Why does this make so many fantasy fans seethe?Magic reviving the dead or stopping time is fine, but moving chunks of metal is step too far?
just play eberron
>>96821121Because of the type of players that "care" about trains. You know...
>>96821121I don't like it in most generic fantasy settings because it makes the world a lot smaller and implies the wilderness has the same danger level as the American 1800s, aka nothing attacks the train or fucks up the tracks enough to invalidate the usage.
Because, to most people, trains invoke the victorian era, industrialisation, and top hats, not fantasy.>inb4 it's bait retardI know
>>96821121Magitech is retarded as fuck because 9.9/10 times it's just regular technology but with glowy blue magic juice in the place of electricity/fuel.Can it be done well? Probably, yes, but most of the time it isn't.
>>96821185There's argument to be made for alt-history where roman empire reached the necessary technology and built rail network before collapse.
>>96821121>Why does this make so many fantasy fans seethe?>Magic reviving the dead or stopping time is fine, but moving chunks of metal is step too far?Magi-Tech is a midwit trope used by people who don't understand how either magic or technology works. It's unironically an insufferable Reddit misunderstanding parading around as insight.
>>96821121Probably because a "fantasy" setting that just reproduces the modern world with slightly different terminology is pointless and boring.
>>96821235>How magic worksIs magic, anon, It doesn't "work"
>>96821121>Why does this make so many fantasy fans seethe?It doesnt>Magic reviving the dead or stopping time is fineit's not>but moving chunks of metal is step too farIt isnt
>>96821276Shadowrun is (somehow) still popular, so there's audience.
What spell is being cast?Who's casting it?What's the advantage of meeting halfway instead of just using normal combustion to drive the train wholly?
>>96821121Magitech and Steampunk can be used in a "fantasy" setting. However, the people who tend to push this in their worlds tend to be lazy and it make the world less fantasy and more modern just with magic and renfair clothes.However we seen may settings where it works and works quite well. Just, you need to know what you're doing and not just be throwing shit in. Think if making a world like cooking. If you throw "everything you like" in there like a toddler cooking for the first time. It's going to be shit. You need to know how everything works before just adding shit in.
>>96821121What game?
>>96821185Fantasy isn't a time period or a place. If there is imaginary shit, it is fantasy.
Magi-tech sounds fucking gay and is just magic with the aesthetic of technology. You can literally wave your hand and create a portal to wherever you wish. There has never been a need for a train.
>>96821186that is done well retard
>>96821235lol irony
>>96821475Shadowrun justified it by having the setting be an alternate-history version of the real world where magic spontaneously appeared after modern technology already existed. Creating a new world from scratch and having magic reinvent historical technology with some glowy bits stapled onto it is just lazy.
>>96821185Most people don't understand that fantasy is more broad than they think.It isn't just swords and dragons like they think, it's anything impossible or highly improbable.In fact, a lot of people who say they don't enjoy fantasy actually do enjoy it, and either don't realize it or don't want to admit it.
>>96821121>seetheWhy bother?If you want trains that run on magic, you do you.I personally prefer my magic to require an active consciousness concentrating on it to invoke, so it can't be automated.Fantasy is about doing the things you want, and fantasy games are about playing the way you want. It's a waste of time and energy to get mad about games you're never going to play, especially when there's such a low barrier to entry for house ruling or outright homebrewing TTRPGs.
>>96821121I much prefer when magic and technology are in conflict.
>>96821121POST FIVE EXAMPLESFROM THIS BOARDIN THE PAST YEAROR GET THE FUCK OUT
>>96821121Your magic train could be derailed by the activity of any intelligent malicious creature in the Monster Manual, and a fair number that are just large burrowing animals.I can see it working in a peaceful, stable region, but your classic monster haunted and/or wartorn fantasy kingdom would have trouble keeping up the railway infrastructure.Unless you want a campaign to revolve around adventurers as glorified railroad bulls; which could be fun.But watch out for cowboy wizards performing daring train heists; the other problem isn't just that the tracks must be maintained, but that the train can be ambushed along it's predetermined route.I feel like flying machines would be favoured more in a dangerous magical land full of rampant monsters and devious beastmen.
>>96821702This, you don't like fantasy, you just like trains.
