Previous: >>96821041Green Card edition>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Make custom cardshttps://magicseteditor.boards.nethttps://mtg.designhttps://mtgcardsmith.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>Thread themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ4Z9Zq2GAY>TQ:Whats your favorite Green card
I love hyperspecific cards that do something weird.
>TQthe real workhorse of my xenagos deck
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>96827680>Whats your favorite Green cardthree visits
>>96827521Re postin the question:How do we save Myriad?
>TQsilver bullets in greendon't mind paying extra for choice
Someone asked last thread to see one of my mats. So I guess post mats
>>96827792what is there to save ?it is a nice toolsac pings are nice
Causes seethe every time. Nothing feels closer to slapping your giant cock on the table.
>>96827914Forgot pic
cough
How do I keep this little nigga alive for more than 1 millisecond?
You know sometimes I think people won't self-report that they're retarded on the Internet, then I see a Commander player voice their opinions on the format.
Yeah I'm using these
>>96827687>Painter's Servant>Cast when an opponent does something on your turnI forgot how much I loved this fucker during my Johnny days.
>>96827680>TQI refuse to play green cause it's a shit color.Also yes I play Red how could you tell?
Fair and still strong
Gabin help me! I need more cards for my Mono-White Goblin deck.
>>96828000Same way anybody does: protection and reanimation. You are playing white, and probably black. You should have ample access to both. Nobody likes running blacksmith's skill or whatever, but if you need to keep something alive, you gotta run shit like that.
>>96827680>Whats your favorite Green cardEasy.
>UNBAN MY ZESTY ELF YOU WOTC FUCKERS
>>96828283This isn't how greentext is used, retard.
>>96827680>tq
Reminder: the hybrid mana change will happen. The decision has already been made.
>>96828443What's being changed I haven't heard of this?
>>96828443can't wait to put uhhhhConclave Evangelist, Oracle of Nectars, and.. Blade Historian? in white/black clerics.
Is Thassa's really that cheesey if I have 20+ devotion to blue and exiled most of my deck with magus of the mind/minds desire? I can replace this with lab maniachttps://archidekt.com/decks/16586815
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>>96828443If you play a hybrid mana in a deck that doesn't have those colors I will rip up your card and tell you to go to another pod.
>>96828558no you won't, you won't even say anything about it like the manbaby you are
>>96828565Your cards are already in the trashcan, bro. You don't even know it yet.
>>96828570sure, buddy, whatever you say
>>96828575>And then he said "sure, buddy, whatever you say." Can you believe it? He gave up so easily. Yeah babe, let's get the caviar for an appetizer.
>>96828443Good.
>>96828589Why did you call your mom "babe"? Is she not supposed to leave you alone, she always sits in the back when you're here and you really aren't that nice to her when you make her buy you cards.
>>96828558No you won't.You're a conflict averse little bitch.I could whip out a fucking vexing shusher in my mono green deck NOW, before the rules change is locked in, and you'll mumble out some quiet objection that everyone will ignore because they've already started to turn out those annoying little whinges you have.
>>96828443Cool. Most hybrid cards are pretty niche shit. Maybe I'll use more of them now.
>>96828558What are they doing to hybrid mana??
>>96828597>goes into a simic decklame
>>96828604If you do that your deck would be going through the paper shredder, and there is not a god damn thing you could do about it.
>>96828529bumpI really want to make a Innala/magus deck but trying to find wincon
Has anyone made an unorthodox infect deck like mono red or mono white and have it actually work? I want to make an infect deck but not rely on black or green.
>>96827910Never stop believing, Toski poster, never stop believing!
>>96828529Thoracle is only cheese if you're using the combos that exile your whole deck. Doing it honestly is soul.
>>96828599>>96828604Embarrassing display fellas. Gunna be hard to tape those cards back together with all those tears in your eyes.
>>96827910I hate you. You can't just keep posting it. Fuck you.
>>96828812They're answering the TQ settle down.
>>96828443>sunset the old format and start a new commander format with 5 separate mini-formats with specialized rules>This is fine>Change Hybrid mana>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>96828558If you touch my property I have a legal right to lethal force in numerous states.
>>96828856>this is fineLiterally NO ONE wanted Brackets. This is revisionist autism and I won't tolerate it.
>>96828867HAHAHAHAHABrackets are so heavily defended here it is actually insane. Go fuck yourself you lying golem of a human being. No one would miss you at all you worthless worm.
>>96828529It isn't cheese. But expect retards to whine anyway due to an inflexible mind.
>>96828869I don't know what bizzaro version of 4chan you're reading off of, but no one likes/wanted brackets and we've been shitting on them/angleshooting since day 1.
>>96828014Is Urza really that bad when I cast him in my Eggman deck?
>>96827680>Whats your favorite Green cardThey never see it comin'
>>96827687I am running this and I am yet to cast it.
>>96828895I can't wait to play it more in my Marisi deck. Let them beat each other with artifacts!
>>96828935I mainly have it to absolutely anal rape artifact token users.
I wish I could use coomer things
>>96828895Not sure what deck I'd use it in, but I may need to pick one of these up.
>>96828895Kek, I definitely would not see that coming in monogreen.
>>96829004Are you pro or anti hybrid changes?
>>96829016Hybrid cards are multicolor cards
>>96828443>Hybrid mana change before legalized silver border cards>RC was going to do it before they got suddenly axed>will never get legal silver border nowIT'S NOT FAIR!!!
>>96829023...just ask to play them, retard.
>>96829034No.
>>96829035>NO I HAVE TO HAVE THE RULES CHANGE TO FORCE MY AUTISM ON YOUTranny.
>>96829022Rare Swordbro L
>>96829022>times so grim and so shitty that even a tripfag makes sense
I miss the old Un- sets where there was no expectation of legality. They could do whatever nonsense they wanted without having to worry about balance or the meta.
>>96829040Sorry, bud. I genuinely consider them both since they are multicolor, just with a neat design that makes them easier to cast and easier to use in formats that don't have color identity.>>96829042I genuinely just dislike WotC becoming too comfortable changing the rules.
>>96829037You ok?
>>96828443If true that will change the color identity of decks it can go into.Colorless cards can go into 100 percent of decks.Monocolor cards can go into 50 percents.2 colors 25 percent.3 colors 12.5 percent.So hybrid can go into 75 percent of decks.
DA KING IN DA NORF
What is the best zombie precon out of grave danger, undead unleashed, and eternal might? Looking for a fun out of the box play experience.
>>96828443Obviously.What you didn't know however is that there's going to be a Jem and the Holograms Universes Beyond
>>96829240The one that isn't a starter deck and isn't 125 dollars.
i have an Azusa lands deck, but its pretty generic, not really that exciting to play. Has all the usual staples.Was considering turning it into a more graveyard land focused deck, so was either looking at Lumra or Titania? I have both Titanias in the deck atm as sort of 'secret commanders' I saw some stuff with like Lumra loops in cEDH that was cool and wondered if it could be used as a combo ender in a casual game (my pod is nearly all bracket 4) but idk if Lumra is that good as a commander outside of that and if i'd be better of making the commander Titania?Anyone got a deck with either?
>>96829278I didn't think the starter deck looked that bad. It has a lot of similar cards to the more expensive undead unleashed
>group wants to do Tiny Leaders because one of them gets butthurt that he can't politicWhat is the best deck to cheese it? I was thinking of Feather.
Honest thoughts on Infinite Guideline Station as a commander?
>>96829411> wubrg slop> ub slop> do thing draw card slop
>>96829435>wubrg badshit take.>UBit isn't, it's from EoE a set just as canon as Urza's Saga, Alpha, and Mirrodin.>Drawing cards in a card game badWhy do you even talk?>>96829411It's probably fun if you can keep up with it, but be warned that you should keep a running count of your multi-colored permanents as to not make your turns more confusing than they have to be. What is the goal here?
>>96827707I run that fella in my Goreclaw deck
>>96829369Any combo list is better in tiny leaders. The small deck size makes it really easy to assemble combos. Just pick something like pic related which has a ton of combo redundancy under 3cmc and collect your wins.
