For discussion of D&D 3.0 and 3.5e> Toolshttps://srd.dndtools.orghttps://dndtools.one/https://d20srd.orghttps://www.realmshelps.net/> Indices> 3.5https://archive.burne99.com/archive/4/http://web.archive.org/web/20080617022745/http://www.crystalkeep.com/d20/index.php> 3.0http://web.archive.org/web/20060330114049/http://www.crystalkeep.com:80/d20/rules3.0.php> Book PDFshttps://mega.nz/folder/GMMUDLCK#1IXzJk1_yxlgNmPABGjcyw> Dragon Magazine Indexhttps://www.aeolia.net/dragondex/> Web Articles Orbital Flower Index PDFhttps://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/91811106/#91824954> Erratahttps://web.archive.org/web/20201111205827/http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/errata>3e Resource Index Version 2024-04-17https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/92491374/#92530275Previous thread: >>96692238Thread Question: Should a dungeon lean more towards a test of the players' skill and cleverness, or of the characters' build and equipment?
The fact that there are a lot of books kills me.How many are essential
>>96842497With just the Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master's Guide, and Monster Manual you'll have the scaffolding to do whatever else you want. There's more spells, more items, more classes, more monsters, more more more from there, but it's all intensely modular and customizable.
>>96842457>Should a dungeon lean more towards a test of the players' skill and cleverness, or of the characters' build and equipment?Personally I prefer to build stuff in a way that it makes sense in world logic. So a tomb dungeon would have traps and undead guardians with great need for a decent combat and exploration build on the character side to stay alive. On the other hand a former wizard research site would have almost no intentional traps, except on the clearly defined borders - external ring and inner sanctum - but would have a lot of crap that is hard to determine what it does even with skills and magic thrown into the mix, since the objects are unique and sometimes they are failed projects that do not work as intended meaning you need to spend time on finding out if they have any useful applications.
>>96842511This guy gets it.I personally really like the Complete books (and recently the Tome of Battle). It's great having options and ways to spice things up to make your character a little more interesting.
>>96842497You can obviously start with the basic 3 and keep adding things slowly. None of the others are truly necessary, Maybe a couple of the other Monster manuals as well.I think you can stop at the completes plus+phb 2 and you will have a very good stopping point.Most of the secondary base classes included, Most of the usual prestige classes included, skill tricks. some more spells, items etc
>>96842497don't let that deter you, the 3 core books are more than enough to play for a lifetime as along as you use your imagination. Other stuff are useful, a little or a lot with some being superfluous, its quite the mix. And very bad material, adventures or settings or other books that suck, can become pretty useful as you attempt to create something good out of the, its like manure. Good fertilizer, but just crap if you let it as it is.
>>96842497Player's Handbook, DM Guide, Monster Manual.It's all you need to play and arguably the most broken bullshit in the whole catalog according to some.Honestly though, D&D 3e is pretty balanced if you follow one simple rule. You can't have long rests in a dungeon.
>>96842497As everybody else said, 3.Think of the other books as future content you can wade through way later.If you are starting today, you can play this system for the next decade+ easily using just the official content.>>96843551Our DM does resource attrition really well. I can't think of an adventuring day where, by the end, the spellcasters weren't either nearly, or fully out of spells, or just party resources in general.Usually, by the half or the 2/3 mark is when we really begin feeling the pressure now that I think about it.Granted, my group average skill level when it comes to actually playing the game is not very high, in that we don't really do meticulous planning or tactics, use consumables like scrolls and rods much, etc, so we are less efficient than we otherwise could, in general.
might be the wrong thread to ask, but how would you make Giff more alien besides being 'hippos furries who are genetically inclined to be stuffy british colonialists'
>>96843739They are plenty alien already. You just need to put attention on it. Giff are basically Modrons writ small with their love and need for clear hierarchy and laws. Only they are Modrons that forgot or lost their purpose and spread over the worlds seeking a new one or just trying to make ends meet. The scariest thing would be Giff finding that Purpose and starting to pursue it with everything they have got.
Treating missed spells as miscasts with backlash? Yay or nay?
>>96844373When a fighter misses the sword doesn't hit them in the foot. Most of the spells that cause problems can't miss anyways.
>>968424571)read 2e thoughts of darkness ravenloft adventure as i wanted to do a high level adventure for one-shot for old friends and was in the mood for converting to 3.52)adventure is impossible for 12th to 15h level characters, 2e or 3.5 (has Ten aka 10 16th level drow mages in an encounter and they are not alone and the party will not be fresh either)3)searched 4chan, older thread in tg repeats this fact, that the adventure is insane and so do forums for ravenloft4)initially decide to change the level of the thralls (drow fighters, mage and duergar fighters) and i see how boring it is with the same thralls again and again (too underdarkish)5)decide to change the vampire mind flayers into a monster that is fun to play and not 8 levels drained per round. Find it in lords of madness, but still sucks, pretty boring.6)eventually replaced all monsters and enemy npcs, almost everything with different monsters (mutants) with variety (aesthetically for sure) and far weaker so it can be played by 12th-15th level characters. Will play in the end of the next month. 7)will post what happened and conversion (still working on it) if i am not incapacitated by work or it did not suckhas anyone converted this to 3.5?