>>96821921I feel like mere presence of Rust Monsters in the region could render conventional railway unfeasible.
>>96821185If you can't handle cars in a game of make believe you might be autistic
>>96821536>instead of just using normal combustionWhy use normal combustion when the engineer is a pyromancer?
>>96821921>Your magic train could be derailed by the activity of any intelligent malicious creature in the Monster M-ACK!
>>96821133FPBP
>>96821991>needing fire at all>not powering the machine with 200 Decanters of Endless Water all set to Geyser
>>96821235The real midwit exposes himself
>>96821121Easily identifiable as a hamfisted insert. Go like trains outside.
>>96822050Space-Gnomes with interdimensional shovels will derail the very concept of trains, disjuncting them from the astral realm.Magical problems require magical solutions.And magical solutions lead to a cascading deluge of more magical problems.
>>96822182root of the problem is, once again, not exterminating gnomes soon enough
>>96821699Actually fantasy is set in very shortly post-roman britain, with the only "fantastic" elements being the traditional folk myth of the time and era like short people, dragons, and magic. All fantasy revolves around a stretch of time and land between the north of Scotland and the south of the netherlands, and between 500 and 900 A.D.
>>96821921I could see the utility of the train if it was built underground: going from example from Waterdeep to Skullport through a single tunnel.However it would still be at risk compared to a fucking portal. So i guess we should make portals more risky to justify our train.>>96821730We could reverse the trope and make a world where technology dissapeared overnight (gunpowder stopped working, etc.) - people remembers it but the only way to recreate it is through magic.
>>96821121>Inflammatory statement>Nonsensical follow-up lineCall us back when you have an actual subject to talk about
>>96822278Essentially correct.However other places do exist outside this geographical region; albeit populated by fantastical races and creatures, as they are more or less metaphorical stand-ins for "parts unknown".Folk myth is still the deepest well of symbolism and story to draw from.I unironically think that the further you stray from it, the worse your fantasy setting is.Every DM should read "The Golden Bough".
>>96821945But I like fantasy AND trains.
>>96822329Create a setting where trains make sense. Like Thomas-the-Tank-Engine-Realm
>>96822317>However other places do exist outside this geographical region; albeit populated by fantastical races and creatures, as they are more or less metaphorical stand-ins for "parts unknown".Which should, if included or expanded on at all, mainly consist of the folk tales of surrounding regions, a little drummed up to be bigger than they might have seemed otherwise to emulate how foreign lands might feel to a 6th century peasant. "What's that, you say? Giants of ice and straight trolls in the north of Finnasia?"
True fantasy is a world where such a massively complex thing as a train (requiring an entire developed society worth of organization, skills, trade networks, and whatnot) is simply impossible. It is a world that's fallen (or never gotten to) order and laws, where humans are hardly the powerful owners of the planet, remaking it to their liking. It's a world where Nature (and mystery) run freely and can run amock. It is Chaotic.
>>96821702no you can't retard
>>96821216Sure, one could make that argument. But just slapping glowing bits on a steam engine in order to justify its presence is lazy. Put some effort into the setting instead of just saying "it's fantasy so anything goes".
>>96821235This post made my morning. Understanding “magic” lol, lmao even.Captcha:NRRD8
>>96821766clothing is technology
>>96821418>>96822410I take it you've never had to call old Andras over for a tough job
>>96821121The moment you have magic duplicate the effects of modern technology you have turned your fantasy setting into a modern setting with extra gayness.
>>96821235How does magic work anon? Care to tell the class?
>>96822278nope
>>96822317retard
>>96822425Yup
>>96822384nope, fantasy is anything that has fantastical elements
>>96822436nope
>>96822278>>96822317>>96822359>Fantasy is an extremely specific setting with non-fantastical folklore explanations for everything as decided by some dead old faggot's bible allegoryYou niggers have been an absolute blight on media for literal decades. Can't even imagine the word "apple" let alone the thing itself.
>>96822405You can cast gate to go to literally any place.
>>96821702>There has never been a need for a train.I need to move 300,000 cut timber logs from one city to another.
>>96822475Too bad, that's what it's based on. Want a different setting? Try something else. Final fantasy already covered how to make a high tech "fantastical" setting work. And you don't need stupid ass magic trains to do it.
