I actually think marinewank, to a certain extent, is completely reasonable. They're supposed to be near the best of the best of what humanity can create, fighting for centuries, with a creation process that has an ultra low survival rate and requires a fuckzillion man hours of effort and mountains of resources, they're so rare relative to the size of the setting some places regard them as myths, a single company is supposed to be enough to pacify a whole fucking planet, etc.Going through the insane amount of effort it takes to create, arm, and deploy a space marine just for them to regularly get bodied by a random nob or a pack of cultists with looted bolters is too retarded and unbelievable even for warhammer. That being said I still think they get way too much attention over the other factions, which is something I'm sure we can all agree on.
It helps that most of the factions they're fighting have mostly chaff to throw at them. Orks are big and strong, but retarded and primitive and can't shoot worth a damn. Necrons are tough and have powerful weapons, but 99% of them are just robots following the most basic of programming that can be easily accounted for except when directly controlled by a commander. Cultists and Guardsmen are badly equipped and poorly trained. The only factions that the Space Marines should be performing poorly against are the Eldar (who are far less able to replace their manpower than Marines are and thus can't afford a war of attrition) and the Tau (who instead have a general weakness against Daemons instead).
>>96800740Marinewank wouldn't be nearly as bad if a squad of Aspect Warriors was seen as an even fight for a squad of marines. But instead you get stories where marines supposedly clear out entire craftworlds, or otherwise just punch massively above their weight class for no real reason. Especially when you then go over to the tabletop and marines are only mildly more durable than most infantry.Tau are often the only faction that ever seems to give marines a run for their money because Tau plot armor is even stronger. But it's not as if people think less of marines for not surviving railgun fire from a mile away or stomped on by a titan.
>>96800891Eh, there are still very retarded moments with marines and the Tau (Cato Sicarius and 100 marines somehow managing to occupy a force of 1 million Tau comes to mind).
>>96800740I try not to join in on the tau hate but holy fuck their writing makes marinewank seem fair and unbiased. >"oh dear god, those titans the imperium was talking about are real, theres a 10,000 year old walking mountain of artillery approaching us, basically an atmosphere bound warship, what do we do?">"hmm, lets just blast it with the railgun on this common tank here, magically penetrates all of its shields and armor and one shots it, all done ;)"Fuck you. They're the "hopeless underdogs" who win 90% of their engagements and effortlessly tear through other factions best units like paper. Its a shame because they're conceptually pretty cool and they have tons of nice designs, they just need writers who aren't mentally 14.
>>96800993That was retconned into being a tiger shark squadron that took out the tank tbf
>>96801001*took out the titan
>>96800673>Going through the insane amount of effort it takes to create, arm, and deploy a space marine just for them to regularly get bodied by a random nob or a pack of cultists with looted bolters is too retarded and unbelievable even for warhammer.They should, after some resistance, still get bodied by those things when they engage them in a stand-up fair fight.They don't pacify planets by doing a grinding gigathermopolae against 50 million soldiers. They accomplish it through precision strikes and intel. That's the only way to make it make sense. Unfortunately the books rarely do the work to depict that, and just show Marines doing slugfests in town squares or whatever.
>>96800673You missed the general.
>>96800912It was actually 1,000 marines but still fucking ridiculous.
>>96800673>they're so rare relative to the size of the setting some places regard them as myths.This isn't presented well, mainly because there the face of the setting, and also because the most important wars in the imperium history revolve around them almost exclusively >just for them to regularly get bodied by a random nob or a pack of cultists with looted bolters is too retarded and unbelievable even for warhammer.This doesn't regularly happen, and when it does happen 80% of the time it's off screen in a small blurb shoved in a codex or something
>>96800993>They're the "hopeless underdogs" who win 90% of their engagements and effortlessly tear through other factions best units like paper.Sounds like a microcosm of the imperium honestly.
>>96800993>>96801001Pretty much every Tau vs titan story I've seen is massed railgun fire before eventually someone gets lucky enough to get the killshot. And keep in mind, the fact the Tau have been able to take out multiple titans is already Imperium wank by itself, because it means that even after having their 10,000 year old irreplaceable war machines blasted apart by a squadron of aircraft, they are completely unbothered by this loss and continue to send more knights and titans to fight the Tau anyway, because those losses didn't actually matter to the Imperium at all.
