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>Chaotic evil won>Everyone else got low diffed by anons' hopes and dreams
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Doomed yuri with a man tearing apart the couple and having kids with one or both is kino.
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>>96847892Entropy Snake https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96787971/#96791184Scroll Lich https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96787971/#96791572Primordial Jew https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96787971/#96792028Aventurine https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96791933/#96793188Machine God https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96791933/#96793440Shadow Crafter https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96791933/#96794677Yin Yang Scion https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96791933/#96797399Artist https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96798161/#96800218Id and Ego https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96804748/#96806558Inheritor of the Cataclysm https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96804748/#96808227Ever-Changing https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96810832/#96814569Entropy Inevitable https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96818370/#96820919Venom Dragonlord https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96823661/#96828105The Sins-Eater https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96804748/#96810724Tachyon https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96810832/#96813537Malevolent Growth https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96810832/#96814205The Inexorable https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96810832/#96816304Primordial Faggot https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96810832/#96817789Karmic Shopping List https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96818370/#96818642Heavenly Lunar Emperor https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96818370/#96819549Behemoth https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96818370/#96823049Edict of the Sovereign Hand https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96818370/#96823070Breaker of Infinities https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96823661/#968273245 Fold Method Madness https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96823661/#96827382Sen Secret Stain https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96823661/#96827550The Wanderer with a Heart of Gold https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96823661/#96828125Slaughter Scion https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96831220/#96832212
>>96847888yes
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what do yall think clans of cultivators would look like in CC would they all share a method or just do their own thing and support each other in the meanwhile
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>>96847961They'd probably share a method with the higher ups reserving the better/upgraded versions/techniques for themselves.
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>>96847961They'd probably share one or more methods, as it really wouldn't make sense for the members to intentionally not train their children.
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>>96847961They'd do what cultivators usually do in xianxia stories. Teach their Methods with their underlings and restrict it from anyone else.
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>>96847878Can thinbloods take blood sorcery?
>>96847974imagine an entire clan just filled with skin shedding scripture users or path of metamorphosis users it sounds like hell to fight if ur not rank 5 or above
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Did rake ever talk about misc techniques not tied to any method?
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>>96847961for clans share the same method, sects probably have a few methods that they focus on.
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>>96848030Sects and clans are treated differently? or is it just a size thing
>>96847559>cultivate for 9.6 billions years>can only merely make mountains shake, and topple rivers and seashumanity has only had SCIENCE! for 400~ years and they can already do this. the conclusion: tech > magic
>>96848052>>humanity has only had SCIENCE! for 400~ years>tfw I don't know history
>>96848014Is there anything saying they can't? Don't ask stupid questions.
>>96848028Aren't thosw the Auxiliary techniques that are essentially spells and shit like that? If you're expecting stuff like jjk non innate technique stuff, then I don't know if it's a thing.
>>96848060
Is Rake actually retarded
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>>96848063Descartes was the TRUE inventory of SCIENCE!Everything before that was preamble
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>>96848052yeah but it's like>stage 8destroy mountains, rivers, and seas>stage 9blow up planets with a finger>stage 10kill god and rewrite reality
>>96847935Tokslop
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Yall aint ready to hear this but if your a demonic cultivator all alone with only 1 method no blessings,no GI and no treasures. skin shedding scriptures is the best. prove me wrong
>>96848014The only thing a thinblood can't do is be cool.
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>>96848081Sorry, little nigga, but every technological discovery was science, from learning to use fire to creating guns.The true difference is that the ability to preserve and exchange knowledge as well as vast resources is what has made technology have such an explosive growth.As we don't have to reinvent the wheel constantly and can fuck around with new ideas.
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>>96848052>anon is still individually weakYou played yourself
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>>96848039Clans are basically a BIG family with a common ancestor.Sects are a group of people (think of them like lets say knight orders) with a founder as the origin.an outsider cannot be part of a clan unless they marry someone from the clan, sects can accept outsiders if they want to.technically they should have the same influence but generally sects are more prominent, i guess with the exception of really big human and beast clans in the first world.also clans tend to have a bloodline, especially the powerful ones.
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>>96848171Spoonfeed me the hidden aspect(s)
>>96847892coolest build name?
if yall were in the world of CC and had to be a part of a mid sized clan with one method, what method would you prefer the clan to use? would you spec into certain areas of the method like using sun more than moon in heavenly celestial scrolls?
>>96848235Either The Butcher or Breaker of Infinities.The Sins-Eater would easily take 1st place if he changed it to "The Sin-Eater", but as of now it's lame.
>>96848222Reanimation embodies the Chain of Sins as a whole. Invocation embodies "Sin" in the Chain of Sins.But where is the aspect that embodies "Chain"? That's right, it's hidden.
>>96848238Prismatic Radiance Manuscript, the reason being aesthetics alone.
>>96848238Machine Transcendence Manual. It's probably the most group-oriented Method in the CYOA, but it lends itself towards wageslavery unfortunately.
>>96848126Being individually strong doesnt matter if an uppity group of mortals mows you down with guns and bombs. Imagine being the Jade Emperor, cultivating for BILLIONS of years, all for some mortals that haven't even seen a century to just curbstomp you. Talk about embarrassing!
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>>96848238assuming we are just an 'average' guy who can only cultivate one method then eternal frost pages, i will then progress to a time method.>>96847892i still don't understand how you can 'planeswalk' without portal storms.
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>>96848238an entire clan using path of metamorphosis is called a casino
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>>96848312Mutant mafia...
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>>96848238What is our position in the clan? Our talents?
>>96848360your an average guy with no downsides. your position is probably just a senior your not an elder but your not low rank either with people beneath you that you can command.
>>96848238Bloodstained Vermillion Verses, obviously. I'd win over them all. I'm built different.
>>96848238>>96848380Decent situation. Skin-Shedding Scripture. Enough resources to make it worthwhile.
>>96848415on that note, what kind of monsters would skin shedding scriptures use at ranks 4 -1? would i just be basic animals but buffed like an RE roided bear?
>>96848415Perfect fucking method to be a demonic faction clan with ez bloodline steals
>>96848012This cyoa would have greatly benefited from good companions
>>96848432You have misunderstood the method. Skin-Shedding Scripture is not inherently demonic. One does not necessarily need to kill or even harm to cultivate it.Junior, your way of thinking is too extreme, at risk of Deviation. Be careful.
How do you feel about cosmic horror by scottishanon
>>96848534post the cyoa or fuck off
>>96848028Other than a line about being able to develop techniques outside of your method in the intro to the method section I don't think so.
>>96848028You're able to learn any other technique except the ones that actually cultivate your RE, its just that using and learning them is a lot less efficient if you aren't following a similar Dao.
>>96848490i have eyes but have failed to see Mt Tai please take my wife for your pleasure senior
>>96848552you shan't be spoonfed newfag
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>>96848654Whoops, I forgot page 4.
>>96848628( ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°)Meditate in seclusion. You are not coming out until you correct your crooked mindset.
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>>96848014Technically because Sylen didn't put any proper restrictions on Blood Powers in their version of WoD nothing actually stops thin-bloods from having Ancient levels in their Disciplines. Sure he made some vague allusion to there being a limit, but didn't actually put a limit in that was lower than Methuselah levels of power.
>>96847961I think there are probably countless clan each one being very different so my answer would be "yes".
in a low rank clan war fated shot rapes everybody
>>96848729They do have some potential bad match ups though. Like a clan of fated shot is mostly just going to piss off a clan of stone titans.
>>96848839>entire clan focus fires on one singular titan>run away once hes dead before the other slow, lumbering titans can catch up (they fly away on their bullets)>rinse and repeatmongol tactics
>>96848886The stone titans aren't slow. The method specifically notes that it doesn't sacrifice mobility. Then just by being a body refining method they should end up with more speed than an energy gathering method like fated shot. It's also going to be really hard to get away from a group of giants causing earthquakes under them.
>>96848886>the "dead" titan that got focus fired looks around in confusion wondering where that swarm of mosquitoes>they shrug and go on with the plan to just walk up to the gun-fag den and toss a few molotovs on it for shit and giggles
>>96848287Honestly, I feel a bit embarrassed to post this image build now, it was a very early effort and it's hardly more than a 'shopping list' with a few specific pictures and a little bit of explanation at the bottom.
>>96847878“The Day Fixer” >Who did this to you Modern Nights: Gen 13/Thin Blood (tails + Noxiousness Bane) The Awakening: A World of Darkness (Quick note here, since Modern Nights gives +2 attributes, I took it as an actual increase in stats and also took the Ideal Vessel option as it is my only chance to change my appearance with this option). Also used the 3 ability points I ought to have as currency for Koldunic Sorcery.) >Clans and Sects Caitiff (Celerity, Potence, and Fortitude) (Bane: Deficient) & Camarilla (soon to be Anarch) >Unnatural Embrace Bound Willpower (+1 tier Deficient), Ideal Vessel (Upgraded +1 Tier Poxbearer), Blush of Health, Repentance of the beast (The Sun), One Last Ride, Early Riser Impairments of the Blood Thinnest of Blood, Talentless Morsel (Manifestation), Dulled Bite >Curses Sun (T0) Fire (T1) Manifestation (T0) Deficient (Bane T2), Noxiousness (Bane T2), Poxbearer (T1) >Blood Powers Celerity (Ancient, affinity), Fortitude (Elder, affinity), Potence (Fledgling, affinity, initially locked), Auspex (Fledgling, Fame Locked), Presence (Fledgling, Fame Locked), Dominate (Fledgling, Fame Locked), Obfuscate (Fledgling, Fame Locked), Valeren (Fledgling, Fame Locked), Temporis (Fledgling, Fame Locked) >Blood Sorcery Thaumaturgy (Fame Locked): Path of Mars Rank 1(Starter Path) Koldunic Sorcery (Chronicle locked): Way of Wind Rank 2 (Starter Path), Way of Fire Rank 3 (abilities spent) Necromancy: Ash Path Rank 1(Starter) Assamite Sorcery: Awakening of the Steel Rank 3 (Starter Path) Thin Blood Alchemy: Athanor Corporis >Character Attributes: Appearance (Upgraded), Body, Mind Abilities: Athletics (free), Alertness (free), Expression (free) 1/3
>>96849046I honestly and sincerely feel that this is a falseflag, and would like to note that you are a faggot
>>96849085>>96847878>Your Sire Traits & Personality (all fame nullified): Envious (Upgraded +2 Fortitude), Abusive (upgrade scholastic), Scholastic (Upgraded) (Assamite Sorcery and Necromancy), Behind the Curtains: Main Proxy (Upgraded), Illegal Embrace, Identity Lost Goals: Defection >The First Nights Attitude: Rebellious, First Impressions: No Introductions Power Projection (Fame: Reset to 0, goes to 20 after 1st chronicle, Favor: -3 (abandoned), Wealth:2 Notoriety:0 Dark Gifts (hooks into gifts): Major Boon (The Shade of the Forest), Morgue (Bartholomew Peers +wealth), Library Card >Sanguine Community Candidates: Bartholomew Peers (Blood Doll), Mercedes Bulgari (Blood Doll) Contacts: The Daemon Whisperer, The Plumed Mistress (disciplines unlocked), The Nightlife Bartender, the Master of the Circle, the Sanguine Fatale, the Unorthodox Experimenter, the Man of No Name (“free” discipline unlock) >Chronicles Spirited Away into Europe (Turn the Seal + Koldunic Sorcery), A Summoning most foul (grasp the power +Potence Ancilla, +Auspex Neonate, +Temporis Neonate), Coven of Woe (Keep Quiet +rank 2 Counter Magic) 2/3
>>96847878>>96849088>Plan So I wanted to do a Thinblood since they can mitigate the worst of the curses. Big cost in power but I will be able to be a daywalker that can enjoy mortal pleasures and isn’t terrified of flames. I assume this goes away if I practice Diablere and lower my generation so I have to STAY a Thinblood. With that said I need another way to gain power and I think I have a solution. Ancient level Ogham allows mortals to be sacrificed for their souls and enhance their Vitae. I don’t want to unlock that discipline just for this one power though, so I intend to use thinblood alchemy to get it. With Athanor Corporis if I can successfully brew this power in myself, I will be able to use it once a day indefinitely until I change powers (I never will change powers), but of course brewing an ancient level brew is no easy feat. So using my major boon I will enlist The Shade of the Forest to help me since he has the Ogham discipline at ancient level. As for my sire and politics I really want to be an independent, so I intentionally set it up to be abandoned by my sire due to being a clanless thinblood. A little tricky to make the sire section, fame, and dark gifts work out but I think I got it. I am an illegal embrace but I doubt the cammies are going to care about a single Thinblood, Caitiff, Anarch. Give it a few years and no one will be able to prove anything. Didn’t make my sire except for the bare bones since they don’t really matter. Not being able to do blood bonds due to thinnest of blood is tricky as basically my candidates can’t be truly relied on. So I start off pretty poor with just the morgue with Bartholomew, but having access to a cremator is worth it (I am going to be sacrificing people after all) and I can do jobs for my contacts. I will eventually pawn Bartholomew off to the Unorthodox Experimenter once I am more established as well. I gotta get all the power I can because in a century me and Cain are raiding hell itself!
>>96848677Ancient tier powers are only technically "six dots" and up. You could make a case that a 12th gen's ancient disciplines is an equivalent to a 6 dot one, whereas a 4th gen sire would have 9 dots in it, despite both having ancient. Plus, he stated that higher generations have lower blood pools. >>96847878What contact do you think has the best discipline spread to copy with a Hook?
Is Italics dead or something I haven't seen him post CYOAs or updates in months.
>>96849126Trust the plan
>>96849095>Ancient tier powers are only technically "six dots" and up.Which is noted as being what you should expect from a Methuselah.>You could make a case that a 12th gen's ancient disciplines is an equivalent to a 6 dot one, whereas a 4th gen sire would have 9 dots in it, despite both having ancient.I mean if you want to start headcannoning stuff and contradicting the explicit rules of the CYOA. The Affinity & Potency are pretty explicitly that certain ranks equate to a certain range of Dots, no adjustment.>Plus, he stated that higher generations have lower blood pools.Fair point. They'd have less fuel to do stuff with but current RAW they can be just as skilled at wielding Disciplines and Sorceries as much lower generation vampires.
>>96849095>Ancient tier powers are only technically "six dots" and up.Depending on the edition 14th gen is capped at 4 dots and 15ths gen at 3 dots. So even having access to 6 dots as a 15th gen is a pretty damn big deal.
>>96849095>What contact do you think has the best discipline spread to copy with a Hook?Even though Maria Mago has a lot of common ones you're likely to have anyway Temporis goes hard. Plus she can fill in any gaps you have in the "standard" vampire abilities.
>>96848614Mid-TierHumanNo "Powers"Mixed Theme -2Incongruous Power -1The BossSecurity Force -3The Mercenary (Mix Themes)Perfect Aim -1Peak-Form -1The PsychoFeel no Pain -1Practical Skills -1Doctorate -2Secret Identity -1Sexy -1Ancient Evil -1(This boosts all the skills)
>>96848238Bone-Scrivened Talismanic Transcribe, since it's by far the most versatile.
>>96848238Verdant. My favorite Method is actually Akashic Ascension, but if I had to be part of a clan that all used one method, it would have to be Verdant. Partially because I could see a path into high quality crafting where we grow weapons, armor, living talismans, and the method sounds like it would work very well with alchemy. Kind of strange for me because I wouldn't actually want to take Verdant in the cyoa, unless I could get four methods.
>>96849372Upper middle-brow
So what do you guys think is the best and worst drawbacks in CC? Stuff like Fated Nemesis is pretty brutal when you realize its just a permanent equalizer imposed onto you by the Heavens. It would be like fighting a shonen protagonist with plot armor/asspulls
>>96849549all of the solvable ones are finefor example, fated nemesis is solvable, it just takes some work and an intelligent choice of enemy, it's not the impossible nonsense you just spouted
>>96849549It's also the best source of motivation allowing you to surpass your limit and increase by ten fold your chance for a breakthrough to the higher stagesThis nemesis is nothing more but a constant stepping stone to your ascension to the peak of cultivation
>>96849549The worst is always Saving Face, the best depends on your build. I'd say that the one that is the best in a suitable build is Lonely, as in the right build it's a benefit. Incompetent is basically free in some builds, and similarly but I would think less often Empathic and Venerable Character are free for some. Personally I would have to say though that Parasite and Pseudo-Fallen are both interesting challenges to overcome that should be things one would naturally overcome in the course of cultivation.
parasite and youthful are pretty nasty if taken together, especially if you also have primordial essence, since all of those together would make your early cultivation to reach stage 2 go from weeks to years
>>96849561>t. readlet
>>96849085>>96849093Hey, a fellow daywalking thin-blood! Thought I'm not sure you're plan for gaining power through human sacrifice and soul-eating will preserve your Humanity and thin-blood status any better than doing it through Diablerie which is doing the same thing, but to vampires. Honestly Diablerizing humans might tank your Humanity and supercharge the curse of Caine even faster than doing it to vampires.
>>96849579>he says while failing to read that the choice explicitly says it's solvableironic
>>96849549>worstuninhibited powerdefective meridianssaving facemalevolent auraare all pretty shitall the other drawbacks might be worth it depending on your buildas for the best i like minotaur lair and hero's journey
>>96849581I see you're doubling down on your retardation.
