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>>96810796Please do, the craze is because of shitposting, the serious discussion can continue alongside other cyoas. Never let the presence of other OC stop you from posting, CC is old anyway.
I made this thread just to spotlight your OC, new-author-kun~
>>96810907My fellow CCggers! We can't let the discussion die! QUICK! Who makes it faster to rank 9. A dick devourer with no methods or someone with 2 methods but no grand inheritance? ANSWER
>>96811020the two methods guy... because he has a method to actually go up stages, while the other is brute forcing it.
>>96811020>A dick devourer with no methodsfated to never reach immortality
>>96811026Dickdevourer can just steal a method
>>96811035*the knowledge of a method
>>96811020>>96811035shit question, how tf is dick devourer supposed to hunt for power as a stage 0 mook with no methods? 2 cultivations wins by defaultalso no, there is nothing in the description that states dick devourer can steal entire cultivation methods
>>96811050Everyone is stage 1 and you can go up stages without methods. Methods are just knowledge too, which the devourer can steal.
https://imgchest.com/p/qe4gmez3j4jEndless Riches https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96804748/#96808604Real Estate https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96765686/#96771224Bloodline Clones https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96771516/#96771928Arthur Pendragon https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96771516/#96772383Blessed Sage of Heaven and Earth https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96771516/#96772819Asi-Māra, Demonic Sword of the Crimson Sea https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96771516/#96772890Devourer of Minds https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96771516/#96772939Pill Popping Immortal Daoist https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96771516/#96773130Hidden Blood Demon https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96787971/#96790138Sword Shadow https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96771516/#96774392The Radiant https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96771516/#96775064Bibliophile https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96776475/#96780558The Butcher https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96787971/#96789913The Primordial Void https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96776475/#96779706Thousand Faces https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96791933/#96793467The Dryad https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96791933/#96793477True Knight https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96780911/#96781427Ultimate Lifeform https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96780911/#96782605Dao Master https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96780911/#96783138Heaven Sundering Fist https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96780911/#96785686Ice Nerd https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96780911/#96785747Lilu https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96787971/#96789459Immaterial Maester https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96791933/#96792605The Godfather Golem https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96791933/#96792542Herald of Progress https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96787971/#96790948Entropy Snake https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96787971/#96791184
>>96811066Scroll Lich https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96787971/#96791572Primordial Jew https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96787971/#96792028Aventurine https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96791933/#96793188Machine God https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96791933/#96793440Shadow Crafter https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96791933/#96794677Yin Yang Scion https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96791933/#96797399Artist https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96798161/#96800218Id and Ego https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96804748/#96806558Inheritor of the Cataclysm https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96804748/#96808227https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96798161/#96802638The Sins-Eater https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96804748/#96810724
CC wins another thread. EZ
You need to consider the fact that maybe anons are talking about CC because they don't have anything else to talk about.
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>>96811164Sorcerer is the most fun. You can just create a pocket dimension and fuck off permanently, no? Trying to get involved with the others in a meaningless power struggle that will surely doom the planet is retarded.
Methods are about how you perceive the world. You can change Methods but stealing one is much harder. Maybe Akashic could make Tulpas with altered mind states to cultivate multiple but most people cannot just change their way of interpreting the world on a whim.
>>96811199Never really enjoyed this, idk hy
>>96811204>Maybe Akashic could make Tulpas with altered mind states to cultivate multipleNo.
>>96811066“The Golden Golem” (sorry I keep renaming it, I will stick with this one) Thanks for the Elemental Roots suggestions guys. >Methods Stone Titan Ascent, Litany of the Living Forge, Eternal Frost Pages >Blessings Weapon God Physique (body), Heaven-Blessed (Stolen), Merchant’s Guile, Imperial Ancestry (Royal House of Weapons), Decentralized Organs, Warhound, Third Eye, Iron Will, Protagonist Aura, Seventh Sense, Perfect Conduit, Elemental Roots (Metal), Mutated Dantians, Mastermind, Lowly Junior, Dreamwalker >Treasures Power Concealer, Training Array, Spliced Tree, Market Ticket, Extradimensional Library >Grand Inheritances Heavenly Conqueror Foundation, Lost Legacy, Mentor Ring >Companions Iska, Yesod, Dr. Nalka >Quests Treasure Hunt, Unstable Rifts, Passing Through, Profundity in Violence, Wandering Temple >Complications Parasite, Fated Nemesis (The Wandering Swordswomen), Deviated Form (Glowing Red Eyes), Incursion, Youthful, Incompetent, Minotaur's Lair, Courting Death (Heaven-Blessed), Toad Lusting After A Swan, Fading Away, Defective Meridians, Possession, Doomsayer, Indebted >Next Steps The Cross Roads >Writeup https://rentry.org/a24m9kh2
>Author posts a made-up soundtrack for their CYOA.>Music is a banger all the way through.That's the good stuff.
>>96811189Stop seething over its success.
>>96811277Example?
>>96811299luminary
>>96811275Should the drawbacks have been kept limited?
>>96811308yes
>>96811287I'm not seething over anything, retard. I'm saying this so the author from last thread will feel persuaded to post his cyoa.
>>96811326No ciriNo build
>>96811308Yes and less drawbacks in general with them being more punishing. It's really dumb how every build just take 1 trillion drawbacks to get evey single choice they want. There's no considering what u should or shouldn't take when there's basically no limit with blessings.
>>96811388Nobody likes CBT drawbacks.
>>96811202Creating a pocket dimension should be a hard spell. Then you would be locked out of materials for future spells. If you just want to fuck off, the body and biokinetic are the best. If you want to red oyour life biokinetic is the best period, as you can make another planet into an Earth 2.0, with plants to change atmosphere and all.
>>96811308Honestly I don't think there should be drawbacks at all.
>>96811409Good, you shouldn't be able to take every blessing you want.
>>96811425>Good, nobody should interact with the drawback systemFull retard.
>miseryfags want to nerf blessings nowWhy am I not surprised. If you faggots had your way we would only be able to pick one of each.
>>96811435Yeah, and that'd make the CYOA actually good.>NOOOOOO I SHOULD HAVE 3 GIS AND 100 BLESSINGS AND TREASURESAll these builds are samey and shit, not an inkling of creativity or imagination to be found. Sad!
>>96811435Nothing satisfies them
>>96811444trips of TRVTH
>>96811415How hard it is would probably depend on the size. I think you could make an apartment sized pocket dimension and then just slowly expand from there. If you absolutely need to get materials you can just dimension hop somewhere instead of earth, more magical dimensions are guaranteed to have better materials anyway.
>>96811434The fact that every build here is taking 1 trillion drawbacks to get every single thing they want is good indicator that way drawbacks are right now people interpret them to be too trivial and easy to deal with.
Cyoas should just have difficulty modes instead of drawbacks.
>>96811202>creating a void and sitting in it forever is his idea of fun/cyoag/ has gotten increasingly bitch made over the years. you hate to see it
>>96811454Drawbacks in CC are essentially plothooks, I would've taken many of them anyway because they make things interesting. Something like Hero's Journey for example is only a bad pick if you intend to turtle out inside your LL and some anons see Lonely is a straight up benefit-only drawback, because they don't want the hassle of dealing with people anyway.
>>96811453>If you absolutely need to get materials you can just dimension hop somewhere instead of earth1. that spell also needs materials.2. you are going blind> more magical dimensions are guaranteed to have better materials anyway.I doubt it. Earth is the center of super phenomenon that made all the supers.Of all the superpowers, only telepath is worse than Sorcerer in going outside of Earth. As even the tech based one can build reusable tech, but the sorcerer has 1 time use spells. And telekinetic can make his own oxygen, food and materials.
>>96811470Holy shit imagine if someone actually fell for this, lmao.
>>96811470That is the common Reddit/interactive way, yes.
>>96811473You can create a pocket dimension that meets all your needs while planeswalking to different dimensions and having your adventures. My point is that staying on earth is possibly the worst option you could choose. Also, it's a real shame you lack creativity to play an imagination game. Maybe you're just here to shitpost.
>>96811480I hate difficulty settings. It's like be Batman instead of Superman idiocy.
>>96811470This is the miseryfags true form. Gaze upon it, /cyoag/.
>>96811478Sorcerer is the only one that has magic related powers and can visit other dimensions that way, so it stands to reason that the magic dimensions have more magic materials. In any case, you can still get some material on earth and fuck off somewhere else. Also with Sorcerer's versatility you could very well fuck off to Mars and terraform it. It would take effort, yes, but it is doable.
>>96811308I agree that perhaps they are a bit too lax right now but I like that none of them feel extremely crippling unless they directly interfere with your build. If the drawback is too punishing then people will just either just ignore them or pretend that they overcome it in a single day, them being interactive is better for the enjoyment of the cyoa. Perhaps limiting the number or make them worth half a blessing would have been at stopping people from just taking all the blessings there are.
>>96811500Ahhhhhhh
>>96811308No but maybe the number of blessings that can be obtained like how the number of GIs is limited. Also giving 2 treasures for 1 drawback might get some people to pick treasures instead of blessings.
>>96811532>>96811551Nerf fags strike again.
>>96811308No. I like the drawbacks in this cyoa, getting blessings for free is just a bonus imo.
If you weren't in /cyoag/ 2 years ago then you shouldn't be posting. Only lurking.
>>96811564Try 5 years.
The best drawbacks… are the ones that feel a bit like boons/powers themselves…
>>96811326>SchoolThe Viper School>Magic Axii 3>GeneralDark Alchemy 3 / Utilitarian Alchemy 3 / Stealth 3 / Witcher Knowledge 3>BoonsYour Own Domain (Toussaint)>Hunting AreaNilfgaardToussaintMonster hunting will most likely only be a side gig to selling potions and cosmetics to the nobles, while studying alchemy and maybe the subjects Witcher Knowledge 3 unlock at my manor. Won't leave Toussaint much, do easy jobs while travelling around Nilfgaard.
>>96811568Nope. Wrong.
>>96811568Yep. Right.
Drawbacks are an outdated mechanic. They add nothing to a cyoa.
>>96811675They add a way for the strong to rule over the cowardly weak.
>>96811568No, that's dumb, if a drawback is actually a blessing then there's no point in giving that option, just give it to people for free. What is good is when a drawback is about something that you weren't going to use for that particular build. For CC, that being taking lonely when you weren't going to interact with people anyway for example.
>>96811693Are you sure in your 10000000+ year long life you won't want a couple friends/
>>96811693Autism showcase number one.
>>96811693True and enlightened
>>96811199>Social Status:Noble>Departure:Second Son>Student:Answer: WonderYears: 5 (16-21)Events: Strange Class 2, The Professor 1Benefits: Powerful Brain, The GrimoireQuitting: ResearchSkills/Stats:Martial: 2Etiquette: 2Education: 4Silver-Tongue: 1Wealth: 2Friends: 1>Scholar:Field of Research: Advanced AlchemyYears: 6 (21-27)Events: Colleague 1, Archives 1, Laboratory 2Benefits: Powerful Brain, The Grimoire, Alchemy AuthorityQuitting: ResearchSkills/Stats:Martial: 2Etiquette: 2Education: 9Craft: 9Silver-Tongue: 1Wealth: 3Friends: 1>Courtier:Faction: King ThelmundYears: 5 (27-32)Events: Friend 1, Learning 2Benefits: Powerful Brain, The Grimoire, Alchemy Authority, Royal EarQuitting: PromotionSkills/Stats:Martial: 3Etiquette: 6Education: 9Craft: 9Silver-Tongue: 1Fame: 1Wealth: 5Friends: 1>Councilor:Style: King's FriendYears: 7 (32-39)Events: Marriage 1, Royal Edict 1, Conspiracy 1Benefits: Powerful Brain, The Grimoire, Authority (Alchemy), Secret Council, CountQuitting: Moving OnSkills/Stats:Martial: 5Etiquette: 9Education: 9Craft: 9Silver-Tongue: 1Fame: 4Wealth: 7Friends: 2With supreme influence, authoritative knowledge of alchemy, abundant wealth, and martial skill to protect myself, I have maximized my chances for immortality.>Epilogue:HomecomingA consolidation of my influence that doubles as a vacation. I go back to being a councilor afterwards.
>>96811035stealing the knowledge of a method doesn't let you practice another method on top of what you already can, you'd need to find someone with hcf and steal that to do so>>96811050you just attack others at the same stage duhyou also can't be stage 0, you start at stage 1 and it only takes a few days or weeks of cultivation to get to stage 2 depending on if you have speed bonuses for it like hcf, lost legacy, or condensation arraya better question is if the devourer eats a married dude, is he now married to the widow? we never got to the bottom of that in the old version>>96811226says you, there's other ways to gather extra insights, obviously it's possible to be indirect about it, akashic being good support on the insight side isn't any different than heartwood being good at support via energy pool size and fucking with metaphysical organs
>>96811532anon, no choice in a cyoa should ever feel crippling, no matter what it is, the entire philosophy of including crap like that into a cyoa is self-defeating and always makes the cyoa worse as a whole
>>96811326>School:Viper>Abilities:Magic: Axii 3General: Constitution 3, Dark Alchemy 3, Utilitarian Alchemy 3, Witcher Knowledge 3, Senses 3Maximized knowledge for alchemical and magical research. Maximized constitution for withstanding upgrade procedures. Axii plus alchemy can capture most beings for experimentation.>Boons:A Precious Favor (head of the top mage organization), Cell RegenerationI ask the them to make me a mage and teach me magic.>Banes:Torture Chamber: Heal with alchemy and cell regeneration ability.Infamous: Change my appearance with alchemy and/or magic.High Sensitivity: Solve it with alchemy and/or magic.>Hunting Area:Wherever the the top mage organization HQ is.
>>96811564>>96811566it's 13 years now actually
>>96811693the point is to mold your build into the shape you want with negative but not crippling choicesthe only good drawbacks are things that can be solved, therefore lonely is actually not one of the most minmax drawbacks to take since you should always start with the solvable ones okay, in xianxia literally everything is solvable even if it's not explicitly mentioned, but still, clearly the obviously or explicitly solvable ones will be much easier to solve
>>96811736You cannot use your tuplas to cheese your way into cultivating more Methods, if that is what you're suggesting.
>>96811779no, i'm saying you could use them to gather insights faster
>>96811742I agree that no one will take a choice that actively harms them, but the whole point of drawbacks is allowing people to get a bit more of what the author considers the balance by taking what are supposed to be negatives. If the negatives are jokes then people will just pick as many as possible to get all the positives they can, killing all sort of variety in choices and making all builds the same.A drawback should be something that people would rather not take but something whose positives can overcome that, up to a point at least. If you see every build taking up ten or more drawbacks then they clearly don't consider them to be actual issues.
>>96811072>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96798161/#96802638I didn't get a name last time for some reason, but that's ok, replace it with this build. >MethodsThousand Venoms TextSkin-Shedding Scripture>BlessingsImperial AncestryDecentralized OrgansWarhoundThird EyeIron WillPeerless ProdigyElemental Roots (Toxin)Mutated DantiansRight to Rule>TreasuresScrying MirrorsTraining ArrayBerserker PillsSalubrious TonicHunting Grounds>Grand InheritancesLost LegacyOversoulPrimordial Essence (Dragon)>CompanionsLyra, The WyrmHirak, The Beast>EventsHive QueenThe Creeping RotCorrupted ZoneThe CannibalThe Horde>DrawbacksValuableFated Nemesis (Cassian, The Unbreakable)Deviated FormIncursionMinotaur's LairCourting DeathHero's JourneyVenom Dragonlord build, this is a more 'normal' cultivator build focused around combat and training. Mostly a melee superiority fighter, toxins give me added utility and extra lethality in fights. I've put a lot of emphasis on the "bloodline" stuff in particular, although this build is still really good at training and can handily deal with most threats, and someone like cassian would be a worthy opponent. Through combat I will forge myself, and through forging myself I will attain the power I crave.
>>96811818no, you're getting it wrong, drawbacks aren't supposed to be negative in the sense of making your build worse in a fluff and enjoyability sense, they're supposed to be negative in the sense that they make your build less capable of sitting around in a neet cave and forcing it to engage with the setting insteadgiving options for making the build worse in a fluff and enjoyability sense serves nobody except the few pinheads who are ignoring the fluff and just trying to play checkers with powersputting a choice into your cyoa that makes the cyoa as a whole worse is always a mistake, saying that it's a drawback doesn't make it okay
>>96811842Our sovereign... has returned...
>>96811856You posted that last time too, samefag bro.
i needs me a gun
>>96812062I think this man can be trusted with a Dharma Weapon
>>96812067the dharma firearm...
why would you want a gun when you can just be a gun
>>96812245MachineGODS...
>>96811842>Fated Nemesis (Cassian, The Unbreakable)Softie...
Cassian should be renamed to the breakable with how many anons are gonna beat his ass
I fucking hate autistsYou did this to me cyoag
>>96812414No John, you are the autists.
