Nagash Day is approaching Edition>Previously in the Mortal Realms:>>96848675 >Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:https://aosg.github.io/https://sigdex.io/>Thread order:Post undead
New in AoS. Are Flesh-Eater Courts's ghouls undead (reanimated corpses) or cursed living people?
>>96856640Mordants are alive, Abhorants are vampires (dead)
>>96856640Mostly living beings. Some hero's are vampires of sorts so I guess you can consider them undead.
>>96856640Living people filled with death magic.
>>96856610>tq>>96856640The rank and file are normal people afflicted by a curse of delusion. The top brass are a strain of vampire so undead (but still very much under the curse of delusion)
>>96856610Death droolsDestruction ROOLZ
>>96856610>tq>>96856731Both of those are cool, but we all agree that chaos is the one for fools
>>96856731Remind me, how did the destruction edition go again?
Trolls can digest everything. Does it mean they don't have assholes?
>>96856767You could work writing for gw with that kind of biology and genital dodging
>>96856767Do ogres eat everything too??
>>96856610>TQmy only one
>>96856742So presumably Order makes the tools?
>>96856792I'd imagine there are some giant forges ran by skeletons. Maybe that's what the mortuary factory was
>>96856767Just because they can digest anything doesn't mean they can digest any amount of it quickly
>>96856775>genital dodgingIf greenskinz propagate via spores then they don't need frail meaty parts dangling between legs, silly.>>96856785Anon, there's a difference between eating everything and digesting everything. I'm certain Warhammer Fantasy had Gnoblars dung tasters.
>>96856854Troggs aren't greenskins and have sexual dimorphism
>>96856802Deepest loreThey really should bring back some of that 1st edition silly even as a cute little reference. Shame the HoH tome has nothing on the legion of azgorh or sharter. Although I did see rhe plague engine thingies mention somewhere, maybe in the skaven tome? That was neat at least.
>>96856802>>96856901Mortuary factor was explained years ago. It makes coffins, urns and other burial equipment
Found the old dude on the left (not like the pic exactly, he’s disassembled ) and I’m probably gonna buy him. Should I just stick him on a lord of changes base? Don’t think he really fits as a magister or a cursling, so something scenic is all I can think of.
>>96856854Gotta poop and piss somehow.
>>96857107You can just sweat it out
>>96856854>then they don't need frail meaty parts dangling between legsyes, they need them, how can I have my slapstick comedy where greenies kick each other in the nuts, or where they get their bits bit by a squig? and how can I have them pissing on stuff as an insult?
>>96857119You didn't watch scary movie 3?
>>96856756> 1st edition (prior to GHB) Chaos editionTrash> 2nd edition, DEATH editionKino, the games high water mark> 3rd edition, KrAgNoS and DestructionTrash> 4th edition, Reddit Rats, ChaosTrash5th better be death I don't think AoS will survive three bad editions with TOW waiting to claim the fantasy throne
>>96857123it's not the same
Now that the dust has settled, why did the Helsmiths of Hashut flop?
>>96856640They're "infected"
>>96857192AoS dorfs are already edgier than chorfs that the lost a lot of their appeal
>>96857192Looks like Warcraftslop, doesnt have the charm of the old models or what you see in TWW3
>>96857207wonder how they're gonna play the dichotomy between the delusion and nurgles warped views off.
In desperation that the 2nd bait failed he resorted to samefagging.Sad
>>96857243leave him be. I feel bad for Canadians as it is already.
>>96856767They have buttchecks so they probably have ass holes
I hope whatever terrain is included in the next iteration of Warcry, it absolutely fucking isn’t more trees. I need shit that’s actually transportable. Take me to somewhere in shyish or Chamon instead.
>>96857264Terrain would be vertical no metter the realm
>>96857270they should do something like the lumineth temple, just floaty platforms supported by waterfallsmaybe idoneth themed
>>96857276>maybe idoneth themed
>>96857280ok, idoneth and kharadron thenthe site of an old war between the two? derelict ships, broken aethersea, leftover mines and sea critters lurking in the corals ready to extend a claw?
>>96857283It's actually crazy that we have a faction of flying fish and faction of flying sea men and they never interact
>>96857224Dawner 1 had Nurgle vs FEC bit
>>96857292To be fair the flying fish usually chill under the sea
>>96857264You are never leaving the Gnarlwood. Cope.
>>96857283Whelmwake of the aether sea would be a really cool theme. A forest overtaken by phantom shoals and haunting lure lights of abyssal creatures in the shadows of the dark wood.
>>96857292I wonder if those air boats are even actually seaworthy.
Anyone has Tzeentch battletome to share?
>>96857316it would be silly for them to not be
>>96857283Or resurrect some of the old Barak Varr ideas, even back to Man O War, and have some Kharadron UNDERlords.>Hah, calls themselves the deep kin? We're the Deep Kings, and they'd better not forget it.
>>96857212How do TWW Chorfs differ? Hexagon scale mail, chunky unrealistic pauldrons, tall helms, etc are shared
>>96857394they are actually pretty similiar to tww now that I think about it. I guess the beards arent as pompous. Aside from that....the trim?
>>96857324https://files.catbox.moe/gta7pz.pdf
>>96857394the hat designs are vastly different and so are the iconography and style of weapons and artillerythey're just not the same, man
>>96857394Nigga you're the kind of person that argues with Grok in comments, learn when talking to someone is a waste of time
>>96857422>THEY'RE JUST NOT THE SAME MAN THEY JUST AREN'T!yeah, okay retard imagine being this buttmad about an opinion you can't even articulate
stop responding to bait. you're half the reason these threads are going to shit.
