Welcome to the Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to TSR D&D, derived systems, and all content compatible with them.>Troves, Resources, Blogs, etc:http://pastebin.com/9fzM6128>Need a starter dungeon? Here's a curated collection:https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/94994969/#95006768>Previous thread: >>96799302Thread question: What is your fav monster?
New to OSR systemswhat is some old-school system (i.e. which book do I get) and modules if I want to run a short 1-3 session adventure to get some OSR interest among my town's ttrpg scene?
>>96815697I'm sorry?
>>96815710Just download "Moldvay/Cook BX D&D"and"B2 Keep on the Borderlands"
>>96815731>"B2 Keep on the Borderlands"I considered that one but it seems to be to large to keep it 3 session or less
>>96815729the previous thread was autosageed by post limit at that point so I made I a new oneIs there some sort of monopoly or something?
>>96815748so what?OSR isnt completing some pre-set story, its about adventuring: killing things underground for treasure and glory. also, play BX completely RAW and BTB
>>96815761Your attempt to play dumb fools nobody, however, we can simplify this down to: yes, for your personal purposes there exists a monopoly which excludes you. Also, new threads should not be made until the old one is on page 10.
>>96815813>OSR isnt completing some pre-set storyok but some sort of closure would be appreciated especially since I want to make a good impression so players are willing to start a lengthier campaign
>>96815748Hop over to the other thread and repost your question. I'll help as best as I can with advice over there.This one was, unfortunately, made by one of our shit stirrers in residence so it's not going to get any half-decent answers.
>>96815822>for your personal purposes there exists a monopoly which excludes youlast time I checked neither 4ch nor /tg/ was your personal website so how about you fuck off with your bullshit>until the old one is on page 10bullshit it's perfectly fine to make one if a thread hits the bump limit which it did
>>96815842are you for real?what difference does it make?also I like the art in this one better
>>96815842Bruh, you're replying to the troll. It ought to be obvious from the fact that the two "sides" of the "conversation" and his open shitposting e.g. >>96815857 all read exactly the same and have the same typing tics. He's too dumb to samefag effectively.>>96815857>bullshit>it's perfectly fine to make one if a thread hits the bump limit which it didIncorrect. You are wrong, also retarded, also walk into traffic.
>>96815868>are you for real?It's a long and sordid story.>what difference does it make?Most regular posters are over there while this thread is likely to be a ghost town apart from one guy trying to keep it alive with pure force of autism.>also I like the art in this one betterIt is a banging dragon.>>96815881>You're replying to a trollI choose to believe the best in people and that the occasional newbie does show up.Put it on Blackstone, if he is a trolling shitbag then better he get a sincere answer now and then than a newbie be coated in bile for asking an honest question.
>>96815813also how does BF1 Morgansfort: The Western Lands Campaign compare to B2
>>96814299What does "FOE GYG" mean?
Why is everyone here so autistically aggressive / aggressively autistic?
how come the b/x omnibus hasn't been updated to remove the errors?and why the fuck is the art so low res
>>96815731>"Moldvay/Cook BX D&D"is that the one?https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/110274/d-d-basic-set-rulebook-b-x-ed-basichttps://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/110792/d-d-expert-set-rulebook-b-x-ed-basic
>>96815905It doesn't mean anything.
>>96815900>I choose to believe the best in people and that the occasional newbie does show up.Buddy. Don't be retarded. A newbie isn't going to show up within the first minutes of a troll thread being posted, asking a stereotypical question in the exact same cadence as the troll. Not to mention he tried the exact same ploy the last time he posted a troll OP. Get a grip.
>>96815917It's because this is a troll thread, so nothing good can possibly come of it.
>>96815581You grab Moldvay B/X and run Castle Amber.
>>96815958I don't get it why are you so salty and what is exactly the offense you have with this threadYou are more than welcome to participate in the threadit's a public anonymous board after all
>>96815970>Castle Amber.anons please help me understand if this is trolling or genuine advice?I'm skipping through the wiki article and it doesn't seem like it was exactly highly ratedhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Amber_(module)>The worst module in the X series.>did not recommend this adventure for purchasebut then again the article mentions it is part of the top 30 modules I've heard being mentioned before
>>96815748Big is good. You're not trying to 100% everything, you play for the time you got.
There must be a lot of w*men here because I see a lot of missed periods.
>>96816026It's funky and weird, but it's also really good. If you read some of the Chronicles of Amber before playing it, it makes a lot more sense.
>>96816042appreciate your replyI would like to run it as second pick after I recruit some playersBut as I already mentioned before for the first adventure I want to make an impression [to actually recruit players] so some sort of closure would be anticipated
>>96816059what, you don't like women? a bit gay for the cock I suppose?
