I can't believe I wrote that because I'm not a fan of retcons, BUT I'm pretty tired of having to suffer the OMNIPRESENT daddy issues of the Primarchs every time I found a new piece of lore. This low-IQ / low-T drama is just found in the worst realms of Wattpad.Can you, GW, make the Traitors actual demigods that want implement their own visions of the perfect Imperium and not kids / women in grown men bodies?Please, I beg you.
PD: Yes, Magnus did many things wrong.
You missed the general.
>Everything is canon, but not all of it is truejust disregard it instead of having a meltdown about a backstory for toys
>>96851107Well, I'm the 40k enjoyer that likes the books, games rather than the tabletop game.I just need to rant little, nothing more.
>>96851152>40k enjoyer that likes the books, games rather than the tabletop gameYou're a secondary and even GW doesn't give a fuck about those. Fuck off back to /v/
Angron didn't give a fuck about not being loved by the Emperor. He hated the Emperor because the Emperor let everyone he ever loved die for no reason and then told him to serve or die as well.
>>96851177>/v/Wouldn't it be /lit/?
>>96851198I think you'd be shot for trying to talk about something of BL slop quality on /lit/ but sure, he can fuck off there as well.
>>96851194>Emperor let die psychos>didn't nothing wrong>Emperor reclaims his son to fight or die>his son kneels>his son still acts like a bitch 10k years laterYeah, Thy Emperor did nothing wrong. Angron was a drama-whore.
>>96851066That stuff is all retcons. The HH BL series is one giant retcon and should just be ignored
>>96851207BL has some good books like 'Fulgrim' and 'Ghosts of Tanith'. Not all is slop.
>>96851207you have no idea how bad genre fiction can get if you think BL's at worst mediocre catalog is anywhere near the bottom lol
>>96851219>That stuff is all retcons. The HH BL series is one giant retconReally? How it was originally?
>>96851226>you have no idea how bad genre fiction can get Can you give me an idea? I'm genuinely curious.
>>96851212What did Angron get out of the Imperium? Nothing. His life was an unending torment thanks to the Butcher's Nails and the only thing he cared about (his friends) are now dead because the Emperor didn't press one more button.The Emperor then goes and forces him to be his soldier at gunpoint and gives him nothing to even relieve his pain. He has nothing to offer Angron and has only made him do things he hates to do, so why should Angron have the slightest bit of loyalty to him?
>>96851229It isn't, a lot of the HH BL books are an expansion on what was stated about the HH in Index Astartes articles and the Visions of Heresy art books (made after and using art from the Horus Heresy Card Game). All the books really did was give the characters dialogue and internal thoughts and shit.
>>96851066GW won't fix anything. Even if they wanted to their "fix" would be as bad or worse than it already is.
>>96851066Kill the whole setting and start something new based on the same principles of shamelessly ripping off whatever's cool, and running it through some insanely talented auteur artists.>>96851238>Go to local library>Ask librarian for the "Mills and Boons" section>Wallow in an ocean of trashy romance fiction you never suspected existedOr just check out the top ten Amazon best sellers.>Morning Glory Milking FarmFemale Coomers need to be spayed.
>>96851241>What did Angron get out of the Imperium?A better Galaxy.>gives him nothing to even relieve his pain. He has nothing to offer Angron and has only made him do things he hates to doZeus-Basileus forbid Angron use his brain (what is left) to call the best neurosurgeon in the entire Imperium to remove the nails instead of implement them in his entire legion, ruining it forever.
>>96851262Cool cool. Thanks, anon.
>>96851066>I'm pretty tired of having to suffer the OMNIPRESENT daddy issues of the Primarchs every time I found a new piece of lore.>Please, I beg you, make my space daddies actual demigods that are even more omnipresent in every piece of lore!
>>96851289Guys are reading isekai about being resurrected with the strongest powers and a harem of non-blood related sisters, women are reading books about being abducted by a sexy billionaire pirate vampire, all's right with the world.
>>96851289Watching the fiction publishing industry degenerate into being porn for women as certainly been a sight to see. A bookstore near me has a "dark romance" section that almost always is half cleared out and has a 50~60 women browsing the books left there.
>>96851262Then why did they need to rewrite Collected Visions in the Visions of Heresy release to be in line with all the BL novels if it already was?
