first for fuck root

inside every board gamer there are two fuck roots
one is angry
one is horny

Name the best abstracts that have tons of depth. I would like something that is not Chess, Go, Shogi etc.

>>96899623
may I suggest to you the entire repertoire of one Reiner Knizia?

Arcs > Ahoy > Oath > POWERGAP > Vast > Root

>>96899392
>Worst card size?
One that's slightly bigger than the closest sleeve size. bonus points for next size being much larger and cards wearing down super fast if left unsleeved

>>96899631
>Knizia
>abstracts

>>96899623
i played Sol the other day with a guy who kept saying the theme was way too abstract and did nothing for him

>meeples
yah
>minis
eh
>standees
leave now

>>96899705
His tile laying games (T&E, Babylonia, Samurai) are somewhat abstract, not in the "le theme isn't there" sense but the "chess-like" meaning of the word

Thanks for baking, OP. I fell asleep before making the new one

>>96899623
Yinsh, tak, booop

>>96899392
>Favorite dexterity games?
I really like Menara.
>Favorite board game related Canadian?
Adrian Adamescu
>Worst card size?
7 wonders size. No idea what they call it but I despise it.
>>96899623
I feel like some of the GIPF games might be what you're looking for
>>96899846
I agree with the sentiment. A lot of the doctor's games feel abstract even if they aren't. May I suggest through the desert?
>>96899713
This looks interesting. QRD?
>>96899729
Correct opinion, and I'll add. Cardboard standees > Acrylic standees

>>96899729
cubes?

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What are your favorite 2-player games that usually take no longer than 30 mins?

Air, Land, & Sea has been my fav (in this class) for a long time now. Recently been enjoying Duel for Cardia and Leaders a lot. Fantastic games. Both are on bga so check them out.

>>96899729
ok, i'll play BattleCON with someone else then

>>96899729
Standees>minis
Because I can't be bothered to fucking paint, so at least they're not a sea of grey. Also the jews don't inflate the price as much as for minis

>>96898621
Here's the Blade Rondo stuff I've got. Hope it's what you're looking for.
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You gotta pick 3 games for a board game night with 4 players. One light weight, one medium weight, one heavy weight. What 3 games do you pick?

>>96900085
Which one is better, War Chest or The Duke?

>>96900055
each player has a mothership orbiting the dying sun. everyone needs to harness momentum by building stations within the sun that can extract energy and convert it into momentum with the goal of achieving an escape velocity to save a small portion of your population. the funniest thing to me about the theme is that mechanically to outrun the sun you just need to run faster than your buddies
you release little workers from your mothership and move them into formations to convert into stations and gates that allow access into deeper layers of the sun. everything has an energy cost, but there is also instability inherent to each layer of the sun. this is represented by drawing cards when building or activating stations. these cards contain special abilities, but also randomly trigger solar flares that advance towards the end of the game and cut in half the energy stocks of players who accumulated too much
the game is cool because players can activate each other's infrastructure. planning around when your mothership will be close to certain areas and getting your little worker ships onto a number of matching buildings in order to maximize efficiency by activating them all at the same time is really satisfying

Imagine writing this much text >>96900382 and leaving out the central gimmick.

>>96900055
Your home base moves around in an orbit. Your old infrastructure becomes impractical to use once you get too far away from it, which is the main motivation to use your opponent's stuff.

>>96900382
>>96900484
shit, that sounds pretty good. Thanks, will have to check it out

>>96900234
Without having played the duke, War chest is really an excellent game

>>96900085
Toy battle and Castle combo are 2 great games that aren't in the graphic

>>96900085
Jaipur
Battle Line

>>96900222
this again?
7 wonders
brian boru
the great zimbabwe

>>96900484
i mentioned the orbiting.. didn't emphasize it enough though, thanks for making it clear

>>96900085
You put toy battle in that image RIGHT NOW

I'm trying to keep my collection lean. I'm considering getting TM: Ares Expedition, but do I really need it if I have San Juan pre-ordered? I'm considering it in cases we want to get TM on the table but don't have time or mental capacity to play it at certain times.