>>96811066Finally got around to roughing out a build. Still need to pick Events and might change some stuff. Not usually a fan of cultivation but this was really good.Any suggestions on the build?Methods:>Fated Shot Doctrine>Prismatic Radiance ManuscriptI'm a sucker for the 'bed luck in your favour' options and I feel like these two work well together. With PRM & FSD I have luck, speed, reaction time and perception with PRM providing defense and FSD offense. I guess this is basically a Hunter from Destiny.(Heavenly Celestial Scrolls & Bone-Scrivened would have been my other combo for a sort of mystical jack of all trades build.)Blessings:>Weapon God Physique (Gun)>Heaven Blessed>Third Eye>Protagonist Aura>Power of FriendshipFurther reinforcing the Fate Touched Gunslinger vibes while throwing in some good ol jRPG seasoning. I'm happy not actually being the protag tho.Treasures:>Stores of Wealth>Abandoned Beast>Power Concealer>Omni Compass>Perfect ServantI feel like these choices add and reinforce the vibes I'm going for. Might swap out Omni Compass for something else but it does seem pretty useful and perfect adventure fuel. The Stores of Wealth is more for my companions.Honestly I think this was the hardest section to choose from. So much I would have liked to have. Looking at you Extradimensional Library.Grand Inheritance:>Mentor RingA helping hand to guide my way seems pretty useful. Even if my first instincts are to be suspicious of it. Dharma Weapon would have been my other choice.Companions:>Lyra, The Wyrm>Hirak, The Beast>Yesod, The Blind CraftsmanHonestly I wish I could have taken another one but when you factor in my Mentor, Servant and Beast we're already quite the large party. I feel like I should switch out Hirak or Lyra for Alva or Iska tho. Trade some of their physical power for someone to cover the arcane.Complications:>EmpatheticThe Wanderer with a heart of gold.>96793188Would waifu
>>96812423Do you really need Weapon God Physique for gun? What does it give that Fated Shot wouldnt?
>>96812423>>96793188>Would waifuleast gay fated job doctrine fan btw
>>96811066Akashic is the best method due to phylactary immortality like you need to kill all the tulpas across multiple locations and/or dimensions before they could spawn even more tulpas to replace the dead ones
>>96812436Honestly probably not but I figured it would augment and reinforce my skills with firearms even further. Also considered taking Dharmic Weapon to be ultimately compatible with my Gun-fu (male)>>96812438Yes.Thanks for linking properly btw. Forgot the extra >
>>96812450>not just building cortical stack backup implantsmachineDEITIES always win
>>96812450If something or someone is able to off your main body, they can more than likely mow through your weaker mental constructs, not to mention you'd still be weakened by the act of creating more.
>>96812472Well that makes a few assumptions. One is that they know about your your tulpas and your ability to reincarnate through them. Two, that even if they know about that they can locate and destroy all your tulpas. There is nothing indicating any sort of maximum range between you and the tulpas or that the even have to be on the same world together.
>>96812472With Akashic Ascension I don't think that one's main body is necessarily stronger than any others. All sub-minds are likely roughly equal, with total strength relating to how many sub-minds you have in the area. Depending on what other methods that may change, as Stone Titan or Living Forge probably have a proper main body, but there is no reason a Path of Metamorphosis couldn't split their body into different component bodies, and Shadow Spirit with Akashic Ascension likely results in someone's main body being more like their mental constructs anyway.
>>96812472Which would require a lot of complicated logistics of locating each and everyone of the Tulpas across multiple realms and killing each and ever one almost simultaneously as if even just one isn't found they can start making more tulpas an repeat the whole process again, which is a fuck ton more effort to kill than any other method
>>96811066>in a body that is not your ownWas there anything about what you look like in this version (besides it being adult unless you take Youthful)? Or is it just a random body?
>>96812515100% of all Cataclysmic Cultivation players have trooned out.
>>96812515No info. Rake has said you can have it looks however you like with-in the bounds of human.
>>96812515You get turned into a women because of luminary
>>96810879Man i cant read shit, who though that a dark red text on a dark background was a good idea?
>>96812515this cyoa assumes anything left vague is an invitation to make up your own stuff, which is different than most cyoas that are more clear about stuff like that, so it has cause some confusion
>>96811454In principle I've gotta agree with you. I usually love drawbacks as >>96811477 said,they add flavour but I think a max of 2 additional drawbacks would be good for balance.>>96811551I think these are good suggestions.>>96811435Too limiting.>>96811574Nice build. I also didn't go full Monhun with mine. Might as well post it. >>96811326School: GriffinMagic Abilities:- Axii Sign lv2- Quen Sign lv2- Aard sign lv3General Abilities:- Agility lv1- Senses lv1- Witcher Knowledge lv2Boons:- Group of Friends- Nonhuman Friendship- Protector of Monsters- True LoveBanes:- Horrible Nightmares- A Heavy Debt to PayHunting Area: NovigradMore of a scholar than warrior. A traumatic encounter led the breaking of a contract that incurred a heavy debt.>>96811722Naisu Builderu
>>96812526>>96812559That's a bit lame, he could have justified it in-world with RE bullshit.
>>96812590You have deviated form for that, use any aesthetic bullshit you want
Does guardian have any of your blessings and GIs? Because if they don't then they're literally weaker than you can therefore useless.
>>96812423I think weapon god physique(gun) is too broad. But maybe I'm the only one that think that if you pick sword you are outstanding with only one type of sword.Though I don't know if anyone bother being specific.
>>96812651usually it's just a basic category, personally i think you just get more effect if you go very narrow and less if you go very broad
>>96811066Some additions to the build and some more writefaggotry/build explanation.Title: The Thousand Faces>Methods: Akashic Ascension Records, Skin-Shedding Scripture, Heavenly Celestial Scrolls>Blessings: Merchant's Guile, Jade Beauty, Protagonist Aura, Seventh Sense, Perfect Conduit, Innovative, Peerless Prodigy, Deceitful Trickster, Communication Expert, Mastermind, Wise Elder, Lowly Junior>Treasures: Golden Vessel, Portable Workshop, Market Ticket, Extradimensional Library, Hunting Grounds>Grand Inheritance: Auxilliary Master, Heavenly Conquerer Foundation, Lost Legacy>Companions: Alice, Iska, Lyra>Events: Hive Queen, The Creeping Rot, Corrupted Zone, The Horde, Wandering Temple>Complications: Parasite, Fated Nemesis ("Twang"), Deviated Form (4-point star-shaped pupils), Pseudo-Fallen, Incursion, Youthful, Courting Death, Frog In A Well, Possesion, DoomsayerI went for build with a solid base of Mind, Body, & Soul to build off of later, and the talent to smoothly develop however I choose.With my Akashic Ascension Records I'll create networks of allies I keep in touch with telepathically. It'll do my best to provide training, material assistance, information, and assistance with making plans.From the Skin-Shedding Scripture I won't seek a singular final form, rather something more malleable. A "thousand faces" with a variety of different combinations of acquired abilities I can switch between. Perfection is such a distant goal, progress need not be a linier path, and at this point most everything is a series of trade-offs.I'd like to figure out from Heavenly Celestial Scrolls how to do "soul capture" techniques (really spirit duplicates with their knowledge/abilities rather than actual souls) so I can conjure the shades of those I've defeated to learn their secrets, use them to train my allies, and/or deploy them in battle. If this works out I could probably build quite the arsenal of "acquired" knowledge.
>>96812651He has FSD so he doesn't even need it. Personally I would've chosen (Body) because of the litany or benefits you would get from it.
>>96812698My Blessings are geared towards social skills, avoiding trouble, finding and exploiting opportunity, and maximizing experimentation and training (for both myself and those I work with).The Treasures are pretty straight forward. Golden Vessel for travel. Extradimensional Library for info (especially about items). Portable Workshop and Hunting Grounds for making items. Market Ticket for selling items.Heavenly Conquerer Foundation is more general growth. Auxilliary Master and Lost Legacy combos wonderfully will all my other commerce stuff.The three companions I chose seem to be the ones in most dire need of help to avoid death or worse. And I intend to put to the test how "irreversibly twisted" Alice is as I try to drag her back onto the right path. I believe the phase is "I can fix her." Or at least learn something about what her Method should have been.As for events: The Hive Queen I'll try to shake her out of her mania, and I have a variety of tools for that; exposing the plot of The Creeping Rot cultists and cooking up protective counter measure for allies should be enough for allies to disperse them and get me access to the fungus; Perfect Conduit will hopefully offer some protection from the Corrupted Zone, if not I'll have to make warding talisman or something, then use the purifying heat of the sun from H.C.S. to clean up after; again H.C.S. is a great tool against The Horde of undead; and finally I can try to convince that one guy to fix the Wandering Temple or maybe do it myself, why do they consider it heresy and would it be heresy to teach someone else to do it?And yes most of these do give materials. Why do I need more if I have so many from Lost Legacy? Well those are much higher quality and I want to save them till I'm skilled enough to make the most of them. This is for crap to practice with.
>>96812709I have quite a few complication to deal with. Parasite I'll need outside help for, though figuring out it exists is likely going to be very hard. Making peace with "Twang", fixing my Deviated Form, driving off the dragon Incursion, and growing out of my Youthful form will be "it's done when it done" issues I'll have to chip away at. Though spending time in the Lost Legacy palace will shorting my Youthful phase to outside observers. The inner demon from Pseudo-Fallen and the spirit from Possesion I might be able to take advantage of, projecting them out as quasi-illusions that can lash out at anything near by (such as my foes). I might be able to eventually subjugate them and turn them into tulpas, bound spirits or something of that nature. For Courting Death I'm the sort of person who'd at least try to figure out why some one is trying to kill me if I don't know and make peace if reasonably possible. So depending on the demeanor of the clan I might be fighting off wave after wave of assassins until they decide it's not worth it, or I might be able to reach some sort of settlement. The combination of Innovative and Wise Elder might give me the opportunity to get the clan to accept or at least tolerate my existence if I share my breakthroughs and/or help train their members. Frog In A Well is something I'll just have to deal with, but is mitigated by Protagonist Aura, Seventh Sense and the Extradimensional Library. Doomsayer is a bit thorny because I'm not sure how far afield portents about me were made. Is it just on Earth or does it go beyond? Either way I intend to keep a low profile till I can clear my name.
>>96812704Well it's a further amp to FSD by empowering it's techniques so I would say it's quite synergetic
>>96812712you didn't take the memory drawback so you already know you have the parasiteyou picked pretty much the literal worst way to deal with the courting death clan, absolutely any other action would be better
>>96812726The parasite complication says "Unbeknownst to you" Not knowing you have it is part of the complication.
>>96812727i guess i never took that seriously since i haven't made a single build without third eye
>>96812717Makes sense anon, I don't know what anons are smoking but taking a weapon method and the corresponding weapon God physique is synergistic IMO not redundant.
>>96812726Uhhh.... I certainly did take Frog In A Well which says I don't get perfect info on a lot of things. Including Complications. Not sure what memory drawback you are talking about.
>>96812747oh, i guess i didn't notice it
>tech is rare and stagnant across the planesimagine taking communication talismans when smartphones exist.... lol.... RE and all magic should be put to use for cultivation, weapons, and armor alone so no valuable magic is wasted on unnecessary things
>>96812786I know this is bait but the talismans have unlimited range.
>>96811066In case I missed it fellow Cultivators, I am curious: Do the Blessings Innovative & Peerless Prodigy compound with the Grand Inheritance Oversoul? Or would it be redundant? Similarly, the various Treasures that come with recipes or means to replicate themselves, would these be covered by the Auxiliary Master GI? Obviously having a working copy right away makes it easier to access but budgeting well begs the question.
>>96812799NTA, but smartphones could still be argued to be better in one regard. You can mass produce them. It's unfortunately practically impossible to mass produce and RE based items.
>>96812815>>96812799>build communication talisman network node interdimensional gangster radio towers in each world>now your smartphones have unlimited range>dont have to equip every pleb with communication talismans (expensive)now thats how its done
>>96812826Actually not a bad approach, the build I am brewing has something like that in mind, though a system interface or HUD is also be considered, especially if I integrate the Celestial Orrery. Cultivator chat groups, maybe even an "in-game" character sheet for those that let it scan them.
>>96812712>For Courting Death I'm the sort of person who'd at least try to figure out why some one is trying to kill me if I don't know and make peace if reasonably possible. So depending on the demeanor of the clan I might be fighting off wave after wave of assassins until they decide it's not worth it, or I might be able to reach some sort of settlement. The combination of Innovative and Wise Elder might give me the opportunity to get the clan to accept or at least tolerate my existence if I share my breakthroughs and/or help train their members.Lol lmaoIt hasn't been an apocalyptic xianxia setting for too long so they might still be capable of reason. Just don't try this once you leave Earth, it's genocide or be genocided
>>96812423I would argue against those other anons that weapon god physique is great for any weapon method, even the gun one, as using a gun is not the point click adventure they think it is.Another thing is that I don't know where you got your third companion, you start out with 2 and the first complication is compulsory with no reward for itfinally, since you seem to be going for a friend making build I would suggest taking the communication talisman so you can still contact them when some of them inevitably leave to do their own thingprobably changed for the omnicompass or stores of wealth
>>96812866>Another thing is that I don't know where you got your third companionProtagonist Aura gives a free companion.
>>96812633This is honestly a good question. Do we even know how strong Guardian is? It states they are one stage above you, but other GI effectively boost your stage by 2, so it's unclear whether they are stronger than you or weaker. And in case of them being stronger, how do you justify that if they don't have access to at least some physique or other combat related blessings? I think Rake should probably give you a stipend to go through the cyoa a second time, to create your own companion, but I guess letting anons create their own methods for the companions might be best.
>>96812866>Being good at weapons doesn't go with weapon methodsGen Z everyone
>>96812866>as using a gun is not the point click adventure they think it is.What possible gun combat skill can WGP give you that FSD doesn't already? Perception, reaction speed, accuracy no matter conditions or distance? Level 1 FSD covers all of that. Hell, FSD makes "skill" with a gun increasingly irrelevant as you progress the method. No need to actually give a shit about bullet drop or wind speeds when your bullets have probability magic that makes them always hit, or don't exist until the moment of impact. Like yeah, I guess both together is better skill than just one alone. But do you not quickly hit diminishing returns?
I think that choosing options that give you similar advantages should compound. Like picking FSD and Weapon God for guns. Instead of redundancy you can argue that it just boosts your talent even further.
>>96812905>What possible gun combat skill can WGP give you that FSD doesn't already?its the same stuff but better, weapon god + fsd will curbstomp a guy with just one or the other
>>96812905>But do you not quickly hit diminishing returns?No. Skill in xianxia is a bullshit thing that makes your blade sharper so it can cut distance and kill a man on the other side of the continent. Same concept applies to guns.
>>96812799not really
>>96812915Yea the Dao of whatever weapon is bottomless. WGP also would help with gaining insight.
>>96812890>but other GI effectively boost your stage by 2What GI states it boosts your stage by 2? Dharma Weapon and Primordial Essence are the only ones that make you effectively a stage higher than you actually are. Everything else just boosts your growth rate or does something else completely different.Perfect Guardian description says they "are always at least a stage above you". So you'd have to take both Dharma Weapon and Primordial Essence to maybe be stronger than your guardian.
>>96812852By the time I leave Earth I'll have tulpa respawning, so it won't be a huge risk. Besides just seeing how they respond might give valuable info thanks to Communication Expert.
>>96812938I think the author said himself that each GI essentially makes you punch 1 stage above your station, but even if you disregard that, something like PE could make you stronger than your Guardian, especially if accompanied by some of the combat blessings like warhound or weapon god. My point is that it is left too vague, even the right combination of Blessings can also boost you enough that you could fight someone 1 stage higher, making the guardian kinda weak if he doesn't have access to anything but methods.
>>96812938>>96812890none, the only gi that effectively makes a 2 stage difference is void body, and that's only because it makes a 1 stage difference twice in two different locationsstage differences aren't a ladder where it's equally hard to go up every stage, you need something like ten 1 stage differences to create one 2 stage difference
>>96812976My point is that with 2 other GIs you can fight people 2 stages above you, void body fuckery aside.
>>96812938If I remember correctly Rake said each one effectively improves your power by a stage>>96812976That their effects are merely additive (making having multiple pretty pointless) isn't necessarily true. If you combine any two GIs, you might be able to get much better results than if you had two people with one each.
>>96812973Well you seem to be over looking the fact that even if the guardian doesn't punch above its weight class there are other things to consider.1) They speed up your growth. 2) They are an eternally loyal ally who will always do their best to help you that can't permanently die unless you do. (It should be noted that fighting multiple opponents tends to be even harder then you might think.)
