What are some other /tg/ truth nukes?
>>96819107Incompetence generally being the downfall of other companies is why gw stays on top.
But I'm not having fun unless I powergame and get bigger numbers than the other players!
>>96819107-Tieflings are cool and have interesting lore.-WotC making pro-LGBT art doesn't take away from anyone's games.-Men playing as women is perfectly fine and is weird for others to care.-Characters having intricate backstories makes the game more interesting.-I like 5E, and no, I'm not learning a new system. This is okay.
>>96819107Powergaming sucks for the same reasons taking steroids to win pickup basketball games would suck. Expecting players to explain and coherently choose their arguments in a dialogue scene is the same as expecting them to explain and coherently choose actions in combat. Miniatures should be minimal and functional. Dry erase standees and mats blow painted models out of the water.
>>96819147holy based.
>>96819107System Mastery and Character Optimization is an objective good for the purposes of TRPGs as power fantasy. The only time it ever causes problems is when it is a single player doing it without assisting the other players's builds.
>>96819147based>>96819129unironically based
>>96819147The first four are basedThe fifth is bad taste but said in a based way so I'll give it a pass
>>96819147>-WotC making pro-LGBT art doesn't take away from anyone's games.This is the only one I disagree with but moreso because I hate rainbow capitalism and corpos exploiting LGBT
Dungeons and Dragons 4th edition is a good game and the most new-dm friendly edition they ever released.
Nope I win every game every time
>>96819107Powergaming isn't a problem in systems that were actually playtested.
>>96819147>Tieflings are cool and have interesting lore.False.The truth is that you personally think they're cool and you are personally interested in their lore; these things do not change their state of being.>WotC making pro-LGBT art doesn't take away from anyone's games.Technical truth that ignores root issues, including but not limited to rampant, unabashed hypocrisy.>Men playing as women is perfectly fine and is weird for others to care.*it is weirdBut true. Roleplaying is about one deciding the character and behavior of someone who isn't oneself, after all.>Characters having intricate backstories makes the game more interesting.False.The truth is you are personally interested in backstories; this does not change its state of being.Not only that, but too much focus on backstory can easily get in the way of playing a game.>I like 5E, and no, I'm not learning a new system. This is okay.Technical truth.It is completely okay for a person to eat shit too, but it isn't okay for them to insist it's healthy to any degree or to suggest others do the same.
>>96819648False. My opinion on all things is absolute, objective truth, and my authority is supreme.
>le TRVTH NVKEHow about a /tg/ conspiracy theory?I believe that 4th edition D&D was a New Coke gambit. If WotC released 5th Ed after ~10 years of 3rd, there'd be a general outcry from their paypig fans. It'd hardly sell, and they wanted a mass injection of new blood since much of the "core" audience is aging out. I believe they tested the mechanics through SW: Saga Edition and saw how poorly it sold and was received. Since 5th was already finished (or mostly done) by this time, the higher ups commissioned the dogshit 4th Ed in line with eSports design to foster a schism. In order to control the outflow of said schism, Paizo was hired as controlled opposition: Pathfinder presents a false "alternative" with so many new options, a new campaign world, etc with content familiar enough that many gamers shifted over to continue thier FR, Eberron, or homebrew campaigns and dubbing it "3.75 Ed." This kept the target audience engaged with the product by proxy, if even through manufactured circumstances. (I also think that Joe Goodman may have caught wise and pushed out DCC to hook the remainder of the older demographic)By the time people started to poke holes in Pathfinder's design philosophy or Paizo's content glut – Lo and Behold – 5th Edition drops and it sells well. Its pushed by mainstream media, ropes in hordes of normies, failed normies, and useful idiots, and the parent companies of the "World's Greatest Roleplaying Game™" make a mint to pad the loss of dying boomers and disaffected fans.
>>96819854I believe this but I think paizo was an unexpected hurdle for wotc and not in on it
>>96819107Losing can still be fun.
