Why would vampires be effectively immune to guns? They are (usually) still flesh and blood creatures, sure they might have tough skin and regeneration but if you can decapitate them with a sword or kill them with a stake in the heart why would blowing off their neck with a whole magazine or shooting them in the heart with an antitank rifle not kill them?If you manage to hit a vampire with an RPG it should be dead.
>>96884335Because the lore about how to kill vampires was largely codified into its current form in the 18th and 19th centuries.
>>96884335silver bullets
>>96884335What guns can reliably decapitate what amounts to a superhuman? Besides, depending on the lore decapitation may only be a form of final death if it's already staked or otherwise incapacitated.
an RPG is completely different from a gun so that's a moot point. The reason guns are ineffective against vampires is that simply piercing them does nothing to kill them, it's literally like shooting a corpse. Actually decapitating somebody or severing limbs with bullets doesn't happen that often, overpenetrating a vampire doesn't hurt them because their bodies are animated by an unholy curse and poking holes in them doesn't stop them since their organs are cosmetic.Blowing one up with a rocket propelled grenade would work because they're supernaturally weak to fire, even a simple torch is effective, let alone a fucking military grade explosive, and unlike just shooting them with a handgun the shockwave and blast of an RPG will likely dismember them entirely even if the fire wasn't enough to give them true death.
>>96884335The reason is they're not really "alive" so organ and shock damage doesn't really do that much to them, plus they can regenerate pretty quickly so the relatively small impact damage of a bullet isn't that big a deal. Or at least that's the WoD reason why.
Guntard trying to not ruin the game with his obnoxious fixation challenge: (IMPOSSIBLE).
>>96884374>>96884370Ok that actually makes sense, though they should still need eyes to see and a brain to think (though i guess the latter could be explained by le magic and their other senses could compensate for the former)
>>96884335If you can kill it with a gun, it's not horror.
>>96884335You don't actually hold this position.
>>96884335seems it assume that there is no colossal exit wounds on a vampire when shot with most bullet types. antitank rifle; what they have are not actual bullets, when they can damage a tank they can severely damage or destroy a vampirewhole magazine; that works as they supposedly take a little damage from 1 but many would kill or damage them severely if shot with a bullet that causes huge exit wounds or expands and tears their flesh they are damaged alot, or should be
>>96884395zombies, werewolves, aliens, slasher villians, the thing, urban horror/real life serial killers aren't horror because... they just aren't ok!!Also somehow it being killed by guns is bad but if it's killed by crossbows and stakes that's ok?
>>96884335>why does this magical creature require special circumstances to kill?Yet again, autism creates a problem that isn't there.
>>96884335Well going by the example of your picture, John Carpenter's Vampires does have different power levels going on.If I remember right the weaker "goons" do generally get slowed down a lot by bullets, perhaps even incapacitated. Valek there in your picture is "The First Vampire" and way above the rest in power level.
>>96884434in pic rel bullets are more of a minor inconvenience even to the goons, cause some pain and knockback but nothing major
>>96884335bullets and vampiressevere damage; Expanding bullets (hollow-point or soft-point designs that mushroom on impact) so large exit wounds and flesh tearing. Shotguns are good as well as they tear flesh, but that depends of the shell as well.little damage; Standard bullets (full metal jacket from handguns or rifles); Armor-piercing bullets, that just create thin holes.fuck off the planet damage; antitank rifle ammunition which is very large, and would create a huge hole like 10 cm or more and remove vampire limbs, heads or kill outright. These tear flesh as well around the hole from the force. Catastrophic trauma on impact.the problem is that most people would have normal bullets and these woudl just cause little damage.
What if a vampire is using the gun?
>>96884335>why would a supernatural entity not be harmed by a mundane object projected at them at high velocity?
Since this thread exist, let me ask something about vampires:>waterWhere does this idea that vampires can't cross water come from? Nosferatu being tied to his land? Is this something universal with undead creatures?>silverSilver is supposed to be very effective against werewolves, but I believe having read that it can also work against vampires. Or not?Yeah, if you make a fictional fantasy setting and add vampires, you can basically do whatever with them. But I want to understand the logic behind these ideas.
>>96884383being literally undead, their brain may not actually be required
>>96884522it's supernatural but still corporeal, unlike a ghost.