>>96822489Sure, a high level spell that few people/creatures can use for limited personal transport. Not feasible for moving common folks or significant volume of cargo.
>>96822507>Final fantasy already covered how to make a high tech "fantastical" setting work. And you don't need stupid ass magic trains to do it.There are literally magitech trains in FF6 you fucking mongoloid. This gif >>96822050 is from ff8.Admit it, you're retarded.
>>96822506just launch them there with peasant railgun?, it's only gonna take 1,800,000 seconds
>tfw magitech trains are older than the posters itt saying "magic trains dont belong in fantasy!"
>>96822518The trains in ff6 didn't look magical to me back when i played it
>>96822475There is a reason nobody plays Talislanta.It has no mythopoeia.It has no common frame of reference.It has no cultural background."Fantasy" that can mean anything, may as well mean nothing.Stories are not -just- stories.The best ones are true lies.
>>96822359Depends; I dislike the necessities of trying to juggle competing cosmologies for instance.If I'm playing in Fantastical Medieval Europe, and North Africa comes up, I'm going full dogmen and sciapod mode, rather than digging up some ancient Libyan shit that I have no cultural understanding or inherent appreciation of; exoticism for exoticism's sake is nice sometimes, but it almost always conceptually empty.
>>96822682>It has no mythopoeia.>It has no common frame of reference.>It has no cultural background.You can have all of this without regurgitating tolkien thoughever
>>96822519>just use thousands of people? It's only gonna take 500 hoursLogistics is your passion I see.
>>96822805Tolkien is part of my living tradition.Might be different for you, but I live a stones throw away from Sarehole Mill; Tolkien was writing to and for me; an Englishman with one foot in the mythic past, and one foot in the decaying present.If I was a gender confused african pygmy, then I probably wouldn't see anything for me in it either.Besides; I cited The Golden Bough; that's James Frasier's seminal work on comparative mythology.And what I drew from it is that the fantasy genre has mostly emerged out of the haze of the European folk-soul, made manifest.Other influences exist at the periphery, but they are no Ivanhoe or Beowulf.They simply aren't that important to the superstructure of the genre.
>>96822818>thinking of peasants as "people"
>>96822841Is God of War fantasy?Should be easy.
>today 4chan tought me Journey to the West isn't a fantastical story because it doesn't take place in Europe during 500 to 900 A.D.Learn more every day
>>96822856No.It's a homoerotic power-fantasy contrived by a 2000's dudebro with a nike tick shaved into his head.It is a nothing.A pale imitation of something barely understood.Go read Ovid's Metamorphosis.
>>96822930Is The Odyssey fantasy?Also>power-fantasy isn't fantasyHoly kek
>>96822908Nah, it's Wuxia.Which is the gookish equivalent.But still not really comparable to "Fantasy" - which is implicitly understood to mean Western fantasy grounded in European folk lore.Anything else is ooga-booga nigger shit, and is probably better studied through the lens of anthropology, rather than literature.Because white people are the only race dumb enough to allow their metaphysical origin stories and cultural morality plays to become subsumed solely into "entertainment".
>>96822938>Is The Odyssey fantasy?It's a story loosely based on events that might have actually happened distorted and embelished by countless re-tellings over the centuries until it got eventually codified in written form of "official" version.Kinda like The Bible.
>>96822985So... a fantastical retelling of events? Unless you think Cyclopses were real.
>>96822938Nope; Mythology.Different cultural context, different intent, different literary traditions, concerns and central themes.Try again, cabbage.
>>96822981>chinese fantasy isn't fantasyLol>the white race's metaphysical origin story>1500s pulp novels which inspired a british dude's way of venting about his PTSDJesus fucking christ you're an embarassment. Stop making whites into the manchild race.
>>96822997One unusually tall shepherd with only one eye that has bunch of kinsmen living within shouting distance (but the sailors have never seen them)? sounds believable to me
>>96821121My only issue is that its stupid to waste effort mixing physics with magic when you can just have magic. Don't use magic to boil water. Use magic to do something a tually fucking fun. Why invent a train using magic to do what an engine does, when you can just have teleportation circles? Or why build rails? Why not use cheaper levitation magic or flying carpets to create flying boxcars & then have the hole thing pulled by golem horses/other shapes & forms running along the ground at high speeds? Why have a regular train whistle when you could give it a Magic Mouth? You spend so much effort to be mundane instead of embracing the simple & weird
>>96822841>an Englishman with one foot in the mythic pastBut Tolkien wrote his books because you didn't have oneJust wewuz and getting conquered by Romans, Vikings and the French
>>96821216Even if it were the case, it'd look very different from modern trains.