>>96815761>the previous thread was autosageed by post limit at that point so I made I a new one>with my truncated bullshit OP This moves you from tourist to troll.
>>96815935https://i.4pcdn.Morg/tg/1431738654868.MpdfJust remove the capital M's.
>>96816122I was searching for answers in archives and at the point I was getting desperate I saw the current thread was at post limit and I found this really cool art I liked and I wanted to participateI just took the description from the thread in the archives, the OP from the previous live thread reads like it was written by someone having a stroke, this one is clean and simple I don't see the problem
>>96816177That means (you)'re the problem. Funny that.
>>96816108I may be a homosexual, but y'all are faggots.
>>96816200rude
>>96816026You can find any adventure in the world just by searching its name and .pdf. Read through some of it, maybe even play through it, and if you like it, then you can do the whole buyfag thing after you're sure its worth the money.Castle Amber is okay but maybe not a starter adventure. Keep on the Borderlands is more traditional.In Search of the Unknown is a very basic adventure designed for beginners.
>>96816098>some sort of closure would be anticipatedMaybe they'll all die.
>>96816216>Search of the Unknownthanks anonseems like exactly what I was looking for
>>96816210>make troll thread to be a shitfuck >calls others rude nou
>>96816177>I just happened to find an ancient /osrg/ OP imagelmao, pathetic
>>96815731>B2 Keep on the Borderlands"That's the one that Gygax replaced as an intro module only because he himself wrote it and wanted all the royalties for himself.
>>96816026You won't get actual advice in this thread.
>>96816358why is that?apart from one or two bad apples who keep calling me names for taking an old thread OP and never explaining why it even matterseveryone else seems helpful and I actually did have a recommendation which on further reading seems to be just what I needed see >>96816216
>>96816424Because you're a fuckhead.
TROLL THREAD. REPORT AND DON'T ENGAGE.
>>96816424It's retards being buttblasted that the OP does not exclude 2e.
What is the best class in every system? I know in 1st edition its probably ranger/cleric early on and wizards at high level. And 2e is probably the same. but what about in OD&D for example?
>>96816582wdym by best class?this isn't a solo game unless you were asking specifically for a solo gamea party needs a bit of everything
>>96816582Fighting man in everything.
>>96816582At high levels, magic-users are incredibly OP if they have the right spells. But, Fighting-men are still the best combat class, though that also doesn't mean as much in OD&D.
>>96815556>What is your fav monster?
>>96817006This art is much better though.
>>96815917The foundational components of OSR kind of go hand-in-hand with autism. Lots of numbers and rules and little things to argue about. It's also why something like pigeon racing or competitive sudoku is 80% people on the spectrum. It's the reason why the OSR community had trouble forming and remains split into various subgroups/subgenres, rather than ever really being a cohesive whole.
>>96815935lmao fucking retard>>96816582dogshit book
>>96816657There can still be a best class. Simply meaning the one that contributes the most to the party. Clerics seem to contribute the most early on because they are decent martials and can also contribute some spells.
>>96817329How can we cure this?
>>96815905It's the sound someone makes when they've got a corpse dick lodged in their throat.
>>96815581If you really just want to generate interest, grab the Tomb of Horrors. For some unknowable reason, that's the OSR adventure that keeps surfacing in the public zeitgeist.I'd wager it's mostly a mix of reputation (as being extremely challenging), it being written by Gary Gygax, and just the evocative name, because the adventure itself is not really fun to play through and it's filled with less "challenges" and more just "dick moves". But, even though it's not fun to play, it's definitely an experience and what anyone interested at all in any edition of D&D should try out just to see what all the hub-bub is about.
>>96817631thats a horrible fucking idea for a DM and Players new to OSR you absolute chucklefuck
>>96817639It's giving people what they want and are interested in doing (playing the big famous adventure in its original form), along with the caveat that even if they don't enjoy it, most other adventures are much more fun. Also, ToH is really quick because it's a tournament mod that people played for speed, so they can go through it, suffer and die or maybe succeed, and then go play a fun adventure.
>>96817329shut up ACKSshillyou really think "rulling over rules" means you need more rules? You don't know shit about anything, that's why you've never convinced anyone to play your crappy game.
>>96817673I'm not talking about the rules of just one system.Even just trying to get into OSR has people comparing OD&D and AD&D, and 1e and 2e, and OD&D and Basic, and Holmes and Moldvay and BECMI, and so on and so on. The joke is that they made Basic to try and make D&D simple, and decades later it's mostly just helped to make everything more complex.>>96817543If someone here had the cure for autism they wouldn't be playing games, they'd be banging all the gold-diggers chasing all the money they got from selling that secret.