>>96884539In particular, it's flowing water that vampires can't cross - and when the legend came about, it wasn't just vampires. Flowing water from a river is in contrast to still water in a lake or pond. The idea was that sickness and filth could form in still or stagnant water, but not in moving water like a river. Silver has a similar origin, being associated symbolically with purity and purification.
I like questions like this, it reminds me of that one scene in stardust crusaders where vampire DIO suffers a weaken state after Jotaro bashed his skull in. As for the thread question I think guns could work somewhat on a vampire but it would need to be either a headshot or silver bullet. explosive rounds would be great at crippling and dismembering the vampire too. and incendiary rounds would be pretty effect too as vampires I think still feel pain. if I were running a vampire encounter I would likely allow some leeway with the tools used to kill a vampire.
>>96884335>If you manage to hit a vampire with an RPG it should be dead.So either make an RPG in which that happens, or find a GM willing to run a game in which that happens.Don't bitch about it to us, retard.
I can smell the HFY faggots coming from a mile away
>>96884551The moment you say "supernatural" you have to accept that whatever it is does not behave according to the laws of physics in some way shape or form. This may be as mild as someone having ESP and seeing ghosts around them, or it can be as extreme as a vampire who is vulnerable only to traditional folkloric weaponry like silver swords, garlic, and wooden stakes. Whether it is corporeal or not is effectively meaningless.
>>96884335Depends on what system. Which is?
Why would a stake through the heart harm a vampire but not a bullet through the heart?
>>96884615regeneration can still stitch a hole in the heart back together - but not if there's a big chunk of living wood occupying the space
>>96884615a 'stake' is planted firmly into something, like ground. Or torsos. It's not about the shape of the object, it's just about preventing regen. Wood may not really be necessary per se, it could be that it's just the easiest material to fashion a good solid impaling implement out of. But when it is specifically called out that it has to be wood for it to work, it's usually for symbolic reasons - Vlad Tepes impaled his enemies on wooden stakes. So you do the same to him and his vampirespawn to incapacitate them.
>>96884644>stake, a piece of wood from a felled tree, fashioned into a point>"living wood"???
>>96884367SAW/Minimi. .556 belt-fed LMG. Many reports of decapitations and dismemberments, even trees getting cut down.Also, evil magic guys being immune to guns and swords is because they serve Satan, and lead and iron, as base metals used for warfare, belong to Satan, and silver being anathema to them is because, like gold and all precious metals and currency, rightly belongs to God, which is why you should give any you have to the Church that made up this "legend." Copper is also a coin metal, though, and modern bullets are typically copper-jacketed, and often the lead is alloyed with zinc, the primary constituent of the coinage of the nation chosen by God, so bullets totally work against vampires. Don't believe me? Ask Charlie Kirk.
>>96884539Running water is a bridge between the realms of the living and the dead, and the undead exist because they refuse to cross over, also, it's used for cleaning, and the word evil literally just means stinky.Silver is a little more complicated, but the sanctity of coinage in a society dominated by a for-profit religion is the main reason, although there is some case to be made for its role in hygeinic food and drink service, though that role was the reason it became a precious metal used for currency, so, it's really something worth a wiki-trawl, if you've the time and inclination.Garlic is similarly used as a food preservative and as a preventative medicine. Vampire mythology is inextricable from ancient medical conventions regarding disease, remember that all religious conventions regarding the handling of corpses and the profanity of close contact with the dead are, at their root, attempts to stem the spread of plagues. Hygeine is a major concern of any civilised religion; the main reason Americans refuse to learn to read is because the Bible says you have to wash your ass before going to church.
>>96884730Aaaand the HFY-skinsuit wearing liberal scum have arrived. Fantastic. Thread's dead, everyone go home.
>>96884805So basically, vampires are discord mods?
>>96884820They were here since the beginning of the thread.
>>96884805> the word evil literally just means stinky.No, it doesn't. The earliest origins of the word in Old English were of someone who violates cultural norms and traditions, such as warrior honor or the expected behavior of a wife. Tracing it further back to the Proto-Indo-European roots again confirms it's about violation of social codes. It didn't always mean "pure, absolute moral wrongness" but it always had the connotation of someone who has done a great wrong. In Middle English, yes, it was occasionally used for stinky people, insomuch as their stink was so foul it became a breach of social custom that could clear out a village to escape the fumes.