>>96857473go back
What will Malekiths elves look like, and will the DoK be rolled into the army like it seems the dwarves will gather?
>>96857450You're projecting the butthurt all on your own, I'm just telling you where to look to find the differences.Old chorfs were chaos dwarfs, full of chaos iconography and skulls, new chuardin are dark dwarfs, attempting a fully independent aesthetic from chaos, just like dark elves were given an aesthetic that made them eventually separate from chaos altogether, despite those being their roots once.This attempt to give them more uniquely and hopefully iconic stuff went on to the weapons and hats, they chose to hammer down the iconography of the bull, eventually simplifying it into a top-heavy hexagonal shape with vaguely cog-like indentations which you can find in a lot of places of their designs, the hats have been altered from the old design to have this more pointy shape, on top of being given the metal "plastron" which again reinforces that attempt at an iconic shape, on top of the gem also in the same shape, and the blades too try to have a semblance of parallel with that by having the truncated and flaring top, and the guns try to reduce all circular shapes to more angular ones.They're branded so heavily, and so uniformly, that they're just not the same anymore, you can't place them alongside the old models convincingly, they're a purposeful separation from what came before.
wtf is going on with her face? thought it was scar tissue at first but there's nothing in the art implying she has a severely disfigured face. is it just a case of shitty mold quality?
>>96857586I think she's meant to look like she's got a broken and bent nose
>>96857586Whats going on with it? Besides pixellation. Just looks like a standard GW paintjob to me
>>96857586Broken nose.Also I’m pretty sure she’s a Brianne of Tarth reference, so she’s intentionally ugly. Let’s see how the jade wizard holds up though.
>>96857394this concept art looks infinitely more like warcraft than the HoH does
>>96857586>GW Can't into Female faces>More news at 11
>over half of the box is AoS unitsAre 40keks ok? Why even split Chaos if you don't have Chaos models in your game?
>>96857698Go back
>>96857698I really wish 40Ks chaos legions weren’t adopted by the shitty fucking founding chapters or whatever they’re called. I’d be into tzeentch marines but I absolutely loathe rubrics and the entire concept of Magnus.
>>96857698You're meant to convert those rubrics into chaos warriors
>>96857698fuck off back to your containment thread posthaste
>>96857719TS are the worst example of this. The Rubric Retcon means they can do nothing remotely interesting with their Space Marines
>on my way to enhance your base, Sigmarite
Blood Knights really need fur cloaks Also to abandon the ruined weapon gimmick as though they're lowly skeletons. I know it's Shyish magic entrophy but c'mon
>>96857952You sure you don't want to play chaos warriors instead?
>>96857574>chaos iconographyNo. >skulls Yes.
>>96857971>>chaos iconography>No.what do you think all the arrows were for?
>>96857988
>>96857988>>96857998>arrows are a symbol of chaos based retard
>>96858019Yes, anon, they are, did you just realise the chaos star is made of arrows? and that the warriors are covered in arrows?
>>96857655>Brianne of Tarth referenceAnon... You're about one edition off from that.
>>96857988I just assumed they just really really liked compasses :D
>>96857988>retards will pretend this looks good to be contrarianit's all so tiresome
>>96858071>thiswhat is "this"? concept? execution? proportions? details?
>>96858080all of the above
>>96858083Then, no, it would be contrarianism to argue there was nothing to favour in any of the above.
>>96858091>n-no uyawn
>>96858129>>n-no uI didn't say that
>>96858133You literally didKeep thinking you're not a contrarian hipster for liking an army nobody but a few Russians gave a fuck about until TWW3 added them and people pretended they were always huge oldguard chorf fans
>>96857952Both are fixed with sculpting really. >>96858050I mean her name is kinda tongue in cheek about it.
>>96857192Ignore the troll. He spam this almost every thread with the same mesagge, image and all.Get new material and try harder next time.
>>96858173Why are you so upset
Can a kindly leaker anon tell me what OBR are getting and when?Also what are their new rules.
>>96858209The day of the rake can not come soon enough
>>96858173Anon, please go jack off. I assure you, you will be of clearer mind and less agitated at stupid shit.
>>96858239Oh my god are we still talking about these ecelebs, you fools just need to move on already. No one cares about your precious leakers that you all fawn over like they're the most important people ever. Talk about anything else.
>>96858246Nobody cares about the leakers rather than the leaks. Are you the one who is latching on them? Are you perhaps becoming romantically interested for these individuals?
Speaking of rumours, the whq dude just posted some barely comprehensible esl shit about aos pulling some resources from 40kek and tow getting more cathay stuff probably in the next preview. More cathay sure, they're pretty anemic atm, but pulling resources from 40k I find a little strange. They're the cash cow after all, then again I guess it's less resource-intensive. You can probably knock at an entire marine combat patrol worth of new models in an afternoon, it's just the same body copy-pastes 20 times.>>96858246Don't forgot to scream about the weather reporter anon!
>>96858313Idk how much I trust boole now. He leaked some skaventide stuff back in the day, then randomly came back like 1.5 years later to leak some ogre and warhammer quest stuff, which seems be corroborated by whitefang and gw to an extent. But since then it seems he's gotten a taste for the attention on tga and just rambles on and on. Could be that he's still righr since he's obviously got some connections, but these recent posts seem far less solid than the older ones. Guess we'll see soon enough.
>>96858313Maybe he means his favorite old world faction is merging with Cathay? So rather than bringing back ogre kingdoms, they’re souping Cathay and ogres internally to create a new identity?
