So I recently got roped into running a Stargate RPG for my group. We decided to go with the 2003 version as opposed to the modern Phoenix Base version with the !NotNox who are fine with killing people.Sadly this system was killed off with a splatbook finished but unpublished. So I'm taking a wild swing here, but does anyone here happen to have the Season 3 Splatbook? There are also a number of fanworks (maps, tools, etc) that I found via the waybackmachine, but a lot of the homebrew and even errata seems totally lost to me. From the dead ruins of the Alderac forums, it seems people had even made a map of the entire Cheyenne Mountain complex.So, /tg/, do you have any old Stargate RPG materials to share? Any campaign stories or house rules or pieces of advice? Should my group just switch to the new version? And does anyone have any ideas for Goa'uld vehicles? One of the cancelled games apparently had a hover tank but thats all I can find.
>>96848878>>96848878I don't think the S3 splatbook exists anywhere on the internet. It was never published, and the Spycraft Stargate reskin predates the sale of electronic copies of RPGs . If it was never published, it would never have been scanned, and thus never made its way into the internet wilderness.There existed, years ago, a few bits and pieces of what the book included. I remember one was rules about the Ancient Databases, as well as an Ascended prestige class (past a certain level in it your character was GM controlled unless you de-ascended). But unless an ex-designer happens to have their notes or a pdf/word document of it stashed away, you're unlikely to ever see it. If you check the designer names on the inside of the existing books, you could try tracking them down on Twitter or Facebook or wherever that sort of person hangs out now to see if they happen to have a copy, but it's a long shot.Additionally, the best class combination in this particular SG rule set is Soldier 10 / Sniper 10. Use a Barrett .50 and at 20th level you will be auto-rolling a 10 minimum and critting on 10+, any attack is thus a critical hit.And always remember to bring C4. Most useful fucking thing imaginable, untold viable uses.
>>96848878man I think I have the core book for this in the box of unloved RPGs I've had for a long time. I was one of the organisers for the uni RPG society and when student org storage got shuffled around I took some of the boxes home to look after... and no space ever emerged for them, no new organisers wanted to look after them, and now we have shit like GURPS Planet Krishna inb4 saar, this shit is old and based on some older sci-fi than the RPG scene and Stargate Spycraft and Angel Tri-Stat hanging around.
>>96848878I will bump and lurk because of my own interest. Wonder if one can find the books in physical form somewhere. If they're not ridiculously overpriced.
>>96849268Just how lethal is it? I see the jaffa slinging 3d6 or 6d6 or some shit for their staff weapons. Do I tell my players to bring extra sheets?
>>96851319As an SG1 fan but not an SGRPG player, I would say that Ma'Toks should do 3d6 in enemy hands, and 6d6 in player hands. Assuming avg HP is around 25.
the only thing I'd change is the lethality of the P90s. Knowing those things failed their one objective of penetrating soviet late 80s crisat body armor, I doubt it'd do any better than the berettas that were standard issue in Stargate. By the third season you'd have the average armsmen lugging around an SR-25 or Leupold Mk4 CQ/T just to even the odds. Keep in mind Jaffa armor somehow blocked bursts from an M60 so I wouldn't be suprised if the 7.62 equivalent to a Beowulf round would be developed. Your average away team would look like a CIA paramilitary officer agent's platoon and would likely have the training equivalent to one, sense the show softballed the Jaffa hard and that writing flaw is why the show became too formulaic by the end of season 3.
>>96849268>And always remember to bring C4. Most useful fucking thing imaginable, untold viable uses.Lore accurate
I hate aliens, and blacks. SG let's me kill both at the same time.
If the free Jeffa could steal space pyramids then why couldn't the SGC?
>>96854080They stole one, but otherwise they kinda suck for their size and probably expensive to operate.
>>96854105I mean even as a space station they'd be invaluable. Probably could adapt Starfighters and test them quicker from there as well.
>>96854105I always found it amusing how back in season 1 the pyramid ships were THE holy shit big boys on the block. By the end of the series they were practically jokes, outsized by shit like the Ori ships, and easily BTFO. Of course the human battleships were still smaller, but thanks to being pimped out with Asgard shit (engines, shields, transporters, and eventually plasma beam weapon) they typically weren't much of a threat unless the human ship was already badly damaged, say, by the Ori. It became like comic book levels of powerwanking. Based on the size difference between them and human ships, the Wraith vessels would have also been far larger and likely easily a match if not far superior.Something else I find amusing is that by the end of the series they had so much Goa'uld crap that they were willing to let Vala Sun's father run off with a shuttle equipped with a damn Tokra cloaking device! Of course by that time the System Lords were reduced to a comical number of Ba'al clones.Speaking of comparing Atlantis to SG1, I always felt it was a shame that they didn't have more interaction between the Wraith and Goa'uld/Jaffa, between the latter's long lives and strong regenerative ability, not to mention shit like the sarcophagus tech. Or cloning, for that matter. Dumbass Wraiths get their hands on a ZPM and they just clone more of themselves even though food was already a problem. They should have been trying to make human cloning farms instead. Hell, the SGC could have contributed. Ethical food supply for the wraith, just clone some humans but leave out vital parts of the brain so it would never be a true thinking being. I guess the Goa'uld aren't much brighter. When one took over Assistant Director Walter Skinner the best it could come up with was blow up Atlantis. I'm disappointed they didn't try to take one over as a host. Stronger than humans, able to feed off of them, mind control powers. Better than an Unas.
>>96851319It isn't lethal to where extra sheets are necessary unless you aim to fuck them over. But you will want to go easy on them if they don't know the system, since it's easy to make a fuckup useless character build the first time. It has vitality/wound point separation, so remember that.>>96854080The Goa'uld started putting safety shit on their stuff when Earth started stealing it, like the fighters.Additionally, the terms of the treaty the Asgard signed off on were that no species could be allowed to acquire technology to threaten the Goa'uld. While in exchange for Nirrti the Tau'ri were allowed to keep their Stargate and fuck about offworld, it was with the implicit understanding that their "grey zone" shit would only be tolerated up to a certain point. A ha'tak would break that unspoken rule. By the time Prometheus was coming on the scene the Goa'uld were preoccupied with Anubis and then there were Replicator problems anyway. And Prometheus quickly got given all the cool Asgard toys so it ended up better than a ha'tak.
>>96851517Bro the staff weapons are 6d6. The average PC hp is i guess 25?
Stargate is trash and you know it. Space Egyptians and dock workers.That is your sci-fi universe.
>>96856067that was the inherent issue with season 3 and the mid-point of 4. You'd think after the second system lord died and every other system lord (especially Ba'al) noticed that their rivals were getting popped off, they'd notice the power vacuum and who was filling it. Once again, tau'ri only survive because the writers made every single named Goa'uld insanely stupid to the show's detriment. You can tell they knew the series was in desperate need for an actual antagonist which is why they piled on all the competency unto Ba'al. But even then they rolled them the fuck over because at that point humanity already had a stockpile of za'ats and staffs to fight off basic Jaffa. That's the entire reason the Ori were introduced; they essentially deflated the threat of the system lords by the end of season 2. It's also coincidentally the last we'd see of the alternate universes where the Goa'uld actually got to earth and wrecked shit. Asgard were also a deus ex machina to save humanity from their own technological limitations. Realistically speaking the minute Ba'al knew how to enter earth's gate without getting stopped he would've sent his entire force through in a jihad, and forced them to nuke the facility and the show would be over.
>>96858384I just think it's funny and SG-1 is so incompetent it makes it even funnier
>>96858384you mean marines and airforce glowies, sir.
>>96858384keep seethinglongest continuously running science fiction show ever, 10 seasons, multiple movies, multiple spinoffs.stay mad
>>96858545Aren't they still supposed to be rebooting it? Probably have Jared Leto in the lead.
>>96858349Then I stand by my point, alternatively buff them to 9d6 in player hands. I think the RPG should be trying to recreate the pilot O'Neill vs Unfortunate Jaffa At The Gate kill, the gnarliest kill of the entire show was there in the final 5 minutes of the pilot. As I said I've never played it, but I have strong opinions regardless.>>96860111Don't think such unclean thoughts. I refuse to believe any attempts to reboot it and will just assume I am being brain blasted by a hand device, and experiencing horrible nightmares while my brain melts as a result.
>>96860271This was some time ago I heard about it. Not Leto, thank god. At the very least he'll have to finish ruining the Pacific Rim franchise (more than it already was) first. But I did hear they wanted a film reboot that only uses the original movie and none of the SG1 lore and world building, which frankly sounds like bullshit.
>>96860653The guys (writers?) behind SG1 wanted to be involved but Paramount told them to take a hike. Upsetting to imagine, and one can only hope that it's because they weren't ready to commit to the project. But I'm a Trekkie, I know what the guys at Paramount can do. I've seen what they are capable of.
>>96860653Apparently Emmerich gave up while Brad Wright (one of the creators behind SG-1 onward) still hopes something is possible, but his original plan to create a new series was tanked by a corporate merger.https://www.cbr.com/stargate-alaina-huffman-franchise-revival-plans/And thanks to this article I'm reminded that Stargate Universe was a thing. I keep doing my best to blot that one out. I know some people like it, but it always felt like a half-arsed copy paste of what the re-imagined BSG was doing at the time. While I've got the memories resurfaced, if anyone cares there was an attempt to make a brief comic continuation.https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Stargate-Universe-Back-To-DestinyThere was also a comic continuation at the same time for Atlantis. Went through a few arcs, as I recall. I think Back to Pegasus, Gateways, and...Singularity?
>>96860706https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Stargate-Atlantis-Back-to-Pegasushttps://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Stargate-Atlantis-Gatewayshttps://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Stargate-Atlantis-SingularityI don't really recall much about the Atlantis one. Main enemy is Janus, the ancient who created the time machine, who brings the goofy alien guys over from that one episode where an alternate Daedalus was jumping from galaxy to galaxy and the cast got trapped on it. Walter and some other dude get stuck on a planet. Replicator Elizabeth Weir is finally fished out of deep space and restored because Janus had a boner for her (that pointed both ways?). That's all I can recall.As for the Pegasus one since it was shorter I do recall a few more details. Eli got fit since he was stuck alone for so long. Discovered an entire deck of extra stasis chambers they had overlooked. Whoops? Turns out the original Ancient crew was still board. (I think they were the engineers and construction team who fled on the ship during the outbreak of plague that fucked up the Ancients back in the day). The Ancients manage to take over the ship, the SGU people fight back. Eventually all the Ancients wind up sick either because of the plague or modern diseases (I can't remember which). Only one survives because they manage to find a way to synthesize tretonin. They give the formula to the ship and it looks for planets with resources suitable to make a working knockoff of the drug. There was also some more obelisk and drone enemy madness but I don't remember much about that.
Question, since this is piggybacking off of Spycraft, is there any must have splatbook from spycraft that could work well with Stargate? I got the guns book already. For that matter, the fuck is the chain shirt supposed to be in the armor section? Theres no blurb on it, and dont say its Jaffa chainmail, because its in the Spycraft book too and it doesnt have a blurb there either.Finally, if you had to pick one or more points to divert from canon in YOUR campaign, what would they be and why?
>>96860773I'm surprised Ancients could have survived, but then I'm not sure of the timeline. Atlantis Ancients tended to be on the cusp of death due to aging slowly over millions of years, but Ancients during the time of the plague in the Milky Way at least could survive. Though Ayiana wasn't in technological stasis, right? Frozen in a block of ice. She was also one of the superhumanly evolved.
>>96860773How does an Ancient get sick from a modern disease? They were so much more advanced and evolved by nature that they had literal super-healing they could use to heal others, for fucks sake.>>96863220Shadowforce Archer if you want to use the evolved superpower bits.
>>96848878Just use Infinite Worlds, like everyone else.The trick is to switch the world-gen table, so it's more likely to generate Iron Age and Medieval worlds, rather than modern and 19th century ones.Alternatively, go check out either Broken Compass or Outgunned (depending on how much you plan to focus on cheesy adventure/cheesy action). I have a love-hate relationship with those two (same core rules), but it was written for making your sessions resemble cheesy 90s TV series, and it delivers.
>>96864567Broken Compass is fucking fantastic for low-budget pulp and cheesefest, but has two big issues that I find a complete no-go with certain groups and players:>The entire group is familiar with genre conventions as such and willing to embrace them for the sake of the game (so no autismos and zoomoids allowed)>It has five (5) re-roll options, which can kill any momentum the scene has despite being super-dynamic system by design (so no people with decision paralysis allowed)That ignoring minor issues like shit-tier character creation (can be circumnavigated) or how it absolutely can't do anything else than neck-breaking fast action set-pieces*. Still, I think it's either this or Wushu when it comes to running SG1. That show was at its core fully aware it's a cheaply made knock-off and then cheaply made franchise, so you need a game that rather than autistic simulation can do meta-textual narratives on a fly* We decided to run a scenario "inspired" by True Lies. The game went into a screeching halt when recreating the iconic opening, because it just has no mechanics for situations like fumbling social interactions, and it takes genuine mental effort to keep going with those both as a GM and as players or how to spend Luck on them
>>96863220I think any of Apophis' deaths are a good spot to do your own thing. Its crazy how quickly they became a joke
>>96863886>How does an Ancient get sick from a modern disease? Their immune systems are out of date and unprepared for modern diseases which have kept evolving and changing while they were in stasis. A basic TV level of medicine.
Why are all Stargate games cursed to die on the vine?
>>96868682As a species we're immature and we need to grow and develop, this technology is not meant for us- yet.
>>96848878>Friend tells me he's just invested in a new Stargate RPG system.>Sends me the PDF>It's yet another fucking D&D 5e Square-Peg-In-Round-Hole system.Look, i don't hate 5e as a system, i think it's fine, but why does EVERYONE insist that it can be used to run everything when anyone who plays it can easily figure out that it's good at maybe 3 things and falls flat on its face outside of that.I'm tempted to use the E20 G.I. Joe system, primarily because it's a system at least designed around weird alien technologies and tactical military assaults.
>>96866891The Ancient who got defrosted in Antarctica was able to heal super-viruses that the best of Earth's modern medicine couldn't touch. The ones in Atlantis didn't catch a cold despite exposure to modern humans repeatedly. Suddenly being vulnerable to normal modern sickness is at odds with everything that was previously established about their physiology. I'll just assume that the writer didn't know much about the setting.
