Previous: >>96803152Hybrid Edition>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Make custom cardshttps://magicseteditor.boards.nethttps://mtg.designhttps://mtgcardsmith.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: What are your thoughts about the potential rule change to Hybrid mana cards and color identity in Commander?
I can't believe that we didn't get the yawgmoth list >>96804115
Post objectively good art
Manamorphose would have to be banned.
>TQHybrid should remain in the color identity of both ends of it, and Twobrid should NEVER be considered to not have an identity. Holy shit man, they need to stop rewriting the rules, they've had control for such a short period of time and it's been a mess.
>>96810118Shit TQ, we talked about it already>>96810158Much better TQ
>>96810158luv her, simple as. I imagine a world where she is monoblack with the old black card frame like in the one you posted.
>>96810166Bad cards dont need to be banned>>96810169>things are so grim that even swordbro makes sense
>>96810158
>TQI've been looking at the hybrid cards available currently and they don't seem that egregious. But I worry that if they go through with the change they'll follow that decision by printing a bunch of new ones that completely fuck the game up.
>>96810202We're a few months from Lorwyn, so they are DEFINITELY planning to print a bunch more to fuck everything up. >>96810187We're in the dark timeline, anon.
>>96810158No such thing.
Figures there'd be a new thread right after I posted my deck. I wanna make this a little more fun for everyone and refill people's hands after I drain them. What are some Wheel of Fortune type effects i could put in? Stuff like Snort, probably gonna put that in.
>>96810118>TQQuick run down on what retarded shit they are up to now?
>>96810194>>96810217>cards with alt bordersAm I the only one who is starting to really hate these? I went out of my way to get them at first but now I am actively trying to remove them from my decks
>>96810230>sol ringLol
>>96810236Considering making hybrid mana an "or" when considering color identity.
>>96810259Except "twobrid" or whatever having no identity at all. Beseech the Queen and Reaper King being allowed in all decks.
>>96810241probably
>>96810174>Shit TQ, we talked about it alreadyNot everyone is around for every thread.
>>96810241I get what you mean, they feel less special when they print them all the time
>>96810174The second quote isn't a TQ, retard.
>WotC seriously took Kinnan off the GC list so that we can, once again, listen to the cope of how this Kinnan deck is totally fair I promise guys I'm not like the last 50 Kinnan decks that said thisIt's honestly amazing how they came out of a legitimately good bracket update then decided they did too good of a job on accident and walked it back.
>>96810284Oh is there new bracket garbage I have to deal with?Man I am like an inch from selling my shit and fucking off.
If the hybrid rule changes it will be followed shortly by the introduction of "tri-brid" mana symbols.
>>96810224Wrong.
>>96810283It functions as one.
>>96810186How do you pilot this?
>>96810300"objective" makes it not a question of opinion but one with objectively wrong answer. TQ's are for discussion. Not for you to ask math questions
>>96810284Anyone who plays Kinnan should be beaten near coma for a few good reasons>broken as absolute shit >s*mic>fucking disgusting art
>>96810158>Post objectively good art
>>96810298NiceHere's another one nobody can argue with
>>96810305You can be pedantic all you want, but you cannot be right.
>alt TQI made sure to get a foil cause I thought it was cute
>>96810312Probably the best prolific artist in the game. He has the most commissions and he is consistently great. Fucking love Kev
>>96810118>: What are your thoughts about the potential rule change to Hybrid mana cards and color identity in Commander?Could someone spell them out for me
>>96810284some people just want double mana without having to work for it
Has EDH gotten worse since Wizards took over?
>>96810358It got significantly worse the moment brackets were introduced. My number of negative interactions has gone up significantly.
>>96810356So every simic deck ever? That is the problem with any deck that has a combination of blue and green. You are just allowed to have it all with minimal effort.
>>96810169I want you to know I hate agreeing with you but you're right.
So a hybrid card in the 99 is allowed if one of it matches you? And a hybrid commander must pick one?? And if it has multiple hybrid pips then ??
>>96810352Instead of AND hybrid would be treated as OR. So you could play a hybrid Orzhov card in any deck that has Black or any deck that has White, it wouldn't have to be a deck with both Black and White.
>>96810281used to be rare and that made then unique, but now every other card has alt arts, border, or full art and instead of one card popping out, everything is a jumbled mess
>>96810358>>96810364The effect brackets have had on my casual games have largely been positive but there is no getting around how poorly setup they areThe first update needed to hit it out of the park and it simply hasn't. If anything this update is really baffling. I imagine if you ask this again in a year's time, the damage will be more apparent.
now legal in every single deck
>>96810358Yes>changed the rules on what makes a commander >changed everything for the worse with brackets>trying to wrench open hybrid mana>game changers is a faulty, innately flawed and impossible system
>Rhystic Study not banned>Gamble is still GCFuck off
>>96810399>So you could play a hybrid Orzhov card in any deck that has Black or any deck that has White, it wouldn't have to be a deck with both Black and White.I kind of like that cause it never made sense to me I couldn't play hybrid izzet in monored. I agree that colorless hybrid is silly to count for everything. Or should count for colorless commanders Unsure how this affects commanders identitu
>>96810414Gamble is a pie break THOUGHEVERMAYBEIT>you discard, so it's redNo, you tutor, which is something red absolutely cannot do.
>>96810284Its really shocking how bad they are at thisIll shittalk sheldon't till the end of time but I respected the hell out of his vision of the format. The longer we go without him, the stranger things will get. RIP you big dumb retard
>>96810427Red has a bunch of tutors, retard
Still waiting for someone to post the hybrid card that's legitimately held back by its identity as a hybrid card. Most of these are old chaff from yesteryear.>b-but muhKeep pearl clutching over nothing.
>>96810427Gamble is a bad card, entomb is same with no downside and is not a GC
>>96810412ok>nownot yet
>>96810427>No, you tutor, which is something red absolutely cannot do.Red always had tutors
>>96810312I never noticed the booba on display here, nice.
>>96810413>game changers is a faulty, innately flawed and impossible systemPoint systems work well in other highlander formats. Frankly b3 is pretty great because of it. Id love to see the gc list grow and maybe b4 should have more points to play with instead of being unlimited like b5.
>>96810230Magus of the Wheel and Reforge the Soul are good budget wheels. Nothing beats the original though.
>>96810432>rules should be changed for no reason
>>96810412Colored Eldrazi were and are a mistake that never should have existed in the first place.
>>968101747/10>>968101866/10>>968101943/10>>968102175/10>>968103497/10>>968104348/10
>>968104574/6
>>96810414Just pay the one, holy shit people. Its just Sphere of Resistance for one more mana that can be ignored if you are about to win
>>96810448I wish Razia wasn't shit so I could run her at the helm of something like this.
>>96810454Oh look another chump who can't find a hybrid card strong enough to justify keeping them the way they are.
>>96810461>asymmetric sphere>feed my enemy the answer when im about to winyou always should pay but asymmetric sphere is backbreaking.
I love this art
>>968104571/90
>>96810476Ban GA4 then too
Behold!An edh deck!
>>96810494That is not an edh deck, it's a commander deck.
>>96810488creature + white + one more mana
>>96810492I bet this was a house in control decks back in the day
>>96810475....does it need to be a matter of power? How about visual consistency? The reason we got the new cycle-fetches was because the Capenna ones didn't have the symbols on them, so they could be run in any deck. Adding the 3 symbols was meant to make it immediately discernable what their color identity was meant to be, so why take something with an easily discerned Color Identity and decide to make one niche rule that you're going to have to explain to others semi-frequently that it's totally not a multi-color card "just because Gavin said so"? The point isn't that any are that strong, it's just that it makes the game muddier and shittier while pretending to make things more accessible.