>>96884608Hello?
>>96884335They're undead. May as well ask why zombies are resistant to guns unless they're hit in the brain.Just because vampires look like living people doesn't make them so.
>>96884805>>96884891Just to back up Anon's correction, the closest attestation to "stinky" is a fairly narrow use case where it MIGHT have been used to refer to a latrine, and otherwise, the evil was an abstraction of something being so bad it was worth calling evil with the same sort of meaning that we use it for today
>>96884374Bullets shatter bones and rip ligaments though. Even though they are dead, the fucker might not be able to run after you with shattered shins or hip bones, grab you with mangled hands or broken arms, or bite you with a broken jaw or their teeth blown out. Also, how are they gonna suck blood from you with a punctured lung?
>>96885341Bones and muscles and shit just aren't a thing in fantasy stuff. You need more sex in your life. Sex with me. Right now you have zero sex in your life.
>>96884383>should still need eyes to see and a brain to thinkI think the curse os the firmware, so brains are optional, though having one grants the leech whatever knowledge was stored.Human vision requires eyes, but vampires can see without them.
>>96884805>>96884561Cool. This is now more speculative: I had this idea that vampires can't drink water (though, what would happen if they do?), but can't picture them not drinking vine. A blood as well is more water than anything else. So, maybe, any kind of drink that is adulterated is drinkable for them.
>>96885359>>96885341also noting most fiction has vampires regenerate from all non fire/holy based damage. even staking through the heart only halts their regeneration in most popular media.
>>96884335Vampires are like physical ghosts. Their form is like an illusion and even though they look they are receiving damage they are not hurt in the slightest except in the ways that matter such as exposing them to sunlight and/or staking them in the heart.
>>96884511That's all the gun, Alucard just has the superhuman strength needed to wield a 16kg 13mm "FUCK YOU IN PARTICULAR" handgun.
>>96884335Given that vampires tend to be depicted as capable of being stupid fast, stupid sturdy, and can turn into mist and shit, I figure it's not that vampires are immune to guns, it's that trying to pin the suckers down to ensure a successful hit can be a pain in the neck. There's a reason Blade from the Marvel comics uses both swords and guns, and why the original Dracula had everyone arm themselves with Winchester rifles.
>>96884335To spite you, gunfag
>>96885637>blood as well is more water than anything elsetrying to mix these symbolic things with moder modern understandings of what stuff is actually made out of seems like it's just gonna be more trouble than its worth.
>>96884539>waterIt's a threshold. Thresholds for some reason or another are important to us. They show up in fiction, celebrations, etiquette etcI am sure if you google thresholds there are many interesting topics and I bet they span most cultures.
>>96884335Their flesh doesn't do hydrostatic shock, a bullet is just a very small stab wound to them.
>>96884419>zombies, werewolves, aliens, slasher villians, the thing,Have all shown a good deal of resistance if not outright immunity to firearms. And the THING? Really? You're an idiot.
>>96884335Most of what vampires do well is done fairly up close. The Hypnotism, the unnatural strength, the blood sucking… it’s all very slow and deliberate. And it makes it seem a lot less threatening when you can evaporate it’s vital organs from 100+ yards away.
>>96884395Real life disagrees.100% of the most horrifying and successful murderers in history had a fatal allergy to lead.
>>96885359Can I shoot you in the groin with a sawn off first to see if it effects your performance?>>96886192Regeneration takes time though, some sort of belt fed continuous firearm sounds appropiate, so as long as you are inflicting damage quicker than they can heal you should be ok until sun comes up. "Jenkins! Ready the Vickers and 200,000 rounds of ammo!"
>>96888756>Real life disagreesIrrelevant, there's no vampires IRL.>>96884419Yes, the moment you can just go "Muricah, fuck yea", it's no longer horror, but usually a Halloween themed comedy.>the thingDid you even watch the film.
>>96889613Actually being able to hit them is the real problem. Outside of the weakest of newly turned, vampires are faster than most people. And some are so fast they're already behind you by the time you get the Vickers spitting.To not ignore the fantastical aspect. The best strategy is to field expert marksman with rifles or even handguns. Their ammunition sanctified and blessed by a priest.
>>96884364Chop them up with Bowie knives, hatchets and Khukris?