I want to build an artifact token deck. recommend me good commanders/strats.
Anyone here play this card? It's really intriguing to me but I haven't actually drawn it yet since adding it to a deck.> Copying spells for 0 mana after initial investment of 4> Which is a perfectly fine turn 3 after a turn 2 ramp piece> Can be untapped for more free copies, won't even add to the time counters> Tezzeret tutors and/or untaps it> Chances are after you cast and copy six spells, you'll win anyway> If you have 6 counters on it, you can cast a disenchant or bounce, copy it, target the recording with the copy, and have that resolve before the 7th counter it put on it> You can do this with Garth One-Eye's disenchant> You can cast a Bring to Light or Mizzix's Mastery, then tap the recording in response to copy the free spell> You can copy spells that make token copies of this and end up with three cursed recordings
>>96829480Im tempted by it. I guess its good enough. But I dont have it in my izzet deck. Probably good to have a way to sacrifice it somehow.
>>96829470Fully depends on what you're looking for, and in what colors, but here's some.>Mono Blue UrzaGenerally you use this to make tokens for big mana and stax people out with things like Trinisphere, Static/Winter Orb, and run your way into a combo finisher>Esper UrzaMuch more combat focused, generating Karnstructs every turn with access to white for token doubling. You can obviously play this with a control angle, or just with lots of small dudes to make Urza cheaper to play and get it rolling faster>Grixis Mishra (Eminent One)Make copies of literally anything, slap people with them, double up on ETB and Attack triggers with it. Could win through combat or dig out infinite turns/combats like I did>BreyaMy white whale... I'm sure someday I'll know what I want to do with her, but she makes/uses tokens so she's on the list.
>>96829448>What is the goal here?Honestly no goal I just wanted to ask what anons think.Personally I think it's rather cool, but doesn't seem worth building around. Or rather what I want to say is; It feels both cool and bland, with its effects.Creates some tokens upon entering and draws you a card for each multicolor... and that's it.Best I can imagine is making a coalition-esque deck where it's about putting as many multicolored cards as possible in the deck, a no maximum hand size card, and just start drawing your entire deck. But I'm not a good deck builder.
>>96829470Voltron artifacts. Spam cloos and foods
>>96829506Is your izzet deck "lots of cantrips spellslinger" or more on the "big spells" side of things? Cause in the former, it's not good. In the latter, chances are you won't even get to the seventh counter because you're gonna be winning so much you're gonna get tired of winning.Plus you can always copy an abrade or a prismari command or a chaos warp or some polymorph thing.
>>96829470Orvar cloning battlespheresSai cheeriosBrudichad
>>96829470Breya Thopter TribalPia Nalaar Exile Draw And Thopter TribalAnim Pakal AggroJan Jansen Turning Shit Into More Shit
>>96829535But which companion? Dan? Sarah?
>>96829599Sarah.
>>96829518>My white whale...what the fuck does this mean?
>>96829864it's his BBW for whom he likes to split his lungs with blood and thunder
>>96829864>being less literate than a faggot pedophile furry Whew lad.
>>96829917>faggot pedophile furry???????
>>96829952Use your words dipshit.
>>96829973I do not understand what you meant by your previous post, could you please elablorate on that?
>>96828320>This isn't how greentext is used, retard.
>>96828000My man, have you ever heard of Sun Titan before?
>>96830043>>96828554Anon seethed so hard he made 2 posts lmao
ban frogfags on sight
>>96830100this but wojaksFrogs are benign if they aren't le smug pepe
>>96828529If it’s not a combo piece then it’s not even that great. Just a bit of cheeky top deck manipulation for cheap.And really, if your Thoracle combo usually goes off by turn 7-8 then I don’t even see it as egregious. The game should be ending by that point anyways.
>>96828443I hope not but I know you are rightPrepare your anus
>>96827687Do you have more? I'm making a Frieren EDH deck based on that card archetype.
>ban frogfags on sight
>>96829023Kys
>>96830164no u
>>96829023>the spam of saars has made all image searches impossible due to spam of AI imagessigh>>96829067I like some cards that are semi-usable and fun from Unfinity, especially the one that gives triplestrike, and Plot Armour
>>96830133What archetype?
>>96828443>doing this change BEFORE the public has access to lorwyn2 They are sneaking some bullshit in 100%
>>96830023By asking about an allusion to Moby Dick, makes you less literate than the tripfaggot who is attracted to men, animals, and children. What the fuck else could I have meant retardkun?
>>96830125>turn 7/8Shit at my LGS goes for like 2 hours.
>Generally, you should expect to be able to play at least eight turns before you win or lose.uhm you cant attack me. we are on turn 6 in a bracket 2 game. you cant win this turn.>proceeds to combo for win with counter backup on turn 9
>>96830185The hyper specific card that does something weird.
Ban it Gavin
>>96830219Yea, the whole "can't lose by X turn" thing is even more retarded than the bracket system used to be. It's like a universal fucking pillowfort at this point.
>>96830276there is currently a discussion in our play group how this new bracket systems fucks over aggro and voltron. The casuals are not happy.
>>96830276I liked the direction of game changers as a concept; you run this card, you're in this tier. I thought it might be interesting to do a thing similar to point based armies, where certain point values are set to cards, and brackets are determined by your point value. It'd be a pain in the ass to do it for every card, sure. But since it's the most popular format and WotC is supposedly doing better than ever, they could put resources into it.Having a "you can't lose" rule doesn't differentiate between a bad deck or bad playing.
>>96830192what the fuck is going on
>have win turn 3>sandbag until appropriate turn>present win>by this stage opponents have their disgusting value engines up and have all the answers >lose game
for me, it's fishing gear
>>96830329Ultimately the underlying problem is that the game is too fast, and turn floors are an earnest (if flawed) attempt to slow it down.
Be honest with me guys.In Universe proxies cringe or based?
>>96830379problem is course that hard limits like that are a disproportionate buff for decks that can afford to play passive until a certain turn, while more aggro decks that just happened to have gotten a "wins on turn 5 loses on turn 6" sort of hand get shafted
>>96830382I like them.
>>96830382Do you actually know what an echidna looks like, anon?
>>96830329*plays one (1) grand abolisher*
>>96830382Generally yes, but these ones look like shit. The art doesn't remotely fit.
>>96830320Real ESL hours>>96830382Based, but yeah look up what echidnas are.
The thing about bracket rules, game changers and turn limite is that they're currently imagining a normal person capable of communication and designing the system around them, not around the most evil antisocial sicko possible who plays only to frustrate and annoy their alleged friends
>"hmm I need to buy like 8 cards">they're hilariously overpriced (by 50% or so) or straight up unavailable on card kingdom>go on tcgplayer>cheaper and reasonably priced, but no matter how I use the optimizer it always ends up with 6 packages>don't want to pay shipping for 6 packages OR have to deal with watching for 6 untracked envelopes>go to LGS>they have jack shitHow the fuck do you deal with this shit?
>>96830100
>>96830456>not around the most evil antisocial sicko possible who plays only to frustrate and annoy their alleged friendsThat's literally the best part about commander though.
>>96830461if they're unique cards you want to play because they're fun just proxy if they're generic value cards, just get the slightly worse but drastically cheaper option all of them have
>>96830100What do you have against my man?
>>96830318Game changers, for the most part, fail because it's damning 99 other cards for the supposed "sins" of one.I have an Ivora deck thats pretty fucking casual, but suddenly WotC is dictating my powerlevel because I put in Gamble? A card that I may, realistically, see perhaps 1 out of every 3 games, and even then it's likely grabbing/entombing a Crucible of Worlds or Anger?Powerlevels weren't much better, but at least they tried to get people to judge their deck as a whole.I can have a shitty meme deck that I love playing, and Vamp Tutor and Mana Crypt merely help give it SOME fucking teeth, and on the inverse, I can run a deck without a single GC and pubstomp the shit out of most low bracket games because it was my intention to be a massive overbearing piece of shit.It's fucking pathetic and obvious WotC is desperately trying to amend brackets because almost every criticism people threw at them has come true, but the EDH playerbase as a whole is full of non-confrontational slop sucking Reddit paypigs who would never let you bash the precious and benevolent Wizards
>>96830524>almost every criticism people threw at them has come trueLike?