>>96810504Well RS costs one more than SOR. Things get better as they cost more mana. Same with ga4
>>96810475why even need color identy at all at this point? just fuck it Most cards are old chaff from yesteryear, who cares if they can be added to whatever deck
>>96810497How dare you injure me like that?
would you rather have a rules comitee that is >impotentor>incompetentyou can only have one, but you have the ability to switch a single time via use of "death threats"
>>96810508Visual cohesion for color identity is a pretty weak argument in an era where secret lair cards don't even read as magic cards anymore.
Kamen Rider UB when
>>96810531>Whataboutismconcession accepted
>>96810531>Wotc is making other bad changes for visual consistency>it's fine if they rewrite one of the OG core rules of the entire format to make shit even less consistentNot the win you think it is.
>>96810525I am sorry to hear I have hurt your feelings. If it is any consolation, I like that you included Rain of Thorns in your list.
>>96810541Hopefully soon, mtg only has so much time left
>>96810554>The rule is good because... WELL IT JUST IS BECAUSE ITS BEEN THERE FROM THE BEGINNING!
>>96810556No, you are right. I should change the general.
>>96810572In this case yes because color identity is that important
>>96810572this but unironically. magic 2 era can't come fast enough
>>96810259Why? That just seems stupid.
>>96810541Kamen Rider isn't popular outside of Japan, so I'm skeptical.
>>96810572>color identity badLiterally why are you playing Commander?
>>96810541The West(tm) likes Power Rangers, no one here gives a fuck about or knows what the fuck a Kamen Rider is.
>>96810593>In Magic, hybrid cards are made to be playable by either color. That's how they work in all of Magic: if I have a Kitchen Finks, I can put it in my mono-white deck or my mono-green deck. Commander is a place where it's the opposite: you can't put it in either a mono-white or mono-green deck!From the article.
>>96810572>Commander should be the same as 60 card formats>Commander dies like every 60 card format>we did it Patrick, we saved the city!
>>96810625>that whole quoteAnd that's a good thing!
I am doubling down on the burn
>>96810593Because- devil's advocate- that is literally the reason hybrid mana was created back in Ravnica, so that fewer cards would strictly require certain colours in limited.
>>96810463Why not run an Aurelia, Rem Karolus, Gisela as pictured.>>96810494Based.>>96810497Cringe.
>>96810118>What are your thoughts about the potential rule change to Hybrid mana cards and color identity in Commander?Horrible, horrible idea. The more restrictions on deckbuilding the better. The more the format is how it was originally developed and working for years is better. The less cards designed for the format, the better.
I really like this card, but besides a few combos is there even a reason for it? probably not, but cool either way.
HE IS GONNA GO TO MOON
eheheheheeh yes YES
The hybrid mana thing is just WotC trying to ensure people talk about something that is pretty much a nonissue rather than how shitty Spider-Man was and how shitty TMNT will be.>>96810660
>buy expensive card>feel guilty when using expensive card when it single-handedly wins games
>don't buy expensive card>feel angry whenever someone else using expensive card single-handedly wins the game
R8 my Yuriko, is it bracket 1?
>>96810718That's me when I play Bloodthirsty Conqueror
>>96810118>I can run manamorphose in ralMy cock is rock hard
I have a Grumgully combo deck that plays the (shitty and/or costly) Gruul Persist creatures. Hybrid mana opens up shit like pic related to my card pool.Genuinely excited that my meme deck will get buffed.
Entomb should be a game changer
>double sleeve my deck>feels bulky as fuck and I don't want to use itwhat do
>>96810875Proxy it without using any sleeves and if any spergs throw a shit fit show them the real deck.
>>96810875return it to single sleeve, aside from Chains or Tundra I don't have any double sleeved cards.
>>96810432I wouldn't be surprised if it's just elfball players who want Rhys
>>96810456they were here day 1 nigga
>>96810647hybrid mana was created in Lorwyn...
>>96810432Mono white repeatable extra combats.
>>96810861My scorpion god deck is getting this if the changes go through. I've been seething at the orzhov hybrid cost on it for years.
>>96810875get bigger hands
reminder that red is the best color
>>96810410A bracket fag ruined a game I was going to win and that's enough to make me hate brackets
>>96810931so many wither and -1/-1 cards are hybrid b/something, so it's a pretty big win for him
>Jin-Gitaxias got out of GCFINALLY CAN USE IT ON MY CASUAL GAMES AGAIN YAY
>>96810118Hybrid being allowed in mono would be fine if they made them like they used to, as "this works in either color," but now they're all basically both colors.some colors are better about this than others, honestly looking at all the hybrids, mostly seem fine except for some weird ones from spider man. the split cards are also a bit like this, but they're all stapled to a two color card so it doesn't matter there.the edhrec example specifies shu yun as being potentially problematic, but all the FRF leaders seem fine? "Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, you may pay WW. If you do, target creature gains double strike until end of turn." the only out-of-color one I can say is taisigur in UB returning any card type to hand, and maybe yasova in UG and then only because blue steal effects don't usually give things back.
Design his card.
>>96810954My hands and feet are already big, shit still isn't comfortable
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
Squirrels
>>96810990slap it on a UB full art nameshift of some random artifact removal or something
>>96810662Maybe some way to redirect your own damage to it? Otherwise this probably just helps your opponents more than it helps you.
>>96810118You know, I was concerned about the implications of making 2brid cards essentially colorless but then I actually went and looked at all the 2brid cards and holy fucking shit they posted the literal only one that might see play out of its home color(s).
>>96810302Blink. Ninjitsu. Bounce. The trick is you can get her trigger to go off without shuffling her into the deck as long as she's off the board because it checks for a valid target for that part of the effect as it resolves, and since there is no valid target (because she's not around) she doesnt shuffle.I use in my Satoru deck as a wincon. Ninja her out for a big ETB creature before she shuffles.
>>96811021I think manamorphose and guttural response would see play
>>96810438>not yetYOU ARE SHITTING YOURSELF! GO TO THE BATHROOM!
>>96811024>NinjitsuIsn't Ninjitsu when a creature is attacking, not after the damage calculation step? If she was dealing damage, that would require her to be on the field, and the hit counter and self-tuck are part of the same effect.
>>96810118>be me>have regular friend group of around 6 players who swap in and out>Enter that one guy>specifically targets me>counters my spells while my board is empty and a Prosh is guaranteed next turn>fucks over my combat phases while Prosh is literally going to combo off next turn>loses to ProshWhat to do about a player who consistently plays like a nigger?
>>96811051Those aren't 2-brid.
Refuse to believe the hybrid thing doesn't coincide with the upcoming Lorwyn set. They'll change it around when that comes out so the commander content creator panel can all plug Kitchen Finks and Murderous Redcap into their meme Grumgully deck for youtube clicks.
>>96810931We're gonna be eating good tonight.I think Sythis is a pretty big winner too.
>>96811081You're obviously doing something to make him not like you. It might just be the way you look and carry yourself
>>96810873lots of card should but nooooo
>>96810981can't wait to reanimate him on turn 2
>>96810873coward
>>96810990distributes blaze counters on touch that deal damage to controller (they continue to burn even if he is not on the field)
>>96811097I keep hearing this. I've genuinely, wholeheartedly tried everything beyond punching him and its not like we arent friends we soend time together and do other things besides mtg and all is well. I've also noticed he picks his deck based on which deck I pick which has lightened the load when I refuse to pick first but still doesn't stop his bullshittery
>>96811093Of course it does and it's number one with a bullet on the list of why wotc controlled edh is going to be a shitshow
>>96811149Hes probably just gay for you and resents you for being straight gays are literally mentally unhinged like that.
What's the best tool for creating custom tokens? I want to make some OSRS themed tokens for my token spam deck (pic extremely related)
>>96811118all this talk of "oh all the strong tutors are GCs already" while entomb and buried alive run free is funnymaybe gavin doesn't want to put things on the GC list until 2026 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>96811183include this one as well
>>96810981where is that anon that said only pub stompers play jin-git?
