LETS SETTLE THIS ! POINTY EARS OR DWARFSFUCK ELFSFUCK MAGICFUCK FORESTSLOVE MOUNTAINLOVE BREWLOVE MINING SIMPLE AS !
>>96829053They're both gay for each other.
What point is there in this thread when you already decided for everyone?Dwarves are only liked by a vocal minority of unkept manchildren that think being dirty, drunk and loud is "manly".Elves have always been the most popular fantasy race.
I'm a fan of elves when they go the "I studied the blade" route
I want to suck on those pointy elf ears
>>96829053Humans win
Strange how entire culture, history and achievements of a species revolves around hating the other and nothing else.It's almost as if...
>>96829086B A S E D ASEDa human can be a black and it looks unfitting at worst, instead of uncanny valley retarded ape creatures
>>96829322>dwarf posters: fuck elves>elf posters: fuck elves~~
The silmarils are Feanorian property, neither the Dwarves nor Elu Thingol had any legal right to it.
>>96829053you make dark dwarves and dark elves and make the light elves and light dwarves team up to beat up their evil counterpartsthis way we create unity- with more racism!
Noldorfag thread + samefagging
>>96829053>Strongest elven guy Retarded post. Elves are an all-female race. They have no guys.
>>96829426Noldor are gnomes
>>96829330Not what I posted, coomrot zombie
>>96829070There is culture among dwarves which is not quite explored and detailed I belive. The arrogance and stubbornness comes to their aid when all things fall apart and they rise because of it but it is also their short coming. Just as elfs decay in their hedonism. Maybe for some it is the defiance which leads to endurance through stubbornness which leads to dwarf favoritism while Elfs could be described as useless degenerates
>>96829626Anon, it's elves that face the ancient evil and fight titanic wars. And they do it even past their prime, despite their losses, despite what they went through. When the elves march, you know shit got real.>The arrogance and stubbornness comes to their aid when all things fall apart and they rise because of it but it is also their short comingThat's just bog-standard dwarf writing. Here is a little secret: dwarves are the pampered, spoiled little pets of fantasy writers. And especially on /tg/. For whatever supposed flaw dwarves have, there will always be someone that turns it into their actual strength.>arrogance and stubbornnessNo, that makes them just more badass and allows them to win over any and all overwhelming odds!>alcoholismNot a problem, never a detriment to their society, causes no issues. Makes them "manlier".>rigid societyNo, that's trad and based. They are also technologically more advanced then most races.>rude, loud, obnoxiousOh so lovable and quirky.>short statureNever a problem, we don't deal with reach disadvantages on this table.>greedWhen was the last time dwarves dug too deep too greedily in a recent fantasy work?
>>96829661>When elfs march you know shit got realI will give you that is real, but they march only when they feel like it, Sauron came back they didn't do much except be moral support, warhammer fantasy end times were just bad I don't want to comment that but turn around and literally have a third of your faction go and turn to evil amazing job of marching to turn things right!>Spoiled little pets Absolutely wrong, they are the story of tragedy and poetry filled with willingness to take back what is rightfully theirs taken by their enemies! As in real life there will always be people who indulge in the wickedness of a flaw and people who will turn that into strength!>Rigid society Aren't most societies in fantasy settings as such ? They are an isolated society which doesn't deal much with the outside world
>>96829718>As in real life there will always be people who indulge in the wickedness of a flaw and people who will turn that into strength!NTA but on /tg/ with elves it's usually "How can we turn this strength into ackchually a flaw" and with dwarves it's "How is this flaw ackchually a strength".Less so in actual fantasy because aside from 3,5 dwarfwank books nobody really cares about little guys.
>>96829718>but they march only when they feel like itNah anon, that's a massive dwarffag-cope. No other fantasy race is so often depicted going out to fight some big evil, fighting alongside other races, allying with other races (despite the arrogance). Or in some way maintaining order and balance, watching over the world, guarding ancient knowledge or important artifacts. No other fantasy race is so often involved in the world and being a major player (not only for the good of the world, I'll grant you that beforehand).Sometimes they did more in the past, but then diminished (so that humans can be the protagonist race), and despite all this, they still continue to keep up the good fight.>Sauron came back they didn't do much except be moral supportOh sure, go ahead. Name all the times the dwarves in Tolkiens work went out, allied with someone and actively fought with another good-guy race against some evil. Bonus points if the dwarves reached out to the other faction first. And try to not deflect back at the elves.