>>96858313STOP TALKING ABOUT THESE LEAKERS NO ONE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE NEW SHIT JUST FUCK OFF ALREADY
>>96858353Fuck off valrak.
ITT: Rumorposting General
>leakers>leaks>whitefang>booleeceleb slop, garbage, shit fuck, if GW wanted you to know things they'd tell you. Getting spoiled by some random cunts who pretend to be all high and mighty and popular isn't the way. no one cares no one likes this just fuck off with this rumorslop
>>96858313What 40k stuff would have been cancelled? Pretty sure everything expected or rumored appeared over the last few months and then some.
>>96856775>genital dodgingUnless youre an animal, they you have detailed junk.
How about we all post some recently finished models instead. I’ll start.
>>96858313>GW likes AoS the most and cucks 40k with it>ToW is Wuhan Bat Soup: the game
>>96858313>AoS taking priority over more Marine releases Bullshit
>>96858173Keep crying, contrarian
>>96858374Maybe the fabled Dark Eldar refresh As if the least popular 40k faction needed AoS for GW to decide to reallocate resources elsewhere lmao
>>96858353>>96858369
>>96858313It would not surprise me at all if AoS showed more growth and some accountant decided that means it gets more new manufacturing allocation.
SBGL should get some ghosts
>oh-my-science posters never stopleaks are pro-consumer
>>96858432Cado is right there. Also yes some better collation rules or army of renowns would be neat. Night haunt themselves should get some angels.
>>96858313AoS had UW, Cursed City, Warcry, and regular releasees at one point so I can understand it but it probably refers to the recent push to replace resin and WHF kits
>>96858440Can't blame me for memory holing that
>>96858445>regular releaseesthird edition was pretty fucking anemic with its releases. the versus boxes were proof of that.
>>96857394The main way that Infernal Guard differ from Infernal Cohort (beyond the headgear, weapons, and beard length) are the IG having rounded shoulder pad trim with chaos spikes/arrows, whereas the IC have angular shoulder pads with a trim pattern reminiscent of cog teeth or crenellations. The command models for IG also had additional hip plate armor, whereas on IC the bodies are the same (besides the musician, obviously). IC have a bit of additional trim design on their backs, while IG just had a bare plate.I am a little surprised by how similar they actually are, but I suppose that the head, shoulders, and weapons being different is striking enough to make the entire design come across as different at a glance.
>>96858434>Sir! Sir! Don't talk about anything that Games Workshop™ hasn't officialy shown off yet! Sir! No sir that's not allowed! No no they're e-celebs sir you can't listen to what they have to say sir! Sir! SIR!
>>96858458Oh, the sashes that IC have are kind of significant as well.
>>96858404I'm trying to make some quick seasons-themed tree-revenants with my leftover models. The left one is boring but I like the summer/fire one. I'm working on a winter now
these leakers don't know shit my guy told me AoS is getting scrapped this year after HoH flopped and I trust him
>>96858494Forgot the photo
>>96858495Was that before or after you were being sodomized? Maybe he was even telling you that the moment you were in the middle of the release?
>>96858504Remember to crop your picture to avoid Australia and sideways bullshit
>>96858313Suuuure, 40K players truly are starving rn
>>96858517>ESL immediately jumps into gay rapeYou just can't help yourselves can you
>>96858504Cool Darth Maul
>>96858351Yeah not a lot of strong possibilities for TOW soup, unless he means Norsca staying with WoC instead of breaking out as a separate army. Or DoW folding into Empire or whatever. As for pulling resources from 40K...unlikely for obvious reasons, but maybe AoS just really needed to get some shit out in the short term to set up their armies so they managed to get a green light. It's not like anything could be considered an essential, high priority release for 40K at this point, it's all just milking the cow that's not going anywhere.
>>96858532Don't worry, GW will find it in their hearts to give another equal attention cake to Marines so they don't get sad
>>96858534uh oh shitposter melty
>>96858534Oh so it was a rape fantasy you had, you’re a bit kinky.
>>96858532>half of the chaos releases are just edgy marines Marine paypiggies really subsidize this entire hobby lel, cheers lads
These leakers are just guessing and you've been entirely fooled by a streak of good luck
>>96858404I'm just working through some old stuff here and there. This is a fun box to paint up, hope the new Quest characters are in the same vein.
>>96858521Thanks, I will>>96858536I don't usually do wounds and scabs on a model since I paint mostly Orruks and Grots but this is something I will be experimenting with in the future
>>96858612That specific angle makes it look like he’s doing the count Dooku face of superiority.
>>96858600/40kg/ will bite your head off if you express a desire for 40k chaos to get some non-marine support and releases, even to the point of coming off as contradictory>admech look like shit>yeah I agree I hope they do darkmech and it looks better>lol why do you want that; just glue spikes to admech stupid
If I worked for GWS I would so the following Underworld warbands:-3 big guys morteks (not as big as Kainan but close, all chads)-1 zombie big guy and 3 zombie-wolfs -1 big Oruk warrior (the anorexic type one) as the leader and 1 Oruk wizard potion brewer 2-3 grots with squigs-2 Ogors 1 slave grot-1 Skaven Shaman 1 ogorSkaven 2 skavensI would also make a Golden Axe band with one mounted Dwarf.Underworld needs more Death and Destruction bands
>>96858600The EC one is very funny. 7 models kits and 3 vehicle datasheets from CSM and GW declared that they were totally fine as a faction.
>>96858623Heh, funny, I was wondering why he looked familiar...