>>96811165Grab a pencil a paper and draw them
>>96811203I refuse to show up to my LGS with Chris Chan tokens
>>96811209you have to drawn on infinitokens(tm), then it is acceptable
>>96811217They're more socially acceptable than crayon drawings, yes.
>>96811227>>96811209Imagine being this mentally ill and irony-poisoned that you genuinely think it's bad form to bring a fucking doodle to represent a token.
>>96811079An attacking creature remains attacking until the end of the combat phase. Her ability goes on the stack during the damage calculation step (i.e. still during combat), so priority happens and you can activate a ninjutsu ability in response to her ability.
>>96811231I sleep in a big bed with my wife
>>96811227Write on tokens are perfectly acceptable, but I think for decks which generally create a kind of token as their gameplan it's nice to prepare the number you need beforehand.You don't have to be michelangelo, P/T, a name and keywords is all you really need.For my Go-Shintai deck I got a set of etsy shrines, since I'll sometimes be making a half dozen in a single turn. Just make sure you've got them ready so you don't leave the table hanging on you because "hold up, Krenko makes goblins, lemme see if I have some here..."
>>96811242Honestly doubt it considering how childish you act
>>96811227>I NEED PEOPLE TO LOVE MENarcissism
>>96811255You're right I'm gonna go to my LGS in an aheago hoodie after having not showered for 3 weeks and bring my crayon tokens and proxies because I'd be a narcissist if I considered how other people perceived me for even a second.
>>96811269>I NEED PEOPLE TO THINK POSITIVE THOUGHTS OF ME
>>96811273Yeah that's how you make friends anon. You show them your best self and consider their feelings.
>>96811281>best selfIf you are acting specific ways solely for their benefit and nothing else then you are wearing a mask. They don't like you. They like a character you pretend to be
>>96811242Who you probably abuse and control
>>96811292>>96811295>1 minute apartSorry I didn't like your crayon drawing anon.
>>96811183>>96811190lol what do I need those for when I can just discard him turn 1 because you get to draw even if you start
>>96811301>he always has it
>>96811269>all of that retarded shit because someone drew a tokenlmao
>>96811321I AM NOT INSECURE
what's the deal with the Toski poster
>>96811332Just a ritual poster. It's one image a thread and I never noticed him until people began crying.He's not nearly as obnoxious as the 30 life guy
>>96810508>so why take something with an easily discerned Color Identity and decide to make one niche rule that you're going to have to explain to others semi-frequently that it's totally not a multi-color card "just because Gavin said so"? I've had to explain to multiple new players that they can't run hybrid cards in the way they were using them due to color identity. It happens with a decent frequency.I need you to understand something. People have an intuitive understanding of how hybrid works, and what its role is in Magic. You would not need to explain to people how hybrid works if you changed the rules. Meanwhile, I have had to explain to multiple people that it doesn't actually work like that because commander treats an "or" as an "and."And the only real justification I can give is "because sheldon said so."
So do I just shove every horror in Captain Niggathrob? Is he just horror beat down?
>>96811342Holy god are you stupid or something?>Format is built entirely on color identity>card is considered both colors>no we should just get rid of thisJUST GO PLAY A DIFFERENTFORMAT WITH YOUR MADE UP STORIES AND YOUR STUPID AUTISM
>>96810118>TQ: What are your thoughts about the potential rule change to Hybrid mana cards and color identity in Commander?It's simple. You write the rule to say something to the effect of: a hybrid mana symbol is treated as one or more of the colors in the symbol for the purpose of color identity.Congrats. You've managed to make hybrid work correctly while also keeping the non-menace that is twobrids from going off the rails, since colorless is not a color and therefore could not be chosen.
>>96811342>>96810475>>96810432Trying to remove Color Identity is the same level as trying to remove the natural Singleton element or remove needing a Commander at all. You do not understand this format, you are new to this game or actively trying to destroy it. I do not know if you're a bad actor or simply retarded.
Thoughts on my warrior token?
>>96811095Casting this with Enchanted Evening creates an infinite loop, right?
The scene bundle version of Noctis looks fun
>>96810158>the transparent effect on the feathers>the use of foreground and background>the light bouncing off the helmetsi love it all
>>96811371stats? color?
>>96811371Pretty good, you need to settle on a color for his eyes
>>968113905/0 green blueGains +0/1 for every boyfriend free girl in the room
>>96811371>UMMM YOU ARE LITERALLY CHRIS CHAN!!!You are a very mature person who I am sure people love.
>>96811371
>>96811380yeah but there's no way to stop the loop without a third card to blow up one or the other so it would result in a game loss.
>>96810118I am confused what these images mean?
>>96811389I know Dragons Maze was a dogwater set but the art is so good. Comparing Dragons Maze art to nu-ravnica art is depressing.
>>96811410The end of days...
>>96811380Yeah, it does.
>>96811413Some of the art is ok
>>96811380Many such cases
>>96811423Using Rakdos art is cheating. All the Rakdos cards have the best art.
>>96811423>That one sicko in the hood who's enjoying itbased
>>96811423Why is there a soijack in this image?
>>96811365No one wants to remove color identity. I, at most, want to change how it interacts with hybrid mana specifically. I think it doesn't actually cause any damage to the format, either in terms of thematic resonance or game balance. It's a restriction that does nothing to increase creativity in deckbuilding. Not that this matters. Creativity in the format is dead.>You do not understand this formatI have been playing it longer than you. I promise you.>you are new to this gameI have been playing since 5th edition.>actively trying to destroy it.I'm not currently employed by Wizards of the Coast, so that can't be it.>I do not know if you're a bad actor or simply retarded.I'm simply sharing my experiences. I interact with a lot of new players.>>96811361There is no need to be defensive. I am simply telling you what I've dealt with. There is no need to have a meltdown over it.
>>96811423>a random obese negress suddenly in ravnica Idk whos gayer, me for not being able to let this kind of thing go or them for constantly doing it
>>96811456Oh it is objectively you.
>>96811456
>>96811467wait I thought you already won?
>>96811469wotc is one of the last few holdouts
>>96811441>I think it doesn't actually cause any damage to the formatExcept that it allows for further muddying of the waters and gives tools to mono colored decks they otherwise wouldn't have due to the color pieFor the most part hybrid cards are pretty safe, kitchen finks fir example is both pretty white and pretty green, but it opens design space to break color identity in the future ESPECIALLY because both lorwyn and fractured anus are coming out this year. You would be insane to advocate for this change until the dust settles from these two sets. Ya knowUnless you didnt care and just wanted to move packs.
>>96811462Well good thing its worse to be homophobic than gay these days because I dont intend to stop
>>96811361>>Format is built entirely on color identityIt wasn't thought, it existed for some time before one of the fags at their table wanted to run Memnarch.
>>96811483To be fair if they're going to push cards for commander, changing the hybrid rule actually is healthier for the game, since it means they have to justify an effect as hybrid instead of just breaking the color pie to include it in colors it doesn't belong.Judge's Familiar for example is Azorius, but sac to counter creatures are common in blue and compared to white, it's just a cheaper Aven Interrupter.I only agree with the other anon that things like Ulalek suggest it can't be a full blown free for all.
>not a game changer
>>96811523>blocks your path
>>96811502it was built on color identity but they started bending what color identity meant when someone wanted to play Memnarch
>>96811483>Except that it allows for further muddying of the waters and gives tools to mono colored decks they otherwise wouldn't have due to the color pieWe're going to touch on two things here.First, if the color pie was sacred to you, you would have Beast Within, Pongify and Chaos Warp banned. One of those is a format staple.Secondly, your example posted is Judge's familiar. I'm assuming your reasoning for this is "it's gives white a counterspell." Which is correct. It's mana tithe on a body. However, if you've actually listened to the designers of Magic talk about the color pie, White is 2nd in counterspells within it being in color pie. The fact that few of them get printed doesn't mean that it's not within the color pie.Third, fuck's sake anon. If you're looking for a blue/white color pie breaking hybrid, it's augury adept. And, oh no, blue got a tiny bit of lifegain. The horrors.>but it opens design space to break color identity in the future ESPECIALLY because both lorwyn and fractured anus are coming out this year. You would be insane to advocate for this change until the dust settles from these two sets. There will always be more Magic the Gathering sets coming out, Anon. Once Lorwyn and Fracture passes, you'll find another thing to hem and haw about. "There's going to be a Ravanica set in three years. Shouldn't we wait for the dust to settle on that.">Unless you didnt care and just wanted to move packs.I promise you that hybrids being slightly more playable in commander will not actually meaningfully move that many packs.