>>96902406
No
Ares Expedition sucks
If san juan isn't enough to satisfy your needs for games with "pick something that everyone does but you do better" phases, get Race for the galaxy, not the bastardized version (TM ares) of a game that's already mediocre in its original version (TM)

>>96900222
Assuming a 90min max for each game to be able to get them in.

>light
Era: Medieval Age
>medium
Arnak
>heavy
Yokohama

Arnak at 90 min might be a stretch.

>>96903100
I've seen people fail to finish Lost Ruins of Arnak in a 5 hour session.

>>96900047
>>96899623
I came here to make this post

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>>96901578
>Battle Line
>no schotten totten cards
uh oh

>>96900085
>neuoshima hex
I stumbled into this while looking for polish games. is it good?

>>96903141
How are people this retarded?

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>>96899623
homeworlds

>>96900222
Medium = navegador
Heavy = imperial steam
Light = codenames duet with deep undercover cards

I put the light game last because that's what I'd play with my big tiddy waifu after game night was over, but before bed

>>96903448
>Imperial Steam
Do you find the sausage is worth the squeeze? I bought it purely to strip for components, but if it's actually fun relative to its immensely irritating looking setup I will declare a moratorium.

Tried to play StS with my gf and she couldn't grasp we're playing together against the game and never against each other. We had to stop after the first battle because it was too much for her to handle and she wanted to know everything about the rules first before going in and exploring the game. I love my tard gf.

>>96903973
>playing with women

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>>96903981
>women are stupid and I don't respect them
>that's right, I just have sex with them

>>96903973
Based. You don't know how good it is with your tard gf until you lose your tard gf

>>96903973
i'm going to try targeting my Defect player with Corpse Explosion next time they don't carry their weight

>>96903973
>Hates 'learn as we go' style of teach
>Intuits the inherent flaw of cooperative boardgames
That's actually pretty based tbqh

>>96904083
Well that's a blast from the past. Good to see you are still lurking around anon. How's your wife and kids?

>>96900085
I would add Radlands but it happened often that a game went closer to 45 minutes or even longer.

I love Root but hate how underpowered they made Crows, Lizards and Cats. How did they get past playtesting with that terrible balance.

>>96904391
>Nooooo don't attack me, I'm weak
>You should REALLY attack him, he's in the winning position!
>This gains me much less, what will you give me for it?
>How about FUCK ALL since that faggot wehrle actively decided against tradeable anything
This is roots balance as intended

>>96904454
they like root only because of le cute animals and graphics

>>96904391
What the other anon said. Root's balance is LITERALLY
>the players should balance the game
according to Wehrle. So if you think your faction is too weak, you should be """negotiating""" with others to attack the strongest one.

>>96904486
Nah, I actually think wehrle is quite an interesting designer, just like how root is a cool thing in theory. You read the rulebook and go yeah this seems awesome, then you play it and notice how the game itself gives you no tools to mitigate the king of the hill style game that ensues. Which is especially bad because some factions snowball by design and/or need to be kneecapped as to not explode, but at the same time disincentivises others from attacking them. The result is a metagame contest of whining and underselling your own position and I find this immensely exhausting and unstatisfying. I guess some people like just that, but even pure negotiation games like santiago or chinatown usually have some exchangable resource.

>>96904723
If I wanted a negotiation game I would play Sidereal Confluence instead, not Risk with some retarded metagame mixed in

>>96904723
It's interesting if you don't know what COIN games are. If you do, you understand that it's a COIN with half of the design ripped out to make it more marketable and easy to expand with factions, since there's no intrinsic interconnectedness between how the players achieve victory.

The game would be a complete flop if not for the art and everyone knows it.

>>96899623
Quarto, Quoridor, Harmonies and Onitama

>>96904661
worm conduct

>>96904391
Cats are not weak, you got almost all the territory to start with so play defence in depth. Focus on sawmills and recruiters, use your hospitals, and be too difficult of a target to profit off of.
But other than that yeah, I agree, there is not much balance, not even in Advanced Setup the supposedluly "competitive" variant.

