Wouldn't a Paladin just kill a Fighter? They are literally Fighters, but with Divine Magic
>>96883785Assuming their martial prowess is evenly matched probably. Presumably if a fighter is holding his own against a paladin it’s because he has skills to make up for the lack of divine magic.
>>96883785On paper Fighter should be the weakest class other than Rogue
how are you supposed to beat a fighter in a fight?
>>96883871Be a caster.
>>96883871Fighters are literally just dudes
>>96883871cheat
>>96883785Yoou could say a Fighter has twice as much fighting power, as they don't sacrifice half of it.
>>96883785>Grand Mastery>4 attacks vs 3 attacksPick your poison
>>96883871take levels in fighterer
>>96883785>Wouldn't a Paladin just kill a Fighter? They are literally Fighters, but with Divine Magicto see it objectively imagine there are 10 or more then 3 warrior tier classes.yes, the best warrior were knights and samurai and equivalent elites.tier 1warrior fighter and add two moretier 2soldier ad two moretier 3 (the elite)paladin knight samurai
>>96883785in a fantasy setting this historical knight would be a paladinhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Terrail,_seigneur_de_Bayard"Bayard, armed with sword and spear, then placed himself in the middle of the bridge, challenging alone about 300 or 400 Spaniards who, though numerous, could not even make him retreat. Around the knight rained arrows, spears, and spades, but he, dodging them, continued to repel all who climbed the bridge to face him, until his friend Bellabre rushed to pull him away from there to take him to safety. Bayard's intervention made it possible to cover the retreat of the French army and gave them time to place the artillery to be ready to face the Spaniards and start the counterattack."
>>96883785those feats and special abilities etc would be accessible only to paladins, samurai and knights and other warriors classes would get little to nothing and would be pretty much an npc tier weak class (or something inferior for sure).
>>96883862>Roguerogue and thief are fit only to be hireling classes with no sneak attack aka flank attack as if the rogue/thief can do some much damage with a flank attack then how much would the warrior classes do? 10d20?
>>96883785There's no reason for an archetypal heroic Fighter to not become an Oath of Glory Paladin
>>96883785In a world full of magic, like D&D heavily implies through its character options and monster manual and no established hard limitations on either, the Paladin would be the faith-based/Radiant form of Fighter.Literally.
>>96883785Fighter would win.>Damage Output:Pal gets two attacks, one can be buffed a little at the cost of a bonus action a few times.Fighter gets three or so attacks and can do this indefinitely.>ACPal might have a slightly higher AC POSSIBLY, but a fighter is no slouch either. Draw.>X FactorPals have a little divine magic, but that's nothing compared to fighter's subclasses. They shit on the "oaths" of the pal.>HealthDraw, but fighter might have even more invested in Constitution.I can only assume you know you are wrong, but i had to respond.I would rather play a Pal though.
>>96883785What system?
>>96884015
>>96884041I propose gladiatrix
>>96888868From a setting and in-universe perspective, but you can say 5E as a placeholder
>>96889180Which setting?
>>96889212Forgotten Realms
Enjoy your ban.
>>96883785Depends on the setting, system, and all.I am making a system where martials have skills and abilities that can counter and overpower casters.
>>96889307Fighter would already win, no need to stack more bonuses against the shitty third caster Pal.
>>96883785No, he wouldn't. Because they are brothers, and stand on the side of Justice.
>>96883785Fighter takes Paladin all day everyday.
When you think about it. Paladin should be like an advances or prestige class instead of a basic one like fighter.ive been thinking about this wort of thing for awhile, and i think warhammer fantasy 'job progression' make far more sense than dnd classes.Sure you start off as a rat catcher with a small (but fierce) dog. But you earn your way up to being a fucking warrior priest of sigmar though hard work and deeds.
>>96884015Only good post ITT.
>>96883785Depends on what system. Which is?
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>>96883785Woudln't you just start playing games? They are literally all you shitpost about, yet not trying to play
>>96889608>this is what fighters think they actually areLOL
>>96884015He'll fall to the fightest. High test fightest, we call him.
>>96885841I'm assuming you're talking about 5th edition when you say Paladin only gets two attacks. In 3.5 and Pathfinder, Pallies get full BAB and thus the same number of attacks, same as Fighters. The only mechanical difference is that Fighters get bonus feats (which will all go straight into the Cleave/Power Attack/Weapon Spec trees if we're talking Player Manual-core campaigns). In 3.5/Pathfinder 1e, Paladin class abilities and spells will very heavily slant the fight in their favor. The Fighter doesn't even need to be Evil for Smite to work on him, all the Paladin needs to gain a nigh insurmountable advantage is use Lay on Hands every turn on himself to effectively double his HP pool and far surpass the survivability of the Fighter.
>>96883907No, a Caster beats a fighter in a Cast. A Fighter beats a Caster in a Fight.
