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How are you liking Cathay bros?
>TQIt keeps me hateful. never forget to hate in your hobbies anons.
>>96832612This is diversity done right.
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>>96832617Looks more Mongol Khongors than Cathay
>>96832621Very nice anon looks like a decent amount of weapons and Head options
>>96832720Hell yeah. I was quite disappointed that they didn't bring Savage Orc kits into Old World.
>>96832320Pic unrelated? Those looks fucking retarded with those AoS daughters of khaine hairstyles on top of their helmets. Looks like some shit from a PS2 game Jake and Dexter looking ahh
>>96832732Yeah, 2 heads for the Tomb King and 2 for the Royal Herald , 3 right arm options (Khopesh in 2 poses, axe, and pointing hand), and three left arm options (axe, shield, and BSB) means you get a lot.The Liche priest kit I don't have a picture of, but you could also make theoretically 24 different priests there too (4 heads, 3 arms, 2 staves, and mounted versus on foot)
Would you run an Amazons army?
>perrynigger now posting AoSloppaHow has this faggot not been sent on vacation yet
>>96832800What’s the Amazon lore?
>>96832814
>>96832824>antagonistic towards the LizardmenI would be interested if they were another faucet to explore pre-Old Ones lore
>>96832850Amazons don't precede the old ones, they were made by an old one, rigg, "mother of amazons", who's the only old one referred to as a female in lizardmen plaques.She's considered a renegade old one, but it's up in the air whether she's a renegade because of the amazons or made the amazons because she went renegade.This origin as a separate human species made by an old one seems to clash with the fluff that would have them come from the norscan women that fled into the jungles and found some lizard trinkets for themselves, but it's possible that the norscan women joined the local amazons, or inherited their stuff after finding their ruins.The enmity with the lizardmen isn't always present either, they've joined forces in multiple instances and they're the only beings other than the slann allowed to bathe in the emerald pools the slann use to rejuvenate themselves.
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>>96833229
A few threads ago, someone had posted a pic showing all remaining Fantasy models that are still lingering in AoS, yet the image was too small and blurry.I recreated it in larger size and updated it.
>>96833436Endtimes on the right, older on the left?
>>96833482Yup.
>>96833436so... dark elves soon?
>>96832720White Dwarf used to be so sovl before it became printed out facebook for boomers.
>>96833436Is GW going to only dripfeed older models as time goes on? Are they that scared of TOW selling more units over AoS?
>>96833436Based, thanks a lot anon.
>>96832814>Norscans make colony on lustria>Men fuck off to look for gold, find baby slaan whos a top bloke so he is and becomes their leader when he grows up as a skinny, ripped slaan>Women defend home base from all the horrors of Lustria>Men return broke and beaten and tell them back to the kitchen its the mens time to run shit>They decide fuck that and all the valkyries leave in exile>In the Amazon River find ancient Lizardmen town in ruin with a female old one imprisoned beneath it>Teaches them how to use some Lizardmen tech including Skink Spawning pools to create new daughters without needing men>Have shamans, leopard warriors that fight with magic clawed gauntlets, archers and lizardmen style dinosaur mounts>Elves and Dwarves bring back tales of "the vile amazons">Leads to mercs capturing a bunch and selling them off in the empire as slave girls.>Most escape easily except the ones in a certain damned city where they were taken to be dancers during the big festival of 1999...I honestly think if we don't get Lizardmen back we will get Amazons are our big lustria army in TOW.
>>96833501Not terribly soon, they'll likely go to legends first. Wouldn't surprise me if that happens when their next battletome drops though, given how cities is starting to get a new identity instead of "something to do with all your old leftover WHFB minis".
>>96833563tow could do the funniest shit and bring back all the oldhammer stuff instead of real lizardmen
>>96833632Khuresh Snakemen could take a lot of elements of pre-5th edition Lizardmen
>>96833656if kuresh gets evil snakemen there must be a way for snakemen to get redeemed maybe under sotek or rigg?
>>968326170 interest in it or it's models. Same as votann
>>96833668probably Sotek, since he is the Snake God or the Khursh Snakemen could be the Darker side of Sotek worship, compared to Lustrian Skinks
>>96833563>norscan valkyries that stumbled on an old one and became aztec cultistssounds pretty based.
>>96833668or maybe not all snakemen went chaos in the first place
>>96833563>we will get Amazons are our big lustria army in TOWFuck yeah, that'd be even better
>>96833536ToW at full shilling failed to clear just Darkoath
>>96833436Nice, good work. I remember that post, I wanted to reach through the screen and shake the life out of the guy. He was like "I know this picture is completely illegible, but maybe it's still legible?? Up to you."
I know we're all fake grogs here pretending we have been playing since the 90's, but how many other anons came over from AoS? Those of us at my LGS that had compatible AoS armies tried TOW when it launched and several of us haven't looked back since. Any other AoS to Fantasy converts?
>>96833536At this point they've been up against the wall re: their plastic production capacity for years. No analysis of what they do or don't decide to sell can be made outside of the understanding that they frequently sell out of the new stuff and masses of older kits are constantly out of stock. Until they get their new factory up and running we can't really say shit.
>>96833436This does make me wonder how many Arcane Journals they could justify. I mean the answer is basically 'however many it takes before they stop making money' but without getting too dumb, like an AJ with Savage Orcs and Night Goblins or Forest Goblins and idk what would work against them Basic bitch Orcs but with a tactikill bent?Or Dwarfs getting an AJ with miners/excavators and Norse Dwarfs.Empire with Ulricans vs Sigmarites,
>>96833989Didn't a 3rd factory line open up in July? And they are working on a 4th now to open next summer?
>>96834003I believe the last facility (or addition, can't remember) they opened was only for paint production. And the impending one is currently being delayed by rare bats roosting on the construction site (really).
>>96834017hmmm and it looks like the new facility is for packaging which is currently done at the existing factories.
>>96833986I did, I made the leap when they released Cathay
Kislev when? Are they waiting for the Ukraine war to end so they can sell their products in Russia again?
>>96834146It's possible, I wouldn't be surprised if they have a decent backlog of stuff to pad out waiting for the war to either end or leave peoples minds. Hell cathay still only has 3 mainline units (warriors/Lancers/artillery) and 2 specailty units (lantern and sentinel) to go with their single Lord (gate master) and hero lord (miao ying)
>>96833436Ogres, Giant, Nurgle and Delfs are leaving AoS soon
>>96833986Only person I know who religiously played Aos at my group tried tow a couple times, and then moved on to some other rank and flank game. Idk what it was but that fizzled out afterwards too.
>>96834241Giants having their own faction is odd in general frankly.
>>96834271It was neat on paper. Basically "we had a sit down with the ogres, nice lads, and they says they do that if we dont just smash people they PAY us more over time than in the one smashin' "
>>96834279So what giants in AoS are just bigger ogres without guns?
>>96834271Mostly it was a fun option considering they could be played in anything mostly. Ogres, Orcs, whatever could take giants and everyone else could take one of the regular or new bigger ones
>>96834271they tried to replicate the success of imperial knights in 40kexcept they didn't deliver on the one fucking thing that would sell the idea of an army of giants: armors
>>96834304You mean to tell me that people don't like painting a LOT of bare flesh? At least the Bonegrinder you can't get a little creative with.
>>96834146Probably war in Ukraine + they saw non-one liked nu-Kislev in TWW.(unlike Cathay who had fans as soon as they were announced)
>>96828732She seems nice! Where is the model from?
>>96834449The bear fetish was kinda of ehh but the big issue with Kislev is that they use a lot more magic weapons than i would have thought. Also that dumb ass sled with ice ski's.
I have never purchased a new warhammer model, everything is second hand.
>>96834449The magic ice bullshit and too many bears was one thing. Bearable if you will. The DLC adding Things in the Woods and Frost Wyrms was without a doubt the worst dlc in TW history for how it ruined the faction.
>>96834466Based
Alright dude
>had to sell it all to pay rent for that summer when I was broke two years agoI miss them lads (they did pay for 2.5 months rent though)
>>96834576Damn what a collection. RIP. Glad to hear you're out of the shit.
>>96834576Broke nigga problems.. can't relate
>>96834611Perrynigger one day I will find you and hold you accountable
>>96834576Feels bad man. I’d want to keep a core set of units if I ever sold my guys….
>>96834540/ss/
>>96832800what parts are these using?