>>96858631>I'd like traitor guard >Uh just play imperial guard with spikes or cultists in CSM are you stupid>Also daemons shouldn't be able to be taken outside of Chaos MarinesIt's gotta be some kinda stockholm syndrome
>>96858644Don't worry. Soon they'll lose demons and it will be 100% marines
>>96858644GW achieved every mini company’s dream with 40K. A completely captive audience that kicks and screams anytime someone wants something that isn’t part of their most popular and best selling model line.
>>96858675It really is impressive that they're so well trained that they bought an army they already owned a second time because of model updates with only a few performative complaints
>>96858635Wrong >CoS >Gitmob >Fyreslayers >Tzeentch >Skaven, moulder
>>96858675Considering plastic injection moulded models have historically been bargain bin products it's incredible GW have cultivated a value based entirely on their relationship to a game system WW2 models just get pumped out for £10 or something, same cost to produce as anything GW makes it not more given economies of scale
>>96858729>Brand and IP add value to a cheap productAre you familiar with a little known plastic product called Lego?
>>96858729That’s what they get for making mass produced plastic injected models to really be a thing
>>96858404So is the Hey woah discord just dead?I left a while ago, seems like he just wants to be a magic dude now (good luck)
>>96858740Anon toy soldiers predate warhammer
>>96858246Bro I just want to know what OBR are getting.I don't care who tells me
>>96858664>>96858644I heard that rumor but what even is a point of purging every demon unit?
>>96858644Brother you just got told you could easily hobby up your own cooler traitor guard than GW could ever make and you spent the rest of a thread melting down over it
>>96858745Yes, and wargamers hated them. GW’s improvements to the process got plastics seen as a thing for gaming and not something you toss your 5 year old to play with. I can give due where it’s deserved even if I’m not a huge fan of the company
>>96858758When TOW released someone without any credibility said BoC left AoS because the product lines couldn't cross then someone else without any credibility said "that must mean daemons are leaving 40k or AoS then" and someone else without any credibility replied "definitely"
>>96858353Fuck off, you are genuinely more annoying than the leakfags. At least they're posting made up bullshit, you're just söijacking on a loop you autistic sperg.
>>96858758Everything has to be split between the “Mainline” and “Specialist” games teams. Daemons can be used in all games so they’ve gotta go or be pushed firmly into one game.
No legitimate rumourmonger has said anything about daemons
>>96858743Nah. It’s just not as hard AoS focused. Still plenty of people hobbying and playing games on their own. I don’t blame him for falling out of love with AoS for now, the core rules are solid but actual army rules are largely boring and current balance philosophy is lazy and minimal effort. Hopefully AoS takes an upswing sometime soon.
>>96858805He's the one who consistently cried that artefact lists should be shorter and now he's crying they're shorter
>>96858761Not him but>shave off the eagle from cadians >extensive helmet alterations one by one >spikes are relatively easy to add, but trim is another issue to sculpt for a theoretical horde army >weapons having the same issue as aboveAnd the biggest issue with them, for me, and what made me give up on 40k entirely, was no rules to flavor them up and instead run them as tokens in csm or even worse, just run them as imperial guard. Unless GW gives me at least a armybook that matches what lost and the damned had back in 5th edition I dont want to even think about 40k again.
>>96858712Don't forget starting second, third or even fourth armies because James also sells more of the same but with thing! Like spikes, robes, or ugly face masks.
>>96858761That's true but also he shouldn't have to. It's ridiculous that they shat out armies for specific chaos marine legions before doing anything for LatD or Darkmech. You could just as easily make the "just convert bro" argument for Emperor's Children or World Eaters before they got army books.
>>96858635-koatl's claw more feral and animalistic saurus warriors/maybe a few skinks to contrast with more magitek mainline release-spiderfang 2 or 3 grots, 2 small spiders, a shaman riding a medium sized spider-root kings fyrd-nulahmian vampire with cool snake thrall zombies-sons of behemat "warband" that's just a a left and right foot imprint and a hand holding a mace
>>96858859Every EC player I know (me included) is seething over the new book completely fucking their armies over
>>96858885>every EC player I knowso, none?
>>96858885you mean your CSM army?
>>96858885What happened
>>96858910they got an even worse release than the world eaters and thousand sons
>>96858885Yeah, I should have mentioned the army releases being poisoned chalices.>>96858910EC are just missing a lot of units that are usually shared between CSM factions with little justification. Predator? Nope. Defiler? Nope. Forgefiend? Nope. Maulerfiend? Yes... (EC are the only army that can take one fiend but not the other). Noise marines were also changed from a core troop unit to a heavy weapons squad.
>>96858910They lost kits more than they gained any
Wondering if I should go with FEC or NHBoth embody horror in such a interesting way it's hard to pick
>>96858910We got basically nothing from CSM as carry over except the Heldrake, the Land Raider, and the Maulerfiend (not even the Forgefiend which shares the same box). No dreads, Predators, or access to the Heresy Legends stuff
>>96858937>than gainedImpossible, they weren't an army before you retard
>>96858995They were a subfaction in CSM
>>9685875840k has no interests in ill-fitting dudes with fantasy weapons
>>96858995If Troggs became their own independent book would they have lost access to units they had before in Gitz?
>>96858404The Crew's all here
Was the Spitewood rules booklet scanned?
>>96858939Pick FEC its cooler army
>>96858939Personally, I think the concept of the army of renown where it’s just all cav and black coach’s are cool. If it weren’t for the fact I’m already embroiled in two passion projects for Aos, I’d dabble with it. I have no clue with its rules so I can’t say if it’s good or not though.