Paladins can't do that thing where you dash past your enemy as you draw your sword and then after a few seconds the enemy falls in half.
>>96890365fighters can't do that, either
>>96890370Skill issue
>>96889608>the state of fighters is so dire they're pining to be a trailer for an mmo based on the skyrim gameFus ro dah indeed...
>>96890123Aaah, no answer because no game...
>>96890517>>96889180I'm not even trying to be ironic here
In a world full of magic, like D&D heavily implies through its character options and monster manual and no established hard limitations on either, the Paladin would be the faith-based/Radiant form of Fighter.Literally.
Traditionally, I think the idea is the paladin trades combat prowess for their magic/paladin abilities. So basically they are worse at raw combat than a fighter.
Paladins should have been stuck with the old school system where only the most gigachad Fighting Man could become one. Based on how I understand it, Paladin was a strict upgrade for the HMF.
>>96883785Have you played this scenario out in your games? Please tell us more about the games you play sounds super interesting.
DnDogshit doesn't only create the dumbest game, is also creates the dumbest discussion
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>>96890350Every time she lays on hands, she's giving the fighter a free full attack.
>>96890372Yes, for fighters.
>>96891294I can't speak for 3.5, but PF1 pallys can touch themselves as a swift action, which means that they can full attack just fine while still getting a heal off every round. Although I suspect that in practice both kill each other in a couple of rounds, and the main determiner comes down to who wins initiative.
>>96891380Then why did you keep mentioning 3.5?
>>96883785Except their "divine Magic" is highly limited. A ranged fighter can just kite the shit out of a Paladin because Paladins have no ranged options, except maybe in 5th/2024 if they give up their single Fighting Style option to take the one that gives them a single cleric cantrip or have Magic Initiate from 2024. Either way, they're lessening their martial powers for sub-par magical ability.So yeah, that's how a Fighter beats a Paladin. The fact they can use Ranged Weapons and Melee Weapons, while Paladins are stuck in Melee. In fact, several options - Cavalier with its mounted ability, Arcane Archer with its Arcane Shots, and Battlemaster with its maneuvers - have specializations that can turn a Ranged Fighter into an absolute stonewall against a Paladin.
>>96890370>Mobile Feat>Half movement to go in>attack 10 times with an 18-20 crit range>Half movement to keep goingThey can do it better than Paladins.
>>96891276Does repeating the rules I already mentioned in my post make you feel smart? >>96891294In 3.5 you can just move away and use it. Ideally the paladin has cast The attack of opportunity you suck is negligible to Lay on Hands. Hell, if we're talking a maxed out 3.5 Pally, that's 120-140 HP restored in a single standard action. They can also use both Bless and Prayer to give themselves a nice +2 bonus to hit and the Fighter a -1 penalty to hitting them. If for whatever reason this hypothetical level 20 Paladin doesn't already have a +5 weapon, Holy Sword will rectify that for the duration of the battle. And of course, the Paladin gets a mount who, while certainly not on par with a level 20 Fighter, can tip the odds further in the Paladin's favor if he's using Mounted Combat feats. >>96891385That anon isn't me. He's correct, though.
>>96891639>5e trashLOL fucking fighter faggot
>>96883785Magic can't be divine, though.Divinity is composed of the natural powers which brought the world into being and grant life, while magic is supernatural or unnatural.
>>96891735You said the fighter doesn't need to be evil for Smite to work. That was false. Are you illiterate?
>>96891735So you're going to give the fighter a free opportunity attack, waste your turn, and then allow the fighter to either move and standard action attack, or throw a javelin, completely negating the healing you wasted your turn on? lol
>>96891762Magic is divine though. Check mate atheists.
>>96891735>that's 120-140 HP restored in a single standard actioncool story bro>chunks you for 200 hp with one attack, then makes 6 more
>>96891735You mean, that's ~130 HP restored in a single action, once, after which your healing pool is depleted, and you didn't deal any damage to the fighter. Great job.
D&D is SHIT
>>96891735ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU WERE WRONG IMMEDIATELY.
>>96890552>5e as a placeholder>as a placeholderie: no answer, because no game
>>96883785Paladin should protect those weaker than himself.
>>96891168Advanced and prestige classes used to be like this.Either outright better than a basic one, or a basic one with very small concessions made to specialize in a particular aspect if the class.
>>96890355Casters can cast buff spell on themselves to temporarily become a combat monster that out-fights 20th level fighters.
>>96891748>3abooIt's fine I can just play one of the 500000000000 classes that are just fighter but with a single new feature because 3.PF1e is a poorly designed shitshow.
>>96883785Their magic is just healing, curing diseases, lifting curses, detecting evil and other such supports that they get in exchange for religious devotion.Meanwhile fighters are training 24/7. While the Palafag was praying, they studied the blade. Fighter wins the duel nearly every time.
>>96883785Play something that isn't 5E, you damned redditor.
>>96894510What do you suggest
>>96883871Fight harder.