>>96830524>I have an Ivora deck thats pretty fucking casual, but suddenly WotC is dictating my powerlevel because I put in GambleThen don't put in Gamble nigga. You are very much the exception. You can put Tolarian Academy in a casual deck that's only going to get 2-3 mana out of it. You can put Tinker in a deck to cheat out Parhelion. That doesn't mean these cards aren't busted as fuck and gamewarping.
>>96830535The big one is how much of a bitchfit the "Bracket Committee" (or whatever the fuck they're called) threw over tutors and how any/and all tutoring immediately pushed your deck into higher brackets because it's unfair.People obviously called this out for being massively retarded, especially with conditional tutors such as Steelshaper's, or Stoneforge, or inefficient ones like Diabolic Tutor.Lo and behold the committee is now tucking it's tail between it's legs and going "Oops haha, yeah #NotAllTutors guiz, haha woopsie uwu"
>>96830550So, they made a mistake, acknowledged it was a mistake and then corrected it? Damn.
>>96830461I currently just update my wants list on cardmarket with random stuff I'm interested in. Like >>96828000 seems interesting for a deck or two of mine. Otherwise, I have another just with staples that I check whenever I order stuff to just add a bit.But I don't feel like buying yet, so I'll wait and just proxy what I wanna play.
>>96830524It's funny you mention that.>deck can have total poop for a commander and 99>but if you have 3 (?) GC, the deck is suddenly a bracket 4>meanwhile you can run Zhulodok and every big bad Eldrazi, all the "non-GC" fetches like Eye of Ugin, Conduit of Ruin, etc etc>can even toss in a few GC like Ancient Tomb and Mana Vault>"bracket 3 lmao"
>>96830549>Sorry bro you can't use that card because retards on the internet that none of us will ever meet are using it to bully peopleBoth you and WotC can lick my nuts. It's a singleton format. Unless you're brand new to the format or the game, you are fully aware of your intention when you put a card in your deck and why it's their.These game pieces do not exist in a vacuum independent of the 99 other cards around them.
>>96830566Oh, it's a singleton format. Then we should unban fuckin Time Walk because it's only one card out of 99, right? Stop being retarded.
>>96830571Not him, but his point is that if the rest of the deck is shit, why should a GC or two drop you in the bracket that has super optimized decks.
>>96830565Yes, you can make an utterly dogshit meme deck and call it bracket 4 by engaging with the rules in bad faith, what a surprise.
>>96830562>Introduce a system nobody wanted or asked for>Receive massive pushback and valid criticism from the community why this is awful>Dig in your heels and essentially dismiss any and all naysayers by labelling them Twitter Buzzword of the Week>Time passes>Naysayers were proven right>Try to walk back your stance like a bitch and act like you never demonized them and we should all just hug it out and prease understanderuBootlicking faggot.
>>96830578Because these cards are problem cards and they will, more often then not, warp the game. Just don't use them nigga, if your deck is supposed to be casual. That's literally all they're asking, don't put Rhystic in your shitty bracket 1 deck, just don't do it.
>>96830382extremely based.mind you, I don't mind if the UB is actually MTG-adjacent, but since so much of it isn't it's cool when people proxy UB cards to retain MTG flavour.
>>96830583That's a lot of shit that didn't happen.
>>96830571Your example is extreme, but not the gotcha you think it is.Yeah if the rest of your deck sucks or is intentionally casual, Time Walk isn't going to catapult it to hyper competitive Tier 1 status.There's literally a joke in the Vintage community that Time Walk is the worlds most expensive copy of Explore because if you don't have anything else to do with it, sometimes it really does just draw you a card and give you an extra land drop.
>>96830596>If I stick my fingers in my ears and only believe what WotC tells me, bad things don't happen.Okay anon.
>>96830589>Because these cards are problem cards and they will, more often then not, warp the game. Just don't use them nigga, if your deck is supposed to be casual. That's literally all they're asking, don't put Rhystic in your shitty bracket 1 deck, just don't do it.I hate apologists like you so much it's unbelievable.
>>96830599>Explore because if you don't have anything else to do with it, sometimes it really does just draw you a card and give you an extra land drop.I mean, if you play like a retard all cards are bad and all classifications are meaningless, whoop dee fucking doo.
>>96830614Oh so now we're doing the "dies to removal" bit. Guess we should just make Tolarian Academy legal again because Cleansing Wildfire exists!
>>96830421>>96830431>>96830433what are you on about? echidnas are a made up thing.
>>96830620Yes. Either that or also ban Cradle.
>>96830524>I fucking need mana crypt to keep up!If mana crypt is allowed, then 75% of the time someone else will use mana crypt to get so much ahead that it's the reason you feel like you can't keep up with your suboptimal deck. If no one plays fast mana, then chances are higher you get to later turns where you can actually slap down some of the really good mono-coloured value cards like caged sun.You're also ignoring the fact that you're also supposed to evaluate your deck on speed for the bracket system to fit it in because some decks can be strong without GCs.
I think I found my favourite card anons
>>96828678I do run brainfreeze and recursion to get some huge cast counts for minds desire/magus of desire
>>96830679the average /edhg/ anon.
Holy shit. I just realized that building an edh deck is like the character customization screen in an rpg
>>96827680
>>96830706Yeah right down to people that choose easy mode in a game that's already extremely easy, and you wonder why until you see them playing worse than DSP and coping harder than him.
>>96830524>desperately trying to amend bracketsThat was always the point retardanon.
>The easiest thing to opt out of is someone's commander.>power alone isn't a reason to list it as a Game ChangerYo, what? It's like they forgot gc are bans in b2.
>kinnan fat cunt prodigy off the gc list>crop rot still onThis injustice must not go unpunished
>>96830825>lets play b2>ok this is my b2 yuriko deck>no the fuck it isn'tI think that's the intended path
>>96830524>I can have a shitty meme deck that I love playing, and Vamp Tutor and Mana Crypt merely help give it SOME fucking teethChrist you're a shitter. "No bro it's a jank low power deck - why do I have a bunch of crutch cards? Well I want to win with it too even if I can't figure out how to do so at my bracket level el oh el"Untrustworthy faggots like you are exactly why we need this retarded bracket system in the first place because there's way too many stupid cumgarglers in this game who can't be trusted to stay in their lane without being forced to do so. Cocksuckers like you are why we need to have traffic lights every block when, if society wasn't burdened by faggots like you, we could have yield signs and roundabouts to maintain a flow of traffic. You're the reason why everything in a store needs to be locked up or put behind a counter. You're the reason why there's time limits at attractions. You're the reason clubs have bouncers. You're the reason why conservation officers exist. Mother fuckers like you are exactly why we as a society can't have anything nice or trust people not to be stupid selfish faggots. Fuck you. Fuck you fuck you fuck you FUCK YOU FUCK YOU.
>>96830524Either you want to play Mana Crypt and Vamp Tutor, OR you want to play jank. If your jank can't work without these cards, either deckbuild better of fucking deal with it.
>>96830858Why add the extra complication? >pod full of retards>everyone else says ok>oh damn what a non-game lol>that never happens I swearWhat am I supposed to do? Sit out a round? Most stores I visit have like 6 people playing. The reason for brackets is not for personal playgroups, its for randos at an lgs. It seems like the nuRC doesnt fully grasp that.
>>96830929Switch out your commander, duh.
>>96827687
>>96830937Then whats the point of allowing them in the bracket in the first place?
>>96830951I don't know, I think not wanting commanders in the GC list is a stupid decision overall. It feels very counterintuitive to the whole point of the list and I guess they're relying on players to catch the retarded ones by themselves, which sure is a fucking decision.