>>96905045
Onitama is pretty good

>>96905452
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>>96905045

>>96905837
I don't plays games to writhe in the dirt

>>96905884
i'm so confused

>>96905957
tiny annelidic donut brain

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I've seen Saashi & Saashi's games online and always been charmed by their quaint themes and art style. I've read/watched reviews for them and they seem like fun lightweight affairs, but I've never pulled the trigger on buying any as they're always out of stock or price gouged to hell.
However, my FLGS just got a copy of Come Sail Away so this could finally be my chance.

Is CSA a good Saashi & Saashi game? It seems popular, but I'm wondering if that's solely because this is his first game that is actually getting good distribution without being altered like Get on Board was.
Should I hold out for another S&S game instead?

>>96904454
>>96904661
>>96904723
I also generally like Werhle's game design, but yeah Root is his worst. It just so happens to be rather small and cheap (relatively), and has great art so it sells like crazy.

My LGS has told me Root is a game they can't keep on shelves relative to any other title. They'll order 15 copies of Root and its gone in 2-3 weeks STILL. I live in the midwest and not in a big city so that's saying something about how powerful the art is.

>>96906359
I'm in favor of you putting your money on the line so we can at least have one person knowledgeable about S&S in this thread.

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I recently started playing Leaders and really like it. In order to get better at the game I've been trying my "skills" at the puzzles from the official website. I can't seem to solve pic related. Anyone here who also plays it and can tell me the solution? Black player's turn.

>>96906496
I am stupid... I just solved it. For some reason I thought the nemesis belonged to the black player lol

>>96906496
I don't know what the fuck this is and do not wish to find out.

>*picks Helena Richese*
nice worker placement game, bro

>>96906392
Werhle is at his best when he isn't trying to make something that has broad appeal. His historicals are excellent, but everything with Leder has some kind of massive issue (especially Root and Oath).

>>96906878
Ahoy is fun as fuck, but I'll admit, having 2 of the factions be the same (shit) and making you buy expansions is very gay.

>>96906886
Ahoy isn't his game, that's a Ledergame with Kyle art

>>96906878
I also agree, Pax Pamir and John Company are great. I like Oath but finding out that they also have the expansion basically being a 2.0 is crazy.

New edition of Tigris & Euphrates coming out in 2026 by 25th century games

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/3605088/tigris-and-euphrates-reprint-announced-by-reiner-k

Eat shit, kowalskifags.

>>96905045
Harmonies is not an abstract game

>>96906900
You're right, my bad, I was just thinking Leder, not Leder+Wehrle.

How is Molly House, would you count that as an excellent game of his? The concept sounds interesting, but I'm not too sure about the gameplay.

>>96906913
It could be the greatest game ever but I'm not going to play a game where the goal is trying to get fucked in the ass (literally)

I think theming of a game is important, but it just feels its in bad taste. It's like the strip club board game, like you made a medium weight game for what is really only going to be played at bachelorette parties? Very weird theme.

>>96906901
Thanks for the heads-up, might sell my Mayfair copy before this becomes widely known.

>>96906967
The goal is to live as a gayer in a time and place it was forbidden, and find happiness and fulfilment while trying not to get killed. I guess arsefucking is a part of that, but not necessarily the whole goal. Not surprised this is the response though.

>>96906913
NTA but I didn't like the game play. You need to collaborate with your opponents to score points but there aren't binding deals, so attempting to score points is unpleasant. It's a roll-and-move game and the outcome of the dice has a huge impact on your options, especially when it comes to the limited supply of items on the board. The traitor mechanism also falls flat because it's in your interest to close gay bars other players have committed to even if you're not a traitor.

>>96906913
>>96906991
I feel like it's a game that would be more interesting if there was a bit more roleplaying in it, and it wasn't just about trying to score points and do the most advantageous thing. But there is just not enough to grab on to to encourage and incentivise that roleplaying.

>>96906359
It's a good game, yes. One of his best. A video should easily explain how it plays. See if you like it.

>>96906913
if you can't help but think about taking cocks in the ass while playing a boardgame then you're the gay one, no need to blame the "theme"

>>96906986
To be fair the hobby is filled with soys, it probably wont have a negative reaction like I have. However, I just don't think I can pitch it to people without sounding like a freak

'hey guys its a historical game about trying to be the gayest at the table whos interested'

>>96906901
cool, I won't have to get one of the knockoffs

>>96907039
>'hey guys its a historical game about trying to be the gayest at the table whos interested'
No one in my group is gay but I know that sales pitch would get this to the table.