>>96812992The quote from the reddit is "Generally all GI's make you about a stage stronger than you should be, yes. I'll make it less vague."As it uses generally there is a possibility of exceptions and as this is from the previous version and as void body was not clarified I can make a possible assumption that void body can actually reduce enemies by multiple stages until they reach your level as from the raw description of void body.
>quote from redditgo back
>>96813014Well then I guess by this logic we should not rely on Rakes word in arguments as he posts answears to questions on Reddit and just use the raw text
>>96812890The guardian is basically a custom companion fit for your needs. They don't get blessings in the same way you do, but you can consider that their style is one so perfectly in sync with yours that the two of you fighting can easily overwhelm stronger opponents. Not to mention that they also fuel your cultivation just by existing.
>>96813012That would make void body the best GI by far, it wouldn't even be fair. I also think he said on the discord that VB is supposed to drag your opponents down 1 stage only. Remember, the GIs are supposed to be balanced, at least in theory.>>96813008Having a "guardian" be weaker than you is a bit of a meme. The idea that they are "1 stage above you" seems to at least imply that they will always be stronger, at least in combat related situations.
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I'm surprised nobody asked Rake anything about the Guardian. I feel like most certainly someone should've asked him about specifics regarding it's powerlevel and possible abilities. I suppose most anons just ignored the option altogether, which is amusing.
>>96813012>can make a possible assumption that void body can actually reduce enemies by multiple stages until they reach your level as from the raw description of void body.It says that stronger opponents resist the effect so it stands to reason that the stronger the opponent the more resistance they offer, meaning that up to a point void body would be basically useless. You are just taking the interpretation that best suits your needs and claiming it was a writing issue.
>>96813032And the methods are supposed to be balanced in theory but Machine dogwalks the others. Rake cant balance to save his life
>>96813044>regarding it's powerlevelAll you need to know is that
>>96813012The description of void body is a lie. It cannot reduce everything to your level by WoG. Rake just refuses to fix the text.
>>96813044It's just a custom companion that's stronger than you physically, what stupid question is there to ask about it?If you can't think about a personalized stand that can fit your build then that's on you.
>>96813012>void body was not clarified I can make a possible assumption that void body can actually reduce enemies by multiple stages until they reach your level as from the raw description of void bodyrake literally clarified it already.Void fags are the worst kind of fags trying to make their GI the best by 10x times
>>96813049>Machine dogwalks the othersYou have a funny way of spelling "forge".
>>96813064For anyone wondering what Rake said.
>>96813069Why does void body get to have a 2 stage jump? Why are voidfags still complaining despite having the only GI that can jump 2 stages on it's own?
>>96813049>the void body fag that wants to argue it makes everyone above you, your level is the same retard that thinks machine method is the best by a lotI am starting to think its matterfag, because I refuse to believe we have two retards of dragon level here.
>>96813063NTA but is it really stronger than me when I have Primordial Essence and Dharma Weapon, along with all the other combat related blessings? I think that is the point of the entire discussion about it. It can't be stronger than (You) with all your blessings and GIs, with only 1 stage above you in cultivation. And if it is stronger, how do you square that circle without access to something like blessings and GI?
Lost Legacy is better. By a lot.
>>96813076the rest of GI that "jump stages" have uses that are not only for combat. Void Body is combat only. Its the same motive why its the most boring.Also, it would not actually be a 2 stage jump, as Rake said "above 2-3" that means some people at stage 3 squashes you. It simply means that the weakest stage 3 could be affected. It's more like 1.5 stages
>>96813065>>96813078This shouldn't even be a debate. Any reasonable person reading CC will see that Machine is the best method, without contest. I can only assume you're baiting.
>>96813046Such are cyoas but word and interpretation of their meaning trying to extract the greatest benefit from the wording is but one of the many joys of a cyoa
>>96813078Put some respect on MatterKINGs name
>>96813082The guardian is not meant to fight you anon, looking at it in terms of them being stronger or weaker than you is stupid. Them being a higher stage is meant to represent how they can compliment all your other blessings and GI without feeling weaker. They are meant to empower you both directly by fighting alongside you with a style perfectly suited for it and indirectly by making your cultivation stronger.
>>96813098its just another method, its competition is full of methods that can burn anything, freeze anything including time, make you virtually unkillable, bend fate, be untouchable, play with space, affect the soul and mind, bring attacks from the past into the future etc...It simply is another method, I am sure an author could do a cyoa with two options.1. You become goku2. You gain 50 of IQand some of you retards will think you can beat Goku because "muh intelligence and tech!"
>>96813098This has to be bait, but I'll hear you out. What makes you think Machine Transcendence is so strong?
>>96812984and my point is that you can't add them up like that, the progression is geometric, if to fight one stage higher you need one gi, the to fight two stages up you need ten gis, and to fight three stages up you need a hundred gisnot necessarily the exact number ten, but you get the point>>96812992not that good, unless you think 90% or more of the final value of the combo will be from the synergy and the individual gis will be negligible compared to it
>>96813069Rake has been inconsistent in wog and supposed "flowery language" is just descriptions which are flat out wrong. Void Body is "flowery language" yet Mastermind (not a GI) isn't, making the latter the only thing aside from possible treasures in Lost Legacy (which it also surpasses) to be stage [insert big number]+ from the very beginning.Options do not do what they say they do nor what you expect them to do. It's ridiculous.
>>96813149skill issue
>>96813149You can complain but it is WOG, and a very recent one.
>>96813139>vb makes enemies effectively one stage weaker>pe essentially makes you one stage stronger than you actually areI don't know bro, it sure sounds like you can fight people 2 stages higher than you with these options.
>>96813114Machine lets you do any of those things>Fire magicLmao just add fire machines>Ice magicHave you ever heard of refrigeration? Etc. Machine is like having all of the other methods at once.
>>96813092Everybody gets affected, people above stage 3 just don't care, they are still more powerful than you by far even with the debuff.
>>96813114Of course you can one clean hit and that sucker is dead
>>96813165You're not making tech that can fuck with space/time/souls until stage 50
>>96813157This is not about this wog specifically but the writing mistakes and inconsistent behavior.
>>96813165A firefag or icefag would fuck your shit up at every stage, matterjeet
>>96813158see literally 3 posts up where i tell you that about void body, readlet
>>96813149yes at that point you just can't know if something said is actually just flowery language or if it actually does that is says it does. Might as well go full death of the Author and rely on the raw text instead of some vague Rake statements.
>>96813170>[HEADCANON]Auxiliary Master gives you knowledge of all Earth tech and beyond, and Machine gives you instinctual understanding of science. Lost Legacy gives you infinite god tier resources. So explain exactly why you would need to wait until Stage 50 to pull this off. Mortals can blow up entire cities (not small cities, big ones) with their technology, easily hitting 10 cultivation stages or more above their weight class. But you think Machine can't? What foolishness.
>>96813178You can't boost yourself with vb, retard-kun.My point is that in a 1v1 you fight people 2 stages higher with that combination. But even leaving that aside, something like Dharma Weapon and PE could make you punch well above your station. VB is easier to use an example because it is an quantifiable debuff, unless you're the retard waking it to high heaven.
>>96813170That is what BIG RE wants you to think don't be limited by the stage ponzi scheme explore the full scope of power technology can provide without being the slave to the linear scaling of the xianxia they suppress tech cause they fear it
>>96813185>Auxiliary Master gives you knowledge of all Earth techyknow since nukes are completely mundane aux masters can make them the moment they spawn in. do you think fate would make the events stronger to compensate?
>>96813197no, your point was about gis other than void body, you only later changed the subject to be annoying
>>96813185>burns his faggot missile out of the sky>burns the radiation on the atmosphere even if it detonates>simply tanks the the heat with his fire immunityYour response?
>>96813205With the machine method you could even just conjure the components for the nuke trough RE
>>96813205>Corpse King can now shrug off RE-10 attacksWe're fucked desu
>>96813165>Lmao just add fire machinesthose fire machines will be a party trick the Fire guy can do>Have you ever heard of refrigeration? Etc. Machine is like having all of the other methods at once.is a jack of all trades, master of none. You are basically saying "but why do I need the sword method if I can have a sword on my own??" because the sword method makes that sword break reality and stronger than it should be.In the same way that just adding "fire machines" is not at the same level of firepower than a guy that can summon fire that burns the immaterial and can burn eternally. Just because you have a candle in your cyber ass you are not equal to a fucking one throwing a sun at you. Just like learning kung fu does not make you goku
>>96813205Well just because you know how to make a nuke, doesn't necessarily mean you have the materials and tools to make a nuke. There are a ton of fiddly bits that require high precision instruments that may or may-not still exist. And sure you could build those too, but in the time it takes to make the tools to make the tools to build a nuke you might have missed a lot of opportunities and/or could have spent your time cultivating to be able to deal with the problems with out all the collateral damage/fallout.
>>96813222Stage 9-10 inferno copelet bragging about fending off stage 0 attack
>>96813165you do realize that you can do all of those things at once even if you don't have a method, rightlike, that's what techniques do, they can be made for any purpose
>>96813212I was talking about something completely different but your retarded ass dragged me into this conversation about nothing.
>>96813170The guy said "ice method that can freeze time? I have refrigieration!" as an argument. He is dumb, genuinely dumb. The type of dumb kind everyone feels weird about.
>>96813234Just use portable workshop bro
What's a method?
>>96813239>butts into a 3 post long conversation and still gets confused to the point of instantly contradicting his own argumentactually impressive, it usually takes a longer conversation than that
>>96813228Bro? Your Lotus Bomb?
>>96813244Completely wrong types of tools. Those are for RE crafting, not tech. Plus they are only high grade, not exceptional. You'd need very specific and exceptional tech tools to make a nuke.
>>96813236what is a stage 9-10 attack of a machineretard?>let me grab my dick gun and pew pew
Some of you would benefit from just a little restraint before jumping on bait and trolls.
>>96813260Machine method solves component supply problem, replicates components with RE
>>96813234nta but i know how to make a nuke in principle, and so can you within 20 minutes of googling it, you don't even need to get fancy with tritium boosting or fusion or anything, though obviously you can if you want tothe fiddliness is irrelevant as you just get around that by good techniquethe key materials are somewhat more difficult, but they aren't that hard to source for a cultivator>>96813244>>96813260you don't need the portable workshop in any build, it's a shit choice, you're either crafting in which case you have either lost legacy or the market and pocket dimension, or you're not doing crafting in which case you don't need it
>>96813251I was talking about Guardian specifically, retard. You just came up and started shitposting about your favorite GI. Accusing me of derailing the conversation when you were never in the rails in the first place is beyond retarded.
>>96813263Miniature black hole
>>96813165>Have you ever heard of refrigeration?Have you? Refrigeration as it is commonly used basically means first heating something up before making it exchange temperature for it to cool down. I won't get into specifics here but if you think you can realistically make a "freeze" weapon just because of your machines then you are an idiot. And don't suddenly say that you will use magic tech since the setting is magic because at that point it is the same as being a magic dude who can just do the same thing by waving his hands around, only less efficient.
>>96813274>makes wrong claim about there being anything except a single exception>movest the goalposts to the single exception to save face as if i don't have a 5 minute memory>tries to move goalposts away from the single exception and is again wrong on the basic argument as a resultyawn
The nuke is out of question in the first place. The machinefag needs to be able to resist it in the first place, as he would be in the radius of explosion. And if he can resist it, then its simply not that strongIf we start to talk about long distance weaponry, then he jobs at the gunfag that put a bullet in him that didn't exist until impact. The machine method would be a contender for worst method by virtue of its only strength being versatility, but everything it can do is weak compared to the real methods
>>968132771. Lol, no. He can't do that2. Even if he would be able to do that, he dies.Genuinely a dumb argument that shows its a bad method.
>>96813284there are ways to resist things that don't depend on toughnessfor example, you can just step into your lost legacy dimension a second before the nuke goes off
>>96813232Tech does literally all of that>B-but my fires are so hot that-A nuclear fireball can reach temps in the tens of millions of degrees, that's how hot the core of the fucking sun is. Modern Tokamaks and other nuclear fusion reactors meanwhile can produce temps of over 150 million C. Hell, most common industrial-use plasmas are 5500C, that's nearly the surface temp of the sun. Do you think the fire method can pull any of that off? Even basic bitch plasma guns (reminder that Machine specifically says it lets you create advanced technology) would be reaching Sun-level temperatures.>B-but my cold is so cold that-Modern tech can already make absolute zero and even freeze light, much less advanced scifi tech. Machine utterly RAPES all the other methods, only Forge can come close.
Anons can't into nuanceAnytime some retard feels like wanking a choice then it's either the absolute best choice in the cyoa or a dogshit trap option, no in-between
>>96813287if you need a GI to justify your method, your method is shit. With that logic every other enemy has something similar. It's a method vs method thing.
>>96813286>1. Lol, no. He can't do thatyou're way underestimating stage 10 here>>96813290look man, tech is a path to do more or less anything, but it's not the only one, hell the starting squiggle method is more flexible than the tech method already, and that's ignoring auxiliary techniques as a whole which outdo all methods put together
>>96813274Ignore the shitposters, anon. They will always ignore RAW and RAI to fellate themselves.
>>96813296you don't need a gi to teleport, it was just the simples example
>>96813284Isn't forge a lot more versatile, specially if you are a crafterfag? Artifacts seem to be able to do all sorts of weird bullshit that actual tech is utterly unable to do. You can also create artifact that have essentially the same effects of high tech but achieve it through more esoteric means. Even things like bombs and guns could be easily created. So I don't understand how machine is better than that for a crafterfag build.
>the tech chad just shapes the nuke into a directional xaser that outputs its entire energy into a beam so he can stand next to it no problemEZ
>>96813269Well that adds something above just the Auxilliary Master we were talking about and significantly changes things. You'd still have the materials bottleneck issue Machine is noted to have. Enriching uranium or plutonium is a bitch.>>96813270The fiddly bit I was mostly referring to is the enrichment process. But I'm curious where the hell you'd find enriched material as a cultivator. I doubt there'd be much of a market for it with cultivators as they seem to go for much more esoteric and RE infused materials.
Machine Transcendence uses sci-fi tech. Moreover it's a completely different power system from usual RE, meaning your opponents will have no idea what to expect. It's extremely strong, especially when you leave earth and evolve it to it's successor method.
>>96813311anon, tech IS artifacts>>96813313you don't need to find it enriched, that shit is only fiddly to a mortal, every stage you go up and every technique you learn to help your crafting makes it more and more trivial
>>96813313Ez, just raid Iran. They still have it sitting around somewhere
Honestly, the biggest problem will probably be trying to figure out a way to miniaturize all your sci-fi tech, since machine transcendence is based on augmentation
>>96813290>A nuclear fireball can reach temps in the tens of millions of degrees, that's how hot the core of the fucking sun is.that is weak stuff in xianxia. Unless you are also trying to argue the fire method is the strongest because it can go way higher.Remember that the machine guy will be source of the heat, it will need to be able to somewhat withstand the temperature, as its not a method can create things ex nihilo unlike the rest thats you need to know to see its not that strong.>Do you think the fire method can pull any of that off? And rather easily. The fire method can BURN IMMATERIAL THINGS LIKE ILLUSIONS and even BURN ETERNALLY. >Modern tech can already make absolute zero and even freeze lightWeak stuff, again. The freezing method's peak is not "absolute zero", its literally freezing and shattering time. It even says "freezing beyond physical limits" methods in general go beyond the limits of science, as you just read in the description.
>>96813290Fire can burn concepts and Ice can freeze time, retard. You might be able to replicate some of the effects but it won't be nearly as powerful. Inferno mogs you easily, Fated Shot pisses on your grave.
>>96813323>>96813324you can do all of those things without a method
>MACHINE TRANSCENDANCE SUCKS!!- anon before 0.01 seconds before the lotus bomb nuke
>>96813322Pocket dimensions and bags of holding exist, so you could probably figure out some spatial stuff>Void Body walks up to you and all your augments explode as your space manipulation fails
>>96813311in my opinion? the forge method is better, yes.>>96813316>anon, tech IS artifactsthe cyoa makes a difference between our earth's tech and artifacts, so no.
>>96813334Machine Transcendence is easily the strongest method against Void Body. You don't need to rely on RE in a fight.
machine lets you preform cosmogensis. its clearly the strongest
>>96813332>MACHINE TRANSCENDANCE RULES!!- anon 0.01 seconds being frozen in time
>>96813332>lotus bomb nukeBut anyone can make that. Especially with Auxiliary Master. Actually Skin-Shedding and Living Forge could make just as good of use as they could incorporate it into their bodies too.
>>96813316Your point is that machine is better than any other method, living forge included. Which I just don't think it's the case.