>>96817670confirmed, youre a genuine moron, and a nogames to boot. >>96817673what the fuck are you talking about, you actual delusional schizo?
>>96817631This is dumb.Especially if you're trying to drag in 5e players using Tomb of Horrors. They'll just go play the 5e version instead.All versions of Tomb are shit.
>>96817748>>96817808Ask ten people who've never played an OSR game whether they want to play Tomb of Horrors or [Any other Adventure], and at least five of them will say Tomb of Horrors.
>>96818089sure, and it will be a terrible experience since:A. the DM is completely newB. the players are all completely newC. ToH is not representative of 'normal' OSR gameplayD. ToH is a semi-competitive point-scoring tournament modulenow fuck off, you retarded tourist
is this the knave thread?
>>96818147Starting at the bottom means there's only one direction you can go.
dogshit b8, nogames troll
>>96817043>snakebutt
>>96815556Favorite is rust monster because fuck your armor. But I always thought it was lame that they can't even attack other than by destroying metal stuff. Makes it pretty obvious that their only purpose is to deprive the players of weapons and armor. That also brings up a question. How good would full plate still be if the character lost just the chest plate and only their torso was exposed?
>>96818186No, this is the troll / hijack thread. Knave is a good fit for the NSR thread, though.
>>96818377When I was really young I actually had one of those plastic toys it was based off of. Wish I still had it, it might be worth something now.
>>96818471It's not.
How can osrfags claim ‘rulings over rules’ while also holding the position that osr is vasily different from narrative-centric systems. It's contradictory.
>>96818638People sort of lost the meaning of what "narrative-centric" system actually means, thanks in part to a lot of trolling and shitposting.An actual narrative game is something like Fate, where players don't just have control over the actions of their character, but can directly help change the world, insert story elements, and are even expected to call up situations that are detrimental to their character, like if their character has a trait where they're being chased by the Yakuza, when they enter a tea shop they might suggest to the GM that the tea shop has ties with the Yakuza. To a troll though, a narrative game is any game that has more story than "There is a dungeon, you have to go in it."
>>96818638"osrfags" have lots of different opinions. Of course they're going to contradict each other.
>>96815901I'm the guy that posts updates about my BFRPG campaign every week. I like the game a lot have ran my current campaign for 52 sessions... The campaign I've ran used BF1 Morgansfort as it's base that I built on, and honestly I wouldn't use it again. Basically it does everything B2 does, but worse. Highly recommend just using modules from other stuff or just writing your own settlement with a large dungeon nearby.
>>96818828>The campaign I've ran used BF1 Morgansfort as it's base that I built on,:D>and honestly I wouldn't use it again. Basically it does everything B2 does, but worse.D:
I've only been a player and I've only played 5e. I want to run a game and am interested in OSR. How is OSE? I want physical books, so I'm not interested in systems that are PDF only.
>>96819342If you want real answers this is not the thread for you, as it's a troll thread made by a retarded sperg. Try >>96815749.
>>96819395Is there an O.S.R. version of the World of Darkness?
>>96819342It's solid. Slimmed down and neat, but I'm going to have to say just playing 5e doesn't make you some sort of abject retard who needs to be babied. Not saying OSE is babied, but the best question really is what are you looking for in an OSR game?If you just want something to play, OSE will work. Might want to try Dungeon Crawl Classics, it's in the same vein.But you can also go for something like AD&D, which has a little more to build from.
>>96815556>Thread question: What is your fav monster?The best.
>>96819342I like it.It's an easy rec to people even with zero RPG experience. Clear language, clear rules.The books also don't look like shit, so that's a plus.
>>96819407If you just want VAMPIRES, the best I can say is maybe grabbing some Ravenloft and Draccing things up. If you want modern day emo kids wandering the streets battling against despair and hunger, why not just stick with WoD?
>>96819342BX vs OSE comes down to flavor vs intelligibility. OSE is much, MUCH easier to actually use but a lot of the old-school charm and/or jank (YMMV) is removed as well.Given that you're new to OSR I'd say that OSE is the safest bet but go download both and see which you like and then buy a physical version. Or just blind buy both, if you're willing to shell out a bit more. OSE is $70 new IIRC and you can usually find copies of the Basic and Expert rules on ebay for $15-20 each.
>>96819407None I know, but there is an OSR WoD at least.
>>96819445AD&D doesn't really add anything over Old School Essentials Advanced Fantasy.OSE Classic Fantasy = Cleaned up B/XOSE Advanced Fantasy = Cleaned up AD&D.