>>96851358>Guys are readinglol
I still don't get the wet leopard thing
>>96851289>Kill the whole setting and start something newHH was Horus' fever dream because a bio-weapon created by a highly advanced xenos civilization.He wakes up, all still the same, the Great Crusade keep is course. Monarchia still exists, Lorgar relaxed in his religiousity, Erebus and Kor Phaeron are true bros. "Chaos? Chaos Gods? Lord Horus, your dreams were truly wild, take your time to recover."The grimdark part are the dark elves, necrons, tyranids and the thing that scare the tyranids. Orks still a cool as always. Elves still annoying af. Tau never emerge because Angron and his bros from Nuceria, now SM, finished them before they evolved.Imagine, a better 40k, a BROlesome Imperium.
>>96851066The only true way to enjoy 40k ever. In all other ways there lies madness.
>>96851373I don't consider light novels to be reading either, but they sure are buying them.
>>96851289>>Wallow in an ocean of trashy romance fiction you never suspected existed >>Morning Glory Milking Farm Understood anon, same shit happens in movies and shows, streamings are full of them, every new release in cinema is some female-centered (aka retarded) drama, romance, thriller, etc. Nothing for male audience.
>>96851385>KEKOP here, thanks for the meme, anon, I need it. But is sad all the wasted potential of some many franchises and cool concepts that got forgotten because current societal whatevers.
>>96851066It doesn't need a retcon, it needs a rollback to before the black library started to spew out fanfiction that ruined the setting.
>>96851457Check >>96851378
What are you talking about? It's not canon to begin with. It's just some silly what-if story they let fester too long because for some reason nerds will actually buy 50+ books of cheap genre fiction in a row.
>>96851498>It's just some silly what-if story they let fester too long because for some reason nerds will actually buy 50+ books of cheap genre fiction in a row.Anon, for everyone else that is exactly the definition of 'canon'.
>>96851262>>96851365>>96851457HH was or was not a retcon? Or 50/50?
>>96851293>A better Galaxy.yeah tell that to Luceria, which was still being ruled by the slavers.
>>96851875It's not a retcon, it is just pure noncanon fanfiction and should never be referenced.
>>96851293>Zeus-Basileus forbid Angron use his brain (what is left) to call the best neurosurgeon in the entire Imperium to remove the nails instead of implement them in his entire legion, ruining it forever.He couldn't do that, retard. The Emperor literally refused to try and remove them.
>>96851913he does take him to terra with his best surgeons but they say no bueno, any removal would equal death and it was implied that he could grow him a new body in a vat but there was simply not enough time (and likely wanted some predictable factors in who will inevitably betray him)
>>96851907Skill issues.
>>96851945>son just have to wait for new painless body >ruin it all because his a bitch >now is condemn to be forever angryAngron has to be one of the most retarded Primarchs. I despise how many phags have sympathy for him.
>>96851198>daring to call BL slop /lit/Anon, they'll skin you alive and quote Kafka at you for that.
>>96851066>Why can't my traitorous brothers just settle for doing their duty?
>>96851066you are retardednot for thinking the primarchs are retardsfor using the phrase "low-T" for the love of humanity remove yourself from the gene pool so that better men dont have to waste better spent time in dealing with you or god forbidyour degenerate mutant spawn
>>96854048stop doing the dooty poopfucker
>>96851262...and retcon a bunch of stuff. I don't know how you can seriously claim they didn't retcon anything when we literally went from >Ferrus and Vulkan both disappeared in the maelstrom of battle at the Dropsight Massacre and their sons believe they will one day returnto>Ferrus absolutely 100% no takie-backsies DIED via DECAPITATION by Fulgrim in full view of countless warriors from both sides and everyone in the IH knows he's dead and now think he's a retard, and Vulkan is an immortal who CANNOT die even if you drop him into a planetary atmosphere from orbit in the nuddy and eventually everyone knows that tooAnd that's just one of a hundred changes they made.
>>96851909I disagree. In my headcanon the BL novels exist in-setting as trashy penny dreadful stories on a shitty hive world. Eventually the Inquisition finds out about them and burns everyone involved alive.
>>96851177Wrong. GW is currently pivoting hard towards video games, animation, and literally anything other than the tabletop game because 3D printing is about to kill their entire business model.
>>96851066>anon discovers 40k lore is shitIt can't be salvaged fella, it's an extremely dumb setting. It was never intended to be anything more than a placeholder to make nerds spend $50+ dollars on 0.002ยข worth of plastic.