>>96819854Eh. I think that 4E started life as a skirmish game side product but got crowbar'd into being a new edition of D&D to compete with Pathfinder and that the VTT and possible vidya was part of their larger plans but the lukewarm reception metaphorically killed the vidya and then the lead designer literally killed the VTT so they ended up putting 4E on life support while keeping 5E in the oven for a substantially longer period of time.Even then I don't think that 5E would have exploded the way it did without the massive pop culture bump from Stranger Things.
>>96819147>Tieflings are cool and have interesting lore.They used to, but no one actually roleplays one as they really would be, on the player or DM side. So now it's basically a fuckin satyr. Just another freakshit race with no actual depth that is explore. It's makeup. It's a costume.>WotC making pro-LGBT art doesn't take away from anyone's games.Yes it does because they define the flavor and culture of the game, as well as attracting new people to the hobby. So if you ever want to recruit a new player, the new freakshit fag players are diluting the pool of potential options.>Men playing as women is perfectly fine and is weird for others to care.Not really. Most of them do a terrible job of it and it's cringe. "It's weird for others to care" well it's weird for you to do it in the first place. This is a tabletop hobby you participate in with other people, it involves interacting with other people. This isn't your fucking MUH PRIVATE PROPERTY fauxbertarian pissing contest. >Characters having intricate backstories makes the game more interesting.When they actually come up, yeah. Otherwise it's just slop that pisses off the DM. Also there are limits to what should be allowed in backstories.>I like 5E, and no, I'm not learning a new system. This is okay.That's fine. It's not even that bad of a system honestly.
>>96819324>Dungeons and Dragons 4th edition is a good game Sure>and the most new-dm friendly edition they ever released.That would be Basic Expert, commonly know as B/X.>>96819616Objectively wrong and your criteria for "actually playtested" is guaranteed some circular logic bullshit. You don't actually understand game design if you think this. Protip: every time you add an option to a game, there's an exponential effect on the number of potential ability combos that will result in some overpowered shit. You can mitigate this with game design strictures that prevent such synergies, but at the end of the day "wahh they didn't playtest it enough" is just retarded.
>>96819107How is this a truth nuke? It's like the most basic concept of playing make believe.
>>96819929You forgot Covid
>>96819854>since much of the "core" audience is aging out.My dad still plays D&D 3.5 in his late 60s and bought every single book, spending more money on WotC products than most 5e trannies ever will.
>>96819147wrongwrongvery wrongokeh
>>96819974>Not really. Most of them do a terrible job of it and it's cringe. "It's weird for others to care" well it's weird for you to do it in the first place.NTA but ironically every time Ive met a dude rping a female character at a table it's like, completely fucking grounded and normal, save maybe a handful of cheesy, comedic flirting with an NPC.Genuinely? Women roleplaying/playing male characters has been WAY more creepy/uncomfortable/magical realm. Every time I've met a female roleplaying a male it's so unbelievably obvious it's just an avatar of a fetish/kink/character they want to fuck. Always seems to be "I Can Fix Him" types too.For all the shitty stereotypes of dudes being creeps, it's kinda wild I never see women get shit for it when they're arguably worse.
>>96820083women should not be playing the game to begin with
>>96819147Lore is worthless, especially if it's never acted on. Otherwise, Tieflings are just cosmetic sparkledogs for theater kids.Contemporary LGBT activism is out of place in D&D and WotC doing some rainbow capitalism while they mistreat their employees and price gouge their customers is actually especially objectionable.This is only a problem if you play with people who cannot separate fantasy from reality.Intricate backstories are fine, as long as they don't override the game because a player with main character syndrome expects top priority over the rest of the table.It is a problem, but only if you feel the need to inflict yourself on the rest of the hobby and expect your opinions and myopic understanding of the hobby to be treated as wholly valid.
>>96819147BASED
>>96819107Games have become less simulationist even though calculators have become easier to use (meaning that players who think math takes too long have less of an excuse).Also, a roleplaying game is a game in which the players make decisions as though they were a certain character (not as if they were a player), and the world accurately responds to them (rather than responding in the way which would be the most cool or fun for everyone).
>>96819107>Conan, what is best in life?>To crush your enemies, to drive they / them before you, and to hear the lamentations of their womyn!