>play at LGS>they don't do brackets or anything like that>only rule is no infinites >everyone there is upfront about their decks and doesn't try to bullshit you about it>everyone has a fun timeIt's really that simple. We all sort ourselves into roughly equal pods (e.g. all the cedh sweats play together, people with precons play together, etc), and we just have some fun.
>>96830929Unironically this is why I malded so hard at the announcement. Before brackets there was a constant stream of "power 7" Kinnan decks and it always had the exact same result. If you EVER told them "no" they would whine incessantly about how you weren't giving them a chance and it was their only deck etc. etc. Then the other two tards at the table would ask you to stop being mean and let him play a game. The obvious happens and the Kinnan wins, trying to downplay it. The other 2 retards let him play ANOTHER game and ha ha there goes 90 minutes of your time because two other people decided they wanted the evening to consist of Kinnan games.I'm so glad I got to experience this again.
>go to LGS in 2026The player to the right is using his commander, the Titanic, to attack the player to your left, who's commander is Dwight from the office, the Titanic connects, netting him treasures he uses to cast Reaper king, making sure to use the treasures to add one mana of each color. He passes the turn to the third player across from you, who's commander is the green goblin, he drops a fortnight boogie bomb and takes out the player to your left. You browse your phone during all of this and you see they just announced a new universes beyond set. You weep, because this was unfathomable 10 years ago
>>96831012>netting him treasures he uses to cast Reaper king, making sure to use the treasures to add one mana of each color.Oh wow he paid 5 whole treasures to destroy one (1) permanent. Woop dee fucking doo.
Is there any way to make clues cost 0?
>>96830991The other unexpected side of it is, if people are going to police commander power as rule 0 instead of via the brackets the dumb shit like >anon mirri is way too strong for this table! >nooo you cant play massacre girl>are you kidding me with that crosis bullshit?!
>>96830929>What am I supposed to do?Develop social skills, build a network of like-minded friends, and stop playing with randos. You're scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to crash game nights at the LGS.
>>96831012>drops a fortnight boogie bomb and takes out the player to your left.He took out a player with an artifact that deals 1 damage?
>>96830918But Sol Ring is still untouchable, huh?
>>96831023>he focused on the reaper king's rules text and not the fact a mono red vehicle commander made mana outside its color identity to cast a 5 colored hybrid card
>>96831012Everyone at my LGS despises UB. There's some people who go "OK FF and LOTR get a pass since they're both fantasy", but the moment ANYONE mentions Spiderman, Dr. Who, or whatever else, the entire store does a collective groan.
>>96830918nta, but I want to play cards with a good/perfect synergy while not playing retarded, overpriced goodstuff like mana crypt
>>96831045You've been able to make mana outside your identity for a long time anon
>>96831045I genuinely do not care that they used artifacts that generate all colors to cast a spell that's all colors, no
>>96828443I just saw that Maro posted a blog about why he feels like hybrid should be played in Commander. That pretty much cemeneted it for me, making it the second time in 12 months that Wizards used their new poer over commander to change the rules so they can sell more cards which they assured they wouldn't do.
>>96831030These are literally rules for pub matches Get with the program You would have to be some kind of uber autist to follow them in kitchen table play
>>96831044Yes Fast mana density is a bigger problem than having one card that can give a boost
>>96831045Reaper King and all hybrid cards were MADE to be playable in decks that don't have all its colors. That is THE ENTIRE POINT OF HYBRID CARDS. This change was long, long overdue.
>>96831059>maro's opinions on edh matteringTruly dark times
>>96831044No, Sol Ring should be banned. It's nearly Mox-tier in its stupidity (though Mana Vault is even stupider). It's just that it's ossified into the format so they won't ban it, unfortunately.
>>96831083Anon, you're a fucking retard. They were made to work like that in formats like Modern, Limited, and Standard you absolute mongoloid. Commander is the ONLY format that ever cared about color identity aside from its retarded younger brother Brawl.
I wish I could partner wernog with a simic commander...
>>96831097Sol Ring has always been stronger than Mana Vault. Mana Crypt on the other hand.
>>96831103And? Color identity is already completely disconnected from color in a bunch of glaring ways. What's one more? I'd rather have hybrid cards work the way they were supposed to, the way they were designed for, then cling to this one rules as absolutely sacred. Literally what is the problem?
>>96831110I'm still mad Mana Crypt is banned. I get why though, since especially in Commander with 40hp, the 3 damage is barely an issue.
>>96830905look at the sad state of this cuck. >please don't play a deck that might win>please don't use cards that I don't like>is... a random card tutor? ARE YOU INSANE? THIS IS A CRUTCH THAT MAKES YOU STOMP ME! honestly, if you get stomped against some retarded jank deck because it has gamble, then you are the shitter here.
>>96831131Just take it out if it's not needed for the deck, then.
>>96831028Don't think sohttps://scryfall.com/card/mkm/57/forensic-gadgeteeris the closest you can get I think
>>96831147>just listen to the little whining cuck bitchlmaoif anything, I would keep it in out of sheer spite. to make a little bitch piss and shit their pants is not only morally correct, but it's also every man's duty. a bitch needs to learn to man up and build better decks instead of whining about some anon using gamble.
What I don't get is why only certain tutors are GC, but others are totally fine.>b-but the GC ones are cheap/easy to slot in to any deck!And? Profane Tutor for example is fairly mediocre in most decks, but it absolutely rips in something like First Sliver.>cascade with slivers>get to 0 mana>you literally end up with instant free insanely OP stuff like Lotus Bloom, Sol Talisman, Profane Tutor, Mox Tantalite, Ancestral Vision, Inevitable Betrayal, etc>this happens GUARANTEED every single turn due to the way cascading with slivers works
>>96831127Hybrid cards do work the way they were supposed to in commander anon, they always have.
>bracket 4>hollowed out decks made up off tutors, offcolor fetches, instant win combos>cEDH, worseThe point of edh is to play the huge dumbfuck spells that aren’t competitive at all. The other formats are solved, like the upper brackets. What compels people to want to be competitive in this?
>>96831192Do you play it anon?
>>96831182Hybrid cards' design goals are and have always been "spells that work in either of its colors." All W/B hybrids SHOULD be valid in a B or W monocolor. This is the entire point of them.
>>96831029I already know someone that unironically loses his shit if you play ANY sort of interaction against him.Earlier this week, he tries to full swing at me for lethal damage while all 4 players are alive. I tell him that's not in his best interest. He does it anyway, so I fog him. He loses his shit and scoops.Man I'm glad that I'm being told to let these people dictate what's acceptable when they can't figure out that Kinnan isn't the same powerlevel as Teysa Karlov and that fogging them one time to not die to lethal damage isn't the same as playing Stasis.
>>96831201>Can run manamorphose in rakdos colorsvisually stupid to have green pips in my black red deck
>>96831176Some tutors are better than otherSome tutors are better than othersSome tutor's mothers are better than other tutor's mothers
>>96831209Well, I have been running Cease // Desist in Golgari decks since its release and I've learned to just deal with the minor discomfort of having white pips in one of my cards.
>>96831208I love how stories like this leave out the big pieces. I recall playing with anon last year who posted something similar to this, and it was:>anon has simic combo pieces out>counters all removal>dino player swings out at him, anon has blockers>'warns' him that attacking is a bad idea>cyc rifts>guy gets pissy and leaves because there's no way to beat this '7'
>>96831223like how you get used to the dick in your ass
>>96831201And commanders design goal has been? Im sure once you answer you'll see why they've always properly functioned in commander!
>>96828597>goes in an Izzet deckFucking gay.
>>96831234I mean do you want me to recount the whole game turn for turn when its function is a quick anecdote about a player being bad because he can't handle losing one combat phase he committed no temporary buffs to?
>>96831223>ive running an illegal deck for over a yearOk so your opinion on legality clearly means nothing
>>96831245Commander's design goal is to be a 4-player version of Magic, duh.
>>96831212In general, sure, but the thing is some are buttfuck OP under certain contexts. Like in my example, a Mox Tantalite does literally the same thing as Mox Diamond. Profane Tutor does the same thing as Demonic Tutor (but arguably better since 0 cost means you'll find it guaranteed), and so on.