>>96884367Shotgun to the face, if rotten.com is anything to go by.
>>96889651>Irrelevant, there's no vampires IRL.Peter Thiel exists.
>>96884906Aaah, no answer because no game...
>>96889651the thing got btfo by a flamethrower
>>96884335There is a show called Cop Craft that had a good take on this. The only important thing to know about the show's premise is that modern earth and a fantasy world have been joined together by a stable portal, and trade back and forth is a thing.A guy smuggling black market magical artifacts gets busted on the Earth side of the portal, and after the police impound all of his shit one of them turns out of be a contained and a vampire crawls out of it and murders as bunch of people. But this lasts about as long as it takes for the humans to figure out what the fuck happened, whats attacking them, and holy shit vampires are real thats a new one. The faerie knight from the fantasy world talks up about how inhumanly fast and hard to kill these creatures are, because their reflexes, strength and stamina/regeneration mean that the moment you're in melee with one you've basically already lost even with magical enhancements of your own because they can just hit you harder, faster, and even if you manage to hit them first it won't kill them and they eviscerate you on the counterattack even as you have them impaled with what should be a mortal wound.Now knowing what they are fighting, the police send in a swat team with night vision goggles. It rushes forward, rips a man in half with its bare hands, and then gets blasted to the ground by a shotgun. It doesn't know what guns are yet, but it sure finds out because what happens next is about a solid minute of 9 guys standing in a semicircle around it just fucking unloading bullets into this thing, reloading, and doing it again until it stops moving.Any individual bullet was not going to stop it. But, with enough repeated physical trauma keeping it from reforming, even mundane weapons can make it stay dead eventually. And then you load whats left of it into a wheelbarrow and put it outside and guard it until the sun comes up, because we're not idiots.
>>96884644>>96884680Okay, so what if the vampire ripped out their heart and just left a gaping hole there? Would they become immune to stakes?
>>96891430That might just dissolve him into mist until he regenerates
>>96884335Why would we care about this?We're either making the games we want to play, or getting our GMs to run the games we want to play.Can you tell us why this should matter to us?
>>96884335I think the main thing is that as wierd besearal creatures they are kind of unholly and wierd , so they regenerate unless the damage is a specific type (how much and with how depends on fictional setting) guns are just to small so they just ignore it.unless you use some kind of super bullet which do exist. or holly bullets.
>>96884335A fun story would be humans wiping out vampires with modern arms, only for it to lead to total ecological collapse, so they have to reintroduce vampires into the environment.
>>96884615wood bullets
>>96884335>Interesting. I've been stabbed, and I've been hanged, and I've been burned. Even broken on the rack once, but I've never been shot before. Kind of itches a little! You have quite decent aim, though. But next time...And then your vamp rips the humans heart out.More seriously, a vampire is already a corpse animated by dark powers, the usual ways to kill stuff won't make them any more dead. Staking through the heart has lost a few details over the years thanks to Hollywood, mainly that you'd decapitate the suspected vamp, bury the head at their feet, holy wafers in the mouth, and face the body chest down with a stake through the back and casket into the ground, pinning them. This either keeps them from reassembling and pulling their way free again, or you left them exposed for the sun to come up and purify the corpse of the unholy magic making it rise again. Note that beheading and dismemberment do not end the vampire, it requires further measures to prevent it pulling back together and keep it down.As to werewolves and silver bullets, thank Henri Pourrat, a French author who invented the use of melted down silver icons of the Virgin Mary as high caliber rounds, thrice blessed by a priest and used in killing the Beast of Gévaudan, a large wolf or wolf-dog hybrid believed responsible for a seriea of fatal attacks in France from 1764 to 1767, and the religious aspect was originally the important part rather than the material.
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>>96884615because the stake stays put in the vampire's heart, and there's symbolic value to driving a stake into a corpse that isn't carried by just shooting one (ask Vlad Tepes for further elaboration)>>96891430then you've just got a lich/Davy Jones (Pirates of the Caribbean) situation where yeah you're safe but only as long as you have control over wherever you hid your heart, and if there's anything people know about hearts it's that they're not easy things to control.
>>96884335https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SlWegS2sS0
>>96892911just destroy the heart? why hide it
>>96891430Yes, at least until someone finds it, as per Koshchei the Immortal folklore (who would be somewhere between vampire and lich in "modern" interpretation).
