Firebending 5 Edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025>NewsThe 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>96820387>TQFavorite 5 mana sorcery?
new spoilers?
>>96833192flavor failshould augment firebending effects, not give them
ATTENDANCE IS UP (Your LGS failing is just a slice.)SALES ARE UP (All the people you know who quit don't count.)EXCITEMENT IS AT RECORD LEVELS (The total apathy or hatred toward every product is not factored in.)NEBRASKAISBOOMING
>>96833241After years of trying to get any of my friends to try MtG, Universes Beyond is actually what convinced them to start playing. Final Fantasy in particular, they don't care about any other UB, and they're all interested in the old in-universe stuff now.
>TQ>uw control opp has beza, big tef and temp lockdown in play>I topdeck pic>he doesn't have a counter>cum bucketsit's also one of my favorite mono black cards in general
>the set wont fail if we print enough pushed cards!
>>96833252>"Nebraska native here..."
>>96833192>pays for itself with a single creature attacking this shit is going to be busted
>>96833192>TQI miss playing Gifts Tron.
>>96833281One day you'll have to realize it's you that lives in a bubble and that the metrics are not magically wrong.
>>96833284I'm not so sure, firebending only lasts until end of combat, where are you going to put mana that can't be used on your second main?
>>96833192insane that there's no captive flame reprint in avatar set
>TQTechnically it is 5 mana
>>96833192Good firebending cards are the only thing I want to see out of Avatar. The rest of the set can fuck off.
>>96833284The mana can basically only be used for instants or activated abilities, you want to have multiple creatures, and it costs 5 to set up. It's shit.
>>96833314Yes yes yes.Every LGS in a 45 minute drive radius from where I live has stopped hosting 60 card magic and many are beginning to not even host limited and prerelease events.All the shelves at every store where MTG is available are absolutely fucking full, from top to bottom, of unsold product.Almost all, literally nearly 100%, of social media activity surrounding the game is explicitly and severely negative, and the only positive social media activity about the game is from WotC itself.But Nebraska is booming. Got it. Yeah, sure. Whatever you say, bud.
>>96833359Sorry you live in a shit place buddy.
>>96833369I'd rather live here than in a place that doesn't exist like Nebraska.
>>96833381I live within range of 3 LGSs that host weekly draft, modern, standard and pauper events, alongside EDH events weekly, and all 3 store have a decent amount of players for all of those formats weekly. Sucks to be you I guess?
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>>96833314Shush.They aren't ready for that conversation yet.
>>96833192>>96833241Maybe you thought: “Well 2025 was mostly shit and 2026 will be even worse but if enough UB garbage crash they will back pedal and 2027 may be good…”ABANDON all hope until 2030 at least.
>>96833212A bit. If you play outside of a non firebending deck it is flavor fail. If you play it in a firebending deck it is flavor win.(if they did "all black and red creatures gain firebending 5" it would have been better)Honestly not the worst "flavor" card in this set.>>96833359>to not even host limited and prerelease events.damn. Yeah I also hate how commander made every lgs shitier.
>>96833416>Maybe you thought: “Well 2025 was mostly shit and 2026 will be even worse but if enough UB garbage crash they will back pedal and 2027 may be good…”We already know UB sets have 4-5 year dev cycles and even longer to negotiate licenses. Even if every UB set tanks from now on, we're still fucking stuck with it for half a decade. Shit's GRIM.
>>96833426>Yeah I also hate how commander made every lgs shitier.Would you believe me if I told you that I've seen more people stop playing MTG because the commander players in the store are too noisy rather than due to dissatisfaction with the state of the game? Because I genuinely know more people who stopped attending events because of the noise.
>>96833357Turning any instant X damage spell into a finisher is not shit under any conceivable metric 15 mana from three swinging 1/1s is insane
>>96833435Marvel would have to be a huge flop to get them to consider changing course, that's the only thing I think would be enough. TLA is going to be a hit and TMNT is going to flop, but I'm sure they already expect that one to flop, but I feel like Marvel has to do well. It would have to be a huge flop too, if it merely underperforms and then Hobbit sells gangbusters anyway they would just shrug it off.
>>96833447What deck is running x damage spells plus a situational ritual plus a bunch of token generators?
>>96833462The one that will exist once that card hits
>>96833192It's a cute combo
>>96833252>Universes Beyond is actually what convinced them to start playing.You are the pink haired slut introduced in panel 3.
>>96833491so that's why they gave it flash
>>96833494I've been playing since Time Spiral. I've tried introducing my friends to Magic a few times, and they simply weren't interested in the game. They tried it out because of Final Fantasy, liked it, and wished they would've listened to me earlier, because they like the older stuff they've gone back and looked at, but not any of the other new stuff.
>>96833552>I've been playing since Time Spiral.And you're behaving like someone that started playing with Spiderman.
>>96833553fpbp
>>96833550They gave it flash because firebending is on attack and they needed things to work with the firenation.
>>96833553I don't follow.
>>96833491>>96833192Three creatures swinging gives you 15 mana, letting you pump it to 12 counters, so you deal 36 extra combat damage
>>9683335960 card magic is on life support. Commander is doing gangbusters
>>96833252Your friends are sloppers.
>>96833552>I've tried introducing my friends to Magic a few times,Why?If they said no once, they aren't interested. Stop being a little tinpot tyrant, people don't have to like literally everything you like.Play Magic with people who enjoy Magic instead of trying to get people who like Spiderman into the game.
>Grand Prix comes back>As an EDH tournament
>>96833555I'm really curious: what do you think "fpbp" means?
>They didn’t like the game until the game become a whore an introduced something that isn’t the gameWhy people do this to themselves is beyond me.
>>96833192I hope we get a worldfire reprint
>>96833594firty-fifth post best post
>>96833315This is in red. All that mana is going into combat tricks, instant speed card exile draw, and burn spells. Because RDW wasn't fast enough for the ADHD mousefags.
Oh finally, they did a figure of Yawgmoth!>It's a Funko PopLife is cruel.
>>96833192
>>96833594From all of the posts, this was was the first to deliver top notch quality, and achieve the title of the best.
So when playing leagues on MTGOif you go 4-1 or better it's best value to open your 5 treasure chests because you are almost guaranteed to get 100PP plus any cards you pull in return?and if you 3-2 it's better value to sell the single treasure chest?
>>96833137>It's not a token though. The rhystic study can be destroyed, brought back, bounced to hand, etc.Really?why not just have it as a token?
>>96833913Can a card be a token?
>>96833491Is this or Ojer Axonil a better damage booster?
>>96833967Ojer.Anything that is also a body is always superior to something that requires bodies.