>>96834500Get ready for the DLC that adds the Golden Knight, a strong female champion whose father was the previous knight.
>>96834576Hopefully they're marching out somewhere scratching out grudges.
>>96834673I genuinely don’t care about her being a woman I do care that her design is terrible much like most of the Kislev dlc stuff. She looks like a character in a shitty Chinese MOBA, not Warhammer. I really really hope GW reworks a lot of the TWW Kislev stuff design wise.
>>96834734They probably don’t have a sensitivity team for making things based on Eastern European culture, they probably have more freedom to change things.
>>96834750I hope GW doesn't pussy out of giving Mother Stinky her chicken leg hut like CA did.
>>96834750>>96834765I hope they go pretty hard with the changes. Keep stuff like Tzar Guard and Armoured Kossars. The ice guard are dumb and need to not be using magical ice weapons and bows but actual weapons. No frost wyrms, no ice bear elemental behemoth.
>>96834794The sword is supposed to be braced against your other arm not be all the way behind your head you just look like a fuckboi elf
>>96834673It's the same DLC lol
>>96834778I didn't mind the Ice Witch Guard when their concept was a very small elite corp of Ice Witches who stuck close to the Tzarina. I definitely didn't like the flanderization of Kislev into BEARS BEARS BEARS and MAGICAL ICE EVERYWHERE.>>96834500I used mods to give Ostankya spiders and other woodland beasts to recruit, which made her campaign more fun since she didn't feel like just another Kislev run with a few forest ambushers.
>more humans Yawwwn. If Kislev got those wendigos and other inhuman shit I’d be interested but I don’t give a fuck about another discount human faction.
Should I:>trudge on with my Empire (Nuln) army that has lost quite a lot of momentum and steam, you could say, and has quite the amount of grey plastic but no motivation to be painted for right nowOr>build a Tomb Kings army
>>96834986Follow your heart, anon, follow your heart.
>>96834986Tomb Kings. The skeletons will always be there for you when you want to paint mindlessly.
>>96834986>should I finish that I started, or just consoom more What do you think, anon
What colour would you paint a Preyton?
>>96835047Id probably just prime it, then talk about how I'm totally gonna paint it by next game I just can't decide on a colour scheme,Then I might ask if I can proxy it as a Bretonian lord on pegasus for a few games before putting it up on eBay for 95% retail
>>96835060Our LGS has one guy like that. Starts roughly 2-3 armies every year and then a few months later you can find them being sold at the local facebook market base half assembled and primed grey
>>96832800I currently run Amazons as proxies instead of regular Daemonettes because good lord I hate the modern Daemonette sculpts.
These sell for a small fortune on ebay. $160 before shipping CAD for a box of 10. GW needs to add Vampire Counts back asap and rerelease this box
>>96835621There are better interactive, believe me. Gw skeletons are fiddly as shit.
>>96835623Alternatives not interactive, fuck autocorrect
>>96835623>>96835626nta, but any suggestions? These just have so much character.
>>96835621I think we'll get Vampire counts next year to compliment Kislev. Not sure what else though.... Skaven were mostly taken out of AoS not to long ago so they are kind of likely as well i guess.....
>>96835650>character Nigga these are skeletons. Borderline naked ones.Anyways wga,oathmark, mantic, take your fucking pick.
holy fuck i hate assembling these new tomb king characters, the fucking connection points barely even exist
>>96835621These were my first ever fantasy minis.Started 40k with dark vengeance starter box. Going from monopose to skeletons was amazing.Still got 20 of them but wish I got more : (
>>96833932Hey fuck you too buddy I got the image from tga where it was already compressed to high heaven
>>96832621absolute least necessary kit they could have done, incredible that GW could decide to do this before O&G get a plastic wyvern, Beastmen get a plastic chariot or WE get a plastic dragon. Man GW HQ must be a fucking clusterfuck and hive of confusion, rather than leaking models it'd be hilarious if someone dumped the internal minutes and reports just once.
>>96833991They can make as many arcane journals as they want because they can fill them with fucking nothing but redundant rules and some paraphrased text written by chatgpt.The one about norscans is just for 2 unit kits.The arcane journal about settra's war accompanies only 2 hero kits.The second journal about Cathay was made to accompany no miniatures.
I have pulled the trigger on two of these boxes and 100 40mm squares. I will carry the torch.
>>96836178pretty cool, you can easily convert the second tyrant into a battle standard bearer but you also need to get a butcher
>>96836152What even was in the cathay one?
>>96836192>but you also need to get a butcherYes, and I refuse to work with resin when metal is an option. Just grabbed this. I am basically set now. Maybe a box or two of Ironguts
>When you get sixes on the gaze of the gods table
>>96834672
>>96835918You mean new plastic ones?
>>96836230good fatlad
>>96836215rules for adding more empire units into a cathay army, it's basically a compromise because they still haven't released peasants and crane gunners
>>96836215some battle scenarios and rules for terrain generation and building occupation
NotKarlFranz added to my army. Here he is hiding in the undrgrowth, ready to strike
Should I buy up all the chaos warriors I can find n anticipation that they will go out of production?
>>96836538No i don't think Chaos Warriors will go out of production for a while.
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>>96836528last one
Managed to get some 7th edition fanatics on ebay today
>>96836628Still think you should have gone for the newer ones for those, the style isn't that different and it's justified by them getting freak juice anyway, but you do you
Are all TOW minis 28 mm?
>>96836652They're all over the place, so just get anything that you think looks best regardless of how precisely it matches the scale of other units or other armies.
>>96836344yeah
>>96836630I get them eventually because i love night goblins minis regardless of edition but i like the new fanatics less than the old ones.I dislike the new poses and the long hoods they have, pic related is small, charming and full of character plus they dont go over the base as much as the new ones do.
>order models from Element Games>ships from nottingham store to my house in under 24 hours>order model thats only on the warhammer store>ships from nottingham store to my house in over 5 days>both use the same mail service.Its not even the fact GW is more expensive for the same models, its not even the website was designed to be used on ipads bolted to walls in "the warhammer store"s its how everything they do down to mailing a single fucking box the size of a box of nuggies is worse than when you go anywhere else.
>>96836528>>96836601>>96836605nice
Got a 1000p game scheduled for tomorrow, it’s most likely gonna be my Beastmen against the stunty beard-things.
Can ogres ride mammoths?
welp according to leaks Ogre Kingdoms are returning with an Arcane Journal next year.How insufferable are Dark Elfags going to be this time?
>>96836861Dark elf fags have to understand that they will not return until age of sigmar gets its own brand of shadowselfs darknesskin™
>>96836874>Umbraneth Shadewalkers were planned for 2nd edition but put back because dark elves were not that popular and the face of spitting on the company was a guy burning his dark elf army after aos was announced.They are their own worst enemy.
>>96835621Bruh, just get the AoS skeletons.They're much better-looking and the old skellies.
>>96836861Did the leaks mention Kislev?
>>96836874I can't believe they haven't used Dark Elves to introduce literal dark elves into AoS yet. You'd think that'd be an easier diversity shoehorn than turning chaos barbarians into butch lesbians
>>96836882than*
>>96836882NTA but those are a better fit for Kislev themed Grave Guard than regular Skeletons.
>>96836882I did and do not recomend it. They are really shitty kits with the legs as one piece two torse bits click around to hold together and they are more weak and fragile than the original necron warriors at the waist.>>96836886Kislev vs Ogres in the frozen north east after the Chaos update. 2026 is the year of snowniggas.>capcha: aosjk
is there any point for the herald to be on a mount for tomb kings? I already have the "old" herald with banner and Im wondering if I should just build two monarchs, one on foot and one on horse.
>>96836896>Kislev vs Ogres in the frozen north eastbros..home...
I mentioned it a few weeks ago but today is the dayat a con right now, and I could get my wood elf arcane journal signed by kerillians VAif I do, what should be the message?pic for attention
>>96836907>here lies anon, he never scored
i'm gonna laugh so hard if ogres come back and delves don't. Just to spite the one asshole that lurks these threads swearing "DE are the most popular faction" but you never ever see a single fucking model being painted.
>>96836909but seriously though
>>96836913DE? Like i could understand Vampire counts but how deluded must you be to think DE are the most popular Fantasy faction not in yet. Admittedly Ogres are pretty far down the list but they can be used as mercs can't they?