>>96884335SimpleGuns don't really do THAT much damage, they just do it in a way that's usually very lethal to life as we know it. It pierces deep, and shocks tissue along the way. But in terms of how much raw damage is being done to them, it's not much, and is pretty easy to regenerate. Wood to the heart, has a specific interaction with vampires. Everything else is overtaxing their regeneration by severing multiple pounds of body part, and pulverizing meat by the square foot.
>>96884608D&D
>>96891425To be honest, this is my favourite way to handle it. Make them as tough as an unnatural undead monster with regen should be, but not so invincible that they cannot be brought down by enough ordinance.
>>96891425Fantasy monsters with absolutely no concern about strange weapons and no caution of groups of armed people isn't any better. Obviously even a super powerful monster doesn't want to stand around surrounded by stuff it doesn't understand. Just feels like a circlejerk in the opposite direction, "what if the monster was really stupid and did the worst move possible that lets us win?"
>>96895414>>96891425this story is hilarious gun nut wank anyways, 2-3 spare magazines or a few spare shells are all any swat team is outfitted with, ignoring that, what, they coordinate their fire and reload tactics to stun lock a vampire perfectly on the first try.Its childish writing, at best, but more likely just an attempt at being edgy or irreverent
>>96884335Holes through the body are mostly bad because they go through vital organs. Organs aren't vital for a vampire, so making holes through their bodies isn't as big of a deal.
>>96890032>the thing got btfo by a flamethrowerNo it didn't. Pay attention.
>>96891425>and then gets blasted to the ground by a shotgun.If the thing is strong enough to rip people in half a shotgun shouldn't even budge it.
>>96896488Why's thaty? You think we drop nukes on bears or gorillas to kill them?
>>96896552Bears can still charge several meters even when they've already been shot and had their organs lethally punctured. You don't fall over from the blast, you fall over because you're shocked, in pain and dying. You're supposed to shoot them like at least ten meters away, not follow them into a building lolI mean imagine hunting a wild boar but it can't bleed to death. That's fucking terrifying. Suddenly heart shots are out and that's the only reliable method to kill animals like that.Now imagine it's also not dumb as a sack of bricks and isn't willing to charge into a circle of armed enemies without a next step in mind.
>>96892755>Vampire in BrooklynThat movie had no right being as good as it was.
>>96895267What system?
To me, the question is not if millitary-grade hardware can kill a vampire.The question is where the fuck you're getting it from.Plus, as everyone knows, the ATF is run by the undead. Why do you think they're so gung-ho? A sawn-off is a vampire's worst enemy.
>>96898085For me the secondary question is "how is the vampire needing anti-materiel weapons and heavier to take it down not impressive?". Seriously, if you need a rocket propelled grenade, anti-materiel riffle, etc., then you cannot call your target weak and gloat about how their powers are useless against the might of the modern firepower, since they have already proven to be stronger than the anti-personal weaponry.
>>96898151I think some of it comes down to what I call "the War of the Worlds problem" where the original has a lot of cool stuff which can't be easily translated to the modern era so people handwave it with "energy shields! interception missiles! EMP!"It's a fucking arms race of bullshit to keep up with advances where I think you'd just be better off keeping it set in the era and scope it was written in.Even the original Dracula could probably have been beaten by the Romanian army of 1897 in a straight fight, but that's entirely irrelevant to the actual story of Dracula and is something that only matters in powerscaling arguments and the world of tabletop where some clever player could contrive such a confrontation.
>>96884335>They are (almost never) still flesh and blood creaturesFTFY
>>96898194Honestly, I also think so. "The War of The Worlds" wasn't meant to be a timeless setting and had the Martians with a clear technological edge, but still bound within rough confines of the time period it's set in. Martians were meant to be to Earth's empires as the Earth's empires were to random tribes in Africa or South Asia, not some sort of fully incomprehensible horrors.And I do agree with that point about Dracula, most of the monster related horror isn't written with the assumption that the monster is taking down the military. These scenarios like Dracula vs Romanian army are indeed a topic of powerscalling talks and RPGs where players can arrange such a mess.