>>96819342>I want physical booksI wish the 1e rulebooks weren't so pricey. They look awesome. How many people here actually own them?
>>96819894Only physical RPG books I still have were gifted to me a decade ago, these WoTC 2e rereleases.Not my favorite RPG, but probably my favorite looking RPG books. Real nice packages, everything premium.
>>96817748Its just boogyshill. Ignore them, they're a troll and made this thread to fuck with people.
>>96819993Those ARE kinda sexy.
>>96816070>If you read some of the Chronicles of Amber before playing it, it makes a lot more sense.People should read those regardless.The Appendix N is a solid set of books, and one of the easiest ways to improve your games is to go through and read as much of them as you can. Though, not necessarily in alphabetical order like they're listed. Reading Zelazny should actually probably be a priority over most of the other authors.
>>96817329>rather than ever really being a cohesive whole.It's better off that way.
>>96819993These aren't OSR rulebooks, however. This isn't an old-school edition.
>>96820259...I have to agree. Everyone being able to do their own thing and not fight about it is much better than anyone trying to get everyone to conform to one standard.
>>96820094>faux leather>half-naked, glistening people>exposed thighsPutting the Dungeon back into D&D.
>>96820285What are you even on about?
>>96820555Don't engage with that troll please. Just ignore him,
>>96818828thanks for your reply anondo you have a say on any other BF adventures? are some worthwhile? I like the concept of a fundamentally free game based on an old beloved game, so I want to try it out in some regardPSI've read your reports, they are a fun readthat's what got me thinking about BF in the first placeunfortunately the previous osrg threads had a sperg who was insisting BF is offtopic
>>96819342OSE by this time should be considered the industry standard in terms of print quality, art, layout etc.it is both B/X and AD&D compatible (classic fantasy vs advanced fantasy)it's hard to go wrongthe only thing is that it has a lot of books by this point so you would make yourself a favor in watching some buying guide if you want to get all the right stuff in just one gohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crzlhy-0yRIalso OSE basic rulebook is a free downloadyou can check it out and see if you like it
>>96819993these do look radprobably pricey though
>>96820675>OSE by this time should be considered the industry standard in terms of print quality, art, layout etc.if we lived in a better worldOSE is well above the standard and there was much more time and dedication put in making it look good than most games.
>>96820555that anon is on his personal crusade against 2e and Hickman-style adventuresprobably a no-games faggot who watches too much retarded gatekeeping content on the internet and builds his identity around being a gatekeeper to what people can and cannot enjoyignore himhe will never go away despite claiming this isn't the one trve osrg because the OP doesn't exclude 2e specifically that's what the OP always was before this retard and his fuck buddy hijacked the generalbut if you feed him it will lead to walls of text with him sperging out
>>96820725>personal crusade against 2e and Hickman-style adventuresit's one of the basic things about OSROSR is a response to hickman style adventuresit's not one anon, is whoever is willing to tell you again that you're being retarded
>>96820765>OSR is a response to hickman style adventuresyou are literally retarded, but humor me this hickman style adventures are 80sOSR started in the middle 2000show. the. fuck.is it supposed to be a response to hickman style adventuresPSnaturally we shouldn't feed the trollsreplying only to make sure newbs see this as a blatant lie
>>96820567>>96820725Ok i'll ignore him, thanks.
>>96820725>>96820776You dummy. Just ignore him.
>>96820776When Hickman did it it was new and interesting, then everything TSR and then WotC printed followed the same railroad format. Yes, it lasted more than 20 years, how is that confusing when OSR also lasted 20 years?
>>96820798It's not confusing him, he's being deliberately obtuse.
>>96820285>aren't OSR>old-school editionstrictly speaking all old-school editions are not OSRThey are just that, old-school editions
>>96820555He's just saying that 2e isn't an old-school edition and has nothing to do with old.school D&D or the OSR, it's a simple, straightforward, and true statement.
>>96820640>unfortunately the previous osrg threads had a sperg who was insisting BF is offtopic>things that never happenedYou've been consistently told it's an OSR game, but not a very good one. It's on topic.
>>96821311I understood the statement it just makes no sense.
>>96821368No, it makes perfect sense. The OSR was a reaction to 2e at least as much as to 3e. Here, have a blog post by one of the OSR greats explaining it all very clearly:>https://beyondfomalhaut.blogspot.com/2022/10/blog-osr-module-o5-2e-is-still-not-old.html
>>96821375I don't really care about that. I'd prefer to discuss games rather than argue about what is or isn't OSR.
>>96821407Well, in that case it would probably be best not to drag irrelevant games into the OSR thread, which you claim this is.