>>96849585you're the one who's appending a whole load of hedcanon onto the drawback for the sake of stirring up arguments here lmao
>>96849579>>96849585nta but how is he a retard?
>>96849581But, the entire second paragraph is to explain that it *is* solvable, it'll just be hard.
>>96849591the other paragraph is also relevant, since it says they match you in strength, not that the form of their strength changes to counter you or anything like that, so for example picking cassian and just avoiding his punches works fine>>96849593yes, but notice that the hard parts are making a killing blow or similar stick and trying to engage in diplomacyalso notice that actually winning every battle isn't necessarily hard, they just have bulshit escape luck
>>96849591>>96849593Clearly that anon finds putting effort into something impossible, I mean they couldn't even put in the effort to read the option.
>>96849584Most of those can be fixed under the right circumstances. Saving face is basically a death setence though, unless you use mastermind to get rid of it.
>>96849549Indebted not only is a free blessing, it is actually an opportunity, provided you have all the mental and social blessings.
>>96849591>>96849593I read it like thatIt's not impossible but damn dude it's really close to impossible, it's like the world itself want you to lose to your nemesis
>>96849595You have enough anti-luck options in the cyoa to deal with that kind of bullshit anyway. Besides, if you pick one of the not-psychos to be your nemesis your chances of dying are slim.
>>96849595>yes, but notice that the hard parts are making a killing blow or similar stick and trying to engage in diplomacy>also notice that actually winning every battle isn't necessarily hard, they just have bulshit escape luckYeah, but it also explicitly says you can overcome all that. You're only having to overcome Fate in one ongoing battle to resolve that draw back. Now in a lot of setting that'd be a losing prospect, but this is a xianxia setting. Beating Fate is something you have to do regularly to progress through your Trials.
>>96849612stuff like iron will and void body would definitely make nemesis easier, however you don't really need that, you just pick a nemesis that you counter, most notably any one trick pony like cassian, and they will always be at a disadvantage against you despite being equal in strength
>>96849606As pointed out in >>96849613 that's literally true for *all* your Trials to progress as a cultivator.
>regularly beat Fate>I was fated to die but then I didn't! So take that fate!!Doesn't that just mean you were fated to live?
>>96849616The anon who wanted to mindrape Cassian, turn him into a chick and add him to his harem comes to mind. Cassian has no defense against something like Akashic or Celestial.
>>96849580Kek thematically you are probably right but mechanically I think it works. I intentionally didn't take path to Golganda because eating souls is basically gonna tank that but I hadn't thought of the "humanity" loss. I suppose my plan to sacrifice 365 souls a year for 100 years makes me quite a serial killer lol. And of course a real WoD game master would shoot me lol. Maybe I will update it in a bit. In any case I am more than happy to aid your meth lab or whatever fellow thinblood.
>>96849589>lmaoNice job outing yourself
>>96849621nom it means fate is a jobber
>>96849549BEST:>fated nemesis>incursion>minotaur's lairtemporary drawbacks and the added danger could be good for you to grow faster>deviated forma social debuff, but it just makes you look coolerWORST:>frog in a wellyou can't abuse the shit out of your methods, GI, blessings and items if you don't know what they do>doomsayerah yes, the drawback that makes pretty much everyone want to kill you, what a great idea>defective meridiansin a world where cultivation is everything maybe having greater difficulty cultivating is not a great choice>pseudo fallenmakes you a worse fighter and you could end up killing your companions too, so not even heart-severing mantra has a use for this>empathic>venerable character>saving facethese codes of conduct are bound to get you killed eventually, the only one that could pass is true loyalty depending on which companion you pair with
>>96849633pseudo-fallen is something you can turn into a benefit, and it just takes a few months of introspection and acting retarded in your training array, it's an easily solvable drawback that you can get benefit from, one of the best
>>96849621Nope, not in xianxia setting. Fate isn't all powerful. Calling it Fate might even be a bit of a misnomer. That's just one of the many names the mysterious force that tries to prevent excessive concentration of RE has.>>96849624I'm the False Ghoul, so no meth lab. I actually am hiding my thin-blood alchemy stuff in a morgue I'm having Dr. Peers run on the side. My main money maker will be a Tech Company with Samantha working there. Other than that I plan to keep a low profile and dig up all sorts of obscure lore and magic secrets by making a bunch of weird friends.
>>96849621A general theme in xianxia is that the heavens are not infallible. Also in the Taoist traditions that xianxia typically relates to there is a celestial bureaucracy, where fate, karma, and such are all being handled by an actual organization of gods who were largely formerly human. You aren't really opposing a monolithic absolute aspect of the universe by opposing fate, you're just opposing bureaucrats.Not that there always is an actual celestial bureaucracy in cultivation stories, but that's where the concept generally comes from. Where fate itself is not absolute in any way, and is in fact a force applied to the world.
>>96849633Take Doomsayer with Toad lusting after a swan and by solving one you're also solving the other.
>>96849549>Stuff like Fated Nemesis is pretty brutal when you realize its just a permanent equalizer imposed onto you by the HeavensYou could use it as a sharpening stone to hone your skills, if you pick a suitable nemesis to challenge your build.
incidentally, what's a good way to keep your pseudo-fallen raging ass in a training array and only exit once you've calmed down? i think solving some basic algebra would prove that you're lucid?
>>96847892>me (a devourer) trying not to vomit as i eat the rotten brain "stew" of one of alva's high ranking zombie cultivators after that bitch attacked me again.
>>96849589>autist projects their hostile behavior while everyone else answers the questionWhy is /cyoag/ always filled with these types? Do they just use this general as a way to vent their shitty lives or something
>>96849662>only autists can tell i'm trolling the same worn out argument for the fourth time:)
>>96849659You will exhaust yourself eventually anyway
>>96849659I think taking Lyra as a companion so she can easily knock your ass flat till you calm down is a good one.
>>96849664>I was pretending to be retarded
>>96849670that's a terrible idea unles you want to "accidentally" devour her or something, she has good abilities but don't overestimate them into some kind of omnipotence>>96849671>i can't even readlmao
>>96849636>and it just takes a few months of introspection and acting retarded in your training arrayand where exactly did you get that one could solve this in a few months?either way because you are trying to lay low for a big amount of time you can't take other better drawbacks like minotaur's lair, incursion, fated nemesis, hero's journey or possession because any of those would force you into fighting before you stop being a threat to your companions and yourself>>96849652I thought that any shapeshifting method would solve doomsayer, but I highly doubt even metamorphosis + skin-shedding would let you do that in the first or second stage, so you are going to be public enemy number one for way too long
>>96849674Already ran out of trolling material champ?
>>96849664Eh, not everyone spends all day everyday here. This is probably the first time I've seen this particular argument.>>96849674>that's a terrible idea unles you want to "accidentally" devour her or somethingI'm pretty sure she starts out significantly stronger than you, what with how far along her Primordial Essence is in expressing itself. If it takes you so long to tame that inner demon that you can actually directly threaten her you're doing something wrong with dealing with it.
>>96849676i assume it's a few months, especially when aided by effects like iron will, because it says "much introspection", not "ages" or "centuries"you can absolutely take all of those drawbacks and just wait inside your lost legacy for a few days of outside time to solve something like pseudo-fallen, not only is it giving you extra time but you're also inaccessible to enemies, that's one of the reasons lost legacy is so great every build should have it
>>96847892is earth even worth it? i mean some of the events might be very useful but would it not be better to just planeswalk out of earth as soon as possible?
>>96849690I mean if you want to jump out of the kiddy pool into the grown-up's pool before learning how to swim, go for it. Sink or swim.
>>96849690imo it's best to take full advantage of being a big fish in the small pond of earth for as long as you can unless you have no means of getting extra energy via spirit stones and the likeeven with just market you can stay here and cultivate quickly and indefinitely compared to those who depend on worldly energy
>>96849633>>minotaur's lair>he thinks he could get through CDDA labs while being a normal ass personI admire your courage
>>96849676If you have LL you can solve those rather easily. Take LL with Imperial Ancestry focused on crafting and you will have materials and techniques needed to solve both your ugly problem and your doomsayer one. There are pills for basically anything in xianxia, in fact, you can even create pills to reinforce your sanity temporarily so you don't enter the tardrage caused by pseudo fallen.
>>96849690Traveling between worlds doesn't seem too difficult, at least it seems the difficulty of leaving and coming back are about the same. So there isn't anything wrong with building a base on earth while you focus your efforts in other worlds. Besides that there could be a lot of treasures on earth due to the portal storm that you could keep looking for.
>>96849687She doesn't have Primordial Essence though? She does have a powerful bloodline but that's it. Primordial Essence is an entirely different ball game.
>>96847878Finally my build is complete!Sylen did it again, didn't think i would get this hooked, guess i am a true waifufag in the end. The update was far more forgiving and i got pretty much everything that i wanted/am satisfied with. Probably did a mistake somewhere, hope it isn't a big one. Not the waifu i had in mind when going in, but glad with how it turned out anyway. Know jack shit about the lore, but had some fun diving into the wiki to get the creativity flowing.
>>96849690It's a convenient world full of weakish people. You're in a perfect position to mold it into whatever you want.
>>96849687>>96849704This. Grand inheritances are unique to you. Nobody else on earth has them. In fact, even nearby worlds to earth don't have anything similar to a single grand inheritance.Read the blurb at the top of the grand inheritance page. It's all there.
>>96849707This one is for numbers and the character monologuing a bit more to himself. It was the build i intended to go with, but got hooked on doing an image build as well, even when i wasn't planning to initially.https://rentry.co/usb9ehev
Did we ever get a look into what the power levels of other worlds actually are? How strong is a RE-9 on the grand scheme of things really? What can the heavy hitters in the First World do? Are people regularly blowing up galaxies there?
>>96849723no thing specific, but probablyclosest thing to an immediate encounter with something at or stronger than re10 is passing through
>>96849723The highest level is universal, I think.
>>96849737why would universal be the highest when there's a multiverse
>>96849704>>96849714Pretty sure Rake confirmed Lyra basically has Primordial Essence (dragon). Just like he mentioned he accidentally made Marie su stronger than the player character.
>>96849723Yes. This is why xianxia is not popular outside of Chink media. It's just autistic powerscaling autism that escalates into retarded bullshit. Probably why Rake ""tried"" to put some sort of scale.
>Lost Legacy pocket plane>When no cultivator is inside, time flows even faster, allowing for plants and the like to be grown extremely quickly.this + some mechanism to automatically harvest and plant rare plants for passive high tier material gain
>>96849704>>96849714Honestly form the sounds of things the companions seem to have like 3/4ths to 4/5ths of a Grand Inheritance, almost but not quite on that level. Lyra seems like she may be closer Primordial Essence than she is Imperial Ancestry, and Marie Su sounds like she has a version of Heaven Blessed that is far closer to a Grand Inheritance than the blessing.
>>96849743Well clearly "basically" having a grand inheritance is still less than an actual one, since the CYOA is very explicit that there is nothing that matches a single one of them anywhere on earth.
>>96849723>>96849729in the incursion drawback at the least we know that adult dragons can eat worlds whole. i don't know if that means really something since each world is very different and there are worlds the size of an island>>96849746we get it anon, you don't like xianxia because its "autistic powerscaling autism" how many times must you repeat yourself
>>96849697you actually start at stage 1 also most GI would let you survive easily:>primordial essence would basically let you start as a stage 2>perfect guardian lets you send your immortal waifu head first into danger>HCF, oversoul, dharma weapon and mentor ring are perfect for learning/improving faster so you aren't totally clueless when fightingand this is not even counting blessings, with weapon god physique, warhound, iron will, decentralized organs, imperial ancestry, sixth sense, third eye, innovative or peerless prodigy, each would be a massive boon in this scenarioyou have all the tool available to beat the lair, if you don't that's just a skill issue
>>96849643>in the Taoist traditions that xianxia typically relates to there is a celestial bureaucracy, where fate, karma, and such are all being handled by an actual organization of gods who were largely formerly human. You aren't really opposing a monolithic absolute aspect of the universe by opposing fate, you're just opposing bureaucrats.Those supposed bureaucrats are just puppets of the Heavenly Dao, not the other way around.
>>96849761the incursion dragon is stage 8
>>96849749Grand Inheritance are just a mess in general. It's a glorified upgraded item section but narratively it makes it look like its your ace in the hole protag power when it isn't.
>>96849707>5th gen>so weakWhere did your points go???
>>96849765>can start at Stage 2 maxbro link rel would decimate you and you know DIMA's got the facility packed with this bullshityou only gain the speed to dodge bullets at RE-6, perhaps a bit earlier with the right methods. a RE-2-4 you (effective level with the right blessings & GIs) still would job to concentrated firehttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/VEd-xar-avg
>>96849746xianxia generally uses scales like that
>>96849778Non-gay linkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEd-xar-avg
>>96849767I was talking about in Taoist traditions, and how it influences xianxia fiction. Not that the celestial bureaucracy is unique to Taoists, it is pas part of Confucianism and the chinese version of Buddhism. Both of which are also influences on xianxia.
>>96849749Sure but even 4/5th of Primordial Essence plus years of letting it grown and express itself still puts her a good ways up the ranking ladder. Since "there isn't much that can truly threaten her out there" on Earth she's probably a solid 5 or 6. Maybe even a 7 on the ranking scale. Not sure there are many builds that can actually threaten her right out the gate even with triple GIs. Now maybe if you did something dumb like catch up to her before resolving Psuedo-Fallen you'd put her in serious danger. But just do the smart thing and work out your issues before becoming more dangerous. Oh, also if you took Youthful then you'd definitely not be a real threat to her for a while.
>>96849787I find that completely unreasonable. You and your companions need to start together at the same stage. Stages aren't something relatively small like levels in DnD, they're worlds apart. To have a companion that's 4 or 5 stages above you would be like starting with a god for a party member in DnD while you're a level 1 schmuck, it would be completely meaningless.There isn't much that can threaten you out there on earth either, unless you pick a retarded drawback, so it's not like that's unique to her.
>>96849768yes that is way i mentioned what adult dragons can do and didn't say anything about the incursion dragon.>>96849778>perhaps a bit earlier with the right methodsanon the list in the first page its the bare minimum with no method, you would be a LOT stronger than that cultivating a method, and also at stage 4 you start being able to resist small caliber fire, if you for example take 2 body refining methods you would be able to deal with even normal caliber at stage 3 with no problem.
>>96849801>waywhy*
>>96849801>>96849778that turret would be solvable with a single proper technique at stage 2, like for example some invisibility effect that prevents detection by the mundane sensors, or passwall that just lets you use entire sections of the building as cover
>>96849794>I find that completely unreasonable.I disagree.>You and your companions need to start together at the same stage.No they don't.>To have a companion that's 4 or 5 stages above you would be like starting with a god for a party member in DnD while you're a level 1 schmuck, it would be completely meaningless.Sorry Tripitaka, you're the party scrub. But hey in this setting at least you can get-gud and catch up.>There isn't much that can threaten you out there on earth eitherThat's literally said no-where and is pure head cannon. What you do have is an abundance of fortunes that can catapult you way far ahead of where you should be. Nothing say you start out top dog on Earth, yet.
>>96849813It's true in the xianxia convention of not punching down. Otherwise it's a meaningless statement for Lyra as well.
>>96849815There is absolutely no reason for people on earth in the cyoa to avoid punching down.
>>96849813>That's literally said no-where um yes it is? the last sentence of primordial essence, for example
>>96849822There is a great reason for it. The existence of the setting depends on it. If they were doing it, then you wouldn't have a CYOA.
>>96849811you might even use ranged attack of energy gathering methods to destroy the turret but that would be too dangerous to do at early stages if you don't have any protection/defense
>>96849831yes... that would be an example of not solving it and instead fighting it
>>96849801>you would be a LOT stronger than that cultivating a methodhow stronger, specifically? stone titan cultivator will obviously have better physical stats than a fated shot cultivator with both at RE-1. but how much better??? the cyoa doesnt mention the specifics, just that you should take the RE stages as a minimum framework to what you can do, but i dont think method cultivators would be far stronger than what the minimum of their stage is>>96849811which methods give invisibility or passwall, and would you have access to these powers the moment you spawn in?
>>96849836you don't need methods for techniques, just go to the market and learn them or use your crafting skills to make a talisman for them or whatever the fuck
>>96849815I'm sorry but you are going to have to explain what you mean>It's true in the xianxia convention of not punching down.If nothing on Earth was a threat to (you) why even start there? Wouldn't that just be punching down on the whole planet?>Otherwise it's a meaningless statement for Lyra as well.Lyra's issue isn't power but understanding and control. She has a completely different set of obstacles, but they are an equally valid character arch.>>96849823>um yes it is? the last sentence of primordial essence, for example>Said sentence: "If you can tame your blood, this fledgling world will offer no resistance." But the previous sentence starts " While not easily accessed..."That's like saying you have already mastered the Method mentioned in the Mentor's Ring.
>>96849836This >>96849839Lost Legacy trivializes Minotaur's Lair since you can take a bunch of gear from your vault for any problem. Might even be teleportation talismans in there.
>>96849843Look bro, if you really think something as pants on head retarded such as your companions starting at stage 6 if you pick the secretly best ones, go ask Rake to confirm your theory and get laughed at for being a retard.
>>96849827It's chaos out there with a zombie apocalypse and random monsters from other worlds showing up. Monsters are absolutely not going to avoid punching down. Similarly someone like Akua has no reason not to crush anyone that opposes her cult. You aren't going to survive out there if you think your only opponents will be those on your stage, you have to avoid threats above you and not give anyone/thing reason to go after you. Also there is a blessing specific to preventing people from punching down against you.