>>96859041no, at most Gitz would lose the Trogg units
Troggoths are part of Gitz
>>96859096How many cav does nighthaunt even have; hexwraiths, reikenor, the mounted knight, and the weird two swordghost on horse?
>>96859015You can still play them as a CSM subfaction retardand now you have new uglier models to substitute the generic CSM kits with!
>>96859130pretty much, yeah. Id personally...skip out on hexwraiths though.
>>96858995>>96859134exhibiting bizarre behavior
>>96859189>point out fallacy>s-stop being so weird!!!
>>96859204NGMI in human society if you act like this
>>96859130Do flying boats count as cavalry?
>>96859218Don't project, shut-in
>>96859050Azog’s been having a rough time since he did the Hobbit movies, damn.
sigmar curious 40k player here. Is a deathrattle focused army even reasonably playable? I'm not looking to play tournaments or anything: I just have played a lot of elite armies in the past and want a real dumb fucking pile of skeletons. Can they actually tear stuff down? I just like dumb undead and dont really care about vampires
>>96859228>misused therapyspeakyeah you're doomed
>>96859266Sorry your bullshit larp about playing EC got identified as false so easily :(
>>96859262They have a whole Army of Renown focused on Deathrattle. Basically a limited army list with different army rules using the same warscrolls as the regular army.
There should be an AoR that lets CoS bring deathrattle units.
>>96859262yeah, it plays like a melee version of silvertide necrons from 40k if you want a frame of reference.
>>96859436my immediate thought springs to lethis, but doesn't morrda hate the undead?
LORE HELPI saw this post in a thread before this segment, I am new to HoH lore and I am hoping to find sources as well get lore answers.>Chorf appears in 2e BL lit (Blood Auction)>Robed figure with a segmented mask adorned with unfamiliar Duardin runes that glowed and left trails of smoke or steam. Seeking to purchase a bull icon of Duardin makeAnyone has this short story Blood Auction to share?>WD details how Chorfs came from one of the first Fyreslayer lodges disappearing, leaving behind a monolith dedicated to an all-fatherAnyone has this WD? Which number?>Any other bits of now irrelevant Chorf fluff, beyond the corebook Shyish factory?Shyish factor? More info on this lore?My deep thank you!
>>96859504WD bit is probably this.Shyish factory likely refers to the early appearance of Zharr Vyxa, who have been a lore presence since 2e
>>96859295Shit got worse
>>96859577Wait is the first prophet Urak Taar? Did GW play a con this long?
>>96859436>>96859495I can't recall the name but I'm pretty sure the gotrek books mentioned a city where the departed ancestors still guard the walls or something like that.If there's ever an army to have cool subfaction/ally rules it's CoS. Their cities actually have a good bit of fluff difference that's really not well expressed in game (but what else is new). Deathrattle allies for shyish, sylvaneth for ghyran, kharadron for chamon and tempests eye, etcetera. Lotta potential.
>>96857574>they chose to hammer down the iconography of the bull, eventually simplifying it into a top-heavy hexagonal shapeI am confused to what exactly are you saying. Did old Chorfs had far more elaborate iconography of the bull or HoH do?
>>96859627Might be, but it's plausible Urak Taar hails from Ghur since he was a sorcerer in Ur-Zorn before it fell.
>>96857658Elves
>>96858532How the fuck have there been 22 new generic marine releases in 10th?That's insane. Are they that forgettable now?I can only think of 3 or 4
>>96859577>>96859610 Thanks. Any lore screenshots from Shyish factory from before? Also, anyone has Blood Auction short story?>>96859723NTA but I am confused too.
>>96860017The list is probably counting every single random hero as a kit.
I remember when we used to get GOOD battleforces...
>>96860066yup
>>96860043That's still insane
>>96860043I mean. Isn’t every random hero a kit? If not what else would they be?
>>96860043That's because they are kits, retardkun
>>96860094I'm half tempted to buy one of those babby gargants from stormbringer since it costs like 26 bucks for one. They any fun to hobby with?
>>96858532>Skaven: 20 kits>In just 4eHUH???
>>96860219Anon it was a starter army
god damn stormfiends are fucking tedious to clean up and assemble
>>96860219I counted 18, but maybe they're counting the Skryre UW warband and the exclusive clawleader in the "Getting Started" set?
>>96860219Let's think....New ClanratsNew SnipersNew weapons teamsWeapons team heroZappy RatNew Wizard RatNamed WarlordNew VerminlordNew StormverminBig GunRogreWarlock EngineerSmaller Warlock EngineerGlobadiersGiant Monster RatNew PackmasterAm I missing some stuff?
>>96860295WheelratsFomo event clawlord
>>96860308I was trying to remember if we got new doomflayers but okay yeah that's fair. The funny thing is a few skaven players are still not happy since no ninja or plague rats but this honestly was a really fucking good refresh for them. Fingers crossed the nurgle stuff is good too!
>>96860318That's because Night Runners and Plague Monks needed a remake more than pretty much everything except Rat Ogres and it's mind-boggling that they've still yet to get one
>>96860318I'm happy but I still want my plaguerats and nightrunners
>>96860328>>96860331I do agree they need remakes, but I will say that Skryre getting the main focus alongside a bit of Mouldr is probably the best choice as much as I would enjoy Plaguemonks and nightrunners getting a bit of love. Underworlds showed they at least remember they exist!
>>96857574>>96859723I am pretty sure Helsmiths doubled down on the bull element far more then old Chorfs ever did. Good thing, I can not wait to see them explore the religion of Hashut further.