>>96870446I mean the ancient from Antarctica literally unleashed a contagion people had no defense to, so it happens in the setting, or that they worried about cross contamination from visiting other worlds. An episode of Atlantis actually had the expedition exposed to an ancient and distinct but similar version to a contagion that caused memory loss and, eventually, death. Teyla and Ronon were immune because they'd both been exposed to a similar disease and knew a plant that could cure the others. This shit happens in the setting.It doesn't mean that every single bacteria or virus is going to be deadly to Ancients, but it only takes one that they have no defense against.
>>96858384The only trash is you
>>96856067I always thought the pyramid ships were so big because they were designed to intimidate the goauld's subjects and because they're based on what little ancient technology the goald were able to reverse engineer and therefore less efficient than the asgard's ships. Then it turned out every other alien race had bigger ships.
>>96872231To be fair the Goa'uld did the same shit several times. Apophis' super pyramid ship, then Anubis' Death Star complete with SG1 performing a trench run to take it out of commission.The Ori ships.... Man, I don't know. Part of the reason they are so large is the giant hollow ring, but at the same time they were built by medieval peasants albeit under the supervision of the Priors who were themselves guided by the Ori. But goddamn with no advanced industry it was still hard to swallow, even with Prior staff magic involved.
>>96872231that retcon was shit to be quite honest. It made more sense that the Goa'uld were simply a great empire of high tech that due to self-interest and in-fighting, lost a majority of their industrial base and might. That would explain why all the Jaffa worlds are run down ramshackles because the system lords rebelled against their Pharaoh, and the resulting coup obviously was costly, but the wars between the system lords likely went on for centuries and devastated what little was left. Add to the fact the system lords were decadent and suddenly the idea their best tech is some fighter ships, a mothership with no real offensive tech and only a forcfield, and conscripted brainwashed gene soldiers with insta-kill staffs and pistols makes more sense. That's not even mentioning the original alien alliance of actually benevolent ayy lmaos are basically dying out or willfully choosing non-intervention was retconned to "Asgard saves the day every time."
>>96872231The thing is it largely makes sense for the goa'uld because their ships are designed to land and act as palaces on their worlds. I'm not really sure why they preferred to make them blend in as stone archetecture, though, given that for millennia they were the largest most technological race in the galaxy. The Nox and Tolan had an edge but were content with small areas of space under their control. The Ohnes and Serrakin didn't seem to be a rival to the goa'uld either despite being advanced. Then there's, what, Ma'chello? What a wet fart that guy turned out to be. All his toys and they never did squat to help them against the goa'uld. The tok'ra but they avoided direct confrontation. The asgard are not really Milky Way natives but even their actions against the goa'uld are limited to only a relative handful of worlds.At least the human ships remained relatively small, showing that size didn't equate to power thanks to all the asgard toys they were pimped out with. I've seen anons who despised humanity having any advanced ships at all, though I'd argue it would be pretty bad if they spent 10 seasons with the primary mission of finding technologies and allies to help them and actually failed with the technologies bit. It is stretching things when McKay is rewiring ancient every other week, though. On that note my god their track record with ancient warships was terrible, so bad in fact that I'm pretty sure it spread to the Travelers who lost theirs when the stargates were exploding thanks to the vanir.
>>96870624>unleashed a contagion people had no defense toThat was a plague so devastating that a bunch of the Lanteans had to ascend to survive it once they caught it, none of their medical knowledge could stop it and this was medical knowledge that can change people on molecular levels to fix shit if you believe Atlantis. They even time travelled to try and stop it but failed, I think SG1 theorised that the plague had to be biowarfare by the Ori because it was just THAT fucking nasty and practically tailored to wipe them out.
>>96877209Let's be honest, it was pretty shit time travel. Bet they're kicking themselves for destroying Janus' timeship now. Too bad he neglected to tell them he rebuilt it and hid it on Harry Maybourne's future world.Ultimately the plague was pretty shitty and just a plot excuse. Nothing wrong with that, really, however even a goa'uld or tok'ra can cure it. I wouldn't be surprised if Tretonin could cure it since that's basically ground up tok'ra babies. Speaking of, Tretonin itself was a pretty shitty plot excuse. I get that they wanted to give the Jaffa another answer to symbiotes, but you have to wonder why no humans used it since it could extend lifespans. I mean look at Teal'c with his distinguished bit of gray hair after he was sent back in time to save them in the series finale. Surely the tok'ra fixed the immune system problem and with the Asgard gimmie machine they can make as much as they'd ever need.And while we're talking about in-setting miracle drugs with bad side effects, I wonder if O'Neill ever felt tempted to take a human battleship near the Aschen homeworld, see if they actually did open up their stargate to a blackhole, then beamed down a goa'uld holographic projector to flip them off."Remember that time you tried to sterilize our planet? Well we whooped the snakeheads ourselves and now we've got bitchin' spaceships with frickin' laser beams!"
>>96854080They explained this in the show by saying that the Tok'ra was actively preventing the SGC from getting Ha'tak class ships.
>>96877272The SGC has a shit track record of keeping hold of captured ships period. Pyramid ship on a mission to blow up Apophis' base? Ends up crashing on another of Apophis' bases (with Apophis onboard at least). One of Anubis' ships crashes in the ocean? It ends up blown up, but as Jacob said a ship that would surely never fly again was worth far less than having Thor owe them a solid.The time they tried to capture an Ori ship also ended badly (but worse for the Free Jaffa). Similar track record with recovered Lantean warships. But at least they're allowed to have a seemingly unlimited number of puddle jumpers.
>>96877251In a sensible realistic scenario the SGC would have definitely followed up on the Aschen when they obtained ships if for no other reason than ensuring that they were at least a reduced threat. The Aschen still had multiple worlds in their Confederation bit weren't keen on exploring. It would still be a good idea to check them out. They're a dangerous technologically advanced foe known for long term planning and patience.But in a scenario true to the Stargate franchise? They would never have followed up, just assuming the threat was gone, so that later down the road the Revenge of the Aschen could pop up as a threat of the week story. And they'd be a far more compelling threat than the fucking Lucian Alliance. What a bunch of pointless assholes. Worse even than the fucking Genii.
>>96848878Is the Phoenix base stargate RPG any good?
>>96877358Aschen got blackholed dude
>>96877251To be fair snakehead curing is almost magic-tier anyway. Though it has limits based on the strength of the symbiote but most snakes are constantly roided on sarcophagus juice, the tok'ra ones weaken and die or go insane if the sickness is too rough on them.>>96877358Aschen would have made a good villain return. Man that episode and plot did not age well. There was also that ship Carter found during a Prometheus episode when she was in some nebula. It was vaguely hostile but I don't remember how they got it to back off and go away.Also>hating GeniiThey gave us some properly based episodes, the Storm for example, and they had the cutest of all Pegasus ladies.
>>96877616It's presumed, never confirmed. O'Neill mentions the addresses handed over lead to a black hole and become progressively darker, but we never learned that they actually did it. I mean for all they know the Aschen were more cautious and checked the addresses from a remote location, likely one of the (few) worlds they'd found and dominated. Or being technologically advanced they managed to figure out a way to close their gate despite linking to a black hole. Why not, the tau'ri managed that.Point is there's nothing the writers couldn't have worked around, if they'd so chosen. But why bother? The Aschen were pretty shite as villains go. Not a lot you can do with them outside of their existing appearances.
>>96877632>but I don't remember how they got it to back off and go away.It was kind of a Star Trek plot. The two ships were stuck in the nebula and after Carter, with some help from her concussion hallucination or alien influence or whatever that was, figured out the solution she offered to help the aliens if they returned her crew. They both honored their end of the bargain and, with no other communication, parted ways. >They gave us some properly based episodesThe series waffled too much about the nature of the Genii. Allies? Enemies? As I recall the last time they were seen/referenced they were trying to dick over the Atlantis Expedition and dominate the new Pegasus galaxy Council of Doomers. Woolsey managed to outmaneuver them. After that I don't think the Council was ever mentioned again before Atlantis was brought to Earth in the finale.
>>96848878Blast from the past. I picked up that book somewhere back in my highschool days but could never figure it out. Mostly because I was unaware of 3.5.
So here's a monkey with a wrench...a good one I promise. Stargate was influenced by a game that was put out by Tri-Tac games. Fringeworthy. It also influenced Sliders. You can get a buttload (a real unit of measure) of ideas for your game from the rules and sourcebooks put out for it. Mosey on over to the sharethread to find digital copies. The rules system for the original game is long in the tooth but they did put out a D20 version.
>>96878747Personally I wouldn't be surprised if the replicators wiped them out - technologically advanced but no FTL = free eats
>>96881671They were pretty vague how widespread the replicators were towards the end, but that's possible. It's also that they didn't have ballistic dakka like the Tau'ri and preferred to use biological attacks. Good luck with that. On the other hand without FTL they really don't have anything to attract the Replicators with most of their satellite worlds in their Confederacy being purposefully underpopulated agrarian shitholes. It's entirely possible they managed to keep under the Replicator radar.On the other hand they could also just be stuck in a time dilation hell from the black hole as their homeworld slowly spaghettifies and they all die absurdly slow deaths, pulled through the stargate.
The only way it would've made sense for SGC to have any form of ships or effective weapons would be essentially recruiting rebelling Jaffa and training them using Teal'c as an intermediary. Even then they should've not been nearly as successful as they were in season 3. The moment any of the Goa'uld noticed apophis's ass got turned into space dust, they would've sent a small fleet. Best case scenario they gather a small team of Jaffa, bring them back to earth and convince the US government to expand SGC's scope and they begin working to turn the ISS into a defense installation and prepare the US military for the inevitable. Worst case, earth gets several cities turned into ruins and now the space race has a whole different meaning.
>>96882196Until the Tau'ri got the ancient outpost in Antartica, almost all the system lords saw them as a minor annoyance and maybe an opportunity to use them to get advantage against another system lord
>>96877251Some of the plot excuses really strike me as extremely lame. For instance the SGC only ever acquired a sarcophagus once (unless I'm forgetting something), in this case Hathor's. They gave two excuses for not using the sarcophagus. A comparison to drugs (though in that case I'm pretty sure it was using the sarcophagus when not injured or dead) and later on claiming it eats your soul so you can't ascend. But then O'Neill went through a shit ton of resurrections thanks to Ba'al before ascended Daniel began to get super worried.Imagine if they just kept one around for emergencies they wouldn't have lost people like, say, Frasier. What's the worst that could happen, a stern look from the fucking Tok'ra? Also while talking about the plague and symbiotes curing it, I imagine the sarcophagus if not the handheld healing device could have handled it. It's just amusing that some of the tech the goa'uld came up with surpasses what we know the Ancients had. I know, I know, they wouldn't pursue a tech that could fuck up their chances of ascension (though I imagine some factions of them would since not all of them even chose to ascend) but if they had they maybe could have done it better, without the eating the soul bit.I also know I'm nitpicking, but it always stood out to me. It's not even the first bit of tech that is dangerous if you overuse or abuse it in that setting.
>>96883149The Sodan cloak, too. They made the excuse about it producing radiation harmful to non-Jaffa which turns out to be a purposeful design to stop extra dimensional bugs from showing up. Also mutant bears. They already were using the cloaks off camera with recon teams spying on the Ori, but it does explain why it was never more widely used with SG1 which I figure was the point of the episode.
>>96883149Sarcophagus is a bad technology to it's core. Even if it didn't drive people insane I wouldn't want it around as it would be hoarded by the elite to rule Earth for eternity
>>96883190They already have a lot of tech that could do that. I think tretonin does more to extend your actual lifespan than the sarcophagus, but the latter can save you if you are killed. Plus if the elites are going to abuse tech it's unlikely they'll just go, "Aw, shucks," if the SGC refuses to get one for them. That's how you get the Trust. But they don't even have the same excuses as stealing tech from allies, beating up Goa'uld and taking their shit is a big part of what they do.I'm also reminded of the time a guy went rogue and tried to use nanites to cure his kid. Shit went bad, but that tech had far more potential for abuse. Imagine people lining up to get what Dr. Weir considered a curse. Immortal self-healing body that's also super humanly strong and fast?
How many human leaders would happily declare, "Hallowed are the Ori!" for a magic stick and super powers?
>>96883228I don't think a human ever took tretonin - or at least the Tok'ra refined version.
>>96883250Shit I should probably specify I meant this in-universe, not like a real world /pol/ thing. Senator/VP Kinsey had one of my favorite lines which naturally my dumbass can't recall off the top of my head. Something like, "If I have to make a deal with the devil to do the Lord's work I will." Few leaders would have the fortitude Gerak showed. Dude may have been an ass for most of his time on the show, but he went hard on his own terms, dying free. >>96883257Are Jaffa even enhanced beyond just having the symbiote? Granted what counts as a human in this setting can be wild. Tollan and the Aschen are still humans. There's actually a number of fairly human civs more advanced in various ways. Ma'chello, the heavy water people needing lead by Odo, the humans freed by Warrick's people.
There was an episode about a race that fixed everything on Earth but also made us unable to have children as a long plan invasion. Did those guys every appear again?>>96883250>How many human leaders would happily declare, "Hallowed are the Ori!" for a magic stick and super powers?Are you saying you wouldn't?
>>96883311Yes, the Aschen. That episode was in an alternate timeline, they got black holed. Also the Ori don't share their power and you never get ascended
>>96883149Sarcophagus was adapted from Ancient healing tech, just dumbed down and focused on more primitive biology because the Goa'uld couldn't handle the OG Ancient healing device without going insane and unkillable mad zombie rage themselves.
>>96883283Jaffa are supposedly physically stronger and more resilient (not just immune system, they're harder to hurt at all, Teal'c was always pointed out as superhuman compared to normal humans as was Bra'tac), at the cost of needing the symbiote.
>>96882196>By yes, I started watching the series out of order, how could you tell?Must be my lucky guess
>>96883647You have to know about and believe people who tell you that the Ori don't share. Weirdly the solution, after all, was to just brainwash all the Priors to cut off Adria's food source of worship, though I guess they felt it was fine as long as they brainwash with the truth. Still I'm sure some folk'd be happy to have super powers right now than have to deal with bodiless ascension. Depends on what you want to do with your time, and, you know, your physical needs.
>>96884305That feels like the kind of thing the goa'uld would love, at least once it's weaponized. These are guys who weaponized their babies, after all. >>96884315Honestly that felt mostly like it was just Teal'c being more awesome than everyone. Most Jaffa were punk ass bitches. Curiously the stargate wiki marks them as genetically altered humans, but doesn't explain how. The only thing I recall of the process making them was Jack hugging Hathor and her belt burning open his stomach. Ouch.It always seemed to me like all their enhancements come from the symbiote (which wrecks their immune system), especially since Teal'c lost his confidence upon losing Junior (or Junior II) and had to get his groove back. Some genetic alternations make sense, though, they do like having the best protecting them. Of course Anubis went all out on genetic engineering for his super soldiers.