>>96813348>eslI simply overclock my neural circuits and move fast enough to counteract the time slow
>>96813332i don't think anyone was saying that it sucks, they were just saying that it doesn't trump everything else since everything else can also pull off shit like that>>96813336rake himself said tech is artifacts, they're just different ways of doing the same things, you aren't dealing with two power systems that are alien to each other>>96813341this is extreme cope, if you're coming at a re5 dude with an re1 tungsten bullet it'll have the consistency of a cappuchino to him and his techniques, you absolutely always need re in a fight against higher stage cultivators>>96813353you're mixing me up with the other guy, just because i like nukes doesn't mean i'm him
>they don't know about the Reality Anchors
>>96813332So you're arguing in favor of living forge now?
>>96813341the tech starts rejecting your body and you can power some of them
>>96813341Retard. All the shit you've shoved up your ass relies on RE to function.
>>96813362Rake should have been more specific than just "sci-fi tech" since you can probably find sci-fi tech that can also do all the esoteric bs anons keep mentioning if you look for it.
>>96813370No chance of rejection if you're 100% MACHINE and 0% FLESHAnd using RE to power your implants is a crutch, develop proper power systems like a miniature fusion reactor and you'll be fine.
>>96813355>esl>says the guy that said before 0.01 seconds before >I simply overclock my neural circuits and move fast enough to counteract the time slowthere is no time slow, you get frozein time. I know its hard to comprenhend for a techretard, but that means your time is stopped.
>>96813355Wouldn't overclocking your neural only make you think faster but not increase the maximum speeds or acceleration of your body? Sounds horrible being stuck in a slow-mo body. But uh, if they freeze time completely then even if you overclock infinitely, infinity times zero is still zero.
>>96813361>, if you're coming at a re5 dude with an re1What the fuck are you talking about? Who said anything about attacking a cultivator that's 5 stages ahead? You just pulled this scenario out of your crusty asshole.If your attacks aren't based on RE, they can't be dampened by Void Body.
>>96813394you said you don't need re to fight, that's what it amounts toif you are re5 and you are fighting an re5 opponent with an re1 bullet, you bullet will not contribute anything to the fight at allif your attacks aren't based on re, then they are only effective against mortals
>>96813380But if he was more specific we couldnt say machine can do literally anything
>>96813380You're forgetting that tech is notoriously stagnant in almost all the verses. There's a reason why people rather make magic swords than guns and bombs.
>>96813400retard alert
I no sell Time Freezes with my superior RE amount.
>>96813403you can already do anything without methods, obviously it's even easier to do anything with methods>>96813405i accept your concession
>>96813382esl-kun...>>96813388you could overclock your other shit tooEternal Frost Pages doesn't allow you to just freeze shit in time indefinitely for free. You get to do it briefly at best.
>>96813381>No chance of rejection if you're 100% MACHINE and 0% FLESH>the whole body starts malfunctioning and breaking aparteven worse lol>And using RE to power your implants is a crutch, develop proper power systems like a miniature fusion reactor and you'll be fine.this is why tech is the worse in cyoa, together with "undefined magic", the cyoa tells you, you need RE to power some tech, the anon just thinks "well, I will ignore that, the rules of this method are dumb, I will make tech to power the tech I need to power, and if a rule stops it I will stop reading"
>>96813404They use magic swords instead of guns and bombs because they are easier to make and maintain. You literally need a whole Method and probably Auxiliary Master and Lost Legacy on top to really take tech to its heights. If you just had the Method then you'd still need to actually study science and do all of >>96813234 to get anywhere. It's a lot easier to just follow a fire Method and burn niggas without all the prep
>>96813406it unironically does work like that, absolute attacks and absolute immunities from a stage below you are more like suggestions and from more than one stage down they're barely even there
>>96813400At re5 you can only resist small arms fire from re0 guns firing re0 bullets
>>96813417>Eternal Frost Pages doesn't allow you to just freeze shit in time indefinitely for free.you literally do for free with your body. The immortality method of that method is stopping your body in time, indefinitely, for free.And Eternal Frost Pages being able to stop time is the shit it does. You are just trying to put limits because your machine method obviously jobs to a real fighting method.
>>96813430that's the baseline passive of someone not using techniques and passive body refinementi'm talking about an actual fight where techniques are involved
>>96813400>>96813411>tech can NEVER EVER NEVER EVER EVER EVER NEVER beat an re2 cultivator!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!This is the most retarded thing I've read in months. I cannot fathom the depths of retardation one must achieve in order to arrive at this train of thought. Just reading it has crippled my cultivation and lowered my understanding of the Dao by a stage. Is this the legendary cognitohazard technique?
>it's another "tech can do whatever the fuck I want" discussion
>>96813438of course it can, you fucking moron, that's why you put re into your techdid you fail to notice how it's a cultivation method? what do you think that even means?
>re8 dies to artillerycultivators are jobbers
>>96813432>I didn't read the methodreadlet kun...
>>96813433Okay but this >>96813400>if your attacks aren't based on re, then they are only effective against mortalsis still nonsense if you don't have a body refining technique, and that's against normal bullets
>>96813417>Eternal Frost Pages doesn't allow you to just freeze shit in time indefinitely for free. You get to do it briefly at best.It actually doesn't say how long the time freezing lasts. Could be moments, could be eons depending on how strong the user is. But Machine doesn't allow you to overclock for free either, so I'm not sure why you are acting like overclocking would be an easy win.
>>96813430With any type of body refinement you can essentially ignore all that shit lolAlso just coat your body in RE, broYou DO have Third Eye, right?
>>96813445Tell me what part I didn't read. You are very bad at arguing your point.
>>96813452>It actually doesn't say how long the time freezing lastsit says briefly in the description>but Machine doesn't allow you to overclockif you're colder then you can overclock more
>>96813425This is just another reason why tech is the best path for (You). Fire cultivators are a dime a dozen, everybody knows and expects your techniques. But tech cultivators? Absolutely unheard of. You surprise everyone and always have the advantage of surprise
>>96813450again, i'm talking about an actual fight where techniques are being used and body refinement is in place, obviously an re5 cultivator who refuses to defend himself with his techniques and has not refined his body can still die to the r1 bullet, but it's still not a suitable means of attacking him if he is defending himself
>>96813440>tech can do whatever the fuck I want>magic can do whatever the fuck I wantchoose your retard fighter.
>>96813460>spoonfeed me!!
>>96813470Ok but RE is literally magic energy that can do anything
>>96813470>>96813440no, this guy's problem is that he thinks tech is separate from cultivation
>tech is the same as cultivation>BUT ARTIFACTS AREN'T TECHpick one
>>96813463>it says briefly in the descriptionyou mean the part of "freeze a single local moment in time and shatter it"? that is not the freezing limit, that is an example of an attack. And it's not about the limit of freezing time, for a time, but that the attack is freezing a moment, shattering it, and attacking with it. The method lets you stop your body infinitely
>>96813482while (some) artifacts are tech, those two aren't actually in contradiction by default, the same as how artifacts aren't alchemy
>>96813482I just jumped in this thread. Artifice is tech making as well as art making. You can’t separate art from tech. It’s impossible. No matter what you make there will be an essential art/design to it.
>>96813470Tech is worse because it should at least in theory rely on physical limits. Magic breaks physics over it's knee in most settings, but it usually has it's own set of limitations.
>>96813473>discombobulate
>>96813487>I just jumped in this thread.Only vetted /cyoag/ natives are allowed to post, shoo.
The true best option is still combining tech with auxiliary techniques to go beyond the limits of both, instead of being a dumbass purist
>>96813485>the same as how artifacts aren't alchemyMetallurgy and alchemy went hand in hand historically. Spiritually as well as physically. Sacred metals and such.
>>96813488>Tech is worse because it should at least in theory rely on physical limitsit doesn't, the moment it's made from an re1 material it's not mundane anymore, and including re flows for arbitrary effects doesn't stop it from being techwhere is this stupid idea that tech is mundane in a cultivation setting come from
>>96813463>it says briefly in the descriptionIt says that for intermediate. Later stages it throws out some fancy jargon the means "more or less permanent".>if you're colder then you can overclock moreOnly to a certain point. At extremely low temperatures physics starts getting.... fucky. And then Frost goes past physical limits.
Punching hard enough > everything else
>>96813498PREACH BROTHER
>>96813488>Magic breaks physics over it's knee in most settings, but it usually has it's own set of limitationsSo it’s not really breaking physics. Is it? It’s like saying breaking the sound barrier is breaking physics. If reality allows it…
>>96813473>uses the example of a mid stage cultivatorAre you, genuinely, handicapped mentally? That is an example of a MID TIER. This is like saying the plant guy can only heal minor injuries in seconds because that is what a low tier cultivator of the method can do.
>>96813492based >>96812826magitech elders will conquer heaven and earth
>>96813495>where is this stupid idea that tech is mundane in a cultivation setting come fromFrom the same morons that think cultivation/chi isn’t magic/mysticism.
>>96813503Begone Matterfag
>HE is hereI'm leaving.
>>96813503stop stinking up the thread
>>96813503Summoning a dog ex nihilo is very much physics breaking. Magic just plays over it's own set of rules. Disregarding metaphysics.
rake designed machine transcendence as a trap option
>>96813503the cyoa literally says a method can break physical limits. So it breaks physics.
>>96812633No, otherwise it would say so.>>96812890Its not a good question, its a way to beg for something clearly never intended.
>>96813520Like he designed Luminary's Tech as a trap option? It's time to face the brutal truth: Rake is a techfag
How do techfags manage to be the worst shitposters? It might be because cyoas as a medium aren't suited to sci-fi, or maybe matterheroine is just samefagging again.
>>96813520The only trap option is Heaven-Blessed, which is game losing tier.
>>96813520nah, i'm using it and i'm not a trapelectro-mechanical magitech + magical material magitech + sqiggly line magitech is kino
Machine Transcendence + Path of Metamorphosis = WetwareMachine Transcendence + Writhing Swarm + Dick Devourer = Gray Goo
>>96813530
Why can't anons be normal about options they didn't pick? It's not even a multiplayer cyoa, so why does pvp matter so much they have to cope about their picks being the strongest/whatever they didn't pick being a dogshit trap option?
>>96811066>>96811072I tried to make the fastest character possible.Name:TachyonMethods:Prismatic Radiance ManuscriptTempestuous Rifts CodexBlessings:Weapon God Physique (Knives)Heaven-BlessedIron WillWarhoundElemental Roots (Light)InnovativePeerless ProdigyTreasures:Communication TalismansGolden VesselOmni-CompassPower ConcealerBerserker PillsGrand Inheritance:OversoulCompanions:Wandering SwordswomanCassianEvents:Treasure HuntComplication:ValuableEmpatheticSaving FaceMy goal was to create the fastest character possible, and therefore the best character possible. I will traverse reality at the speed of light, righting wrongs, defending the weak, and battling evil.
>>96813534you need machine and forge to be a nanoswarm
>he doesnt have Machinesorry anon, you're not in the group. we're going to kill you and turn you into an artifact
>>96813536everything that I picked is game breakingly strongeverything that I didn't pick is a trap option
Opinions on Bone-Scrivened Talismanic Transcribe?
>>96813536he was enraged that everyone was disagreeing about something that seemed obvious to him yet on closer inspection he just misunderstood a basic assumption (tech isn't an alternative to cultivation, it's just another form of cultivation)
Crazy how fantasy cyoas tend to be better for techfag builds than sci-fi cyoas. You'd never find the kind of things fantasy cyoas give techfags in a sci-fi cyoa.
>>96813537No Eternal Frost?
>>96813518>Summoning a dog ex nihilo is very much physics breakingNope. It happened.
Ladies, ladies! You all job to unbound causality.
>>96813545it's a body refining method with broad utility, very similar to machine transcendence, except using a different auxiliary techniquethe two combine well, but it's not a necessary combination
>>96813527The whole discussion was about how exactly the Guardian is stronger than you, because when you factor in everything, it doesn't really make sense. I wasn't begging for anything, in fact, I didn't even use that GI on my build. It's limitations where just interesting to me. As it stands it's probably one of the worst GIs, but I guess things like Karmic Alignment exist.
>>96813524The same way planes can break the sound barrier. Yes. You use physics to “break” physics. You think the fire a wizard conjures isn’t fire? Sometimes I’m shocked by the intellect of this place.
Every Grand Inheritance makes you +1 stage strongersuch is the word of rake
>>96813536>Why can't anons be normal
>>96813568sure, they just don't add together, having two of them only makes you 1.1 stages stronger
>>96813545It feels weird because there are better synergies for a caster build and better synergies for a craftfag build, and craftfag builds already want 2 GIs, so HCF is a tougher sell.
>>96813568Your Jobber Physique ensures you'll lose anyway.
>>96813548That’s because high artifice was seen as the realm of wizardry for thousands of years, all the way back to the ancient Greeks. This gap bridging technology allows in such periods (antiquity, etc) is more advantageous than in a setting that’s already saturated with the artificial.
>>96813568why is that not explained in the CYOA? why the misleading narrative?
>>96813545Thematically I love it.
>>96813579Depends on the GIs, some combos could totally make you punch 2 stages higher.
>>96813545insane synergy with machine transcendence
>>96813585talismanic is a form of body refining, you're not a pure caster with it>>96813596because it's obvious by xianxia genre conventions
>>96813545Nigh mandatory for crafters.
>>96813548Because they use magical bullshit to justify "tech" doing literally anything. As long as they have to face the limits tech usually has, the illusion falls apart.
>>96813585Machine + Forge + Talismanic is too good of a combo to not take it if you already have two of them, so HCF is not a hard sell there at all.
>>96813613>Because they use magical bullshit to justify "tech" doing literally anythingSounds like regular sci fi to me. They just don’t use words like “magic”.
if you take pocket dimension and machine transcendence, you can summon a mech every time you fight
>>96813613Sci-fi cyoas already tend to have stuff that ignore those limits, they just don't let you do the same
>>96813613you're the only one who assumed tech is limited to mundane real world stuff, everyone else just saw it and thought star trek + levels of tech>>96813620you can do that without those two choices too
>>96813537The same thing with mentor ring is faster
>>96813616How are you even supposed to reconcile Machine and Forge? One wants you to slowly calcinate into a statue, the other wants you to remove parts to replace with machines. Aren't they mutually exclusive?
>>96813566breaking the sound barrier is not breaking physics lol, breaking physics would be being quicker than light. Breaking the sound barrier is something we see even in natureI love dumb people that read a line of "science" and now they think they are smart.
>>96813592You fool the jobber physique is transmitted by defeating a user of it now there are even more jobbers
machine + akashic be likehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJLhnts9-oQ
am I the only one that doesn't understand in full what the fuck CC options/choices are supposed to do half the time? im reading it alright, but i just dont fully understand
>>96813633Machine doesn't remove body parts, it integrates stuff into your existing body.
>>96813633that's incredibly easy, you're just making the cybernetics out of the proper magical materials as you go and both methods are satisfiedit's up to you if you want to do most of the forge stuff outside or inside your body, actually building the cybernetics with the magical materials or integrating it first and reforging it later, it really doesn't matter as long as it has your re in it and counts as youit's similar when you add talismanic to it
>>96813636>breaking physics would be being quicker than lightNah. That’s called a successor theory. We already speculate on how this could be done. We know from Bell’s inequalities that there are precise moments in the quantum realm that react FTL. Reality cannot be both real or local. One of these is untrue. “Spooky action at a distance”. >Breaking the sound barrier is something we see even in natureIf anything happens - no matter how absurd - then it’s nature. Physics deals with what is real.
>>96813566How come a techfag like you doesn't know shit about physics?
>>96813645your xianxia knowledge is lacking, many such cases, try not to get into dumb arguments like the tech anon from before who has a similar problem
>>96813657Why are you projecting? :^)
>>96813657There's a reason we stopped calling him Physicsfag.
>>96813657A techfag isn't actual IRL tech fag it's more like being a scififag
>>96813657Why do you get so triggered when someone corrects you?
>>96813662and a xianxia is what?
>>96813633Forge is straight up stronger, specially on the mid to high levels. The biggest advantage Machine has is that it gives you intuitive knowledge of tech. But if you have AT as a GI that doesn't matter, Forge is still much stronger.
It's actually kind of fascinating. So many anons are lost without the requisite genre knowledge. The same thing would happen if you brought the Tokienslop/DnDslop/WoWslop genre in front of someone who's never seen it before, yet almost everyone here gets that.
>>96813662I hope you'll all eventually realize that none of this matters, every other dao exists to glaze the sword dao. If you didn't go for a sword autist build then you're doomed to job so a sword autist can aura farm. Only the sword dao can transcend all!
>>96813657he evolved from physicsfag, to matterfag, to matterhero, to matterheroine.That the thread ended up evolving to find him a waifu for how dumb he is, should tell you enough
Reminder that Xianxia was hijacked by martial fags in China butthurt that commies with guns btfo their precious Shaolin monks. The word ‘Xian’ translates more into caster-ish meanings than martial ones.