>>96860318I think that part of it is that some people want to build an alternate sort of Skaven army composition, and NRs and PMs are the only viable alternative to Clanrats as your basic spam infantry now that giant rats are gone. So their choices are to buy clanrats like every other player, or buy really super sub-par ancient models (regiments have kind of fucked this over so I'd say they're doomed anyway).
>>96860328>>96860331Nightrunners will come soon, and it seems pestilens will come after, if we can believe the rumourmongers
>>96860217Not really. It's not a comfy build experience and the only options are the head and lower arms really. If you mean legitimate hobbying then yeah, chop it up and reload it. Sculpt a unique face and craft a custom weapon
>>96860554Faster.
>>96860554This really is an amazing piece of art man. Also holy shit is that the little dragon from asarnil's kit lmao?
>>96858848What's absolutely hilarious to me is how badly 40keks will defend marineslop. Like try insulting marines in slightest way in /40kg/ and you will instantly have at least 2 faggots calling you a nomodels/nogames. Fucking psychotic.
>>96860491iirc they'll be part of a new spearhead alongside CoS, both having new miniatures
Might use this for my plaguebearer, you anons think I should do a bit of a highlight on the stone or leave it as is?
>>96860666I wonder when they're going to announce that, seems like a good mid-edition thing.
>>96860643You AoSissies should be grateful, big dick Marinedaddies keep your game a float. If it wasn't for us buying Sigmarines to convert in blood angels your game would have gone out of business!
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>>96860708Well, Warcry isn't getting any releases so maybe Spearhead fills that slot
>>96860724gave me a laugh,
>>96860724AoS is profitable but of course GWs real motivation is monopolising game store shelves so even if it wasn't they'd support it just to crush the competition
>>96860118>>96860156Technically, they are, practically, they carry a whole different weight on a range of models.Say your dream faction was going to get 4 kits.3 pity heroes and one unit kit is an insulting microfaction, meanwhile 1 unit kit, one elite unit kit, one centerpiece kit and one monster kit, is an impressive faction out of the gate.
>>96856901It would be interesting to see the kingdoms of undeath have some form of industry. Skeleton blacksmiths to outfight the Wights, skeletons and zombies mining for raw materials, maybe some skeleton artisans to make nice things for vampires.
>>96860740Faster.
>>96857124Death edition best edition, get Nagash on the phone
>>96860784
>>96860804FASTER
>You now remember the Ghur Order Beastmen from the Thondia book
>>96860829"Order" Beastmen were a thing as far back as the backsotry for the Twistfray
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>>96860834Yeah, but these ones weren't murdered after the age of chaos
>>96860870>afterbefore, actuallybeastmen were on the realm long before chaos proper arrived
>>96860804>>96860843Lel these stupid always get me
>>96859723They used the bull iconography, but it was literally just a bull head here and there, meanwhile the hoh range has recurring shapes that are the stylized silhouette of a bull head, virtually everywhere once you realize that even the basic hexagonal gem, or the metal plate on the hats, is also in that shape because of the bull head.
>>96861035Which model is the skull one from?
>>96861035>The bull has a tall & narrow head>The gems are tall & narrow>The hats are tall & narrow>The blades are tall & narrow>The shields are tall and narrowI'm afraid... it's peak
>>96861035The gem I can see but the hatplate ehhh
>>96861035Absolute fucking cinema if this was intentional and not just false patern your brain forced
>>96861250I believe it. They did a similar thing with CoS and to a lesser extent Skaven.
What an uninspiring box this is. It makes the army look so boring!Would it have killed them to include a unit of cavalry?
>>96861250Stuff like that is extremely intentional. Design cues are fun to spot in GW’s sculpts. A minor one I noticed was the knee pad of the Eidolons of Mathlann being shaped like the crest of Lothern.
>>96861274It may be boring but 2 of those are solid for any LRL collection. Just maybe sell off the 2nd Cathallar or convert her into an Enlightener or other 32mm hero.
>>96861199the hatplate is less direct, but if you see how the skullsockets emerge from the shape in the bull skull symbol you can imagine how they played around with the design on the drawing board.It helps that this indentation also sells the idea of gears and cogs and razor blades.
>>96861154bull centaur
>>96861035Okay and you like or dislike that? Personally, I adore the way they used bull aspect in Helsmiths of Hashut range. There is beauty and elegance there. Potent strength and majesty too. Pure SOVL.Not like old Chorf aesthetic of slapping spikes, stars and skulls to everything under the sun. I liked that too but it pales in comparison to HoH. I think Helsmiths are going to end up as one of the more popular factions.They feel like a Chaos Duardin civilization that has a actual highly esoteric religion. There is a element of luxury and decadence to them ( Bull Centaurs and Anointend Sentinels).I can not wait to see more of religious side of Hashutite society explored further.
>>96861274It's probably the best value elf box James is selling at the moment, not counting the TOW wood elves box (nice sculpts) or the high elf one (awful sculpts). Also >>96861288
>>96861035>>96861296Damn, I just noticed this pattern. Helsmith Chads just can not stop winning.
>>96861312GW designers actually locked the fuck in and made chorfs more than not!khornepretty sure khorne also has bull motifs
>>96861035I still wish that they went for something more diabolic and brutalI'm really basic and just like my chaos stuff to look generically chaos-y
>>96861414Consider them a canvas to test your conversion skills to make them that way. Better how they are now than an over detailed mess that makes “chaosifying” them impossible.
