How come Shogi hasn't become more popular in the West when it's quite literally Chess but better without the "just another chess variant" debuff?Two of the most boring aspects of chess are the fixed start and half of the game being a memory puzzle. Shogi's reintroduction of pieces directly fixes later and indirectly lessens the shitness of the former. Fischer Random was a nice attempt, and although it's by far the best Chess variant there is no real need for it when Shogi already exists.
>>96834488>fixes laterfixes the latter*
>>96834488You need to understand that the majority of Chess players are snobbish retards who just want to seem smart. They are emotionally attached to it.
Chess's popularity is not because it is a good game. It comes from the compounding effects of popularity and the culture that's built around the game.There have been countless variations proposed to improve Chess, and none will ever take hold because the people who play Chess are not playing to have fun, they're playing to try and obtain that perceived status of being more intelligent.The only way to fix Chess is to reveal to the world how little intelligence and Chess skill actually correlate, but with the people who are in the best position to reveal that also having the most to lose if this knowledge did become wide-spread, you can expect them to instead continue to pour all their money and resources into promoting Chess as the game for geniuses instead of the game for dweebs.
>>96834523>we must "fix" old thing because it is old!Sorry but no
>>96834670More like>we must improve because of obvious flaw
>>96834523Chess is the dnd of abstract fantasy games with non-identical pieces?
>>96834682Some people think Vermont being 99% White is a flaw, why should people who play chess care about what you see as flaws?
>>96834488> And then we spend the first 20 moves setting up our fortresses.> You're gote and i'm sente. No, white and black is totally inappropriate here.> The pieces are actually easy to tell apart after your first 100 games.> Please no westernizing the pieces, its an insult to Nihon.Gee I wonder why this never caught on.
>>96834488>Two of the most boring aspects of chess are the fixed start and half of the game being a memory puzzle.[citation needed]
>>96834488seething about "memory puzzles" is the most braindead shit imaginable, literally every competitive game requires the same type of technical mastery that chess does if you want to actually be good at them
>>96834488An attempt was made.It was called Navia Drapt.Players bought starter sets then could buy booster boxes to expand their armies. Each unit was unique, moved in different ways, had special abilities, and could perform a "drapt" action which caused it to move differently or activated another ability.There was an anime in the works (teaser trailer's on youtube)It died fuggen quick. Turns out the only thing worse than Chess is Shogi, and the only thing worse than Shogi is when you make it collectable.
>>96834488Bughouse > Crazyhouse > Chess960 > Shogi > Chess
>>96835429This is just worse Onitama
>>96834488Here's a real answer. Things like Chess960 were invented to solve a preparation problem that only effects a tiny portion of the chess playing population. Your average chess player with sub 1800 ELO isn't affected by the crisis of memorization or preparation. Your average Joe Shmo 1300 ELO chesslet doesn't play at a high enough level to encounter chess' problems, and most likely never will. But this is the guy you need to convince to pick up shogi. Shogi on the otherhand has all sorts of problems, the first and foremost being the fact that all the pieces are in moon runes. The second being the complete lack of community or learning resources. The community that does exist around Shogi is also adamantly against westernization of the game, even though its westerners they're trying to get to play the game. They unironically want you to learn kanji and Japanese phrases for ideas that already have English language equivalents.
>>96834523I feel like chess does take some amount of actual wit, but that the primary skill needed to be good at chess is memorization. No amount of playing and practicing chess will amount to the amount of knowledge and progress you acquire by studying and memorizing openings, board positions, etc.
>>96834488Because it's almost impossible to draw in shogi, it's either win or lose.
>>96834488Mostly due to the fact people don't learn how to play shogi and the idea that "Chess" is a nobleman/intelligential game. In Japan that's Shogi and Go. however Western nations that tends to be just chess sometimes Poker/Blackjack.
>>96835615Memorization really only matters for the top 1% of chess players because those fractions of a pawn that is fought over in the opening matters. The tiniest edge can be nursed for the rest of the game. But for the other 99% of players memorization is a waste of time. That +0.5 advantage gained in the opening will be lost, the game increases in difficulty as pieces get traded off. The endgame is the most difficult phase of the game, that is where true chess skill lies and that can't be memorized, it's always different. Many games have completely equal positions 50 moves in, but one player is able to outplay the other and win. It is the difficulty in endgames that makes chess great. For 99% of players being slightly better or worse after the opening is meaningless. If a player plays nonsense openings like the bongcloud or whatever BS he makes up, it only costs him 200 elo of strength.
>>96835615IIRC a fair amount of research has been done on correlation between chess and intelligence (as measured by intelligence tests, which of course may not and probably don´t measure every aspect of intelligence), with said research pretty consistently showing that there´s IQ correlates with chess performance for beginners but not for experienced players. For experienced players, the amount of practice is the best predictor of performance. I´m not going to bother to look any of this up to see if I remember it right, though, so take this with a grain of salt.
>>96834488>half of the game being a memory puzzlethis instantly outs you as a retard that knows nothing about chess, just because the top 0.000000001% of players complain about heavy memorization doesn't mean it's an issue for anyone else
>>96835568It's really no different from learning what icons/symbols mean in other games, or what the community terminology is in any given game. Cope.
>>96837301>copePeople don't care about shogi.
>>96836584>smarter people are better at simple gamesshocker