>>96884335Hunting vampires like that movie is too clinical and boring after one or two vampires were killed. An RPG most likely would have been the way to go or just simply burning the house down but that gets expensive budget wise and gets boring quick. Stakes or beheading is a cool fight with humans vs super humans and looks cooler on film.
>>96896473You take your time and rewatch the blood test scene
>>96895414In its defense, it has been asleep for like 200 years and has no idea where it is. It doesn't know the magic portal even exists, because that wasn't a thing when it went to bed.The first few people it attacked when it woke up were unarmed and easy prey. It sensed no magic on the swat guys, and assumed that without it they were also going to be easy to take down. It was wrong.The fantasy worlders being extremely unprepared for modern technology is a recurring theme of the world, its just as strange and new to them as magic is to us. There is a plot of an episode that is about dudes from the fantasy world robbing porn shops for their dvds and magazines, and throwing out the disks and just ripping out the images on the diskjackets/covers to smuggle back home. Because while photographs technically exist in their world, the technology never developed beyond being low-grade black and white images and are so rare as to just be a toy for rich people. So colored photographs of a pornographic nature like are commonly available on Earth are high tier luxury items they can sell for a boatload of gold back home.
>>96884335Vampires are inherently unnatural. They are weakened and defeated by elements of nature. Running water. A wooden stake. Seeds and grains. Guns, while not inherently unnatural in the same way as vampires, are not inherently natural either, therefore lack the connection to nature and the divine needed to weaken and kill a vampire.
>>96884335If you hit something hard enough it'll turn to paste, hence why just beating a Vampire repeatedly with a brick is a guaranteed kill. Just ask /k/!
>>96898365>anon missed the most crucial part of the filmSad.
>>96884378I wonder if it's the same guy who spammed gun vs magic thread with more and more restriction on the magic side every time people would tell him the magic side would always win.
>>96898365>>96898985NTA, but I just watched The Thing for the first time on Halloween so let me see if I used my eyeballs correctly or not:>The Thing is fundamentally an ambush predator, and strikes when isolated with a target. It only reveals itself in groups when interrupted, like with handsman, or caught out like with the blood test. The defib scene is an exception and I'm still considering that one. My best guess is that the guy it was mimicking really did have a heart attack and it was making the best of a bad situation.>When it's caught with the dogs, handsman, defib, and during the test it loses to flamethrowers. Even when the flamethrowers jam or people hesitate the thing fails to capitalize and loses to flamethrowers. It only succeeds against armed and alert men in the basement when it can catch them alone, and in the test scene where it bumrushes and headbites that one guy>In anywhere with more biomass than fucking Antarctica The Thing probably wins without even the slightest contest, on the assumption that it can assimilate plants and insects which the film seems to indicate it can when they're mentioning even food being potentially contaminated.Let me know your takes, I enjoyed it greatly and like how much it can lead to thinking while still being clear-cut enough to not be a bullshit mystery box.
>>96899115The important thing to remember is that every thing cell/cluster can and does act independently when pressed to it. This is why the blood test works, the blood cells try to escape and survive.In the defib scene, they mimicked the heart condition, but then the chest opens up and eats that guys hands off because it registers the defib attempt *as an attack* and responds accordingly. The shock is meant to restart the guys heart, but the Thing cells just knew that they had been hurt and lashed out. As for why the recreated the heart condition, that because the thing cells replace their host one at a time, and immediately assume the function and position of what they replaced. The original heart muscle they replaced had defective structure to it, and they preserved that even as they replaced it because thats what they do.This leads into the most dangerous and insidious nature of The Thing: any amount of exposure can lead to you being converted, and its ambiguous whether a host even *knows* that they have been replaced by The Thing. A single drop of blood on you or a shared glass can infect you with some cells, that then spread and convert your biology without revealing themselves over the course of hours or days. At what point does your body become aware that it is being converted? Never. It doesn't. The consciousness of the host is not being mimicked by the Thing, its real. All of the brain cells that make that person who they are have been replaced peicemeal, ship of theseus style, such that there was never a break in continuity of consciousness.Right up until the Thing decides its no longer beneficial to keep pretending to be this person, those brain cells convert into something else, and your consciousness stops.