>>96861312>Okay and you like or dislike that?I do appreciate it, malleable symbols like these help a lot in building a recognisable visual language, and there's a very purposeful direction with HoH to give them almost exclusively hard lines, bold angles and inorganic shapes, because organic shapes evoke nature, while they're about imposing their new artificial industrial order, coherence they choose to have over the infernal taurus by making it a statue instead of a somewhat living animal, and it's spot on as a decision.The problems I see are that chaos dwarfs already had a visual language, a less unique one perhaps, but a visual language nonetheless, and they chose to delete that almost completely to restart from scratch, so I do understand why some fans of the old look aren't fully on board with the new one; the second problem relates to what formed the previous language and why it made that one both less unique, more familiar and "better" because more flexible and verisimilar: it used more than one shape.The new visual language is very strong, coherent and literally iconic at a glance, but feels limited because it's built on this almost singular design cue, while the previous aesthetic had both hard lines and plenty of curves, both arrows and flames, both skulls and runes and thunderbolts. This variety makes the language more directionless, but it also makes it very flexible, chaos dwarfs had many different hat designs, and many more could be easily cooked up, similarly a weapon could be a very curved sword or a hard lined axe and both would have fit them neatly, and this variety feels familiar and natural because historical designs are never just one symbol or just one theme or just one artisan, but what's in style in one area is the result of decades and centuries of a process that inevitably branches everything. on top of the chaos dwarfs having certain shapes chosen specifically to remind of a certain geographical area.
>>96861478I can't say HoH are worse overall, because, again, I do appreciate a lot of the choices in the direction, even the one that separates them from the rest of chaos.But I feel they're missing a branching of their designs, which they very much can do with following releases (they already have spherical shapes with the little demon furnaces, if they want to add curves, for example).And I think they shat the bed with the blunderbusses and cannon, the former have stopped looking like a blunderbuss, the latter is too puny when the expectation for chorf was and still is BIG artillery
>>96861377>GW designers actually locked the fuck in and made chorfs more than not!khorne I have no fucking idea what you are trying to convey here.Bulls are actually far more relevant symbol and motiff of Slaanesh. For over 20 years now. For more modern examples, look at Keeper of Secrets head. Khorne had bull aspect but it has been phased out in favor of hounds.>>96861478I admire high quality posts like yours. We get that less and less. Care for a question? What do you think of the religious side of Hashutite society shown thus far (in terms of models, lore and art) AND what would you like too see added added to HoH range with future releases?
>>96861528Red and spikes and skulls = khorne
As I sit out here waiting to trade some ghouls for dwarves, I wonder, why set a time for a trade and not fucking be there on time.
>>96861603You didn't even clean the mold lines off...
>>96861603Your ghoulussy is going to get flanked by a real Dawi, anon.
>>96861622Not mine originally and off to be trade fodder now since I don't want a block of 30 ghouls more than I'd want stuff for KO.>>96861634Took him long enough!
>>96861603By Ushoran, I really hope ghouls, horrors and flayers get a refresh in 5ed.
>>96861670I've got 20 cryptguard and I'm using 2 gorger gangs as my horrors.
>>96861603Give me a moment i locked myself in the McDonalds bathroom
>>96861377Nah, Khorne is dogs and dragonsSlaanesh is bulls and snakesTzeentch is birds and fishNurgle is flies and worms
>>96861528fluffwise their characterisation is flawless, brilliant even with the connection to ghur and how hashut as a personality is built, I have zero notes beyond wanting to see more, especially in terms of history, I think there's good avenues to be explored when it comes to history with skaven, kragnos's race and beastmenmodel wise I don't think they did enough to characterise the small subdivisions of their society: the basic infantry are meant to come from noble families, so I would expect some way to display the heraldic/runic devices or totems of their bloodline, but instead they're very uniform; the ranged guys are meant to be the craftsmen and inventors carrying their experimental stuff to war to test it out, but instead, again, they're very uniform, while reading the fluff you'd have expected a galore of different guns and tools like the kharadrons' elite unit, at least for one build option. It's obvious they chose the fluff for the units after they've already largely cemented the look. when it comes to sorcerers, priests and generals we're pretty much stuck with their equipment alone to see who's who, but in this case it's a minor nitpick.the additional units models feel almost obligatory:lammasutrain carrying some bigger gunsarmored chaos giantziggurat/forge/oildrill scenery piece not!kdaii chained warpstuff spells
>>96860703Looks good as is.Could you share how you did it ?I'm trying to do similar lava bases for std
PUNISH THE PACIFIST!
>>96862159I hate fighting DoK, fuck the spear snakes too.And not like that.
>>96861670This>>96861689Is the play, the gorgers are basically the modern day horror refresh, and you get almost twice the models for the price too
>>96862169I once lost a game against DoK playing tzeentch. Literally measured my charge perfectly to use a 12 from the fate dice. He didn't say anything, but during charge phase, then suddenly a 0.6" was stopping me from doing the charge I wanted. Decided to charge snakes instead and got destroyed by strike last and making my Tzaangors completely impotent
>>96857698>half the boxby no metric is that "half the box" >>96858313>more extreme vague postingconsider the rope, go post on that gay forum instead of coming here
>>96858434>literally no information that a consumer coul actually use to decide future purchases like pictures of the product, scans of the product, proof of pricing etcKYS, go post on that faggy forum instead of shitting up these threads
>>96862240I just used some Deffcopta blades to replace the clubs and give them "swords" gave my big boss one a big shield that was some elaborate bit with medeival imagery and just chained it to his wrist. I have to get off my ass and paint the rest one of these days but I'm lazy and on hobby break.>>96862269I had to deal with similar shit, they had all 90% spear snakes, morathi, some bow snakes, and then a fucking vertical line of those warlocks on horses literally only used for screening. I was playing OBR had the fucking perfect reinforced Morghast charge lined up, rerolled it and everything and the fucker just does the redeploy action rolls exactly enough to stop me and blocks the charge.It's like, you can't just sit there and let them build up power, and you can't go to the middle you'll be a sitting duck against a death charge. Then you got the bullshit that is Morathi with her "only take 3 damage a turn" which is fine when you have ranged damage but if your main factions are fucking DEATH you're basically just hoping you brought chaff that game to buy you a turn of her not murdering you.