Too bad the gameplay sounds miserable.

>>96907030
>board game is about faggots doing faggot things
>anon spergs out that someone doesn't like the theme and makes fun of it
>calls them gay
What kind of mental illness is this? Is it one that's been removed from the DSM a few decades ago?

>>96906913
>A game about faggots and pedophiles
Who thought this was a good idea?? Worst theme I've ever heard of lmao

>>96906986
>I guess arsefucking is a part of that, but not necessarily the whole goal.
It's literally the whole goal of being a faggot. That and/or dicksucking. Somehow it doesn't occur to homos that men have been having platonic relationships between each other that are deeper than they have with women since the beginning of recorded history.

>>96907082
Crowdfunding starts in 2026. You're not getting that game until 2027.

>>96899392
>Favorite dexterity games?
Crokinole is the king and the only dexterity game in the bgg top 100
>Favorite board game related Canadian?
Shobu is a Canadian game. Really good abstract. If you mean designers then I don't know.
>Worst card size?
Mini euro maybe idk. Also those dixit size cards can be annoying for other games.

>>96907164
No more than the whole goal of being straight is to fuck. Queermos have just as rich interior worlds as us normies.

>>96907218
No they don't. Have you talked to them? They are porn brained freaks who think about sex all the time. Degenerate goblins.

>>96907218
Yes more. Straight people have to deal with women to perpetuate civilisation. Faggotry is pure hedonism. I'm a hedonist myself so I'm not judging on that, let's just be honest about it.

>faggots arguing about faggotry
never change, 4chan

>>96907218
Nta anon but queer people very much define themselves through their sexuality. Their whole fucking "culture" is named after it

>>96907400
>>96907227
I do sort of agree, I prefer gays who are more low-key about it, but I can't really blame them if they are not. If something intrinsic to who I am was criminalised for centuries, you'd better believe I'd go a bit nuts about it when it was finally a bit more doable in public. But the one gay guy I play board games with regularly is cool, he's no more of a coomer than the rest of us, we all make lol 69 jokes when anyone scores that, he comments on hot guys on cards same as we comment on big tiddy girls on cards.

I mean, come on, do you think regular men are not coom brained? Every job I had up until about 30, whenever there was a boys' night out, we'd at some point talk about who the most fuckable woman in the office was. Even now I look at women on the street and think about banging them.

>>96907246
Going through life being unable to like and respect women must be fucking miserable.

>>96907218
Equivalently conspicuous heterosexuality is like a frat bro at a party school. Similar with liberal racial minorities and 4chan racists on obsession with that.

Imagine being mad about gays

>>96907476
>something intrinsic to who I am was criminalised for centuries,
I'm not going to pretend to care
Do you think I'm some hundred year old mummy?

>>96906734
Damn, why so negative?

>>96904454
Kemet solved half the problems of root. If some guy is doing well, you're actually rewarded for targeting him, because getting his temples not only means you deny him a point, but that you get a point for yourself. And with only 12 units, it's not easy to keep control over large areas of the map, you can't as easily dominate.

>>96907657
looks pretty gay not gonna lie son

6 Wonders

>>96907476
>Going through life being unable to like and respect women must be fucking miserable.
I like individual women just fine in limited contexts, but going through life watching the end game of feminism is indeed fucking miserable. And if you think more than 5% of men would associate with women at all if it wasn't a biological imperative you are delusional.

Bringing it back to Molly House, Wherle should retheme it to be about men's sheds where normal men try to escape their shrill wives but the women infiltrate and ruin them by nagging themselves into it (real phenomenon, look it up). Would be much more relatable.

>>96907812
end game of feminism, lmao, you fucking loser, off yourself.

>>96907017
I've watched videos on it and it does look fun. I just wanted to source some opinions from anons here to see what they thought as well. Never hurts and sometimes video reviews are overly hyped or their playtime is so limited that they don't realize (or gloss over) issues that rear their head after repeat plays.
Nevertheless, I think I'll go for it. I have have some dosh left on a gift card anyway so that'll take a bite out of the price and at worst I can sell it off to recoup my losses.
>One of his best
That implies you've played other S&S games. I'm very curious to hear your thoughts on others if you're willing to share.