>>96813674a genre of chinese fantasy with pretty different base assumptions and tropes compared to western fantasy, kind of vaguely based on daoism, the most crucial part of it is cultivation, if you ever see something with cultivators going up through tiers while huffing powdered tiger penis it's at least partially xianxia
If you didn't take Lowly Junior then you are utterly fucked.
>>96813687>xianxia is just fanfiction for martials seething over gunchad supremacypretty funny
>>96813686Your deflection has always been adorable anon.
>>96813691Don’t listen to her idiot.
>>96813690>Afraid of courting deathYou're no true protagonistHand over those blessings
CYOAG is the embarrassment of TG.
>>96813708Yeah I know it’s like a kids classroom. But there’s no teacher to be found. And the kids are really just retarded people.
>>96813708all of /tg/ is the embarrassment of /tg/
>>96813694>she is still mad about it
>>96813718i mean that's not really juts this threadand it's not really just this boardand it's not really just this websiteand it's not really just the internet
>>96813688>huffing powdered tiger penis it's at least partially xianxiaThey still do this in China today except it doesn’t give you cool powers
>>96813593When will we ever return to this? Fiction that remembers this is so scarce these days
>>96813730Anons today get angry if you point out that science fiction is a form of fantasy. So no. We can’t go back.
>>96813729that's the cultural context where natural treasures in xianxia come from, it's kind of gross when you think about the covid bat soup they're eating over there is what the peerless treasures of immortality in xiaxia actually are
>>96813676One of the main benefits of Machine over Forge is the endpoint. The Golden Reactor a power source that can rebuild your body, as where Forge's endpoint is shapeshifting. There is probably some higher level method above that would go nanomachines route to get shapeshifting. Forge doesn't grant any healing power itself, and the ability to create and incorporate power sources with Forge is questionable. In a straight fight I figure Forge wins most of the time, but Machine has more utility.
>>96813657"Adoration is the furthest thing from understanding"
i also like how in china the exemplar of metals is gold while in the west it's iron
>>96813755i'd say just combining the two methods already has you go nanoswarm
>>96813762Iron is the backbone of industry, the techchads metal.Gold is ornamental and focused on appearance, the martialcucks metal.
lotus bomb drone swarm
>>96813762It's because the main word in chinese for metal is the word for gold.
>>96813803>>96813815it's frivolity and face versus practical utility, it just feels so appropriate
>>96813535Internet problems, sorry.
>>96813823It's okay, anon. You've failed me for the last time.
>>96813762Iron is nothing special in China, they've had cast iron since like 400BC. The west didn't get cast iron until 1500AD.
>>96813776By the time you hit the peak for the two you almost certainly would be, unless you were really bad at combining your methods.
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>>96813440Techfag is underage and watched Rick and Morty, please understand.
>>96813838calling cast iron iron is retarded because steel has more iron in it than cast iron does
>machine transcendenceew, don't you know tech has limits? trap option>living forgeOH MY ANCESTORS! THIS IS TRULY A TRANSCENDENTAL TECHNIQUE WITH NO PEER!!
>>96813838>had cast iron over 1000 years before westoids did>had blast furnaces before westoids did>had gunpowder before westoids did>did fuck all with it until westoids took their inventions and killed them with itHow could China fumble this so hard
>>96813843
>>96813857
>>96813866
>>96813867it's truesteel: 0.05 to 0.15% carboncast iron: 1.8 to 4% carbon
>>96813881
>>96813892okay, post more pepeshere, i'll do another one of mine:ummm ackshually, iron was first used in the middle east
>>96813877
>>96813865>chinaHigh populationIsolationistMore or less unified (by this time period)Big earthen walls (gunpowder artillery ineffective)Mobile armies>europeLow populationEasy dissemination of ideasHighly fragmentedStone wall fortifications (gunpowder artillery effective)Stationary forcesIf Chinese wasn't a character based language, I unironically think they'd have gotten a lot further than they did.
>>96813916nah, their worship of tradition held them back, it's not a surprise that they needed to wreck most of that tradition to get out of their rut
>>96813755You can incorporate power sources into Forge with Perfect Conduit or may even use a secondary method like ACIT or Codex to power anything tech related you graft onto yourself. You may even create an artifact with that explicit function(powering other things), dodging the power source issue entirely. Forge essentially allows you to keep stacking artifacts into yourself without limit, while the method can be used to refine and improve incorporated artifacts. The sheer versatility of it is completely insane, and it's more esoteric nature means you need to jump through less hoops to integrate new stuff within yourself.
>>96812973>something like PE could make you stronger than your GuardianNo it would not, guardian is always 10x stronger than you. Primordial essence buffs your to be able to fight effectively 1 stage above your real stage meaning your guardian can fight 2 stages above. The only exception to this is stuff like dharma weapon since they do not technically boost you and are a weapon you wield. You can however give said weapon to the guardian which will make it scale off of them.
>>96813865They kept losing the mandate of heaven
>>96813907
if you use perfect Conduit, you can use technological methods to power yourself instead of/in addition to RE
>>96813939
>>96813942no, because technology is also using re after it leaves stage 0, you're just creating another machine method
>>96813069What discord is this from? Where cann I join?
>>96813956because [HEADCANNON]
>just one build took Thousand Venom
>>96813803Based Colonel. I'm a sucker for Knock and Moth tho.
>>96813979Poison arts are almost invariably for jobbers.
>>96813961Only massive homosexuals are allowed in, so... go right ahead.
>>96813979i took it too but i didn't post it
>>96813979Every cultivator worth his salt with make countermeasures specifically to fuck you. In fact, some methods have built in anti poison measures. Basically, it's the jobber option.
>>96814006Real and true, poisonfags deserve nothing
>>96814006>>96814018nah, it's venom that infiltrates re and works entirely metaphysically at some point, not even another venom texts user is going to be immune against your venoms if they're the same stageit's actually one of the ways to force deviations that none of the defenses against them really block anymore like they did in the first version of the cyoa, so in some theoretical pvp scenario the method is stronger than ever
>>96813979It's funny, I remember reading Return of the Mount Hua Sect and the protagonist basically tanks all the poisons of one of the Tang Clan elders and essentially uses them to ascend in stage. At a certain point of power and skill it's implied that your control over Qi and your own natural bodily functions is so great you can essentially use poison as materials to boost your cultivation. So yes, some the other anons are right, poison arts are for jobbers.
>>96814035In general there are two things that make up reality in xianxia, energy the protagonist can absorb, and energy the protagonist will be able to absorb later in the story.
>>96813694Thanks for confirming it's you.
>>96814028ACIT can just burn your shit, Frost can freeze it in time, Codex can shift outside reality to dodge it, verdant can just regenerate from it, Titan can tank it, Forge can refine it into a pill, and so on.
>>96813979I saw more than one, there were at least three with it.I had an idea for one but I decided to go for something else for the build I posted.
>>96814069yes, like the fire or gun methods it's an offensive method, obviously it doesn't have very good defenses if its own, except for the fact that it's body refining, that's why you pair it with a defensive method, same principle as if you took the fire or gun methodit makes up for the lack of defense with spoopy levels of offense though
>>96814035Return of the Mount Hua Sect is not even a xianxia
>>96814006If u take perfect guardian they will have anti-anti-poison method making all of their jobber countermeasures useless.
>>96814100you don't need anything special to get through lesser venom countermeasures, nobody is trivially curing the central point of an entire method, even if you have something like verdant and celestial that both focus on healing you'll still struggle at least for a while to get the re poison out of yourself
>>96813931PE makes you twow stages stronger than your actual stage.As it makes you cultivate slower (1 stage lower than you woul be) yet it makes you go stage higher in strange than you would be without it.So a 5 stage without PE, would lose to a stage 4 that has it (and its stage 4 because he has it).So it raises your potential 2 stages
>>96814109Perfect Conduit counters your cowardly faggot ass
>>96814110no, a stage 4 pe and a normal stage 5 would be evenly matched everything else being equalif it helps, the amount of extra time you spend cultivating with pe is not nearly as much as being in a higher stage would be, so you're still faster in stage 4 than the stage 5 is in his own stage
>>96814120perfect conduit doesn't help you with poisons, idiot, it makes you unable to be possessed and stops pill overdose to become poisonous, it doesn't stop poisons themselves.
>>96814006You have immunity for common and non magical venoms. Those of a specialized cultivator would still fuck you up depending on relative strength and the type of poison.
>>96814098I know it's not chinese, but the entire genre of korean cultivation slop is derived from xianxia in the end, no? It has basically all of the same points.
>>96814122no, you are stronger.
>>96814120lol noand all my methods in that build are body refining, getting up close and personal is the point
>>96814084all body refining methods by the nature of body refining have superior defenses.
>>96814148your capabilities exceed your peers, the people in the same stage as you, not people above your stage, dummy>>96814157venom is a body refining method
>>96814129>>96814133If used in combination with something like ACIT that can burn your poison away or Forge that can refine it, or even Verdant that can heal you from it, it most certainly will be a lot less effective than what you're trying to portray. Just accept that only jobbers use poison and pick a real method, so we can all move on.
>>96814164lagging behind your peers, means being 1 stage lower. Your peers would be someone that starts more or less at the same time.If you and me start cultivating at the same time, we are peers, if PE essense makes me go 1 stage lower, we are still peers.Otherwise PE is literally useless but at the very end, as it makes you go 1 stage lower and just be overall as strong, while other GI makes you simply go 1 stage up.
>>96814133>>96814129Conduit works specifically against Malignant RE, no?
>>96814174verdant is the closest to a direct counter for venoms and it would still need to work for it, everything else is cope>>96814180no it doesn't, you can lag behind your peers while in the same stage, in fact you have to because they aren't your peers otherwise
>>96814181malignant RE is natural RE that cultivators shouldn't absorb, not posion from the poison method. Otherwise all techniques of enemies are "malignant RE" and perfect conduit is immune to every technique with RE
>>96814190>no it doesn't, you can lag behind your peers while in the same stage, in fact you have to because they aren't your peers otherwiseyou are retarded and you are starting to repeat yourself. PE lets you fight two stages up, as you lafg behind your peers (1 stage lower) but win against them (1 stage higher).I am also sure Rake already answered this in the first version. But I don't want to search it, just stop being retarded, PE is useless otherwise
Physics kike reminds me of that one adult that tries to force his son to learn how to invest and do taxes on his tenth birthday. “No you will not go play slip and slide with your friends outside, and you will definitely not pretend to be a knight slaying dragons again. That stuff isn’t real.”
>>96811066Malevolent Growth>methodsPath of MetamorphosisThousand Venom TextsVerdant Heartwood Sheaves>blessingsDecentralized OrgansThird EyePerfect ConduitIron WillInnovativePeerless ProdigyDeceitful TricksterMastermindLowly Junior>treasuresPower ConcealerEssence FurnaceSpliced TreeLotus BombHunting Grounds>grand inheritanceHeavenly Conqueror FoundationAll-Consuming Devourer PhysiqueVoid Body>companionsTriffilMono, Eye-Friend>eventsUnstable RiftsHive QueenThe Creeping RotPlace of PowerCorrupted Zone>complicationsDeviated FormMalevolent AuraDoomsayerUninhibited PowerLonelyFinger-Licking GoodCourting DeathLonelyToad Lusting After A SwanAn unknown lifeform appearing on a backwater realm. A growth of gnarled roots and creaking limbs creeping across space, ever expanding, infecting more and more of the three thousands worlds. It's existence is caustic to reality itself, absorbing RE and destroying the cultivation of all that approach it. Beasts and creatures of lesser intelligence are attracted to its poisoned fruits, providing it with more and more essence to feed on. Moreover, attempts to cull the growth have proved ineffective - it displays incredible regenerative and adaptive ability. This infection may one day consume all of existence.Threat level: LOWSend a junior to deal with it. I'm busy dual cultivating with jade beauties.
>>96814200If you can fight 2 stages above you with PE then guardian will be 3 stages above you.
>>96814190ACIT is specifically stated to be able to burn poison, explain to me how that's cope. If used in combination with Perfect Conduit that allows you to absorb malignant RE you can use poison as material for cultivation.
>>96814203LOL why are you such a bitch
>>96814200you are categorically wrong from the level of explicit authorial intent and up, you aren't going to weasel around the text just by being persistentALL grand inheritances make you one stage stronger in their context, if you think this makes pe bad then you're reading the "downside" wrong, and you're saying the equivalent of "getting to stack more explosives than everyone else doesn't make a big boom because you have to go get more explosives first :("
conduit prevents any kind of rejection btwinsane combo with Machine Transcendence
>he’s still seething about real life
>>96814203Physicsbro is ensuring his children don't grow up to be a poorfag like you. That's infinitely more rewarding than playing on the slide.
>>96814223PE>Makes you 1 stage lower>Makes you 1 stage higherYou stay the same. And what you said in >>96814190>you can lag behind your peers while in the same stageis wrong in this case. Rake already said you would be at least 1 stage lower
>>96814145>is derived from xianxia in the end, no?no, its Wuxia. slightly different with a lower power ceiling and a lot more focused on martial arts.
>>96814191Readlet
>>96814211it's cope because the poison you're dealing with is infecting through your own re channels, not any external or physical place fire can reachperfect conduit is also irrelevant for this discussion, you aren't trying to cultivate with the venom or if you are trying to do that then you're conceding the fight i guess
>>96814246dummy
gunfags are annoyingswordfags are annoyingmartialfags are annoyingdevourerfags are annoyingvoidfags are annoyingtechfags are annoyingwho is the least annoying fag here?
>>96814264fagfags
>>96814230>noooo you can’t have fun with your imagination noooo
>>96814238all of the grand inheritances improve you by one stage, nominally lagging behind is irrelevant because you're putting that power to work, it's not empty cultivation for no reason, it's fruitful cultivation that makes you stronger
>>96814267Not true, fagfags can't stop talking about homosexual rape
>>96814264why are voidfags annoying? are you scared of the void?
>>96814279with your version of PE, PE doesn't. When you would be Stage 3, you are still 2, and can fight stage 3... so the difference is... none. There is no difference between having or not that bloodline. If a GI makes you imrpove by one stage, but also makes you go 1 stage lower, you stay overall at the same level of power than if you didn't have it.It's the simplest 1-1=0 in existence.
>>96814238>benefits more than make up for it>even while you lag behind your peers in cultivation, *your capabilities will exceed them*readlet
>>96814254>Inferno can explicitly burn poison, and it can also burn even more immaterial things at higher levels>"NOOOO NOT MY POISON, MY POISON IS SUPER SPECIAL"Retard, my RE channels are inside my body, which means I can burn it up. You should at least concede the fact that ACIT counter your bitch ass method.
>>96814291>void makes the guy 10 stages above me my level and I winit is annoying and wrong
>>96814230Stop sucking her off.
>>96814297if you can't properly read the discussion, don't enter the discussion. I am arguing that PE's benefits make up for it, because it should raise your stage 2 levels, as it also lwoers your stage by one level. The other guy is arguing you overall stay at the same level that if you didn't have it.
>>96814300only verdant is a real counter because only verdant is used for healing your metaphysical organs, and verdant itself is not specialized for that in particular while venom very much is, so it's still at a disadvantage>>96814304oh, mention that part then>>96814293i still disagree but if you're so sure about this go ask rake about it
>>96814304Void body and dharma weapon wins against stage gorillion because it brings them to my stage and dharma weapon makes me invincible against people my stage. Meaning you are invincible to everyone in the setting.
>anons are so scared of me they're downplaying venoms nowDon't worry anon, i'm sure you will be a worthy fight.
>he didn't cultivate the heavenly burgin qingmi
>>96814317>oh, mention that part thenwhat... part?
>>96814336You mean Heavenly Burgin' RE.
>>96814333>took Cassian as his nemesis fag
>>96814339>>void makes the guy 10 stages above me my level and I win
>>96814345>anon cowers before superior cassian annihilator buildsNgmi
Which method lets you win at comedy clubs the most?
>>96814381venoms, just drug them into hilarity
>>96814348thats... not in the cyoa, its something void fags say, which makes them annoying. You had a brain fart.
https://imgchest.com/p/qb4z5n9nl4j
Primordial Essence > DevourerThere. I said it.
Is there any GI users more feared than the VoidGODS?
>>96814388i just pointed out which part you need to point out dummy
burger devouring scripture slams
Primordial is a trap option
>>96814317Decentralized Organs shits all over you.
>>96814404I am simply not understand if you wanted me to point out that in the cyoa, which obviously is not there, or point out someone in the thread with that opinion, which is also dumb because the thread is full of those posts. In both ways its simply not something logical to say
unbound causality destroys everything
>>96814412Explain to me how is the bloodline of beings who have a literally universal power level, a trap option? I'm genuinely curious.
>>96814431>universal level jobbersthey jobbed.
>>96814400True. Primordial Essence is the best bloodline, it obviously wins against Dick Devourer, that is only searching for weakers crumbs.