>>96811512>they have to justify an effect as hybrid instead of just breaking the color pie to include it in colors it doesn't belong.lolandlmao
>>96811552I mean they can always choose to do it wrong, but preventing them from doing it more correctly isn't going to stop them from fucking up the color pie.This opens the space for it, and if it fucks things up it's not permanent either.
The people whining about hybrid mana being included someday would get over it. Just like they did when WOTC sunset commander for bracket-commander.
>>96811550Yes the color pie is somewhat fluid thanks for that wall of textColor identity has not shit the bed yet, you can have a few choas warps, pongifys or harmonizes without ruining the concept entirely. Why add more for the sake of it though?>always more setsYes but not sets that will either explicitly introduce more hybrid cards or later in the year an explicit color bending set.>wont move packsThats yet to be seen but wotc can make it happen
>>96811550I wouldn't it put it past them to throw a few pushed hybrid designed-for-commander legends into Lorwyn in anticipation of the rule change. Just like they blatantly had the Vehicle/Spaceship rule change in mind when designing EOE.
>>96811589Oh yeah I forgot about that Ok what about countering active abilities?
>>96811584>bracket commanderWas your deck a "7" retard?
>>96811610Oh nvm this still is az in color id
>>96811589it is both a blue and a white effect. they colorshifted force spike back in the day after all.>>96811610technically blue or green. that's the blue activated ability though, so the guildmages and deathrite would never be allowed in mono.
>>96811613yeah, just like every deck is a 3 now
>>96811584Brackets still suck but I try not to be too critical of anything still in bet
>>96811622>just like every deck is a 3 nowsorry but i don't have any gamechangers in my deck
>>96811625Gavin cited DRS specifically as an example of a hybrid card that wouldn't be allowed in monocolored decks because it has two different color pips in its text box.
>>96811613>IS THAT A HECKIN GAME CHANGER?!?!?!?
>>96811632This isn't required to get bracket 3. Also numerous commanders cannot even be used anymore.Did you really think every augustin deck was some cedh shit?
>>96811634you missed the last thread where people were crying that yuriko wasn't a gc anymore
>>96811644No legendary creature should be.
>>96811643>This isn't required to get bracket 3but it is a requirement to be in bracket 2, you utter brainletwhy would i sweat it out in bracket 3 when i can just meet the minimum and win more in a lower bracket
>>96811648What an odd thing to say.
>>96811634Is this the self report? "How am I going to win if I can't have more than 3 cards from a limited list?"To answer braindead slop with braindead slop if you're nothing without the cards you shouldn't have em.I don't think I have any decks with 3 GCs in them, including my Go-Shintai deck, which after some tweaks might start hitting a solid 4.
>>96811648you're right, we should bring back banned as commander and just sidestep the whole issue
all superfriends decks are by definition bracket 2if you can't kill a walker that's telegraphing itself to have its counters doubled next turn, you just suck
>>96811660>YOU WILL USE MY BADLY DESIGNED SYSTEM GOD DAMN IT!!!Lolno. Enjoy your fucking weenie hut junior arbitrary shit.
>>96811663I'm sorry you can't handle weenie hut junior; maybe super weenie hut junior is more your speed.
>>96811236Huh, that makes sense actuallyI never knew you could Ninjitsu shit outside of declaring attackers, might have to build a deck for it nowSick tech
>>96811662Arent doubling season and chain veil extremely abusable?
>>96811673...you have to wait until blockers are declared for it to work already
>>96811676>still using chain veil
>>96811610Azorius Guildmage would still require you to be running both white AND blue since its activated abilities are not hybrid symbols but whole mana symbols.That said, even in Ravinca limited, Azorius guildmage did not give white the ability to counter active abilities. If you draft had somehow gone sideways and you were running a green/white deck in a set that did not support green/white, you could still throw an azorius guildmage in. it's that the second ability would be largely unusable.
>need a playmat>everyone wants $30 or more for what is basically some cloth with paddingThe fuck is this shit? Why is an item that's $5 in materials so ludicrously expensive?
>>96811682>hes never played against mono blue teferriThe chain veil is way stronger
>>96811686so make it yourself
>>96811676doubling season sucks when you need to ult RIGHT NOW
>>96811686I just bought some desk mats from a 5 below and use them as playmats.
>>96811686Are you not from the US? I can find one for like 10 dollars.
>>96811686Ssg regularly puts their creature collection on sale for 3 bucks a pieceUltra pro just finished a sale that had decent ones for tenWait till black friday
>>96811698Yeah I just went to TCG player and looked in playmats and there's a solid 10+ pages of playmats under 15 dollars. Clearly you didn't look too hard.
>>96811547You mean it was built on color (property), but they invented color identity (characteristic).
SLD foil is under $2 right now, think I'm gonna try to snag a few along with some copies of Beseech the Queen. What are some other hybrid cards that will be worth getting? Seems green and white ones will probably end up helping their respective decks the most.
>>96811706hm yes that is a more accurate statement
>>96811694if you just want to copy the untap there are way cheaper optionsand if you want to ult immediately there are also better options that also don't happen to be a 4 mana do nothing if you don't have it assembled
>>96811713Be that as it may, it still isnt instantly bracket 2
>>96811716well if you put GCs in it ofc it won't bebut you shouldn't imo, because walkers aren't good enough to hang in bracket 3at the end of the day they are still vulnerable and you won't always have the wrath
>>96811727I mean if my intent with my GCs isn't bracket 3 then it is bracket 2
>>96811732bracket 2 explicitly says no gamechangers>expectations are different from the big red NO
anyone who plays Prismatic Bridge as their commander is a FAGGOT
>>96811695At these prices I may as well. It's literally just fabric with rubber glued to it with a 500% markup slapped on.
>>96811738That's not what Gavin said before. But I get this is arbitrary with no real rules to it.
>>96811738Bracket two is legitimately the ideal way to play commander and you're a lame ass nigga if you disagree
>>96811749There is no reason to make your own deck for bracket 2.
>>96811747you're confusing gavin's stance on "no mass land denial">there's nuance, because liliana dreadhorde general is somehow the same as armageddon?and the idea behind game changers, it's pretty clear cut>it's either you have them or you don't>if you have at least 1, you're b3+>if you don't have any, you can play at b3+>but to be b2, you must have 0 GCs
>>96811757There's no confusion. We had long discussions of this before. Also this thread has argued that a deck that does not have bracket 3 stuff in it can still be considered a higher bracket based on player intent. So is this not true now?
I love angle shooting brackets
>>96811227People are mostly just going to find them endearing anon
>>96811741>literally brewing a Bridge deck right nowWhat makes you hate it so much?
>>96811752What an odd thing to say
>>96811761>a mono black knights deck from fallen empires is a legacy deck>will never beat a standard deck btw due to powercreep>but somehow a standard deck is legit for legacy but said knights deck can't join standard even though it's "legacy"obv not all decks are the same, you can create a legacy deck that can be pubstomped to oblivion by a standard deck in 60 card land, does that invalidate the idea that legacy is a higher power format?but ofc nobody realizes the fact that brackets are just formats in practice and people like (You) that don't get this just out themselves as newfags
>>96811749>at least 8 turns before anyone losesI love green midrange hell!!!!!!