Luv me dorfs
>>96829815Dwarf threadDwarf post
>>96829813Elves posture about it, but elven defence of nature is usually on the same level as bringing your own mug for climate activism. It was not an elf who cut the ring from sauron's finger nor who cast it into the fire, and not one elf-lord went with the fellowship on that journey. I dont know of any pheonix king who has cast down nagash. They did nothing about tiamat or strahd or zariel.They showed up to the battle of five armies expecting to get paid, but they did legitimately throw down at helm's deep i guess
>>96829857Anon, I told you not to deflect at elves again.Talk about dwarves, their alliances, their support for other races, how many times they went out to fight some big bad evil for the good of the world.
>>96829053The main difference about Elffags and Dwarffags is that Elffags yap on endlessly about Elves while Dwarffags yap on endlessly about Elves.
>>96829882Bro i just got here i dont give a fuck about dwarves. That Urist guy is okay though
>>96829497That's because you're some culture war goblin.
Pathetic.
>>96829072Why does JewDubs think that retarded blade shape is 'cool'?
>>96829989>not being a porn addict makes you a culture warrior
>>96830347Posting that garbage has certainly disqualified you.Not even that anon.
>>96829910This. I like both but a ton of Dwarffags have some kind of inferiority complex that makes them endlessly obsessed with hating on Elves.
>>96829070>has signed a trade agreement with the grassA hearty kek
Dwarfchuds seethe at the idea of female dwarves so they're clearly inferior
>>96829336Kinslaying is also illegal.
>>96832125ask them if dwarven women should have beards
>>96829910there's literally nothing to say about dwarves once you've mentioned mining, grudges, alcohol and bad scottish accents. They're flanderized way worse than elves
Shouldn’t dwarves be better than the elves at magic since they’re the more industrial and scientific race? Inb4 “but magic is anti-science” (and no it’s not you retarded fucking faggot)
>>96829053Elf
>>96832855Magic is a art
>>96832868…Art is inseparable from science, period, anon…
>>96832855Your problem is thinking that elves are anti-science.Elves are the race with the bonus to intelligence. And magic. Now put two and two together.
>>96832873Wrong
>elfs>dwarfsit's 'dwarves' and 'elves'
>>96832878I don’t see elves hollowing out mountains or taking full advantage of industry. Elves are for the most part stuck in their ways.
>>96832879Words like artifice, artificial, artifex, etc, come from art, you total knob. A stick is a piece of technology.
>>96832878>Elves are the race with the bonus to intelligence. And magicFar back enough in time elves and dwarves were the same race (dwarves were just dark elves) so they should have these bonuses as well. Fuck you.
>>96833034You are having issues, anon.Magic is a science.Elves do and advance magic.Elves are not anti-science. To the contrary, elves very often advance, research and develop various magics.You are stuck in your ways, thinking "sciences" consists only of creating big, fumes spewing machines.For instance, medicine is a science.And where the fuck are dwarves not "stuck in their ways"? It's very rare for dwarves in a given setting to actually advance. Often, their shit is already centuries old.Not to mention their rigid, set in stone society.
>>96833059That's folklore. That's something very different from the high fantasy stuff we are talking here.Please learn what context means.
>>96833106Dwarves are just evil subterranean elves jealous of their surface kin’s taller stature and good looks, anon. Deal with it. This is the truth.
>>96833119Maybe in TES.
>>96833092Dwarves are seen to be far more scientifically productive than the elves. Sorry. Hollowing out mountains and making actual machines > living in a gay ass tree town. Dwarves also LOOK like wizards, with their beards, while elves just look like typical anime characters. >And where the fuck are dwarves not "stuck in their ways"? They hold grudges, sure, but they at least ADVANCE AND INNOVATE like the white man did, while the rest of the world stayed behind.
>>96833131The Dwemer were gorgeous anon. They’re more aesthetically pleasing than the other elves. They’re also the closest thing to 21st century society so it’s unrealistic that they didn’t end up lording over the planet. The writers had to cripple them.
>>96833131>Dwemer>shortA myth. Slander, even.