Don't put me in charge of SGC I would have released symbiote poison immediately in Milky Way and the human killing nanovirus in Pegasus = no goauld, no jaffa and no wraith
>>96878772>>96877632The Genii fucking sucked. I don't know how they even have a society, when their opening diplomatic move is to shoot a head scientist and go all "Now you see our resolve!"
>>96884305Neither could humans, for that matter. On that note,>>96883149Jack was supposedly one of the most advanced modern humans. Hell, in the episode where Ba'al tortured him, he was specifically recovering from influencing his Tok'ra symbiote, something nobody else in the setting ever managed.Maybe you need to cash in a certain amount of like, Soul XP, to awaken, and using the Sarcophagus or having Naquadah blood or something So, Jack could withstand more resurrections than Daniel would have, and Carter doing stuff like blowing up a sun could be Jolinar's influence making her slightly crazy. Meanwhile, random thugs in South America zombified from Ancient healer exposure faster than Daniel and the guide guy.
>>96886942>Maybe you need to cash in a certain amount of like, Soul XP, to awaken, and using the Sarcophagus or having Naquadah blood or something eats that XP up.
>>96868837>Look, i don't hate 5e as a system, i think it's fine, but why does EVERYONE insist that it can be used to run everything when anyone who plays it can easily figure out that it's good at maybe 3 things and falls flat on its face outside of that.I don't think it's so much that everyone went "hmm, yes, this system is perfect for what we want to achieve" but rather "this is the #1 game on the market and if we want our shit to do any kind of numbers our best bet is to hop on that train."
>>96886877Fair is fair, I don't think we really saw much of their civilization, just their military antics (where even the "farmers" we saw were just soldiers playing pretend). I assume they function as a supreme dictatorship under their military leader using the threat of the wraith and promises of their grand plan to defeat them to maintain civil obedience. And of course they have their vast hidden bunkers (chock full of lovely radiation from their nuclear experiments).The kicker is that we see their factionalism. Cowen got couped, Ladon toke over instead of Kolya but we saw where Ladon, supposedly, kept being subverted by groups. >>96886942>he was specifically recovering from influencing his Tok'ra symbiote, something nobody else in the setting ever managed.I don't think that's right. The point of the episode is that the Tok'ra symbiote had been undercover and uses sexual wiles to get access to Ba'al's private chambers from one of his personal slaves. Normally Tok'ra would abandon such an asset; just one more cost for their ultimate mission of defeating the System Lords. But Carter and Jonas realized that because Tok'ra and their hosts blend (instead of outright control) the Tok'ra now had Jack's personal code of honor, which includes the US military mantra of never leaving a man behind. If you mean actually influencing a symbiote, I'd give that one up to Skaara temporarily stopping Klorel from activating the shields of his pyramid ship during Apophis' attack on Earth.
>>96887653Oh right, yes, Skaara. Embarrassed I forgot about him.
>>96887741Poor Skaara and everyone else from Abydos. Dying for Earth's sins and all they got was ascended into a dimension filled with a bunch of snobs who no doubt went, "WTF, Oma, one or two was bad enough, a goa'uld was bad enough, but an entire VILLAGE!?!"
One of the things that really bugged the shit out of me in Stargate was when they went to the trouble of finally uniting, through adversity, the tau'ri, the Jaffa rebels, and the Tok'ra, got them all on the same page, then squandered it before splitting them up so Earth could go it alone. Almost as infuriating as making an entire Free Jaffa Nation, then making them assholes before the Ori blew them up.Kudos to the newest Stargate RPG for giving broader character options including Unas and a knockoff Nox (humans that sort of worship and admire the Nox and style themselves with random shit in their hair). The episodic structure to the game, however... It might work, but it's not my personal cup of tea. The new Aliens uses similar "cinematic" structuring.
I always found distasteful the "humor" and kooky "fat guy" music regarding Nerus - yes he is fat and gross but he is still a pure evil goa'uld with a human host. That they put him in Area 51 instead of freeing the host using tok'ra is a travesty
>>96888254I agree with you. It occurred to me too when I was watching the last few seasons on PlutoTV.Might be one of those situations where the host couldn't be freed. Remember Apophis' poor guy? The last Ba'al guy was lucky he was (probably) a clone. On the other hand it's hard to imagine that Nerus could keep a host running for long since even with a symbiote it looks like cholesterol was winning the battle.The really weird one to me was goddamn fat ass Anubis. Maybe he could just appear as whoever he wanted, but damn that one was an odd choice. I'd hazard same as Nerus it was expecting the audience to underestimate the jolly fat man. Nerus, at least, got in a few good bits when he switched back to his goa'uld big boy voice to remind them he was still an evil alien genius despite appearances and appetite. Cut to his last few moments when he gets back to Ba'al, though...
Feels like he was purposefully leaning into the silly fat man routine as a survival mechanism given the nature of his horrible boss. Probably a two-fold strategy. Being useful enough to keep around, but seemingly bumbling enough that he isn't taken out by Ba'al suspecting he could be a threat to his own power. Goa'uld suspect everyone, even their children. Probably especially their children.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6dneok5X2E
If we're talking about story elements in Stargate that don't sit right, the whole Harcesis child bit was so goddamn silly after the Tok'ra were introduced. A human with all the knowledge of a goa'uld is, by another name, a Tok'ra. Sure they diverged in the past, but we know the Tok'ra have been hiding amongst the goa'uld this entire time watching, waiting, and subverting. Apophis may have some personal secrets that are useful, but not enough to justify how much they played up the Harcesis bit.Introducing Anubis as a pet project of Oma Desala that went horribly wrong made it even sillier. A human with lingering evil goa'uld taint she's ascending, hoping this time it'll somehow go right.
>>96888779Goa'uld genetic knowledge is basically just pulling from Dune and the ancestral memory driving people insane because of the personality overtake. Tok'ra don't have the issue a Harcesis does because they have different ancestral personalities and memories bred into them by Egeria.And Oma was many things, but nobody ever said she had great judgement, which is probably why the Others kept having to discipline her. We see four of her choices throughout SG1: Harcesis, monk, Anubis, and Daniel. That's only a 50% success rate on Ascending people who won't turn around and fuck about in the lower realms.
>>96889057The comparison between Tok'ra and harcesis is referencing that Tok'ra blend minds, with each having access to everything the other has. It's a similar situation but not meant to be 1:1. They aren't identical, and technically aren't functionally the same, at least in the case of Shifu. Technically Anna, too, though she's not a true Harcesis and was more a split-personality thing going on. Still a human with access to the knowledge of a symbiote.The point was that there really isn't all that much a Harcesis should be able to provide the Tok'ra that they don't already know. Surely nothing they couldn't acquire anyway through infiltrating Goa'uld ranks as they've been doing for centuries, beyond any personal secrets Apophis passed on to his kid.
>>96889057At least the other Ascended can kick out others with little fuss, as compared to Anubis. Granted Daniel didn't put up as much of a fuss, but they can also fuck other Ascended. Yoink them away from the material plan like they did when Daniel tried to nuke Anubis and when Morgan Le Faye tried to tell Daniel where Merlin's anti-Ori weapon was hidden. They could have sent back Skaara and all the Abydosians after Oma ascended them all, but I can see why they wouldn't care too much. They were a simple people, not likely to be much fuss. Who knows what they'd eventually become in time with access to all the knowledge of the universe.I'm more amused that ascending a harcesis wasn't coincided crossing a line after all the problems it caused the last time she tried to ascend Anubis. Shifu definitely seemed mentally balanced, despite having grown up with a goa'uld mind implanted in his DNA, or maybe because of it. Oma's influence kept it from getting a grip on the kid from the beginning.>>96886182Fun coincidence but I just watched the episode where Teal'c was first put on Tretonin after using his symbiote to keep himself and Bra'tac alive. Frasier mentions that the original Tretonin was designed to supplant the human immune system and wouldn't work. Carter's dad tells them that this version was refined for Jaffa physiology, intended as a means to get them off goa'uld symbiotes. It's not detailed how, precisely, their physiology is different, but clearly time with a symbiote has a profound change on them that puts them beyond baseline human.
>>96889253Different Goa'uld genetic lines have access to different memories, is my assumption. So the child had everything that Amunet's line and Apophis' own line would have. Probably a lot in there that could be useful even so.
>>96888779>the whole Harcesis child bitOnly existed so a writer could introduce their cuck fantasies
>>96887904The 2003 RPG included at least 1 non-human race per book they released. You can be Unas, Jaffa, Jaffa specific to each major System Lord, Tok'ra, Unity (the crystals from s1E5), Reetu, Asgard and Nox (not a fan that these are in), Reol (the silver skeleton dreadlocked memory parasite people from "The Fifth Man"), breakaway civillization Nazis (they killed Nirrti's original garrison, but she thought they might be a strong stock to take jaffa from, so she decided to come back in 100 years to see if they are worth it or not), a million different primitive human or near-human societies descended from humans transplanted by Goa'uld, the lesser type of Unas called the K'kaan, the Ohnes (WHAT FATE OMOROCA), and a handful of OC races like the Netjerians (spacefaring civillization with increadibly weak millitary tech), the notcatgirl Sekhmet (used and abandonded by Bastet much like the Unas), and you can even play a Goa'uld if you really want to though I think those rules are moreso for making a villain.I read only a little on those knockoff Nox humans because they seemed like a lame way to let the players have their cake and kill jaffa too by letting them be violent Nox, is there anything cool about them?>>96889460The RPG basically spells this out, yes. They do state it in the show multiple times too, but I can see how one might confuse "they have them memory of all goa'uld that came before them (direct ancestry)" with "they have the memory of literally every goa'uld that lived before they were born". The Tok'ra split quite awhile ago, so their genetic memory only helps so much. And despite all the talk of being technological parasites, we do still see both progress and regression in the series itself, even early on. Remember the ship Bra'tac and Hammond 'thread the needle' with in the Hathor 2-parter? Bra'tac mentions they fell out of favor like 100 years ago. So that genetic memory is of limited use.>>96890609The show had a lot of cuckshit desu.
>>96889460Personal secrets can also be pretty big, too. Never know what System Lords are squirreling away from even each other, like the Eye of Ra.
>>96891378>Asgard and Nox (not a fan that these are in)They can be interesting. Nox are big time pacifists, and the Asgard can be very stubborn and contingent in their help. I enjoyed Hermiod on Atlantis, and wish he'd actually decided to remain after the rest of his species cooked themselves. Felt some obligation to continue helping humanity, got attached to them from his time working so closely with them. Oh well.Of course I'd have to REALLY trust a player before they'd get their hands on either one. Similarly Reetu because permanent invisibility is pretty damn op, though I can see potentials for limiting its usefulness, especially if the Goa'uld/Jaffa are allowed to aim, at a penalty at where they believe they sense it.
>>96891450If you play an Asgard you have to go full Sassgard. It is the only way to make it work.
Would Monster of the Week + Worlds Without Numbers/Infinite Worlds work for a casual table?
Daniel Jackson, we must go through the Chappa'ai, Apophis is about to fuck your wife.
>>96894651>Sorry, Teal'c, maybe I after I translate these really fascinating hieroglyphics.The fact that the actress for Sha're was Shanks' wife at the time may make this funnier. I know they had a falling out, then later he shacked up with Rommie/Dr. Lam
>>96891561I worry that Asgard were never as clever as they seemed to be. Never even managed to crack more than a fraction of the Ancient database, struggle with Wraith coding who themselves are way behind the Ancients (then again maybe Hermiod was paired with the humans because he's not their best and brightest). Also the whole cloning fiasco. While the DNA issue is real, the Asgard are so technologically advanced it shouldn't be an issue. They'd have a computer record of their own genome, surely, so it should only be a matter of building DNA from scratch. With their transporter (which they also use as a Star Trek-like replicator) it would be ridiculously easy. You also have to wonder what happened in their past that they don't even have a record of their own species genetic in their fossil record. Meanwhile when the Tau'ri get their hands on an Ancient time machine they don't even think about letting the Asgard use it pop back in time and collect some of their own pre-cloning era DNA. Though, hell, they shouldn't need it since calculating solar flares and stargate wormholes will let them pop back. Pop back in a small ship, get some DNA, then find a place to park and go into stasis until the present time.Much as I love the little guys they really don't come off very well in the series.
>>96848878Hmm. I have the Stargate Atlantis fan-book, but it doesn't want to upload. I don't know if there's any other fan content for this system. I haven't run it.
>>96894839A mixture of "too smart to think of stupid ideas that work" and "we've been around long enough and seen so many well intentioned things backfire that we refuse to do many things". Tau'ri are stupid enough to use time travel
>>96895446And all things being equal, they did immediately stick their dicks into local affairs back in the day, making things much worse by being too effective at leading a rebellion against Ra so he just took the damn stargate with him, fucking up the timeline until the B-Team versions of themselves showed up to unfuck things. Then they all (well, the survivors) went fishin'.
>>96891012Thanks. I hate it.
>This gun stuns something if you shoot them once and vaporizes the body if I shoot it twice>If I want to shoot off a lock I have to shoot it twice>If I shoot the lock once, have I stunned it?
>>96895821If you only mentioned it's basically a penis I'd have been amazed Michael Shanks actually visited the thread. Also it's once for stun, twice for dead, and three times to vaporize. One shot, naturally, tends to also fuck up electronics since the energy zaps the fuck out of systems, too.
>>96891378What about rules for the Tollan? I always thought they were cool.
>>96894839You do know we have literal lost technology now because we don't know how to replicate it, because we didn't have perfect record keeping. And the more advanced a civilization is, the more information it produces, so the Asgard should be lucky they have like, 10% of their actual stuff.
>>96896013So you're saying the got so many saved files on their desktop that they literally lost all their genetic data? Fuck that shit. You know what it really implies? If they can't just check some graveyards for bones of their less evolved selves this is very likely because they've lost their homeworld even more times than what we saw in the actual series.