>>96831282Right, sorry, I meant in non-Commander formats. I play it in Standard, and I also run Clout of the Dominus in blue Pauper decks. It's never been anything but a minor annoyance, if it's even an annoyance at all.
>>96831212What if I say I'm not like the others?What if I say I'm not just another one of your plays?You're the pretenderWhat if I say I will never surrender?
>>96831318I'm the voice inside your head, you refuse to hearI'm the face that you have to face, mirrored in your stare
>>96831176>>this happens GUARANTEED every single turn due to the way cascading with slivers worksWhat the fuck are you talking about nigga
>>96831324Eventually the sliver mana values trickle down to the point they have to hit a 0mv card, of which you're only running suspend cards.
>>96831324>First Sliver as commander>all slivers have cascade>if you cast a sliver with 4CMC, you cascade into a sliver that has 3CMC, which in turn procs another cascade for a 2CMC, then a 1CMC (aka the cheapest slivers)>you can now cascade for a 0CMC card since 0 is less than 1, and because the only thing in the deck that has 0CMC (or nothing, in the case of suspend cards), you will ALWAYS get one each time you do a cascade chain>cascade counts as playing from exile, so any suspend card is immediately played for no cost and it activates immediately even if it normally would get suspended
>>96831341profane tutor has no mana cost though, null should not be equal to 0
>>96831341I mean, at that point you put 4 slivers in the board for the price of 1. Putting a mox tantalite or drawing three cards or even creating some rhinos is at best just insult to injury.
>>96831284An abstraction so great it loses all meaning
>>96831348Whatever you call it it is still less than 1
>>96831348According to the rules nerds, null and 0 are functionally the same for cascade purposes. >>96831353The fact that WOTC printed the entire "oh shit that's OP" lineup as suspend versions (Mox Tantalite, Ancestral Vision, Lotus Bloom, etc) just adds insult to injury like you said, but it also gives your entire board state a massive supercharge of power. Mix in a Scroll Rack (which you can tutor for), and you will have an absolutely disgusting turn every single time. I've done it before and instantly closed out a game due to saccing Legion and Spiteful with Gravemother to instantly YEET the entire pod, and it was all thanks to the suspend cards that I got enough juice to do it.
>>96831284No? Commanders design goal was to create 100 card (99+commander) mtg singleton decks adhering to a concept they created called color identity (dictated by commander) to be played in 4 player matches. What you wrote describe every 4 player FFA game ever created. It is useless for purpose of obfuscation cause youre dishonest and wrong.
>>96831363That's pretty much it, though. The format didn't have design goals beyond that when it was made, that and "it's the format where you get to play Your Guy"
>>96831390Why do people go on the internet and just make stuff up when all of the correct information is a google away? I mean shit there are even youtube videos of edh from like 07 talking about the format. It wasnt "your guy" it was "your colors". Like holy shit man, do you even elder dragon highlander?
>>96831151Gay
>>96831371It can't be less than 1, because it doesn't have a number at all, otherwise, you'd be able to pay mana or lack there of to cast it?>>96831372good for them, they are wrong
>>96831502Anon there were multiple Modern decks built around this interaction. Violent Outburst is still banned because of it.
>>96831502>not a numberThat would be less than 1. Cause one is the fewest numbers. So if its not a number youre less than 1.
>>96831502Lands don't have a number, and are also mana value 0. Mana value is not the same thing as mana cost.
>>96831502
>>96828863Check out these guns.
>>96827680>TQ
>>96830986>no infiniteslmao edh players are mindbroken by any combo deck
>>96831510>comparing quantitative values that can measured to something that doesn't have one>>96831523lands aren't cast>>96831509it's because the rules go 'oh no mana cost? it's 0 by default :) ) because of their dumbass duct tape fixes. then have the balls to claim their rules are 'turing complete'>>96831612The format where people play stupid silly shit that never fit into any of the competitive formats, is populated by people who shun and shame players who put the equivalent of exlax to combo off and instantly win. As if it's even hard to thin a deck with free counter spells, print mox diamonds, and every tutor under the sun to make a retard's legacy format.
>we took legendary creatures off the list because people can see your commander and simply choose not to play with youLmao
>>96829448>it isn't, it's from EoE a set just as canon as Urza's Saga, Alpha, and Mirrodin.some people theorized they made it just to get people ready for star trek.
>>96829023>>96829067FREE HIM
>>96831628>that last responseMy brain melted trying to read thisWhat the fuck are you on about you spastic
>LGS with Monday commander>randomized pods>more variety>way more experienced players than the other store>games are miserable because people are playing slop like Vivi, Stella Lee combo, basically anything bracket 4 goodstuff>people windmill slamming staples left and right>basically forced to sweat so you don't get fucking mopped by the table>LGS with Friday commander>fill and fire, get stuck with random cliques and people self-segregate leading to less variety at tables>biggest LGS in the state, thus brimming with drooling retards>upside is because of the gross incompetence you can basically build whatever deck or strategy you feel likeAs a brewer who enjoys his gimmick decks I much prefer the Friday game store, but damn do I miss just signing up and getting three random guys to play with.
>>96831652Texas? PAts?
>>96830382AI proxies are the cringiest you can ever get.
>>96829279Whats your Azusa deck? That was one of my first EDH decks I built in 2010 and I still have it. It's super fun to play.
>>96830382at least try to give "knuckles" a proper IU fitting name and use that smaller lower title card they use for the actual name of the cards
*enters*
>>96831628>lands aren't castAnd yet they're also mana value 0. Because mana value is not the same as mana cost.
>>96829067>I miss the old Un- sets where there was no expectation of legality. They could do whatever nonsense they wanted without having to worry about balance or the meta.>>96830181>I like some cards that are semi-usable and fun from Unfinity, especially the one that gives triplestrike, and Plot Armouri wouldn't call atinlay igpay (latin pig) particularly usable.There's strictly better cards in white.
>>96830255why should etali be banned?
>>96831744Is this one of those heckin banned cards!? My science!
>>96830679godo, bandit warlord gone fishin.dek
>>96831628>im too stupid too compare things unless they are the same thingSounds like a skill issue on your part.
>>96830524>Banlists, for the most part, fail because it's damning 59 other cards for the supposed "sins" of one.
>>96831744thats my dad
>be retarded>build simple decks so my turns won't take 15 minutes>still bad at assessing if I'm close to winning even with simple mechanics like aristocrats>constantly plead with friends to just let me do thing>they always give in because they know I'm retarded and stop bullying me after turn 6>hit them all for lethal>thousand yard stares everyone, unsure if they should blame me or themselves for not bullying me harderforgive me, for I don't know what I'm doing
>>96827687MARK MY WORDS, ANON.Magic the Gathering™ will fuck up with exile® like yugioh did
>>96832024>friendsstop lying, anon
Rules question: lets say i have Etrata in play, and i play a Chameleo copying her. When in combat, i attack only with the Chameleo copy. Does the “Shuffle Etrata into their owner library” triggers on the “original” Etrata, even tho who is making the trigger is the Chameleo with Etrata’s textbox?
>>96830589explain why T1 Serra ascendant is not a game changer
>>96832103on itself
>>96832089I would never win a single game if it wasn't for them
>>96832103Whenever a card mentions itself by name like this you can read it as "this card"
has anyone made decks that are designed to loose in commander? or that just try to accelerate other player?
>>96832149i also wanted to say this card has some great alternate arts
>>96832149>try to accelerate other player
>>96832144This doesnt seems logic. I’m copying Etrata but shes not named Etrata anymore, how making a copy of it chance the rulestext so drastically?
>>96832177Changes* fixd
>>96832177He literally told you. When a card names itself its naming this card.
>>96832024What you should do is make a deck that forces everyone to attack. It doesn't matter if you're retarded if everyone is forced to be retarded.
>>96832192>>96832177So i do need to shuffle Chameleon into my library, even tho he’s not named Etrata? Sakashima the Imposter is another card that ive come accross with the similiar issue.