>>96849844you probably can't teleport out since that would be too conflicting with the drawback, but yeah, you can also just use the stuff from lost legacy
>>96849743So I guess Lyra is just miles stronger and more useful than any other companion. Perhaps even more useful than Marie Su, since she can just make sure you're safe from 99% of he threats in the world. This renders most of the other companions completely obsolete.I don't get it, why would an author write something on the cyoa and immediately contradict himself afterwards? If that is true the companion section is completely unbalanced, but I guess if the Marie Su wankers are correct than it was probably broken in the first place.
>>96849839>>96849844alright you convinced meminotaurs lair is free gibs
>>96849851Sorry, but this spells out the idea that some of your companions can start with godlike power compared to others. It's incompatible with basic cyoa and narrative sense no matter what kind of argument you make in favor of it.
>>96849707This is beyond awesome anon! Massive props for dedication.
Minotaur's Lair also makes the DIMA bunker very valuable for many Methods. Easy sources of high technology for Machine Transcendence, plenty of diverse monsters and phenomena for Path of Metamorphosis, potentially venomous/poisonous monsters for Thousand Venoms Texts, tons of valuable prey to slaughter for Blood-Stained Vermillion Verses, rare materials from various worlds for crafters, and so on. It's honestly more of an opportunity than a drawback.
>>96849855Well Lyra just effectively only has the one GI without all the other bells and whistles we get. And it's the GI that hinders cultivation so she's not too hard to surpass. Su's issues with motivation and confidence similar kneecap her growth till she gets over it.
>>96849869yesn't, all of that crap is out there in the world too, just in more convenient places that you can prepare better for
In this discussion of best girl Lyra, I have to ask, since she basically isn't using a method, which one of the methods available to us do you think she would be best off adopting? Personally I think Verdant, Stone-Titan or Living Forge would be best for her.
>>96849877Yeah, but you'd have to go out and look for it, whereas with the drawback it's all already in one location for you to gobble up.
Lyra is pillbait
>>96849888trips of trooth. this world belongs to demonic cultivators
>>96849882I don’t think she needs to be limited to any of the available ones desu. Much like Alva, I’d expect any companion with a specific method to either find or eventually develop their own.
>>96849882i don't think it works that way, she doesn't have the default ability the player does of just freely changing methods around, for her it would be a difficult and dangerous thing to somehow interrupt her instinctive method equivalent and take up or add something else
>>96849891demonic cultivation is the stinky thing you condescend to when you don't have better options, to use it in CC when you can just take impossible power in other ways isn't a matter of mechanical advantage, you just want to be sadistic
>>96847892did Ajax become some sort of mix between a beast capable of cultivation and sentient artefact/droid?
>>96849872I suppose that if you take protagonist aura then Lyra will both awaken an actually primordial bloodline and get a method tailored to her draconic nature. This isn't even far fetched btw, it's just a slight upgrade compared to what she already has. If you compare her to someone like Yesod, Nalka, Ajax or even Alva she is MUCH stronger. Also, dick devourers can get a primordial bloodline for free if you take her as a nemesis.Hell, you could take her as an ally, use protagonist aura to boost her bloodline to primordial level, then just use mastermind to take it from her. I guess spending a GI slot on PE is a literal meme now.
>>96849882I'd say an energy gathering method to balance out her draconic physique. Given her softer personality Verdant or Heavenly would probably be best.
>>96849894She is just doing an instinctual method though, rather than anything developed. Also I wouldn't really expect them to find or develop their own unless you take Protagonist Aura.>>96849895I don't think there should be an issue changing what she is doing, unless she has been doing it wrong and damaging her foundation. I think she might lose some progress, but not that much. I don't think it'd be that different from introducing any random instinctual cultivator to the Path of Metamorphosis.
>>96849902TruthThe demonic path is the path of the talentless and desperate That's why it's the best one
>>96849707>>96849716Were you also the one that made that image build for Viz Volaire or something?
>>96849910Verdant is the best for her and it's not even close. Higher levels of RE, absurd regeneration and the power of life. It fits her personality too which means she will get insights on it more easily.
>>96849716>>96849707Not to be a downer, but you could've put all that effort into making OC.
>>96849929>Not to be a faggot but [irrelevant faggot post]
>>96849929yeah it's kind of absurd, if i had the will to do that much photoshop bullshit for a single build i probably wouldn't have like 20 stalled cyoa ideas that were technically viable but never got anywhere because i was too lazy to do the busywork
>>96849933Don't be rude anon, I didn't mean anything by it. I just find it a waste to see such graphical talent get wasted on image builds.
Best method: Machine TranscendenceSecond best method: Living ForgeAre you happy with this ranking?
>>96849949>he's still spamming
>>96849929>>96849938Such a sissy attitude, the fact that you're little bitches who can't put any efforts into something doesn't mean the rest of the world have to be little passive husk of a human as wellI for one i'm happy to read a well put image build, it's a nice change from the constant mediocrity running rampant in this website
>>96849938Are you the the writer anon who's struggling with editing in the last thread? you should do collab.
>>96849956I don't imagine more than like two or three people read builds other than the author.
>>96849955nah that's another guy, you can tell since he didn't mention talismanic in combination with those two like i do>>96849949i also wouldn't say any of those are better than the other, machine, forge, and talismanic are equal and work together in harmony in a build
>>96849956Image builds are Tok-coded and thus are worthy of contemp and ridicule.
>>96849973the three must be unified into the perfect craftchad method
>>96849929How about you make some OC? In a perfect world all builds would've been as high effort as this one.It's like you retards forget that making builds is the other half of the hobby. If authors put effort into making OC then maybe you should put some effort into making a build too. The anon that doesn't even bother to choose an image to illustrate his builds comes to mind.
>>96849969Exactly my point, this thread is in a pure lethargic state 24/7 and I find it pathetic>>96849975Shut up Tok you stupid bitch, nobody mentioned you, go back to your cave
>>96849949I think it's largely a matter of stylistic differences between the two.
>>96849985>praises image builds>rages against image build detractorsHello Tok
>>96849958No, I am that anon and I would be interested in a collab.
>>96849949I think Forge is better but I already explained why I think that 1000x times.
What am I actually supposed to do in these threads? Do you guys just hang around on IRC because I certainpy don't see people posting builds or picking fights on what's the best "build" or somesuch.
>>96850005We're arguing what the best builds are, just in a roundabout manner. This >>96849949 is a post designed to cause an argument between people who mained Machine and people who mained Forge
>>96849985What? why would tok call his image builds bad? are you ESL? do you know what "ridicule and contempt" mean?
>>96850003Your explanations are wrong. They're equally good. You can achieve the same sorts of things with them.
>>96849707Don't listen to the other anons, I think this is PEAK cyoag at its best.
>>96849707Your style is very aesthetically pleasing, reminds me a bit of Sandnigger, Hali and Havelthingy. Are any of them your inspiration by any chance?
>>96850021Forge is explictly stated to refine the artifacts you take within yourself. They are very similar but if there wasn't any distinction between them then there wouldn't be any reason for both of them to exist. Having 2 different methods that do the same shit with only flavor being the difference is retarded, he could've used energy to make a more unique method instead.
Someone post Danmachi
>>96849929TRVTH NVKE
>>96850044The distinction is that one prefers tech-based artifacts and the other prefers magical material-based artifacts. Having both in the same build is a synergy, as any artifact that is made out of both tech and magical material will be that much stronger, harmonizing with both.
>>96849707I wish you would make a high effort build for CC too, but I guess image builders have a tendency of only making builds for the more dense and complex cyoas.I appreciate it though, it's very easy on the eyes, I wish I had your editing skill.
>>96850044>>96850052There's still no clear difference on what tech (magical tech even) can and can't do and what magical artifacts can and can't do.
>>96850047WHY
>>96850052Take innovative and you can absorb any fucking artifact you want. Taking both is a waste of a method slot, you should be taking an energy gathering method to cover your bases.
>>96850016It seems you can't understand simple sentence like "Shut up Tok" or "Go back to your cave"It mean you must stop posting about yourself like the stupid attentionwhore you are since like I said, you were not mention in the topic and to get the fuck out.And if you're not tok and just one of his goonies, then the same advice apply to you, shut up and get fucked.bitch
>>96849633>methods Why does this cyoa attract so many readlets
>>96850058Artifacts can do whatever the fuck you want provided you have the knowledge, skill and materials to build them. Tech is a lot unclear though.
>>96850060pls
>>96850066Calm down nigger, lol.
>>96850063You don't take the methods to absorb artifacts. You absorb artifacts to empower yourself with your methods.
>>96850063>you can absorb any fucking artifact you wantWhat does this even practically do? Does it empower the artifact? Does it let you use the artifacts powers more quickly?
>>96847878>>96849707Make way for the best image build!
>>96850084
>>96850080It's your method of cultivation. You do it to empower yourself in general. Whatever the artifacts do is secondary, similarly to how whatever talismans you pick in talismanic or whatever mutations you pick in metamorphosis is secondary.By having three artifact-based methods, you just triple dip. Cultivation is faster, and its effects are stronger.
>>96850080Both.>armour, weapons, or artifacts are integrated into the greater whole to be used as extensions of the self, enhancing the equipment's effectiveness.
>>96850077Forge can use the abilities the artifacts have like they are your own, though?It's one of the reasons why Forge is so good, you can take LL and have artifacts for basically any situation incorporated into yourself. The trade off being that you need to reach mid level in the method before doing that. In low levels, you are only supposed to absorb materials, but even then it's fucking good becuase you have access to the best materials you could possibly find.
What happens if you absorb Dharma weapon?
>>96850091>doesn't mention actually extending the space of the body itselfIt's over, you can only absorb artifacts that physically fit into you and even then they literally become a part of your body instead of becoming some amorphous thing you can pull out whenever. Forge is the weakest method.
What happens if you post the Danmachi cyoa?
>>96850005>What am I actually supposed to do in these threads?Argue about science and magic (magic isn't science btw, only retards think that).
>>96850084>>96850087>cunnychad buildI take back everything bad I have said about you
thats a samefag btw
>>96850097Imagine having both mecha-forge-talisman along with LL.You first replace a bone in your body with a machine prosthetic. This empowers you through machine and makes the prosthetic a true part of you. Then you grab some materials and reforge the prosthetic with forge, because it's part of your body and forge does that. As you were doing those two things you also add in talismans for talismanic. All three methods are empowering your bone separately. You build your entire skeleton like this. You did the same thing to your skin and your organs before. You the benefits of all three methods concentrated into the same parts of yourself, and you can multitask parts of the cultivation which also saves time.
>>96850105It is implied, genius. Where do you think all the tons of materials you need to eat to progress with your method go to? It all becomes a part of yourself. You cannot become a "living armory" if you are only able to carry 5 swords within yourself.
>>96850100It becomes a part of you
>>96850121>Where do you think all the tons of materials you need to eat to progress with your method go to?They become your bones and flesh, as alloyed muscle, silver-laced nerves, and glass eyes. As is said in the first paragraph. It doesn't magically increase the space inside your body, it just replaces what's already there. You can't absorb a bajillion pieces of armor to have all their effects at once, you just absorb one suit to have it on permanently as an extension of yourself.
Minotaur's lair is free points. Third Eye literally gives you wallhacks, and Seventh Sense gives you danger sense. The luck blessing negates it entirely. >>96849633>social debuffLiterally crippling. Social buffs are the strongest abilities in the CYOA. Plotting ability and a silver tongue is the #1 thing that will get (you) ahead of the pack in a Xianxia setting.
>>96850129>>96850121it's not implied that you by default make expanded space inside yourself, but doing so is viable with artifacts anyway so it makes no difference
>makes artifact that lets me integrate other artifacts into my body without needing forge methodwhat now
>>96850130>The luck blessing negates it entirely.Rest in peace, brave yet foolish soul...>Social buffs are the strongest abilities in the CYOA.Nah, there are three distinct ways you can approach this CYOA, and they're about equal. Combat, crafting, or social. There are some ancillary approaches like stealth too, but you probably combine that with combat so it doesn't matter as much.>>96850137You integrate artifacts but it's not your method so you don't get the benefits of the method by doing so.
>Makes artifact that kills peopleSolved?
>>96850140>makes artifact that enhances all artifacts i integrate into myselfwhat now
>>96850119Or you could take Titan instead of Machine and be fuckhuge tank on top of that. There's too much overlap between Forge and Machine, I don't think it's ever worth it taking them together. If you wanna take Forge/Machine with Transcribe I think it's good, because Transcribe is completely different and very versatile. If so, why not take one of the energy gathering methods? Inferno seems to have really good synergy with Forge, but anyone of them would work.
>>96850143Still not as good if you just dabble in it. Eventually, if you keep doing this, you will develop an artifact-based method of your own making. It'll probably still suck if you don't have innovative or something.
>>96850146It's not overlap. They are literally orthogonal. The machine prosthetic is purely enhanced by the inclusion of magical materials in its composition. The magical materials are purely enahnced by being arranged in machine patterns.
>>96850131Try reading the method entry next time, I'm not arguing against something that is blatantly untrue.
>>96850148>artifacts can do anything bro! they're the strongest!>n-no, it can't do THAT, they can do anything but THAT. okay, MAYBE it can do it a little but not as good as my special method, okay???either you accept and agree that artifacts can do everything, including give you the full benefits of forge method without following it, or artifacts cant do everything
>>96850140>Combat, crafting, or socialIt's not an either or situation. Where are you getting this idea from?If you want to cultivate fast and obtain resources, you need to play people against each other.
>>96850131Sorry, meant to reply to this>>96850129 retard
>>96850159Anything can do everything. Taking it to the point of a method is more a question of making a method. You could have done the same shit you're doing here with elixirs or music or whatever the fuck.>>96850160It's not, you can combine all three, but you won't be as good at them as the guy who specialized.
>>96850156>seethingNot a single thing in Forge's description implies you have extra space in yourself for infinite artifact absorption. Sorry you misread it but it's not as strong as you thought.
>>96850170>being good at social shit magically makes you worse in combat (???)Are you retarded?
>>96850159Forge would make all those artifacts even better, so why not take the method too if you're gonna spec heavily into crafting anyway?
Danmachi is a cultivation cyoa if you really think about it
>>96850159Ok but if they can do anything why not just make them kill your opponent?Isn't that literally the entire point of combat?While you're spinning wheels and re-arranging rocks that move pebbles your rivals will be trying to kill youYou surely have seen nothing of life, to be so naive
threadly reminder that crafting is combat>>96850182CRAFTING IS COMBATCRAFTING IS COMBATCRAFTING IS COMBAT
>>96850177You're the one who said that. I said something closer to picking warhound instead of jade beauty will make you better at combat at the expense of social. And while you can pick both, you can't pick everything.
>>96850180Bait aside. The jrpg concept of exp probably comes from the concept of cultivation. I may even be retarded for saying probably rather than obviously. Sort of like how manga and anime tropes probably stem from shit like kabuki theatre.
>I can just make technology/an artifact that does this so it doesn't matterThis is why crafting shouldn't be added to cyoas
>>96850187Except there are a handful of blessings that increase your combat strength and everyone takes them all anyways.
>>96850194Kabuki is a fun word to say repeatedly desu
If anything, in the machine + forge + talismanic combo, it's talismanic that has a somewhat worse synergy. Machine + forge really are amazingly synergetic with each other. Talismanic just adds squiggles, it's additive. There's plenty of space for it so it doesn't get in the way.>>96850185See I was thinking about this and comparing it to the real world. In xianxia, it's presumed that everything flows into personal power. In the real world, the rich just kind of direct their wealth in all sorts of directions and waste a lot of it on nothing of any real value such as luxury.Just because we're in xianxia here doesn't mean crafting can't be used for things other than personal power.>>96850196They're readlets. A method technique is always better than external techniques or items.>>96850197Not at all. There are builds that whore crafting or social without taking them.
>>96850194Anon exp in jrpgs comes from prior rpgs, such as wizardry and prior to that from d&d.
>>96850172I know it takes a gargantuan effort on your part, but try reading the last sentence here, you subhuman retard.
>crafting a gunwaste of timeyou should have practiced mma
>>96850194>jrpgs invented expdurr
>>96850194No it fucking doesn't, it comes from blackmoorYou are on /tg/ right now
Japanese people thought combat was turn based irl before they got their shit pushed in by westerners
>>96850194It's the other way around. Cultivation as you see it is a very new genre, despite how it may look as something old. In actual taoist stories the things were a lot more esoteric and not as number heavy for obvious reasons.Jrpgs are actually inspired by western tabletop games. It's the reason why dq1 and final fantasy 1 have so many monsters ripped straight out if DnD.
>>96850211>>96850212Cultivation/Qi is legit EXP growth he’s 100% right on this one anon.
>>96850221>Cultivation as you see it is a very new genre, despite how it may look as something oldRetard. Cultivation can be traced all the way back to shamanistic practices.
>>96850222Oh yeah?!?!?!*Rapes you*
you can only craft furniture to sell at the bazaaryou aren't allowed to craft weapons
>>96850222No, in fact EXP is a bad analogy for cultivation because it makes anons make the wrong assumptions. Going up in cultivation realm isn't like leveling up, it's more like going from regular levels into epic levels in DnD, and that's just going from the first into the second realm.