>>96896005It had Tollan rules, they were Evolutionary Near-Human with a couple of advantages and disadvantages I believe.>>96894839Hermiod was just an engineer, I think. Nothing saying he was a geneticist like the one who was studying that cryostasis version of them.And while they did seem a bit dumb, they explain themselves with how they have become so reliant on more and better technology that they've hamstrung themselves, which is why the Replicators are kicking their shit in at the start of the series. They wouldn't think to look at fossils and genetics because they have the profound belief that their tech can figure it out for them. I think it's a bit unfair to say they don't come off well at least in general terms, since they always go out of their way to help Earth, they're some of the best "alien advanced race friends" in sci-fi almost.>Thor on first meeting the Tau'ri promptly comes and saves Cimmerian, fixes everything, then even makes an exception so Teal'c can still come>heal O'Neill no questions asked of Ancient knowledge, immediately proclaim that Earth is becoming the Fifth Race, putting them on an implicit recognition that Earth is one of their future peers and equals and friends (the Nox didn't do that now did they)>Asgard also immediately try to get Earth into the treaty (which should be impossible because Earth is way too advanced, but they make heavy sacrifices to push it through)>like Earth so much that they start naming ships after them>Earth fucks up a star by ignoring Stargate protocols and bypassing it, Asgard take the insults thrown at them in stride, and quietly fix the problem when nobody is watching>keep giving Earth more and more tech>are one of the only allies (looking at you, fucking Tok'ra), who always have Earth's back>at worst are a bit patronising, which when set against the Tollan and Nox and Tok'ra (again) is a fucking blessingIs there any sci-fi advanced species that is as nice as they are?
>>96896151The Asgard originally found a Replicator, then brought it back to their homeworld for study. It broke out, absorbed their tech, and started rampaging through Ida.So yes, they've likely lost more homeworlds than the two we see in SG1. Their first homeworld is probably the heart of the Replicator threat in Ida.
>>96896430Asgard are pretty renaissance ayys. Even their supreme commander has huge technical ability. Hermiod, after all, was the one who de-goa'ulded Skinner after the Trust put a worm in his brain and tried to blow up Atlantis.
>>96895761Wrong image, anon
>>96896450I wouldn't doubt it. They had a bad track record on that front, pretty much hand in hand with how often Thor wound up dying and then stuck in a new body during the series. It's kind of a moot point in terms of their cloning issues, since they should surely have a record of their personal DNA. Construct the DNA from scratch, don't rely on degrading samples. Should be ridiculously easy with their technology. Even we can manufacture tailor segments of DNA. It takes awhile but our tech is primitive.
>>96898925If the Asgard were without flaws and capable of all of this, it would lead to questions as to why they aren't curbstomping every threat that SG-1 faces. They're very much the trope of the fading race past their glory and in their last days. They need to suck so that humans can look good.
>>96898603Hermiod just does a pinpoint beaming to get it out, it's not biology or genetics just scanning a brain and calculating how to target exactly the right spot.
>>96895018https://archive org/details/stargate-sg-1-RPG/Stargate%20SG-1%20-%20AtlantisYou mean this one?
>>96902802It's not about them having flaws, it's whether or not the flaws make sense. Star Wars played the same angle with the clone army, claiming that the Jango Juice they collected was running thin leading to less effective clones. Frankly I didn't think it made much sense, but then the number of young clones still in training didn't either. And by young I mean the age Boba was in Episode II but also down to babies. Even at double maturation speed it would be five years or more before any of those would be combat ready, unless they send in the Palpatinejugend into the fray. Who knows why the Republic was paying for all that.Anyway it just felt like the Kaminoans, being such great cloners, should be able to create designer lifeforms from just genetic plans, not just copied DNA. They can genetically engineer the clones, same as the Asgard can themselves, but somehow can't correct for any degradation. Maybe a degree of degradation would exist from before they could, but they should really be at as near to zilch degredation as possible. There should be a crystal somewhere called THOR MASTER FILE containing his genetic pattern. Every time a new Thor clone deviates from that just genetically engineer it back to proper form.Flaws, hubris, whatever. The Ancients had plenty of flaws and somehow still have huge amounts of data the Asgard haven't been able to figure out despite Atlantis showing us just how stupid they were, constantly (never sat well with me either because Asgard come off as still smarter than Ancients, overall, just with lesser tech for the most part). Having the Replicators as their enemy, a foe that keeps adapting to and assimilating their technology to achieve parity was a perfectly fine excuse foe.I could go on, but why bother? Truth is this is all just my opinion. It doesn't work, for me. Great, I guess. It doesn't have to be that way for everyone, and I can admit that.
>>96903755To be fair, some biology was at play. They said he was having to calculate very very exactly to ensure he only removed symbiote and nothing else. >>96906350Nice find! Thanks or the share!
>>96910862>Headcanon that works for me>Asgard create fresh new body for a mind to inhabit>Body gets old, new is required>The changes in the mind require a change to the make-up of the cloned body, this is a minor issue that is preventable in peace time>But it's not peace time>Errors compound on themselves and become exponentially more severe>Eventually you can not create a new body for the mind, the mind has experienced file corruption to the point that it is unsustainable>The only way to house a mind long-term is in an Asgard body >"Cloning", "DNA", "Genes", these are just words the Asgard use to communicate the gist of their incredibly sophisticated technology>"Like a wormhole?" "No."And I am at peace.
>>96910862>it's whether or not the flaws make senseNo. They need to be nerfed somehow for there to be any tension. If the Asgard could do what you describe, there's no reason for any of the other species to be able to oppose them, and anything SG-1 ran into in terms of opposition would be the question of why the Asgard allowed them to exist.
>>96910963>They need to be nerfed somehow for there to be any tension.As much as I love Stargate, it is not Star Trek. The writers were not chiefly concerned with creating a cohesive and sensible world, they were concerned with making exciting adventures of the week. Stargate is pulp. That's a quality, but it also means you just got to shut off your analytical brain at times, because otherwise you'll be overloaded with "Why don't they just-"s.
>>96910963I would hope they would make sense, especially if it's something like the Asgard who are couched in reason and logic. Not as unemotional as Vulcans, but close. For instance the episode showcasing that a major flaw they have is that they needed something with dumb enough ideas to help them defeat the Replicators. Someone thinking outside the box, adding in an X factor the Replicators don't have any experience with. Do something crazy and catch the enemy off guard. Also the fact that they just aren't as martial as the humans. We're still primitive and brutish, and that was a plus against the Replicators. Can you imagine an Asgard running around with a .50 cal? They seem to think of weapons as tools, and can make damn effective ones, but just don't have the same killer instinct as relatively primitive humans.Plus I LOVE that one of the themes in Stargate is that the older races are like failed parents. They had their day, and while they did great things, they have become too set in their ways. It is time to make way for "children" to come into their own.Mind you nitpicking scifi is nothing new. It's a storied pasttime of nerds everywhere, especially Trekkies. >>96911034 says as much, but I still have a huge affection for Stargate's world building. One of the reasons I hated hearing they were planning to reboot based on the first film and abandon the series completely. I think they need to realize if you're going to push the resurgence of a nostalgia franchise, there are probably more fans of the series than the film, and they'd be screwing them over.
>>96911034I agree. So that's why you make the Asgard a race on decline who can't just clone themselves over and over without any downsides. If they could, the anon who thinks it doesn't make sense that the Asgard can't just perfectly clone themselves in perpetuity would have some other "why don't they just" complaint instead of "why don't they just have a crystal of THOR MASTER FILE.">>96911086>Plus I LOVE that one of the themes in Stargate is that the older races are like failed parents. They had their day, and while they did great things, they have become too set in their ways. It is time to make way for "children" to come into their own.It's perfectly fine with me too, and it doesn't work if they Asgard aren't in decline because of their cloning problem. If they can surmount that, or never have it in the first place because they're master cloners.
>>96911128I think there were other reasons they could have been in decline instead of just sucking at one of their primary attributes, being a clone species adept at cloning. Still there is little reason in beating ones head over something that's already been done.Another example of something that bugs me is from season 2 of Atlantis. Both the SGC and the Atlantis Expedition are keenly aware that the Wraith have their own teleportation tech they use for mass abductions. The SGC also has experience remote operating railguns. I mean it's not like they have crews shooting them manually on their space battleships, right? The battle for Atlantis really could have benefited from them not clumping soldiers around railgun positions for the Wraith to pick off and instead invested in a long cord and a laptop to act as a remote fire control. Keep fire teams nearby, preferably under the cover of buildings, to defend railguns if the Wraith try to beam troops around them. But fine, they were pressed for time, and doing their best. It is what it is. No point making a bigger case out of it.That said the one episode I hate the worst was the first episode with the supergate. They dumbed down ALL the main characters. Carter never should have taken so long to realize the direct correlation to them dumping energy into the Ori shield and it expanding.
>>96910862Ancients are the epitome of DnD super high INT, dumpster WIS. They weren't that good even at making weapons either, Asgard trump them there, remember the Ancient's big ultra killer drones are just that: drones. Yeah they phase through stuff, but they're effectively an engine, a communications link to a nearby control chair, a phase shifter (even Tollan had that), and a bomb.
>>96910890I mean, thankfully its part of that bundle there. Save what you can. I found some other scattered resources. Does anyone have any other old resources? The wayback machine is only of limited use I am afraid.
>>96911820I love some of their other issues. An entire super city, supposedly their LAST of the functional city ships, Atlantis, and it somehow has no facilities for either making drones or zero point modules, two things they absolutely desperately need.If Atlantis had had a post-credits scene I'd have loved for Rodney to be inspecting damage from landing on Earth only to find a sealed room he dismissed since the first season. Opens it up and finds out it's chock full of zero point modules, stares, then says, "Well shi-" Cut to black.Of course I think they were still hoping to do film continuations at that point. Didn't SG1 have another planned film that was cancelled along with Universe? I can't remember it's been so long.Admittedly while it may not make much sense, lack of drones and power was their constant worry throughout the series so it was never going to happen. Even on rare occasions when they had a steady power source they'd end up draining the ZPM trying to get alternate universe Rodney back home.
>>96915745I wouldn't be surprised if Atlantis does have facilities for drones, but they're somewhere out in the docks or some shit and nobody found them. It is the size of Manhattan according to Rodney, you'd need millions to fully populate and explore it.I believe it's a common fan theory that the Ori ships used the perfected energy generator Atlantis found that used our universe as a ZPM for energy extraction due to design similarities too.
>>96919117Also in theory they could have scuttled facilities like that just in case the wraith stumbled on them? I don't know, they still had a lot, including the stardrive. Maybe they thought it moot without the power and I don't think they feared the Wraith finding it. So the Wraith get interdimensional drives, but they'd have no idea where the Ancients fled. That's a lot of space to cover.Personally I always found the Ancient history a convoluted mess. First they were in the Ori galaxy, split off, found Pegasus, got Wraithed, fled to Milky Way, got super AIDS, some ascended. However how long between each, and trying to figure out how or even if their technology improved, who knows. Especially when you consider shit like SGU with the super ship that just uses stars for fuel and can crap out stargates in distant worlds across various galaxies.Same thing arguably happened in SG1 to a certain degree. The goa'uld ships were fast, but still took ages to get between worlds, until Apophis suddenly had super drives on his ships, then every Goa'uld and even the Tok'Ra had that shit. Then there was the power scaling as they kept introducing big Goa'uld super ships. At least Anubis had the excuse of pimping his out with Ascended knowledge, though limited in how he could use it. Which I always felt was a silly rule, since any knowledge he could gain as a Goa'uld could include anything from one of the Ancient repositories that grabs your face and makes out with your brain (which he did almost manage to get his forces to seize).
>>96919205>but still took ages to get between worldsWasn't that just Teal'c being misinformed? He thought it was only twice or ten times the speed of light, but didn't know any better. It wasn't until Carter saw how fast they were moving that she realised their true speed.Other Goa'uld getting it is a stretch but not too much, they do have engineers and technicians who slowly develop things and are then required to share it with other System Lords (Niirti got in trouble because she had been secretly developing cloaking tech without sharing it). Plus the Tok'ra are constantly trying to ensure no one Goa'uld gains dominance over the others, they probably have slipped one the tech of another before just to keep them balanced, infighting, and distracted so the Tok'ra can slowly build towards a decapitation strike. Which they nearly did at the System Lord gathering before Osiris revealed that Anubis was back.
>>96858545>longest continuously running science fiction show everWasn't that Doctor Who? On a slightly related note, would it be possible to link the Sliders universe with the Stargate universe for a multi-spatial multi-dimensional adventure?
>>96919205>First they were in the Ori galaxy, split off, found Pegasus, got Wraithed, fled to Milky Way, got super AIDS, some ascended.That's not actual how it went. They came to the Milky Way first, then Atlantis fucked off to Pegasus to escape the super AIDs and then the surviving Atlanteans came back to Earth to escape the Wraith and then Ascended.
>>96920200>Wasn't that Doctor Who?No, Doctor Who went through several extended breaks over it's run. SG-1 became the longest coniuly running Sci-fi series in '07, beating X-Files by like half a dozen episodes. Then a few years later Smallville took the title, but honestly that was more teen drama with some superhero trappings for at least the first 6-7 seasons, so it really shouldn't have counted.
>>96920382I think you're mistaken. Doctor Who had a continuous run from 1963 to 1989, and Guinness acknowledges it as the longest scifi show. https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/longest-running-science-fiction-tv-serieshttps://collider.com/longest-running-sci-fi-shows-ranked/
>>96868837>I'm tempted to use the E20 G.I. Joe system, primarily because it's a system at least designed around weird alien technologies and tactical military assaults.Um... Anon... You know that's based on 5e too, right? It's a bit more customized compared to others but it's still 5e at it's core
>>96906350>https://archive org/details/stargate-sg-1-RPG/Stargate%20SG-1%20-%20AtlantisNo, I have that one as well. But it looks like that one got an updated version with a proper book layout and such. The text is substantially similar, but I haven't checked to see what the differences are.Tried to upload it again. "Unsupported Filetype (since when is PDF unsupported on /tg/?)"
>>96922867>since when is PDF unsupported on /tg/?Since 4chan got haxxored and 0wn3d a couple of months ago. Post PDFs to catbox.moe and show the link here.
>>96848878I wish I did. I ran this system for years, it was fun.
>>96919338Teal'c has been on several campaigns as the First Prime, so I'd hope he knows how long it takes for ships tor each places. He knows what their tech does, what he has admitted in early seasons is he has no idea how the hell any of it works. His job is to fly and shoot, not fiddle with the technical bits.