>>96836861>welp according to leaks Ogre Kingdoms are returning with an Arcane Journal next year.God I hope so, and early too.
>>96836896It would be so kino.
>>96836896Switch Ogres for Chorfs and it would be kino.
>Kislev vs Ogres>Romanovs vs the great Khan fantasy editionWe are about to reach levels of sovl not seen since 6th edition.
>>96836938Chorfs are dumb memeshit for people that like rick and morty. Ogres are for men of culture.
>>96836907You never had an idea after all this time? Thought a mayfly would put more value on its limited life.
>>96836939It does beg the question of who would be funding those ogre mercs, Vampire counts are about the only ones who would make sense.
>>96836952Nobody needs to fund them. Cathay dropped a chunk of Morrsleib on them and made the chaos wasteland south of the silk road analogue so they are currently roaming further north because while they are unaffected by chaos theres no plunder to be had.Meanwhile the Beastmen and Chaos tribes are pushing into Kislev from the south and west forcing people to travel in a wide arc east then south along the mountains to trade with the empire. Prime raiding bait for hungry lads.
>>96836896They specifically rereleased the aos skelly kit earlier this year with a few modifications because they kept getting so many complaints about its fragility.
>>96836838not in rules, but yesit's what they should have gotten instead of the disgusting thundertusk
>>96836861>welp according to leaks Ogre Kingdomsfake shit, there are no leaks of the sort
>>96836985Actually theres been a fair few rumors along with the fact their entire model line is being retired from AoS and replaced. Your Dark Elves aren't coming back bro, nobody else likes them.
>>96836929>they can be used as mercs can't they?That's the reason why it's absurd for them to return, at least before more prominent factions like DE or Vampire Counts.
>>96836991Sounds like they're simply next in line. This year was chorfs, next year is ogres, the year after, who knows? But I admit it would be pretty funny if Delves never were freed from their purgatory.
>>96836991Removed & replaced =/= return to TOW.
>>96836991speculation aren't rumors and their model line getting replaced means nothing on their reintroduction into tow or vampires and skaven would also be reintroduced, and before ogresyou're running on your own delusions, retard.
>>96836985>He's already here to have a meltyDelfag pls go and stay go.
>>96834540God I wish that were me
>>96833436Isn't the ogre portion missing a fair few kits? Butcher, the maneater characters, yhetees, some other stuff? >>96836991Worth noting some stuff is staying. The big monster kit and the scraplauncher for sure, I think the gnoblars too.
>>96837037>everyone calling me out is my boogeymanpost the rumors' source or fuck off>inb4 it's his own 4chan post pasted on TGA
>>96834576I would rather be homeress than sell these lads
>>96836882>coolest thing in the kit is the unit fillersBrutal
>>96836882>skeletons>barely showing boneslame, if you had posted these guys at least there would have been something valuable
>>96836882Managed to rank these up on 20mm squares just a few days ago (with unit fillers of course), all painted up now. I much prefer the old skeleton kit because at least the skeletons there look like they're marching. These ones just stand around looking retarded
>>96836907>"Men move so fast… our arrows must fly faster still."That or something horny like "uwu I'm gonna step on you mayfly" like you actually want
>>96837082Guy on the bottom left has sick skeleton Warrior Priest potential, the rest belong in the trash
>>96836985>>96836991Can anyone point out the actual ogre rumours
>>96832617Cathay's shit. Warhammer is shit. Games Workshop was a mistake.
>>96836838An ogre riding a mammoth is how you were conceived.
>>96836913In that anon's defense, there was a very brief time where dark elves were the most popular army in the game according to the statistics GW released after one of the big events back in 6th, iirc. That event coincided with the army getting a new book and new models, so take it with a grain of salt. That all being said, they should bring back all the legacy factions, including the dark elves, as soon as possible. It's bullshit that they even considered not supporting a single army. As for ogres... they don't appeal to me in any way, so I don't care if they come back first. I've already got my warriors of chaos going, so I have no horse in this race.
>>96837010>empire range retired from aos>goes to TOW>beastmen range retired from aos>goes to TOW>ogre ranged about to be retired from aos>n-no into the void with those!
>>96836907just something with mayfly or lumberfoot
>>96837109There's no ogre rumor.
>>96837134lizardmen?
>>96837127There was no period where dark elves weren't somewhat popular.
>>96837150Actually most of Seraphon is still WHFB. Slaan, Warriors, Kroxigor, Chameleons and technically Kroak as a dual kit with the Slann are all the new shit they have the rest is all side game stuff like warcry and underworlds. Everything else is still WHFB models.
>>96837164I see. thought they already updated pretty much everything in AoS.
>>96837134skaven and vampires have already been updated and yet aren't reappearing in tow, and dark elves are also on the way out, and yet you are autistic against them for some reason.Lizardmen too could be reintroduced into tow with minimal overlap with their aos range already.
>>96837149There Is No Ogre Rumor
A fantastic set of two 500 games with the brave Dawi against the narcotic forces of Nurgle! Thane Grumgrimm proved his worth, duelling the enemy general in a ferocious challenge. A glorious day to tabletop!
>>96837157That is true, I did not say otherwise.
>>96837174But Skaven and Vampires at this point in time are not involved in the affairs of the old world. Ogres are. Shit they have models in four different armies right now. Theres a world of difference between "stuck in a civil war deep underground for so long people think they are cryptids" and "guy who lives a bit east of here" in terms of viability of naturally showing up right now. Like the Cathay AJ specifically talks about them as a problem on their border as bad as the chaos tribes in the north. Thats a current and present force.
>>96837208>But Skaven and Vampires at this point in time are not involved in the affairs of the old worldFluff literally doesn't matter, it's written as excuses to support what's to be done, it gets bent at a moment's notice, not the other way around, ogre kingdoms too are uninvolved in the affairs of the old world, since they're a legacy faction, lizardmen and dark elves and chaos dwarfs too are just "a bit over there".If you want to speculate about the return of ogres as a core faction, do so, but don't pretend your wishes are anything but, let alone rumors.
>>96836722Element Games is run by very competent people too, while I can only assume GW warehouses are run by fuckoff wagies who work as little as possible. Small stores only survive by strong local communities and excellent service, since they can't win on economies of scale. So they run a tight ship. >>96836907Alix Wilton Reagan? She's hot.>>96837174The whole refusal to double dip on model ranges is such a retarded corporate bit. The AoS vamps have some genuine winners that could and should go on a ToW tabletop. On the other hand, the selfsame decision let me buy my beloved Orc and goblin infantry again, instead of their "dynamically posed" and reimagined AoS cousins, so I guess it's all gravy in the end.
>>96837108Brother, you are touched in the head if you think the spearskellie looks bad. I get that you don't like the AoS skellies and prefer the old Fantasy ones. I also get that you're frustrated that the old skellies are so hard to get and so expensive, but you're letting your frustration with the current state of affairs color your perceptions about how things look.
>>96837164Kroak is a separate kit from the normal slann, dropped a while before the rest of the range refresh. You forget the salamander which they replaced with the spawn of chotec, razordon got dropped completely iirc. They also retired the tetto'eko model which was used a skink starseer in aos. Oh and worth noting that they replaced saurus knights with two sets of new cav, light skink ones and heavy saurus ones. So the cold one kit should also be free
>>96837174>>96837164lizardmen have a perfectly good roster of old metal models to use without touching what aos is usingeven for skinks they can use the plastic ones with bows from the 5th ed starterand they can supplement the loss of some later units (ripperdactyls, troglodon, ancient stegadon, bastiladon) with stuff like the dread saurian or the introduction of old models as new units (tichi huici riders as skinks riding on horned ones, 5th ed salamander as an ancient salamander, 6th ed kroxigors as ambush kroxigors) or stuff you have to convert (sacred spawnings, coatl, arcanodon, thunder lizard, great pteron, unridden dinosaurs)
>>96837208>Ogres areOgres are LITERALLY nobodies in The Old World, with ZERO impact on its history.
>>96837088>Managed to rank these up on 20mm squares just a few days agoBut... they're suppose to go on 25mm bases. You're not playing TOW?
>>96837452NTA, but you can use trays and play TOW, and also play older editions of WFBI also use 20 mm squares
>>96835650>https://www.goonhammer.com/the-goonhammer-guide-to-28mm-multipart-skeletons/
RATE MOST TO LEAST LIKELY TO RETURN NEXT YEAR:>Dark Elves>Vampire Counts>Skaven>Ogre Kingdoms>Lizardmen>Chaos Dwarves>Demons of Chaos
>>96837574I think they are all equally likely, except for Daemons. GW doesn't really know what to do with that entire faction range in general regardless of the setting or system they are in.