Uhhh I got mail
What is the proper way to shuffle your deck? No matter what I do I still get mana flooded or screwed, and still don't see cards for dozens of games.>38 lands>shuffle well>opening hand has two lands>don't draw another land until turn 8WTF?
>>96832110Because it's just an overstatted creature.
>>96827680>TQHe's an all-star in my reanimator decks.
>>96832177Whenever a card names itself, it's naming "this card," essentially. If that name changes, so does the name in the textbox.
>>96832248Mana weave is the correct method.
>>96832260Ok, now thats a clear answer. Ty anon
would people in the average LGS be interested in playing archenemy commander?
>>96832248Mana weave at home then shuffle.
>>96832103Also, Arena is absolutely broken to play with this deck. It doesnt gives me the option to answer to my own trigger, where in tabletop the goal is to attack with her them blink her somehow, making the last trigger irrelevant. Thats literally game breaking and makes the deck unplayable.
>>96832268>>96832296What is this? Placing lands in one pile and spells in another then add one land on top of two spells and repeat? Wouldn't a shuffle before you play just fuck that up or do the opposite and bring all the land together again?
>>96832142Looking at that image, I find myself wondering when the inevitable Max Headroom Secret Lair comes out.
>>96832319play on full control doofus
>>96832335You get 2 cards and then 1 land, do this with the whole deck. Even with the shuffling after, the chance of a good healthy sequence of lands and spells improves greatly.
>>96832335We used to have this argument all the fucking time.Speds will cry that if mana weaving has an effect its cheatingBut the answer to this is that you need to shuffle A LOT to actually randomize a deck. We used to have the numbers. It was something like 11 riffle shuffles and more than 100 overhand shuffles. Mana weaving before shuffling distributes cards more evenly which is closer to true randomness
>>96832319How are you so fucking annoying you retard? Learn how rules work before you build a deck first off and learn how arena works you dipshit. Hold the full control button! Instead of crying to /edhg/ every time you have an issue use your fucking brain.
>>96832356>100 overhand shufflesWell shit. So the dozen max I've been doing really don't do shit. Mana weave it is then.
>>96832240Gimme your waifu cards. I need a full (official) anime deck.
>>96832357What the fuck is the “full control button”?Sorry if asking questions for convoluted mechanis makes me a annoying retard. God forbids someone coming to the /edh/ thread asking /edh/ questions.
Finally found a dead-eye navigator at an lgs. I gotta be honest getting cards this way as opposed to ordering them from tcg player is way more fun
>>96832387full control is a mechanic on arena where you get prompted for action every time you could potentially make oneIt's necessary if you want to respond to your own triggers properly.idk what the default bind is.
>>96832387Its not convoluted. Youre retarded. Not every question needs to be asked i know your kindergarten teacher said there's no such thing as a dumb question but she was lying.
>>96832387Press CTRL and you will be prompted for action every time you receive priority
>>96832289Here we like to play Planechase cmm, but with the "no infinite mana planar die activation" rule.
>>968323415 0 0 N
>>96832414>>96832450Gotcha, tt guys, i was, in fact, being a retard.But i hope >>96832429moms dies in her sleep tonight
How do you guys come with nice ideas for a deck? I am filthy casual that just buys precons, because I would never be able to figure out how to build everything with enough synergy to make the deck playable, but there aren't any precons available for my favorite typal and mechanics now (I like zombies, werewolves, infect/toxic, ninjas and -1/-1 tokens - which will luckily get precon with Lorwyn). Do you just throw in whatever is best in the type and go with it?
>>96832516It's mostly just a matter of playing more and getting familiar with what cards and strategies you like.When I was new I tried to make a deck that was just whatever cards had the word "artifact" on them and it was a piece of shit because it wasn't focused enough to actually do anything.
>>96832516>find commander you like>hit up edhrecIt's as shrimple as that.
>>96832536You're gonna summon the autist
>>96832356its 9 mash shuffles to put your deck in a configuration it has never been in before, grow the fuck up
>>96832553Yeah I'm sure you do that every game.Just mana weave the cards you scooped, shuffle overhand like 8 times and play the fucking game
>>96832516>go to card shop>look through bulk rares>find something that strikes me>buy it then go through my collection and see what I can put together>if I like the deck I keep my eye open for other cards that go in
>>96832356My stance is that you should always shuffle sufficiently to have a randomized deck. If you prefer a (limited in scope) ritual beforehand to make you feel better about things, that's no skin off my nose. Just make sure you actually do shuffle.
>>96832646>My stance is that you should always shuffle sufficiently to have a randomized deck.Okay then enjoy riffle shuffling 10 times every fucking game
>>96832516Like other have said, it's mostly just a matter of experience. As you play more your card "vocabulary" increases and you start putting things together. Like you see a certain set of cards being played often with commander A and another set of cards with commander B, then a new commander gets printed who you notice mixes a little bit of the abilities of A and a little bit of B, so you test if mixing up the two previous sets of cards works somehow.
which combo in edh has the most steps?
>>96832725this guy is the weirdest combo commander
>>96832725There were several people on mtg salvation looking for the longest possible non-infinite combo https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-general/332264-this-is-the-combo-that-almost-never-endsThis is the one I could find but I KNOW theres a better oneFucking SEO killing my ability to look for obscure forum posts from 15 years ago
>>96832664I see no problem with that
>Start MTG in my 40's>A year later get asked to run FNM>Scared of rules calls but most are easy with rare Google searchesI'm scared guys but I'm old and nice and fell into doing this please tell me everything will be OK.
>>96832997you cute
>>96832997If you can read and know layers it's fine.
layersbros..
>>96832747As a whole, absolutely. Tayam pilots are notorious for fucking their sequences up or being gods of timing. Tayam is one of the most unique high tier decks in each bracket. I do think Gitrog has the weirdest one single combobthough, since it abuses the cleanup step and changed WotC designs thereforth with the cleanup step.
>Pilots Reddit phrase
>>96832997If you're googling to help you with rules you aren't confident on you're already better than 90% of other players.
this seems pretty good imo
Why the fuck would I ever want this?
>>96833107What the fuck
>>96832516Being able to make a synergistic deck from scratch is a learned experience. Some of that is just gonna be time.If you want a kind of "challenge" to push you in the right direction, buy a precon, and identify what cards match what themes in that deck. Most precons are split between two themes, one for the face commander, and one for the secondary commander. They are generally meant to work together, obviously, but there are definitely going to be cards in any given precon that lean towards one theme or the other. With some effort you should be able to tell which card was meant to support either commander more. Once you think you have identified those themes and cards, try choosing one of the commanders and editing the deck to focus on that commander specifically. This will help you identify more specific synergies than "this card says the word artifact in its text box so I can throw it in my artifact deck."
>>96833113If you have amassed tokens that you would rather be permanents you fucking mong.
>>96832611It do be like that
>>96832664Baby hands typed this post.
>>968323567-9 mashes do the job, that about minute if youre a slow fuck
>>96829582>Is your izzet deck "lots of cantrips spellslinger" or more on the "big spells" side of things?>Cause in the former, it's not good. In the latter, chances are you won't even get to the seventh counter because you're gonna be winning so much you're gonna get tired of winning.I like big spells and I cannot lieBut Im also shotgunning them to a certain extent. I suppose you use Cursed Recording as a winconhttps://moxfield.com/decks/EN3Nc0IJpUyeKTF3tYkyCA
>>96833178Okay, so instead of just building a fucking board state you shat out tokens.And instead of punching face with the tokens, you delete them all to shit out a random assortment of permanents.Hope you had some lands top deck because you might be gimping yourself for mana for the rest of the game if this doesn't pay off
>>96833248polymorph is how red does ramp, it's not good but it is what it is
Nearest game store discontinued yugioh and im looking into magic. They recommend the commander format for casual. Is it worth getting into and if so what should i buy? Im also looking at the spiderman stuff as well since I like Spiderman stuff.
>>96833443ignore spiderman if you're just getting into magic specifically commander, get a precon to start out with instead
>>96832997Just remember to do things step by step. A lot of rules questions can be answered with that already
>>96833443Please don't get the Spiderman cards, they suck.Buy a precon for around 30-40 dollars.