>>96811762>muh angle shootingi'm just technically correct
>>96811741>he didn't get the cool art
>>96811772relax, gavin allows voltron to kill the ramp playergod forbid that archetype gets nerfed any further
>>96811781Gay Bolas' proportions are just too retarded sorry
>>96811778technically correct is only impressive in competitive formats.
>>96811761>Also this thread has argued that a deck that does not have bracket 3 stuff in it can still be considered a higher bracket based on player intent.nobody's stopping you from bringing your oops all number 4's deck to cedh btwit's decks "moving down in weight" that needs to watched out for, and no GCs in b2 help with that
>>96811789That's how he always looks
>>96811790reminder that it doesn't take two to tango for something to be competitiveyou can always concede to me in commander fnm btw, it's not "competitive" anyway
Hybrid mana by itself is kinda whatever at least in its current state. Colorless cards not withstanding. The thing I hate the most about it is how it reminds me that the RC folded so quickly to pressure. There's no chance in my mind that wotc wasn't pressuring them to gain control of the format. It was such a sad day. It was the day I stopped buying cards.
>>96811801this is what you sound like to me:>>96811800
>>96811781>the prismatic bulgeNaw that art sucks
>>96811795No shit. It just looks extra retarded in that prismatic bridge art.
>>96811805i wasn't the anon crying over diabolic tutor last thread btw>>96807621
Reminder that tutors are, in effect, extra copies of the same card.This is supposed to be a singleton format. Tutors are fundamentally against the design ideas.Ban all cards with the words "search your library." yes, even the things that find lands
>>96811800I'd probably agree with this if it wasn't written in a way that is obviously poisoning the well
>>96811795>always
>>96811816cry more
>>96811823This might be the dumbest post in the thread which is shocking considering the post you are replying to
>>96811332
>>96810118Can somebody please give me the tldr of the new updates? I am trapped in the wagecage and don't have tine to read the article
>Crop Rotation still a game changerThe fuck
>>96811483White should have just as much Counterspelling as Blue does. Opening up the color pie to mechanics all colors should've had from the start of the game would only be a good thing.
>>96811801If your intention is to be competitive then congrats. You are at least bracket 4.
>>96811820Same energy
>>96811967THOU SHALL NOT QUESTION THE GAME CHANGERS. EVERYTHING ON IT DESERVES TO BE ON IT AND EVERYTHING NOT ON IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE. YOU WILL NOT QUESTION!
>>96811980>why are you so competitive man?>no i'm not going to concede to you and give you your meaningless win!every time lol
>>96811986there is no such thing as game changersyou will let me play in your pod and you will like it
>>96811778>bracket fag sits down and joins>never mentions brackets>time passes>game is near over>I cast worldfire from suspend to go for the win>bracket fag melts down, says that is MLD and not bracket 2>tries to get me DQ'd or some shit>everyone is confused since no one ever mentioned brackets>everyone leaves after because shit is uncomfortable nowI don't think this is correct
>>96811997>random pod peasantlol
>>96811816Correct but you're in a thread of no-friends LGS pod games only shitters. You won't find any allies for good game design here.
>>96811998>I cast worldfire from suspend to go for the win>the mld is irrelevant since you're winning anyway and not stalling the game like a fagyes as gavin admits there is nuanceyou are indeed correct and the bracketfag strawman you've created is wrong
>>96812002ironically it's casuals that look for random pods, cedh people all have their ownbut if there are no game changers you're not going to refuse rogsi, right? kek
>>96811967But muh FotD, muh Glacial Chasm, muh Maze of Ith, muh Strip Mine. It's basically all of those cards in one chud.
>>96812019>doesn't mention cradlea coincidence i'm sure
I genuinely don't understand why they thought it was a good idea to cater to the demographic of players that say "My Kinnan/Yuriko deck is a 7 I promise guys pleasepleaseplease let me play it."I don't know what they were snorting. Even people that were asking for cards removed from the GC list weren't asking for fucking Kinnan of all cards to be removed from it on the basis of "well if they whine and downplay it hard enough it's okay."This is genuinely a complete regression of what made the bracket system useful. All the hope I had for the format has now vanished because I completely expect we're going to see a return to the impotent RC of the past where they absolutely refuse to GC anything out of low-power play and tell players to rule 0 despite it not working in public games and any format rules being pointless in a private group where you can just ignore and invent as many rules as you want.Good job new RC. You look like picrel again.
>>96812039i completely get your point anon and i wish they did show more clarity in the form of hard linesbut alas, look at this specimen of physiognomy
>>96812029Cradle is mid, just a bunch of mana whereas those more directly control/win games. I was being facetious anyway, Crop Rotation as a gamechanger should be ridiculed along with their fearmongering stance on MLD. Plus cradle has like 3 lesser but still functional reprints.
>>96810158much more evocative than the other terminates in terms of how I assume the rest of my opponents creatures start feeling once the first kill spell flies
>>96812039Those people buy cards
>>96812061mld is a separate issue that i agree with you on but crop rot is at the end of the day a great tutor and you not being to pubstomp with a green deck (oh the horror) in bracket 2 isn't the end of the world lol
>>96812076>Those people buy cards>yes the same people who want rhystic bannedlmao
>>96812077I Should pick up a few growing rites desu. Circle of Dreams Druid is underrated imo. I think the spacecraft one is the weakest.>>96812081Strong ramp and MLD are two sides of the same coin.
>>96812091"My Kinnan/Yuriko deck is a 7" people are all running rhystic retard.
>>96812081Crop Rotation is only great when it can get you at least two lands that are already game changers on their own.
Do you pay the 2?
>>96812109No, because I admire the balls it takes to play this card.
>>96812124based, next are you going to take one for the other two players?
>>96812008>strawmanDamn bracket fags are so annoying they act like strawmen
I told y'all niggaz this shit would get a Secret Lair. You now know it is imminent.I was right about K-slopI was right about hybrid manaI will be right about wishesHasbro's future is laid before me like the pages of a book. Only a fool would ignore my foresight.
>>96812151what will be unbanned/turned into GCs in 2026?
>>96812151Tell me when to sell the top
>>96812162Unbanned:>Griselbrand (GC)>Iona Shield of Emeria (GC)>Dockside ExtortionistOff Game Changer>Biorhythm>Panoptic MirrorOn Game Changer>Vivi>some new bullshit that has yet to be printed
>>96812164People in these fucking threads were telling me that if it were to happen it would be 2 to 3 years out due to print schedules.Go fuck yourself. It will be the first SL run of next year.
>>96812189>People in these fucking threads were telling me that if it were to happen it would be 2 to 3 years out due to print schedules.Now you're just making shit up because that doesn't apply to Secret Lairs
>>96810917It was first used in Ravnica.
Not only should Crop Rotation be removed from the GC list, but they need to remove Glacial Chasm too.
>>96812151Maybe in a year. Do you people think these things are designed and contracts signed and art made and approved in like a month?
>>96812189The image you posted does not mention MTG btw. So, you don't seem to have evidence that you are right.
Thinking about getting into edh, and was considering buying the starter precon decks, The dimir gisa and geralf one looks really cool. Any suggestions, recommendations, or precons to avoid?
>>96811602I completely forgot all the old legendary vehicles were made into commanders. Pity so many of them are limited to colorless, they could actually be pretty fun build around cards.
>>96812180Biorhythm isnt even unbanned yet you larping autist lol
>>96812233Starter precons are garbage
>>96811602They already did.
>>96812279Spider-Woman is just a blind obedience on a stick and tapping is a very blue thing anyway
>>96812193Sorry I don't take screenshots of everyone who disagrees with me like a schizophrenic>>96812197>an 3rd party source quoting someone anonymous sad vaguely at one time Hasbro execs considered a K-pop set, months before K-pop Demon Hunters even aired, so you don't get points for predicting a K-Pop Demon Hunters Secret Lair!!!Incorrect actually>>96812213Yes actually, working in IP law these things can be arranged in a matter of weeks, the only limitation is how motivated the parties are.You look like a real idiot considering this is literally the year where Lorwyn got pushed back last minute for there to be an Avatar set instead. There things do not take a year.>>96812218Behold the doubting Thomas. I shall screenshot this one so anons can't gaslight me about no one telling me it wouldn't happen.