>>96821431it is an OSR threadit is also a public anonymous image board with no moderationso anyone can mention any topic, maybe get a reply maybe not, and the thread will move onif you are so eager to moderate stuff, you should go to reddit, I heard it's all they do
>>96821375>old-school gaming is a deliberate rejection of the 2e legacy, a style and school of thought which set itself up as its polar opposite in aesthetics, focus, design principles, and GMing style. Its advocates saw 2e as a corrupted, bland, corporate husk of the original D&D spirit, and thought it was like a swig of clear spring water when they could finally get back to what they saw as the buried genius of those creative origins.Interesting to see someone in NSR reason the same argument out but in different terms:>>96805019>>96805035>>96805071Also>the TRV OSR Taliban is a sure hand and keen eye while bringing down the blade.Inshallah Habibi
>someonehmmm
found this link while reading the nsrg and I think it might be an interesting read for anons in this thread as wellhttps://rancourt.substack.com/p/a-survey-of-overland-travelWhat is it?>some non-anon tries to do the same overland travel over different systems RAWHow long is it?>pretty long and there are a lot of systems covered>but there is a conclusion section in the end if you don't want the nitty-gritty
>>968205552nd ed isn't osr, but this isn't an osr thread so its likely fine for people to fuck about here as much as possible.
>>96820725>there is only one boogyman lol no everyone thinks you suck a lot You made this bullshit false osr enthuiast thread just to continue trolling the actual /osrg/.
>>96821375>>96821575The problems with 2etards is that they're the pariahs of the D&D scene. Nobody *really* likes that edition: OSR and NSR fans dislike it for the reasons given above, and while in game philosophy it is fundamentally in line with 3e and 5e, from the point of view of actual, practical game design it's objectively crap, with most of its splatbooks being considered universally the worst ever published under the D&D brand name.If someone wants to play one of the Hickman-style editions, there's tons of reasons to choose 3e or 5e or Pathfinder, but absolutely NONE for anybody to waste time on 2e.Now that's about actual 2etards, who are few and far in between, but that's also wholly unrelated to the anti-OSR/NSR trolls, who have decided to carry out an attack against /osrg/ and /nsrg/ because they just enjoy trolling, and at least partly, it seems also for paranoid schizophrenic imaginary political reasons, hence the constant references to presumed chuddery that they let slip.The trolls don't actually care about 2e. They don't play it. They have shown dozens of times that they're actually unfamiliar with 2e as an edition, as well as with first decade D&D.They have chosen 2e as the ptool to try and destroy /osrg/ and /nsrg/ because fact that it's so bad actually makes it the perfect anti-OSR/NSR trick: Defending 2e is guaranteed to annoy and elicit a reaction from anybody with half a brain.
>>96820776How many years in a decade Todd?
>>96821407The amount of actual gameplay discussion about 2nd ed has been nonexistent. its one pissbaby who can't deal with it not being part of /osrg/. They don't have a 2nd ed game, haven't ever been able to talk about that, all 2nd ed threads and generals have very minimal if any discussion of gameplay. Its a malicious autist.
Remember: Just ignore the troll and keep on keepin' on. >>96819564>OSE is $70 new IIRC and you can usually find copies of the Basic and Expert rules on ebay for $15-20 each.I wonder how many people held onto their B/X books thinking that one day they'd be collectors items.
>>96821563>its an osr thread Good point. Anyone tried the new edition of Dungeon World? There was an anon who posted the playtest rules a bit back.
>>96822058Remember to ignore this troll.
>>96822058Him having given up on his own thread and coming over to try and troll this one with his one-man show is pretty fucking hilarious.Just tap the OP and watch him cry bitter tears.
>>96822188>the oft touted boogyman No, you're bullshit is obvious to enough people you get regularly called on it by whoever happens to walk by.
>>96820684>probably pricey thoughThey're being sold in the $50-$70 range, which is somewhat surprising because you can get the originals for about $40.The whole aftermarket for D&D books is really wild. Some people are practically throwing the books away, and others are trying to sell them for hundreds of dollars.
>>96819993I fucking love tome-like books and antique looks. Hate "modern" looks that ruin the "Look at us we're wizards ha ha" thing you get.Digital PDF? Go modern.Physical book? Make it tome.
>>96818377>How good would full plate still be if the character lost just the chest plate and only their torso was exposed?As long as you have helmet/bracers/grieves/loincloth, everything else is a fashion accessory.
>>96822244>They're being sold in the $50-$70 rangenot to bad
>>96822554this calls for the that female plate armor webcomic with a reference to the survivorship bias illustration