>>96837574>Ogres - A straight WHFB model range return as AoS updates theirs ala Empire>Vampire Counts - Likely but with them moving the Soulblight/FEC sculptor over they are probably likely just not in the next 12 months>Dark Elves - Depends on what happens to them in AoS>Demons of Chaos - Probably requiring total from the ground do over>Lizardmen and Skaven tied - could come any time but not until the one system per model autism goes away, they aren't going to stock two lines of both thats way to many models>Chaos Dwarves - Too easily twisted into an anti semitic thing by normies, about as likely as Fimir which is to say never ever. You got your warcraft chorfs in AoS and thats all you will ever get.
I’m of mixed opinion on the prospect of coming back to TOW. Cause on one hand I’m saving a lot of money on them not being involved, but on the other hand it really would be neat to build an army instead of small painting projects. The first Cathay AJ had a lot of their history with the Ogres and the Sky Titans and their range has new Ogres in it for the cannons. They’re on someone’s mind in the design team, but only time will tell.
>>96837574>vampires>ogres>skaven>lizardmen>dark elves>chorfs
>>96837574>DE 7/10>VC 5/10>SK 4/10>OK 6/10>LM 5/10>CD 3/10>DC 0/10
>>96837624This. I might place delves a like higher though.
>>96837574next year is still too soon for legacy factions
>>96832800No I'm not a fag.
>>96836882They don't fit as skeletons, they have too much equipment, those would be grave guards. They're also most likely a nightmare to rank up.
>>96837452I base everything for 8th edition so I can play Warhammer Armies Project with some friends. I use adapter trays for TOW but that system is not kind to my preferred style of play for VCounts, Vampires are so weak.
>>96837705They're not weak at all, they're just too expensive.
>>96837574What part of 2027 is the earliest you’ll see a legacy faction returning do you not understand.
>>96837708Unless my blood dragon vampire lord doesn't physically beat up my opponent and steal his money I don't like it
>>96836907>"You look ridiculous."
Found a Cockatrice i built, left in the corner of my window behind the edge of the curtain and forgot about for like two years. I think the sun slightly melted it and turned the resin green. Still seems okay but real bummer about the cool nest i built that doesn't fit on a 50mm base.
>>96837807keep it on that base
>>96837574DE/VC/OGRES are all possibilities, LM&Skaven unlikely those are furfag factions and AoS's core appeal is faggotry, chorfs never ever they would cannibalize HoH, and DoC are completely haram because they make the bean counters at corporate have fits.
>>96833724I think it is a situation where snakeman are spawned from chaos corrupted lizardmen spawning pools, so that would be like good beastman.
>>96837819>chorfs never ever they would cannibalize HoHthe old resin models wouldn't cannibalise the HoH because their price per model would be unbearable and because most units don't really the correct analog or aesthetic for themthey would work as piecemeal additions to some chaos warriors arcane journal
>>96837829I say they would cannibalize because James seems to be focused on getting everything in plastic for TOW (slowly but surely) the only way they'd get released now would be a plastic line based on the TWW3 designs which completely mog HoH.
I got the wood elf arcane journal signedshe said it was the first warhammer related thing she's signed this weekend (as everyone else has asked her to sign stuff for mass effect, dragon age, assassins creed etc) and she had a flick through the book
>>96837866thought she was a UK-based VA I'm surprised she did work for BioWare games
>>96837721Vampire lords do beat their opponents though
>>96837866cringe
>>96837866Nice job Anon.
>>96837885fairly certain she's a londonerand it's not like voice acting overseas isn't possible as theres plenty of local voice recording companies that are able to provide servicesand speaking of voice acting, she said she was recently in a 3hr recording session for vermintide 2 if anyone cares
>>96833668>The Pure: The Untold Story of Chaz Elliott's Snakemen>Back in the dawning of the Warhammer world, one man had a vision of a subterranean empire, a hollow realm where creatures part man and part snake burrowed and writhed in the dark, tainted earth beneath the frozen northern chaos wastes. That man was Chaz Elliott, and this is his story, the untold origin of the iconic, enigmatic Citadel snakemen sculpts that captured the imagination of many and generates discussion in places like FB and the Oldhammer forum to this day. (Please note, the following is taken from my chat logs from a several month period and may be altered for convenience and legibility).>CC: When the subject of your snakemen sculpts comes up on our forum, a common theme is one of discussing their origins - questions arise like what are their rules? What base size were they intended for? Are they just a different class of beastman? Can you please shed some light on how the snakemen came about? >Chaz: Split off from the Slann - feckup breeding program - they went to the darkside and moved to the frozen north to build new underground breeding pits so they could return to Lustria and take it back from the alien overlords -- or something like that. Wanted a barbarian feel to them - like badass snakes that live in a cold climate cos they are dead ard. [They would use] Sigil magic - based around shards of the first hatching.>CC: That's fascinating. Who pitched that idea? >Chaz: Me. Never took off. Jez thought that they were too close to his style and told me to stop copying him - find some originality - and move my wrist more. Sage advice.>CC: Ooer...>Chaz: The discussion with Jez was amiable - he was a good teacher- his perspective was to set me on my own journey of discovery rather than slavish adulation - did me a favour - now I can sculpt in a myriad of different styles - always good to have a hero to inspire you - even better if they give you good advice.
>>96837900You should probably go on /vg/ I'm sure the /COOPG/ thread will be thrilled for more Vermintide content
>>96837907>CC: What other ideas were there for the snakeman range that you'd hoped to realise? >Chaz: snakes riding large earth elemental wurms - digging and delving through the frozen north - encountering warpstone and mutating - battles between Natural Born and Warped Snakemen - that kind of pooh.>CC: Sounds awesome! You didn't happen to make any sketches did you? >Chaz: I did - but lost the sketchbook some time ago - A friend took some photocopies as he was a figure frother -- but he passed away 5 yrs ago and his wife threw everything out -- had my ideas and sketches for Ogres in there too.>CC: I'm sorry for the loss of your friend, and the art. Did you have a name for the snakemen?>Chaz: S'nethen -The Pure.>While his vision of the tunneling wurms was more along the lines of a beast with an omni-directional head with a twelve-piece jaw, each segment having a single eye on it (like the most nightmarish D12 you ever saw) and a whole lot more spines, I'm willing to take some artistic licence here. https://funkywenisrodeo.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-pure-untold-story-of-chaz-elliotts.html?m=1
>>96837866Cute
>>96837885British actors are in hot demand due to being able to circumvent the insane US unions.
Mark my words we are getting Amazons with snake men as a kroot style sub faction instead of Lizardmen.
>>96837866I am jealous now.also she voice female Dreadlord in TWW
>>96838195slim slann too or riot
Doing some more progress on my razorgor, what are you Anons working on?
>>96837574Next year? Kislev, Counts, Dogs of War, and Demons. Demons aren't going to get a new army, they are just going to be rolled into warriors of chaos with either the Dogs of War or in an AJ. Dark elves and Vampires are interchangeable though. Either could be 2nd.Order of release>Dark elves - 4th>Counts - 2nd>Skaven - 8th>Ogres - 5th>Lizards - 6th>Chaos Dwarfs - 9th>Demons - 10*>Kislev - 1st>Dogs of War - 3rd>3rd new faction - 7th
>>96838369This fellow. Now I'm continuing to paint more Empire Knights.
>>96838385Counts still share alot of kits with sbgl, maybe next summer after they squat most of them
>>96838397Looking good my dude, may he slay the enemies of man with faith in his heart
>>96838385>demons rolled into Warriors of ChaosI don't think we'll get mono-god armies but i'd be surprised if they put demons in with WoC.
>>96833436Thanks anon.
It's cool that we're getting reworked models, but wouldn't it be nice if they were working a little bit faster and communicated to us what their plans are instead of just leaving us in the dark?
>>96838820When's the next even where they generally show what's upcoming? Last one was in..... fucking April?
>>96838830Ahh the big summer preview which was basically just the new TK models + AJ's for TK and Cathay which are out now.