>>96850209>he's genuinely incapable of readingThis only says you can shift your body around since it's made of amorphous living metal, not that it gives you infinite space in your body to store more stuff. Please work on your reading comprehension skills, there's a number of valid ways you could have argued your case without resorting to this embarrassment.
>>96850221Numbers and maths are translations for the sake of the out of character perspective, numb nuts. No one in character would say shit like “oh my god I’m 2,560 pts away from reaching ascended master status”, and it is for this reason that settings like danmachi are so retarded. However, the concept of inner alchemy, or consecutive growth and transformation, is the same.
>>96850210>waste of time you should have practic-AAACCCKKKKKKKReminder that a team of well trained and well equipped mundane mortals can kill a RE-05 shitter
>>96850248why does the femboy have a knockoff FAL
>>96850236>Going up in cultivation realm isn't like leveling up, it's more like going from regular levels into epic levels in DnDA level system is a level system. I don’t care how efficiently or inefficiently portrayed it is. In most not!DnD anime derivatives they rarely go above level 10, even though in Dee en Dee you can go up to level 20 and beyond.
>>96850256Yes, and because they never go anything past the first half of the first realm in cultivation terms, it's a really bad analogy that confuses far more than it clears up.
>>96850247Yeah instead they shit like "I'm 6 minor realms into the Qi Condensation stage" which just means level 16
>Going up in cultivation realm isn't like leveling up, it's more like going from regular levels into epic levels in DnDDo you faggots realize how cringe you sound right now >that’s not a level THIS is a level
>>96850260Nah it’s not a bad analogy at all. Asians just think this way. They legit think you can “level up” irl and that’s why concepts of inner alchemy took off over here. There were western counterparts but it was a lot less martially oriented and a lot more scholastically oriented.
>>96850265>a single level is the same thing as 20 levelsdurr
>>96850254SHE is in the JSDF and they're invading a fantasy world and returning to being a colonial empire
>>96850272It's such a bad analogy it's actually an illustration of just about all of the weird arguments we've had in this cyoa between people who get xianxia and those who are approaching it as western fantasy instead.
>>96850276Some tabletop rpgs are like that
itt: jelly authors their cyoa didn't get giga ultra effort image builds
>>96850229Spiritual meditation is completely different anon. People and stories from the past never claimed to level up their power in order to beat up gods and sects. They were ways to meditate and improve the self with a few mythical stories about reaching higher realms and attaining immortality. The steps of cultivation using qi as a power source is a completely made up concept and not very old.
>>96850289name onebtw they have to use the same word for both concepts, otherwise they aren't like that
>>96850284Sounds like a them issue. If you haven’t figured out the Asian psyche yet you’re sadly not equipped to survive the Asian century/millennium when China takes over and America becomes death.
>>96849929This.Then his OC could be only slightly less forgotten than his high effort image build.
>>96850296>Going up in cultivation realm isn't like leveling up, it's more like going from regular levels into epic levels in DnDNope. It can be traced back to ancient shamanistic practices where people let themselves get fucked/possessed by the spirits. It became more superficially artsy and sophisticated/pretentious from there. Same as how Norse sorcery was seen as a feminine magic since women would let themselves get fucked/taken over by the Norns. It’s believed to have originated from shamanistic beliefs, it’s so similar. The idea of getting taken over by ghosts and spirits exists all over the world. Even speaking in tongues, seances, etc, are all forms of this.
>>96850248>using the level 0 mook instead of rory the reaperNgmi
>>96850312>get fucked/taken over by the Nornswomen actually out here getting raped by their own delusions
>>96850298Mage Nobilis Exalted Scion Epic levels DnDOld school Mystara where max level players can ascend to god status I can go on
World of Darkness vampires are a form of cultivation. Just keep diablerizing.
>>96850276I love youCrash. Tssssnnnn. caw cawTwo travelers meet, salt in air, salt in heartTwo wanderers clash. face to face and worlds apartYour eyes do catch me, and in them I see, a blade, a glimmer a dreamWere I but a moment so I could have stayed, but I fall from the rigid beauties of a mind unworked, of a dream imprintedTwo of us met and I think I will miss you. You gleaming retard, you golden eyed fool.
>>96850336gay
>>96850296>The steps of cultivation using qi as a power source is a completely made up concept and not very oldNeidan.
How much RE to lower my vampire generation?
Magic is a form of cultivation. Just keep studying.
Technology is a form of magic. Just keep inventing.
>>96850341<3<3<3>>96850348About 10
Fucking your mom is a form of cultivation and everyone just keeps cultivating her.
>>96850005>What am I actually supposed to do in these threads?wait several months for OC that you're really into finish it in less than a dayget depressed that you can't do anything meaningful with your life like in the CYOAsrepeat until you die.
>>96850350Esotericism is all about self illumination. >>96850358Detached and impersonal cultivation. Technology advances but we do not. >>96850360We must cultivate better gene pools. Not worse.
>>96850371I feel your pain anon. That's why I always keep a few fresh OCs stashed for times of drought.
>We must cultivate better gene pools. Not worse.Ain’t happening
>>96850371Eventually you have read so many cyoas you can start doing old ones again as you have forgotten what is in them
>>96850384Eugenics is morally repugnant and all eugenicists will be put to death.
>>96850424Define eugenics. Soft or hard? Soft eugenics is just getting lucky that both of your parents were emotionally as well as genetically compatible specimens. Hard eugenics is forcing Chads to mate with Stacies.
>>96850424What is your opinion on incest?
>>96850320I know mage, exalted, and DnD are wrong here. In mage, arete isn't used in some larger superdivision. Essence in exalted is used as both power level and a unit of power for charms, but again there isn't some superdivision like epic levels attached to the term. In DnD, 1 level is not the same as 20 levels.
post cyberpunk 2077 cyoa
>>96850445shit setting
>>96850445I think the only ones are reddit interactives that may as well be anything else since they have all the anime powers and let you go wherever you want anyway.
>>96850443Lol. Cultivation and Asian culture has been cited as big influences on Exalted. Stop being pedantic.
>>96850456>>96850445There's a bunch of jumpchains for it but they all suck even more than the average jumpchain
>>96850459Asian culture, yes. Cultivation, not really. There's nothing much like cultivation in exalted except the process of going up tiers involving meditation. It doesn't have the more crucial elements of requiring extremely rare external resources and going up in essence doesn't multiply your power, it's just a small step. In exalted, the closest thing to going up a realm is a solar dying and becoming a deathlord. Otherwise nothing comparable exists.
>>96850443Epic levels in DnD often just mean levels above 20. It’s all relative.
>>96850470>Asian culture, yes. Cultivation, not reallyTake it up with the writers/authors. I don’t know why you’re typing so much cops here. A levelling system is a levelling system. You’re over complicating something so simple here.
>>96850471It's in the sense that all of the normal levels would be realm 1, and the epic levels would be realm 2.
>>96850477I don't need to? You're the one confused about this, not them.
>>96850470Your idea of cultivation is a bigger jump than most people. You’re speaking evolution. There are minute steps in cultivation processes as well as gargantuan ones. And yes Exalted has these massive jumps. Solars can transcend/block concepts. Mage absolutely has evolutionary jumps, and Archmages in Awakening technically aren’t human. They’re half-ascended monstrosities.
>>96850414>you can start doing old ones again as you have forgotten what is in themuh yeah man I totally haven't replayed the same CYOAs over and over again so many times that I lost count hahahaha
>>96850491I'm specifically talking about major realms. The minor realms would correspond to the DnD level. The major ones wouldn't.
>>96850484Your idea of a realm is weird. >>96850489Stay retarded I guess. Retards always argue.
>>96850484>realmAnother realm entirely or another state of being? Ascension might not actually be a good thing if it’s an as above so below sort of deal.
>>96850499You didn't even get the entire xianxia idea of realms. If you really wanted to force DnD levels into xianxia realms it would go something like this: Levels 1-20 are realm 1, levels 21-200 are realm 2, levels 2001- 2000 are realm 3. Etc. This is why the analogy from before is so bad. people don't understand what it means and are projecting normal levels onto it.>>96850505This reminds me, each realm also usually has an entry condition and cultivation is somewhat different inside it than it was in the previous realm. If in one realm you were cultivating your body, in the next it might be your soul instead.
>>96850424>Eugenics is morally repugnant and all eugenicists will be put to death.
>>96850443Mage is all about changing the self. Some can’t even ascend anymore because they took different directions.
>>96850519Okay? That doesn't mean xianxia-style realms exist there.
>>96850371it wasn't always like this. I remember back in 2016/18 when we had shit like Space Refugee Adventure and people would essentially make spinoffs, one was even a pseudo-faction based CYOA where the point was you were building your own fleet/national entity and each of the factions had something to offer, you could even dedicate to one entirely.
>>96850456>>96850462you stupid retards hyeanon made one. post that one
>>96850532I bet it sucked if i dont remember it
>>96850384>Detached and impersonal cultivation. Technology advances but we do not.Just become technology lolYou ARE a techchad right?
>>96850532That was not a cyberpunk 2077 cyoa, it was it's own setting. It was also horrible miseryporn where the only right move is not to play and everyone shat on him for it.
>>96850551Oh he meant that one>>96850532Retard
>>96850551>everyone shat on him for ithistorical revisionism, i was actually there and reception was good.
>>96850498If you’re talking jumps that big, then mortals can and do become gods, in several DnD settings.
>>96850513>Levels 1-20 are realm 1, levels 21-200 are realm 2, levels 2001- 2000 are realm 3. Etc. This is why the analogy from before is so bad. people don't understand what it means and are projecting normal levels onto it.That’s autistic Reddit cultivation terminology lul. In history it wasn’t nearly that cringe, it was just the betterment of the soul. Inner alchemy. This followed into Buddhist logic, and humans had better chances of reaching Buddhahood than actual gods due to their humility.
>>96850424>genelet getting uppity
>>96850527>xianxia-style realmsSee this is your issue. You think cultivation is all xianxia anime capeshit bullshit. It’s not, and it originated as something more humble and self reflective. Meditational. Mystical. Fuck your focus on autistic martialism. Combat wasn’t the actual goal.
Less bitching more cyoa.
>>96850561No it was not, like almost all of his cyoas it sucked.
>>96850551>>96850559>That was not a cyberpunk 2077 cyoaIt literally was thoughbeit.>but he didn't say-It uses "choom", uses Cyberpunk's currency, and has Cyberpunk groups like Militech and MaxTac. It's a Cyberpunk 2077 cyoaAnd don't say that it was ackshually a Cyberpunk 2020 cyoa
>>96850541Real techchads know the flesh is just as useful as iron. Biotech.
>>96850599
>>96850513>he thinks he’s stepping into another realm entirely rather than existing completely differently Lol
>>96850613
A lot of anime and jrpg tropes come from their religious and spiritual beliefs I thought you were all weebs? Shouldn’t you know this?
>>96850622
>>96850600https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/93949133/#93951126General reception was good, with 6 builds on release thread. Most negative posts were anons whining about AI.This observation is incongruent with your assertion that reception wasn't good.Verdict: Anon is lying out his ass, most likely a newfag trying to fit in
>>96850632
>>96850569It's not the size of the jumps specifically, it's the exponential layers of jumps.
>>96850633>this was a fucking year agowhere did the time go....
>>96850598We're talking about xianxia first and cultivation second, not the other way around. This is a xianxia-based CYOA.
>>96850633The art is so bad I would've preferred if it was entirely just text. Actually fucking disgusting.
>>96849707Nice build; it has great editing and was fun to read.
Doesn't xianxia eventually get into those retarded power levels like a TroyX cyoa or something? Eventually you start flinging galaxies around effortlessly and shit. This is the only thing stopping me from playing CC desu. I really like the style and checked out the Grand Inheritance page, but the powerscaling just isn't for me.
>>96850669surinical makes aislop and no one complainshyeanon makes aislop and everyone loses their mindswhy the double standards
>>96850693Yes. In CC that would be 10+ though.
>>96850697Because everything surinical makes is trash, it has no potential, so nobody cares either way.
>>96850697there isn't, you're just ignoring the response to one and looking at the otherwasn't surinical responsible for the most god awful example of ai in all of cyoa?
I love surincal
>>96850697Surikino mastered his craft, while I think that's the first time Hyeanon used aislop in his cyoas. Its a legitimate skill issue.
>>96849372I know this is a look into a very specific cultural era and all, but I really find it hard to believe that at any point it was considered 'high brow' to sit in a cheap, hard plastic chair over something with an actual cushion.
>>96850693Yes Xianxia upper power levels is basically playing Living God.
>>96850724kind of depends, not all of them go into omniversal unrestrained conceptual bullshit
>>96850716>surikino mastered his craftIf his "craft" is making the most bottom of the barrel reddit cyoas, then yes, I would agree.
>>96850708>wasn't surinical responsible for the most god awful example of ai in all of cyoa?You would be wrong, most Surinical cyoas are pleasing to the eye and thought-provoking, people who seethe about them simply do so for the sake of hating the use ai itself, not their content.
>>96850693Yes in that usually the actual endpoint is damned near omnipotence. However the journey there can stay far more grounded than one would expect for that. Like sometimes you have the story go from a mortal world, to an immortal world, and then onto the next world, and so on. Each time the power level increases, but the effect is a reset. Where someone at the absolute top of the mortal world able to raise and shatter mountains with a wave of their hand, is just a guy in the immortal world unable to break rocks without tools. That guy would be able to shatter the mortal world without effort as an immortal, but in that immortal world he is effectively the same as a normal mortal in the mortal world.
>>96850741This is why the Three Thousand Worlds must be congealed into one, xianxia has too much multiverse sloppa.
>>96850737>Actual Author who makes OC vs Seething Whinefag Leech.It pretty clear who I prefer.
Post good Suririnical cyoas
>>96850760Which one? the fantasy wildest west cyoa is what comes to my mind.
>>96850693I'd prefer a Romance of the Three Kingdoms CYOA instead. Highest power level is ruling a small state (large country to anyone who isn't in China) and being able to take on eight people at once in a physical battle
>>96850755I don't remember asking you to choose anything. Keep eating that low quality slop while I concern myself with true kino.
>>96850774bro why would we put up with inane chinese bullshit if we aren't getting godlike power
>>96850777I'm just pointing at that even the shittiest OC-maker is far more valuable than no-value seethefags like you.
>>96850774That sounds boring, I bet you still have to shit in a hole and eat and all that other miserable garbage.
>>96850770Post anything you like, I wanna check out his work and see for myself. I remember him being debated here before but I never took the time to actually go through one of his cyoas. I mostly didn't like the way they looked, but if you vouch for it, I will give it a try.
>>96850774based /his/chad. if only thistlewaite was still here>>96850780>>96850786cringe newchurls, the pestilence of cyoag
>>96850774I'm more of a Journey to the West fan myself, high power levels and epic fights but without cultivation or Xianxia faggotry in general.
>>96850790Back in my day low power meant getting sent to an island with a rape monster and the only thing you had to fight him with was a rusty knife and a glowy rock. It sucked.
>>96850774>being able to take on eight people at once in a physical battleThat's insanely superhuman. Is Lu Bu taking archaic trenbolone or something?
>>96850802'Twas kino actually. Shame that those cyoas don't get made anymore. It's only power fantasy slop from here on out.
/CYOAG/ has degenerated and anon below is to blame
>NOOOO IF I CAN'T DESTROY A PLANET WITH A PUNCH THEN I'M NOT PLAYING IT!!!!!!powerfags, everyone
>>96850807Nah it sucked. It wasn't realistic to win so you had fat anons bragging about how they'd become knife fighting gods or somehow trick the rape monster into falling into a punji trap, it was all delusion.
>>96850802Sounds like a /trash masochist cyoa, I think they are still made to this day
>>96850817>He is unaware of the island CYOA era
>>96850803Maybe he was one of those tall chinese in a land of malnourished manlets.
>>96850814>>96850817newfag entropiss reddit-tourists
>>96850817I bet you're the surinicalfag too, no one else is this retarded and new
>>96850826There were multiple of them? In my head they just merged into one ambigious blob
>>96850830>Actually remember when these CYOAs came out>Um you're a newfag because um...Retard.
>>96850787Just check the all-sync anon. ps: the longer ones are the best.
>>96850813that's my price for putting up with chinese nonsense, take it or leave it
>>96850828>+320lb aryan beast clad head-to-toe in steel fighting malnourished jurchenI could maybe see an 8:1 ratio in an edge-case like that, but that's assuming flat terrain.
>>96850780>>96850786>>96850803because having ten concubines, 4 eunuch advisors, a general who's defeated entire thousands of rebels, a palace made of metric shit-tons of jade and gold, an army made up of diehard loyalists, an entire nation under your thumb that you can enforce the most despotic and draconian rule over, humiliating your enemies by decimating their armies, executing their generals, sleeping with their wives, then publicly torturing them, and being considered a living god by the populace centuries after you've died is considered the closest thing to being a real life god as you can get. If you hate it being specifically china, swap only a few described things here and you can have a Roman/Macedonian ruler CYOA instead.
>>96850851The "aryan" beast still loses because he's quickly exhausted from weighting as much as a fucking cow.
>>96850813If only they'd just shut up and skip the cyoa, but no, they have to whine and and throw tantrums about it as loudly as possible too.