>>96833900I tend to do the opposite, the lone chest from a 3-2 can turn into a huge dopamine hit if you land on something expensive and if you don't, well it was a 3-2 anyway so just be happy you got your play points backopening 5 treasure chests from a 4-1 and getting dogshit rares feels like a punch in the stomach, I'd rather just sell the chests and get the guaranteed TIXI'm not really approaching this from a value perspective though, I just don't want to feel bad because if I do, I just stop playing leagues altogether
>>96833952>Can a card be a token?Well, you can stuff like this:https://scryfall.com/card/blc/10/murmuration
>>96834219That's not even remotely comparable.
My beloved wife
>>96833913Because the designer decided it shouldn't be, idk. It's a digital card, they tend to prefer to "conjure" actual cards instead of making tokens.
why you still play this game?
>>96834494it's fun
>>96834504>ModernIf you say so…
>>96833967Fated boosts, while Ojer replaces. At 4 mana, both will make a Lightning Bolt deal 4, but Ojer can pump Grapeshot and Shock up to 4, while Fated will only bump them up by one. However, the more mana you have, the more Fated does. It's a late game play in current monored, but with firebending and proliferate it can take off. Especially when you consider that it's all damage you deal, not just to opponents. In a vaccuum I think I'd rather Fated or Torborn over Ojer, just because those are both boosting all my damage, not just the burn spells to the face.
>>96834504What's the blood moon/magus ratio?
>>96834509I could be doing something similar in legacy but most modern decks aren't ready for turn 2 belcher or stormscale scion>>968345610x magus, I'm not trying to lock opponents out for the rest of the game, I just want to disrupt them enough so I can do my thing, running magus makes the deck weaker to creature removal when it doesn't have to be
>>96833192>TQFor me, it's Living Death.
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>>96834635wotc is kill geg
>>96834333>That's not even remotely comparable.why not?>>96834482>Because the designer decided it shouldn't be, idk. It's a digital card, they tend to prefer to "conjure" actual cards instead of making tokens.if they just made tokens they could bring it to paper. i wonder why they didnt
>>96834504whats this combo?
>>96834721Because it just creates creature tokens?
>>96834739you can make enchantment tokens.
>>96834735goblin charbelcher lets you dome your opponent for lethal damage if you don't reveal any lands from your deck, you play a bunch of MDFC lands (cards that are only lands on their backside) and then you just ritual out belcher fast as possiblestormscale scion is an alternative wincon because you can win the game with a low storm count compared to grapeshot or empty the warrens
>>96834674I meant on this board.
>purist lose>and based on data look like purist actually are the minority>wizard successfully replace their consumer base without going minus
>>96834876>>purist loseesl detected.
>>96834764But this is not how the Alchemy card works. It creates a card out of the thin air into your hand.
>>96833192Any other ATLA spoilers?
>>96834980No.
>>96834876You wish. Appealing to the lowest common denominator can work in the short term. Mark should be mapping his professional future because this game will not last until 2030.
>>96833359>60 card magicwell there's your problem
>>96834504DFCs are a joke and everyone at wizards of the coast should be in prison
>>96834876eat your slop piggy
>>96833192>TQ
>>96834772>stormscale scionso basically you use those cards like strike it rich and manamorphose to increase storm count
I'm having promos printed as (participation) prizes for a Premodern event in my city next month. What do you think? Yes, I know I need to tweak some cropping, the text and the first Diamond's set symbol.
>>96835366does wotc allow you to do that?Aside from Dan Frazier's mox diamond, which of these arts are official? I know the frank fr
>>96835381forgot to type out the rest of my post:I know the frank frazetta and zdzislaw beksinski cards are unofficial
New TQWhat is the minimum CMC you feel is fair for an effect that basically reads "If this resolves you're going to win bar some really lopsided matches"
>>96835381The art on City and Cradle are both from EW paintings, and Frazier's diamond is also from an unofficial EW painting that was donated by him - along with an original Sapphire - for this year's EW NA because Wizards refuse to support paintings anymore, going so far as to even deny Card Titan's request to commission originals out of their own pocket. I could only find pic related and a dark blurry picture taken by Tom Basketball, who won the painting, so I upscaled and edited a photo of a printed playmat for the version you see in my card. Comparing the two now I wonder if I should tone down the blue.The Giancola diamond I believe is from the LotR TCG and depicts the Arkenstone. I tried to find original art for the Cradle but struggled to do so, and I liked the City art from the beginning.
>>96833566Totally a pink MTG player take.
>>96835381Sorry, I forgot to reply to the first part of your post. It's not something that Wizards would permit, but then again we don't need Wizards permission to do anything; the event is run as proxy friendly at a non WPN store, and at request of the TO I aimed to keep the promos in line with the feel of the original art for each card, but make them obviously proxies. I get a guy in China to print them for about 10 cents each and the backs are plain white too, so there's no confusion.Pic related is Frazier presenting the MWI player that won Vintage with his painting.
>>96835234it's so fucking over lmao
>>96835234satire
>>96835559It reinforces my preconceived notions, so I choose to take it completely seriously.
>>96835133Go back to the EDH thread then
ATLA looks like a good set, but I don't want it to be good due to the consequences the metrics will have
>>96834625I would say Sam Raimi should be pissed but then I remember we had an evil dead lair for some reason
>>96835589I'm indifferent about it. It has shrines which are cool and will be fun in draft, but bending will only ever show up in this set so any cards with that effect will have to be busted on their own to see play. The extra cost of it being a UB set is keeping me from wanting to draft it.
>you must become a white ally to redeem yourselfwtf why would WotC print something so racist?
>>96835366>>96835381>>96835486Oh I guess I was wrong about the mox diamond art in your post.Well, to be fair, he also drew the original mox diamond.https://scryfall.com/card/sth/138/mox-diamond
>>96835502>Sorry, I forgot to reply to the first part of your post. It's not something that Wizards would permit, but then again we don't need Wizards permission to do anything; the event is run as proxy friendly at a non WPN store, and at request of the TO I aimed to keep the promos in line with the feel of the original art for each card, but make them obviously proxies. I get a guy in China to print them for about 10 cents each and the backs are plain white too, so there's no confusion.I think WotC also does oversized reserved list cards as tournament prizes.But, as long as everyone knows its a custom art proxy, and not an official wotc tournament prize, i dont see an issue with that. in general, im fine with proxies as long as they are readable. i dont expect someone to shell out over 9000 dollars because they wanted to try out vintage for fun once.
>>96833494https://youtu.be/y_k70YpCGRk?si=OVHvmgHEvUbVhsTU&t=163this video pretty much confirms it>3 minutes in>guys complain about UB slop>first woman goes full soi this is who wisardo-san panders to
>>96832475>https://tagger.scryfall.com/tags/card/paper-compatibleIf they just changed the seek to search, this would be totally paper compatible:https://scryfall.com/card/ytdm/18/audacious-knucklebladeThere's already a bunch of other cards that self-tutor.https://tagger.scryfall.com/tags/card/tutor-self
>>96836124>If they just changed the seek to search, this would be totally paper compatible:>https://scryfall.com/card/ytdm/18/audacious-knuckleblade>There's already a bunch of other cards that self-tutor.>https://tagger.scryfall.com/tags/card/tutor-selfi forgot the pic.