>>96922867>since when is PDF unsupported on /tg/Because in his boundless wisom, after 4chan got taken down by a security hole, hiro decided that PDFs are now haram, rather than fixing the actual hole (which is a decade-old lack of proper updates that would take maybe 3-4 hours to pull).I am forever pissed moot sold 4chan to that moron. From all possible options, this was the most sketchy and everyone knows hiro mismanaged 2c to death, but nah, let's give him 4c, too.
>>96922867Bro we are skirting page 10, upload that shit to catbox please!
>>96884810>being this dishonestthey defeated a fucking system lord in just one season, anon. Be realistic here, if the fucking PILOT establishes that the guys who were experienced in fighting Jaffa got wiped and captured, there is no actual way that anything the US military had that could oppose the system lords. Way to prove my point by ignoring that the Jaffa and system lords took a hit to their intelligence with the end of season 2 and the beginning of season 3.>>96882378Before they got that base a pyramid invasion force was sent to earth and in the alternate universe that's all that was needed to ruin 2/3rds of the planet.
>>96920772Disagree. Apart from it being a class-based, d20 game, they play very differently.>5e:>HP: High HP, high damage. 1 point of damage represents an injury that will persist throughout the day, such as a bad cut or a mild burn.>Defense: You have a single Armour class for everything and Saving Throws you have to make>Damage: Attacks deal randomized damage with bonuses based on your abilities>Classes: Multi-class focused>Skill Checks: You have a set series of skills that you gain bonuses to based on your Characteristic Points, as well as if you are proficient or not>Equipment: Loot, buy and keep getting better and better weapons as the campaign goes on as well as a money system to be used to buy better and better equipment.>Dice Throws: Just throw the D20 and add numbers to it. 20 on the die is a critical success>E20>HP: Low HP, Low Damage. 1 point of damage represents how much damage it takes to incapacitate the average human.>Defense: 4 different defense scores determined by what and how many skills you allocate points to, with more points awarded at Level 1>Damage: Every weapon deals a set amount of damage with classes modifying it with their abilities.>Classes: Locked into a single class, with the Rangers getting access to Prestige Classes.>Skill Checks: You allocate points to different skills to add bigger and bigger dice, with Specializations to allow for more consistency, as well as higher critical output.>Equipment: Requisitoned or gained through abilities, as opposed to being found, no money system to speak of.>Dice Throws: Roll d20 for any ability, then add another dice based on how many points you have in that skill and specialization in the skill allows you to roll more dice for the purposes of taking the highest. Rolling the highest result on the dice that aren't the d20 scores a critical.If you argued 3e due to the focus on allocating points, multiple defenses and focus on prestige classes, i'd have been more inclined to agree.
Jaffa kree!
>>96933510Jaffa cake!
>>96933992They never gave Teal'C a jaffa cake. Missed opportunity.
>>96933510shol'va
>>96924876Would Teal'c know if he was told otherwise though. Apophis tells Teal'c that the ships move 10x the speed of light, Teal'c assumes as First Prime that the magic of the gods is faster than light itself, which to him (not knowing shit about physics) just means "really fucking fast wow Goa'uld magic is mighty".Whether the Goa'uld know that their ships are actually 100x that or not isn't really relevant beyond estimating the size of the galaxy and various scientific things that is irrelevant to a Jaffa's job of fighting and dying, to 99% of Jaffa it's just "magic makes it go really fast".I am trying to see if there's a way to easily infer away the plot hole and retcon here in part, admittedly, but I don't think it's a great stretch.
>>96936635Teal'c isn't dumb, even if limited in what the Goa'uld largely allow him to know. Pretty sure he'd notice if trips between planets within his god's domain suddenly were shorter, let alone attacks on distant enemy worlds beyond Apophis' borders. Besides, the Goa'uld just didn't teach him how to rewire a ship, but that's not his job. He was a soldier then First Prime, why would he need to know Carter levels of information about how the ships tech works? There would be zero reason to withhold from him how long it takes to reach different worlds. He's First fucking Prime. His job was to plan and execute campaigns for Apophis.
>>96937017>>96936635To be fair, Teal'c told Carter>A Goa'uld ha'tak vessel can travel at ten times the speed of light.Carter devised, based on the coordinates of the destination they used, that it would take a year or more to reach Earth at ten times the speed of light. When they instead arrived in, what, hours? Carter said obviously they can go a lot faster than ten times light speed.
AAAAAA POST THE DAMN BOOK ANON
god i JUST want to FUCK amanda tapping
>>96945159She seems like the pegging type.
>>96947517
>>96945159This but Teryl Rothery
>>96945159>>96949710You're giving me flashbacks to dealing with deranged Sam-Frasier shippers on usenet. Those are the fucks that ruined Stargate, forget about Amazon or SyFy.
>>96949778>Sam-Frasier shippersThat's hot
>>96949710>this anon turns his head and coughs
>>96920544>Doctor Who had a continuous run from 1963 to 1989Huh, I was always under the impression there were breaks in the original series and that's why SG-1 got the record in 06/07>Guinness acknowledges it as the longest scifi show.Yeah, overall. They've titled the record>Most prolific science-fiction TV series (by episode)Where as the record SG-1 got was>Longest Consecutive Running Sci-Fi TV ShowSo honestly, I'm fucked if I know what's what.Although, I did just discover that Stargate holds the Guinness record for 'Most northerly film shoot' for the stuff they shot in the artic for Stargate: Continuum.
>>96949778>>96949810>Adopted a girl to raise together>Air Force lifersI don't know, they sound like lesbians to me.
>>96851590>Keep in mind Jaffa armor somehow blocked bursts from an M60 so I wouldn't be suprised if the 7.62 equivalent to a Beowulf round would be developed.In order to penetrate better we should develop a cartridge with a larger slower projectile?
>>96858406And, of course, when every dickhead has at minimum a shuttle capable of interstellar travel the titular stargates were rendered pointless.
>>96953021Yeah hyperspace travel speed was one of the big holes in everything. How would you guys do it? What would you say is a good "average" speed for Goa'uld ships?
>>96953021>And, of course, when every dickhead has at minimum a shuttle capable of interstellar travel the titular stargates were rendered pointless.Really?Imagine if you had a magic door in your house that you could punch a location into, then walk through and be instantly there. Would owning a car then render this magic door pointless?>Have magic door>Work at place that's an hours drive away>Work also has a magic door>Do you spend an hour driving to work, or do you just use the magic door?>Have magic door>Local grocery store is 10mins drive away>Has magic door>You star cooking dinner but soon realise that you're missing an important ingredient>Do you spend 10mins driving down to the grocery store, 5mins finding what you need and buying it and then another 10mins driving home? Or do you just use the magic door and save 20mins?>Have magic door>Go on holiday to other side of the country>Unpack bags at hotel and realise you forgot your phone charger or something>Hotel has a magic door>Do you just go and buy a new charger/whatever you need, or do you use the magic door to pop home, grab your thing and come back?
>>96848878How does it handle those killer lego things? What's sad is that killer Legos is far, far more realistic than nanotechnology in fiction.
>>96848878Why would you be interested in this? Pretty much every person who knew this show existed is dead now.
>>96955360>Lord YuMe?
>>96967074Nah, we're just 30 to 50 years old, though I admit that's just one step removed from dead
>>96858545And 0 legacy.Sad!
>>969371081: They make a big point, several times in multiple episodes, that the Goa'uld intentionally keep knowledge of their 'magic' from the Jaffa - Teal'c is not a credible source when it comes to numbers and specifics2: Even good sci-fi sucks at understanding the scale and size required for interstellar everything. The hardest of hard sci fi can do it, but often becomes just a physics text book when it does - or just precludes most of the interesting stories because they wouldn't be physically possible.
>>96858545and nobody's ever heard of it LOL
>>96911034Then it's bad.
>>96969405Still seems dubious. Not giving them technical knowledge of their craft is one thing, the HOW of their technology. That makes sense, akin to a magician not wanting people to see the nature of his tricks. They don't want to spoil the allusion that they are gods.However the RESULT of their technology they not only have no reason to hide, it's part of them appearing like greater beings. Making their ships seem slower than they really are just makes them look lesser. It completely goes against their air of godhood.
>>96974229Gods move at their own pace.
>>96974241Yeah but fat asses like Nerus were, thankfully, apparently rare.
>>96858406I think there are a few issues at play. One is that as System Lords were popping off, the ones filling the vacuum were other System Lords. They keep what they kill, but also move in and absorb territories from anyone defeated by any means. It becomes a land grab. Ba'al did this when Anubis supposedly died over Earth with the first use of the Antarctica chair claiming the Kull warriors before any other System Lords managed to. Turns out he was also Anubis' butt buddy so that's probably how. Also ultimately the one aspect most exploited against the Goa'uld was their arrogance. Other Goa'uld could fall, they nevertheless felt THEY would survive. Because of this they constantly underestimate their enemies, especially normal humans. Even when Ba'al was using a normal voice and acting suave and charming it was clear he was also underestimating the Tau'ri, especially females. And, ultimately, it helps to remember that some of the biggest blows against the System Lords didn't come from the Tau'ri directly. First Anubis began consolidating power and killing rivals, and his downfall left the others on their back foot except for Ba'al, which signaled his rise as we saw it. Even worse was the plague of Replicators which focused on Goa'uld worlds in particular as the largest source of high tech worlds and fleets. When the Jaffa claimed the ships cleansed of Replicators, creating the Free Jaffa Nation. This undercut the largest support base of the System Lords as they drained off their Jaffa armies. One of the reasons Ba'al later tried to create his own independent Stargate network, creating an area of space with only him as the man in charge.
>>96883149Curiously, or maybe not depending on how you feel about it, the sarcophagus is apparently the main reason the goa'ulds are assholes. They likely are naturally jerks, especially how they'd view their hosts as lesser beings but the reason the tok'ra specifically hate to use it is that it "devours their goodness" which Daniel admitted he felt when he was addicted to the sarcophagus.Egeria rejecting the ways of the goa'uld is still significant, I don't want to take from that, but ultimately the reason why no other Goa'uld was able to do the same was the damn sarcophagus. The closest I can think of is the chick that fell in love with Jonas Quinn. Not sure if it's because she's possibly young and lower ranking so she's not been exposed to the sarcophagus enough, or it's...the power of love.Personally I hate that last one. So damn cliche.
>>96974439Baal explicitly was said to avoid the sarcophagus as much as possible, instead swapping hosts, because he recognised something was flawed in its design. Might be why he was so genial compared with some of them, and didn't seem quite as convinced of his godhood (or at least he wore it much more lightly than the ones who really believed they were gods). Yu didn't quite seem as obsessed with godhood as some of them either.
>>96976516>>96974439According to the RPG over time it starts infusing you with Naquadah as part of how it sends you crazy, and the Goa'uld queens were unable to prevent the naquadah from transmitting to their spawn. It also, with Unas hosts, is much quicker and more permanent in the insanity it brings, probably because it was adapted down from the Ancient tech that was SUPPOSED to work on advanced human physiology and Goa'uld are only able to get it to a mostly stable level after they start using human hosts, even if the humans are more primitive and prone to side effects than the Ancients were.
>>96976516I'm not sure exactly how goa'ulds age. Their hosts enjoyed almost double the lifespan and can have much more with a sarcophagus, but rapidly age if denied a sarcophagus for an extended period of time. However even the goa'uld have upper limits with Yu reaching the point he could no longer have his life expanded. (as for Yu's interests it's hard to say given he was sliding into symbiote dementia)I'm also not sure how the cloning process may have altered things. He certainly seemed vain given he made sure to clone the host too, but that had a two-fold reason. It meant they didn't need a bunch of different actors, and it also meant we could identify Ba'al instantly since the host as the outer wrapper is all we see. He did swap to Adria, briefly. Ultimately though I don't know how much of Ba'al's persona was an act. They're good at that, after all. Nerus played a similar game with Landry. Bumbling fat man to try to make you forget that he has a evil genius snake in his head. He tended to be all smiles when posing as a businessman on Earth, or among SG-1. We still saw versions of him playing the living god among his Jaffa.I don't know. He's still my favorite goa'uld, RIP to the actor.
>>96976544I'm not sure I get that as a consequence of using the Sarcophagus because we're told the naquadah in their blood is essential for powering all their tech. Personal shields, the handheld healing device, etc. Tok'ra have it as well. Of course it could still be a side effect they found was useful.
>>96980515>rapidly age if denied a sarcophagus for an extended period of time.Unless this is brought up in the final seasons, I am pretty sure Apophis aged rapidly because his human host was well over 5000 years old, and Apophis even older. When Daniel's ex girlfriend unearthed a horny guld from the same time period, the human host was sexy even without access to gald tech beyond a tel'tak. From what I understood is that the goold keeps the host fit (and superhuman if applicable) and extends their lifespan considerably, but only the sarcophagus allows them to survive for a thousand years and up. Notably the horny goeld was stuck in a stasis jar, and would be at least 5000 years younger than YOUR LORD, APOPHIS.
>>96980658Actually, I would like to fact check myself: Because Apophis is the brother of Ra, and Heru'ur is Ra's son; it is reasonable to believe that your lord is either Hathor (if we believe golds have property transfer through something equivalent to marriage), or Heru'ur if we believe that guild systems are passed down to children, notably the strongest among them. Worship accordingly.
>>96980658Yeah, the comment was about the host specifically. After all, Apophis was demanding a new host, and if the symbiote was similarly aging to death that would have been pointless. It helps that there's a lot of things the symbiote is immune or at least resistant to things a human is not, something they tend to extend to the host. Such as the goa'uld-tendo. That shit was pleasant radiation with a lightshow, symbiote LSD, that would drive humans to suicide if they didn't get it on the regular.On an unrelated note, I'm surprised they didn't make more of Sam carrying the memories of Jolinar to explain the rapid advancements or at least her ability to rewire their tech so handily. I guess they felt it downplayed her own brilliance, but I'd see it more as the tok'ra's technical knowledge coupled with her own intellect. I mean we learn that she designed most of the systems aboard the hybrid human battleships.
Sucks how they fumbled this franchise.
>>96982107I think it's due a comeback and could succeed, though with modern streaming short seasons that's always such a gamble. Also as long as whoever was behind that raging abortion that was Origins. Can't believe they got Trip Tucker back and all and it was still a steaming pile of rancid ass spew. Of course that was when MGM was trying to use Stargate to help their own service "Stargate Command". I'm not a huge fan of Universe, but I know some people who liked it. I think they just tried to ape BSG too much and left out a lot of the goofiness that made the earlier series so much fun. But the franchise was definitely struggling by that point. Universe didn't kill it, but definitely tipped it into its grave for a time.
>>96858384Aschen vaccine status?