>>96850854>because having ten concubines10 random ugly chinese lower nobility girls with shaved eyebrows and rotten teeth, yippie.>4 eunuch advisors4 backstabbing gay men with no bladder control who want to kill me, yippie.>A general who's defeated thousands of rebelsThe guy who is going to stage a rebellion and kill me because he has the support of the military and the eunuchs, yippie.>A palace made of metric shit-tons of jade and goldA wooden house without any toilets but it has fancy decorations I don't care about, yippie.>An army made up of diehard loyalistsTo the general. Yippie.>An entire nation under your thumbFull of ugly starved peasants riddled with parasitic diseases who don't bathe. Yippie.
>>96850863What kind of anemic cows are you herding? Plenty of linebackers, strongmen, etc. are around that weight. Being that heavy and still athletic is a rare outlier but you'd need to be to fight eight men at once.
>>96850854Nah romans were too treacherous for my liking, not that the Chinese weren't, but the romans gave them a run for their money. In China if you made it to the top you're set for life, as long as you don't go full retard and start drinking lead.
>>96850882You forgot to factor in "clad head-to-toe in steel", do you know how fucking a steel armor fit for a +320lb man is?
>>96850863your average Macedonian phalangitai was expected to carry a 8 meter or longer sarissa, linthorax armor, a full iron and bronze helmet with visor, a solid iron 74 centimeters in diameter shield, a kopis/felcata/xiphos sword with leather sheath, a ivory horn of water or wine, greaves and a small wrapping of string and cloth of food as well as a purse for coin. Said aryan beast conquered 1/3rd of the world and was knocking on the doors of India, China, and southern Hungary.
>>96850871>catfag is a jewSomehow, I've always known this. In my heart of hearts.
>>96850836Surincal is mediocre good enough to consume nothing too spectacular, been reading cyoas for 7-8 years, but sure I am new to 4chan been here for only a few months, I do find your seething quite amusing though
>>96850871I was supporting you until the webm revealed you're jewish.
>>96850846Nta but god forbid you post a cyoa you like on the cyoa general huh
>>96850871BASED muslim hating gatto
>>96850896That's around 30 pounds? Factoring his blade, shield, and overall equipment. Not too bad with proper weight distribution and a lifetime of conditioning. Granted, he couldn't fight all day with it but historical knights didn't, or march to battle when they could ride.
>>96850871Do jews actually believe this cope
>>96850897>*Collapses in less than 10 years*
>>96850649Yeah and all those layers are relative. Especially if you’re skipping some without realizing it.
>>96850920I can't anon, I'm range banned :(
>>96850931"Homogeneous all the way through"Anyway shitposters can't be let sink as low as politicaly bait
>if I can’t throw around universes it’s not cultivation Oh fuck off
>>96850932That was due to an internal civil war, and the various Diadochi realms lasted for centuries afterward.
>>96850942>imagines an argument he doesn't like>gets mad at his own imagination
>>96850928>30 poundsAnon I said steel, not fucking cardboard. Even regular armors not made for +320 lbs behemoths weight more than 40+ pounds.
>>96850931Not really, but they want you to believe it and that's all that matters to them.
>>96850948The mind of a seether is a mysterious thing.
Reminder that communists with guns btfo’d cultivation obsessed shaolin monks because physics doesn’t give a fuck
>>96850961>with gunsYep, there's the kicker. Guns > all
>>96850948It's like a cat fighting his own reflection Kinda of cute actually
>>96850961Commie propaganda, the reds go annihilated by the Mountain Shattering Heavenly Immortal taking a casual stroll.
>>96850951I was thinking your standard chestplate, helmet, vambraces, and greaves. Fairly proportionate to the tech level of the 8 men he'd be arrayed against, not full-throttle late medieval plate.
>>96850932>lasts two-hunded and two yearsfixed that for you, turdworlder.
>>96850961This is why Fated Shot is the STRONGEST method.
>>96850967>*jobs to infighting and backstabbing each other like jews*
>>96850968um no sweaty, there's magical powers here that make it equal to all the others okay?
>>96850961This just shows that the external world (external alchemy) outweighs the internal self (internal alchemy).
>>96850961Really Cultivation has never been tried
>>96850980This is why the west came out ahead. They were more realistic and pragmatic with nature. Their heads weren’t as stuck in the clouds—or at least their feet were firmly planted in the earth when they did so.
>>96850975This already gives me luminary flashbacks where Rake just said every power is equal, I guess Luminary was also a cultivator setting with power levels
>>96850980Really? I thought that it shows that the Chinese were backwards delusional retards due to 2000+ years of Confucian anti-intellectualism?
>>96850971the first actual conflict between Rome and Greece was Phyrrus of Epirus raping them so much he was running out of men.
>>96850986It’s been tried for thousands of years. All the way from Greece to China.
Some people mentionned posting older shitHere we go
>>96851005>*Jobs to pottery thrown by a grandma from her balcony*
>>96851003The Chinese had superior or more durable social systems in place, hence their generally longer running cultural streaks. They definitely stagnated due to this. They never really diverged. They did not think the outside world could catch up to them. They still thought the western world spoke Latin a thousand years after this equals/contemporaries the Romans collapsed.
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>>96851006>anon thinks Cultivation is real.
They still thought the western world spoke Latin a thousand years after their* equals/contemporaries the Romans collapsed.Not even joking, either. The Chinese had such a low opinion of the outside world.
>>96851010>he thinks Harbinger is old cyoa
>>96850986trvth nvke
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>>96851022Whether something is real or not doesn’t deter humans from believing in things and then attempting them.
>>96851022You're speaking to matterjeet, the guy who believes in hocus pocus like aliens, witchcraft and zionism.
>>96851023>jobs to horse riding rapists
>>96851010I think they were talking about actually older shit.
What’s interesting is how similar Rome and China are at thresholds. One side stuck together while the other fractured. The one that stuck together stagnated over time while the one that fractured had competitive bursts that put them ahead.
>>96851025It's not ancient but 5 years isn't really recent either
Stone-Titan Ascent has primarily defensive powersFated Shot only has offensive powersWhich one wins? The Immovable Object or the Unstoppable Force?
>>96851033Don't reply to me again until you stop being autistic.
>>96851038You clearly fear him.
>>96850599I like (hate) how the cyoa at the end heavily encourages ignoring the starting section.
>>96851050>>96851050Unironically whichever one is using the most RE. When it comes to match ups like that it's just a matter of RE behind the attack.
The Chinese did NOTHING with their sparkly boom boom powder. Caucasians did what Asians did but better.
>>96851011VGH, why must you bruise my heart so?
>>96851050Titan and it's not even close. FSD real strength isn't exactly it's damage output (which is admittedly top tier) but it's range. If you want to compare real offense vs. defense than you should compare Titan with Inferno.
>>96851044Ok what's the bare minimum for something to be consider old then?
>>96851074Before the first time I came here, so like 13 years or something like that.
>>96851074I'd say closer the the first cyoa threads here on /tg/ than to current day.
>>96851055Yes I do, I don't want to get raped by poopdick.
>>96851069>Inferno pure destructive potential outpaces that of almost any other>Fated Shot offensive potential far outstrips other MethodsI don't understand, which one is deadlier ?
>>96851044this cyoa is so old it predates cyoag and nobody who posts it today remembers you're supposed to put part of the rules into the text of your post
>>96850599>take the basics>two out of the four careers are made redundant in their upgradesit's much too giving, babymode even.
>>96851099Whichever you like better.
>>96851038Maybe matterjeet and xianxiajeet really are the same person.
>>96851099AoE verses single target damage
>>96851099inferno says almost any other. fated shot doesnt have that almost stuff. therefore, fated shot is lethaler. but inferno is more destructive. if you cannot understand the distinction you're just ngmi.
>>96851044I'm still looking for sauce to Succubus Scarlet Johansson looking girl.
>>96851100I literally just grabbed something from my Island cyoa folder without really looking.
>>96851130I was gonna pick the techpriest but he's gayGoddamn it
>>96851120>have to literally tear out one of your eyes to use one of the options>doesn't have any guarantee you dont die from blood loss or infection from doing thisAaaah, good old ancient /cyoag/.
>>96851099Inferno is stronger because it actively corrodes defenses and burns through literally anything.FSD can snipe people across dimensions with the proper set up. This is why one is referred as "destructive" while the other is refered as "offensive".
>>96851074anything from 2018 and backwards.
You can't defeat a Titan if you're a FSDfag, but an ACITfag could possibly defeat a Titan.
>>96851163>headcanon
>>96851163>You can't defeat a Titan if you're a FSDfagYou just need a bigger gun. At some point you need a gun bigger than a mountain, but a big enough gun should do the job.
You all job to me no matter what.
>>96851183>matter....
>>96851167Are you allergic to making arguments? You post the same nonsense to every post you disagree with.>>96851176I supposed, but at that point you're not actually relying purely on the method anymore. I don't know how what I said is controversial ACIT only real strength is it's ability to deal damage while FSD has a massive range advantage over almost any other method. Of course ACIT would be stronger damage wise, if you believe that all methods are supposed to be equal in overall strength.
>>96851211low effort blatantly wrong claim gets low effort reply
Cultivation just means growth =\
>>96851244yeah, in about the same way western just means a direction and space opera just means singing with a lot of room
>>96851255Westernism denotes western excellence coming out ahead of the rest. This is why Europe is a continent even though it just shouldn’t be. Those who come out ahead get the special benefits and the special recognition. An opera denotes a cheesy and dramatic theatrical narrative. In this case, it’s in space. Singing is just a part of it.
>>96851146better yet take the 1.6 version. Sad there isn't a 1.7 but it was a different age then now.
>>96851277i meant western in the spaghetti western sense, and the fact that you misunderstood is just fucking perfect for this discussion lmao
Europe is a continent the same way India is a subcontinent lul
>>96851286Nah you just suck at words.
>>96851306wow, what an eloquent sentence
>>96851312You are absolutely abysmal at semantics.
>>96851290it is a subcontinent of subhumans. Hence the term subcontinent.
I’ve seen global images of shit leaving India and entering the ocean and it scares me … like a big red wave …
>>96851340IRL poxwalkers and nurglings, with China and Israel being Tzeentch.
>>96851352Only post-Mao has China converted back to Tzeentch. The man had lice crawling out of his ass crack. His neglect for so many led to the worst famine in history. Mothers trading each other their children so they wouldn’t have to eat their own.
>>96851225I accept your concession.
Why do the Chinese claim such high IQs when they did the absolute dumbest shit in the last century? > gee wiz, who would have thought killing all of our sparrows would lead to tens of millions starving to death? we killed all of our smart people years earlier
>>96851398The Chinese are consistently brained people, but, they don’t think divergently or as critically as white people. They aren’t as passionate or as aggressive as Arabs. Their ambition isn’t as potent. They want to keep things consistent and unchanging purely. Why shake the boat? This was the nature of their ways. Sort of like elves. They say they are wise but as soon as another race comes along their wisdom is put to the test. It fails them. It’s too late to change. A period of humiliation ensues. They catch up by becoming what they didn’t want to be. They embrace the culture of their former leaders and are an unrecognizable face. They butchered the old ways, their old culture, and adopted a system made by someone not their own. Someone entirely foreign. Damn you Marx.
>>96851398Everyone alive now are the descendants of those smart enough to find food, so maybe it balances out?
>>96851398They cheat in tests (and don't have imported browns bringing down the average score).
>>96851431>They embrace the culture of their former leaders and are an unrecognizable face. They embrace the culture of their former lessers* and are an unrecognizable face.Because let’s face it. Communism isn’t what the Chinese should have adopted for a goal.
>>96851450It actually really pisses me off that some funny bearded German influenced China so hard for the worse. Everything good in China right now is in spite of the fact.
>>96851398Mao instated his worst policies like that when he was old and going insane with dementia. That's less a 'y chinese' thing and more the consequences of having a cult of personality around your absolute ruler. As soon as he was gone and Deng was in charge he undid all the really dumb shit.
Communism will never work because we are too self centred and selfish and we’re not treating each other like a family. One could argue humans are too divergent to conform to such a standard. We’re far too wired to survive on the individual basis. It is in our very natures to want to come out ahead of others. Pretending to want for a commune is a way to come out ahead.
>>96851486Okay but the amount of Chinese that worshiped Mao was unreal. You don’t like mangoes? You are fucking DEAD. Mao didn’t even like mangoes he just dropped them off because he didn’t want them.
>>96851502Yes cults of personality are crazy, but all humans are susceptible to that shit.
>>96849549Parasite and Valuable remain the worst, with Doomsayer now joining them since you are announcing yourself to the entire world as someone that needs to be killed. Nemesis, Frog in a well, Pseudo-Fallen, and Uninhibited Power continue to be memed as being much worse than they are by either trolls or readlets, im not sure which. >>96850897These guys were like 5'5. What you are describing is a normal soldiers kit.
>>96851515All humans are susceptible to falling for fads? Jumping on the bandwagon? Being a part of something? The fear of missing out? People join cults and religion to feel a sense of belonging and social support. Just don’t be retarded anon. It’s not hard. It’s only hard for most of the human race. Think for yourself.
>>96851531What's the point in telling me about the danger when I'm clearly already aware?
>>96851531Priests are just another kind of politician. They see faith as a leash. All cult leaders are the same way.
>>96851490that's not a communism or autocracy issue, that's a people issueyou could make the same argument against capitalism or democracy and you'd be right
>>96851579I’d argue it’s phenomenally more easy to make capitalism work than communism. We are however entering the dark end stages of capitalism.
very nice cyoa discussion
>>96850854>humiliating your enemies by decimating their armies, executing their generals, sleeping with their wives, then publicly torturing them, and being considered a living god by the populace centuries after you've diedNo anon would do this
>>96851663Certainly not for lack of desire, lmao.
>>96851592Every political or economic system has a shelf life, it seems. Communism, however, is completely stillborn.
So this is the golden age I was promised?
>>96851579People are inherently, genetically, against communism. We aren’t bees. A society run by women would be even worse.
>>96851668NTRfags don't count
>>96851684This is the thread you deserve.
>>96849907Yes
My gf just discovered my interest in cyoas and now she’s mad
>>96851663I would, except the torture part. I don't like torture, even enemies deserve a quick clean death, unless they did something absolutely abhorrent.
>>96851715why
>>96851715Quick show her some pill picker to calm her down!
>>96851715>My gfdoubtful
>>96851715You cheated her with waifus in cyoas, you get what you deserve when she leaves.
>>96851724“It’s unhealthy and I’m right here”>>96851731She’s already on pills
>>96851734This is why. If you still read waifu cyoas or fantasize about waifus, when you have an actual girlfriend, you have problems.
>>96851721You say this as if you would not be the one getting executed. Ancient societies were hellholes compared to modernity.
>>96851741>“It’s unhealthy and I’m right here”Are you retarded
>>96851741>She’s already on pillsWell its your fault for getting with a pill-popper, now you face the consequence.
>>96851741Show her Trashsword, if she's a fujo the dirty old man aspect should appeal to her.
>>96851759>have a real unironic irl gf >pretend to have a fictional gf at the same timeWhat the fuck is wrong with anon
>>96851741>“It’s unhealthy and I’m right here”Wtf did she mean by this? Can she provide an engaging, thought-provoking story with carefully curated art? Can she let you shoot the shit with the bros and argue over which fictional ching chong martial arts method is strongest? No, she cannot. You have needs that are not being met, and she has no right to tell you to stop
>>96851689>A society run by women would be even worse.you don't say
If you can’t understand why a woman would be upset that her boyfriend is fantasizing about a different woman than her, then you are sadly socially retarded.It’s like crying out a different name during sex. “Who the FUCK is Suzy??”.
those evil w*men want you to STOP playing cyoas, STOP having fun, and wageslave MORE to support their spendthrift lifestyle
>>96851741there's definitely something unhealthy for you in this context, but it's surprisingly not your fantasy hobby on the internetrun while you still can, retard
>>96851813she's just being an emotional leech and attention slug, it's not complicated
>>96851814My old geography teacher (a woman) got red faced when I played this video in class. https://m.youtube.com/shorts/x_OQKDzvLdII still remember her face ten years later.
>>96851759>>96851813>>96851814>>96851829Real chudcel hours.
>>96851842this didnt happen
>>96851842Okay but how is he wrongWomen in charge would start invasions over the pettiest shit guaranteed
>>96851859You’ve never encountered a radicalized feminist teacher in the 2010-2015 period? Really? You are beyond fortunate. These witches indoctrinated their classrooms.
>>96851862no, they would start a karen revolution, convince you that saying retard and nigger online is bad, and start censoring porn and video games via bank manipulation>>96851858>nooo, he should be happy he's in an abusive relationshipyou aren't helping anyone
Story time? One of my female teachers unironically told us that women were smarter than men and the one male student who argued back got sent out of the room
If women have such better sense of smell/taste why aren’t they the top chefs? Why is it always men? Is this proof that men are just better even with less?
>>96851813>Can she let you shoot the shit with the bros and argue over which fictional ching chong martial arts method is strongest?One. None of you here are worthy of being called friends. Two. Ching Chang Chong debates are for children who have yet to grow up.
>>96851934>None of you here are worthy of being called friends;____; anon y
>>96851946You would betray me for more power if you could.
>>96851965isn't that what friends are for?
Should I post my OC or wait till the shitposting dies down?
>>96851985Post it. There's a lot of shitposting because there's a lot of activity.
>>96851985there's never any sense in waiting, i don't know why some people do itmaybe they don't know the secret that you can post it in this thread and also in the next? who knows
>>96851985These are the hours the shitposters are active but it should only be a while. Post it in a couple hours if you don't want to do it now.