>>96823053Sorry mate.I wasn't the one who synthesized the entire corpus of Western mythopoeia and mysticism into bedtime stories for children and child-like adults.I wanted to keep the tits and violence.Wuxia is from the standpoint of literary traditions - something distinct from but parallel to Western Fantasy.The lack of a broad overlap between appreciators of either is one phenomenon worth citing;Wuxia is generally confined to those with special interest in Chinese culture, rather than fantasy fans as a whole.
>>96823147Then what was he studying, numb-nuts?>What is The Battle of Maldon>What is Brunanburh>What are the writings of the venerable BedeTolkien was an expert in Anglo-Saxon literature and poetry, you goober.Stop parroting clapped out half-remembered postmodernist narratives.You can't make a lifelong indepth study of something that doesn't exist.
>>96821121Aesthetic. Trains are such a revolutionary technology that they fundamentally change the nature of the setting.
>>96823173>wooow we won one battle>wewuz kangs n shit
>>96823155Would not need engines at all, railway could just exist as "better road" for impulsorias and slave-powered pump wagons.
THIS JUST IN: 4chan scientists have discovered that sexual fantasies are not fantasies unless they take place around a stretch of time and land between the north of Scotland and the south of the netherlands, and between 500 and 900 A.D.Henceforth the correct grammatical term for all time spent thinking about fictional sexual scenarios not meeting the above description shall be called "sexual imaginifications"
>>96823156>wanted to keep the tits and violenceRetards have been jerking off tolkien since before you were born
>>96823198The poems, retard, we have a canon of literature and poetry.Scads of it.Some retard's wholecloth imaginings, cannot be compared to a work of Mythopoeia drawing from primary sources with their feet in the ancient past.>>96823262And that, for that matter, is why Tolkien is better masturbation material than your latterday glurge of choice.Lacking tits and violence?Sadly, yes.But the primary sources he's derived from are full of it, and all works are products of their time and place.This time and this place?Will produce nothing of lasting quality.Men who have forgotten the stories of their ancestors, have lost the voice of ages.They will never grasp their own golden bough, or challenge the sacred king.
>>96823423>Men who have forgotten the stories of their ancestors, have lost the voice of ages.Those who cling to the past are ill suited for making future.
>>96821703"No."It's lazy design. The presence of magic would and should cause a massive divergence in how technological evolution progresses. Most machines throughout history were shaped like they were because they had to accommodate specific moving parts that, at the time, had to function just so. Why would a magic engine have to be shaped the same way as a steam or electrically-powered one? It's unimaginative to just add some glowing lines to existing forms of technology and call it "magitech." Even setting aside that technology would progress in a different order due to altered necessity, the forms that technological advancements would take would naturally vary wildly from what we experienced in real life.
>>96823217So a Handcart with whatever recently "protected" Celts they can scrounge up operating the "engine." Ok, that works. Next issue is Materials, what are the rails made off, Bronze?
>>96823423>This time and this place?>Will produce nothing of lasting quality.Projection
>>96823457>It's unimaginative to just add some glowing lines to existing forms of technology and call it "magitech."I design anything else and you say it's overdesigned slop, anime shit, or scifi.
>>96821974Is funny because flying ships are a thing since at least the 80s and way more outrageous than a simple car.
>>96822489you don't know what magic is capable of in any particular setting and you don't know how many people are capable of using magic.
>>96822507Fantasy isn't a setting.
>>96823547Yeah a carriage that propels itself without animals is unacceptable.
>>96821216I prefer the bronze-age collapse alt-history where shit like the dead sea jar batteries and mythos of shit like the "adamantine" were actually the beginnings of a bronze-age industrial revolution.
>>96822682It doesn't have story? Fucking retard lol. Every myth is just a story written by some guy.