>>96982722Black holed, and progressively darker after that.
>>96967074The healing chamber keeps us alive
>>96933510Shel kek nem ron
>>96891012Is that Hooters? The only good thing about the show
Rewatching SG1, Thor's Chariot is such a weirdly positioned episode. It ends with Thor setting the Hammer back in place, but then Secrets 3 episodes later gets back into goa'uld drama and it's totally ignored that the means to purge the goa'uld was back on the table.
>>96982722I always thought this was a bit amusing give the Aschen's method of dealing with enemies (and allies!) was biological weapons. Presumably that's how they dealt with the goa'uld and very likely the tok'ra as well given how they imply that there may not even be any tok'ra left. Flash forward and what may have been the most effective strikes against the goa'uld were from the Trust using symbiote poison. They could wipe out entire goa'uld strongholds since they tend to cluster themselves around the gate (and also wiped out rebel jaffa and tok'ra in the mix). Assuming they picked their targets wisely they could have done monumental damage to the System Lords well beyond what Stargate Command had achieved to that point.
>>96953015yes. Good to know you're trying to keep up with the rest of us.
Athena, Bastet, Nirrti or Amaterasu. Which one would you?
>>96980658Yeah, past a certain point it's the host who needs the sarcophagus more than the snake does. The snake will eventually need it as well, but that limit is much higher, and if they switch hosts they probably don't need to spend as much energy repairing the body they're in and shortening their own lifespan to need the sarcophagus themselves (Tok'ra have been going for thousands of years but it's only "recently" that Selmak is starting to succumb to old age, which was I think said outright to be because he spent so much energy trying to keep Jacob's cancer gone).
>>96983464>AthenaWhere did we see her?
>>96982884Heru-ur would have just kept coming for it. The Goa'uld knew about Earth's address by that point, and they didn't yet have the Asgard treaty protecting them.
>>96983464Kali
>>96983569enjoy the poo fetish. happy diwali.
>>96982884thor's hammer was a bluff and the fact Thor had to deploy his flagship meant the fleet was nowhere near as large as it's assumed. I would imagine if enough system lords banded together, especially competent ones like Ba'al and Yu, they could cripple the fleet.
>>96983494Season 10, episode 8; 'Memento Mori'.>While out having dinner with Dr. Daniel Jackson, Vala Mal Doran is kidnapped by The Trust, led by the Goa'uld Athena, who once allied herself with Qetesh to get to the Clava Thessara Infinitas. Vala escapes, but loses her memories, and now works as a waitress in a diner. It is now a matter of who will retrieve her first, the Trust, or SG-1.
>>96848878Some things I pulled off the web for SG1 many, many years ago - https://gofile.io/d/YIWBw5
>>96983817The bluff wasn't that they didn't have a huge fleet, they did. The bluff was that they weren't busy fighting a galaxy wide war against Replicators. Up until Anubis rolled in and upgraded Goa'uld ships with Ancient knowledge there was nothing any Goa'uld ship could do to an Asgard ship.
>>96983499>>96983817Yeah, but in theory Thor put the whole anti-Goa'uld prison maze back in place. Which was seen as a possible route to de-Goa'ulding someone. And then three episodes later Sha're popped back up, yet it was never considered. So it seems like episodes might've been out of order or something, else that makes little sense.
>>96983464>>96983569Based and same.I like her hat.Morrigan and Hathor can fight for second place.
>>96985091It is a pretty great hat & I love a good veil
>>96984360If that was true then the Asgard would've taken out at least two to three minor system lords by that point, wouldn't they? The Asgard fleet is just Thor's command fleet, nothing more. Is it a powerful fleet? Yes. Can they replace their losses if they had any? No. Unlike the Goa'uld who could just produce more ha'taks and casually have tens of motherships. Anubis and Ba'al could've formed a basic military alliance and rape them knowing it takes only one mothership and its bombers to decimate a planet.
>>96987448>Can they replace their losses if they had any?I don't buy it. The Asgard replace everything. Their dead people, their ships, even their homeworld. They are masters of, "Oh shit, we're gonna need another Timmy."
>>96987448>>96988917fwiw the Asgard held their own for years against an enemy so infamous for rapidly increasing its numbers they were literally called Replicators. It took quite some time before attrition began to push them back. With the occasional need for human stupidity to win the day, of course.
>>96988917they are a dying race, anon. They softened that fact pretty hard later on but the fact is the Asgard actually DON'T have the capacity to replace things as much as they want. They're a shade of what they once were and the alliance they once had with the nox and other major galactic powers against the goa'uld is proof of that. Each one has faded in some way, the nox have fully comitted to cutting themselves off from the rest of the universe by using their advanced cloaking tech, the asgard had to rely on the Goa'ulds decadence and stagnation, and every other major civilization is either a remnant or a non-factor on the solar scale. Any group not on their technological level gets shitstomped by the Goa'uld and we have the Tollan to prove it.
>>96984743>they de-symbiote Sha're>take her and Harcesis to Earth>Heru-ur knows where Earth is>Heru-ur knows Tau'ri have her (since they fought him there)>no Asgard treatyNothing would stop him from just showing up in orbit and taking over.
>>96987448They could have and supposedly early on the Asgard were taking an active hand against the System Lords, hence why the System Lords feared the Asgard and retreated when they showed up. But they got caught up in the Replicator problem in their home galaxy, reduced their presence and let the Protected Planets treaty be established. They stopped fighting the war against the Goa'uld.Then by the time SG1 is happening, the Asgard have very nearly nothing to spare, and by the start of Season 4 they really literally do have no ships to spare whatsoever, which is why Thor had to use a stargate. The Replicators were snowballing harder and harder, so you have exponential accelerated growth. Thor did come to Cimmeria, but that is a rare, uncommon occurrence and probably only happened because a System Lord had attacked it and if he didn't then every protected planet would be fucked because the Goa'uld would have called his bluff.As Teal'c said in the episode, "Asgard mother ships are described in Jaffa legend" - which means he as former First Prime and almost a century old has NEVER seen one before, so the Asgard have not been dealing with or handling the Goa'uld for long enough that their ships have passed into the category of legend for the Jaffa. Only the older System Lords (Yu, etc.) still remember them enough to respect their power, younger and newer System Lords have probably never encountered them on the battlefield.
>>96989210they make it expressly known that they're commiting civilizational suicide and are all suffering from a degenerative disease that has no cure. What you see of the Asgard is the degenerated form that's nothing like what they once were. They're sickly and have to rely solely on their tech for their survival, which I might remind you isn't enough to defeat copy and paste. Secondly the war of attrition against the replicators started centuries before the show even starts. Which means between taking losses AND their cloning turning their people into congenital defects on life support or literal invalids, there's a reason Thor had to show up himself. Because what they have left IS ALL THEY HAVE LEFT.
>>96989299They didn't have the degenerative disease until late in S10. It was their last attempt to fix the slower error build-up, and all it caused was the errors began to multiply out of control.It's also worth noting that while cloning produced more and more errors, Asgard brains and minds were significantly more advanced than the rest of their bodies (and they were immune to being taken as a host).
>>96989164Them hitting the upper limit was introduced later, and I would argue within context of the larger Replicator conflict likely exacerbated by the number of losses they were suffering. Burning through their cloning materials. Still even by the end of the series they certainly didn't have to kill themselves, they simply chose to do so. I'd point out to you the Vanir did not.Also I think you're forgetting that the Tollan were Anubised. Anubis was employing his Ascended knowledge however he was allowed, albeit limited to what he could achieve as a Goa'uld. This allowed him to create shields that tanked the Tollan ion cannons, but also allowed him to destroy Thor's command ship and capture the Asgard leader. Acting like Anubis was typical for the Goa'uld is highly disingenuous.
>>96989359Even Anubis had limits, too. The weapon he used to overwhelm the gate at Stargate Command was something he couldn't replace, and similarly thanks to SG1 the Tollan didn't end up giving their phasing technology to him though it cost the species their lives. Shame they couldn't figure out how to phase their entire planet since that worked against the Ori.
>>96989398Anubis was very scrupulous in how he stuck to the rules given him by the Others when they kicked him out, threading it like a needle eye sometimes to make sure he didn't get in trouble. He could only use Ascended knowledge insofar as if it was something he could have attained as a Goa'uld. So he can go and find the gate-destroyer weapon and then use that, because theoretically any Goa'uld could find and use it, and Anubis had already researched the Ancients and their tech.What he can't do is just turn on Ascended knowledge of the universe, instantly locate where the gate-destroyer is, and get it that way. Or he can't just use Ascended knowledge or power to know how to build a new one if the existing one is destroyed. His Ascension does mean he's basically impossible to kill, but in the same way as the gate-destroyer, if the Tollan don't want to give him their phasing tech, he can't just replicate it with Ascended knowledge.
>>96989330The degenerative disease was a result of the cloning. You could remove that detail completely and it still will be established the Asgard are cloning themselves into being frail genetically dysfunctional invalids. From the fact the first time they're seen is the degenerated form means they're already well into losing against the replicators AND are a shadow of what they once were as everyone that's alive is whoever's genetic code hasn't degraded enough into being pakistani levels of bad. And I'll remind you, the metric shitton of plot armor the Tau'ri had extends to their deus ex machina allies in the Asgard, of course they're not going to take any significant loss and that hurt the entire stakes of the setting. Also they were not immune as Ra was a Asgard named Fimir who got hosted, which is why he was the most effective and supreme system lord. >>96989359>>96989398>>96989440Anubis was the same as Ra and they were making it pretty blatant that he was going to be the next Supreme if he wasn't stopped. You're basically saying Ra was never powerful when he and Anubis had the same level of power. And one was a supreme because of how powerful he was, who had every system lord beholden to him. During a period when open conflict between the Asgard and the Goa'uld was happening.
>>96989613The degenerative disease was an attempt to fix the cloning issues that backfired. They're separate but related.The Asgard bodies are decaying before they try the last ditch fix, but their minds are unaffected and only grew greater. They minmaxed and paid the price.
>>96989613If taking an Asgard as a host was all it needed, then Anubis wouldn't have had to go to the trouble of draining knowledge from Thor's mind anon. He'd just stick a symbiote in there. Or possess Thor himself like he did to some others.
>>96989440Of course I think his endgame was to get a hold of one of those Ancient databases. If he had one of those, he's suddenly at liberty to use a fuck ton of advanced knowledge. Apart from that any Ancient facility was a primary interest of his. It'd be hard for the other Ascended to make a case that he can't use their own tech once he seized it.>>96989613Ra was pretty advanced in what he had, but seemed to have a hold of some pretty op Ancient trinkets. Also if we consider the film it has always been floated that his host was not really a human at all, rather he was using a disguise and his true host was an Asgard. I don't know what the canon view is, but it's been a popular theory for how he was able to top the System Lords. In terms of power seen in the series, I think a better argument would be made to compare Anubis to Apophis at least insofar as both had super ships and were steamrolling the other System Lords and amassing huge gains. But Anubis with his knowledge was always op. Most, I think, because Anubis was fully willing to cheat when he felt he could get away with it. As we saw with the Ori the Ancients were ridiculously lenient about their rules being bent, by others such as the creation of Adria, or even their own in the case of Merlin's weapon. Very pragmatic.
>>96989613Ra having an Asgard host was cut from the RPG, and it's never suggested in the actual show at all. As the RPG thus gives it, Ra was an Unas when he made it to Earth the first time.
>>96990066The biggest advantage of all that Anubis had wasn't his knowledge, though I'd say that was his second biggest advantage, but that he was Ascended at all. He literally couldn't die, he's an energy being inhabiting a higher dimension of existence and only extruding his higher form into it through some unfathomable means, so no matter how many times he might be on the back foot, captured, get his ships blown up, plans foiled, what are the System Lords going to do? Shoot him? He has the closest claim of all of them to being a REAL living god. The only thing that would or could ultimately stop him was another Ascended, either one able to defy the Others and wipe him out or if Oma finally agreed to correct the mistake she made with him.I agree that his goal for the databases was probably to be allowed to use Ancient tech. That wouldn't be the same as all Ascended tech, of course, we know that the Ancients themselves are only "some" of the various Ascended so there's probably much more stuff that you can do as Ascended that even Ancients couldn't, but it'd be enough to give him an overwhelming advantage against anything besides the Ori, who have full access to Ascended knowledge and aren't shy about handing it out to their minions.
>>96990127It was kind of a dual edged state of affairs. He couldn't die by normal means, though of course we did see that Ascended beings can be BTFO with sufficient technology. He still suffered greatly in that his ability to affect the material plane was limited to host bodies, and he was burning through those. And we never did see how he got off that one frozen planet but his ability to leave a region of space is very limited. He needed to hit a ride on a cosmonaut and from there infiltrate the SGC. He can very likely be ditched in a sufficiently backwater area and it would take a miracle for him to get back. I also have to wonder what would happen if he was introduced to a black hole. Can he escape that kind of pull?While talking about him, I'm really not sure what his plan was for Son of Anubis. So he can ascend again, or have a copy ascend, but then what? I can't imagine they others would welcome him. As I understand it Anubis being partially ascended at all is because the other Ancients wanted to punish Oma.
Something that always bugged me about Oma is that we only ever saw her with a disciple a few times. Daniel a bit, the guy on the planet the Jaffa hoped to reach, and of course Shifu the goa'uld boy. You'd think given she trains people to ascend, helping them on the journey, that she'd have a whole group of followers. And, as we see, when Ascended beings work together they are able to pool their abilities. She surely never needed to tackle Anubis alone, and with him being partially descended surely she and a group of like minded allies could have fucked him up. Anubis even feared Daniel, though Oma is the one who stopped Daniel. I'm not saying it's quite as easy as that. The other Ascended would still be far more powerful and can still put their non-corporeal feet down, but it's just weird it never came up. She ascended everyone in Abydos but we never saw them again.
>>96990091there's two different RPG's, anon. One has him as an Asgard host. Which in turn would explain all the advanced tech he had. the nu-rpg also butchers the characterization of entire races so I wouldn't appeal to authority with the hacks penning it.