Thought's on a houserule to make AoO way more hardcore:Any action outside of Withdraw or melee attack against an opponent threatening you is subject to AoO, including 5ft steps. If a Full-Round action is done within a threatened square opponent may expend any number of AoO up to a maximum available. Attacks, including AoO ones, done against one opponent while you are threatened by another are also subject to AoO from the second opponent.Example:There is a 2 (A,B) on 2(C,D) fight where fighters stand like thisA_B__C_DCombatant B casts a spell, which provokes AoO from C and D, but C is also threatened by A, thus if he chooses to use his AoO he also provokes one himself and combatant A may whack him on the head.
>>96843551>Honestly though, D&D 3e is pretty balanced if you follow one simple rule. You can't have long rests in a dungeon.Why does that even matter? People just leave the dungeon and come back and it's up to the DM to make that a bad idea. In a lot of dungeons restocking monsters doesn't even make sense.
>>96846719It seems like a great way to keep players really engaged outside of combat and really think about when to use their AoO. But on the other hand it seems like it just takes the already-ridiculous AoO system to an extreme.
>>96842771In this specific case, the ghouls have been detected two rounds prior. They are enemy reinforcements coming in on round 6 of an ongoing ambush following up several other monsters.So he has both forewarning from an NPC scout and clear visibility of them rounding a large hillside.>>96842341I really don't like how mobs got implemented in 3.5 - like 'Undead = +15 attack bonus' static.doesn't matter if its simple skeletons or ghouls or wights. That's lazy and ridiculous.For such large battles I found them quite manageable by simply keeping them on same initiative count and using Random.org to roll their attacks and saves.
>>96846719You don't want to have a full layer of stack interaction of who threatens whom and what actions trigger other potential reactions. It also neuters the 5-foot step when its entire point is being able to shift a bit without getting mulched. It also makes Combat Reflexes damn near mandatory because it effectively replaces extra attacks from BAB.
If you were to adapt the mystic class from 3e to 3.5, what would be a good spell progression to go with instead of bonus spells?Just lose the first level, go with every second level, maybe even full progression?
>>96849239the expression on the guy in the article is abominably moronic and repulsive.
>>96843809Hmm, that's tempting, but I'd probably just do some kind of Skynet-esque Modron takeover, especially if that Purpose is alien or misanthropic. Treating colonialism as alien because of the Gish might be funny.
>>96846761>Restocking monstersNo need. The monsters know you are there now. Leaving is fine, do not be surprised if there are going to be a shit load of traps, ambush points, and whatever McGuffin you were entering for is gonna be stashed or secreted away through a rear entrance.
>>96842457What was the final total number of spells listed in official D&D 3.5 books? Like the sum total of each spell from the core books, splats, adventures, setting specific, etc?
>>96849349It's the face of a man who tried to steeple his fingers in a menacing and arcane manner, but forgot he was wearing the Captain Flint doohickey
>>96846923why is the AoO system ridiculous? AoOs are one of my favorite parts of tactical combat- years before I playd DnD I was pissed in FFT that an enemy unit could just walk away from my knight
>>96845423First time i’ve heard of it. Might try it out on my players and see how it goes when you finish your conversion>>96849239I realy do like the idea of bonus spells, but the lack of CL (Wether or not it increases spells per day is different) makes it only good for NPC’s. For PC’s i would have the entry requierments be the same and make it grant Spellcaster Levels for every level other than 1, At Lvl 2 or 3 grant the feat Skill Focus (Arcana) or (Spellcraft), at Lvl 5 replace the spell secret with thisMagical Mastery (Su): You can choose one spell who already is affected by a Spell Secret. You can cast that spell double the ammount of times from a single spel slot. For example a wizard who prepared Magic Missile twice can cast it four times, while a sorcerer or spontaneous caster who knows Magic Missile can it twice from a single spell slot.At 10th level you can choose another spell to get the same benefit>>96846719Sounds like a massive pain in the ass and would devolve into range spam>>96843809Why use discount Modrons when the real deal exists, you know deep down that this is what peak performance looks like.
>>96846719This sounds like too much of a hassle and it would make another feat a prerquisite to play an efficient frontliner aka combat reflexes ,as well as having a decent dex so making melee characters even more mad than before
Looking to play a warlock for the first time, any good guides or tips I should know about? Is it a fun class, and if not, any alternatives you'd suggest?
>>96849239>Mystics are spellcasters focused solely on the study of magicAs opposed to wizards, who have "summon succubus whores" and "fuck with muggles" as class abilities.