>>96812277Care to elaborate? I'm not looking for cedh levels of play. I don't want a game that ends on turn 3. I looked over the deck lists, and I didn't see anything that was so terrible that it would make the decks unplayable.
>>96812268It will be, and it shall change no games
>>96812310>"I-I'm not making things up! No I can't prove my assertion and you asking me to makes you a schizo! I'M NOT ASSMAD!"
>>96812316This is your last (You) as time itself shall disprove you on my behalf.
>>96812318ok little buddy, whatever you say
>>96812313They're weaker than your average precon despite going for 35+ making it a shitty value. Having a better precon isn't going to end things on turn 3 but if you're going to play in bracket 2 or whatever, you may as well not have a shittier deck.You can also buy the singles for these decks for less than the decks sell for.If you want a zombie deck then it is your best bet at the price point I guess. There's just better stuff out there. And Aetherdrift had a better zombie commander deck and is only like 12 dollars more on tcgplayerAnd no one said the decks were unplayable. But I consider "weaker than average despite same price point as far better precons" to be not worth it.
>>96812340>Having a better precon isn't going to end things on turn 3TURN 1 HARDENED SCALESTURN 2 WALKING BALLISTATURN 3 GATTA AND LUZZUSHAKE MY HAND.
>>96812340I see. I know that singles are usually the way to go, but by the availability of specific cards is a bit crap in my area, and by the time I add on shipping, the precons actually work out cheaper. I did see the aetherdrift zombie deck too, but I preferred gisa and geralf's graveyard recursion ability. What, in your opinion, makes the precon starter decks so much weaker? I know that mana bases are kind of average, but they are all two colour decks, so I didn't think it mattered too much. I also saw that the grave danger precon had almost an identical deck list as the undead unleashed one from midnight hunt but only cost a fraction of the price (the undead unleashed precon is seriously overpriced. I've seen people asking $50-100 dollars for it).
>>96810158Which deck can I play this in?
>>96812377
Make things consistent and ban crypt ghast from mono black decks
>>96812233>The dimir gisa and geralf one looks really cool.It's not "strong" by modern standards of course but it's pretty good if you just like the idea of making a billion zombies
>>96812279These all kind of suck
>angleshootingnogames buzzword
>>96812416UMMMM JUDGE!? HE SAID "BORBORYGMOS" NOT "BORBORYGMOS ENRAGED" SO HIS PITHING NEEDLE DOESN'T WORK
>>96812405Billions of zombies and graveyard recursion were what drew me to the deck. It also has cards like gray merchant in it for some seriously cheeky shenanigans.
>Player at table playing Marchesa, the Black Rose>I have the highest life total and his board is lethal damage if he attacks>I start doing the gay politics thing where I tell him it's not in his best interest to attack me>He tries to hastily skip to his combat step and full swing at me>I tell him to back up because I have a response and he skipped multiple steps, beginning of combat I cast Cryptic Command to tap all his creatures and draw a card>He angrily casts Sink Into Stupor>I look at him bewildered because I have like 20 mana open so I can very obviously just cast it again>I cast it again and he scoops in rage>Game 2>I'm playing a voltron deck>Go to swing in on another player>He third parties me with Maze of Ith and smugly declares I'm not going to get to attack the rest of the game>I cast Wear // Tear blowing up his two draw engines (Staff of the Storyteller and Enduring Innocence post-recursion)>(I unironically assessed this as the correct decision because I had to dig for my land removal or another protection source, and wanted to make it harder for him to draw a response)>He scoops instantly and leavesReddit AITA here for not letting him goldfish?
>>96812151I'm glad UB is triggering you people so hard.
Manual storm decks are so much fun to play, but i almost never play my Urabrask out of courteousness for my opponents.
>named Enchantress >cannot be enchanted
>>96812449She's teaching you about the mechanic of how if an aura is cheated into play without being cast, it can attach to her because it doesn't target.
>>96812449blocks you're path
>>96812453i-is that a hybrid mana symbol? the color pie is broken. I'm going insane.
>>96812397Consistent with what?
>>96812467As we know, flickering creatures and flying is exclusive to azorius. That type of effect can't fit in monoU or monoW.
>>96812469Hybrid mana symbols
>>96812445>making other people angry is the height of comedy to me!Broken home.
>>96812397I don't see any issues.
Ban "any color" cards from decks with fewer than 5 colors.
>>96812489this but unironically.
Ban Island
Ban non-creature spellsthis is a timmy game
>>96812446Fuck your opponents, not your job to make sure they have fun>t. Ral player
>>96812504EXCELLENT post
Ban every card that has made me mad at some point and all the cards that enabled them... but unironically.
>>96812509SO true
>>96812558Ban this anon
>>96811749Either bracket 2 or bracket 3. I do like to do things in the long run, but with how explosives starts can be, you oftentimes don't even get to play your first boardwipe before it's too late. That said, I hate that MLD is supposedly reserved for higher tiers. As if green land ramp isn't already really good in all tiers.
>>96812446Storm is just so boring. I wanted to build Eruth Tormented Prophet because thematically I loved the idea of foreseeing catastrophe and building a sovlfvll deck around that theme. Then I look into building her, aaaaand it's just storm. Everything is storm. Draw card, play card that draw more card, repeat, play storm card, win. So fucking booooooring.I discovered that the commander that actually fit the theme of foreseeing disaster the best was pic related. I'm brewing a big mana deck with her right now and really looking forward to playing it.Of all the color pairs I think izzet is the most straitjacketed pigeonholed bullshit.>blue means thinkin' about stuff>red means not thinkin' about stuff>put em together and it means thinkin' about lots of stuff really quickly!!!I fucking hate it. It's just insants tribal, and MAYBE artifacts as a subtheme.There could be so much more to izzet, it could actually lend itself to building a board state that's more than just pay offs for playing instants. Other than esper, as a color identity it has the most justification for creating game warps, and it's just not something WotC have ever bothered exploring
Post your irl decks, this thread sucks
>>96812595Faerie Artisans is an astonishingly fun card after I used it last week
My 4th keeps flaking so I'm buying this old Xenagos event deck to fill his spot so we can have 4 players.
What the fuck does "no two card combos before turn 6" even mean for brackets? Does it just mean that I have to pinky swear I won't do the combo before turn 6?
>>96812595No
>you can remove all UB cards on Scryfall with -is:universesbeyondThanks Scryfall
>>96812666I always try to filter for is:ub before I include a card that way it elicits the most negative response possible.
>Hybrid mana legalYEEESSSSSSSYEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSKILL EVERY FUCKING FORMAT WOTCDESTROY LITERALLY EVERYTHING THAT MAKES EVERY FORMAT INTERESTINGMURDER IT ALLFUCKING ANNIHILATE THE ENTIRE DAMN GAMEYEEESSSS
>>96812666"ub" is a functional replacement-is:ub works perfectly if you want to save keystrokes. It's easily my most frequently used search term.
>>96812650>je suis un cochon et je mange de la bouillie.
>>96812615They still sell those? You know, I'm sort of surprised they haven't done more of this kind of thing for this format. Even just for the novelty.
>>96812742I don't speak Mexican
>>96812613>chainsThere's cards I want to play but don't know where to put them.
>>96812735>Unban KinnanAh yes another healthy change for the format>Consider hybrid manaAIEEE THIS WILL KILL THE GAME NOW THAT THE 2C DECK CAN ACCESS SOME OF MY 5C GOODSLOP CARDS THAT FIT THEIR COLOR PIE!!!