>>96838830November 5thLast even was in june or july idk but they didn't show off much for tow. Mainly chorfs for aos and votann for 40kay
>>96838830They might have stopped doing them, I think they would have saved the Norsca reveal for one if it was happening in the near future
>>96837596>>Chaos Dwarves - Too easily twisted into an anti semitic thing by normiesNot really. That's ironically mostly a chud thing because normal people don't associate moloch sacrifice with jews.
>>96837596>>96838960Chorfs are arguably more mesopotamian in their current aos form than in whfb
>>96838830Warhammer Championships are happening November, if there’s a big reveal show of any kind it’ll be during that month. I think the fatman rumor monger of 40k mentioned a November reveal show, and he’s been correct enough there to not totally discount.
I know it's not a feat like killing a Bloodthirster or something, but I find this short blurb pretty impressive. So strong as to lift a Knight and his horse over you and toss it!
>>96834778Every army needs a big ass centerpiece model, anon, that's the rule. And I would much rather have a Frost Wyrm than another fucking bear.>>96834734I think Kislev is already lost, GW will never pull off the historical drip and all we can get is an asian MMO style of armor
>>96838397Looks good. What region of the Empire is that?
>>96839073The issue with Frost Wyrms, the elemental bear and Incarnate of beasts is that they would probably all require a Wizard to be useable for an army, either Ice or Hag. Bears aren't big enough to be considered a 'centerpiece' and they don't traditionally have anything that'd really be considered a 'centerpiece' even in WH3 outside those units. I could maybe see Kislevite heavy war sleds as a centerpiece unit.... at a stretch, maybe have 2 variants one for Heavy War sled with gunners one with a mortar on it. Really i'd expect bears to be extremely limited to Lord mounts and Heavy sleds to begin with.
>>96838397No region. They are members of the Order of the Fiery Heart.The non-knightly part of my army is from Averland.
>>96839091--> >>96839196fug
>>96839073I'll defend a bear over other centerpieces if it means they try to cram some architectural element on top of that shit
>>96839214Bears stand a lot on their hind legs so no, that wouldn't work
>>96839073Why not both ?
>>96839238I know, but it's the best I can picture to not have that thing as a complete waste of a kit
Why did you never hear people gush about Beastmen back in the day? is it just that folk horror wasn't in vogue in the 90's and 2000's like it was in the 80's and is today?
>>96839073>>96834778I think the Ice Bear and Ice Guard are cool.Also the Ice bear is literally just an elemental incarnate like ones found in the Monstrous arcanum. They're not a new idea.
>>96839200Interesting. You got anymore pics?
How do you do /yourdudes/ for Bretonia when there’s canon dukes?
>>96839354You lord is a Baron instead
>>96839347Sure. My last game. I already posted it here, so only few pics of my army. Now I got two more units of regular knights and one unit of demigryph knight. Tommorow I will be playtesting them.
>>96837574>>Dark Elves5/10 more likely 2027>>Vampire Counts4/10 more likely 2027-28>>Skaven0/10>>Ogre Kingdoms7/10>>Lizardmen0/10>>Chaos Dwarves0/10>>Demons of Chaos0/10
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>>96839317I coud see them toning most the ice stuff down considering Katarin isn't in power and most the narrative of the Great War revolves around the gryphon legion, so there has to be a army of infamy at some point with Gryphon Legion and Knights Panther in it. Also unlike Cathay there are no illustrations in the rulebook even hinting at the elemental bear and no flavour text. I think the ice sleds will probably be large enough to be centrepieces, remember they are pulled by two bears.
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>>96839214The tower needs magical ice canons with muzzles shaped like open bear maws that shoot frostbearspirits poking out of the windows.
>>96839441found the CA employee
can you beat this army?
>>96839394>>96839406>>96839422Very nice and very clean anon
>>96839422Fiery heart transfers (I got it from Eldar/Dark Elves boxes).
>>96839414I think they should include the "current" Gryphon Legion commander as a named character for Kislev, and you could contrast him with an Ungol character.I wouldn't mind if they didn't include the Ice Bear yet, and went for the War Sleds/Little Grom and Warbear Riders instead since I feel like Kislev would need a more fleshed out army than Cathay to work.I'm not sure a Gryphon Legion AoI would be particularly different from a standard Kislev army. I think an Ice Court AoI and a Ungol tribe AoI would be more interesting.
>>96839478>150 Bretonnian infantry, three units of KOTR, and a mortar (trebuchet) vs 900 gnobheadsI like those odds
>>96839298Couple of reasons though I think the lack of internet mass use made Warhammer far more spread out in terms of duscussion than most. Paul Sawyer had a Beastman army he loved
>>96839489Good to see someone doing a different knightly order. Ive just finished painting these Reikland Demigriffs but i didnt enjoy it too much because they were too detailed and needed much concentration.
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>>96839569Found one photo from the front
>>96839598Very nice anon. Are they Reikguards?
>>96839629THanks anon. I'd like to think so but I'm not sure the actual Reikguard exists in ToW times so they are just Reikland Demigriff Knights for now
>>96839661No, I'm pretty sure Reikguard doesn't exist at that time.
Thoughts on running a chaos warrior deathstar with 28 warriors with shields, halberds, the war banner and the taskmaster's scourge on the champion, a chaos lord (CoEC, Pendant of Damnation, Sword of Might, favour of the gods, enchanting aura), aspiring champion (bsb, favour of the gods, icon of darkness, diabolic splendour), sorcerer lord (battle magic, skull of katam, power scroll, spell familiar, favour of the gods), and an exalted sorcerer (daemonology, spell familiar, tome of the dark gods for fleshy abundance and acquiescence)? I know it's not competitively viable, but surely with this much investment my chaos warriors will be able to accomplish something, right?
My mate that works at GeeDubs just told me they're actually squatting your favourite army Anon,I'm so sorry - he said it was bad for business and attracted the 'wrong' type of customer
>>96839736no, dont squat my tomb kings again :(
>>96839478>cast pillars of fire into it>toast a bunch of gnoblars>go take a lunch break while the gnoblar player handles all the break tests and routes the entire army
>>96839736Jokes on them i love all AoS armies equally, guess they'll have to squat everything
Why did GW retcon the elves into Eldar?
>>96839478>causes terror in your pathNothing personal, kid
>>96839736Jokes on you, I play a legacy faction. I'm already squatted.
>>9683978040k was more popular
>>96839780Matt Ward, just ignore it.
>>96839916I miss matt ward honestly
>>96839532>>96839770I forgot I also have a pyromancer Outcast Wizard, yeah this would probably be over quickly in that case. Gay, I'd replace him with another "trebuchet" (catapult) so we can have some fun
>>96839926He was a decent fantasy writer except for his Demon Army book
>>96839926Why? He gave us 7e DoC and killed the setting with 8e.
>>96839948his issue was external balancegive him all the books of an edition, and the result would be a fun editionprovided someone is there to slap the back of his head when he tries something like the banner of the world dragonalso all his armybooks are full of stuff, fluffwise, both interesting and silly, but as a whole fresh
>>96839948He was a great character writer. He just sucked at writing army lore.Then again I feel like most 40kids would take ward back in heartbeat over whoever the hell is still writing 40k now.
>>96839976Fair point, I consneeed. A pure all-Ward edition would work, but Ward + anyone else is garbage.
>>96839478I would definitely steal a few of those models ngl.
The army is ready for tommorow.
>>96840269Give em hell. What is your opponents army?
>>96840329I don't know who will show up and who I will face. WoC are guaranteed, Bretonnia (the guy also plays Dwarfs), maybe Dark Elves.
>>96840269I don't know if it's the lighting and angle but that has got to be the most unintentionally nurgle-ish basing I've seen in a while. It looks very sickly. I hope your peasants are doing OK, anon. I know it can be rough out there.
>>96834146>>96834449What do people keep using the ongoing War in Ukraine as an excuse for GW delaying Kislev indefinitely for the Old World? Nintendo only delayed Advance Wars 1+2: Re-Boot Camp for only about a year when they realized that the war was not going to end after a year. The Blue Moon army at least has some references to Russian military hardware.
Does anyone know if these specific Fanatics were done in metal or plastic?
>>96840787Plastico. Why do you ask anon?
>>96840870>>96840870I am hunting for these for my Orc n Gobbo army, bought one sealed pack off ebay a few minutes ago. Need another set.