>>96849239Its bonus spell progression is the same as Eunuch Warlock, which was updated to +1 casting at every level after 1st (and replaces its upgrade to Spell Focus spells with a different one).The issue though is that 3.0 Eunuch Warlock received "New Spell Level" as a class feature at 5th and 10th level, increasing the level it could assign its bonus spell slots to, while Mystic has no equivalent.Their Spell Secret class feature was inherited by the 3.5 Wu Jen class (at lv3/9/12/15/18), though with Empower Spell no longer an option.
>>96855457>fuck with mugglesit's called Prestidigitation
>>96854909this one seemed decent, though I assume you probably found it yourselfhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1xLnDuzhHsPCEz_eX0yTYIf7M5w6QnipN3lFSYmoPhbg/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.o3sci3onox6
>>96849239>>96855569Two things to note>The feats required to enter>Most spells stop scaling 5 levels after you get them, sometimes 10So I'd go with something like>5/10 casting (+1 at even levels)>1st level class feature lets you apply Enlarge, Extend, Silent or Still for free whenever you cast a spell, chosen each time. Your options expand to Empower at 5th level, Maximize at 7th, and Quicken at 9th>At 3rd level, whenever you apply one or more metamagic feats to a spell (including the free ones above), you gain +1 CL/DC for each level increase. This can explicitly break caps (e.g. 11d6 fireballs) because there was a feat which works like that somewhere.>At 10th level your spells ignore spell resistance
>>96855645I had not, no! Thank you, I'll give it a look later
>>96855457>"summon succubus whores"This is a great way to die of level drain or catch warp touch as a venereal disease.Don't be an idiot, summon erinyes goth bondage slaves like an actually functional member of the wizard's college.
prestige classes suck ass
>>96856009One of the few things Pathfinder improved over 3.5 is going all in on variants over PCs
>>96856009>>96856021Anon, that was weak bait and you know it. At least put some effort into trying to troll the thread.You didn't even wait before replying to yourself. You should have let it hang longer to keep it believable.
>>96855959What's the best way to build your own demiplane, spam Genesis? And what's the best way to spam Genesis, get it as a SLA to nix the XP cost?
>>96856042>get it as a SLA to nix the XP cost?Or thought bottle, I guess.
>>96856009No.
>>96856042Dweomerkeeper Supernatural Spell nixes XP and GP costs 4 times a day.
Favorite noncaster base class?
>>96856178Rogue. I love having skill points, I love tumbling, I love being rewarded for smart positioning with damage.
>>96856178Ranger with the Nature's Warrior option to give up spells. Fluff-wise that's my favorite class. I wish 5e's ranger wasn't a spellcaster by default, or that the spell-less option was in the core PHB at the very least.After that it'd probably be monk. I really love knight even though it kinda sucks. And dragon shaman.
What would you guys think of a video about "top spells you should have as scrolls" as in spells that are situational enough you don't want to learn them, but they are gonna come up once or twice in a campaign and you just need to have them available.
>>96856178I like Binders
>>96856230I'd watch that. Those kinda lists are often useful to remind you of stuff you wouldn't normally not use but is still fun
>>96856230Would be interesting though I'd personally prefer a forum post or Google doc or something like that.
>>96856178Does incarnum count? Cause i love totemist
>>96856231Binders are quasicasters like warlocks and truenamers. They may not use spell-slots, but they're still doing the caster's role.
>>96856178Is druid with no spellcasting a viable answer? I like turning into into different stuff depending on the encounter, it keeps things fresh for everyone
>>96856242>>96856239I'll give it a shot. And maybe post the script here afterward.
Anyone know any magic item that automatically cleans the user? I feel like I've seen something liek that before.Alternatively an item that uses Prestidigitation at will would also work.
>>96860024https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/f/fastidiousness/Pathfinder 1st edition has this spell at level 1. You can calculate it as an item with permanent effect or unlimited daily uses or something.
>>96860210this is one of those spells that's world altering. literally every rich person and noble would have it on for most of their life and it would be the minimum requirement to be admitted in affluent society.Also every prostitute past a certain price point. I think this would be the primary 1st level spell selection for every cleric and acolyte because there is nothing on the spell list that has greater utility and need. The industrial implications are huge as well - there are a ton of jobs where being able to step away for a minute and be completely clean along with your tools, without needing water and soap would be a very big deal.
>>96860265>Prestidigitationnta, but Prestidigitation would probably be a bigger deal since as a Cantrip its much easier to lean(especially in Pathfinder with at will cantrips), since it also lets you clean everything, but also reovlutionize how food is served for example.But yeah every noble would probably have an item with a permanent fastidiousness effect, or they'd just pay a wizard to use their first level slot on them every day.The most comparable first level spell would probably Endure Element which also has a similar duration and depending on the season would be incredibly valuable, especially in a society without modern conveniences for heating/cooling rooms.Like two 1st level spells woul let youu walk around perfectly clean and comfortable in the hottest summer or coldest winter no matter how you dress.