>>96851066>doesn't like retcons >likes 40kAnon Warhammer Stratigraphy is retcons all the way down of which only the latest edition is king until it too gets replaced with secondary and tertiary material being just that until they appear/are referenced in the primary game.
>>96851226If you compare marvel slop to amateur porn that has been recorded with a shaky smart phone camera it's still not peak cinema.
>>96851220Fulgrim was not good
>>96855558Resin models suck. Too brittle, print lines, etc. The average person spergs over mold lines, you think that print lines won't have the same effect, but worse because they can't be smoothed?
>>96855963>3d prints>mold likes Are you tarded?
>>96856193ESL? I said that the print lines that come with 3d printing are even worse than mold lines.
>>96851913He did not "refuse" without reason. He examined him, in depth, had no idea what the tech was and could only see the effects, and concluded that he could not extract them without killing the patient.
>>96851066 i didn't want to respond but after reading the absolute retardation from some people online. how can you call people who do not like femstodes a chud? they are new lore, of course i don't like them all the recent lore changes over 10th edition into the end of 9th have been lazy AF. not to mention the terminus decree or changing the emeperors my space marine speech. i missed it when the hobby wasn;t controlled by low iq ape normies who think nightlords are edgy and slaneesh was gender neutral flag slop.
>>96851241Angron is a huge bitch. Dropsite Massacre has him complain that there are never any choices, then Horus tells him that choices are something you TAKE before beating his ass.
>>96855963>print linesBig problem from five years ago. AI is also doomed because it can't do hands.
>>96851545It's not canon just because it exists, it's canon if it's actually a serious addition to the setting. They churn out a billion shitty BL books a year. It's just fluff.
>>96851066GW just needs to officially disown BL as untrue, and that settles most of the problems.But since GW is already basing most of their game on BL, that isn't happening.
>>96851066I believe Horus Heresy was the opportunity to actually rectify and change some things, but instead entirety of 30k feels beholden to some throwaway lines. Shame.
>>96851359It would be hypocritical of me to complain about women getting off to self-insert monsterfucker literature, but distorting the legitimate fiction publishing industry around their porn in the process instead of keeping it to dodgy internet fiction sites like the rest of us is absolute fucking bullshit of the highest order.
The biggest problem I have is that the Black Library books as a whole think that parent-child relationships are about "well you donated genetic material this one time" rather than, you know, parenting. So you have a constant spew of>I looked up to my gene sire for no reason other than that I was brainwashed to do so>but then it turned out my gene sire didn't love all 10000 of us equally because there's 10000 of us! that's so unfair! he's a bad gene sire!It's not just cheap drama, it makes no sense.
>>96851194I do like the moments of clarity Angron has during Betrayer where he talks about the Emperor being a slaver and a tyrant. Implying his Spartacus mentality would have made him rebel faster without the nails. Also in the Kharn novel where Dreagher (One of the high ranking pre-Angron War Hounds Captains) points out the fall of the 12th is like 75% the emperor's fault because he put a brain damaged maniac in charge of a space marine legion. Saying he provided them with a defective lemon of a primarch and damned them all.
>>96851194>mfw Emperor should've just teleported down for a back-to-back with Angron against the slavers and he would've had his loyalty for LYFE
>>96851194It's weird how the Emperor acts wildly out of character for no reason just to set up certain Primarchs for Loyalty/Betrayal.>Angron>"Your gladiator army? Worthless to my plans of galactic conquest, here let me traumatize you for life">Lion>"Your army of knights? Perfect for my main strike team! Wow I'm so glad I didn't teleport you away from some important battle or something."
>>96857153because what >>96856757 said is correct. rather than coming up with really good reasons why certain events/characters turned out the way they did, events in 30k had their arm tied behind the back by everything in 40k informing them. not to mention it's been 10 000 fucking years. maybe not everything happened as people remembered it?
>>96855558GW does not produce video games at all and consequently cannot "pivot" to that. Also they describe everything other than models, print materials and hobby products as "non-core" parts of their business in their investor reports. Video games related revenue is "licenses and royalties" and on a good year it constitutes about 20% of their revenue, and because they don't actually make the things that generate that revenue they have no control of it. The overwhelming majority of their business is trade (sales of physical products to retailers) followed by direct sales to customers. Everything else is a sideshow.
>>96857345GW is very heavily involved with vetting the games using their licenses, though. Supposedly way more than your usual license owners. I know Warhammer Online devs basically had to bend over to some sort of compromise so they could implement a healer class for one of the factions.
