Warhammer 40k Winners:>Orks, even when they lose, they leave behind Ork spores and feral Orks to keep on fighting, and they're taking more worlds than they're losing and getting bigger and tougher>Tyranids are gaining more biomass every day, and evolving to face the new threats while eating world after world>Tau are growing in territory, numbers, industry, and technology every day, and although small for now there's no indication their rapid growth will continue to stop anytime soon>Necrons are awakening rapidly, are not particularly threatened by the Tyranids, have immense superweapons at their command, and functionally infinite numbers, with them able to just put in AI into robot bodies in the unlikely event they ever actually need to produce more Necrons from scratchWarhammer 40k Losers:>The Eldar are slowly fading away, and there's basically nothing they can do to halt their decline, save for trying to spawn a death goddess that won't even save their race, just let them not go to Vore-Hell when they die>The Imperium is a rotten structure with no ability to fix itself, being chipped away planet by planet, kept alive only through sheer inertia of its immense mass >Chaos is a self-destructive force that literally seeks to kill off the very beings that sustain it, and would, given their way, inevitably collapse into oblivion should they ever actually win, with no cohesive plan whatsoever beyond the whims of its individuals and no real way to deal with the Necrons or Tyranids or Orks
>>96855044How come the guys who make these threads are always lorelets? The codexes are not hard to get your hands on.Necrons are fucked. They are a dying race. Their own codex says that their chances of conquering the galaxy are ZERO. They lose N ecrons through malfunction, violence, and madness. Each loss is irreplaceable. They are not unlimited. The Cenoptek AI is not a replacement for Necrons since they are more prone to corruption and subversion than the Necrons themselves.It's been stated over and over and over that Chaos is not limited to the 40K galaxy/universe. It's connected to countless realities. The destruction of the 40K universe means nothing to them in terms of sustainability. Cohesive plan? What do you call the Black Crusades/Crimson Path, you idiot? > no real way to deal with the Necrons or Tyranids or OrksThat's not true at all. Were you living in a rock in the past 5 years.You need to leave.
>>96855092>The Cenoptek AI is not a replacement for Necrons since they are more prone to corruption and subversion than the Necrons themselves.At most that's just an argument that The Severed Empire, which is also just Necrons, will win. Either way they still win.>That's not true at all.We've seen no counter to the Shadow in the Warp, nor the Necron's ability to snuff out the presence of the Warp, nor the Ork's Warp Gods and seeming near immunity to Chaos corruption.
>>96855044>no indication their rapid growth will continue to stopWhat the fuck am I reading.jpg
>>96855131Like the Orks, even when they lose, they still end up winning. In the Orks case, it's because they leave behind spores and feral orks, and can come back for another go. In the Tau's case, it's because even their defeats still see them taking more worlds than they lost, and they come up with new tech to handle the problems that happened to cause the loss.
>>96855120No. The Severed Tomb Worlds, for the most part, are damaged AI that use predictable attack protocols. They are a minor subfaction of the Necrons that are irrelevant to their meta-story.>We've seen no counter to the Shadow in the WarpThe Shadow in the Warp only makes it harder for daemons to manifest. It does not stop them. In most cases, Hive Fleets that ventured near Warp Rifts or storms get boarded by daemons and torn apart. > nor the Necron's ability to snuff out the presence of the Warp,This is why I said you are a lorelet dipshit who has been living under a rock for 5 years. Chaos just recently invaded the Pariah Nexus and is turning the Pylons against the Necrons by switching them to Warp amplifiers. >nor the Ork's Warp Gods and seeming near immunity to Chaos corruption.One, Orks are not immune to corruption or death by Chaos swords and guns.Two, the Ork Gods haven't done anything relevant for the entire history of modern 40K.
>>96855131Trolling. That wasn't obvious?
>>96855174>Two, the Ork Gods haven't done anything relevant for the entire history of modern 40K.They krumped Khorne
>>96855231Never happened
>>96855271It did. And either way, Chaos has no real plan for how to handle da orks. What, ya gonna fight 'em? They get stronger from that shit.