>>96833315Enters
>>96835622For some reason they forgot that lessons are supposed to be less mana efficient than cards designed for the maindeck, so learn decks are going to get much stronger options for their lessonboards, along with a bunch of maindeck payoffs for playing lessons.>Earthbending Lesson - more or less better Elemental Summoning but green>Dai Li Indoctrination - cheapest lesson that puts a body on the field, and alternatively it can thoughtseize >Aang's Journey - copies 5-8 of Enviromental Sciences, unless you're making some jank with both learn and shrines in which case it's strictly better>Waterbending Lesson - big draw>Water Whip - medium draw, also bounces, probably only good in Affinity though>Abandon Attachments - small draw, might obsolete Enviromental Sciences>It'll Quench Ya, Sokka's Haiku, Redirect Lightning - I sacrifice my Eyetwitch to pull a counterspell out of my ass>Azula Always Lies - emergency monkey obliterator>Ozai's Cruelty - Mind Rot found dead in Miami
>>96836127search shuffles, seek doesn't shuffle, therefore this isn't possible in paper.
>>96836165i specified if they changed seek to search.seek also gets stuff at random, but this can only look a specific card:https://mtg.wiki/page/seek
Is this a good card?
>>96836231Yes, and shuffling vs not shuffling means that seek has a slightly different affect on the game than searching. If the top card of your deck is revealed, seeking won't change the top card of your deck.
>>96836056most old japs who fell in love with the game in the past either exclusively play old/middle school now or have move to F&Bthe average one you see playing now never knew the sapphire dreamt. knower
>>96836546
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>>96836161The learn cards didn't really see constructed play with Divide by Zero only getting banned because of Lier. The original lessons weren't really worth sacrificing your sideboard space except on Arena.
>>96836238It's okay basically it draws 2 nonlands which you can return to redraw. Stock is better since you have more freedom to choose what you want.
>>96836546The fucking end. Anyone justifying this suit is a fucking retard.
>>96836546the meme reality is now reality, let it sink.
>>96836546WHO the fuck even likes TMNT? Isn't this franchise dead for decades at this point?
>>96836878The IP doesn't matter. Paramount got something going on with WotC and they are milking every Paramount IP possible regardless of relevance.
>>96836878No one. The only people who truly give a shit about turtles are a handful of incredibly autistic people who probably also collect tmnt lunchboxes and weird shit like that.
>>96836878TMNT was 100% part of a package deal wizards had to make to get the two series they actually wanted sets for- Avatar (beloved, flavorfully fits) and Star Trek (legacy cred and collector chases). Companies do package deals like that all the time- remember when 4kids wanted Shaman King and Toei bundled it with One Piece, an anime 4kids were not capable of faithfully adapting? Same issue.
>>96836546Which one will bomb harder?
>>96836948Hey, it's your boy Maro here, just chiming in to tell you that none of the set are bombing! Haha!
>>9683698310 / 10 image.
The shills keep baking fucking SHIT OPs that have nothing to do with what's being discussed in the threads.
Why did you mentally ill incels not buy peter porker and bagel and schmaltz?It was because of the influencers was it? Come on, you can tell me, we're all friends here, if you have nothing to hide you've got nothing to fear.
>>96837103But I did buy it because it was a fun set. I love marvel and Spiderman so it was a day one purchase for me. Im glad that magic is branching out and trying new things it really spices up the game and makes it more fun than seeing phyrexians and generic fantasy art for the millionth time.
>>96837009*nicol bolas points his talon agsinst favored hoplite*NIGGER!*favored hoplite is exiled from this world*
>>96836546Hell yeah! Can't wait. Not sure why people here get upset about an American game having American cultural references. But yet those same people dont care about games like Yugioh making reference to anime and Asian culture.
Ok Avatar the last airbenders, riddle me this.Blue = waterbendingGreen = earthbending.Red = firebendingWhite = airbendingBlack = ????
>>96837130Fentanylbending.Welfarebending.Whitetitsbending.Singlemomsbending. (Over the table)
>>96837117>>96837128Yeah man!!! I love America, New York and real world stuff and capeshit in my fantasy game! Fuck Phyrexians! Fuck Angels and Dragons!!! Fuck Gods! And Fuck Planeswalkers!! Give me Pizza! Give me Hot Dog Carts!! And Give me Super heroes, Turtles and Spiders!!!
>>96837130I think they're just slapping black onto the fire people because war and relentless conquest or something.
>>96837130Black = non-benderIts the only sensible answer since they need representation too
>>96837154>fuck dragonsHELL YEAH XISTER!
>>96837154this but unironically. make pizza lands every set with new toppings.
>>96836161>Mind Rot found dead in MiamiIt was already ground beef from day 1, Hymn to Tourach already existed.
>>96836948There's just something about this picture that drains every last bit of excitement I could have had. I can't quite put my finger on why it is, but this is just so extremely unnapealing to me.
>>96837243Because it's not Magic and you know it on instinct, it's like the uncanny valley, your brain is trying to make it into a movie poster or comic book cover instead of a Magic the Gathering set.>What movie is this from?>Is this about the new Dr Doom man movie guy Marvel IP Marvel man?>Marvel marvel man marvel marvel marvelnice fantasy trading card game we have here
>>96836948I hope for some nice Through the Omenpaths OM2 art.
>>96837265It goes further than that, it's that modern Marvel style (or lack thereof) of just placing characters on a screen with no rhyme or reason, they're just in their own little spots doing their own little pose just to run through a checklist of characters being featured. Look at that fucking nonsense going on in that picture, everyone just looks like a png plastered onto the background.
>>96837130They're not lining them up that strictly. Firebending's red/black it seems, Waterbend is white/blue, Airbend seems to just be in white and admittedly Earthbending's in green/black.
>>96837265Imagine being so brainrotted by the MCU you look at Marvel and only think of movies.
>>96837280Note this is without seeing the whole set but I can't imagine Airbend being in any other colours, it's a very white effect.
>>96837278You have to have everything you paid for in all frames at all times because that's how you make the most out of your investments on a second to second basis, like how movie posters are just piles of faces stacked on top of each other. >>96837283UB is currently, like it has been since it's inception, a tie in for currently produced media to act as advertising. The hard push towards marvel as the cornerstone of magic the gathering during this latest MCU stage era whatever the fuck is obviously on purpose and 100% to get everyone in the same slop cauldron
>>96837283I hate to tell you this but most people engage with marvel properties through movies/shows and have never in their life touched a comic book.