>>96834986Stick with one army, otherwise you're only going to end up with 2 unpainted armies. Finish the empire first, I'd say, or trade it/sell it to finance the skelly boys.But generally speaking, it's a good idea to only buy models when you've painted what you've got (or most of them anyways).
Warherd is coming together
aside from the stuff in the battalion box, largely high elves look fine. I kinda wanna get into them, but I dont want GW to suddenly update something that I spent money on like a month or two beforehand. I'd be fine if its just a hero that gets rug-pulled on me, but ellyrian reavers, the chariots, really any of the more mobile stuff for high elves, I hope never gets updated.With that said I EXPECT THE LOB STUFF TO COME BACK YESTERDAY GW
>>96841981Moo on brother!
>>96842094I swear me and you make up like 30% of model posting.Beastchads rise up
>>96842165What can I say, I like my dudes. Also getting closer on finishing my razorgor. It’s fun doing a different color scheme to the rest of my normal beasts since it’s a different creature altogether.
>>96839298Shit rules.Also every army had its own discussion forum run by fans so sperging over how cool your dudes are was more self contained>>96839354Past dukesFuture dukesPretender dukesBastard sons of dukes seeking to overthrow their father by only means Bretonians comprehend - chivalrous man on man combat
>>96832612I have nobody to play ToW with, but I like theory crafting.Are Allied Contingents ever worth it?
>>96839354Small mountain dukedom, it's not very prosperous, with wool and cheese being it's main exports. But it is so peaceful the duke is often away on crusades.But something bestial stirs in the twisted pine forests that border the dukedom...
>>96839354Historic dukes.
800 points of Brets will join 800 points of Empire this afternoon against a marauding band of Orcs.
Why is GW so hellbent into destroying the Westerlands in articular, in TOW? seems a bit unfair.Also, I don't recall this sort of ravaging being mentioned in other editions.
>>96843020because there's nothing there so it's free real estate for new content added retroactively
Can anyone help me out? Got my ass handed to me yesterday in a 1000 point Bretonnia (me) versus Wood Elves game.I am not the smartest and feel like I am failing to grasp basic concepts most people naturally understand.My list:++ Characters [381 pts] ++Duke [381 pts] (Hand weapon, Lance, Heavy armour, Shield, General, Royal Pegasus, Gromril Great Helm, Sirienne's Locket, Gauntlet of the Duel, Virtue of Heroism)++ Core Units [396 pts] ++6 Mounted Knights of the Realm [215 pts] (Hand weapons, Lances, Shields, Heavy armour, First Knight (champion) [Antlers of the Great Hunt], Standard bearer [Banner of Honourable Warfare], Musician)18 Men-at-Arms [121 pts] (Hand weapons, Polearms, Shields, Light armour, Yeoman (champion), Standard bearer, Musician, Grail Monk [Blessed Triptych])12 Peasant Bowmen [60 pts] (Hand weapons, Longbows, No armour)++ Special Units [223 pts] ++3 Pegasus Knights [223 pts] (Hand weapon, Lances, Shields, Heavy armour, First Knight (champion), Standard bearer [War Banner], Musician)---His list:++ Characters [265 pts] ++Spellsinger [145 pts] (Hand weapon, Wizard [Level 1 Wizard], General, Warhawk, Ruby Ring of Ruin, High Magic)Shadowdancer [120 pts] (Spear of Loec, Level 1 Wizard, Battle Magic)++ Core Units [300 pts] ++5 Glade Guard [75 pts] (Hand weapon, Asrai longbows, Fire & Flee, Vanguard, Arcane Bodkins)5 Deepwood Scouts [75 pts] (Hand weapon, Asrai longbows, Arcane Bodkins)5 Deepwood Scouts [75 pts] (Hand weapon, Asrai longbows, Arcane Bodkins)5 Deepwood Scouts [75 pts] (Hand weapon, Asrai longbows, Arcane Bodkins)++ Special Units [435 pts] ++3 Tree Kin [160 pts] (Hand weapon, Heavy armour (Hardwood flesh), Elder)6 Wardancers [114 pts] (Hand weapon, 6x Additional hand weapon, Bladesinger, Musician)5 Wild Riders [161 pts] (Hand weapon, Hunting spear, Light armour, Shields, Wild Hunter, Standard bearer, Musician)---I don't want to tailor my list to beat his. Any help?
>>96843069Lists are not as important as how you play, but having said that:Duke in 1K games is obscene, I only use palladins in those games. You'll free up a lot of points so you can add anoher knight unit (or two!), this army desperatly needs more triangles on the table.
>>96843084My Duke always has the same set up, with 5 games now, I can never seem to get him in combat and when he has made it into combat Killing Blow/Monster Slayer has never gone off.I feel at this point I have to use him till he finally works.In the above game, I was tabled, I killed the Treekin Elder, that was it. My Duke + Pegasus Knights charged the Treekin and failed to kill any of them. The Elder challenged First Knight, who accepted, the rest fought the other 2 Treekin. I rolled bad and her rolled great and made 5 regen saves. We were then stuck in combat and his Wardancers charged into my flank and it was game over for me.
List building for some armies is abysmally fucking boring to me for some reason. I genuinely need dogs of war to become an actual army before anything else so I can finally start and get some games in, I don’t even care if gw can’t supply all the models for it, as long as I can get the Greek looking dudes from gw, I can proxy the other shit with wga or mantic stuff.
>>96843020To justify why it is called the Wasteland during WFB, if I had to guess, the writers forgot it's called the Wasteland due to Imperials being pissy that Marianburg bought their independence and that they only care about Marianburg and nothing else
>>96843069>381 point Duke and pegasus knights in a 1000 point gameI'm glad you lost faggot>t. Brexile chad
>>96843304This.WAP does it the best>35% of your army points in Heroes (only 25% of which can be put into Lords)>25% Core minimum>50% Special>25% Rare
>>96843304I'm new to the game and trying to learn. Are you saying I should play as Exiles?
>>96836192wtf does pre-supported mean?
If I spam minotaurs and dragon ogres, do I win tournaments?
>>96843321No? I'm saying you're a WAAC faggot
>>96843337a printer works by dropping little bits of resin where the miniature needs layer by layer going upsome parts of the miniatures don't have another part directly underneath and the printer would have to drop the resin in the air, so prints are done with supports, some STL files are not designed with any specific support so you need to add them yourself (typically a printer's software can design them automatically), when a sculptor makes his files pre-supported it's a bit of an added value because it's an assurance that said configuration of supports works and doesn't fuck up
>>96843357But why the hell would I accept anything less? Do people usually buy prints that look like shit? I mean come on
>>96843338Dragon ogres are good. Minotaurs aren't very competitive which is a shame
>>96843351Look I don't know what I am doing. I have played 5 friendly games and that is it. I can go off the list the core set comes with plus the little bit I have learned on-line. I thought taking a Duke with Heroism was just standard. I just want to learn the game, if I am doing something wrong then please help me out.
>>96843371some sculptors sell stl files without specific supports and people buy them anyway because they are confident they can add the supports themselves, it's a relatively trivial thing>Do people usually buy prints that look like shit?I'm not suggesting people buy minis printed without supports, the supports are a necessity or the prints simply don't have a result that looks anything like the miniature, it's a matter of whether the file already comes with the designs of supports or the buyer has to add them
>>96843377Not him but it's hard to goby as we don't know how the battle itself played out. Were you kited? Were you gunned down? Did you struggle to match deployment?
>>96843390I prayed so he goes first.His Turn 1: He moved some units forwards into a hill roughly in the centre of the board. He couldn't shoot my Bowmen or Pegasus Knights, so everything went into my MKotR, taking them down to 2 models. I think he kill 2 Men-at-Arms as well.My Turn 1: Marched my Men-at-Arms forward 8, kept my Pegasus Knights and Duke protected behind them. Marches my Bowmen forwards and spread out, protecting my 2 remaining MKTotR.His Turn 2: Charged is Wild Riders into my Bowmen and wiped them out. Marched his General down behind me, moves melee units forwards. Shot at my Men-at-Arms. Failed to charge his Treekin into them.My Turn 2: Charged my 2 MKotR into his War Dancers, they both died instantly. Manoeuvred my Men-at-Arms to block his General from charging into my Pegasus Knights. Charged my Duke and Pegasus into his Treekin. The Ancient challenged and my First Knight accepted. I rolled poorly, he rolled great regen, I think I did 7 wounds over all but he made 5 regen saves. I win the combat, they fell back in good order and I followed.His Turn 3: Shot at my Men-at-Arms. Charged his Wardancers into my Pegasus and wiped them out. My Duke challenged his Ancient and killed it but lost combat and fell back in good order.We called the game there.