>>96823459You'd need something that can both carry the weight without deforming and endures the elements across all seasons. Bronze probably not gonna cut it, you'll need steel, just not whole beams of it, just thin stripes of steel on top of foundation made of precisely chiseled stone and/or (famously durable) roman concrete.
>>96822803Medieval Europe and North Africa aren't cosmologies. Does anyone on this board know what fucking words mean? Aren't you guys supposed to be le epic smart mans what be better than the evil reddit plebs? Why haven't any of you ever picked up a book in your lives?
>>96822841It's a book, not a tradition, get over yourself ffs. There's no such thing as a folk soul. That doesn't mean anything. Do you not have any redeeming qualities? Why are you desperate to find something that makes you feel special?
>>96822662>The trains in ff6 didn't look magical to meThe train you fight LITERALLY casts spells.You did NOT play the game.
>>96823562...but that's all boats. Do you hate sails because of a childhood trauma or something?
>>96823602Meant to say "yet"
>>96823072No.
>>96822414Why do you think that so many witches practice skyclad?
>>96823141Why wouldn't I boil water with magic if I could? We use electricity for practical purposes. We also use it for fun. The one doesn't preclude the other.
>>96823423Literature is imaginings.
>>96823457it's shaped the same way as shorthand for the audience, obviously, you brainless dullard. if everything in the story is alien to your experiences you have no reason to care.
>>96823625Thanks for conceding.
>>96821121At least design a different look to it. Floating horizontal menhirs that magically adhere to leylines would feel much more appropriate. Steam engines that look exactly like steam engines is lazy and jarring
>>96823683No.
>>96823641Nah.To create literature, you must be participating in a tradition.You have to have read something else first.It has to exist inside the context of an established orthodoxy.Otherwise, any combination of words on a page could be called "Literature" - and postmodernism is a condemned man immured in a monastery wall.
I think the prevailing notion itt that adding magic to mundane tech is boring is kinda funny actually. There's a lot to work with there.
>>96823689No, you don't have to be participating in anything, and no orthodoxy is required. You have no taste and no authority, you're not intelligent or well read, and you don't decide what words mean.
>>96823653>if everything in the story is alien to your experiences you have no reason to care.Existing market for romance novels, romcom mangas, and porn industry as a whole seem to disprove this point.
>>96823710No, they support it, since they universally without exception include elements that the audience can understand without explanation.
>>96821702Teleportation is the domain of elite wizards
>>96823723>elements that the audience can understand without explanation.even though the audience never experienced these elements?
>>96823542Don't make assumptions of my intent. If you make good designs, then I'll think they're good designs.>>96823653That sounds like a critical inability to analyze or sympathize with anything beyond your immediate understanding, which is not a problem I possess. Are you the same kind of person who thinks that all characters of all races in an RPG must be comparably humanoid for them to be compelling?
>>96821991Why rely on combustion at all instead of some other animating force? If we assume that pyromancy is commonly at play, then why not other forms of magic that could make transportation even easier without the need for the development of any kind of engine? If you're going to dedicate a magic user to powering the machine, you might as well develop something more sustainable that doesn't require a potentially volatile (in)human element need to be stable and consistent in administrating his magical might for the purpose of moving people and goods in a metal shell.
>>96823549That argument is self-defeating because at that point you could call into question the ability to create animating forces for any form of machinery.
>>96821793NAME 10 CEREALS
>>96822518Doomtrain is a fucking demonic ghost train. It's not magitech. The train in FF6 is also a ghost train, which isn't remotely the same thing as a magitech train.
>>96823423>Some retard's wholecloth imaginingsIsn't that just Tolkien
>>96824132Nah, Tolkien was a great historian, linguist, teacher, scholar and orator.Not because he has credentials out the ass, which he did, but because he spoke fluent 8th century Old English, and also studied languages as diverse as Icelandic and Hebrew, was something of a student of comparative mythology, which informs his notions of cosmogony and divinity, as expressed through his work.Tolkien is a scholar and a sage, and quite apart from "Some retard" - his imaginings are spun from the stuff of deep time and collective memory.
>>96824130Tbf, "Magitech" being a vague term, could conceivably encompass phenomena as broad as the "ghost" of a machine.A phenomenon which is both metaphysical and technological in origin.