>>96990214Even if he's dumped in a black hole, he still seems to be allowed to move around in his ascended form, he could pop back to the diner or whatever other dimensional realms he can access. He could probably fly away himself too, it'd just take millions of years for him to get anywhere because he has to move at the same speed he'd be limited to as a Goa'uld? That part seems a bit hazy to me, but existing in the diner at the same time he's existing in the material universe fucking around doesn't seem to be a problem, he can pop up and down there at will as far as we see so moving around at walking speed is probably allowed.But the core rule of the Others is that you only deserve to be there if you can get there on your own. If Khalek, which was Anubis by any other name since he had Anubis' memories and personality, had ascended under his own power, then he would be an Ascended Anubis fully deserving to be there. The Others wouldn't be able to kick him out. It might also end Anubis 1.0's exile too, since he has proven he deserves to be there via Anubis 2.0, so Ship of Theseus argument?>>96990255The Ascended have their own factions. The biggest faction is the Others, who are the ones who believe no interaction, no meddling. At least "some" Ancients are part of this faction (Oma states that in the diner scenes), but NOT all, some wish to take a larger role but are limited by the rules of the Others (the majority). Morgan Le Fay says "not enough" so we know there's at least a minority (but not majority). Additionally, she explicitly went to Atlantis under orders to quietly leak information, almost certainly for her group among the Ascended, so there is blatantly some sort of factional conflict going on in the higher planes.The Ori are another Ascended faction. There's probably more we don't see. We don't know what happened to the Abydonians, maybe they joined Morgan's faction.
The Asgard an-heroing has to be one of the dumbest fucking things the series ever did.
>>96990341They just wanted to put them on the bus. They did this many times, like fucking over the tau'ri, rebel jaffa, and tok'ra alliance just so it would be humanity against the bad guys practically alone. But why build it up if you're just going to tear it down? They did this again with the Free Jaffa Nation, first making them more antagonistic than allies and finally having the Ori sweep them under the rug (at least for awhile).But the funny thing is the Asgard could have survived in part. We saw that their minds could survive even within computer systems. Surely at least some could have survived in that state, remained as teachers or maybe continuing to work on the problem with the hopes of eventually reviving their race. At least the Vanir, however antagonistic, mean the Asgard species isn't entirely gone.
>>96990341that and the fact the goa'uld are turned into such a complete joke they have to introduce demigod humans as an opponent to Earth. Ori is stupid no matter how cool they come off as, and you can tell they were meant to be Goa'uld just from the ship designs.
One way this made sense to me is that Stargate has a theme to it that expressed spirituality as superior to technology. Technology is ultimately a sterile path, even a dead end. The Replicators are the pinnacle of technology, or at least the ones in Pegasus were, with all the knowledge of the Ancients pre-retreat to Earth, but they ultimately found they could not ascend (except to a subspace hell). The Asgard's pursuit of technology ultimately doomed their species, rendering them incapable of ascending, trading away many of the benefits of being unmodified having culled parts of themselves that ultimately were useful, things they once had they recognized in humanity. And of course the cloning was their downfall. Similarly we know those Ancients who did not Ascend eventually died out, despite all their technology, allowing humanity to replace them as the "second iteration of this form" or however they described it.But I don't blame people who are skeptical. After all, Stargate had a lot of technological cheats to ascension. The Ancients themselves had an Ascension machine and Nirrti and Anubis both employed artificial evolution tech. Still with Tao of Rodney it was ultimately his attempt to reach a spiritual state, taught by John, that finally gave him the solution. Just being evolved is part of it, as non-evolved humans need help from people like Oma, but it's not quite as simple as that. The spiritual aspect may ultimately be the most important. The jackholes in Pegasus behind the temporal barrier that sped up time eventually managed to ascend. Weren't those guys regular humans? I can't recall seeing any powers from them beyond the beast they created being a projection of their fears as they were near Ascension.
>>96990412I was never a fan of the Ori and didn't feel they were that cool. More could have possibly been done with them, but the whole proselytizing was whack. I also felt all the Arthurian stuff was incredibly forced. Which is a shame because I wanted to love it. I mean Ben Browder and Claudia Black together again? Fuck yeah!But I know some people really dug the Arthurian stuff, so opinions vary. I can't fault anyone, I just didn't really dig the direction they were going. Also fuck the Lucian Alliance, what a bunch of fucking dbags.And like people upthread said, they just reached a point where ha'taks were being swatted like flies.
>>96990458The Replicators also can't handle ascended knowledge. Replicator-Carter tried to absorb all of Daniel Jackson's ascended knowledge (he was only one for a year too), but realised that the entire Replicator army couldn't begin to hold it all and then Daniel could use it to literally take control of the Replicators away from her. There's a big divide, and it ultimately spells out that spiritual enlightenment/ideology, strength of will, and biology will ultimately win out over technology.
>>96990481To be fair we're not sure what the rate of ascended knowledge flowing into a mind is, how it's accomplished and how long it takes. My understanding is that a huge part is just being part of everything, becoming a kind of part of the fabric of the universe. But no one can hold all ascended knowledge. Orlin burned himself out holding on to the little he brought back (for some reason he didn't come back as an evolved human), but Adria herself was ascended and could only hold so much as well. There really doesn't seem to be a way to hold it. It's like taking all the knowledge, all the information of the universe, and trying to cram it into an object within said universe. It just can't contain all the knowledge of itself in so confined a space. Like trying to cram the entire ocean in a dixie cup.To be honest it hardly seems all its cracked up to be, especially when you find out they have to feed off of peoples belief if not outright worship of them. Shit's fucked up. And the more Ascended you have the more they have to feed. If even a fraction of all species in the universe achieve a state where they can ascend it's going to get overly crowded, fast. At least they can confine themselves to particular galaxies and use the inhabitants as batteries. Also the Ancients are far more hands off than the Ori.
>>96990481>Daniel could use it to literally take control of the Replicators away from herI thought that was just a battle of wills. Her intimate connection to his mind meant he was inside her brain too and while she was distracted trying to consume his knowledge he managed to temporarily wrest control of the replicator forces. Enough to make them all stop moving, at least. I'll have to rewatch the episodes again because I don't trust my memory.
>>96990553>>96990553The Ori choose to make people do so because if a lower surrenders their will to you there's a direct transfer of power from it and the Ori want to have enough power to rule everything, but i do not know of any line or moment anywhere in the entire series where it is said ALL ascended must feed on belief, and I was watching it again just recently too. And not least because it would be exceptionally fucking difficult to need belief to exist when nobody even knew on a broad scale that Ascension was possible or these beings existed until recently (when Daniel rediscovered it on Kheb) and the Others actively make sure ascended who fuck about find out.If you don't know something exists, you can't believe in or worship it.Orlin came back as a child and not an evolved human because if he came back as an evolved human, that would be considered by the Others to be cheating just like when Merlin did it. Merlin had Morgan set on him to watch and stop him, Orlin needed them to not stop him so he could cure the plague.
>>96990553You have to willingly do it on both ends to get worship buffs.>ORLIN Yes, but the central promise of the religion, everything Origin's followers devote themselves to, is a lie.>DANIEL Are you saying that the Ori don't offer their followers ascension?>ORLIN No. Most certainly not. Then they'd have to share.>LANDRY Share what?>ORLIN The power they sap from those who worship them.>CARTER Wha—how is that possible? I mean, are you-are you saying there's a real, physical transfer of energy to the Ori that occurs simply through a human being's belief in them?>ORLIN "Simply" is not how I would put it. It's quite complicated, but possible. And for it to have a measurable effect, it requires massive numbers of humans relinquishing their will. Nevertheless, it is one of the main reasons the Ancients have so strongly believed in strict non-interference in the lower planes.>DANIEL Because the temptation to manipulate and align lower life forms in some order for your own purposes could result in exactly this type of abusive corruption.>ORLIN The Ori empower themselves by sapping the life force of those willing to surrender themselves to them.Ori seem to have to do something complicated on their end to set up the receptacle for the life force they can then empower themselves with, and the people worshipping them have to willingly do it and surrender their will. And you need a massive number of people doing it for it to have any measurable effect, and measurable effect for an Ascended is probably a fuckload more accurate measurements than anything a non-Ascended has.But long story short it's not an automatic thing you need to do, ascended beings aren't energy vampires. Ancients refuse to do it for moral reasons, so no matter how many people worship an Ascended being, whether Ori or Ancient, an Ancient won't get any worship buff because they refuse to do whatever complicated thing it is on their end they need to do.
The russians not playing a bigger part was such a missed oppurtunity. Imagine If they lied to SGC and sent a small army's worth of resources through the gate at random points then gave it back to them. Someone else's problem that SGC would have to reveal their hand just to fix.
>>96990800For me it's the episodes where they worry about random outsiders knowing about the gate Considering the Russians know and every Airman Chucklefuck inside the mountain knows, why worry
>>96990999well Air Force are basically the glowies of military branches so i'd imagine every guy there keeps it hush hush. Not to mention that meta episode where they basically say directly to the audience that if there ever was aliens they'd use media and an information disinfo campaign to sow doubt and dilute any investigation. Probably the only time you got to see the SGC and US Air Force as they actually are vs the shiny bright propaganda the show potrays itself. Keep in mind the counterintelligence and cyber warfare specialists are all located in the air force.
>>96990999Opsec. Even the enlisted guys inside the mountain will have Top Secret clearance, with a battery of background checks done on them (probably similar to what the Secret Service uses, which is Yankee White) before they get a brief for the codeword clearance or whatever the SGC is hidden under (it's canonically funded from the Pentagon black budget, they say it in the series a few times). But a random civilian knowing means somebody (usually Kinsey) breached that security, and that's a headache for everybody.
>>96990800Pretty sure they made it a running joke screwing over the Russians. Got their own Stargate, got their facility fucked up. Loaned out their DHD, the DHD blew up. Went on a mission with SG1 to save some comrads, only one Russian returned alive. Wanted a spot on SG1, it was given to an alien nerd. Got their own SG team, they were all mutated and died. Got their own super warship, the Ori blew it to hell along with the Russian recurring character.Sorry, Ivan, better luck next series.
>>96990625>>96990711I think it's honestly best not thought about because at some point the whole thing unravels. In particular the Pegasus is smaller and, if I recall correctly, so is the Ori galaxy. But there's plenty of space in space. The Ori could have settled humans in multiple galaxies and increased their power levels instead of having to fight to recruit people in the Milky Way. They could have done this thousands of years ago and been done with the Alteran's. Not to mention unlike the Alterans they have zero qualms about using their vast knowledge in the physical plane. Their ships and supergates were big, but not necessarily beyond what any other advanced space faction could have achieved with enough elbow grease. Instead their ships were matched by tau'ri vessels with Asgard shields and plasma beam. Hell, they could have made their own anti-ascended device instead of having to steal Merlin's. With the Priors as basically their mentally dominated slaves and the self-destruct in place if a Prior goes rogue, they could have constructed it without the Ori fearing it being used against them.They are just enough threat for the show to work, but if you start to tug at the edges it comes apart very fast.
>>96993881The Ori didn't know where the Alterans went, that's made clear early in the arc. The Ancients have been extending a barrier or cloak or whatever over Milky Way, Pegasus, and Ida for however long, which also keeps non ascended safe and the Ori oblivious. It was only when Daniel and Vala, Daniel knowing that the Alterans in his galaxy ascended, went to the Ori galaxy that the cloak came down and the Ori learned the full story.
>>96994102Here's the thing, though, with far more power from more followers spreading to other areas of the galaxy they surely could have had an easier time than just lucking into someone from the Milky Way tipping them off.
>>96994496That and the fact that there were TWO anti-Ori devices just sitting around waiting to be used really sucked the fun out of the series. I get that it fit with their new theme of QUESTS but still. Also the solution to Adria was just the same damn thing they did for Anubis. Lazy fucking deus ex crap, even in a setting with godlike beings.
>>96994526The Ancients were a mistake.>"Oh, what should we do for the ancient race that built the stargates? Oh, I know. Make them space assholes who look identical to humans and who turned themselves into a shadow bureaucracy of space asshole energy beings."And then Halo almost did a smart version of that idea, but 343 fucked it up.
>>96993422another example of the writing shooting itself in the foot. No wonder by Atlantis they were flopping like a dying fish to make a coherent story arc that didn't involve the wraiths.
>>96994843I mean it's consistent with the public perception of the Russian Federation at the time the series was made. The Ruskies were still struggling to come back from the fall, mostly known for anyone opposed to Putin being arrested and their corporations nationalized and that horrific "rescue" of the theater by gassing the join and killing over a hundred of the hostages. Oligarchs and corruption, then and now. Maybe they'd have been better if they kept the stargate, but considering the state of their military in the Ukraine war, just a paper tiger. Great in theory, in practice most of their modernization efforts was money straight into peoples pockets.
>>96995376that's alot of NAFO with not a lot of actual facts. I'm sorry you feel that way.
>>96995398Look, man, we all want to see Kadyrov and his Chechen Boys fucking up Jaffa with weaponized cybertrucks and stealing Ra's alien goat things to be their brides, then shooting up a bunch of Canadian trees and posting the video on youtube, but it's just not in the cards. Sorry, not sorry.
>>96995473and I wanted the explanation for the Jaffa Free Nation becoming hostile to the SGC was because the FSB supplied them with RPG-7V2's, but you do you.
>>96995588So what I'm getting from your image and file name is you want an AU where the reason the Free Jaffa Nation got pissed at the Tau'ri is they only received ~40% of the weapons they ordered from the Russians, the other 60% being WWII surplus and random rusted scrap, while colonels Chernovshev and Chekov laugh as they pocket the difference? Cool beans, my dude. Be sure to share a link to this fanfic when you're done!
>>96980532Powering, or just activating? I don't think the naquadah in their blood would give enough energy, but it could be useful security feature preventing people without the snakes using it.
>>96995678and you must be writing the fanfiction where 52 year old Bogdan the retired uncle and Mikolaiv the 16 year old hoghschooler aren't getting shoved into vans and sent to a ditch in a week while high command after comitting embezzlement of US aid funds for the 50th time are allowing the sixth city to get completely surrounded by orks with just shovels and meat waves and running out of gas and running out of men and running out of ammo and running out of shells, much like the Jaffa whenever the writers wanted to show off how cool the P90 was against them. Really, make sure to post it!
>>96995817Wow, this fanfic of yours is getting super detailed and very, very meta. Much applause, mate. When does your AU split from the regular canon? Since the Russians were already part of the IOA I'm not sure why they'd try to undercut the SGC, especially when they already tried and failed at their own Stargate program. You gonna take it all the way back to when Troi, Daniel, and Carter took the Yellow Submarine to Waterworld? Try to set right what once went wrong?
>>96995708I don't know if they ever specified, but I'd assume powering, if only because surely they could use raw naquadah to trigger the device for a user who was never a host and wouldn't need to have Sam or a Tok'ra use it.