>>96855291Nope. It never happened. That's your fanfiction.Reality is about to collapse and drown the galaxy in the Warp.Orks are not even a consideration.
>>96855303>Reality is about to collapse and drown the galaxy in the Warp.The galaxy is not 'reality'. There are other galaxies where the Warp has no power as the Tyranids prove.
>>96855314You keep throwing fanfiction at me.The Tyranid's Hivemind is an expression of the Warp.The 40K galaxy is disproportionately important in its universe.The Great Rift shook the entire 40K universe.And had the Dark King been born, the entire universe would have been blown up.
>>96855422>The Tyranid's Hivemind is an expression of the WarpSo Chaos obviously can't be everywhere then since it wasn't fucking with the hivemind outside of the galaxy
>>96855432Actually, the Hivemind temporarily died when the Great Rift was created since the Warp shockwave traveled across the universe and burned out the Hivemind.
>>96855451Then it reformed. Which would suggest that the hivemind, like chaos, is an undying concept.
>>96855461Not really. Kill the Tyranids then the Hivemind ceases.The Chaos Gods are omnipresent, while the Hivemind is limited to wherever the Tyranids are.
>>96855507>The Chaos Gods are omnipresentAnd yet Slaanesh had to be bornThe Tau goddess has yet to be bornSo does the Dark KingThey can be omnipresent if half the pantheon didn't exist at one time and only existed because of this universe specifically.
>>96855562You being as lorelet is your issue. Last month's WD has GW developers talking about how the Chaos Gods transcend time and have always existed in the Warp. How Slaanesh predates the fall is given as an example.
>>96855587By that same logic the Tauva and Dark King already exist too
>>96855596In the case of T'au'Va, she does. The fact that she is acting across the timeline means that at some point in the future, she was born. She is just reaching backwards in time.
People talk about warhammer like it has actual rules and GW wouldn't just kill off any given faction with the stupidest asspull if they felt like they had to. They literally did it already.You're trying to apply rules and logic to a setting one bad financial quarter away from "oh yeah nurgle made a disease and it infected the hive mind and they all died. Or the reverse, whatever".
>>96855044The Eldar have been outright OP in several editions though?
>>96855174>a lorelet dipshit who has been living under a rock for 5 yearsImplying any lore past 4th edition is worth a speck of real attention or acknowledgement
>>96855092>It's been stated over and over and over that Chaos is not limited to the 40K galaxy/universe.And it's always been chaoscuck cope.Chaos has been explicitly stated to be born from conscious thoughts of beings of THIS galaxy and emanations of violence from the war in heaven.There are no other realities, and even alien monsters from beyond the galactic rim are totally unfamiliar with Chaos.>Cohesive plan? What do you call the Black Crusades/Crimson PathA shitty retcon.
>>96855044>OrksThat's until one major player gets cohesive enough to wipe out the Orks yet another time.They haven't been relevant since war in heaven.I mean sure, Orks are living the life, but none of the current ones are going to survive unto the next millenium.>TyranidsTyranids are beaten at every front they've appeared on so far. And that means that they are consistently losing their biomass and the local galaxy gains it.>TauExist solely on plot armor support.>Necrons are awakeningSure, they're a major problem. But they're also equally disorganised and practically few in number for any given battle.>The EldarAt the same time, there are always enough Eldar to throw at a problem. There are more Eldar in the galaxy than Tau. Lol. Lmao.>The ImperiumIs too big to fail, and even discounting nulore, it was always a matter of time before someone unites back.>ChaosSentient life is never going anywhere until infinity later, and by then, Chaos Gods themselves might be dead before that happens.
>>96855092Necrons are stated to have a population as large as the Imperium once fully awoken. Considering their average citizen is a Necron Warrior, the Imperium is on a clear timer. The Silent King isn't even concerned about the Imperium, he knows that when all the necrons are back the imperium is done. He is just worried the Tyranids will fuck up his galaxy before they can arrive in force