>>96851985Dew it. OC is the shitposter-killer.
>>96852046shitposters are the same as buildmakers, you post oc and you can suddenly transform themat least as long as the cyoa is good, if it's bad they'll just stay shitposters
>>96851985Post it when the next thread starts
>>96852070wish mine did something funny like that, if i try to feed him something there's just a 50% chance it'll fall to the groundthough i guess i did teach him to shake my hand
>>96851975Friends are like “this isn’t you, anon, don’t do this!” when I get suddenly get access to the Accursed Evil Gem Sword— when it clearly chose ME and not them. So are they truly my friends for not wanting me to reach my fullest potential?
>>96852120I'm glad that you can see your relationship is accursed and evil.
>>96852120Anon that sword is causing blood to leak from your eyes. It’s causing the souls of the damned to scream in unison anon.
>>96852137Don’t care. It said nice things to me.
>>96852151I'm pretty sure they can pay you a whore to do that and more the next town over.
>>96852132A non toxic relationship consists of friends who don’t hold you back and want you to reach your best.
>why yes anon I totally support you wanting to become the literal baby eating dark lord don’t let anyone else tell you that you don’t have what it takes
>>96852182Sometimes that involves pointing out red flags for what they are.
>>96852187This but unironically is what true friends are for.
>don’t you make fun of my wizard friend you son of a bitch>just because they roll people into balls for no reason doesn’t mean they are evil okay
Sellen....
>>96851858>whiteknighting for someone else's womanYou're 100% a jeet
>>96852226>>96852233I’m still not entirely convinced that ER isn’t a comedy game, and it just doesn’t want you to know this
>>96852259It’s 100% a comedy fantasy world, anon. The amount of dead bodies in piles at random moments is so absurdly grimderp it makes me chuckle every time. “This will make it edgy!”.
>>96852259The rolling goats didn’t make that obvious for you? The Fingers and the Lands Between being a metaphor for touching vagina wasn’t obvious enough for you?
Where the fuck is the OC anon promissed? He wouldn't lie to us... right?
Elden ring was made in consideration of all the loveless virgins out there who’ve never interacted with women or the outside world, hence “touch grace”, lul
>>96852226>>96852233>>96852259>>96852275>>96852288What are you talking about? What the fuck is an ER?
>>96852301Shhhhhut up. Shush. Shhhhush your mouth, sir. >>96852307Ignore the slander of what is perhaps the best game ever made.
>>96852301>lulYou have to go back faggot
>>96852307The upcoming Elden Ring cyoa oc
>>96852317lel
>>96852292next thread. make thread now
Waifu Souls
Slay boss monsterClaim their soul Make it waifu
Slay boss monsterClaim their soul Make it a weapon
Slay headcanonClaim headcanonMake headcanon babies
Slay boss monsterSlay boss monstersSlay boss's monsters
GaslightGatekeepGirlboss
I'm so bored I would slaughter every single anon itt for a measly dopamine hitIt's over
>>96852288>>96852301Extremely derranged
>>96852496>he said to matterjeet
>>96852507>jeet Suddenly its all clear to me
>>96852431>>96852452>>96852469Surinical made a cyoa about this very concept, I thinks its called Slay, Siphon, Shackle. And its not AIslop for those care about that
>>96852489Chaotic milkI like cheese
>>96852489omega milk, just keep making yourself younger
>>96851151>Mercenaries BladeWhy? because its the only fucking sword that comes with the ability to use it.
>>96852489Omega Milk is easily the strongest option. You instantly become peak human, physically speaking, with perfect disguise abilities and immortality. If you aren't killed immediately you can even alter your body back to a healthy state.You could even try to enhance yourself beyond human limits by perfectly altering your body to fit with cybernetic interfaces.
>>96852489>milk of space (god I miss sana)I could save so much money by not paying for a home/rentnatural milk is a close second place but I would 100% get kidnapped and tortured for tears in 1 year at most
>>96852601just like that time in my chain of isekai build when i lost my physical brain so i rearranged a laptop and put that in my head
>>96852496>>96852507>>96852516He’s not wrong thoMiyazaki is a hack
Sylen I’m still mad you won’t let us be mages PLEASE MAKE A MAGE DLC
>>96852559>>96852601immortality isn't achievable with the omega milk since you can't alter your brain, you can't make it younger, you can't heal yourself
>>96852649It only says you can't alter it to increase intelligence, not that you can't alter it otherwise.
>>96852647Why? Because you want to be God?
>>96852647I suggested that he include an Unnatural Embrace that enhances affinity for Blood Sorcery and hints at the possibility of ascension to mage if one is cured from vampirism. Sadly he ignored me.
>>96852647Because it’s about vampires not wizards>>96852669I’ve yet to see evidence that God is a mage in canon >>96852670He ignored you because you’re retarded
>>96852647>>96852670The entire point of being a vampire is that you're cursed, why would he let you turn into a mage, ignoring the lore, and thus overcome the curse from the evil Celestine that's preventing you from ever reaching your true divinity?
>>96852682>I’ve yet to see evidence that God is a mage in canonIt’s 100% canon.
You can tell the Matterjeet is some old fag boomer for his ability to cite mage like the bible; which makes complete sense once you remember that magefags are the most hated wod bunch by far
>>96852489Take chaotic and essentially experience the benefits of all others
>>96852704>>It’s 100% canon.>Posts archmage spheres that have been decanonized
>>96852661If you want to play semantic with me then it didn't say you could heal yourself, make yourself younger or become immortalAnd he did say you can't overcome the limit of a human being, death is the hard limit of anything alive.What now niggerman?
>>96852726It’s scary how stereotypically insufferable Magefags are. They HAVE to be the biggest pieces of shit imaginable in play. They can’t not point out they they can turn vampires into bags of flaming dog poo. It’s like their mantra or something.
>>96852489How does milk of time actually work?
>>96852682>He ignored you because you’re retardedThat's not nice :(
>>96852734You can't prove a negative. It says "You can alter" then tells you specifically what you can't alter, meaning the logical conclusion is that is your only limitation.
Why do call everyone that you disagree with matterkike or matterjeet or matterbitch
>>96852758That guy lives rent free in their brains. He has literally bored holes into their brains, turning it into Swiss cheese.
What are your favorite wuxia CYOAs?
>>96852686>why would he let you turn into a mage, ignoring the lore, and thus overcome the curse from the evil Celestine that's preventing you from ever reaching your true divinity?My nigga golconda does exactly everything you said except turning into mage, but by that point you already have as much of a chance to ascend as anybody else, difference is you know that Ascension is real and have taking major steps towards it.
>>96852788Golconda also deletes your vampire powers. You're asking to keep your vampire powers but also be a mage.
>>96852489I'm surprised at the amount of anons taking chaotic milk, not only are you gambling your power for the month but you have then at less than half their strength so it's nowhere near as impressive as only having one of theminstead of having perfect memory you can (some months) kind of remember stuff better instead of having a 5 star luxury hotel you gets a shitty cottage with just water and electricity that kicks you out when the month passesinstead of having super healing tears they just cure colds and minor stuffetc
>>96852758Because it’s ALWAYS him
>>96852786Wasn't there an anon working on one? I don't think there are many of those
>>96852800>You're asking to keep your vampire powers but also be a mage.No I didn't, you just pulled that out of your ass just now. I'm actually completely fine with it.
>>96852820A third as powerful is nowhere near as bad as you're purporting it to be. In case of natural milk you would probably just need more tears to heal the important stuff. Time is nerfed but still useful. Omega would probably let you do the same alteration, but there would be cooldowns and it probably wouldn't be instantaneous. Space would still give you something decent instead of the penthouse. Owl would improve your memory considerably and still let you forget stuff as normal. All of those seem like still good enough to me.
>>96852800>Golconda also deletes your vampire powers.Well, you'd keep your Assamite and Kuldunic Sorcery. Probably a good bit of Necromancy sorcery know how could be retained as well. Hell with enough effort you probably could translate Thaumaturgies into Assamite equivalents.
>>96852758Because that's what you are matterjeetkikebitch.
>>96852786my favorite is CC, but martial path is also a really good wuxia
>>96852755So you will casually ignore the fact it specifally tell you that you can alter your body "to change your appearance", that's what a called a limitation as well if we follow your logic.And I don't need to prove a negative when it come to "alter your body beyond human limit" since it's written as it isYou can't overcome death, you can change your appearance, that's it
>>96852879Just awaken and become a mage, broIf you beat vampirism than how hard could that be?
>>96852800No, Golconda doesn't. delete your vampiric powers, at least in the canon WOD.
>>96852890
>>96852890I think those two are xianxia, no?
wuxiaxianxiaxuanhuanall the same in the end: chinkslop
>>96852902That's exactly what I'm suggesting. You use the extend "life" vampirism gives you to learn a shit ton about magic. Then you de-vamp and bam, already a mage because you know so much magic.
>>96852890>CCam I the only one who pronounces that as "sissy"? I laugh every time.
>>96852906>>96852914yeah I think I got confused since they are similar
>>96852924
I have sudden inspiration to make an exalted vs WOD counterpart to Sylens Vampire CYOA
>>96852933last page
>>96852945That already caused shit storms in the WoD general since Exalted fags couldn’t handle the fact that Archmages are above them.
eugenics cyoas? not the bloodlines one made by languid though
>>96852961Archmages all got cucked and killed tho
>>96852945Good luck, just remember: Don't be a no-fun fag.
>>96852978No? Exalted as a setting has had massive handicaps on its reality. It didn’t allow resurrection or time travel at times. That alone means mages just win. Since they can do all of that. If the setting itself doesn’t allow it, an Archmage can STILL do it, since that’s the entire point of Imperium — to make your own fan fiction cosmically canon.
>>96852961That's because Archmages are literally just soulless plot devices. Hands down the shittiest thing to come out of WoD by far.
>>96852999Archmages are a completely different mode of play. They’re setting editors and setting creators, not setting players. They are gameline manufacturers. You play them if you want to make your own dimensions and create your own types of monsters. Archmages can make Solars.
>>96853012Yes... that's what I said, shitty plot devices.
The developer of Archmages has described them as people playing black jack. Or a group of old men sitting around a table and throwing cards on top of other cards. “This is canon”“Nope not anymore”“Yep canon”“Nope”“Oops I made Hitler into Jesus”“Crap”“Undo it now!”“Nah”
>>96852921Pretty sure you'd only be a sorcerer, awakening as a mage requires something else I can't remmeber rn(I think, it's been a minute since I looked at Mage books). Although anyone who succeeds at Golconda is probably close enough anyway
>>96852998in exvswod Solars can easily shit out magical devices that imitate all the powers of mages and don't have to worry about paradox, so...
>>96853036Archmages can create Solars but better anon.
>>96853041Then solars can make solars and by default solars can make mages too with their charms
>>96853031>>96853012Why is there more than one near-omnipotent wizard? Why would he allow others to exist instead of eradicating them in an instant? After all he could create new ones that match what he wants down to a tee, right?
>>96853025Archmages are actually hilarious. They split hairs to avoid getting butt fucked by each other all the time. The cosmic hubris is pure comedy. “It’s totally different. Totally. Haha.”. They make up the dumbest rules. They see everyone as ants.
Archmage spheres are not even canon lmao an archmage is a mage with arete 10 and 5 dot spheres.
>>96853049Anon an Archmage can ascend as the concept of [Solars] and becomes the very concept of their existence. Removing him would remove Solars from existence. The way the Exarch of Forces is quite literally [Violence] laced with [Oppression]. They are any instance of you punching or violently oppressing anyone. The abstract concepts in Exalted aren’t singularly absolute the way they are in Awakening.
>>96853070They are still canon. A certain Mage developer hates them. He said “go open the previously published book if you want them”. He’s also partially responsible for them. His name is Phil and nobody likes him.
>>96853086Are you talking about WOD or CofD because both are vastly different.
>>96853102Exalted fags only ever argue Owod because they have a better chance at surviving it. Nwod Archmages are phenomenally more cosmic than their Owod counterparts.
>>96853052Which WoD? In owod they’re hunkering down on individual planets. In nwod they are in a Cold War and half don’t even talk to the other half.
>>96853112So I called your little faggy game.We are explicitly talking about the old world of Darkness, not about CofD where archmages become lobotomized concepts on awakening.
There’s an Archmage in Awakening that is trying to remove the concept of predation from existence and it’s not going to be good if he succeeds…. and everything knots in on itself due to a lack of consumption…
>>96853143Owod archmages can still turn into gods lol. God is a mage.
>>96853100If you can bring up semi canon stuff then I can bring up this thing up too.
>>96852489>owl milkB tier.>milk of timeA tier depending on how it works. Good but you are still human at the end of the day and machines are far more efficient than humans are. The biggest benefit is learning new skills in short order but you still need to prove it to other humans for recognition. Would be good for coitus.>milk of spaceC tier. Also good but it's just for homeless neet maxxing. With any other power you can get your own money to get your own fancy place so this is just safe/comfy/lazy option which is why it's only C tier.>natural milkS to EX tier. Heals any injury or disease. Being tortured is pointless because you can cry at will and without limit even if you are captured, but regardless, you can just find a richfag who needs your services and heal him without explaining how you did it. Problem solved. Now get rich and own your own 5 star hotel complete with all the amenities you want. Also, you could probably justify deaging with your tears since aging is just genetic/cellular/dna damage over the course of time. I would go find a bunch of really fancy scientists and swear them to secrecy to find a deaging serum using my tears as a base.>omega milkF tier. Would've been great but Anon is sperging out about how you can't actually alter yourself or affect anything except aesthetics within human limitations (boring, can't even transform into animals or become an eldritch abomination). With Anon's autism you can't even make yourself faster or stronger just inflate the muscles and cheat your appearance instantly as if this won't raise questions. You can't even edit your coitus abilities outside of size like giving yourself a better refractory period or more virility because he so limited it. So lame. If you want to be a budget shapeshifter who can't actually do anything then pick this.>chaotic milkB+ tier. Actually quite strong but requires much more effort and is inconvenient with month long timers. 5kg or 11lbs of cheese is also excessive.
>>96853154They can do whatever spheres 5 and arete 10 allows them to do.
>>96853166Don’t care. Anything a Solar can do an Archmage can do better — or make something that can do it better. An Archmage can quite literally remove essence cap. Abloobloobloo. Cry for me.
>I hate nature it’s too scary I want it all GONE FOREVERArchmages are frequently hailed as the most dangerous villains imaginable
>>96853179>Abloobloobloo. Cry for me.This is the peak rhetoric prowess of a mage cuck?lmao>perfect effectthe mage gets bent and cries.
>>96853183And this guy is only a Spirit 7 archmage. He’s a mid level archmage. A Spirit 9/10 archmage can slap gods like Gaia with automatic Bans.
>>96853198>>96853183>Archmages could do everything>Yet they never do anythingmmm....
Imperial Archmages aren’t Ascended and all their powers are done through Imperial ritual. Ascended archmages like Merlin or the Corpus Author already won because they already Ascended / already changed existence to become it.
>>96847878How does Serpentis compare to Protean?
The stench of curry and 8th grade physics textbooks approaches...What do?>Prepare a belt to beat the woman with>Sacrifice a catfag to moloch>Pray to biblefag's cancer for a miracle>Post black magic>Murder-suicide with anon
>>96853213That screencap outright tells you it’s up to the Storyteller to decide how close they are. There are already Archmages who have previously ascended, like the old Atlanteans who Ascended en masse and erased their entire timeline due to it. The cosmic horror of being an Archmage is that you erase your history once you become an Archmage or ascend. It’s a lonely road. You sacrifice your very being. It’s called Aponoia. You will erase friends and you won’t be able to stop it.
>>96853233You’re so tsundere for him. “It’s not like he’s smarter than me or anything…”. Kek.
>>96853238>himBiblefag's dead though? That's an "it".
>>96853213It feels like sane archmages have to spend 99% of their time tard wrangling other archmagesWith how many retarded archmages anons mentioned in this thread, it's the only excuse for reality mostly looking okay
Mage was a mistake
>>96852961they aren't though, there's literally nothing an archmage can do to get through a perfect defense
>>96853250>perfect defense fagLMAO how are you buddy how’s that red asshole
>>96853274bro it's kind of gay to be thinking about assholes in so much detail
>>96853246Mage makes vampirism actually seem like a curse, instead of making you a super-predator.
>>96853244It’s canon that the main antagonists of Mage (the Seers and their ascended Exarch masters) are the guys keeping reality intact from the meddling cocks of insane and isolated archmages from suicidally nuking existence. Lol. Ain’t that ironic. Fuck the cosmic reality cops am I right? What have they ever done for us?
>>96853246it was unironically the best owod splat and probably also the best nwod one
>>96853244That doesn't work either because the WOD is a shitshow.None of the so called omnipotent do anything archmages bothers to make the place better.Either they don't exist as advertised or they are completely apathetic neets masturbating all day letting everything rot.
>>96853296Technocracy was right the whole time
>>96853301Archmages can't do anything because every other archmage would stop them if they tried to do something major.