>>96995817Take it from someone who lived right next to Russia way before the current shitshow started - hell, I'm a 15 minute drive from Russia right now - Russians never were as good as you Russiaboos imagined. 20 years ago I spent a lot of time stuck in traffic because comrade truck driver decided vodka was good for hydration and chains on tires in winter were for pussies. Border shops had signs telling people not to squat on toilet bowls like you were herding a bunch of jeets.
>>96995899Could just be activation, which explains why it doesn't effect staff weapons (though I'm not sure if Jaffa have naquadah in their blood from their larva). This would be a limiter on all the tech meant to showcase them as gods.>>96995817>>96995882Be sure to add some Sam x Frasier! Anons here really love it.
>>96877358Aschen were antagonists in one of the novels, IIRC.
it's funny when you realize how many villains or characters the show set up and then just did nothing with.
>>96996176>tell me you dropped out of highschool without telling me.>the united nations gives out benefits like access to super cool alien tech augmented space battleshipsFuck, dude, you might want to check that your own diploma isn't crayon scribbled on cardboard.
>>96996176Mighty Russian Bear can't even handle the much smaller, less populous country next door after four fucking years. By all means let's see them go up against the Jaffa with their temu dirtbike brigades. Four seasons and over a million casualties later and they've achieved 30 square feet in front of the gate. Don't you worry, any moment now they'll break through! Oh then there shall be a reckoning!
>>96996054The Aschen did set up a pretty bitchin' laser defense grid at the stargate terminal in their first appearance so it's not like they are limited solely to bioweapons. Each shot was relatively week but the sheer volume chewed up the main cast. Admittedly plot armor ain't so heavy in these aborted timeline eps.
>>96995473>Ra's alien goat things to be their bridesI don't know what this is but I kinda want one.
>>96996851They're from the movie. They sadly did not have the budget to handle a lot of alien life, mostly because the CGI they had was ass. Looking at you that time SG1 fought a fucking dragon with Ba'al and Adria.
>>96996974Ah yes, the Soviet Empire formed from Hitler's sloppy seconds seized while the rest of the world was elsewhere and utterly failed to hold onto just as they are failing to hold onto it. Ack indead.Not even going to bother touching the rest of your weird rant. You lost that one at the UN ever being able to fund something like offworld military operations. Ha, great joke.
>>96997068Just you wait, one day they'll get it back! Two weeks, tops.>>96996910I wonder how expensive the mushroom people planet was. It's also funny that they did planet of the glowing bug things twice. The second were at least specifically called bugs, while the former may have been weird physics at work (never fully explained). I always wondered, since those bugs were said to give off heavy life readings, could wraith feed off of them? The one in the show seemed to. I wonder if they could have been farmed as an alternative food source.
>>96996974There was never any indication that the X-304 was built domestically by any power other than the US. The US produced them, then they were operated by other countries. Russia lost theirs, China did a lot better.This would actually make the most sense given there are several exotic resources (such as trinium) needed to produce these ships which are cheaper to just ship from the Stargate to Area 51 or wherever the shipyard is located.
I'd add to this otherwise goofy conversation that I always found it amusing that US finally acquired kickass defensive and offensive alien tech and didn't use it to subjugate the entire planet under one rule, despite what the Tollan always thought. Might be one the Asgard finally gave up the big toys.Other realities were perhaps not so lucky.
>>96997145Well they're not in the business of interfering in other people's affairs, as of season 1, so we have an idea of when the timeline diverged.
Why'd they delete Mr Russiabot's posts
>>96990711Why did they do a shota episode?
>>96997652I kind of want to say probably when he veered off-topic and stopped at least pretending he was trying to discuss Stargate, but I regrettably replied to him in kind and my comment is still up. I'm bad about taking the bait and if I could delete my old contributions I would.>>96999017It was worth it to see Sam having to deal with the explanation that he was taller when they first met. Not one of my favorites for a number of reasons. I hated how petty it made the Ancient seem."Sure you can go back, Orlin, and even take some knowledge, but you'll be stuck working with your ex-gf in a child's body as what little your tiny brain can hold slowly turns you into a dribbling crayon eater. Should fit right in with the Earth military! Have fun!"They keep benefiting by bending the rules and making other people pay. If you ask me, Merlin should have built two bombs.
>>96999017>>97000399The real reason was that the actor wasn't available for filming, so they came up with the return as a child thing on the fly.He was supposed to return similarly to his first appearance, help them as an Ancient and explain the history of the whole business with the Ori, and then return to the ascended ranks because it doesn't count if you help as a human. They made up the "keeping Ascended knowledge" to explain "why return as a child".
>>97003261Honestly not sure why they didn't just recast him given he showed up once and that was fairly early in the series. Okay, they did recast but you know what I mean. No reason to make him a kid, just get another dude. Worked for Elizabeth Weir and she was a far more important character (and it was a big upgrade imo).That said, I don't mind that they gave it a cost. It's just silly to have ascended people descend, spew exposition, then re-ascend. It would make it even more frustrating how unhelpful they are. True Orlin was already a bit of a rogue but the others did forgive him, finally.
>>97003376While showing up, helping, then leaving would be a bit off, I think it would have been better in some ways if he'd been able to do that, or rather if they'd been able to write it that way. It'd show that in and out of obeying their rules as best they can, the Others are at least skirting the edges of a very fine line they aren't crossing. Much like Lya the Nox in that Tollan episode, "I only hid the weapon, I did not fire it".
>>96848878>their allies who can upload their minds onto computers are going extinct from genetic degradation >in contact with a guy who can make near perfect android replicas of peoplewhat the fuck was their problem
>>97007563It's kind of weirder than that. They could, in theory, have left a series of super duper crystal hard drives with stored Asgard minds, even a repurposed or knockoff ancient knowledge repository since those fugging things store data for fucking forever apparently. Maybe even one of those simulated realities like those Ancients had on their ship while they were in stasis while they continued to work on the problem. Once solved they could then clone new bodies.Or like upthread. The Asgard could have gone back in time using the Ancient ship, taken pre-degredation genetic material. Beam 'em up, get a blood sample, alter their memories, beam 'em back. Easy peasy.
>>97008908>Beam past Thor onto ship to take his genetic material>Thor, being a creature rivalled only in power by the fabled Michael Shanks, immediately uses exploits in the ship's security to take it over and refuses to believe that he in the future would attempt to kidnap himself in the past>The SG1 gang has to fight hastily assembled security drones, and the ship's own defences, and dislodge pastThor from the central computer access while you get to see how Thor would act if he wasn't his polite self>At the end the Thors have a heart to heart and the confusion is cleared up, futureThor remains in the past while pastThor goes to the future to solve the problem>It's an eye watering farewell to the Thor we know and love>This does not affect the plot meaningfully in any way going forwardWould be a pretty good episode, two-parter even.
>>97009001I'm curious how far back they need to go. The fact that they were trying to use humans to fix the problem, only for us not to be evolved enough. They could go back to way before they were short little big head dudes, presumably.I wonder if a more evolved human might help. They could have given them a sample of evolved human DNA from that frozen Ancient chick or artificially evolved Son of Anubis. Not sure about Merlin when they got him out of stasis. I can't remember what happened to his body.If I recall correctly, in the novels there was an Ascended Asgard who was a more primitive iteration from before they fucked up their ability to ascend and she helped out the Vanir on a cure.
>>97009413It's kind of interesting. Probably not canon, but still interesting.https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Ran
>>97007563His androids were pretty limited by comparison with later. When Anubis was attempting to steal Thor's knowledge, just uploading part of Thor's mind led to him subsuming the main computer and system functions of the Goa'uld ship. The comtraya robots might just not have enough internal memory storage for an Asgard brain.
>>97011024Remember those goofs at the SGC who were going to use Harlon's androids, or at least a deactivated android, by uploading the profiles of every SG team member? Could be pretty awesome. You know, if they ever get the funding to actually start.
>>97009413The novel is probably not canon, the Vanir in Atlantis say outright that they experimented on humans in Pegasus to determine how to stabilise their cloning techniques.
>>97011534I'm pretty sure the extended materials aren't canon, however from what I read they don't have anyone to sort this out and largely the original team working on the shows aren't involved in the newer stuff (Origins). Then there's all the talk about just dumping all the series and rebooting based on the first film only, but even that has been blown up per this thread?It's probably for the best, Origins sucked. Also I guess worth saying since this is for tabletop purposes fuck canon, do what interests y'all.
GOOLD?
>>97015692Kind of makes you wonder why the IOA still needed to cut checks for the SGC given the amount of goold they had access too. Rich mineral wealth on untapped worlds, some of it completely exotic. Patents on recovered alien tech.I get that it's highly problematic for the US military to fund itself, especially in instances where interplanetary relations are involved, I just mean surely congress could set up a situation where they could have Stargate operations fund itself without the government giving up any oversight. Given the potential to exploit unpopulated worlds, some of them fully habitable to human life, and all the other promises of alien tech and so on it should be pretty easy to bankroll everything. Okay, maybe not EASY but certainly doable.
>>97016543The SGC costs 12.6 billion a year, in S6. That includes the cost of building Prometheus. For the sheer wealth it brings in from tech and more, that is a fucking steal. They're probably bringing in ten times as much as they spend, even an order of magnitude more.It's simply too much profit.
>>97018397Might be a bit cheaper due to obtaining resources for themselves, either through off-world mining or theft. They don't have to pay for trinium or naquadah. Also occasionally they find ancient treasures, by which I mean actual gold hordes. Vala is still waiting for her probation to be up so she can get her cut.I don't know about the logistics. Mining off-world surely isn't cheap, but cheaper than if it were bought by Earth suppliers. No middleman, and the materials acquired are virtually priceless since they aren't found anywhere on the planet.Then of course by the series finale it turns out they now have an Asgard machine that can create just about anything they need. So crazy it can even create Replicators.
>>97018418The Asgard machine does draw on the ZPM to do it, so it will deplete over time. What they should be doing is getting the schematics for the neutrino ion generators used in Asgard ships out of said machine, and making their own. Thor's original ship used just four of them.
>>97018622I suppose it depends on how much more energy something requires to make depending on the material. At least we know making ham sandwiches and tretonin it still works for decades. Also whatever else they needed in the series finale.
I don't really know Stargate that much but my wife is a huge Stargate nerd. Is there a solid adventure of say six sessions or so I can run to dip my toe in and get her into RPGs?
>>97021812U 'avin a laff m8?
>excellent Stargate thread>on /tg/That makes /tg/ the fifth board I've seen great Stargate threads onSomething about this show just brings out the comfiest in people
>>97022295I imagine /tv/ might have a Stargate thread after this newshttps://www.gateworld.net/news/2025/11/amazon-greenlights-new-stargate-series/>Veteran Stargate writer and producer Martin Gero created the show and will helm it as executive producer and showrunner. Fellow Stargate alums Brad Wright and Joseph Mallozzi are also on board as producers. The new series will continue the franchise with the same universe, canon, and tone that made Stargate a global hit.So familiar names attached and building on the existing series. Not going to say I'm hype, modern streaming series are a hell all its own, but people were talking about this stuff in the thread I thought I'd share.
>>97023041>Martin is backNew Wormhole X-Treme incoming!?!
>>97023041I've got the video recommended on YT. I want to be optimistic, and having some of the old crew back is encouraging, but it's not 00's anymore.
>>97024142These guys have remained active, so might be worth seeing what they're up to and whether you are happy with the work they've been doing in the modern day.
I wonder if any of the old actors will come back?
>>97030331I am steeling myself with cynicism>RDA will be brought back against his will, Bill Murray style>Christopher Judge will be brought back, but required to shave to do it, after much negotiation where he refuses he'll finally be accepted. He'll play Teal'c in some "Worf is an ambassador now" cameo, take it really seriously and act his heart out, but 60% of the footage gets cut because showrunner holds a grudge>Amanda Tapping will not appear because she refuses to get nude, despite wanting to>Michael Shanks will refuse to participate because Amanda Tapping was not allowed to come, make a million tweets bordering on insane, he might have done coke before posting, eventually he shows up in season 2 as a major character>Peter Williams will say in an interview that he'd have loved to, but no one asked, and he'll act magnanimous about it but be clearly upset by it>All the writers are fired in preproduction>Sam J. Jones (Aris Boch) will inexplicably be brought back and have his storyline completed>Tony Amendola will return as Bra'tac and do a great job, he will somehow not have aged a day since we last saw him
>>97030402Oh, and >Hammond will return as CGI
>>97030402May be if someone introduces Jack and Daniel to Ozempic.
>>97031879Daaamn Ben Browder still lookin' fine. May be an old picture?
>>96995398Aye okay Ivan, don't you have another operation to accidentally post on social media so another couple of hundredski of your comradski can get DRONE'd?
>>97030402>somehow...senator kinsey has returned>and is president now>and it's a hamfisted pastiche of modern politics
why don't they just recast the old characters they recasted them after the movie.
>>97036920Harden your heart, and then if it's good we can be pleasantly surprised.>Carter says the vagina line but actress doesn't think it's cringe>>97037058I'd quite frankly just want them to do a reboot with new characters, same premise. New characters, new Cheyenne, new system lords, new aliens, new fourth wall breaking references, and of course the magic ingredient; New Dean Anderson.By the end of SG-1 it got too "out there" for me. But if it has to stay in the post-falling-ratings timeline, then at the very least it's good to have old writers.
>>97037058They predicted what would happen ages ago.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_C_PefoE4o
>>97037415Stargate comes back just in time for the new push to finally disclose all the aliens crashing in our backyards. Helloooooo glowies!
>>97037477Do you want us to disclose it or not? We'll delay it by another 100 years if you're going to be a bitch about it. This job is hard enough without shit's like you heckling us.
>>97037464I still can't believe they made this than thought the tone of Universe was a good idea.
>>97037538Dude, they ain't never disclosing. The world isn't ready for the hot, torrid truth.
>>97022134why would I be joking
>>97037477Aliens crashing would be too difficult to hide, anon.
>>97039058Tell that to Martin and his peeps.
>>97041326Let's be brutally honest here. Until Martin decided to break containment, no one knew they were even here. It was a rogue alien operative that revealed the alien incursion plot. Even addled by psychoactive drugs, Martin managed to use classified information to strong arm the SGC into taking the threat seriously. In this house, Martin is a 24-12-32-7-11-34 hero, END OF STORY!
>>97041743But he still can't quite make it to syndication. Boo!
>>97042914Goa'goold plot to destroy his rising political career as a galactically recognised war hero. Simple as.