>>96899192That does explain the screaming beyond just shock value if you think the constituent parts are aware they're being erased.I do wonder how the thing is directing the actions of those it has converted though, since we see un-revealed people doing its bidding like constructing the spaceship and burning glasses guy (on the assumption he didn't burn himeself)Where exactly the consciousness of the thing lives is another question, best guess would be distributed throughout each individual cell? That explains why the smaller bits lack the planning to do anything except squirm away or headspider instead of doing something more strategic.
>>96899228While not canon to the film, there is a fascinating short story written from the perspective of The Thing worth reading.https://clarkesworldmagazine.com/watts_01_10/
>>96899288Cool
>>96899115Look at who's got visible breath in the final scene.
>>96898340It also gets messy if your intel was bad and you just burned down a crack house instead of a haven of undead.
>>96899976It's a win either way.
>>96899719Both of them if you have a proper level of brightness on your tv since the whole point of the scene is that there aren't any tells
Not OP, but related question:Why doesn't shooting a vampire in the heart do the same thing as staking him?
>>96902442Because vampire is already dead and animated by unholy magic in its heart, not neurons in its brain, head trauma can't incapacitate it unless you blow the whole skull and everything inside clean off.
>>96902442Shooting a vampire in the heart is just as useless as staking them when they're up and about; the point of the stake was to pin them, either in their coffin forever or somewhere exposed to the sun at dawn. Hollywood is just full of morons who thought a mere stabbing with a large splinter was enough to stop a walking corpse.
>>96884615Stake doesn't kill vampire. Stake pin vampire in coffin. Vampire stuck in coffin, vampire not able spread tuberculosis. Decapitate vampire, bury head at crossroads, burn body, spread ashes different crossroads,vampire come back, long after you dead, not your problem.Can not kill dead thing, only pass problem to future generations. Fuck descendants, whiny brats alive while you burn in helll for pick wrong flavor of right faith to be born into. Give church money. Church God, God need money. Money God, give money, money money money.
>>96899976Any vampire hunter worth their weight in silver knows that monsters don't count, so why shed tears over dead niggers?
>>96884383Since they're magically animated, it's hard to say. I would assume the idea is a vampire still has an attachment to how his physical form in life still worked, but some parts don't behave like they would for the living. It's been mentioned piercing organs doesn't matter because you're shooting a corpse, but would severing muscles stop locomotion? Would destroying a brain stop thoughts?Most likely it would have to be codified to vampires in your own setting. There are examples of undead like risen skeletons that don't need muscles to move or brains to "think", but vampires don't seem to be like that in most media. Perhaps make your own rules as to why or why not something would hurt them.
>>96902579If the poin were to nail him, why not just seal the coffin? Why does it have to be through the heart? Not to mention it's an awful method of pinning someone, you should use steel instead. The idea is to pierce the heart with an ash stake; symbolically destroying the core of life.
>>96904511NTA but imodern vampire lore is a mishmash of different sources with different reasons and meaning for similar actions.Depending on the source it can be symbolic (ash stake destroying the core and such), more practical (literally pinning the vampire to the ground/its coffin), or sometimes it's a bit in-between. Some cultures thought that puncturing the body meant that whatever evil was reanimating it would leak back out of the hole when trying to make the body rise. Some used a big-ass stake, potentially combining it with one of the previous two reasons, and sometimes it could be as subtle as just a needle, though usually then it leaned more to the symbolic side, with the needle itself being some kind of "pure" object, made of a specific material like silver and/or blessed by the local religious authority. You know, the usual.Worth noting is that one of the "tells" of a vampire was that the corpse had a bloated stomach "from all the blood/life force it has consumed". But really it's because of trapped gasses from decomposition, so puncturing the body would let them out, the corpse doesn't swell up, and the vampire is "defeated". Especially if done preemptively when burying someone who was suspected of being likely to rise as a vampire due to the circumstances of their life and/or death.
>>96902442On D&D, vampires are rendered inert while the stake is in place, then you finish him off with sunlight, beheading, running water etc. If you just cause him damage, he reverts to mist, returns to his coffin with dirt from his grave on it, and regenerates within the day.If you just leave the stake on, as far as I recall, he's back in business. Since the bullet just goes through, it won't do much good.
>>96904897*he's back in business as soon as it is removed
>>96902442Because like it has been explained to OP 40 times through his shit thread, vampires are supernatural beings and work on a different logic. Something that guntards seem unable to understand.