>masked up>off meta>bald>sitting next to fat guy>he/him>raped in round 1>baldbrutal to watch someone be zoomermogged like this. emblematic of the whole hobby
>>96837283>Noooooooooo Movies/Shows no bro!!>Consider… Comic books!!Spoiler: Equally shit. There is not a single Marvel modern garbage that can be saved or be labeled as “good”
>>96837460By Odin's fade, you buggin
>>96837460>>96837467Obligatory.
>>96833314What metrics??Your post would be really convincing if the people in this thread had actually *seen* the metrics. Do you work at WotC? Can we see the metrics?
>>96836878>WHO the fuck even likes TMNT?
>>96836878I liked tmnt when I was 12.
>>96833967creature removal is more common than enchantment removal, ideally you're winning the turn you play Fated Firepower by flashing it in so from that perspective I think it's more reliable.Ojer is a 4/4 for 4 creature that has trample and can swing in himself which makes it better as something to drop outside of a combo. But Sozin's Comet being only 3 mana with Foretell and giving RETARDED amounts of mana with even a few creatures makes me think Flash combos with FF are gonna find a way to break the game since 15 mana for 3 1/1s is stupid.Firebending isn't even "when you deal combat damage/when an attacker isn't blocked, get 5 mana" it's when you ATTACK, so you need to remove everything in your opponent's main phase to stop it going off
qrd on Nebraska?
>>96837706does anyone in this format actually run narrow removal? all of my removal packages hit at least two card typesmonocolored chads don't respond to this post, i already know your answer
>>96837671as innocent as guys like this look, they're actually full of more hate and murderous rage than every one of us 4chan chuds combined. be extremely wary of these guys. they will pull the lever on your gas chamber without a second thought, and will snarkily yell "let people enjoy things" over your screams
>>96837723Nobody lives there, so when WotC makes the rhetorical argument that "maybe Nebraska had a big boom, therefore the preponderance of testimony that Magic is in a bad place is anecdotal and statistically irrelevant", nobody can refute them firsthand.
>>96837745maybe you're correct in general but dev comes across as a pretty relaxed guy idk
>>96833455Why do you think TLA will be a hit?
>>96837804not that guy but avatar is fantasy adjacent and the GP doesn't have fatigue with it like they do marvel
>>96837804It's a beloved franchise that has an active following and is not perceived as bloated in the same way something like Marvel is at this point. In short, the popular perception is that stuff like Marvel/Spider-Man/TMNT is old, busted and lame while stuff like Final Fantasy and Avatar are "cool".On the card side of things it's also clear it's at least a higher effort set than SPM.
>>96837467>>96837582>Posts a comic that literally nobody liked
>>96836546The Beadle & Grimm's stuff has looked like dogshit for a while. EOE's were also kinda crap.
>>96836884>Paramount IPPaw Patrol UB when?
>>96837758That's the way jews speak.
>>96837912you laugh now...
EVERYTHING CHANGED WHEN THE UB NATION ATTACKED
Only Maro, master of all colors, could stop them...
...but when the world needed him most, he betrayed it
you all trusted maro, you thought he was a “man of the people”, an empathetic directive that had playerbase as first and foremost part of this game… yet here we are >>96836546
>>96837128I'm actually kind of happy about this one. As hard as it is to get a game going, stuff like MtG Clue and Planechase are nice formats for UB.
>>96837467>hasbro buys chess>both players are now BlackFLOURISHING
>>96837128Asian references are fine since they are unique, quality cultures worth preserving. American culture is common slop and is the reason why we're here in a clown world.
>>96838307We need more Native American influence, Ixalan was cool
>>96838319Agreed. More Ixalan, less amerimutts pushing black aragorn and interacial romance
>>96838189I support maro's mercy killing of the game. Pack it in.
>>96837745Wisest post I've ever seen since 2008, I wish I could buy you a beer or tea or a coffee.Be fucking wary of the empathy crowd because all they wait for is for you to relax just a moment to slice your throat while calling you paranoid as with your last breath you say "I knew it".This is why they are always simps, so they can justify their aggressions towards others with a facade of morality (they believe in and have none), they are basically the droogs from clockwork orange, they wanted to beat up people so they decided to become policemen so now they can beat up people with total impunity, you not being allowed to fight back and they also get called heroes.Be fucking wary of the he/him crowd.
>>96838319Ixalan is retarded, but in a good way. Mixing Aztecs and dinosaurs and pirates and catholic vampires is definitely a type of kitchen sink random bullshit thrown together, but there’s enough heart and eagerness to go along with it to make the setting appreciated.
Where should i buy singles that aren't at my LGS. TCGplayer and cardkingdom have terrible reviews
>>96838442Never forget that xhey tried super hard to make people understand that the vampires were le ebil incel colonizers and people instead went "well now shit, those vampires are the only thing that doesn't FUCKING SUCK about this dogshit set, I'll guess I'll like them they are bretty cool" and wizards went NOOOOOO REEEEEEEEEE YOU GODDAMN INCELS REEEEEEE YOU HAVE NO MEDIA LITERACY WAAAAAH HAVING A WHITE PENIS IS A MENTAL ILLNESS WHY WON'T YOU UNDERSTAAAANDDDDD?????!??!?
>>96838442It's not at all kitchen sink bullshit, it's just fantasy-ing a preexisting historical period. Pirates, catholic conquistadors and aztecs all existed together in the same space, they were all just individually made fantasy-esque in an appropriate way.
>>96838461This literally did not happen. They in fact went out of their way to say "akshually the vampires can be good guys, they're just misleaded by evil leaders, but vampire Jesus is fixing it!!!"Hell, they literally laid the blame for vampirism at the feet of Not!Camatotz.
>>96838467No you're not gonna gaslight me, bitch.
>>96838473This is literally what happened in the story. The evil vampires are all pagan worshippers, the good vampires are catholics.
>>96837154Find a new hobby old man. Maybe you can build model ships in bottles or build model trains or something. This is not your game anymore, this is our game.
>>96838500oink oink, mr. piggles
>>96838442How is it kitchen sink when all of those existed in the same time period? Except the dinosaurs, obviously. I guess you could argue the pirates would've been a different style than what the cards have, but that's not what you were saying.
>>96838511Whine whine, Mr boomer>>96838307>nooo!!! How dare an american company of an american card game reference american culture!!!Go back to Yugioh anytime weeabo. Pic related and entire set about the American old west.
>>96837723Basically people finding harder and harder to believe that format that aren't commander are doing well despite wizard telling that everything is fine and FLOURISHING!
>>96838534You may know something I don't if you're saying that vampires do indeed exist.
>>96838541>american cultureamerican culture is miscegenation and being a space criminal
>>96838546>have lost faith>answering in good faithDude's 10 years late.
>>96838555You got what I meant, the people were all there, the dinosaurs and vampires and merfolk weren't.
>>96838541The whole problem with OTJ is that it wasn't actually American Old West, it was just people from other planes cosplaying. It wasn't even a Western set.