>>96843450Sounds like your best units got sniped then by screening them woth other units, you made them "invalid" as they couldn't monouver or charge, letting hour infantry get slaughtered and mop up the rest.TOW is a hard ass game though I suggest looking at deployment. If you have a thin line of archers, place them in front of your knights. Once charged, flee them, ideally through your knights and counter charge.As well, to avoid anons dogpiling, I suggest using Grand Melee compositions (max 25%) as it will enforce a mutually levelled playing field than standard restrictions. Good luck!
>>96843499I'm really not sure what to do. He has a lot of very powerful shots with a huge range, 20 32" AP-2 shots really hurts. The Strikes first on his Wardancers and the high initiative on his Wild Riders also really hurts as I feel like Pegasus are glass cannons and getting hit first wipes them out before they can do anything. Even if I rebuild my army from scratch it feels really skewed.
>>96843527Welcome to warhammer, a broken game where the game can end at listbuilding.Utilize terrainScreen your units with cheap trash unitsFlank a lot, positioning wins gamesDont run heroes outside of unitPegasi are for warmachine / beast hunting. You might achieve something with them against shooting heavy elves by positioning them in such a way as to have terrain block elves from shooting themDont pray against shooting lists, just rush forward
>>96843527Again, agree Grand Melee restrictions and that should help a bit. 25% point cap on units of total points.
>>96842934Looking good anon
>>96843815Well I want to fight the guy again with the same list and same terrain as I feel like I will learn better than way. But to be honest I don't think my list stands a chance but I am trying to understand why it doesn't stand a chance. I guess I want to build a "blind list" that is generic, as in I turn up to play against someone and don't know what they are bringing. Tailoring my list to beat his or changing the rules at this point feels like cheating. And I also want to understand why say a Duke is good in a 2000 point list but not a 1000 point list, like why something can be good at 1000 points and bad at 2000 and vice-a-versa. How does a 1000 points difference shift the mechanics that drastically?
>>96843894>why something can be good at 1000 points and bad at 2000 and vice-a-versaunit numbers. 1k has a higher power core units compared to 2k where core units are usually completely your chaff/tarpits/etc. In 1k a couple small units of archers or hammers can break special or even rare units very easily. Those special units don't have enough back up to shine. In 2k those small units of core are nearly ignorable, which is why they are there for objective control. Basically, the ratios are the same from 1k to 2k, but the raw number of models is different. And 1 arrow killing a knight in 1k is way more impactful than 2 arrows killing 2 knights in 2k.
>>96834003Wayland Games claimed they were, but Wayland Games could tell me the sky was blue and I'd still feel the urge to stick my head out of a window and check.
>>96843894oh, could you also post his list?
>>96843971nm, I'm blind. Just looking at this now.
>>96843914So would this list play better at 1000 points?++ Characters [292 pts] ++Paladin [216 pts] (Hand weapon, Lance, Heavy armour, Shield, The Crusader's Vow (replaces the Knight's Vow), General, Royal Pegasus, Gromril Great Helm, Virtue of the Impetuous Knight)Damsel [76 pts] (Hand weapon, Wizard [Level 1 Wizard], Bretonnian Warhorse, Elementalism)++ Core Units [480 pts] ++6 Mounted Knights of the Realm [190 pts] (Hand weapons, Lances, Shields, Heavy armour, The Crusader's Vow (replaces the Knight's Vow), First Knight (champion), Standard bearer [The Blazing Banner], Musician)6 Knights Errant [120 pts] (Hand weapons, Lances, Shields, Heavy armour, The Crusader's Vow (replaces the Knight's Vow), Gallant (champion))5 Squires [45 pts] (Hand weapons, Longbows, Fire & Flee, Scouts)5 Squires [45 pts] (Hand weapons, Longbows, Fire & Flee, Scouts)5 Squires [45 pts] (Hand weapons, Longbows, Fire & Flee, Scouts)5 Squires [35 pts] (Hand weapons, Longbows)++ Special Units [228 pts] ++3 Pegasus Knights [228 pts] (Hand weapon, Lances, Shields, Heavy armour, The Crusader's Vow (replaces the Knight's Vow), First Knight (champion), Standard bearer [Errantry Banner], Musician)It feels weird breaking everything down into smaller units, my brain is telling me bigger is more powerful. I feel like this would let me place my Squires at the end and then Vanguard move them to block los, allowing my big hitters to get in.Also with my current list I feel like it's impossible for me to beat Wardancers and Wild Riders. They seem overwhelmingly powerful.
>>96843069>5 Glade Guard [75 pts]That's pretty cringe for a 1k wood elf list to be fair, and borderline WAAC. The rest of the list is fine though. He could have taken the bow on his shadowdancer and just gigafucked you.>>96843975Yes, but you would still fail to the wood elf list. Impetuous would only need to fail once to lose the match.>Wardancers and Wild RidersCause your current list can't do anything to them. The list in this one does a lot better, and would most likely deal with them fine, but the treekin would be nearly indestructible and his characters will eat you.You do have a chance with this list though if things don't random charge. Would come down to terrain, placement of troops, and a little bit of luck.
>>96844263So how do I deal with those threats? Because I don't have a clue.
Had a game. Dorfs kicked my ass soudly.
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>>96844451>>96844437>>96844427>>96844422Man all those cool well painted minis and then a shitty 40k board. Some FLGS suck.
>>96844470>>96844473The real problem is, this table is TOO SMALL. I told the guy who runs LGS that next sunday we gonna need proper table and he promised he'll provide.
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>>96844485>3 gyros and 3 cannonsJesus christ.
>>96844491Turn 1. We both rolled 1, so Dorfs had first turn (he deployed first).
>>96844470Tough match up. I'd hoped a small table would have been to your advantage
>>96844505My turn. Protip - never charge with your most expensive cavalry through forest, lol.
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>>96844422Your army was fully painted and his is not. You may have lost the battle, but won the war.
>>96844505>unpainted minis>no basing>3 gyros and 3 cannonsDwarffags you have a lot of explaining to do.
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>>96844422>>96844427>>96844437>>96844458>>96844470Great army anon. Your Empire looks far better than his Grey Dwarves>>96844496and Dwarf player had Greytide minis showing he was using his painting time to find loopholes in the rules. Any greytide should cost double points to signify poorly trained troops imho
>>96844535Another protip - avoid longbeards with dwarf lord at all cost. Those lilniggas are indestrictible.
>>96844546Ouch!
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>>96844560That's it. At that point I suredered. Pretty one-sided game. I managed to kill literally one dude. I hate gyrocopters, I hate longbeards. Next time I'm gonna play Nuln. 2 more cannons (out of 4) and 3 more engineers have been ordered.
what the hell are these hands?
>>96844470As a dwarf player, I would have been rooting for you anon.>>96844533He doesn't even have crew for his canons, how did he even manage that?
>>96844577Nevermind lad, put it down to experience. Youve probably learned plenty.Good to see one and a half well painted armies going at it.Also, not gluing the battlements on that tower is a good idea...
>>96844630The tower wasn't mine. I'm not to blame. I was pissed tho', because I was not allowed to charge his flank because of that shit. My list wasn't prepared for dwarfs desu, my grandmaster (general) had the dragon slayer sword, that was totally useless against the dwarf lord.>>96844606>>96844541>>96844512>>96844496>>96844473Thanks anons for kind words.