>>96814388It's technically in the cyoa, but Rake states that it doesn't work like that outside the cyoa text and that its just flower language. So if you go full death of the author you could interpret it as lowering a stage 10 guy to your level
>>96814418You're just slightly harder to poison
Everyone is just pretending when they act like anything besides Lost Legacy is the best, right?Surely no one actually thinks so.
>>96814433They fucked so much and spreaded their bloodline so much (but weaker, as nobody can withstand their power) that they died drowning in pussy.
>>96814444>jobber legacyngmi
>>96814433Their descendants literally rule over the first world, which you are also one if you picked PE.
>>96814449>Their descendantsTranslation: the originals jobbed and now their great great great great great great (etc) grand kids rule over the scraps
Is there a reason I cannot pick dick devourer as my primordial bloodline?
>>96814449You would be better than the descendants, bloodline wise.Primordial Essense: oldest bloodlinesThe descendants of those bloodlines > impure and weaker bloodlines. Just like your kids won't have PE, just a lower version, unless you pick purebreed and pick 1 wife
>imperial heritage>primordial essence>oversoulYou DID absorb the soul of an ancient dragon cultivator, right anon?
>>96814418the first version's did, this one's was nerfed and is not relevant against deviation-inducing venoms anymorethere isn't really any strong defense against the worst parts of thousand venoms texts anymore, the only effects that directly counteract deviations are about how to not cultivate badly and induce them yourself, not about protecting you or recovering from them after they've been induced by an external force, with the partial exception of verdant heartwood
>>96814462dragons are the ultimate jobbers
>tech wank is finally over>now anons are wanking poisonI wonder if that will happen for every single method lol
>>96814456you need to click it harder
>>96814462No you aborbed soul of a primordial faggot which compels you to pick Cassian as nemesis
>>96814473It already has
>>96814475Bro the cassian nemesis builds really mindbroke you huh
>>96814462
>>96814473Akashic ascension is the best one
>>96814475Anon you don't have to be so scared of cassian raping you, he's not that strong of a nemesis
>>96814444Well it is the best as there is nothing that can trump a x10 cultivation speed and free resources to further speed up your cultivation who cares about being stronger in the same tier if you can just be several tiers above everyone. I kinda hate the stages system as it's almost just simplifies everything to bigger number wins.
>>96814462>Dragonweak energy>Tigerstrong energy
>>96814473Earth Titan plus Dharma Weapon are the best
>he thinks sitting in his pocket realm is the fastest way to cultivatengmi nigga
>>96814487not really, most of the fights should be happening in the same stage, fighting across stages is really rare
>>96814456devourer is not a primordial bloodline, its a physique.
>>96814462Why pick Heritage for a bloodline you already have a PE for? Just pick something that compliments your build.
Manipulate high level clans into fighting with eachother. Eat the corpses of high level cultivators. Advance your cultivation at blinding speeds.
>>96814498What stops you from killing everyone else if you are 1 stage above the 2nd strongest person in your world?
>>96814509it does complement it, pe gives the instincts and biology, heritage gives the upbringing and education built around that instinct and biology
>>96814504Interesting distinction because skin-shedding can copy physiques, so couldn't you do something like copy a slightly weaker version of cassians physique on top of primordial essence and such?
>>96814514Nothing. Demonic path chads eat good.
>>96814508No one would EVER pick right
>>968145081. what does this have to with anything?2. Wada does not deserve Yamamoto
>>96814498Why is that? Just crush the weaker enemy before it becomes a threat
>>96814514>>96814520that's how you get a competent version of marie su on your ass
>>96814525moralfags are the biggest jobbers in Xianxia
>>96814517Both give techniques though and it's implied that Heritage also gives you bloodline related stuff, it just isn't anywhere near as powerful as a PE.
>>96814524because if you try to do that then somone else will do it to youbesides, how would they become a threat to you when you're the main hypertalent for a million universes in any direction?
>>96814538Just stack it with your pe, its not that complex
>>96814538It's complementary. In the prior version both were redundant with each other so Rake wanted to change it.
>>96814538they don't give you the same stuff if you don't want them to
>>96811066my fourth build>Methods:>Path of Metamorphosis>Skin-Shedding Scripture>Writhing Swarm’s CanticleThe ever-changing and ever-evolving, always adding new mutations and hosting new organisms, then rebirthing to fully integrate these developments. Even within a cycle or two I won’t be fully human anymore, instead transfiguring to better, purer, more complex forms.>Blessings:>Imperial AncestryAs my corpse-body was reborn, such a renewal unlocked a potential within me I never could have reached while alive, the persistence of life on earth, always improving over generations to fit the environs species find themselves in, purest adaptation.>Decentralized OrgansThe most basic of evolutions, removing the body’s weaknesses in having centralized functions. I will breathe through my skin and digest in my legs, and I shall have eyes and ears in place none would think to look.>Iron WillI have died once before; nothing before or since can compare to that ceaseless nil of sensation and consciousness. Anything that wishes to control me in mind, in body, in fate, would have to push past that existential chasm.>Perfect ConduitThe combination of my resurrected state and Methods of choice make it a simple process to integrate any and all sources of energy and corruptive influence, simply developing new mutations that process it, welcoming creatures into my body that thrive off it, then being reborn anew with these strengths seamlessly fused with myself.>False DeathThere is a surprising amount of life in death, from decomposition and fungi that feed off such processes, to insects and parasites that consume the remaining flesh; as I found myself in such a state, I became all of that life and more. I cannot be killed in a way that matters, both as I possess decay within myself as an extant form of life, and more simply that you cannot kill what is already dead and gone.
>>96814525If you have seventh sense, heaven blessed, deceitful trickster and lowly junior. You will never have to fight anyone u dont want especially if u have another method like shadow spirit sutra. Meaning you can exclusively farm low tiers from your vermellion verses with 0 issues
>>96814569>Treasures:>Totem of RebirthI have been reborn once, and my Methods are a continuous series of little rebirths from now unto the end of time; what is one more, fiat-backed resurrection to add to the pile?.>Abandoned Beast (Fusion of dragon and atlas beetle)A companion in evolution, though this one was forced upon it while I pursue it wholeheartedly. As partially an insect, while it may be too big to fully integrate, it is able to bond and feed on my body and be enhanced by doing so, my very presence empowering it further.>Training ArrayChange is a process that never halts, and thus in periods of rest and respite, I may use this to ever work towards my unobtainable goal, facing off against improbable foes and dangerous enemies that may not fully harm me, but are entirely capable of fuelling my adaptive instincts.>Market TicketThe one place where I may sell the products of hunting and byproducts of my mutations with little prejudice and disgust, as even my transformed body is far from the strangest the market has ever seen.>Hunting GroundsJust as the training array can fuel my evolution against cultivating opponents, my hunting grounds provide me plenty sport against the primal beasts of the multiverse, while also giving me room to harvest materials I can integrate with myself, and potentially finding new species and parasites to host within my flesh.>Grand Inheritances:>Heavenly Conqueror FoundationTouching the void of death and returning to tell the tale has opened my soul to better contain and utilize RE as said energy is what caused my initial revival; this effectively makes my existence fundamentally and foundationally of RE, and that only improves as I mutate and evolve and am progressively reborn.>Primordial EssenceI have inherited the legacy of the prototypical Chimaeras, those who first harnessed evolution’s power in their grasping appendages, transcending their forms as they integrated all they encountered.
>>96814579>Companions:>HirakWe are siblings, of a sort: while he has inherited a superior evolution, I seek said evolution in my every word and deed. While he may stay the elder for a time, I will eventually surpass his natural power with my own.>Dr. NalkaAs an existence of constant renewal, as long as he doesn’t touch my Womb of Rebirth, he is free to muck about in my ever-adapting and mutating form as long as he is willing to risk the creatures nesting within me retaliating, or my body outright evolving to resist his tools; when I am reborn again, anything he took will be restored, and any changes he made will be purified and integrated better than he could have done alone.>Events:>Hive QueenThis primal queen is family in all but name; her armies are an equal match to my inner biomes. Where she breeds and expands outward, I integrate inwards, likely even enthralling her drones and adding them to my own body. I am sure we will become fast friends.>The Creeping RotI find an odd kinship with the decay taking over these mortals’ bodies; I will gladly take communion, and through rebirth cleanse the taint of their fungal god while adding its strength to mine own. Through this melding, stopping the ritual will be as simple as entering the proceedings and claiming the power for myself - by the time the cultists realize what I have done it will be too late, and their god will decompose within me.>Corrupted ZoneThis is what my Methods were made for! It will be plain and simple to adapt to the hostile environs and absorb the corruption to make myself stronger, enhancing and accelerating my mutations. Once the fallen is destroyed, I will use their corpse as a chrysalis to harness the power they have infused into their territory.>The HordeAs a fellow undead, they will ignore me as I slaughter them to the last, and add the rot and decay that infests them to my body. Any gratitude I gain is secondary to the materials the horde provides my advancement.
>>96813979>>96813985>>96814018Our femboy jobber... has returned...
>>96814571RoadhogJunkratWinston
>>96814585>Profundity in ViolenceA land of flesh and plant fused and mutated down to the atomic level, a truly alien biome so interconnected it could reasonably be called a superorganism of its own, if it wasn’t for the lack of its master effectively inducing braindeath, leaving its constituent parts to live and fight amongst each other. A realm so inducted into the principles of adaptation and evolution are a perfect playground to improve myself.>Complications:>Deviated FormBy the end of it all, I will be labeled as no better than the other beasts beasts and monsters that roam the world, an abhorrent abomination that no-one would say had ever been human.>Minotaur’s LairAdversity is what will kickstart my evolution, as the released abominations fight, I will model myself after the victors.>Hero’s JourneyJust as my body constantly evolves, my life is a mirror of endless change, and I will welcome the perpetual chance to better my self and body.
I hate this general. You all waste so much space. Make a separate general for this shit. Fuck.
>>96814588The newest build has more big dick energy than over half of the others.
>>96814585>Wants to breed the Hive QueenRake would be proud
>>96814545That only works if some balance of power is established Earth is going trough a tumultuous period where no dominant power.If some nobody is rising up outside of the established structure of power you have to crush them to maintain status quo. Minimizes damage.
>>96814581Wow, this is so good!I love Ice. Smug is the best personality trait.
>>96814611Disgusting Gil shit EW gross SICK
>>96814581Need dark gf elemental.
>>96814581I guess Nature because Yandere implies I will fuck her
>>96814611Where is the ntr gil page?
>>96814574>choosing the trap optionYou're FUCKED.
>>96814581Got to be Magma
>>96814581Mystic, gimme cute retard gf
>>96814697she is not your gf, she will cuck you.
>>96814697You actually get the other 9 as gf's, you will cuck her
>>96814658is there one?
Trap options aren't real.
>>96814722since that cyoa, I don't trust gil cyoas, there is always a ntr page
>>96814755Imagine if youre correct, and gil just keeps secret NTR pages for literally all of his cyoa
>>96814754who is the best wife? sex wise.
>>96814390>Premier:Style: PragmaticCredential: Landslide ElectionTraits: Incompetent Administrator, Capricious, Demanding, Healthy Paranoia>Tasks:Anti-Corruption Campaign, Great Economic Advancement, Election of Authority>Objective:Depose>Position:War Hero>Threats:Nemesis (The Judge), Foreign Interference, Re-Education Camps>Purge:Level 1: Subtle>Advantages:Sleeper Agents, Unknown Quantity>Key Allies:The General, The Spy>Support:The Army+, Intellectuals, International AlliesI have supreme military power. Assassinating me is virtually impossible. Assassinating the Premier, on the other hand, is very possible.
>>96814611myrinethe only decent one
>>96814775vampires heal right? so maybe the vampire princess. Imagine, regenerating virginity!
https://imgchest.com/p/pg7333l37rn
>>96814816whats wrong with the others?
If you pick ACIT and a PE that should have fire based abilities like Dragon, what does that mean? Is your method buffed? Do you achieve insights in your cultivation faster? It sounds redundant to me but maybe there's a hidden synergy here.
>>96814821This was the CYOA that vindicated my tendency for carrying loose change, weapons, and supplies wherever I go.
>>96814844i'd say your method techniques and pe techniques aren't exactly better, but they'll benefit from being similar in toher ways such as you being good at controlling fire for either, beyond that they're also both ripe for elemental roots of fire boosting both of them at the same time
>>96814846I just have a lot of coins and keys with me, so I am fine, plus free phone waifu. I have enough money to get all of them
>>96814739Yea, the closest is Yesod, and he's more of a twink.
>>96814739>>96815000this is exactly what a doomed and pitiable fool who took heaven-blessed would say
>>96815014I'm lost, what exactly is the issue with heaven-blessed again?
>>96811066what is the golden vessel speed?
>>96815076accepting a "blessing" from the one force in existence that depises them most of all, truly they are as pathetic a cautionary tale as ever there was...it's the only choice in the cyoa with a vague and slightly menacing clue added to it>>96815095seven ancient dragon tails of the black waterfall bloodline worth of distance per three heartbeets of the four-hearted crimson ox worth of time
>>96815076Without Heaven Blessed, anon will get his dick devoured the second he steps out of the bunker. So he's just coping atp.
>>96815076It kills you.
>>96815076It eats your butt.
>>96815106Just pick a luck based PE and shit all over the heavens with luck that would make Marie Su seem like a tragic protagonist.
>>96815106>it's the only choice in the cyoa with a vague and slightly menacing clue added to itnot at allNo? It's not menacing at all, and it's definitely not the only one.Read Toad Lusting after a Swan
>>96815129you could do that i guess, but it would have a different character, you'd probably be some prosperity dragon who needs to trade luck with active techniques, not something that just happens to you passively
>>96815129(((luck))) and (((fate))) are the weapons of the (((heavens)))
>>96815136okay, correction, it's the only positive choice you pay something good for that does thathell some of the events are way worse, imagine taking passing through whether it demonstrates what the setting is like or not
The Will of the Heavens will strike you down. NO ONE gets to defy Heaven.
Is it possible to destroy the heavens? They are a bunch of annoying fags and they all have it coming anyway. It would make for a good late game objective.
>>96814775I would assume the queen is the most skilled, although shes the only one thats 100% not a virgin
>>96815153>every cultivator ever: "Nu-uh!"
>>96815106>seven ancient dragon tails of the black waterfall bloodline worth of distance per three heartbeets of the four-hearted crimson ox worth of timeholy shit THAT fast?!?>>96815160yes
>>96815160yes, it's possible to destroy everything, and in fact everything including concepts at a high stage usually have anthorpomorphised spirituality, so you can literally go stab the heavens as a person
>all these jobbers taking Dragon bloodlinesngmiyou should have taken True Human bloodline
>>96815175Humans are not a primordial species. The first humans came waaaaaaaay after.
>>96815173>holy shit THAT fast?!?yes, however, please note that heartbeets was not a typo in case that changes your calculations>>96815175desu i haven't taken the dragon bloodline in any build, i just use it as an example
>>96815076Read Marie Su's description and what she's wary of. Personally I took Heaven-Blessed to speed up gathering resources, or help out if the crafting system has too much randomness.>>96815106It's one of the options that helps to tell you about the body you ended up in. The overall implications of the cyoa are that your body was engineered from the stuff DIMA found, and is basically something like a clone of a dead cultivator DIMA found, but that they did a bit of tinkering too.I'd say there is nothing to worry about Heaven Blessed belonging to someone else, because they're dead. Similar to the other soul from Oversoul. Also of note the spirit from Possession. If you don't take Possession you don't have to deal with the owner. Though Courting Death suggests a different reason one could choose.
>>96815182Nta, but what could some primordial bloodlines other than "dragon" be? I'm unfamiliar with chinkslop.
>>96815182wrong
>>96815182>not picking the bloodline of the first human emperor who was born before the first human mortal and will pass down the great nine treasure techniques and twelve secrets to youshiggy
>>96815175>>96815182The first humanoids would be something like primordial devas and shuras, that kind of stuff. I've been wanting to make build with that concept for a while now.
>>96815192U could be turtle or some shit
>>96815189my interpretation was that it's meant for someone else who's currently out there and alive and is liable to cause issues when you meet them
>>96815192You shouldn't really have to restrict yourself to xianxia. Typical xianxia is specifically based on ancient chinese myths, but the cyoa is not.
>>96811066https://immortalmountain.wordpress.com/glossary/chinese-bestiaryFor bloodline inspiration.
>>96815216I wish there were more options listed, because this is too vague
>>96815192xianxia dragon: a big snake, elementally about storms and floods, not firephoenix: fire and resurrectionkirin: virtue and luckthose are the classics, you can make anything else you want up, in my actual build it's a quasi-demonic race who are really good at spatial manipulation
>>96815213Considering virtually everything else you got was taken from a corpse, you can easily infer this has the same origin. Occam's Razor.