>>96838568Yeah sorry I was just pulling your leg.
>>96838557Feel free to play a different game anytime. Oh wait you cant because they all suck. Keep submitting to american cultural victory pleb.
>>96838442>Ixalan is retarded, but in a good wayYeah it did a great job of appealing to the inner Timmy of the playerbase. Giant fucking dinosaurs versus vampire conquistadors and pirates is hard to dislike, out of that list most people will find SOMETHING cool. I especially like the take on a Black/White society that, instead of being like Orzhov where it's an exploitative and greedy financial bureaucracy selling the afterlife, that it's instead applying an extreme version of Noblesse Oblige where you don't just have a duty to defend the weak and innocent, but the weak and innocent are your FOOD and so the vampire nobility lead from the front with humans being squires or servants supporting them because they're too valuable to throw away like cannon fodder.
>>96838578>Americans are buzzword buzzword buzzword buzzword buzzword buzzword buzzword buzzword buzzword buzzword keep seething lol
>>96838582KARA BOGA AMERIKWAHAIL SAURON!
>>96838578space crime is basedfuck the federation
I am actually wondering why they didn't make Spiderman commander decks. These seem like a natural way to make heaps of money. Commanderbabs are the exact people who would like it.
>>96838605Because they got greedy and insisted on turning this shit into a full set. If spooderman was just a set of four or five commander decks there would be SO much less of a negative reaction to it, it would also save them from needing to make so many garbage cards as filler since they could just do reprints with new art like the 40k and final fantasy commander decks.This shit never should have been within a hundred miles of standard or modern
>>96838605that truly is the question. the only theory going is that they thought that by forcibly upscaling it into a standard set, they would make even larger heaps of money, irrespective of quality. at the very least it gave them ability to put that gay ass serialized Infinity Stone in a Collector's Box for whales to chase.
>>96838605They got this idea in their heads that commander precon cards not being standard legal is holding new players back from entering 60c formats so they went with something that's currently making nobody happy. They saw 40k and even fucking Dr. Who commander precons sell like hotcakes and thought you know what we should do? Instead of doing these we should just make garbage sets that nobody wants like ACR and SPM.The funniest part is that you just end up not even pleasing the EDH players anyway, because you're making cards that are clearly tuned around being playable in limited and standard and aren't exciting enough to "build around" or fuel niche strategies in EDH since they're not cards built with synergy scaling in mind like commander exclusive cards usually are.
>>96838624>they would make even larger heaps of moneyIt's more that they saw how the assassin creed set flopped so they turned Spider-Man into a standard set in hope it wouldn't flop as hard. It's similar to what they did with unfinity, they know unset don't sell as much as other set so they came up with constructed legal uncard to force people who wouldn't usually buy it to buy it since it had cards they could use in their format.
>>96836780it also removes limit on your handsize on a cheap card which is intersting.
>>96838597But I still have my foreskin...
>>96838665which is weird since even if precons had all standard legal cards, it's still a Singleton format; so you'd need to get another 2-3 copies of all the cards you are using in your 60 card deck anyways.....It's just fucking backwards. Instead of making a bunch of Spiderman commander decks including some cards with new art that are standard legal, they made an entire standard set of garbage and didn't even bother making official precons? If I was WOTC I would do literally the exact fucking opposite lmao, I would have focused entirely on marketing like five or six Spider-Man precons with a mix of new cards and new-art reprints, especially since Spider-Man has been around so long that nobody likes everything the character has been in. Make a classic spectacular Spider-Man precon, a Venom/Symbiote/Knull precon, a Spiderverse crossoverslop deck with fucking spider-pig and spider-noir, a Villain deck with green goblin and mysterio, then get all the anime artists to do a Japanese Spider-Man deck that's a voltron commander deck that literally wins by smashing his spider-mech into the opponent's face. They did this well with the FF decks splitting them by game, not everyone cares about the MMO so there's a dedicated 14 deck, an FFX deck, an FF7 deck, and an FF6 deck for boomers like me who care more about ogling terra's pits than the fujoshi pandering with emet
>>96838725Oh, Brazilian.
>>96838742They want to sell packs on top of that and I suppose that simply having a Spider-Man bonus sheet like they did with Transformers wasn't enough for them? That's all I can think of.
>only 600 players in the standard spotlight eventis it over?
nigga we flourishing hard
>>96838819Seems to be holding steady.
>>96838819Nebraska stonks?
>>96838819Are those the worst digital players data of the big online TCGs?
>>96838921by far
>>96838818It's actually 60000 according to our in-house estimates, which has broken all of our previous records, including our last record breaking event last week.
>make a system where only good boy vendors have more freedom over their product purchases>to maintain your good boy status, you have to run standard tournaments>stores can just lie and label their commander nights as standard>"actually our data says standard is better than ever, why don't you trust us" :^) It literally takes 1 minute of critical thinking to see the problem here yet wizards dick slurpers will pretend that no possible conflict of interest exists here and will lie to your face because rosewater said something on tumblr
>>96838819Engagement is higher than everTurn out is higher than everSales are higher than everBelieve the data (which we collect internally)
>>96838546>That said, MaRo is as honest as they come and incredibly empathetic.lollmao
>>96838921This one is actually harder to judge because Arena has it's own client outside of steam and we don't know how many people migrated.
>>96838921https://steamcharts.com/app/1449850Here is master duel in comparison
>>96839137NEBRASKA HELP US!!!!!
>>96833192firebending is a weirdly complex mechanic for what should be a beginner set
>>96839137you know it's over when half dead master duel still has twice as many players
>>96833494Oh for real?>>96833252Hey girl you single?
>>96838473That is absolutely what happened. Elenda is genuinely a good person trying to unfuck the mess that is Torrezon, the modern Church, and the heretical offshoot of the Church.
Someone explain why this card was censored on Arena. The artist is still doing new cards for WotC so it's not some contract dispute bs.
>>96839324>censoredThey've been adding unique art from the get go.
>>96839324they decided after the fact the art direction for Khans block was racist. it's not the artists' fault but hasbro wants to rewrite history while giving the appearance of taking anti-racist action. Rakshasha aren't cats anymore and they cancelled the Naga type entirely.
>>96839482What was wrong with nagas? I get the rakshasa thing because internet intellectuals think it is the coolest shit to um actually they aren't cat people but what did the nagas do wrong?
>>96839544Naga was put under Snake just to squish and slam the tribe down.>he consolidation of animal humanoids is so they will work with cards of the same animal, just as Cat covers Cats and Leonin or Elephant covers Elephants and Loxodon. It’s to allow people to typally connect things that thematically go together.
you ready to bully Arena kids out of their gold once they get Vintage Cube next week?