>>96819983No, you actually don't understand game design. Balanced systems exist, and powergaming isn't a problem in them, so you're wrong.
>>96819854>>96819929>>96819929The truth is a bit stupider.>3.5 was winding down each new product was selling worse than the last.>Hasbro decides to no longer treat WotC as a single brand so MtG's massive profits would no longer be covering for D&D's lesser profits.>WotC talks Hasbro Executives into letting them go all in on a new online integrated edition of D&D to go with their "Gleemax" gamer social networking project. promising to turn D&D into a "major brand" like MtG, Monopoly, Transfomers etc>WotC revokes the Dragon and Dungeon magazine licenses forcing Piazo to start publishing their popular Adventure Paths as 3rd parties with the OGL.>WotC announces D&D 4e, the Dragon and Dungeon magazines will now be part of a monthly website subscription and there will be a VTT with that subscription.>4e ads rely on cringe humor and insulting the existing playerbase. playerbase starts to crack>GSL is revealed and pretty much no 3rd party publisher wants anything to do with it. Paizo makes Pathfinder so that their APs have an actively published game to support. part of the playerbase breaks off to follow Paizo.>4e launches and does pretty good but not "major brands" good>Gleemax fails due to lack of popularity>VTT cancelled due to murder suicide>Hasbro starts pruning the D&D team over the next year and a half for "low performance" until Mike Mearls ends up in charge. Mearls hates 4e.>Mearls talks the Hasbro executives into letting him do Essentials.>Essentials fails to draw back those who left and at the same time upset the existing 4e players.>4e canned shortly afterTo be continued...
>>96819107>muh everybody is a winnerD&D has an objective score-tracking mechanism: lifetime GP extracted from the Dungeon, otherwise known as XP. The abandonment of this principle is the direct cause of the enshittification of D&D.
>>96820488What do you win?
>>968204645e's story>Mearls brown-noses the Hasbro into letting him have another chance.>Mearls produces his 5e with a skeleton crew.>5e releases doing ok, but not enough to actually be anything more than a minor brand>5e more or less floats along>Stranger Things draws normie attention to D&D, 5e has it's first resurgence in 2016, 2 years after release>5e team starts publishing more stuff pandering more and more to the "modern audience">Covid happens>5e has it's second resurgence due to everyone being stuck at home>Hasbro now thinks D&D is a major brand due to targeting the "modern audience" rather than it being a temporary surge due to Covid>starts developing 5.5e targeting the "modern audience">5.5e releases targeting the "modern audience" and isn't very successful
>>96820495The most important prize of all: bragging rights.
So nothing, then.
“I have been accused of being a nasty, old, sexist-male Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gender names, and so forth. I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging" section, in the ‘Whorses and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part of dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’, and thought of perhaps adding and appendix of ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls and Going Viking’. Damn right I am a sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women gets paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room. They can jolly well stay away from war-gaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”-Gary Gygax
>it's not REAL winning if I don't get prizes!What are you even doing on this board?
Yeah, it isn't. If you don't win anything, there are no winners. So Moldvay was right, and you are wrong.
>>96820524Gygax was pretty firm in his stance that trying to bring girls into wargaming and tabletop RPGs was a dumb fuck idea and a waste of resources because the hobby doesn't appeal to women on a fundamental level.
>>96820528>hrrrm, well AKSHUALLY, we're not playing FOR anything, so you didn't really winBack to improv theatre with you.
>>96820537Yeah, Gygax was pretty retarded when it came to that and so are the faggots who agree with him.
>>96820524>t. retard who posts pics of shirtless men because his a faggot.
>>96820719I disagree. Girls and women who get into wargaming and TTRPGs like them for the be same reason that boys and men like them. Making Warhammer "for girls" appeals to absolutely nobody.He was also right that it isn't popular with girls, it's a niche hobby even among boys.
>A DM only rolls the dice because of the noise they make,-Gary Gygax
>>96819271>I hate rainbow capitalism and corpos exploiting LGBTThis, but for woke reasons.
>>96820083unironically kinda? I've seen some real weird men rping womenseen a lot more women rp as horned up fuckboys. Probably cus its seen as fine and harmless fun