>>96833092>For instance, medicine is a science.And know who should have dominated that field? Dwarves. Medicinal minerals.
>>96833138>Dwarves are seen to be far more scientifically productive than the elvesThey are stuck in medieval stasis in many settings, just like the rest.Again, science isn't just hollow mountains. You don't need science to dig a cave. You just need a shovel.Elves advance magic. Magic is a science. Elves are not anti-magic.>living in a gay ass tree townDon't conflate wood elves with all elves. High elves and their dark elf variants are those that craft wondrous weapons and armor, develop now massive spells, live in amazing, big, clean and well-developed cities (often enhanced by magic).Though, you seem like you already decided, I can say whatever I want.
>>96829910Kek
>>96833173>They are stuck in medieval stasis in many settings, just like the rest.They can still hollow out mountains and their artifice is still generally superior. >Again, science isn't just hollow mountainsWe can’t even hollow out mountains the way they can.>Elves advance magic. Magic is a science. Elves are not anti-magic.Never said elves are anti magic or anti science, only that they’re more stagnant than the dwarves, and men. If magic is a science, and dwarves are the most advanced, then they should at the very least be as skilled as the elves in such. >live in amazing, big, clean and well-developed cities (often enhanced by magic).Do those cities also fly in the sky? Because otherwise those cities aren’t as impressive as hollowed out mountains. The Drow are more impressive than any other elf because they’re similarly under the ground and trade with dwarves and have to construct absurd constructions.
The actual science race that is also good at magic is gnomes. But dwarf-fags want their little stunties to be the bestest at everything and everywhere, unironically turning them into dumb little sues.
>>96833207>and dwarves are the most advancedIronically, you pretending that dwarves aren't the most stagnant race, are so hell-bent on this, that you are unable to wrap your head around the simple solution. Perfectly exemplifying why dealing with dwarves in real life would be such a pain in the arse.Dwarves are not the most advanced race. They are the most advanced in certain fields, one being industry.Elves are the most advanced in other fields, for instance magic.Unless it's a stupid ass setting like Warcraft, I guess.Also, elves being to most stagnant race is so funny, when they are shown being way more flexible or having more subraces, or occupying different environments (instead of just holes in some mountain).
I want to see an elf raised in a stereotypical Dwarf mountainhome. She walks with a stoop due to the low ceilings, she can't grow a beard so she has a weird hair braid in front of her face, she's extremely racist against elves and has an aggressive accent. She drinks harder than any dwarf.
>>96833376Much as I agree, I'd also like to see a dwarf raised in a stereotypical Elven glade - he finds a beard unseemly, drinks only fine wine, and cares for more for poetry than mining.Together, they will fight crime.
>>96832125I don't though?
>>96833225No human being on earth has ever wanted to play as a gnome.>b-but WoWI said human.
>>96833138living in a POST-SCARCITY gay ass tree town, thank you very much.>>96833168>Dwarves invented healing crystal scamsTypical (((Dwarven))) behavior
>>96833289>Dwarves are not the most advanced race. They are the most advanced in certain fields, one being industry.So they’re the most advanced. Got it.>Elves are the most advanced in other fields, for instance magic.Magic is physics, ergo it should be just as abusable as any other facet of industry. It makes no sense otherwise.
>>96833225Dwarves and gnomes are both bearded little people and are both good at artifice - a staple trope of wizards. They’re both wizardly races, in function and aesthetic. Dwarves were simply ruined by people who think technology has nothing to do with magic.
>>96833579>But dwarf-fags want their little stunties to be the bestest at everything and everywhere, unironically turning them into dumb little sues.
Dwarves could never.
>>96833410His hair is immaculate, he shaves three times a day to stop any stubble and gets a healthy tan to hide his beard shadow, he wears ear decorations that make them look elongated, his hobbies are gardening, equestry, woodcarving and he leads a small friendship sommelier group. He's a better archer than any elf.
>>96833590You’re describing elves, not dwarves, anon.
>>96833603>Forgotten RealmsTry Elder Scrolls.
>>96833624>Umm well actually Dwarves are the bestestest and the greatestest at magic, science, combat, diplomacy and everythingest else, also their supposed disadvantages are just funny little quirks and everyone loves them and-
>>96833628Which has the best dwarves. Who are elves.And also, the psijic order are also elves.