>>96812775>blue decks should be able to run the black counterspell because it fits their color pienigger the point is that those cards are multicolor, Hybrid mana was so that you could cast it easier, not change what COLOR THE CARD IS.
>>96812783There's some faggot in these threads who just gets off on being a contrarian. You're probably arguing with the unironic "scrimblo brimblo" guy right nowHe doesn't actually have opinions. He comes from a broken home where the only way to get attention was to act up, so now he sits on 4chan and takes contrarian stances on shit because it's thrilling to him.
>>96812783Do you know what hybrid mana is or are you pretending to be retarded?
>>96812783>This card can be cast with GR, GG, or RR because this card fits both green and red>Okay I will pay RR for it>UHM, NO ACTUALLY YOU NEED TO PAY GR FOR IT OTHERWISE YOU'RE LITERALLY RUINING THE GAME!!!
>>96811795> he
>>96812813That's not what he's saying.He's saying you shouldn't be allowed to run a fucking GR card in a monored or even fucking jeskai deck because the card was designed to be gruul in effect and not fucking monored
>>96812838But Gavin said that the point of hybrid cards is that you can use them in either color.
>>96812838>The card was designed to be GRThen why can you cast it with RR?
>>96812850WotC is not nor has it ever been the authority on what is good for this game>planeswalkers as commanders>FIRE design>Nadu>ViviNeed I fucking go on? I know you get some kind of rush from saying retarded shit online to see if people can corner you on how retarded what you said is, but you reduce the quality of posts ITT which is already low enoughGo to reddit if you want (You)s for saying stupid shit
>>96812859Vivi is still legal.
>>96812858Because putting two or more colored pips into a cards cast cost is considered more restrictive than it being 1 color + generic. That is why multicolor cards often make good commanders, because they do more than a monocolor card of the same mana value.Hybrid mana was a way to make a card multicolored without it being more difficult to cast than a monocolored card.
>>96812859You said that the card was designed to be gruul. Gavin said that it's designed to be either color. He is the designer so he is correct.Whether or not you think it is good design or if it is good for commander is a separate topic.
>>96812868>You said that the card was designed to be gruul. Gavin said that it's designed to be either color. He is the designer so he is correct.Absolutely not correct.
>>96812867So you're saying in a situation I tap 2 mountains for red mana to cast a spell, it's actually gruul because... you said so?
>>96812873It doesn't become gruul, it was gruul from the moment they printed an effect appropriate for gruul and put the gruul colors on it.
>>96812055Theres nothing wrong with being bald, anon. It can happen to anyone. Do ypu harass your playgroup for being hair defficient? No of course not. Its not ok to bully bald people.Me? No of course I have so much hair sometimes I wish I were bald
>>96812877Okay so hybrid mana exists only to make a card harder to cast than a monocolored s- ACK!
>>96812803Classic poopdickschizo post.
>>96812883>Okay so hybrid mana exists only to make a card harder to cast than a monocoloredLiteral inverse of what I said. Try again.
>>96812888Normal person:>This card can be cast with mana of either color>Therefore it fits in decks of either color!You:>Well actually it's supposed to represent both colors put together and shouldn't be run without access to both despite only requiring one!>This change will literally kill commander!>They only did it because they didn't want to put generic mana in the cost and this was a compromise!>The designers were wrong when they explained the design behind the cards!>No NO please ignore Extort! This mechanic was a mistake that ruins every game I play in!>STOP MAKING FUN OF ME!!! I NEVER SAID THAT!!!
>>96812586Consider a goad + theft deck if you want a weird Izzet build.
>>96812489>he lost to sen tripletsEcks dee
All you had to say was "restrictions breed creativity" instead of tying yourself up in knots to explain why it's definitely gruul and not just either color.
>>96812868Gavin made eminence btw
>>96812901>EY MA! I POSTED IT AGAIN!
>>96812907Theft is tranny stratsI've put some goad into the Neera deck just for a light touch of chaos without wheeling or polymorphing
>>96812881Who cares about him balding, it's gavin crossing his legs like a faggot that's more concerning
All you had to do was overcome your adverse childhood experience to develop into an adult capable of engaging in honest discussion rather than ragebaiting just to feel noticed
>>96812922Didn't he also make Companions or was that a Rosewater original?
>>96812859WotC goes to far with some FIRE design decisions, but it feels like practically no one wants to draw the logical conclusion of "EDH needs more bans to be a healthy format" from that. Games just end quicker and quicker which just doesn't work with a high variance format. Meanwhile it took the RC years to ban some of the fast mana that enable those fast games. Now we have WotC run the ban list who has a vested interest in banning as few cards as possible. On the bright side, you can now just agree to play bracket 1-3 to avoid some of the FIRE cards.
>>96812930Companion is mark rosewater's creation
>>96812926Nah theft is based. I love seeing retards seethe.
>>96812933Because for some reason Commander players are retarded and want as many cards legal as possible, no matter how much damage they do, because of some theoretical scenario they're played in the shittiest deck ever.>No you don't understand! Dockside Extortionist was needed for my goblin pirate theme deck! What do you mean it was just cEDH Malcolm/Kediss? It was thematic because I was running Ragavan!
>>96812933I dont want wotc to ban cards and i want to see more unbans, but at the same time i do want more GCs, because currently the only thing separating a b2 and a b3 is average speed and number of GCs and it's best to separate the two more
>>96812954Bracket 1 implies a lot of trust which ofc is untenable when playing with randosReally the only practical brackets that you can run an fnm with are 2 3 and 5
>>96812929Then they would not be here
>>96812953How long have you been on HRT?
>>96812953I said it was for trannies! that means you have to dislike it!
>>96812998You don't have to dislike theft, and you don't have to dislike trannies, but I will immediately know what sort of person you are if you don't and think less of you for it
>people get mad if you play stax or controlBut I like those things...
>>96810284>It's honestly amazing how they came out of a legitimately good bracket update then decided they did too good of a job on accident and walked it back.My thoughts exactly. The ONE GOOD IDEA they managed to have in the whole history of wotc trying to do things for commander and they're actively trying to sabotage it.
>>96813070Then go play a competitive formatThis is a format where people spent a chunk of time and money building a deck to go play a casual game and have fun, often with a limited amount of time each week to play. They don't want to play with the guy who sits there and says>sorry, that deck you built? It actually doesn't do anything today and you are about to waste the next 40 mins of your life
>>96813088>Only I get to play the decks I like
>>96810593Because a) they want to sell more cards to more peopleb) maro has been on record as disagreeing with the old CRC about hybrid mana, but back then wotc didn't own the formatit will move from "we want to hear what you think" to "our data that you aren't allowed to see indicates players want this" in time for lorwyn commander product, mark my words.
>>96810529Impotent. We never needed an rc
>>96813091>the irony of the stax player crying that he's not being allowed to playel em ay oh
>>96810529IncompetentEven if they make bad decisions, they almost never made any decision and that's the ideal
>>96810529I swallow both pills and go back to the RC we already had
>>96813099It's ok, anon. I think less of you as a person.
>>96813106Did that sound devastating in your head?
>>96810529Impotent
>>96813106And I don't think of you as one
>>96812994Never, but here's your Blightsteel back.
>>96813111zamn
>>96810413I'll argue just a little, but they were already printing cards with>this card (which is not a Legendary Creature) can be your commandera long time ago, and I hated it back then too.>>96810660depicting yourself as the chad is gay, same as OP cannot inb4, but you are correct and I would buy you a pint down the pub if you said those exact words to me.
>>96813112>NYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THEFT IS ONLY AS BAD AS WHAT YOU CHOSE TO PUT IN YOUR DECK!No, I don't want your grubby oversized man hands touching my cards. I bought them for me to play with, not for you to play with.If I'm playing a fucking bracket 1 deck, I still don't want you touching my fucking cards.
>>96813088>his whole deck falters to Aven Mindcenser, Vexing Bauble or Rule of LawShiggy diggy play removal dumb piggy.