>>96824197I think there's room for that consideration, but it's so far outside the common conception of magitech that the subject will rarely be relevant. I do think that animating the spirit or remains of an object is far more interesting that just throwing some technomagic do-dads on a normal train and calling it "magitech" though. It's still using a commonly recognized object, but the magical method by which it works justifies the common shape considerably better in my mind.
>>96824175Why read Tolkien instead of Sir Walter Scott since with the latter you'll get no imaginary bullshit
>>96824084Vanilla D&D 5e, Floating Disk has ho speed limit, weigh limit 500 pounds. mid-level character optimized to move fast (eg. tabaxi monk with rogue 2, druid 1 dips) and Boots of Speed that can cast Floating Disk via Iniate feat. Casts Disk, has naked lvl 1 chump halfling wizard sit on it (taking 40 pounds of weight limit, leaving 460 for cargo), chump casts disk too, has another chump sit on it and so on creating the chain. Somebody slaps tabaxi on the ass initiating combat, Feline Agility and Rogue's Cunning Action kick in, plus the Boots allowing the lead runner to cover almost thousand feet a turn (6 second), pulling the chain along. Turn to rest (reseting Feline Agility) and repeat, would need to change the boots every 20 minutes, and it's only sustainable for hour before the disk needs to be re-cast but in that hour the assembly can cover like 50 miles, which is decent enough.
>>96823451He who has no past, has no future.>>96823505Don't worry.It's coming to an end.This sterile time was an unnatural thing, that could not be sustained.If you meet a woman at the ford, washing the blood from a death-shroud.Do not ask her who's it is.>>96823706Not my authority.Not mine at all.There is a canon.There are many canons.There's the Western canon.And the classical Chinese canon.And others besides.And in time, dead men pile up, who's works have outlasted the lives of their critics, and they go into the canon, if their works are over time at last deemed great enough.There are qualities which can be identified in common with all the timeless stories.They are, as all works are, anchored in the time and place of their creation.But they are also anchored in the things that ran before them, that are perennial to the human condition.There are really, a handful of truly great story archetypes, which are told again and again, in permutations.These are the stuff of archetypal myth.All that comes after is a modification, or a derivation.Whether or not the derivation can be good, is seen on how it wears it's pedigree.Nobody writes a great book, who has not read at least some good ones.Postmodernism is the death of perspective, by contraperspective.It is an odious maladaption.There is no virtue in deconstructing for the sake of deconstruction.Deconstruction is merely the preface to a reconstruction.Cycles within cycles, wheels within wheels.The sacred king murders himself, to win the right to protect the golden tree from his successor.Each is the ritual husband of Diana, who lives and dies cyclically.He is eternally his own murderer and victim.
>>96824225Why not both?Imaginary bullshit is co-eternal with the human condition.Be it the overtly supernatural, the ideological, or the metaphorical-symbolic.
>>96821695Fucking newfag
>>96822278>the eternal anglo strikes againFantasy is anything up to the classical period of ancient greece with their mythological creatures world wonders and strange peoples
>>96823457
>>96821121>Magical train with a star of david on it.No thanks, I'm not interested in visiting fantasy Auschwitz...
I really like how Sword World 2.5 uses train. >>96821699This. Apeing Tolkien or REH is fine if unimaginative as fuck, but it's no more everything fantasy than Philip K. Dick is the whole of scifi.>>96822317>Every DM should read "The Golden Bough".Not even for using Frazer bullshit for a cthulhian game. Read The Witch-Cult in Western Europe instead which wasn't less bullshit but is a honest-to-god conspiracy ready to be played.
>>96821974Play a game, faggot.
>>96822307>We could reverse the trope and make a world where technology dissapeared overnight (gunpowder stopped working, etc.) - people remembers it but the only way to recreate it is through magic.That's just Vancian Magic though. D&D fireball is already a magic-based recreation of gunpowder, its material components are "bat guano and sulphur". Similarly there's the rule where creating alchemical items like acid requires at least minimal spellcasting ability.
>>96821121Why would it look like a train? Why would it even need wheels instead of flying? Why wouldn't it be something cool like a giant golem, a massive magical beast, or just some teleportation? Why must it resemble real life tech?