>>96833107Where did you find this
>>96833475https://www.mtggoldfish.com/spoilers/Avatar+The+Last+Airbender#paper>>96833443I recommend a precon from either EoE or FF before looking at any Spiderman cards, Spiderman wasn't made with commander in mind really
>>96833454What precon should I get?
>>96833443A printer. Jokes aside, a precon is a good starting point. But do keep in mind that commander is a casual format, so tournament rules of needing to play official cards do not apply. It might trigger some autists though.
>>96833473I just want to get a single spiderman card just to be commander is that a bad idea?
>>96832997Just remember mana sources always resolve first in a batch. Then interrupts are batched next. Then instants/sorceries are batched, but instamts cant be played on top of soeceries as they are the same thing in terms of batches
>>96833504Whichever one you think has the coolest art on the front
>>96833443Spider-Man was a pretty underpowered set and didn't have precons so I would avoid it. You can pick up a few cheap cards for your collection but don't waste too much money on it.Best way to get into commander is buying a precon and then upgrading it. Recently Final Fantasy, Tarkir Dragonstorm and Edge of Eternities all had good precons, it's a matter of surveying what you have available and choosing one.I reccomend looking at some precon reviews and also some beginner precon upgrades. This last part will depend on your budget, but some precons can go a long way with a modest budget while others need a bit more investment to upgrade, that's why I reccomend you evaluate not only how good the precon is by itself but also how far you can upgrade it within your budget.You didn't mention budget by the way, but something in the 100-200 range will get you the precon, a deckbox, some sleeves and you'll have plenty leftover for some decent upgrades, enough to play at casual tables comfortably. If you want to go further than that you can, but I don't think it's ever necessary to go beyond the 500-600 range unless you want to play competitively.Also since you're new to EDH I'll give you one heads up. Unlike 1v1 MTG formats EDH is inherently a social game, so your enjoyment of the game will necessarily be dependent on your enjoyment of the company of the people you're playing with.>>96833521There weren't a lot of great commanders in SPM in my opinion, furthermore there weren't any precons so you would have to build the entire deck yourself, which can be hard for a beginner plus more expensive than starting with a precon and updating it. You can always just build a Spiderman deck as your second deck later on.But if you must then I reccomend having a look at edhrec, picking a commander you like and seeing the most common cards being played with them.https://edhrec.com/sets/spm
>>96833521Its based if you run my husbandoseriously though Itll be much better if you start with a pr*con
>>96833504beginner ones exist for new players I suggest one of them since they're relatively cheap if none of these interest you I suggest getting one from Caverns of Ixalan
>forgot my buddy added his gf to the gcWhelp no more edgy jokes...
>>96833559Is she going to be the 'never target bf' type or the 'only target bf' type?
>>96833521It's a bad idea since you're supporting terrible business practices, and the Spiderman cards are mostly boring dogshit with bad designs.
>>96833545My budget will be 100 dollars maybe a bit more. Im still playing yuigioh so I just want to play magic casually and not spend a lot of money. The social aspect im going to try to go to locals and see how the people are. Still what spiderman commander do you think would be the best.
>>96833618At a $100 budget I think Kraven like >>96833546 mentioned might be a good choice. It's pretty simple to build, you kill your opponent's monster and run cards that say "whenever a creature dies you get something of value", pretty self-explanatory theme and not too hard to build on a budget.Norman Osborn/Green Goblin might also be good and simple to design (you draw cards, discard big creatures and then reanimate them) but it might stretch your budget more.Cosmic Spider-Man is also very simple but building a 5 color manabase on a small budget can be tricky.
>>96832071It's already happening in a non-Time Spiral set. Exile will soon just be another graveyard.
>>96832560I do it every time I tutor too, because shuffles = consistency
>>96833675What about the Spiderman in his standard costume are they good? Also the cosmic Spiderman why is that one tricky to build?
>>96832516I generally have an idea for a theme, playstyle or mechanic that I wanna pursue when building a deck. It doesn't have to be optimal for the commander, but I do try to make it work well enough. For example Jon Irenicus:>I can gift nasty shit, but then I also have to deal with it myself at some point, it might just get blocked and opponents will wanna take me out faster>Or I just gift them unblockable creatures, which generate card draw pretty reliably>Then I can also slot in a bunch of value equipments to get more triggers off of them potentially>And for control cause I barely have any board for my own, I can use force to sac effects as my gifts are kinda excluded from themThe rest is just filling the deck with cards that fall into those categories plus ramp. It's one of my weaker decks, but nice to play against beginners.
>>96833753its not about cosmic spider-man in particular, its that he's an all-color deck. each color you add to the deck makes your mana base less consistent because you add another color which you may not have in any given scenario. there are tons of cheap lands which provide different color ranges but the cheap lands always have some drawback, usually that they come in tapped. so it can be hard to maintain tempo if you're playing a bunch of lands which you can't use on the turn you play them.
>>96833753The commander itself isn't tricky to build, it literally just gives a buff to every creature with the Spider type so you just get the best ones your budget can afford and you're good to go. The tricky part is that it's a five color deck, and the better multi color lands can get pricey. If you're playing a two color, even three color deck you can get away with a suboptimal land selection with some budget replacements but doing that with all five colors will stretch your budget for sure. Also I would check if the people at your LGS are cool with proxies, so you can consider that option.
>>96833753>Also the cosmic Spiderman why is that one tricky to build?Because its 5-color slop (a.k.a. WUBRG) and requires lots of specific cards from SM set. Itll be tricky to make the landbase work on a 100$ budget
>>96833760I built jon irenicus with living weapons + unblockable creatures, I thought it would be great but turned out to be absolute garbage
>>96832516I really just see a guy I like and build a deck around him I did that with Falco Spara just recently
>>96833773Got it im gonna go with kraven as commander. But I do want to know what about sensational spider man or him with the symbiote would they work as commanders and be within budget?
>>96832248Either tediously weave mana into the deck or set all your lands aside, create 6-8 piles with the rest, add the land to each and shuffle each thoroughly and then into each other. I rarely get mana screwed doing this and I run average 35 lands and almost no ramp.
>>96833753Here, check thishttps://archidekt.com/decks/9032568/budget_5_color_manabaseIt's basically the cheapest workable 5 color manabase I found. It's not fantastic by any means but it's serviceable on a budget. Just substitute the snow covered lands (you don't need those) for another set of basics to save some extra money, and substitute temple of the false god for literally anything else.
>>96833873>temple of the false god
>>96833884He literally said to substitute it for 'literally anything else', anon.
>>96833443Don't buy the spider-man cards. Start out with a precon. What kind of decks do you like?Also 4-player card games are WAY different than 2 player. You need to come into it with the mindset of >your opponents collectively get 3 cards to your 1>EDH operates more like a basic 4-player tabletop game like Monopoly or Settlers of Catan but with far more cards to worry about.>casual experience in brackets 1-3 of "we all get to play the game", competitive in 4 and 5If you can find a game store that deals with 2 player Magic; you honestly may feel more at home. But you may like it. I have a friend who loves both EDH and YGO.
>>96833873That list seems to be a little out of date. I would add the landscape fetch cycle from MH3, those are great on a budget.https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/the-cube-forum/cube-card-and-archetype/832376-mh3-cube-landscape-cycle-common-tri-fetchlands
>>96833546I may try to build KravenRemoval tribal seems fun and Golgari is decent colors for it.If an opponent has two 1/1s and you kill them both at the same time, would you get 2 triggers? Also the fact he can voltron is icing on the cake
>>96833760As a massive Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 fag this one was the most egregious. His entire character reduced to saddling your party with Yoshimo(who didnt even get a card himself). Or maybe I was more mad that my bros Korgan and Edwin got left out. Hard to remember. But yeah his deck is shit. Badstuff is just bad and misses people off to much before you can win, unblockables lacks the power to grind out a victory and it's the kind of commander that puts a target squarely on your back no matter what.