>>96815253i didn't say it wasn't taken from a corpse, i'm saying it's meant for someone else right now
>>96815236So a Kirin PE would give you luck to rival the heavens, yes?
>>96815192Greater Race of YithFlying PolypElder ThingNight HaunterMi-GoShoggothAll popularized by famous Chinese author Huang Pei Lovecraft
>>96815192Most animals generally have a primordial ancestor (if it doesn't seem to, it's probably because it wasn't considered worth mentioning, not that it doesn't have one). There are also variants of bloodlines, like the torch dragon (look at that creepy ass thing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhulong_(mythology).>created day and night by opening and closing its eyes, and created seasonal winds by breathing
>>96815192We need a list of primordial bloodline options
>>96815266well if i was doing it i'd do it more like >>96815141you also wouldn't rival the heavens, you'd rival someone blessed by the heavens
>>96815264It was meant for however was supposed to reincarnate in your body. Multiples sections of this cyoa allude to the fact that if it wasn't for (You) someone else would occupy the body.
>>96815285in my interpretation it would be your presence in the body holding it here instead of allowing it to leave and enter whoever it was meant for
>>96815274We need anons who can think for themselves
>>96815298if it's not written down it doesn't exist
>>96815274explicitfag...
>>96815227>https://immortalmountain.wordpress.com/glossary/chinese-bestiarySo>Top bloodlinesPhoenix, Yellow Dragon, Kitsune>Good bloodlinesGroups of beasts, like the 4 Divine Beasts or Auspicious Beasts.>Not as good as you thoughtDeva, Ashura
>>96815276I can easily get Heaven Blessed without wasting a GI to get a Kirin bloodline. Why would I choose that if it isn't stronger than the blessing?
>>96815276>Not a passive luck and needs u to do some bullshit techniques to activate itJobber option
>>96815300>>96815302holy fuck, explicitfag cutting it close, by 2 seconds>>96815306>>96815310well that's how PE works, it gives you techniques, and kirin is more suited to gathering virtue and merit and then being lucky from that, however obviously as a package it's supposed to be a lot stronger than a blessing, you get to say in what way that is
>>96815303This arbitrary list of chinese autism options is irrelevant. All PE have the same power level.
Primordial Bloodline (Lich)
>>96815322What powers do phoenix typically have in xianxia. That other link is pretty unclear about it.
>>96815322Nah, PE gives you whatever the fuck the your primordial ancestor had, that includes techniques yes, but it also includes their physique and whatever other bullshit they had attached to them.
Qilin gives you luck path.What gives you wisdom path?
>>96815339it's literally fire and resurrection i think? note that vermillion birds are similar to but separate from phoenixes and unfortunately i'm not sure what the difference is supposed to be either>>96815354yes... and you wiegh what's the most important to you for yourself>>96815360also kirin
>>96815329power level? maybe? but different abilities. The Yellow dragon is, for example, obvious strongerr physically than a kitsune.
CC is a mixed setting so if you want to do a nontraditional Primordial Essence like a Griphon or something it would be fine.
jobber physique + taotie bloodlinethis is the way
>>96815396it's fine in regular xianxia too, they throw random shit in there without worrying about it
>not picking heart severing mantra + Asura bloodline + weapon god physique (fist)ngmi
>>96815396one xianxia protagonist had a hydra bloodline
>>96815366You mean something like Titan or Aesir, right? Griffons sound like a particularly shitty PE, but maybe it would for IA idk
>>96815366What does kitsune even do other than fire magic
>>96815419Hydras are cool.
>>96815417I was thinking of making a build like that, that had three main emotions to alude to the three faces asuras have, but I think anons will call it illegal, so I'm just not gonna post it.
>>96815448Agent Provocateur. Shapeshifting. Mind control. Eating souls. Divine messenger of the gods. Subterfuge. Espionage. Seduces virgin cherry boy powerfags and kills them.
>>96815448Illusions, seduction and other kinds of mental fuckery. You could interpret that in a thousand different ways tho. PE essentially let's you choose what your GI does, provided it doesn't break the balance.
>>96815470wow, so all of the dick devourers have cute fox ears and tails
>>96815470and breed cute girls.
>>96815470>and kills them.You mean starts a massive family with.
>>96815405>>96815419Yea so don't feel limited guys
When did you realize that Outer Reincarnation was a Xianxia setting?
>>96815495>>96815497>>96815507>t. would easily fall for a honeypotAnd now you see why kitsune are so effective
>>96815516it can't be
>>96815525meaning = daoOPEN YOUR EYES
>>96815274>hirak finally unlocks his bloodline>its kitsune>turns into a cute dark skinned sharp toothed fox girl waifuDamn rake... I didn't know you were that based...
>>96815337Primordial Bloodline (celestial worms)Primordial Bloodline (dimensional kangaroo)Primordial Bloodline (slug of time)Primordial Bloodline (quetzalcōātl)Primordial Bloodline (nightmare wolf) Primordial Bloodline (flamegator)Primordial Bloodline (scorpion of decay)Primordial Bloodline (hecatoncheires)
>>96815561>>96815337Primordial bloodline (Author self-insert)
>>96815542You wouldn't...
I fear the man with Primordial Bloodline (Squirrel).
>>96815516>>96815540OR fags getting desperate for those attention scraps.
>>96815542I don't know what that does have to do with my post, but of that were true you would have a bro and a waifu in Hirak. THAT would be op.But given he is a literal canine beast, its probably more related to hounds, and not waifus
>>96814473Its just Sissy Sovereign self hyping (again) after getting laughed at (again).
>>96815337Primordial Bloodline (Elf) is still the best
>>96815608you are giving them what they want by acknowledging their existence
trickery, deception, and mind games are objectively the strongest skillset in any xianxia setting
>>96815576I WOULD
>>96815634Lol Pill Demon knew all along
>>96815634Very true must methods don't have scalling intelligence or charisma buffs so you could just manipulate a higher stage cultivator
>>96815627gay>>96815634so kitsune femboy build > the rest of PEs?
>>96815643>he really wants to fuck HIRAK
>>96815627even stronger than dimensional kangaroo?>>96815622why are you so obsessed with him?
>>96815683>anon doesn't like monstergirlsPretty gay desu
>>96815683DARK sovereign likes to fuck DARK women and beast girls. He also kisses goodknight to his bros. A dark skinned kitsune that was his bro would be his ideal waifu if anything.
>>96815695Kangaroo is specialized in the Dao of Kicking, Elf is more versatile.
>>96815702he is not a monster girl. He is a fucking beast. If you get Rake to say that headcanon is true I am the first that is picking Hirak
>>96815657Yes I will have to seduce and fuck men, but only because it is the best way to attain power combined with dick devourer. I will also have to pick Cassian as my nemesis to fill that mandatory drawback requirment. I will ascend to become most powerful unlike all the jobber fags in this thread.
>>96815702monstergirls are peak reddit. kenkouslop even. if youre not a true teratophile then take your low t ass back
>>96815735Am I gay if I want the kitsune PE so I can be a cute fox boy and conquest girls that dig that?
>>96815285>Be bight cultivator>Live my life always giving dues to Heaven>Plan to reincarnate and live out my xianxia protagonist life>Get cheated out of new body by a random transmigratorwyd in this situation?
Monsters that fall in with the protagonist tend to get converted into women when they cultivate regardless of their original sex so, you really shouldn't be surprised when your pets, livestock, or battle beasts just pop into a girl someday.
>>96815627Your update?
>>96815752Straight to the essence furnace.
>>96815752>Monsters that fall in with the protagonist tend to get converted into women when they cultivate regardless of their original sexNo they don't. What kind of weird tranny smut are you reading? Actually, don't answer. I don't want to know.
>>96815752That's why I picked the Abandoned Beast treasure. I want my dragon waifu. I also picked the doll servant.With protagonist Aura both will turn into perfect waifus.
>>96815740Faganon...>>96815752Damn I should take pet and have it be a snake with naga bloodline then...
>>96815776You haven't read much xianxian if you haven't seen some cute snake or dragon or whatever turn into a jade beauty after being exposed to enough qi.
>>96815745No, and there are girls that dig that if we go by the number of shoujo manga with fox boys in them. Searching for fox people actually tends to give more mangas/was where the fox is a guy.
>>96815752How strong does your RE need to be to have this happening at all times?At what stage will the ground I walk on turn into a woman and try to kiss me?Can I fool a rising star by making them ascend to female? (And the defeating them with the cultivators strongest tool)
>>96815794that only happens in dogshit sloppa
Primordial Bloodline (Primordial Bloodline)
>>96815807Yes I just said it's a xianxia thing.
>>96815796desu at that point just make a method for ituntil you do that program it a "oh no everything wants to have sex with me, the trees are turning into hot women, even the ground is trying to suck me off" scenario into your training array
>>96815814Touche
>>96815814(you) only read dogshit sloppathat doesn't make all xianxia dogshit sloppa
>anon focusing on cooming and worldly pleasures instead of cultivationngmi
>>96815794>>96815814I have never see a xianxia, or any book for that matter, in which a mc hooks up with trannies. You degenerate just found obscure degenerate shit.
>>96815795Good, good, I also thought it would be one of those with clear progress. As you would gain 1 tail each stage until you get 9. Whatever comes next who knows, but the progress until then its more clear than other bloodlines.
>>96815844You don't understand, I cultivate to coom and coom to cultivate
>>96815848>When a monster turns into a jade beauty that's tranniesBro you are completely fucking obsessed.
>>96815844>he didn't create a sex method
>>96815848>trannies trannies trannies tranniesAnon is there something about yourself you aren't us?
>>96815869It's called dual cultivation.
>>96815740>monstergirls are peak redditanon.....
>>96815848To clarify, I think the others are talking about how the MC tends to pick up cute creatures that become girls later. But I don't think they were actually male before, it was just never stated what they were. I could talk about the strangest one I have seen but I am not sure that counts a xianxia.
>>96815883i don't use retarded terms
>>96815864>>96815752>Monsters that fall in with the protagonist tend to get converted into women when they cultivate regardless of their original sexBlind retard.
>>96815891towergirls was exiled for good reason.
>>96815891Ignore the faggots
>>96815897Anon I'm pretty sure when a wizard zaps a male dog and it turns into a human girl there's no trannies involved. It's magic, and it was a dog, not a person. You're the one inserting weird social politics shit into chinese wizards.
>>96815906>male to female is not trannyOk retard.
>>96811066Is this the new Outer Reincarnation?Is there always going to some CYOA that anons obsess over for months, while ignoring most OC?
>Hirak turns into a kitsune girl joke turns into a discussion about trannies
>>96815794
>>96815906Nta but I don't think this happens all that often, the MC is usually just not interested in knowing if the stray cat/dog they found is a girl or not, then they transform. They don't become a girl, they were already, the MC just didn't know.
>>96815924saving this
>>96815922Some anons hate fun
>>96815906Anon really wants a wizard to turn him into a girl that is why he is complaining about transgenders so much
this is a brown poltard general
>>96815924just because you're unaware of all the references and tropes being used doesn't mean they aren't there anon, nor does it mean the author didn't put them there for a reason
>>96815918am sorry but outer reincarnation is utter dogshit idk why people like it
>>96815934Either that or it's a spirit with no idea of sex and it turns into a girl because "it seemed like what would make you happy", that's the the one I saw the most.
>>96815955stop schizoposting anon, go to take a nap
>>96815924Anon just salty that he isn't Genre Savvy
>>96815955The anons here are still convinced that cyoas are not subject to interpretation and imagination is worthless.
>>96815924based & true
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/94683761/#94688690No drawbacks. No Perfect Integration. Go.
Protagonist Aura is the strongest power for a coomer. Have a doll automaton? becomes a girl.Have a beast as a pet? becomes a girl.Have a weapon? guess what? becomes a girl.You can't lose
>>96816006>No drawbacks. No Perfect IntegrationWhy should I follow your no fun instructions?
>>96815993you have to imagine and interpret, but you also have to read what's written
>>96816016To have a semblance of a balanced experience. I find it more fun that way.
>>96816012Purebred MonogamyGODS create a dynasty that outlives your coomer fantasies a thousand times over
>>96816045I don't need a dynasty i'm going to live forever.
>>96815955>just because you're -ACK
>>96816006>narutono>>96816012>Have a doll automaton? becomes a girlalready is, with protagonist aura she will become my second guardian with enough time and research.
>>96816028I do notI often skip sections
>>96815192Stone Monkey, Asuras, White Tiger Guardian Beast, Black Turtle Guardian Beast, Foo Dog.
>>96815940Which is why all the good OC is made on discord.
>>96816067>already is, with protagonist aura she will become my second guardian with enough time and research.I mean... in the sense she becomes more "fleshy" and "alive" and can have children with you like Ajax.>>96816045Both strats create dynasties, mine simply will make it a very varied one.
>>96816071Also the Golden Crow, embodiment of the sun.
>coomer shitgive me POWER
>>96815957That's how I kinda feel for CC.It's not bad, I just don't get the appeal.
>>96816129>*Pumps loads of POWER juice down your throat"There you go.
>>96816129i give you the power to coom
techchads won
>>96816151tr
>>96816151>*dies to a magical EMP*lol
Techcucks FEAR the Sun's Wrath.
Friendly reminder that lotus bomb is better than the entire build of most people.
>explodes once>dies
>>96811066>MethodsStone-Titan Ascent, Verdant Heartwood Sheaves, Eternal Frost Pages>BlessingsWeapon God Physique (Body), Heaven-Blessed, Jade Beauty, Decentralized Organs, Warhound, Third Eye, Iron Will, Protagonist Aura, Seventh Sense, Perfect Conduit, Innovative, Peerless Prodigy, Mutated Dantians, Lowly Junior>TreasuresSpirit Lantern, Omni-Compass, Essence Furnace, Spliced Tree, Hunting Grounds>Golden FingersHeavenly Conqueror Foundation, Void Body, Primordial Essence >CompanionsMarie Su, Lyra, Catherine>EventsCorpse King, Place Of Power, Treasure Hunt, Corrupted Zone, Passing Through>ComplicationsFated Nemesis (Sgt. Richard), Deviated Form, Pseudo-Fallen, Incursion, Malevolent Aura, Finger-Licking Good, Vengeful Tribulations, Minotaur's Lair, Courting Death (Heaven-Blessed), Hero's Journey, Fading Away, Lonely, Uninhibited Power, Doomsayer"The Inexorable" Giga blessed and cursed if I can make it to immortality and higher stages I should become a force of nature. I imagine the primordial essence is something along the lines of the giants. Stone Titan + Verdant Heartwood + Eternal Frost Pages is probably my favorite methods and allows you to be insanely durable as well as dangerous. I also think for weapon god physique body would be an acceptable choice no? Either way unarmed combat all the way.
>>96816109>Both strats create dynasties, mine simply will make it a very varied one.It's a xianxia setting anon
>>96815957It is objectively the best CYOA
>>96816006For what?To become the strongest? A duel?If it's a duel you need to specify when we post or someone will gain foreknowledge and ruin the fight
>>96816309so? dragon children, sword children, robot children. All a big family
>>96816304Nice build anon, I also considered a Stone-Titan Primordial Build.
Here are some bloodlines ideas.https://xianxia-rpg.fandom.com/wiki/Bloodline
>>96816006>>96816320(Anon I really want a duel...)
>>96816320Any build. I just think it’s better to play that way, without the usual taking a million drawbacks and the balance breaker.
>>96816304You got enough complications there?
>>96816139Isekai Bounty Hunter...
>>96810832What are the best CYOAs that have come out this past year that have at least some lewd elements to them, but aren't focused on being a girl, picking a new body, or futas? They can have picking new bodily features so long as that isn't the focus of the entire CYOA
to a man with extreme yang physique, a regular man is so womanly he might as well be female
>>96816507Spirit conscript.
>>96816541Ming Yue...
>>96816482If I could stomach more I would>>96816368Being a giant primordial is a dope path (the best one)
>>96816129>While others are busy adventuring, anon collects batteries
>>96816544You can't breed her, she is undead.
If you take vermillion verses and get a massive harem you can farm your children to go up massively
>>96816589Yomi...
>>96816551>Being a giant primordial is a dope path (the best one)The problem will being a primordial giant is that they always job in their own myths. In fact, them jobbing is what causes the creation of the myth itself. See; Uranus, Ymir, Pangu, etc...
>>96816611Why make it your children?Why even make it children?Why not just create a large series of expansionistic cults, leave clear instructions for when you will return, then planeswalk away while they grow and reap them when you come back?
>>96816660that's not what makes him hard
>>96816670Abortion cults and infant slaying have been shown to be reddit behavior
>>96816660your kin are the most compatible with you, bloodline wiseit's more efficient to kill them and absorb their power
>>96816660Because you can infinitely create them without risk of running into guy stage 1 badzillion that will 1 shot u
>>96816631This is why I think challenging the heavens as one is quite fitting as they've been catching L's since mythology began. Although I suppose with primordial essence you would be a descendant which is more forgiving. Descendants of primordial giants usually wind up pretty important like in Norse and Greek where they just make up the main Pantheons essentially.