>>96833640>TESfag shitting up the place againJust like the elves in TES, huh.
>>96833654It's easy to shit up a discussion by dismissing what other anons post and contribute.But sure. Tell us about these magically advanced dwarves that exist in settings and games. Contribute something.
Ironically enough, Tolkien’s elves don’t use words like “magic” and are closer to the “dwarves” (tech elves) or Dwemer in the Elder Scrolls, who similarly don’t use words like “magic” as true definitions for anything. It’s just a frame of reference, or a way of describing things, and their smiths and engineers are their equivalent of mages, and their scientists or scholars are their ‘arcane philosophers’, etc. To a Dwemer spells are just machine activators. Their star signs are renamed: the Automaton (the Apprentice), the Warmachine (the Atronach), the Mechanist (the Mage), and the Laboratory (the Ritual), etc. Similar to how the modern day wizard is just the dabbling mad scientist, or some alien (the being piloting the UFO is going to transcend our laws/understanding of physics to be sure) sage, etc. The words change and the aesthetics shift, but all the essences are still there.
>>96833640As another up thread said, dwarves and elves are the same damn race in their origins, and only later did people start to consider them separate. Dark elves ARE dwarves. The ones that live underground in the dark. Realistically speaking the Dwemer should have been the dominant race above all, several times over, since they were far too close to being 20th century types. It’s like assuming the medieval era (even with magic, you’d assume the more advanced counterpart would crack it further than they ever could) could have a chance against the 20th century.
>>96833695Dwemer have absolutely zero problems with magic, the ghosts you can fight in Morrowind cast spells against you.Dwemer are wizards. There is no distinction between technology and magic in TES, yes. That doesn't mean that dwemer don't know what magic is.
>>96833704>dwarves and elves are the same damn race in their originsIn what fantasy setting that isn't TES?
>>96833705You entirely missed the point like a fucking idiot. He even said they use spells as activators for their infrastructure. He’s saying they don’t internet Magicka the same way as the others. Magicka is just another facet of physics to the Dwemer. In earlier games historians studying the Dwemer downright say “they didn’t believe in magic the same way we did”, and only surviving Dwemer bother using words like “mage smith” to refer to their great minds. Because for all intents and purposes they were wizards. Just not to themselves, not in the same way. Their geniuses (Kagrenac, etc) were the true wizards.
>>96833710Real life, you fucktard? Where do you think elves and dwarves originate from? In ancient Norse mythology, it is strongly suggested that dark elves and dwarves were the same beings. The two names, dökkálfar (dark elves) and svartálfar (black elves), appear to be interchangeable with dvergar (dwarves) and are often described as living in similar underground realms.
>>96833721>internet Interpret*
>>96833728>Real lifeAnon, we are talking about high fantasy here.You bringing up folklore elves and dwarves does nothing for this discussion. Fantasy elves and fantasy dwarves are in many ways very removed from their mythological inspirations. Sometimes less, sometimes more. Depends on the setting, depends on the game.Like, stating that elves are basically dwarves in myths does nothing for discussion fantasy settings where that simply is not the case. It adds nothing.
>>96833705>There is no distinction between technology and magic in TES, yesTechnology is technology. Mages use tech that incorporates magicka, not tonal mechanisms. The Dwemer saw tones in all areas of nature, and used Magicka in their machines like the other races, but tonal magic/architecture was their gig.
>>96833741>Anon, we are talking about high fantasy here.Where do you think concepts of high fantasy came from? >Like, stating that elves are basically dwarves in myths does nothing for discussion fantasy settings where that simply is not the case. It adds nothing.Wrong. History and human perception do matter. People play around with this stuff. The Dwemer/“dwarves” technically being elves is quite accurate.
>>96833761How many playable dwarf races from TTRPGs can shapeshift?Fafnir did turn into a dragon.
>>96833797I’ve seen shapeshifting fae as playable races before.
Alchemy and metallurgy, and artifice, are such staple tropes of wizards throughout history it’s kind of weird how dwarves are not the epitome of the wizardly race. The Jews were also seen as a race of wizards in antiquity. Smiths were viewed as a type of wizard at times for their lesser known, esoteric skillsets.
Elf fans literally never think about dwarf fans
Dwarf fans literally always think about elf fans