>>96839337https://scryfall.com/search?q=set%3Aktk+year%3D2023&unique=cards&as=grid&order=releasedLook at KTK art on Arena. Every single card that was changed was due to censorship re: Raksasha/Naga or gore or due to the artist being Noah Bradley/Tomasz Jedruszek. I don't get what Murderous Cut did wrong.
>>96839600couldnt pay me to play arena
>>96839544Nagas were made Snakes because people running Snake tribal were annoyed that they didn't count as Snakes when shit like Leonin are still just "Cats" They could have made naga cards be both naga and snakes but that would probably be considered too much; nowadays when "mutant ninja turtle" is an actual fucking type line that seems like less of an issue but Khans was a different era
>>96839600>pay 10k gold to lose to t1 moxen in phantom draftNo thanks
>>96839619good call, I'd take your bankroll if you tried it out.
>>96839601You're overthinking it.
>>96839639That's a censored Rakshasa card, dumbass.
>>96839658But Murderous Cut isn't.
>>96839658>censoredOne of those images depicts an act of treason. The other has an angry tiger.
>>96839658Also look, a Rakshasa. Only the type was removed, anon.
Limited-only Pro Tour will be back after 20 years.Draft kings stay winning.Constructed peasants stay losing.WotC has been finally coming to the realization that draft is the best part of Magic.
>>96839639They changed rakshasas out of terrified political correctness, rakshasas are shapeshifters who can be any animal in myth, the d&d ones are classically tiger headed because that's what the art of them in d&d first was, but WOTC got worried about "cultural appropriation" and sensitivity because they're mostly a brown people and SEA monsters, despite there being literally hundreds of examples of other monsters being different or bastardized in D&D and nobody caring.I.e minotaurs as an entire species instead of literally a single individual guy born from the wife of king minos and an actual fucking bull. D&D minotaurs are not the result of magic bestiality and there's male and female ones, nobody cares because Greeks are Mediterranean and too close to white compared to Indians who are brown
>>96839679This is a five year old card that was never re-released. What is with the resident thread troons pretending not to have basic pattern recognition skills?
>>96839692>*adds 3rd-world mythology*>THIS IS LIBERAL BRAINWASHING!>*removes 3rd-world mythology*>THIS IS LIBERAL CENSORSHIP!
>>96839679>arena-exclusive Rakshasatoo woke
>>96839720>>>*adds 3rd-world mythology*>>THIS IS LIBERAL BRAINWASHING!Literally nobody has ever said this you estrogen-brained retard
>>96839745obsessed
>>96839683I mean draft is one of the formats that consistently brings the most paying costumers out to the LGS on a regular basis. The other format that does that is, of course, EDH.
>>96839831your LGS still fires draft?mine has been modern-only FNM for a long time.
>>96839877Yeah, it's one of the most popular formats and has been for a very long time.
>>96839727Yeah but easiest to change name to be compliant with the supposed guidelines.
>>96839639>What news? Don't you know, nothing ever happens lmao
Between >>96839639 and >>96839679 I'm inclined to think that the "censorship" angle is bullshit.It's shocking and disheartening to realize that people on the internet would lie.
>>96839720>>*removes 3rd-world mythology*>>THIS IS LIBERAL CENSORSHIP!They're still Rakshasas in the art, anon. They just changed them from their classical D&D version to look more like "real" rakshasas which are often depicted as just dudes with sharp teeth and an aggressive depiction. They weren't "removed", they changed their entire appearance to try and be PCIt would be like MTG changing minotaurs to be the result of bestiality to be more "authentic"
>>96839904No. Rakshasa as a type was removed because it was found offensive to three people playing Magic. This is a fact.But the Naga was not so. Naga was just changed to be a Snek for Snek support.The OP somehow conflated the Rakshasha tribe removal with new art of Murderous Cut on Arena. I don't know why and how.
Because Rakshasha are still Rakshasa, even on Arena with new art.There's just no Rakshasa card type no more.
>>96839919>This is a fact.Prove it. Yes anon, making assertions might mean you have to back up those assertions.
>>96839937I'm sorry I've been gaslit by the Murderous Cut anon into snafu.Rakshasa only hat the "cat" type removed. And are only demons.
I had this wall-scroll which was hung on the wall of my living room for the past few years (depicting pic related). I bought it from my local LGS after I attended a pre-release, it was previously hung on the wall of my local LGS. Today I threw that wall-scroll into a dumpster, and I am going to get a different piece of art to hang on my wall instead. Thanks for reading my autistic musings.
>>96839952>partially trueYeah, I figured it was something like that. Don't like them retroactively changing shit for any reason, but it doesn't look like it was due to political correctness.
>>96836767Right, it was an underpowered but unique mechanic that they buffed in the worst way possible.>Learn - search your sideboard for a card, but the cards are "entry-level spells" that are weak enough that the ability can be treated as slightly less powerful than drawing a card, none of them can reliably go + in card advantage or efficiently remove threats which is by design>Acceptable way to buff Learn - make a few new Lessons at the same power level, make more and stronger cards that Learn, maybe a planeswalker that Learns with its +1, tell EDHfags to go fuck themselves with their arbitrarily 0-card sideboards>What they did instead - skip your classes at not-hogwarts to go watch AtlA, then make your classmates cringe to death with not-anime references>What they're going to do in Return to Strixhaven - make pushed cards with Learn, go back to making weak Lessons that nobody is going to use since the AtlA cards exist, ruin the game forever by adding a yu-gi-oh extra deck (again), all decks with control-stealing cards now need to stock up on AtlA lessons for their "omenpath deck" that they might potentially get advantage from, except they don't get rid of it this time since it's UB and corporate wants the set to keep selling. EDH whales also buy them.>The Marvel set features a single Lesson with Professor Xavier on it. TMNT has a learn card with Splinter. The Hobbit has one for Gandalf. They continue to do this whenever they feel like it "for flavor reasons" and all of these cards mysteriously shoot up to $5.
>>96839952>my cat daddy edh deck has lost its demon catmenspeaking as a gay Magic fan I am going to kill myself
>>96835366Premodern = Sovl
Sad news, ATLA is going to do ok numbers
I only want a fun Koh creature. Probably something Lazav-style.Shame on the anon who told me he doesn't really appear anymore except that one time.
>>96840105What game is your screenshot from?
>>96840157Magic the Gathering.
>>96840155They did all the spirits dirty, most of the time they're just used to handwave magic bullshit instead of being actual characters. Not going to even get into LoK.
>>96840106According to?
>>96840106based time traveler anon who only shares info about MtG and not shit like natural disasters or stock markets
>>96840178They're just not a major focus of the story and it was probably for the best. Keeping spirits from showing up too much helps maintain the feeling that they're strange and mystical.
>>96840157looks like shandalar
>>96840157It's from Microprose's MTG game. It's a pain to get it to work on modern computers, but well worth it. It's a game where you run around gathering cards to make a strong deck while all sorts of creatures wander around trying to duel you. The strongest cards are treasures in dungeons and there's various sidequests you can do to get magic items and raise your max life.A great game from a better era.