>>96862294>>96862286Contribute something of worth to the thread then, post a model you have personally worked on you fucking reject.
>>96858939aside from the craven cuck king, I have no idea what Nighthaunts deal even is. How does a group of ghosts have any kind of society, or motivation to fight the other groups? SBG is power hungry vampires, FEC wants to eat, and OBR are collecting taxes, so what do the ghosts bring to the table?
>>96862308>no your shitting up the board!I accept your concession, begone to reddit or wherever your from
>>96858939I'm gonna be completely honest, FEC won over NH for me. I like NH but they keep getting fucked with and GW doesn't seem to know what to do with them since they're either OP as fuck or nerfed/changed to be unrecognizable. I like the models and the heroes but the gameplay I'm not the biggest fan of.FEC at least you know what you're getting, you get a bunch of naked schizos on foot that rip and shred anyone and do it better when boss guys are around. I think the range could use a couple more units to fit the themes present but what is there now is fantastic.
>>96862366I mean, I won't, but thanks for posting models. Hope they look good when you're done.
I'm having some vague thoughts about trying to get a Spearhead group going next year. So I'd want two fully painted Spearheads ready to go for demo games. I've got the Sylvaneth one already, and I'm torn between Idoneth and Lumineth. Which would be the better matchup against Sylvaneth?
>>96862424Nurgle?
>>96862424If you must absoultely be the elf guy then Lumineth would be easier to hand to a new player than Idoneth or Sylvaneth.
>>96862424Sylvaneth is one of the strongest Spearheads because the Kurnoths will delete whatever they aim at. Lumineth is one of the weaker ones because the hero does almost nothing. New Idoneth is a solid if not strong. Old Idoneth spearhead is alright.
>>96862426No, I have to go with an army I actually want to paint and may want to expand from the Spearhead. Like, I'm not including DoK as an option because I don't want to build, paint, or own those fuckin ugly horses>>96862435>>96862441hmmm....
Was flipping through the KO battletome and saw this guy. When are we getting beefy power armor sky dwarves?
>>96862559that's literally just an Arkanaut Admiral
>>96862476Get IDK, Volturnos or the shark will definetly get people interested in the faction. It'll be more fun painting since you'll get to do whatever with the fish instead of having to mono color 30 elves
>>96862580Yeah that's my thought too. I guess if neither are great for beginners I might as well go for visual bang.Thanks!
>>96862294>learn that your army is about to get squatted, souped, and/or refreshed>learn what specific units are coming or going>this does not affect my purchases at all!this has to be deliberate retardation
>>96862563
New rumor from that Boole, it's mostly just him crying so I can't be bothered with a screenshot. Here's the only interesting bit:>What truly pains me is TOW. New kits for TOW will become increasingly scarce (unless you, as a WHFB fan, consider GC could be called new WHFB kits) Certain TOW factions will undergo peculiar amalgamations – this sounds very AOS and leaves me thoroughly disheartened You might consider that existing factions will be merged into monstrosities like XXX Hordes or XXX Kingdoms
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>>96862782>GC?
>>96862843Grandy Cathay. Basically he's bitching that they're not a "Real" WHFB army.
>>96862865Oh right, I just thought of them as Cathay.I think it's a little early to declare the sky is falling seen as maruaders of all things got updated and there's something for the next reveal show.
>>96862782What could they even soup in TOW? Bring Skaven back as part of Beastmen?
>>96862895My personal theory is that he's just jumping the gun and what they're really doing is splitting up the Forces of Fantasy/Ravening Horde books into like 3-4 slightly smaller tomes, just because it's no longer really feasible to fit the core rules and units for every army into two books anymore and it will only get worse with every new arcane journal.
>>96862944lol that sounds extremely plausible.
>>96862895>>96862865>>96862782Holy shit I think I get where he’s getting at. They’re fucking gitmobbing the old world whole sale. Or maybe they’re going the chaos deity route in 40K? Idk. But some armies are going to have a ship of Theseus at some point in regards to their identity. Warriors of chaos will be Norsca, ogre kingdoms will be butt buddies of zhao, vampire counts will be mouse lion of the French, lizard men might join wood elves? Idk. Point is, old world is trade marking the old world factions.
I did not realize how much fuckin bigger stormfiends were than rat ogres
bring it back
>>96863482I've showed the xl cans to people who recently started and they always think it's shopped
>>96862169You need to learn to relax when you're getting pegged
>>96857212Does TOW even sell? Like having fans of video games is useless if they don't buy the models.AoS gets hate everywhere but it sells
Stop giving attention to the samefag troll who is talking with himself about how "Helsmiths of Hashut flopped".The pathetic little creature doesnt know anything else.
>>96863607To whom are you even speaking right now? The discussion about HoH was about 6 hours ago, and largely civil.
spiderfang must die so dok can get spider girls.
>>96863629Change spiders for scorpions and im in. DoK must be the monsterfucker faction.