>>96822682>"Fantasy" that can mean anything, may as well mean nothing.Hoooly shit this is epic I'm taking it
>>96823627How fucking stupid are you? Im not saying you cant use magic to boil some water for tea or some shit. Im saying using magic to make a steam engine is fucking stupid & there are more interesting ways to do that shit. Like i said, a golem pulling levitating cargo over the land is way cooler than jumping through hoops to make a normal boring train
>he wrote an edgy poem for everyone ittnot beating the manchild allegations
>>96825612>a golem pulling levitating cargo over the land is acceptable>a golem with wheels pulling a chain of wheeled carts is unacceptableGot it
>>96825612sure, let's make it crazy silly train
>>96825468You don't even understand the irony lol
>>96823457Who are you quoting?
>>96823759Are you going to pretend you don't know which elements I'm referring to? Are you really that desperate?
>>96824064Actually it sounds like an ability to recognize storytelling devices which are good and serve a useful purpose, and also that the purpose of a story is not to simulate a world. I'm sorry you have zero empathy and are functionally a robot.
>>96826740I possess both empathy AND imaginative sympathy divorced from my own personal being. Be a more rounded person and explore viewpoints differing from your own. You don't need the same tried touchstones to connect to something.
>>96826819No one said anything about viewpoints or connection. You don't even understand what the discussion is about.I'll give you a hint : this discussion has nothing in common with the "I can't relate to an elf" discussions. At all.
>>96826567Thats not a golem. Its an engine. If it was a golem, i might like it more
>>96826898>Thats not a golem. Its an engineWhy not both?
>>96821121>Regular steam engine but glowing golden coal and a spell circle in front a a glowing aperture in the “boiler”.Idk, seems like anachronism. I’d think it’d look more like a modern maglev if it wasn’t just literally a bunch of freight wagons tied to a juiced up spirit horse or whatever.
>>96827129these new Pokemons keep getting weirder and weirder
>>96823459Iron or wood, bronze is too expensive to make rails out of. Iron is cheap, you won’t see copper alloy rails unless you push the invention of rail back past the invention of iron AND have your Bronze Age railroad carrying loads too heavy for wood.
>>96826898Golems are engines.
>>96821121>Why does this make so many fantasy fans seethe?Does it? I was under the impression trains are relatively common in fantasy, even otherwise medieval fantasy. I know Warhammer and Warcraft both have them, and those are some of the most popular fantasy settings. Almost every weeb setting is magitek, so trains would if anything be too low tech.
>>96827416what's tech level of Witcher anyway? pre-gunpowder?
>>96827168Funny thing is his final evo Coalossal is extremely gen 1 coded, maybe the most gen 1 coded mon since Aggron. It's a line that gets less weird as it goes.I think as far as weirdness goes the series peaked at gen 7 with the Ultra Beasts, but there are definitely some weirdos like Revaroom after that.
>>96821133/thread
>>96822317>Every DM should read "The Golden Bough".This is good advice, although fantasy is not purely defined by the mythology of the last millennia. For example, many early AD&D monsters were giant/otherwise monsterized versions of arthropods, reptiles, cephalopods, worms, fish, and other cold-blooded creatures, which is not really a typical medieval trope (although precursors existed in Scandinavian mythology such as Lindworms, Jormugandr, and the Kraken).
>So what do we use the infinite power of magic for? >WHAT IF IT WAS COAL TRAINS EXCEPT THE COAL IS MAGIC?!?!It doesn't use the magic in a creative way. Why even go through all the trouble of making something like this when you can just make a normal coal trains? Maybe at most conjure coal to power it? If it runs on magic, why limit it to moving on the ground with a fixed rail? No one would bitch if it was well thought out and cool.
>>96827645>No one would bitch if it was well thought out and cool.I suggested a golem train but APPARENTLY that's not cool enough for some people
>>96827645Most likely because ground travel has many advantages that air travel lacks, like infrastructure that is easier to build and maintain and whose failures are easier to route around, for example. Basically, all the reasons we still use trains in real life despite having aircraft. Why would you bother conjuring coal if you can use the same energy to power the train directly?
>>96827510Bad advice, rather.