>>96840226That explanation falls short when you look at how they tried to tack on a bunch of spiritual stuff for the end of S2 and S3. Or how they keep harping on about how the Avatar is supposed to be intermediary between physical and spirit worlds. But no, they had to fix his avatar state in the final fight by getting slammed into a rock.
>>96839324I think they basically wanted Sultai art to be less "Eastern menace" or whatever because a lot of it was "the Sultai are these obviously evil dastardly Asian folk" and that wasn't a great look. It's fine for them to be more evil-leaning but that the entire faction was just "the evil one" kinda didn't read great.
>>96838484Imagine your literal actual Jesus analogue coming back and saying "dude stop" and going "Hmm. No". I kinda respect the audacity.
KPDH is a confirmed Secret Lair by the way.
>>96834504Have fun with MH4>>96835234worst timeline>>96836546Kawacringe>>96837128The art in the box is good but why the other arts all shit and fag?>>96839544The Rakshasa thing was more retarded because they didn't just change the art but removed the cat type from all Rakshasas even the DnD one but meanwhile they didn't change the DnD Rakshasa Design.>>96839917Thanks god you said ""real"" and posted a image of a man using a rakshasa costume that recembles a tigerThat reasoning to change Rakshasas is as retarded as changing dragons to look like middle age european arts or the tarraske to look like a turtle with a lion's head.
i have never seen anyone actually play secret lair cards in person im assuming its all just commander players or scalpers who buy them
>>96840335Well the D&D thing is weird because that's a 'standard' look for D&D Rakshasa, but they are just shapeshifters (they've retconned that in I think) who often appear that way, so it's not STRICTLY correct to call them Cats anymore, though it's still weird.
>>96840319To be fair, the new Sultai are drastically different from the old Sultai:Old Sultai: have been dominant cruel bastards who haven’t seen a dragon in hundreds of years (since the dragons stopped respawning when Ugin died)New Sultai: an intentional culture shift away from the Silumgar Brood who have ruled those people for over a thousand years.None of the dragon broods were particularly good for the people (maybe Dromoka and Ojutai sort of) so when the Temur, Mardu, and Sultai re-emerged from the Artahka, Kologhan, and Silumgar, they leaned more into that enemy color than the color they originally were representing.
>>96840367Sure, but I think they wanted the original Sultai to be, while still the crueler ones in lore, less sinister/shady-looking in literally every piece of art. Given that each faction is loosely based on a real world culture, it isn't a great look if you have one of those factions just be so clearly evil all the time. It's a bit dumb to change so many older art pieces though. Sidisi doesn't even look right at all for example.
>>96840380Oh yeah, no excuse for the KTK Sultai art changes. I’m just giving a reasonable justification for the TDM Sultai to be lame and gay, because they’re embracing flowers and plants after being oppressed by a fat poisonous slug for a millennia.
>>96840380>>96840399That feels like a very silly explanation when we have THE HORDE as one of the other clans.
>>96840405I mean, the Kologhan back to Mardu change was also definitely jarring, considering the Kologhan were honorless, sadistic cannibals who had to give up their nobility to survive chasing that bag. It makes sense that the nu-Mardu would feel very much like the WoW Horde, since it’s the same rough arc.
>>96839917>>96839935I honestly like both styles of depictions of them, the more authentic depiction and the tiger like depiction.
>>96840425Really feels like thy should've given two sets for Tarkir, one to show killing the dragonlords and moving away from the old clans, then a second set for the overall dragonstorm arc and showing what the new clans changed into.
>>96840451To an extent I get this critique but the clear thing that people wanted from a return to Tarkir was the clans coming back. Having another set that's just "Fate Reforged again but this time it's a rebellion" wouldn't have been that interesting.
>>96833192TIME WARP for the name as there is already a Time Walk.>>96837009that single tear streaming from her eye makes it so rapey....
>>96840380Isn't the current Sidisi dead and reanimated by Silumgar?
>>96840430Honestly while I miss the uniqueness of the Rakshasa being typed as Cat Demons and the mechanical/tribal fun with that, I can't really argue with making them more authentic to their source material rather than the limited perspective DnD was working off of in the 70's/80's from, what, an old film from the 50's/60's?Not at all feeling the same way about them abandoning shamans or totem amour. The lame and gay Warcraft can have that and not get bullied by fringe freaks, so Magic should as well. I even got into a discussion with someone about how the use of the shaman class in fantasy helps ground these foreign cultures for white westerners, showing that these supposed 'brown savages' aren't that different from us civilized folk. Ironically, removing them from fantasy's toolkit reinforces the idea that everything that isn't anglocentric is for primitive retards in zoos. REAL progressive there, wotc.
>>96840459Yeah, that's valid. I think they should have made a cycle of tricolors or two-colors that are just their respective Dragonlord's demise, though. Each could be a different cameo mechanic.
>>96840459Yeah but this way we have dragonlords offscreened and a jarring jump to the clans we have now, different from both the DTK clans but also the KTK clans. There needed to be some intermediate step.
>>96840488There's already a lot of cycles in Dragonstorm but yeah that sounds like a possibility. Would be a fun concept if all the Dragonlords get taken out by their respective clan. Phyrexianized Kolaghan being mobbed by his own brood and soldiers during the invasion, Dromoka being struck from all directions by Abzan spirits, the new Sibsig standing together and resisting Dromoka's poisonbreath, the like.
>>96840531Silumgar's poisonbreath*, sorry.
The implication of the Rakshasa change is that Magic had a very large Indian player base that are outraged at the depiction. But where are those people? Nebraska?
>>96840540I don't think it was that, they just thought Rakhasa would be better off with a more mythologically-inspired direction instead of D&D's approach of "we half-remember some movie from the 60s, put that shit in."
>>96840486totem armour is still around, they call it umbra armour now probably because all (or most of?) the cards with the effect had umbra in the name
>>96840553If that was the case it would have just ended with new cards having new depictions.Going back and changing old card arts is far more involved when they never seemed to care about keeping character design consistent anyway.
>>96840540>The implication of the Rakshasa change is that Magic had a very large Indian player base that are outraged at the depiction. But where are those people? Nebraska?>>96840553i dont think most indian plaayers would care that rakshasas looked like tigers. but idk
>>96840285Not gonna defend the Lion Turtle bullshit or deus ex rock to the spine. Massive asspulls. But the spiritual stuff at the end of S2 was all inwardly focused. Chakras and chi. I don't know why you'd get spirits involved there.