>>96833873Thanks anon
>>96834019It is crazy that Edwin was left out of the set somehow. He should have been Grixis colors and had a flip side that transformed him into a woman. Shit would have been hilarious.I also wish they printed Dorn but I accept Im the only person who wanted it. I mean FFS they printed the easter egg grizzly bear.
>human warrior
>another landfall deck appears in my podholy christ make it stop im gonna start maindecking elesh norn to rape these fucking things at this rate
>>96834096Death to all landcringe decks.Destroy all lands.Turn all lands into a dustbowl.Exile all land permanents.Kick green mages in the balls.Clear cut all forests.Ignore whiny green troons who complain about MaLD.Ciurstomp Azusa into the ground.Record the tears of green mages and tweet them to Gavin
>>96834096You know what you must do.
>>96833700We had this in 2011.
>>96834133>landfall decks>caring about mldyou dont understand the first thing about landfall dog
>>96834196I guarantee MLD would fuck up my buddies borderline cEDH fl*bs deck
>>96834214And then they will recover faster than anybody else
>>96834214Maybe if he built it wrong as a joke or something
>>96834228>>96834234Sorry troons, your gaslighting wont work on me.
>>96834256I just genuinely can't fathom someone who built a "borderline cedh flubs landfall deck" with no gy recursion, Flubs is going to fill his yard with shit because it keeps him close to hellbent and then consequently play that shit. You might be dumb, anon.
>>96834059>spoilerYes you are. Give me Saemon Havarian, give me fucking Anomen and Aerie before beamdog slop.
>>96834297>AerieNever liked this characterAjantis would be cool
>find lgs with a good supply of bulk>including full art lands>go up to the register thinking its still 2013 and commons are 10c uncommons are 25c >its 54 cards>they dont have an itemized list for me to see>ur bill is 30 bucksI probably got ripped off pretty hard
>>96834191titty edit plox !....but yeah, wotc wasnt out of the closet for hating women bodies at that time
>>96833547Based I love those decks
>>96834370naw, you still have it good, the local lgs here have all boxes behind the counter - for sorting reasons since covid.the prices are .25 - .50 uncommon
>>96833941Plz respond
>>96834133>I will use MLD to stop the deck most likely to be running land gy recursion>what do you mean he brought on his lands back and is going to win the game off the back of 9+ landfall triggers?why are mld cucks so stupid?
>>96834442> what is gy hate
>>96834442>a lot of the best land gy recursion pieces happen to be creatureswhy are you not running the sleeper card of eoe that also happens to not drag the game down for everyone else?
>>96834459I'm expecting WotC to print a lot more cards like this in the future, given they already have designers saying that as long as you keep enough lands, it's doesn't count as MLD.
>>96834487correctthe recent twitch livestream even has gavin acknowledging this as the path for mld moving forward (he misnamed it as planetary bombardment though lol)
Is this MLD?Its a rhetorical question, amd I couldn't care less about anyones opinikn on what is or is not "MLD"
>>96834515
>>96834450I'll give you a hint this is always just better than mld
>>96834543> what is the false choice fallacy
>>96834515Fucking love this card. Prophecy haters in the mud. That dogshit set is what really made me fall in love with this game.
>>96832205what are the tricks I should use in rakdos for this guy? just reanimator? maybe lord of riots?
>>96834566while it was a dogshit constructed set in its time, prophecy still had great artback then they still knew how to make sexy nonwhite angels
>>96834515I need to include this in my gut deckpeople hate it already, but this will help to salt the wounds
>>96834459effectively a blasphemous edict, but less than half as strong, 5 times as expensive and with a dogshit silver bullet against green decks
>>96834618>dogshit silver bulletwhen was simic this salty?
Wasn't there something similar to this printed recently?
>>96834618>it's bad because it's worse than blasphemous edictanon that applies to almost every other wrath out there
>>96834515Eldrazi Displacer's best friend btw
>>96834591Reanimator is one of the easiest ways if you're going Rakddos. Though there are quite a few of cards like it. I posted that one because he's cool, not because he's the most efficient.
>>96834637depthshaker titan
>>96834644Hmmm I was mostly joking before but maybe I will brew MLD, the deck
>>96834733It's quite fun in my Boros Abdel deck. Don't do it every game, but use it to keep your playgroup in fucking check.
>tranny walks in lgs>some guy in my pod keeps starring >you see something you like>its not every day you see a man in a dress, bold choice>thanksLol I guess some of them really are just men in dresses
>>96834795>some of them
>>96834812WowIve clearly been infected
>>96831577t. Chicken Legs
>>96834792I need street urchin for Erinis and R/W Abdel (the only color combo I haven't tried so far), maybe I'll just proxy it
>>96834133Destroy all lands hurts the non land decks more. You think the land deck can't recover from that?
>>96834859>Handy soloI'd like a handy from her if you know what I mean, and I think you do.
>>96832071I fucking hope so. I want to play out of exile in this game like you can do in Yu-Gi-Oh as soon as possible.
>>96833521Ignore retards telling you to not buy a set.
>>96832248Just shuffle. That's it. No special way, just fucking shuffle. If you're getting fucked in draws you are just getting screwed by luck. It happens.
>>96827687>The hippo grows wings to fight the condorWhat the fuck does that mean? Stupid Nantuko fuckers
>>96834877You know, I've thought about this before. Her introduction is giving somebody a handy to distract him, and years later she gets cybernetic arms that would prevent her from doing that anymore. Is this some clever/subtle writing or just a coincidence?
>>96834907>prevent her from doing that anymoreShe can still do it to me
>>96830382Honestly, I'm not really for proxying. But fuck, there's some planes we're probably just not going to be seeing again for years and years and proxying some cards for the plane may be the only way to get back there in some capacity that I'm starting to think it may be worth it.
>>96832071>>96833700>>96834191I mean, not only autoexile/flashback-related cards...>>96834883fuck off, tard
>>96834978
>>96834884True, blow 100$ on spiderman boosters
>>96834992Your options are>buy packs>don't buy packsThere is no way to just buy the cards you want.
>>96834994you can steal packs too
>>96835003I'm not hispanic, sorry
This is going to be huge in my Selesnya Human tribal deck.
>>96828443This anon is correct. I would never have allowed it as you should never see a mana symbol that isn't reminder text on your cards. Everyone is thinking "oh, it's fine none of the old cards matter that much," but they're already making card designs around this idea so even if you hate it, you'll have to play with them. They wouldn't even be considering it if it wasn't in the pipeline.
>>96835053I hate it
>>96835065I still can't imagine how addled the RC's minds must have been when they gave up. Its bad enough wotc was designing cards fir the format, now they are designing rules and carssHey just in case any wotc staff read thisTHE REASON EDH WAS FUN WAS BECAUSE YOU HAD NO SAY
>>96835091>THE REASON EDH WAS FUN WAS BECAUSE YOU HAD NO SAYTime to create our own format, again.
>>96828443Reminder: Rhystic Study will never be banned. Hasbro needs all the money it can get.
>>96835110SAIEWSAIEW
>>96835167There's a super secret way to basically BAN rhsytic study from ANY table and then FUCK hot SLUTSpay the one
>>96835091ummmmmmm brackets are the best decision in like a decade?
>>96835193NOOOOO HOW CAN YOU EXPECT ME TO PAY ANY MANA?!
>>96834907It's to represent the loss of her brother. She can still give handjobs just fine.
>>96835247FalseBanning crypt happened less than a decade agoThe happiest day of my life was pulling the crypts out of my edh decks and slotting them into my canlander decks
>>96834374>....but yeah, wotc wasnt out of the closet for hating women bodies at that timethat's a meme.this was reprinted this year.
>>96829037>>96834795rent free
>>96828443What would commander be like without color identity restriction?
>>96835420this was also printed this year
>>968354374c goodstuff slop piles from horizon to horizon, same as every other highland format without colour restrictions.
>>96834637Rise and Shine
>>96835448>OH MY GOD IS THAT A FAT WIZARD AAHHH IM GOING CRAZY SAVE ME MARO