>>96824130It probably isn't "Magitech" but there is literally a section of the game you're riding on Trains in Dahlia and even get into a boss fight on one
>>96824110https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSxnxmu1wFk
>>96821121Because it's lazy.>normal train with a tender and everything>slap a magic circle on the front and say it's magitech
>>96821121>look at this N'wah>this filthy outlander>he can't fly>he can't teleport>he cannot walk through strange angles and unseen paths that bend the world around him.>he builds monuments of steel and wood to move things powered by vague arcane insight>he doesn't grow his own pack animals, breed his own golem-slaves or summon those unseen things from beyond the stars.>doesn't even use something clever, he merely peers into the dreams of other men and steals their concepts.>you ain't got no orb>you ain't got no dark library>are you even a wizza?Peasants, n'wahs and swits really do come up at you and ask you to make the stupidest shit.
>>96827781it better be a giant stone insect
>>96822405>magic can raise the dead and stop time>can't make portals
>>96828108nah
>>96828164no, it can't do that either.
>>96828205>no, it can't do that either.>>96821121>Magic reviving the dead or stopping time is fine, but moving chunks of metal is step too far?
>>96828237Yes, the OP is a retard. Any other brilliant insights for us?
>>96828123>stone insectNah.>stone centipedeNow we're talking.
>>96828244>"OP is a retard">defends OP's positionHmmm.
>>96821121for me it's flavour issue, i could see it with fire elemental/magic or some form of golem/construct, but whatever is going on in pic related... just doesn't gel with me
>>96828355so you didn't understand my post at all? lol
i love trains, shame the only prominent train setting is le epic murder mystery. ideally everyone should just become a train, always on track, never late, never has to worry about steep inclines or sudden turns, lots of warning signals ahead of time, can carry any cargo including other trains, endless joy seeing the countryside roll by, always a smooth ride, only getting faster and sleeker in design. yep, that's the life.
>>96821121The fucking driving gear on that thing is abominable. Holy shit use a reference
>uninitiated pleb doesn't even recognize the insidious and occult elements of the steam locomotivekekRead Stefan Grabiński's work.
>>96821974Kill yourself normalfaggot.
>>96822414You don't understand the conflict, because you are an idiot.
>>96821121Traditional games?
>>96821121This just feels like a picture someone would send me about real life , with the caption."Jew bullshit"I am not trying to derail this treath into /pol/ bullshit , I speak from the heart.
is train has 271k horsepower thanks to magic.
>>96828705*this
>>96828688>I am not trying to derail this treathCarlos!
>>96821121Mostly because fantasy draws on ancient myths. medieval or earlier historical sources and most casual RPG DMs and players dont know much about them nowadays. They are to busy gooning over tiktok or being distracted by the never ending 'chain of latest things', so insert things they are familiar with ( modern trains, rocket ships, lifts, wheelchair ramps), instead of using traditional things that more educated people know about. It seems cheap, lazy and stupid when they insert a modern thing and doesnt take into account the chains of technologies that are needed before they can create such a device.If you really need a big overland transport device that FITS into a medieval or ancient themed setting, there are lots of mythical devices you could use instead of a poorly though out modern insert:Norse myths mentioned the Skidbladnir, a ship that could traverse all seas and lands, Indian myths mention Viminyana, flying machines and gigantic chariouts that could carry armies. If your world includes giant creatures, maybe have a few tamed and pulling giant carts or carriages, or have wizards use powerful magics to propel a DeVinci looking device (made from wood, not tons of valuable metals).
>>96828753if you gonna tap into Indian mythology you might as well include Juggernaut - slow but unstoppable.
>>96821121Because it's a rip off from Harry Potter and shows the retarded level that the DM is operating on? When most people play a fantasy game, they want to play a great hero who explores a world of wonder and strives and succeeds against mighty forces, not some precocious kid millionare at school.
>>96828767And there is always some poor kid who has a sucky life, but then he's visited by someone from a hidden world of awesomeness? Who explains to the kid that the kid is the Chosen Kid, and everyone is waiting for him. To fight, and to win, and to accept treasure, and to accept love, and to rule the hidden world of awesomeness like the handsome little asshole that he is.Heh. Happens all the time, right?I guess every one of us is just hoping to turn out to be one of those forgotten Chosen Ones, right?
>>96828827Maybe not all the time but children from poor background do get picked up as a special someone every once in a while, to get personally acquainted with most famous individuals in the realms.