>>96840488>>96840531Yeah. Hybrid cards for each dragonlord's death probably would have been sufficient, and any instance where they can't find a reason for the clan to rebel is one where they can just blame phyrexia. Hell, even just making the art for the various removal spells reference it would work>Coordinated Maneuver encircling Dromoka>Riverwalk Technique knocking Ojutai into a lake>Worthy Cost having someone stab Silumgar when getting eaten by him>Overwhelming Surge blasting a compleated metallic Kolaghan>Sarkhan's Resolve hunting down AtarkaPretty easy, doesn't even really require changing names or effects. And each card already has 3-4 lines of flavortext to explain the situation.
>>96840553>D&D's approach of "we half-remember some movie from the 60s, put that shit in."To be fair, that approach is the entire monk class from its inception. They can't exactly stop doing it now without shelving the whole concept, and probably the Barbarian too while they're at it.
What tiny bubble we live in
>>96840540Was this 'very large indian player base' the same guy who ruined the beautiful, thematic, and evocative Kaladesh into the harsh and ugly Avishkar? Because fuck him. Seriously, fuck him. He's made me hate Indians even more than I already do. Not only do they poop everywhere and smell and rape and scam and annoy civilized people, they tear down a positive representation of their culture because one retard is convinced that black = evil.>>96840558I don't care about it still being around, they still changed the name for retarded reasons. I'll concede the 'Tribal' supertype being renamed 'Kindred', but decks focused around a specific creature type are still tribal, fuck off.
>>96840571did the rock hit him where azulas lightning striked his spine?
>>96840588Standard is trash and the fact Modern a huge stinky shit of a format could gather more people than the supposed “casual engagement format” according to WotC speaks very loud and badly about the current state of the format.
>>96840571It could've been a spirit who helped him with those, they threw in the random guru out of nowhere instead. Maybe he learns energybending by studying a spirit just like how people learned other bending by watching spirits/animals.
>clans come back>they're bitchmadeI hate wizards like you would not believe.
>>96840588They said they weren't hitting Vivi until November so there's literally no reason for anyone other than Vivi bagholders to show up to events.
>>96840335>That reasoning to change Rakshasas is as retarded as changing dragons to look like middle age european arts or the tarraske to look like a turtle with a lion's head.agreed, but wotc were in their stupidly politically correct phase when they did this. they also removed all negatives from races in D&D, renamed them to "Species", and did shit like stop using "witch" to avoid offending modern day hippy wiccans lol
>>96840703don't forget humans being a permanent underclass beneath dragons yet this somehow being depicted as the """"good"""" timeline in narrative and people wanting to undo it seen as villainsgreat job demonstrating for everyone why killing all the dragons was actually a great decision bro
>>96839919Rakshasa was never a type in Magic you tourist.
>>96840776Not really- It was portrayed as the good timeline in regards to Ugin surviving, which was ultimately more important than the fate of Tarkir itself. The only character that preferred DTK over what tarkir used to be (and/or what KTK was) was Sarkhan, and he's not exactly a reliable narrator in terms of what's good considering he likes dragons more than people.In fact, I'm pretty sure all five of the Dragonbroods were depicted as culturally (and often physically) worse off than the clans they originated from, with maybe the Ojutai being the least different from the Jeskai just because the 1984 truth was a better deal than being eaten by Artahka, killed by Kolaghan, tortured by Silumgar, or enslaved by Dromoka.
>>96840799there was a type change, it's just they went from Demon Cats to just Demons
>>96840799Well if only you followed the reply chain.
>>96840822>In fact, I'm pretty sure all five of the Dragonbroods were depicted as culturally (and often physically) worse off than the clans they originated from, with maybe the Ojutai being the least different from the Jeskai just because the 1984 truth was a better deal than being eaten by Artahka, killed by Kolaghan, tortured by Silumgar, or enslaved by Dromoka.They were, but that's also why people disliked the change so much. Because it ditched a set of cool factions for a bunch of objectively shitty factions ruled by dragons. But then it's just glossed over with vague reasons as to why it was necessary. The execution of how they brought all the clans back was also poorly done. Though part of the problem there is that they'd realistically need decades since we last saw them for such a cultural upheaval to make any sense.
>>96840909it wasn't really 'glossed over'- it's the core premise of the entire block: The dragons died out on Tarkir because Ugin was no longer supplying the essence to spawn them. Thanks to Sarkhan intervening, his death was replaced by a near death coma, which turned the dragon spawning 'immune response' up a notch until the clans had to submit to the dragons.The fact that Dragon Tarkir was worse than Khan Tarkir was kind of the point- it was narratively traded to resurrect/unkill Ugin.I do agree though that the execution of the return to the clans away from the broods wasn't done well and really did need a revolution set at least in between.
>>96840822The Temur weren't wrong to help Bolas kill Ugin. Dude hasn't successfully done anything that couldn't have been done by others, and he seems to just be the writers' excuse for why Bolas and the Eldrazi will be repeatedly sealed instead of actually killed off.
>>96840967Oh no, yeah, the old temur leader was not in the wrong at all- she was just a pawn in a bigger game.As for Ugin, to be fair not only has Bolas resurrected himself before, but Emrakul willingly chose prison when she realized it wasn't her time to nom on Innistrad yet. Imprisoning such entities is safer and more effective than giving them the chance to lick their wounds and come back.
>>96840966>The fact that Dragon Tarkir was worse than Khan Tarkir was kind of the point- it was narratively traded to resurrect/unkill Ugin.Glossed over might be the wrong word, but I've seen some people try and make lazy excuses about how Tarkir was running out of magic/resources and that it would die out without the dragonstorm being replenished or whatever.All of it still feels like really lazy justification regardless, and still doesn't ultimately justify why Dragons of Tarkir was such a shitty place to live. As if we couldn't just have Ugin alive again without all of the dragons he spawned not being assholes.
>>96841026It was the overactive dragon spawning- it's part of the story that after yasova summons bolas and bolas fatally wounds ugin, Sarkhan hops up with a hedron sleeping bag for the spirit dragon. The restorative coma let his essence affect the plane without his conscious control, so the dragon spawning increased from the stalemate that had developed in fate reforged (likely by Ugin's own design, considering he can likely adjust how much his essence spawns new dragons). That could also be one of the factors that encouraged the revolt from DTK- an awake Ugin dialed back the dragon spawning, and this gave the people the numbers edge to push back and ultimately form a more equal partnership with the dragons rather than fighting or killing one another.The flow of story decisions is pretty simple- they needed a reason why Ugin hadn't interfered or helped for so long, especially with Bolas not liking to share the spotlight of dragon planeswalkers, and the ;Spirit Dragon' title was taken literally to make him a ghost haunting Sarkhan, who went back and adjusted the timeline so that ugin didn't die just hid in a coma for all those years.Tarkir was a doomed plane from the start- the issue is that people REALLY liked the five clans and the names for the wedge colors, and thus the narrative exchange of an entire plane of people's relative wellbeing for a crucial powerful actor also meant players would lose that original state.