>>96844322Do what his list does but better? I've not played as Bretonnia but I think this list would be great against basically everything except probably dwarves. Anyone else thoughts?I'm really not a fan of Pegasus Knights in a 1k list the more I look at them. That's a TON of points for 6 wounds that get shot down by short bows or blow darts, let alone fuckshit bows like wood elves. I'd stick Damsel near Pegasus, the banner Paladin with the Yeomen both in skirmish, the squires in mid/side front deploy and march them up keeping the knights behind them. The Pegasus Knights opposite side of Yeomen unless they turtle. On the turn you charge, unleash hell with everything, force them to run through each other for evasive/flees, and anything you don't connect with from the charge won't be able to flee your arrows. Ignore, kite, and avoid the treekin until everything else is done. The Yeomen are there to shoot and force their archers to take it or flee towards your squires. On the charge your Yeomen/paladin have standing +4CR.Errantry Crusades, Open War - [999 pts]Paladin, Lance, Shield, The Crusader's Vow (replaces the Knight's Vow), General, Bretonnian Warhorse, Ruby Ring of Ruin, Burning Blade - 122Paladin, Lance, Shield, The Crusader's Vow (replaces the Knight's Vow), Battle Standard Bearer, Bretonnian Warhorse, Virtue of Duty - 107Damsel, Wizard [Level 1 Wizard], Bretonnian Warhorse, Illusion - 765 Squires, Fire & Flee - 405 Squires, Fire & Flee - 405 Knights Errant, The Crusader's Vow (replaces the Knight's Vow), Gallant (champion) - 1015 Mounted Knights of the Realm, The Crusader's Vow (replaces the Knight's Vow), First Knight (champion), Standard bearer [The Blazing Banner] - 1593 Pegasus Knights, The Crusader's Vow (replaces the Knight's Vow), First Knight (champion) - 1845 Mounted Yeomen, Feigned Flight, Warden (champion), Standard bearer - 855 Mounted Yeomen, Feigned Flight, Warden (champion), Standard bearer - 85
>>96844657>The tower wasn't mine. I'm not to blame.Genuinely I like the lower without the battlements on. I have that same tower with the battlements glued on. Wish I hadnt now because it also looks good (more civilian) without them.>My list wasn't prepared for dwarfsTell your opponent you were playing to the spirit of Stillmania (picrel)Good luck next time anon.
>>96838369Elfing it
>>96844587Fujoshi approved size
>>96844700(cont.)I'd drop the pegasus and throw all those points into squires. Make a 3rd unit, then make them all equal size and wide.Errantry Crusades, Open War - [1000 pts]Paladin, Lance, Shield, The Crusader's Vow (replaces the Knight's Vow), General, Bretonnian Warhorse, Ruby Ring of Ruin - 117Paladin, Lance, Shield, The Crusader's Vow (replaces the Knight's Vow), Battle Standard Bearer, Bretonnian Warhorse, Virtue of Duty - 107Damsel, Wizard [Level 1 Wizard], Bretonnian Warhorse, Illusion - 7610 Squires, Fire & Flee, Standard bearer, Musician - 9010 Squires, Fire & Flee, Standard bearer, Musician - 9010 Squires, Fire & Flee, Standard bearer, Musician - 905 Knights Errant, The Crusader's Vow (replaces the Knight's Vow), Gallant (champion) - 1015 Mounted Knights of the Realm, The Crusader's Vow (replaces the Knight's Vow), First Knight (champion), Standard bearer [The Blazing Banner] - 1595 Mounted Yeomen, Feigned Flight, Warden (champion), Standard bearer - 855 Mounted Yeomen, Feigned Flight, Warden (champion), Standard bearer - 85
>>96844587Strange how this lost of ‘the latest model released in old world’
Tamurkhan, you old maggot, it's been a long time.
>>96844809It also lost to a slightly kitbashed model from the mid-90s
>>9684458790s had a trend of miniatures with proportions based more on comics than reality. Picture him on a cover of Hulk or something and you get the idea what they were going for.>>96844322wardancers? shoot themwild riders? really nothing in bretonia I can think of but your cav is better so just charge forward and prey for the best.treekin? cannons, artillery, having them rape a block of peasants untill the game ends thus wasting their points.
are high elves missing anything from their army? The list feels too small, It should be comparable to something like what the empire has
>>96844856The beetuz fingers are a nice touch
>>96844862God I love that model
>>96844907The only thing they’re missing really is the option to take one elite unit as core depending on your generals honour. It would make the list building miles less shit
>>96844587Cancer. Shame
>>96844907>2 types of basic infantry >Basic ranged infantry >2 types of basic cavalry >The types of elite infantry >1 type of elite infantry >Two types of elite ranged infantry >A light, heavy and flying chariot>1 type of artillery >1 type of war beast>Multiple monsters >Tons of character and mount options Tell me what you think is missing so I can call you a faggot
>>96844907>are high elves missing anything from their army?no, they have everything, they're only missing updates to their spearmen, archers and silver helms, and for their griffin to be repackaged outside of island of blood.
>>96844961idk something that makes them feel unique, I guess they could have their own dryads? >>96844970>silver helmsif those need an update, everything in that rang needs an update, and it really doesnt.
>>96845031Feel free to bring in 500 points of allied wood elves dryads.And silver helms and basic bitch infantry are literally the eldest plastic minis gw sells.
>>96845044>allied wood elves dryads.No those are stinky, high elves should have their own special tree stuff. >And silver helms and basic bitch infantry are literally the eldest plastic minis gw sells.While I agree the archers and spearmen need updates, helms hold up well.
>>96845044> And silver helms and basic bitch infantry are literally the eldest plastic minis gw sells.Much of the Orcs & Goblins range is older. Tomb Kings skeletons are based on the 90s era Undead kit with an extra sprue added so I'd class them as older as well.Pretty sure the oldest GW kit is the Eldar Falcon, which 100% does still stand up.
>>96845031>if those need an update, everything in that rang needs an update, and it really doesnt.you don't know what you're talking about and evidently haven't seen the kit in question, they aged better than the basic infantry, but they are just as old and outdated as them
>>96844907I think you're just impressed by alternative hero sculpts
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new bloodbowl stuff next weekhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/prxigetv/sunday-preview-the-third-season-of-blood-bowl-is-underway/
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>>96845155Punt and new pick up the ball action alone make the game better. The new skill group really interests me.
>>96845155Never picking this game up until tzeentch gets some rep
>>96845226it's weird he's not in it, now that you mention, there might be an issue with the IP too, potentially
>>96845226Nuffle just doesn't like him
>>96845255No Slaanesh either.
>>96845264So who's missing from BB these days?Tzeentch, Slaanesh, Cathay, Hobgoblins, Kislev, Dogs of War, maybe
>>96845226Missing out honestly. It's my favorite board game. It's not really a wargame so I wouldn't class it into that sphere of the hobby. Tzeentch would be an interesting cheater chaos team. Not enough cheat teams as it stands so would be nice to have one.>>96845264I have 23 teams, and I have wanted a Slaanesh team since I started. My most played team is Chaos Chosen.>>96845273Unlimited possibilities. Each city could have a team list, each race, each subrace, hell we even got gnomes.
>>96843849Thanks, anon.Overwhelming victory for Brets and Empire. It was a real fun game, first time for the empire player.
>>96845292We prayed to the lady to the absolute bafflement of our Hochland allies
>>96845329See you don't want this to happen if you are an Orc. But it did happen.
>>96845346Turn 5, game ends. The pegasus eggs are ours!
>>96845226Just play with fummbl lists they even have motherfucking Lumbria.
>>96845273>Hobgoblinswere thet ever a separate team?
>>96845358What's in a lumbrian team?
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>>96845354Vive le Breton. Ze filthy Greenskins are sent packing. Nicely painted units on all sides
>>96845449no, but neither was Catha,y and they're most likely going to get a team at some point now
>>96845503but cathay are a faction, hobgoblins aren't
>>96845491weird, I'd have put australia in the northern peninsula of the south poleor lemuria
Really hope we get updated dragon ogres for beastmen, or maybe some kind of monstrous infantry that are a cross between lizards and beastmen.
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>>96845545just convert river trolls, stone trolls and kroxigors for your mutant crocodilian needs, bro
>>96844807Thanks for the advice anon. Unfortunately I don't have that many cavalry models.>>96844865That's the thing, I feel like our cavalry is inferior to them and costs more points. They are so fast, their initiative is higher, they have eleven reflexes and are going to counter charge. You're probably looking at 9I Vs 6I. Their WS is higher and they also have AP-2, so at best we have a 5+/6+ save. And do furious charge and frenzy go off on a counter charge? If so your potentially going into 15 attacks. We likely are not surviving that to ever hit back.
>>96845545we need fimir
>>96845674Bait their knights with mounted yeomen if possible, I found them very useful to set up optimal charges for your knights.
>>96845674You can flee from charge that should put them out of position and might allow flanking.
>>968456745 wounds of T3 Armor 5+. Could be as low as 15 shots to shoot them all down. Could even be a single turn if you kill 3 and they break. The big issue of wild riders is they get fucked by anything they can't touch.
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>>96844529Sounds like a sore loser cope