>>96813128what's your wincon?
>>96813127You can crash out all you want, but it's moving to my side of the field and there is nothing you can do about it.Like I said, I enjoy seeing retards seethe.
>>96813142>Like I said,>>96812477>>making other people angry is the height of comedy to me!>Broken home.
>>96813153Most people don't actively get angry over theft.But retards doing so are the funniest.
>>96813161>an official statement from WOTC was they were wanting to expand both into Korean and female markets and that a kpop SL was down the lineMan you're so full of shit. It was the CEO saying they wanted to expand the female playerbase and had CONSIDERED K-pop and "romantasy"Considering the fucking audience for K-pop Demon Hunters is anime waifu weebs and not women, that would already be a swing and a miss.But in any case it wasn't an "official statement" and it didn't say "kpop SL was down the line"I implore you to learn the fucking difference between objective reality and how you remember things when you're trying to win meaningless internet arguments.>>96813161>And neither hybrid or wishes have changed,Lmao. But WotC just put out an official statement that a hyrbid mana change was down the line :)
>>96812446>I almost never run the storm enabler that helps end the game faster out of courteousness for my opponents>No, I just make them sit through a 55 minute nondeterministic turn instead because I'm that nice of a guyChoke
>>96813133Approach, Felidar Sovereign, or commander damage. If you can't win against a telegraphed wincon, your deck is bad.
>>96813184That isn't what it means either
>>96813195t. scrimblo brimblo fag
>>96812055Tbh this side profile is Caesar as fuck which is based physiognomy
christ on a bike, ladies.arguing with each other is one thing, but consistently saying "You said THIS but you meant THAT" and twisting each others words is fucking pointlessneither of you will convince the other if all you do is try to insist the other guy already agrees with you.
>>96813180>the fag who cries literal tears over EDHREC is backMissed you buddy.You can choose to build a commander any way you want, but you're a retard if you actively choose not to build in the way the commander is designed to be played.Theoretically can Eruth be the commander for a fucking enchantress deck? Sure, but what would be the point?Her ability is to exile 2 cards instead of drawing a card. The only sensible way to play this is with low mana instants because you don't necessarily know when you draw that you are actually be able to play the cards you exile that turn. If you're in izzet, playing low mana instants, you put in all the pay offs for playing instants, and oh, whats the best pay off for casting a bunch of instants in a turn? Storm.You're not special or different for playing a commander in a way it obviously wasn't meant to be played.I wanted to do izzet big mana and Neera was objectively the better commander to enable it. If you in that situation would choose to build Eruth over Neera just to be different, you are a certifiable, helmet-wearing, can't be left alone with small animals or children retard.
>>96812954Or more likely>No, I totally need the jeweled lotus to be able to cast my 7 mana commander in this super fast meta!Ignoring the fact that jeweled lotus was one of the things that make the meta so fast to begin with and that they won't be able cast their commander anyway if the other guy wins by turn 3 thanks to it.
>>96813241>You seem to have a problem twisting reality to align with your position when that just isnt the caseThe fucking irony
>>96813188you really should've led with that then instead of implying that your deck takes 40mins to win
>deflecting swat is not a bracket 2 cardlel sweet deal
>>96813285>You literally liedIRONKNEEEEEEES
>>96813266I never led with my deck taking 40 mins to win. You play stax to get the cascadeniggers and valuefags to play fair or waste their (probably very limited) removal til you get the win.No one actually plays winconless stax.
>>96813088I said it before and I'll say it again: If you can't do anything, just pass the turn. Taking long when you can't even do anything is a complete skill issue. And I already waste a lot of time playing this game sometimes because valuefags take forever to play out their turns. And then when you try to stop them with a bit of stax, they'll throw a tantrum like you just because one piece prevents them from storming of with cascade.
>>96811837>heh I was being retarded on purposeK
>>96812813The card is both red and green, color identity is unique to Commander and involves what's written on the card. Changing the rules for no reason is cringe.>>96812764Chains should go into any deck where you either face a LOT of people drawing lots of cards and want to punish it, or when you want to discard more readily. What other cards are you looking for homes for?
>>96813511>Tripfag has terrible opinionstale as old as time.Different anon. There's an intuitive understanding to how hybrid works. People understand how hybrid should work. I recognize that it's not how it works under color identity currently. The current rules are retarded.
>>96813533Anon there are so many formats you can play hybrid cards in, why "fix" what ain't broke? WotC becoming more and more comfortable with altering even core rules of commander is bad. Stop that.
>>96812838>>96812783Like it or hate it but the fact WOTC are talking about it means it's coming. That's how they operate: first they say "we're considering X, but we want to get the communities feedback first!" Then, barring a full blown and very vocal total community backlash, they'll just lie and say "Most of the player base supports the change so it's implemented!" even if most of the feedback was ambivalent but not virulent. Every change they make is a boil the frog moment.
>>96813533>There's an intuitive understanding to how hybrid worksApparently not if you're too stupid to know
>>96813449Your reading comprehension is embarrassingly bad
>>96813221*Extorts*
>>96813576Extort is reminder text, as you well know
>>96813576The rule is that reminder text doesn't count because it raises a LOT of issues with both Extort and several old cards. A good example is Charmed Amulet. Not that you've been playing long enough to know, but that's fine newbie.
>>96813180Hmm you raise some troubling points
>>96813600AIEEEE THIS HAS OTHER COLOR PIPS I CAN'T UNDERSTAND IT!!!
>>96813533This is literally the only time swordbro has had a good takeCry more, fag
The fact people are only discussing the hypothetical change to hybrid mana after the RC decided that Kinnan was okay in all brackets tells me how retarded the average EDH player is.
>>96813609I-IS THAT AN ITALICIZED COLORED MANA SYMBOL?!? AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH I AN GOING INSANEEEEEEEEEEE
>>96813621Thats only because everybody was pretty universally in agreement that kinnen, urza, and yuriko getting taken off the GC list was the fucking stupidest decision WotC could have even thought of making, meanwhile not wanting off color cards in decks is apparently hard for some people to get
>>96813641You are only proving my point about retardation.
>>96813600IS THAT CLEAVAGE AND LARGE BOOBS?!IN MY PROGRESSIVE CARD GAME?!
>I am free
I actually figured this one out a while ago.>903.4f. When determining a card's color identity, cards with hybrid mana symbols are treated as having multiple color identities, one for each color of mana represented by a hybrid symbol. During deckbuilding, only a single color identity need be considered in determining what cards can be in a deck with a certain commander. The other color identities are treated as though they didn’t exist.>(The rule on commander color identity in the absence of a commander, which was previously rule 903.4f, is moved to 903.4g)>903.5e. If hybrid mana symbols appear in your commander's mana cost or rules text, any rule or effect that refers to your commander’s color identity refers to all of its combined color identities. See rule 903.4.Since generic mana symbols don't have a color, and this specifies "one for each COLOR of mana represented by a hybrid symbol", twobrid symbols would be treated as the only color that they have. I drafted these rules before we had Phyrexian hybrid mana, but Phyrexian isn't a color and so the logic still holds.
>>96813641I certainly don't agree with that
>>96813678low res game screenshots arent magic cards
>>96813679>Implying they won't just change this rule when lorwyn releasesThey couldn't be more obvious about why they're even bringing this discussion up if they tried, they'll make sure you can run as many hybrid cards as physically possible in your deck
>>96813698proxies aren't magic cards either
>>96813714Anything printed after the Hasbro acquisition isn't a magic card
>>96813600this isnt a good example, its massive cope.this reminder has nothing to do with extort being literally and actually payable with hybrid mana. i run extort cards in an orzhov deck of mine, and i pay with either B or W depending on the situation. The actuality of the ability dismantles the whole "but its just reminder text :(" argument
>>96813714i never claimed otherwise, silly-kun
>>96812595I suck ass at taking irl pictures