>>96853173I forgot to explain so let me do that now.>owl milkB tier. Purely for forgetting past memories. Nostalgiafagging ruins everything, also you can re-experience something new for the first time, so it's fun for casual living and entertainment/media consumption. The real benefit is forgetting past failures so you retain optimism which will allow you to maximize your motivation without any previous memories dragging you down. Unfortunately, it comes with a risk, as taking away certain memories could alter your personality in unforeseen and subtle ways, so you're going to want to be careful with how you use this. Failure is useful but being able to remove catastrophic failures from your life will allow you to maintain a clean and healthy mindset which will boost productivity. That's basically why I'm saying it's B tier.Also,>5kg or 11lbs of cheese is also excessive.I googled it and got:>The average American eats about \(3.5\) pounds of cheese per month, based on an annual consumption of around 42 pounds. This figure is derived from dividing the annual average by 12 months, or by converting the approximate 34 grams per day consumption (about 1.2 ounces) into a monthly total.So you'd have to eat triple the cheese in a month or cheesemaxx in one sitting if you wanted to expedite it.The other thing with chaotic milk is that yes, you are 30% as potent, but that becomes your new normal so you the next time you land the same power you get to 30% it again. It's very good just requires too much time. Also, the way natural milk is written, the healing effectiveness scales depending on how many tears you produce, so the 30% cap just makes it take longer to get to the same amount.
>>96853307The Technocracy are the same way in the owod as well. Because again. Bankers and bureaucrats and scientists are generally more level headed and productive than fat Wicca chicks, Taoist cult leaders, and Hermetic nutcases.
>>96853312So >>96853031 is right and archmages are constantly cancelling each other out?
>>96853031"Uno!"
>>96853327That and why would you stick around on Earth when you could fuck off into the Umbra?
The archmages(arch-scientists) of the technocracy aren’t even on Earth. They didn’t give a single fuck that an ancient vampire god woke up and starting raping Asia. They weren’t around to approve the decision to smash the big red button and nuke a third of India.
>>96853233Stone him from afar, I don't wanna touch that poojeeta.
When did you realise that this whole Archmage discussion is just matterjeet talking to himself?
>>96847892Why is CC still going
>it’s the JEET>it is always the JEETI remember when it was the JOOS
>>96853307Bro he's the retard mixing up ascension and awakening the two are different you are talking about WOD he's talking about CofD.>>96853296Retard stop mixing up lore no one is talking or cares about awakening.All of the conversation is centered on ascension lore.
>>96853351No new OC
>>96853034You need to be bound to an Avatar, which either needs to find you or be guided to you by a Psychopomp.
>>96853351Because I allow it
This is 4chan now
>now
>>96853357That you can’t distinguish owod from nwod and vice versa just tells me how much of a newfaggot you are. I can readily talk about both. I can shove archmages down your throat from both owod or nwod. Doesn’t matter which mage it is. Mages always win.
>>96853380>Poopdick schizoNever seen a more apt description of you, matterjeet.
>>96853316>you are 30% as potent, but that becomes your new normal so you the next time you land the same power you get to 30% it again.powers don't stack, you either reroll it through cheese or you get a new one after a month but you don't get 2 omega milks for 60% potency and you can't get more chaotic milk because it says "(except this one)"
An important thing to note is that both versions of Werewolf make it apparent that werewolves are the lowest IQ critter of the WoD lineup. It also attracts low IQ players.
This is really just a consequence of anonymous posting making people crazy
OC anon you still have the power to save us from matterjeet's schizophrenic tyranny.
>>96853405but woofs have the cutest nickname
>>96853422They’re cute because they’re retarded anon.
>>96853433hehe dogy
>>96853357>Bro he's the retard mixing up ascension and awakening the two are different you are talking about WOD he's talking about CofD.It’s actually both. Both owod and nwod share certain themes. The Seers are the Union of nwod. They’ve even got a hand in ruinous materialism. Ministry of Mammon.
>>96853380You post this every time you get called out rajeesh
Tzimisce are also canonically a bunch of pro Nazi bdsm freaks. Don’t play them. The artwork would horrify you. I’d post it but I don’t want to get banned again.
>>96852734>death is the hard limit of anything alive.Biological immortality is not a limitation at all, retard. There are lots of animals that are biologically immortal/ageless.
What does anon have against incredibly knowledgeable Indian posters
>>96853392I can that's why it's so annoying when anon is clearly talking about one setting and you jump to answer as if we were talking about the other.>>96853443That's correct yet makes it irrelevant to bring up awakening we are literally talking about the exalted vs WOD crossover so CofD does not matter.
He hates you because you support Israel and Indians are the only people in the world who hate Muslims more than Jews.
>>96853462>he actually confirmed he's Indian.keeeeek
>>96853464Newfag. Learn to differentiate. Just because I’m so familiar with both doesn’t mean you can’t be. How about stop going to the white wolf wiki? It’s full of bullshit. There’s also an Exalted crossover for both owod and nwod. Nwod actually works better since it runs in line with a changing existence over time. Exalted could legitimately have been a pre-existence in nwod terms. Not so in owod (despite it originally being set in owod’s ancient past). They made it strictly non canon in owod. In nwod you can pretend it was canon very easily because reality has been through *so many editions*. The former mages were “dragons”/reptilians before they ascended and erased their Jurassic civilization and left it behind for humans to discover. Before that you probably had crustacean mages.
>>96853481I’m actually Greek.
Me snickering at pathetic cyoag anons so new to 90s era tabletop
>>96853499>Anons talking a specific crossover>Retard jumps in talking about a different setting>He gets called out for mixing up settings and confusing people>That's not true! There is a different crossover that I'm talking about without telling anyone before being called out.It's genuinely amazing how transparently gay you are.
>>96853457You got me there, enlighten me about this "lots of animals" you're talking about, because except some kind of jellyfish (which by the way are not immortal) I actually don't know any other species who don't/can't dieAnd your point is fucking moot anyway, we were talking about a human being and sorry to tell you the bad news but you will fucking die you fucking moron
>>96853542Nah I’m just so good at juggling owod and nwod from years of basking in the unregulated filth that is wodg(OwOd). You are not on my level. I’m not even a dedicated wodfag either I just collect books.
>>96853397Not what I said. If your original weight is 200 and you get 30% for month 1 you can reduce your weight by 60 pounds, but then the next time you roll the power your new normal is 140 pounds so you can reduce it by an additional 30% if you wanted to be anorexic.
>>96853560saar...
>>96853481I'm actually Mexican.
>>96853542Never once mixed up settings. That would be you. You can’t follow.
this general is exceptionally retarded
>>96853575That’s not even me. Stop thinking everyone is Indian. >>96853591I wish we could isolate the guy who calls everyone a jeet.
>>96853561Look I don't say you can't talk about awakening I'm just saying you should not confuse people asking about ascension that's all.
Never mess with matterjeet or else he'll use his dozen samfag clones to decimate you in an argument.
I'm white. Ask me anything.
>>96853564What the fuck are you talking about? Weight? 30%?The milk isn't 30% more effective, it's 70% less effectiveThis has to be bait
Indians ruined the internet so fucking hard no one can trust anyone …
>>96853606They work like a hivemind.
>>96848259>Reanimation embodies the Chain of Sins as a whole.So Reanimation is the all-aspect?
Post handsAll of youRight fucking now
>>96853617He's explaining himself really poorly, but I think what he's saying is:>You gain 30% effective self-modification>You modify some part of yourself by 30% what normal could do>You switch to a new power, but your body is still modified>Switch back eventually>Modify yourself againI don't agree though.
>>96853476Imagine not supporting Israel. The only goal of Jews and atheists at this point is to make Muslims seethe as much as possible.
>>96853681>Imagine not supporting Israel.
>>96853681>dude genocide
>>96853587Can you comprehend what you read?>Conversation is about WOD >Anon suddenly brings up awakening>Gets called outThat's literally it and yeah that's mixing the setting up.It literally happened like this.>ExvsWOD crossover>Typical mage vs solar shit>Suddenly someone talking about exarchs and becoming conceptual>Gets called out as bringing up awakening without even telling people that don't know better and answering WOD questions as if they are about awakening.
>>96853650Very well, this is pants on head retarded
>>96853702Anon my mage supremacy folder is filled with screen caps and citations from both owod and nwod. Including Monte Cook’s monstrosity.
>>96853617Oh, okay, so I'm dealing with a literalistic brainlet.The original power lets you alter your body however you want within human limitations. So let's say that the human body needs bare minimum 70 pounds to function. You are a 200 pound male. Normally, 30% of 200 pounds is 60 pounds of material you can edit, which is why I was simplifying it. But if you want to be an incredibly retarded literal faggot, let's assume 70 pounds of that is the absolute bare minimum to sustain your measly life. Which means that you now have 30% of the remaining 130 pounds you can edit which is 39 pounds. You can thus reduce your weight from 200 pounds to 161 pounds, or increase it to 239 pounds, you stupid retard.Then, the next time you roll the power, your weight is now 239 pounds because you're a fatass keyboard warrior legalist on a basketweaving forum pissing off much more successful and superior anonymous posters. So you decide to add an additional 30% and are now 289.7 pounds, you absolute fatass neanderthal of a twat. Fuck you.>>96853650Swallow a needle, dumbass. Your power fading away and being replaced is talking about your ability to actively use it. Your previous alterations are still in effect. If your body weight editing doesn't even stay then chaotic milk is truly dogshit and is F tier as well. Considering that the author is such a massive faggot I wouldn't be surprised if intended chaotic milk to be sewage while having natural milk be god ascendant tier. What a shit cyoa. Cunt.>>96853706Suck my fattie.>>96853681Bitch ass shekelmonger, go clip some coins.
>twateuropoors seething lol
>>96853702The major shitstorm between Mage vs Exalted involved New Mage. Not Old. I’m not sure why you don’t already know this. The reason why Exalted players hate the crossover with Awakening is because New Mage is basically Capeshit, and you only need one success to get a spell off. Also exceptional successes means you can’t defend against being Unmade (no damage - you just die). Mechanically it was a no brainer why Exalted’s crossover with Nwod was such a shit show while the one with Owod was a lot more natural.
I SAW YOUR HANDI SAW IT
>yt bois postingItalics, get in here.
>>96853715Thank you for calling him a Jew. It was becoming hard to tell you apart from the Matterkike. I see numbers and I think “oh god it’s him”.
>>96853757consider detoxing from 4chan
>>96853694I support progress over a sand age. Yes. Jews aren’t literal Luddites. You hate civilization if you support Muslims, and especially fucking Palestine (notice how no other Muslim land will take them in? I wonder why? LMAO). >>96853700By this logic every war between two peoples is a genocide. >>96853715My penis looks better circumcised.
>>96853757What can I say, I'm a man of the people, and k*kes aren't people.
No joke. I think every single one of you posting here is brain damaged. To some degree. It’s really bad.
>>96853777Matterjeet jeeted all over the place, now it smells like shit.
>>96853777God why :(
FRESH OC FRESH OC FRESH OC>option 1The third world is quarantined into its own thirdie-net. Third worlders can no longer access the firstie-net.>option 2You know the physical appearance of anyone who makes any kind of post online just by looking at the post.
>>96853771I guess Jews must REALLY hate civilization considering they spent decades having the west import more and more immigrants.
>>96853715Ok then tell me during your previous post (assuming it's actually you) here >>96853316>The other thing with chaotic milk is that yes, you are 30% as potent, but that becomes your new normal so you the next time you land the same power you get to 30% it again. It's very good just requires too much time. Also, the way natural milk is written, the healing effectiveness scales depending on how many tears you produce, so the 30% cap just makes it take longer to get to the same amount.Where did you ever mention you were talking about the interaction between chaotic milk and omega milk?Where?Honestly I feel like i'm arguing with someone using chatgpt or whatever the AI is currently trending
>>96853735I know but here the problem is let's say anon does make his EXvsWOD CYOA and someone asks:>What's the top level power for a mage?And someone responds:>Archmages become conceptual beings that fight the exarchsCan you see the problem here?>>96853713Sure, but you should keep the screen caps relevant to what we are discussing.If anon makes an EX CofD crossover CYOA feel free to talk all you want about atlantis.
>>96853808both are worthless, but i guess 1 is better than 2
>>96853808Option 1 because I already know you're all poos.>>96853821Yeah, that was poorly written, I will admit fault there. The context should've been obvious so my fault is at a minimum compared to your autism. I was going through each option and at the end of it I referenced multiple stuff at 30% in a poorly articulated way, yes, but if your mother didn't overdose you on adderall we wouldn't be having this exchange. What I'm trying to say is it isn't your fault. The system failed you, Anon.
While I was sitting in the sywoods with my muzzleloader, hoping for a juicy doe to stumble into my crosshairs, I had a sudden idea for a short OC of a formerly classic genre we haven't seen another instance of in at least a year, to my knowledge. I like the idea and will commit myself to it, such as it is. Bonus points if you can guess what specific subgenre I'm talking about.
>>96853808>>option 1>suddenly all of cyoag is a barren wasteland
>>96853808Option 1, bye bye street shitters.
>>96853183Isn't this Awakening and not Ascension?
>My penis looks better circumcised.Grim
>>96853899That also means he can remember what it looked like before and after, which means he was an adult when he converted to a mossad asset.
Seriously though why are people suddenly mixing oWoD and nWoD Mage up willy nilly in this thread?
>>96853834>Can you see the problem here?There is no problem. Someone mentioned Exalted vs WoD and there’s two WoDs to choose from. I’m free to play with either until hard specified. When hard specified, I’m allowed to point out the ironies of the alternative WoD being better or worse.
>>96853927owo is a classic, cute face with goggly eyes, the one we all know and lovenwo is a whimsical play on the original, the first eye is blinking upwards which gives it a fun and mischievous vibe
>>968539271. Because anons don’t know how to tell the difference. They get overwhelmed by veterans talking about it casually. 2. Because someone is triggered that one Mage is “more powerful” than the other and this means Exalted niggers will get incredibly angry if you aren’t talking about the weaker or less powerful Mage.
>>96853894Yes. Archmages in Ascension and Archmages Awakening can both throw or toss around universes. If you want an Owod Archmage look at >>96852704Masters of the Art for Ascension. Imperial Mysteries for Awakening.The themes of both are much the same. You aren’t expected to be reach that far. They are *plot devices*. Mentor figures.
>>96853735>while the one with Owod was a lot more natural.Well what they tried to do is have Exalted be the backstory of the oWoD universe (like how a Mage's Avatar is a crippled cut up ghost of a Sidereal, or how Ebon Dragon and Scarlet Empress are around and have been redeemed somehow) but they really couldn't get it to click and make sense and eventually gave up on it.
>>96853808fyi India is considered Second World so option 1 wouldn't help any of you.
>>96853974Yes, and as >>96853499 pointed out the irony is that Exalted can be worked into canon a lot more easily in Nwod than Owod. They did a hard “no it’s not canon” in Owod, but Nwod already plays around with “existence could have been radically different and unrecognizable a hundred edits ago” so it’s very easy to have Exalted be a time before-before. Settings are erased all the time in Awakening.
Now that I see OwOd I cannot unsee it
>>96853985Superpower by 2030!
>>96854005Superpooer
Ok how does this system sound for the EXvsWOD CYOA>Choose your exaltation>Solaroid costs points>Celestial is base>Terrestrial gives pointsThen each exalted chooses their caste and spends points to buy dots of mastery into each caste/aspect of their exaltation each level gives examples of powers the character can learn for example>Dawn>1 dot: at this level you can use essence to enhance all martial pursuits to either ensure success with your powers or to accomplish feats worthy of the greatests masters of combat like sending your oponents flying away with each attack, easily tear enemies apart with your hands, to drive your car with inhuman skill and ensure maximun damage to anything you run over as well as be able to suffer superhuman levels of punishment.>2 dot at this level your attacks are anathema too all creatures of darkness damaging them like fire or sunlight, with concentration your strikes become peerlesly lethal, you can ignore distance when using ranged weapons, can mannifest any mortal weapon to your hand made out of your anima and can protect anyone coveriing behind you from any attack but this doesn't mean you are immune to it.
>>96853808>option 1>thirdie-net>firstie-netI wonder, what happens to the second-world?>>96853985>Second worldIndia has never at any point been an ally of the Soviet Union. It was/is a third world country.
i thought good OC was posted since the thread was so longturns out it was just endless shitflinging
>>96854023WHICH WOD YOU STUPID BITCH
>>96854039>>96853941There is literally only one EXvsWODhttps://holdenshearer.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/exalted_versus_world_of_darkness_revised.pdf
>>96854039It's exalted vs the WOD not about CofD.
>>96853927It's very funny how vampire fags had no problem distinguishing Requiem vs. Masquerade, yet mage fags are so desperate to push Awakening into an Ascension discussion.
>>96854023What kind of whore holds her glasses this way
>>96854097One who doesn't care about dirty lenses.
>>96854049>>96854077>he thinks people don’t call cofd nu wod >>96854092There’s more of a difference between the two mages then the two vampires anon
>>96854097she has a mechanical prosthetic arm, so she won't dirty the lens.
>>96854097that's a robot hand so no skin oil to mess up the lenses
>>96854122It's still not a good thing to do
>>96854092Um. Mage fags will always whip out the other Mage when it suits them. They’re always making it apparent that Mage is supreme in both iterations of WoD. This pisses off vampfags because Requiem removed god-level vampires. Awakening did not remove god-level mages. How is that fair?
>>96854121>>he thinks people don’t call cofd nu wodSure but I'm making the CYOA about exvswod and it is explicitly about the old wod.I don't know why you are being so obtuse.
Everyone is fine and dandy in mages vs vamps discussions (not really) until someone brings up Chain the Enlightened...