>>96816696You can create a cult of repeat incest>>96816704You can create a cult in the middle of nowhere, and you don't need to be there while they propagateHonestly now that I think of it dual cultivation exists, you could just as easlily create a system to transfer power without violence, the only reason to choose violence is to use unwilling peopleI think being evil may be sub optimal, and doing an infinity cronus may be totally unnecessary
>>96816631Picking option with massive hitbox in setting with stuff that instakills you or attacks your soul is common jobber choice
>>96816797Stone soul literally just no-sells those things
>>96816429are all humans on earth part of the Forbidden Apple Bloodline?
People who try to shit on others’ build choices are the worst and least creative posters here. It would be one thing if they had some good Waldorf and Statler routine to deliver, or at least mixed it up in some way, but once you read one of their posts you’ve read them all. What a waste of life.
I am suprised nobody made a build with prismatic radiance and stone titan. They seem to have obvious synergy former making your big clumsy body agily and fast. You can just ram into things at high speed.
Mentor ring > lost legacy
If the mentor is based on me, they will clearly be the most based individual in the cyoa. Given this, it should be my goal to get them into the body of a human female so we may consummate
>>96816878Nothing about stone titan makes you slow
>>96816878One method is all about being really hard to hit and moving around a lot, the other is about directly tanking damage and staying in one place. I don't know if there's a single worse pair of methods to combine.
>>96816935If you gain size, but not extra speed that makes you relatively slower because distance to swing your arm or make a step is considerably bigger. Unless you want to argue that stone titan also makes you a lot faster.
>>96816861I agree anon, non constructive criticism is usually just trolling. The ironic part is I get less engagement on builds that are really good as a result.
>anon made a buildwhy bother?you'd lose.
>>96816957Your main weakness as stone titan are gonna be agile glass cannons and prismatic radiance lets you counter them directly by just being fast enough to ram into them before they can dodge.
>>96813179That is the only way to go. If it's not in the cyoa and written clearly than it's up to your interpretation. If it's in the cyoa and written clearly than that's what it is. Anything else is just a fart in a hurricane.
>>96816990You'd lose (to me)
>>96816957Peak level radiance does make you more resilient I was actually debating going it as a third option, but took eternal frost instead for the time powers.
>>96816998You'd be far better off just getting a different ranged method like Fated Shot or All Consuming Inferno, one that doesn't want you to move around. Or just wait until you reach the higher stages when earth manipulation comes into play.
>>96813270The Manhattan Project (1986)
>>96816990Shut up would you?
>>96816957You can literally fly up and drop down on your opponents with it before they can react, making full use of your weight, durability and size
>>96817069>Anon is using the Supreme Fatass Technique
>For Devourer it is specifically corpses you have to eat. For the Method, pretty much anything works.dick devourers in shambles
>>96817103Devourers gain just base strength from corpses as well, so you'd eventually just become ridiculous compared to everyone else. It lets you empower the effects you get too, which the Method doesn't.
>>96816861>People who try to shit on others’ build choices are the worst and least creative posters herei think you meant "People who try to shit on others’ build choices are inbred subhumans" is this better? i tried to make it more concise and direct
>>96817103No you can drink cum for devourer, but for method you need blood.
>>96817117Tok...
>>96817069Durability isn't helping, and there are far better ways to utilise speed than that, for instance just disintigrating your enemies before they can react with all consuming inferno. Or really just using any other body refining method because they basically all make you super strong.
>>96817117go argue with Rake, faggot
>>96816918>t. old ring victim
>>96817136he will start calling rake a redditor if rake tells him that he cannot do that
>>96817136>Thinking dick devourer cant actually devour dicks
>>96811066What about this is so appealing?
>>96816304Naisu Builderu
>>96813173Anything from v1.0 that is contradicted should be considered wrong. It was literally a WIP.
>>96817181It is naturally how a esl-powerfag sees the world. The lack of complexity pleases them
>>96817181better question, why do you think its not appealing?
>>96817181It's a pretty permissive cyoa where everything stacks and boosts each other without redundancy, while at the same time it has specific options instead of being completely freeform.Arguably one of the best power creation cyoa out there.
>>96817117>but for method you need blood.Proof needed.
>>96817344>power creation cyoaYou aren't creating powers though?
>>96817181It gives shitposters something to latch on to so they can cause arguments and continue to shit up the thread with kiddy level sandbox logic, so of course it's popular.
>>96817204>>96817394Malding Shitposters...
>>96817394>>96817411How powerful is this Dao of Shitposting?
>>96816006>No Perfect Integration.Hahahahahahahaha.>Location:Amegakure, Land of Rain>Timeframe:Warring States Era>Scenario:Multi-Player>Rank:Z>Perks:Deep Reserves, Skilled, Gifted, Genius, Prodigious>Nature Affinities:Wind>Techniques:Basic: Unarmed Combat, Stealth, Subterfuge, Espionage, Book Smarts (Biology), Utility Jutsu, Chakra FlowAdvanced: Sealing Arts 3, Concealment Arts, Nullification Arts (Ninjutsu), Ritual ArtsHidden: Active Camouflage (Invisible), Five-Pronged Seal, Counter SealingSpecial: Dustless Bewilderment Cover MasterySecret Special: Chimera Technique, Mad Science
>>96817411you are gonna make them mald even more
>>96817389Methods, blessings, and CG are basically your ingredients for the power you are cooking.
>>96817449That's just anons finding synergies and being creative with what's left unsaid.
>>96817414Its bitchmade. Very weak foundation.
>>96811066Why is nobody taking Unbound Causality?
>>96817477meh
>>96817477>use Unbound Causality>stage 20 in another galaxy you had no clue about goes ( ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°)>die
>>96817459>finding synergiesIt's all synergies with each other, that's the thing. There is no redundant option.
>>96817477>backward time travel is impossiblenice>butskip
>>96817518It only affects dimensions you have interacted with, readlet-kun
>>96817585>galaxies are other dimensionssasuga
>>96817585But isn't that kinda bad if your rival is in a dimension you haven't interacted with they will keep progressing while your stalling in your dimension by reminding time
>>96817560>>96817560Yeah, it's hilarious, time travel is impossible, but> Goes into an explanation of why your time travel is totally fine.Remind me Fate, that teleportation is possible only for true magic, but various characters teleport left and right, and every time authors begin mental gymnastics to explain why it's a totally different thing.
>>96817613Do you want it to just be an auto-win button?
What's the difference between Machine Transcendence and Living Forge? Aren't you essentially integrating stuff within yourself in both cases?
>>96817662But is it really time travel? I always thought it works like this: you made a save point on day 1, on day 2 you commited an upsie and decided to load. The consecuences of your actions are erased, but it's still day 2, not day 1.
>>96817662Rake clearly hates time travel but wanted to include the classic rewind time cheat
>>96817754Machine Transcendance is about reality-bending technology, whereas Living Forge is about magical, albeit primitive weapons and armour.
>>96811066>Primordial Faggot>Methods>Heart-severing mantra(Lust)Lets me seduce others easier>Thousand Venoms TextsLets me turn my body fluids into aphrodisiac and give STDs.>Blood-Stained Vermilion VersesTo kill and drain my victims afterwards>Blessings>Weapon God Physique(My Bussy)>Jade Beauty>Communication expert>Deceitful trickster>Mastermind>Elemental Roots(Sex)All of this lets me seduce my opponents easier so that I can dick devour them>Treasures>Slavers collarWill put on someone while I am getting sodomized, in case they prove useful in other ways than getting devoured>Pocket DimensionLets me conserve any of my victims>Hunting DimensionEndless supply of being to devour >Training ArrayLets me practice my skills>Market ticketEasy way to get money and resources by selling my "services".>Grand Inheritances>Primodial Essence(Succubus/Gigafaggot)Lets me seduce and lure in anyone easier>All-Consuming Dick DevourerNow I can also steal the abilities of my victims>Heavenly Conqueror FoundationIt was between this and dharma weapon that would take form of a fleshlight or vibrator depending on who I am seducing, however third method is just too good to pass on.>Companions>HirakHe will protect me if things go south, n-no other reason>TriffilHe will be a useful connection to leech off after I get him to my side and make him retake his clan. His tentacles will also help me cultivate my lust based heart severing mantra method> Events> Corpse kingAs he is mindless he will be easy to seduce>The HordeSame reason as last one> The CannibalSame strategy but might be a bit harder>Passing ThroughSome of them might be willing to teach me or offer resources in exchange for my "services">Stepford VillageFarming heaven for me>Complications>Fated Nemesis(Cassian)He is going to be so easy since he has no protections against non-physical attacks
>>96817765As far as I can tell, every dimension follows the same multiversal timestream, with some progressing faster or slower relative to other worlds. You can't go backwards in time to the past, and probably not to the future either, unless you count precognition as doing something similar. The grand inheritance just erases the consequences of your actions, but time is still progressing normally.
>>96817753NTA but I would prefer if it had limitations inherent to the technique, instead of outsourcing it to outside factors. I didn't and won't take UC precisely because if fucks with something that may bother people waaay above my paygrade and they may just decide to erase me from the timeline. Lowly Junior supposedly mitigates this, but even so, if your time rewinding foils one of their plans they will still fuck you up.
>>96817789>IncursionWill seduce him and devour for his bloodline>IndebtedI will be making a lot of money so this wont be a problem>Courting death>Minotaurs lair
You CAN beat your rival in a fight, right anon?
>>96817789Tok... I kneel>>96817794It explicitly only does so in the dimension you are in. You shouldn't be worrying about that for a long, long while.
>>96817774But you make artifacts that essentially accomplish the same effects the scifi stuff does, no? At that point it's more a matter of flavor than anything else.
>>96817811>At that point it's more a matter of flavorIt's called being thematic anon
>>96817789Kek
>>96817754Artifacts can have functions that techfaggotry simply won't be able to accomplish, so forge is better. There's a reason why tech is stagnant across the Three Thousand Worlds and it's because it simply isn't that good.
>>96817811no, do you think a robot and a magic axe are the same thing?
>>96817826There's a god-machine and a literal army of robots in the Morrowind-expy world.
>>96817826>so this is betteraaand we are back to dick measuring contests
>>96817754Practically speaking, MT has a higher floor since it helps you find/make stuff to integrate, while LF has a higher ceiling since it isn't limited to technology.
>>96817846Mad cause he's right
>>96817802I get someone else to do it for me
>>96817789>My BussySo this is the power of Coming Out realm...
>>96817833You can create an artifact that does everything a your gay "robot" is capable of doing>>96817844You can seal that bitch inside a ring if you're an artifactGOD
>>96817862>t. Jobber
>>96817870Senior, how do I overcome my lust and defeat this old monster?
>>96817844Yea I am surprised none of the techchads have mentioned the Ash-Planes in their builds. The universal interface of Machine Trancendance literally marks you as the Messiah.
>>96817848LF also improves all the shit you absorb and you make the effort to refine it further inside your body. If you have a good enough Auxiliary Master or picked AT as your GI, LF is just too good.
>>96817888That or Ajax. Or that one communication blessing might really be the answer.
>>96817888>he doesn't have Communications ExpertShiggydiggy
all of the methods are explicitly roughly equal and if you think one is significantly better than another then you are evaluating one or both of them incorrectly
>>96817897Or take Yesod
>>96817874>>96817861i also prefer Living Forge but that is my personal preference if you think that Living Forge is better even after the cyoa explicitly says all the techniques offered are on the same level, then you seriously must have a severe case of down syndrome or trying to bait
>>96817802Yes, while under effects of Parasite + Youthful + Fading Away + Possession shitcombo even. Wielding spiritfucking attacks against someone with physical specialization can work wonders.
>>96817903>>96817909Those are valid too
>>96817883Castrate yourself.
>>96817947Ah, the Sunflower Method... very wise
>CYOA: hey, all there methods are high level and equal in strength>some retard: yes but mine is better
>>96817917The weakness of LF is that you cannot just mass produce stuff the way MT does. In a straight up fight, it is just significantly stronger though. Having different strengths doesn't mean things aren't balanced, but it does mean that some methods will be stronger in a 1v1 because that's just where their upsides lie. For example, something like ACIT or FSD can easily defeat MT in a fight too, on mid to high levels.
>>96817961>techsissy is mad he gets his ass handed to him in a straight up fightGuess what? You cannot actually be good at everything simultaneously, you fag
>>96817985anon cannot read, SAD!
>>96817961>My powers lets me fight cool>My power is better it lets me bend reality>No the cyoa says they are balanced so they are balancedThis is what we call critical thinking.
>>96817414It has derailed many threads in the past and caused wars (eg skub, blackmagic). History revisionists would tell you otherwise.
The CYOA saying "every choice here is balance" doesn't automatically make it true btw.If that was the case more people would pick Mentor Ring or Karmic Alignment. The truth is that different GI have different functions and at the end of the day some functions are just better than other, even if you try to equalize the power level between them.
the amount of mental illness this general has at assuming that if you disagree with them you must be a techfag is staggering
>>96818025It does though.
>>96817833Billyboy Buzzsawbot 2000 and the Antediluvian Axe of Aspen Annihilation are the same thing with a different coat of paint, duh.
>>96818014if a cyoa says something and you imagine something else that is what we call headcanon.
>>96818028Techfags were arguing that tech was able to do anything the other methods can do and more, in this very thread.
>>96817754Living Forge can swiftly swap between the various absorbed artifacts (you got as many builds as you have artifacts, offence, defence, elemental etc), Machine help you make the tech you need with less specialized tools and smooth out incompatibility between implants (the method by itself is enough while LF need you to find artifact or learn to make them).I think you still need RE to powers the tech or artifact so you can't practically use something too far beyond your level without mutated dantian to feed the items.
However, Skin-Shedding > Metamorphosis in all ways, every way, every day and forever
>>96818052It would be very funny if a CYOA had a final line in semi transparent text saying "Reading this CYOA means you are gay"Suddenly non critical thinking anons turn gay.
>>96818073>gets sniped in a thousand different timelines which collapse instantly vaporizing you from existenceNothing personnel
>>96818073>superior baseline human+some piddlesticks powers>hulking mutant freak honed to a hyperspecialized monstrosityIn overall purity and ease of progress, sure. Metamorphosis crushes in direct combat.
>>96818058yes, hours ago, but not in the conversation started by this guy here >>96817754
>>96818073It isn't if you are lucky enough.
>>96818049>>96818052Here's a CYOA for your sensibilities:Pick one Power:OmnipotenceYou can thrown fireballs the size of a carYou can instantly kill all techfags(These choices are balanced)
Which method lets you give the best hugs?
>>96817518Good. Dont fuck with time.
>>96818118When a CYOA that is written in good faith tells you that things are roughly balanced, they are. If you think that one option is WAY better than others then your perception is in the wrong.
>>96818119Heart-Severing Mantra embodying Love, of course.
>>96818118Here's a CYOA for your sensibilities:Pick one PowerOmnipotenceOmnipotence (lol)there is no point with arguing with you since you are going to make shit up and call it critical thinking.
>>96818119Ashitac ascendance recordsHugs are measured based on the amount of love in them, and if you have more mental space you can fit more love in itThen pick any of the body mods, ideally living forge for the ideal physical hug,(But all methods perfect the body so it isn't necessary)
In a setting where advanced mechanisms fail because magic fucks with the laws of nature what work around sounds better.>Things like weapons or vehicles can be blessed to protect them for a while.>You have to build special artifact versions of these mechanisms but they require a great deal of power, expertise and rare resources so they are stil rare.Which one is better or maybe I could have both?
>>96817789This is the guy constantly spamming the phrase dick devourer btw
>>96818160Anon they would just make new technologyEither you increase the fundamental uncertainty of the universe or tech works
>>96818144>>96818146>Anon can't think for himselfThis is sad to see and not even the author agrees because if it was actually balanced he would not have made balance changes in the update.
>>96818119writhing swarm, because then it would become a group hug.
>>96818160the second, by a long shot
>>96818174>increase the fundamental uncertainty of the universeYeah that's the reason tech doesn't work the worl is experiencing war between reality warpers and that subtly shifts the world moment to moment in ways that are imperceptible to humans.
>>96818160I like the artifact option because it fundamentally changes how the world works. The other option is just inconvenient and boring.
>>96818160The former, since it would annoy more anons.
>>96818204In that case, it makes perfect senseGuns cannot function if the ignition temp of the gunpowder changes every day. Computers cannot work is the voltage needed to pass a transistor changesEverything would still technically be possible, but more expensive, worse, and far less reliable
>>96818214A true tsundere, you are.
>>96818160the latter because it would annoy this anon >>96818214
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>>96818354>>96818373how obedient
>>96818014They all bend reality. It's vague enough that that a statement like that makes sense.