>>96854145Whichever WoD vs Exalted you make, if you don’t have mages at the absolute top in potential in theory, you’re doing it wrong. You cannot beat God. God is a mage. Sorry.
>>96854166the exalted already killed god, several actually in the past. That's what the whole primordial war was about
See, everybody. Magefags only care about being the strongest. They are never not like this.
>>96854180Different God. I’m talking about the Judeo-Christian God who made the multiverse and cursed Caine. Primordials are not God. Sorry. Leaving the Prime 9 spell IS the act of Ascension, buddy. See >>96852704
I thought Forces 9 was the thing that created the WoD? Which is it? Both?
>>96854195that guy is a chump compared to the primordials
>>96854180The thing about Mage, though, is that it’s about hypothetically gaining the power to be able to do literally anything. To say they can’t do something is to deny the theme of Mage. This is why they win. It’s just a matter of resource gathering.
>>96854195ExaltedvsWOD assumess the primordials are the ones that created the world then their wars at teh end of the age of sorrows blasted the world sending the survivors to the stone age(including surviving DBs) and left the world as a confined sphere instead of a plane surrounded by infinite possibility.
>they've reached boundless vs omnipotent scaling nowDear god save /cyoag/ from powerscalers
>>96854212to deny the ability of exalted to win against anything is to deny them their core theme too
>>96854208Nah. He is actually omnipotent in comparison. He can’t even be targeted he’s outside the Simulation. >>96854216Doesn’t matter. Exalted physics is limited to WoD physics. It doesn’t even let you travel into the past in some books. God is explicitly the creator of every conceivable universe in the WoD. He’s why you can’t even hurt Caine. It’s a Mage effect that’s just too strong.
>>96854212yeah but the thing about hypotheticals is that they are not a reality.One thing is that humans can hypotetically travel to the edge of the galaxy another is to actually do it.
>>96854225nope, the exalted can target anything, there are no limits
>>96854212explain why they always job to the technocracy then
>>96854222>>96854229>>96854231Nope. The ability to do everything includes the ability to beat anything. It outweighs the ability to beat anything.
btw i like how mage is so much better than vampire that even though the cyoa was vampire it's still mage that's dominating all the discussion related to it
>>96854225>He’s why you can’t even hurt Caine.That sounds like a typical exalted goal to kill the unkillable.
>>968542321. Most mages are street level 2. The Techncoracy is a faction of mages-by-any-other-name
>>96854239exalted already have rules for how contests of conceptual effects baked into their charms, the defense always wins so they can't be beaten by brute force, there are absolutely no exceptions to this, sorry
>>96854245Sevenfold Curse. Your attack rebounds at you sevenfold for seven times the ass hurt. In theory mages could use Caine as an amplifying battery. God doesn’t mind if you humiliate him. You just can’t take him off the earth. He is meant to be punished. To talk the earth forever.
There isn't a mage cyoa being discussed. Pack it up and leave
>>96854245he is, caine and god are both comparable to primordials, the class of being that exalts were designed to kill>>96854257it's the same setting :)
>>96854252Doesn’t matter. Exalted can’t even allow time travel or resurrection. Its idea of absolute is clearly inferior to Mage’s idea of absolute. Sorry.
>>96854267>Exalted can’t even allow time travel or resurrection.In exvswod solars can ressurect people with their charms and can create time traveling devises.
>>96854267they can't do it (without going outside of charms, so they can do it indirectly in exwod since they can just do... literally everything mage can lol), however they can definitely defend against reality warping effects such as time travel, and their defense always wins against it
>>96854261>caine and god are both comparable to primordialsImagine actually believing this kek Primordials are closer to Celestines, or the Triat, not Motherfucking God. Solars would get eaten by the Grand Maw (Grandma).
All this is telling me is that both WoD and Exalted are garbage
>>96854273>>96854274Why are you coping at your own inferior rules? Lul. Solars lose to time travel. Their setting is shit and limited and they explicitly cannot do everything like mages can. Abloobloobloo. Cry more for me.
>>96854275nah celestines are more comparable to exalted celestines, much lower orders of being than the primordialscaine is a perfect analogy for a primordial with the vamps and the way he relates to them, and his power level is about right toothe same goes for god with his angelsexalted were literally made to kill chumps like that, their entire successful design is based around it
>>96854283no they don't, they just no-sell time travel with a simple shaping defense, there's no way to brute-force harm them with it if they have defensive charms for it
>>96854283In ExWoD, exalted explicitly can do anything a mage can. They literally make mage wonders of any sort they want, and they have an easier time doing so and using them after since they also ignore paradox when doing so. Lol. Lmao.
>>96854283here is the solar power to revive people and even potentially cure vampirism
>>96854217kek, some of the off the walls CYOAs like Ultimate God finally reigned in my powergaming
>>96854316ultimate god is pathetically low-power for a god cyoa though, you're struggling with street level shit in it while only being superficially glazed about how great you supposedly are
Notice how it's always solar and mage players
>>96854331I see Caine in there. Don't get uppity now.
>>96854328I admit that it isn't the best example there is another one that is even worse (better made though), but I can't remember its name. It had caveats like you ALWAYS have the most potential of any being in the multiverse.
Exalted niggers are so sensitive when it comes to wizards looool and some Solars are wizards too looool
>>96854339living god maybe?i like living god because even with the highest power setting where it gives you semi-omnipotent powers it still manages to give you viable enemies and rivals to contend with
>>96854349I think that was the one. Still kinda boring.
>>96854345I accept your concession.
It's always so funny to watch the Mage and Exalted fans argue. Both splats attract the same type of retards.
>>96854368i want to see kindred of the east and demon the fallen fansi don't think i ever will though
Thread slave!
>>96854331>>96854368Don't forget the DBZspics
>>96854331I didn't want to fight but mages always come looking for trouble
>>96854389Yeah they're really butthurt about a crossover they have to opt into to play in the first place.
>>96854374>kindred of the eastSuperior vtm?
Is CC a good cyoa
>>96854446it's alrightthe new version is a bit worse than the old one, fewer drawbacks made it a much tighter experience, though some changes were good
>>96854457what is the state of humanity in the setting? they have merchant options and I recall a description saying some people act as heroes or champions over normies but they also treat earth as a backwater starter planet that no one is actually interested in. also how many earth's are there? is there timeline stuff at play to where there's thousands of different iterations of earth? what happens if all of humanity on earth was to be "wiped out"? nothing I assume?
>>96854472humanity is postapoc fucked to probably about 1% or less of preapoc population but that's still a lot of people so it's recovering and cultivators are arisingthere's just one earth, though it's apparently a different earth than the one you were isekai'd from? i guess the other earth doesn't count as part of the cultivation world touched by re?
>>96854457there are more drawbacks not less and anons loaded up on them (rightfully so)
>>96854501i said fewer drawbacks was betterof course, a lot of options were split and a ton of blessings were added so the old 6 drawbacks wouldn't be enough now, but that's not a good thing, the more random trash you put into a build the more sloppy it becomes
>>96854374Dammed soul and damned angel. Those splats are not appealing to anyone even vaguely aware of Judeo-Christian cosmology (just about everyone).
>>96854512Sorry misread it.
>>96847878How would go about creating their own bloodline? And also, more for fun, how old would a 4th gen sire be? Especially if you pick the Powerful trait for them. Going from the text alone, it seems like they'd be strong enough to rival Baba Yaga or Ur-Shulgi, which would put their Embrace at least around the time of the Second City.
Primordials implies a time. God has always been. Therefore God > Primordials. Sorry. No amount of “b-but they predate time t-too” will change this. Maybe pick a better name next time.
>>96854581God isnt omnipotent in owod
>>96854581>>96854585At this point this discussion belongs on /x/ not here.
>>96854490>there's just one earth, though it's apparently a different earth than the one you were isekai'd from? i guess the other earth doesn't count as part of the cultivation world touched by re?it probably has weird minor differences. apparently it just happened to grow the same culture by sheer happenstance, which is really funny, but technically plausible considering how many worlds there are. actually, only the USA and New England are specified, so the rest of the planet could have who knows what kind of alteration from out timeline, not that it matters anymore.
The developer of Mage even thinks they should win against Exalted. What does that tell you. Sorry Exaltedkeks.
>>96854302>In ExWoD, exalted explicitly can do anything a mage canThey literally cannot. They cannot do time shit. Exalted has to go out of its way to pretend time shenanigans aren’t possible AT ALL to cope. :^)
>>96854286Thinking Caine is a Primordial is really dumb and this is coming from a Sidereal Exalt fan. Fuck off. Mage has always been more borked.
>>96854592>discussion about a tg setting doesn't belong on tg>discussion about a cyoa's setting doesn't belong in cyoagi think you belong on x
>>96854601Fuck Dave. Fuck him. That British asshole.
>>96854610They literally can do time shit BECAUSE mages can do time shit. They're playing by mage rules when it comes to doing mage shit. By definition, they can do anything a mage can. Well, it's somewhat different in execution, as they have to go through crafting wonders, but in return they ignore paradox.
>>96854585He literally is. Cope. An Archmage with all spheres (or arcana if nuMage) at 9/10 is essentially an omnipotent.
>>96854640>essentiallywow so SHE's just like primordials
>>96854635>They literally can do time shit BECAUSE mages can do time shitYou’re still not getting it. If the setting says time shit isn’t allowed. A mage can still do it. Cope. It also doesn’t prevent an Archmage from creating Super Solars that dab on regular Solars. :^)
>>96854624Discussing the difference between a primordial vs a transcendent being is pure pedantic monotheist nonsense and it fundamentally is a theological argument that belongs on /x/.
>>96854643Primordials got beaten. By definition they are not omnipotent. God lets the WoD exist because it’s the equivalent of a Petri dish. :^) And if you think God is a woman you’re a retarded Fallen nigger. ;o)
>>96854648The setting allows time travel. This is ExWoD we're talking about, not Creation. Mages can do time travel. Exalted can do anything mages can. Categorically, exalted can do time travel.If you want exalted to play by Creation rules, then they're a lot more invulneratble to mages suddenly by the way. As it stands in ExWoD, it's possible for a spark of exaltation to be fucked with by a mage. In Creation's rules, that's not possible.
>>96854656How can God and archmages exist at the same time?
Technically speaking there’s nothing you could do to a higher dimensional being that you cannot target, and is looking at you inside and out. If it’s transcendent to your space, or dimensions, then you’re sadly shit out of luck. Superman or Goku or a “Solar” wouldn’t be able to do shit to a hypothetical higher being who is outside existence as you know it. You may as well argue you can punch the writer beyond the fourth wall.
people talking about higher dimensions like they're magic and beyond understanding always sound so retarded to someone with basic math knowledge
>>96854665>The setting allows time travelNope.>This is ExWoD we're talking about, not CreationCool. I’m talking about Creation. Exalted’s home turf. A mage would shit on it. Sorry. No amount of “reee time travel is explicitly impossible in this setting reee” will change that. Sorry. The only way for Exalts to play evenly with mages is to play by their own rules, which is what the Ex vs WoD faggot writer had to do. Because he’s a big bitch.
>>96854688What the fuck is magic to you? What do you think space even is? God damn you sound like a pretentious nard.
>>96854679That's the sort of enemy solars were designed to fight in the first place. And they won.>>96854695Creation doesn't matter for this discussion, since there are no mages there. Playing by the rules of creation also gives the advantage to the exalted, since instead of the janky little granular charms they use in ExWoD, they suddenly have long-term perfects that categorically can't be beaten.
>>96854688Math, geometry, were seen as magic for thousands of years. We very easily know of the existence of higher hypothetical dimensions using basic math/direction alone. But whether they exist literally, or purely mathematically, we don’t know. String theorists think these dimensions are smaller than what we’re familiar with. People like Eric Weinstein think they’re a lot larger than our horizons.
>>96854711>Creation doesn't matter for this discussion, since there are no mages thereDon’t care. Exalted niggers always run back to Creation to avoid being erased. They always say “ackchyually the Time Sphere cannot exist in Creation” as though this statement means anything to an archmage.
>>96854739we do know they don't exist literally, since to exist literally they would need to be available as degrees of freedom for matter and energy to move into
>>96854711>That's the sort of enemy solars were designed to fight in the first place. And they won.Then they aren’t higher dimensional. You don’t seem to understand the implications of what I am getting at. There isn’t anything for them to fight. They’re not there. If you’re a higher dimensional being you don’t have to be. Assuming you can target them is implying you only care about how cool something sounds. Not the realism of it.
>>96854752That’s a theory. It might not be true. There may be films abs frontiers we’re just not used to. You are sadly a part of the field that has held physics back since the 70s, if you’re refusing to entertain the possibility that these dimensions might not actually be smaller. Sigh.
>>96854747Exalted already can't be beaten by mages under ExWoD rules where they're nerfed to hell. Imagining them somehow having trouble against mages under Creation rules is completely retarded.>>96854756The more you say, the more it sounds like exactly the sorts of enemies solars were designed to fight. You're trying to append some kind of stupid mysticism to extradimensionality, but one of the oldest memes about a solar is that if you were watching a cartoon with a real solar in it, he would reach out of the television and punch you for trying to turn the television off.
>>96854769films and* frontiers
>>96854756>only care about how cool something soundsExalted in a nutshell
>>96854775You fundamentally do not understand spatial boundaries and that’s hilarious to me. You’re very much an anime addled nerd. Proof that fiction can make you a lot dumber. Sad!
>>96854769you're spouting pure pseudoscience now, either point out how it's falsifiable and verifiable or it doesn't exist
>>96854756>the realism of itAh yes because we're clearly dealing with utterly grounded settings here.
>>96854791>you're spouting pure pseudoscience nowYou’re why we’ve been in an “intellectual dark age” since the 70s. I’m more likely to trust an insane Jew than you, sorry. You quantum quacks are fucking funny to me since you replace God with quantum uncertainty — the idea that nothing can in fact come from something. “I have always been”. Fuck off. You’re religious without even being aware of it.Bohr was wrong. Einstein was right. The hidden variables have yet to be found. Spooky action at a distance is real.
Threadslave... where are you...
>>96854802>the idea that nothing can in fact come from somethingThe idea that something* can come from nothing, rather more accurately “Don’t tell God what to do” was such a fucking copout, Bohr.
>>96854802just because you don't like the current offerings physics has doesn't mean you can just make shit up randomly and have anyonre respect you for it, sorry
>>96854796Mages are also power fantasy that don't make logical sense so I don't know why he is only picking on exalted.
>>96854810It's because he's a genuinely schizophrenic mage fan from /x/.
>>96854791We already know that things move faster than light so I don’t know why you think it’s impossible for there to be something that moves away from us.
>>96854802>Physics sucks therefore God must be real.That doesn't track and isn't rational
>>96854807This isn’t making shit up randomly. You’re insane. It’s one of the other. Either higher dimensions are smaller or bigger. There is no third alternative here. Keep sucking off Neil deGrasse.
>>96854817Um. He’s accusing the other of that. Why can’t you follow? Quantum quacks believe we’ve found the root of everything, and their reasoning for it is “lolsorandom”, which is no different from assuming there was nothing before God.Quantum uncertaintists are indistinguishable from Christians. Bohr was a God thumper.
>>96854815whether that's true or not has nothing to do with extra spatial dimensions being real, you can't just fix one bout of pseudoscience by committing another>>96854810>>96854817i think he's just shitposting>>96854820until you make an experiment or observation that can prove they exist via verification and/or falsification, you are wrongturn some of that confidence towards experimentation
>>96854830Do you have proof that these dimensions are smaller anon? Saying energy isn’t vanishing isn’t good enough proof for people who don’t believe they’re smaller. You’re being a one sided hypocrite. Proof goes both ways.
>>96854833why would i need to prove some brainfart of yoursif you have some hypothesis about things being smaller, whatever the fuck that means, provide experimental proof of it
>>96854830The idea that these higher dimensions are smaller is as pseudoscience as the opposite. You can’t do double standards very well. Do you also support black cartoon characters only being voiced by black people? Do you see irony when a black person voices a Japanese person like Samurai Jack? You’re some sort of retarded liberal.
>>96854842So you don’t have proof, either. You’re basically arguing that your lack of proof is superior to his lack of proof. That’s weird.
>>96854843go home anon, you're drunk, and not a single thing you're saying makes any sense
>>96854847no, i'm arguing that a lack of proof makes you a pseud for insisting the thing there is no proof for existsif it exists, prove itif you can't, it doesn't exist
>Quantum quacks believe we’ve found the root of everything, and their reasoning for it is “lolsorandom”, which is no different from assuming there was nothing before God.>Quantum uncertaintists are indistinguishable from Christians. >Bohr was a God thumper.This is actually 10/10 logic and I think he is on to something
>>96854884you're the only one who brought the word quantum into this discussion, retard, you're the quantum quack in this thread
The solarchad rules the world and creates heaven on earth.The magecuck hides in the penumbra as a neet masturbating all day doing nothing.
>>96854901My exwod solar was a twilight caste who focused on making mage shit, lived on jupiter, and nuked earth
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>>96849854Rake said on Reddit that lost legacy can solve Indebted immediately because it's not percentage based. You take a small hit no matter what and still have majority of the wealth after paying it off. So yeah it probably has bullshit items to teleport you outside instantly if it can invalidate another drawback like that
>>96854195>who made the multiverseThis isn't definitively true in oWoD, even if he's not a mage it's also offered that he's just a Celestine, a planet spirit, of the planetoid Wormwood who is basically just being a massive asshole and farming worship because he can.