>>96907838
>redditor lashes out at the startling realisation he'd want nothing to do with his hambeast of a gf if it wasn't for her gash
Many such cases.

>>96907939
>virgin lashes out at girls existing
It's not that hard to get laid anon.

>>96907974
Who's resorting to personal insults here, exactly?

>>96908001
I don't know, I'm just telling you you might be scared of girls since high school, but it's not really hard to get laid. I believe in you man.

>>96908027
I think you are barking up the wrong tree and might be lost in general. Yiu can't farm karma here.

>>96908045
Hey, if we can get you to lose your virginity, that's all the karma I need, kid

guys are crokinole disks oval-shaped? i fear i've been bamboozled

>>96906913
I don't think that is his game. He's just a consultant.

>>96908161
Robbed blind I'm afraid
>>96906906
The mechanism is pretty divorced from the theme.

>>96908193
>The mechanism is pretty divorced from the theme.
not the anon you're replying to but that's not what makes a board game "abstract" otherwise almost all euros would be "abstract"...
It also has to be, for a lack of a better word, somewhat "chess-like", so a game where you make moves taking into account what your opponent(s) do
Harmonies is pretty high on the MPS scale, that alone makes it not an abstract boardgame

>>96908193
>The mechanism is pretty divorced from the theme.
This is one of those things that the general board gamer population seems utterly retarded about. Why do people get excited about the superficial sugar coating of nature art on this or that and then call Tigris & Euphrates abstract?

>>96908193
circles are a subset of ovals
so >>96908161 yes

What's the appeal of SETI?

>>96908309
I frequently get into dumb arguments when I talk.about a game's mechanics to someone and they think I'm talking about the game's components

>>96908252
That is exactly what makes a game abstract and yes most euros are extremely abstract, with maybe one or two gimmicks that make any thematic machanical sense.

>>96908368
Ayy lmao eh

>>96908368
It is a polished, efficiency-maxing MPS with good art.
That's it.
If you like efficiency-maxing MPS, you've likely gotten tired of the old FOTM, Terraforming Mars, and will be willing to pay for a similar game that looks different.

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>>96908309
because in a vacuum when discussing board games they're unable to talk about the mechanics themselves so they talk about superficial things like the theme and art even though while playing they're not relevant at all if not for the first 5 minutes of a game
see also the ones screeching about molly house's "theme" apparently involving taking dicks in the ass even though when you sit down at the table what you see is something that looks like a Monopoly board
>>96908374
no, see pic related, the relevancy or not of the "theme" isn't the SOLE characteristic of "abstract" games, "abstract" isn't just an adjective, it's a genre

>>96908401
sent the post too early but to further elaborate on Harmonies not being an abstract game
>no random elements like dice rolls or card draws
there's a row of animal cards to choose from and one is drawn from the deck to replenish when one is picked
there's 5 dishes of 3 tiles each to choose from and they're replenished from the bag when one is picked
>simple rules, deep strategy
there's no player interaction besides maybe taking the set of tiles or the card somebody may have wanted but new ones become available right away anyway
in short it's not an abstract board game because there's a decent amount of rng involved and it's a MPS

>>96908368
The big thing in the center that spins around.

>>96908368
Coprophilia.
>>96908401
Those others are features of combinatorial games. Abstract is just an adjective for the first part. You're just familiar with using it metonymically.

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>>96908388
I only played it a couple of times but I liked TM. The card play and engine building was satisfying enough. Ark nova and Seti don't do it for me. Maybe because they are more tight? Usually I like that in games but for these... It just feels like the game gets dragged out.

>>96908380
Many games with ayy lmaos. Besides they're not that interesting either. A slight variation in gameplay.

>>96908553
finally.... it's here.....

>>96908401
>outsourcing your thinking to chatgpt
Consider suicide.

>96908755
I already know what an abstract game is you dumbass, that definition is as good as any
but why am I even replying, if the screenshot was from bgg you'd just say
>outsourcing your thinking to the gulag
instead anyway

>>96908193
>The mechanism is pretty divorced from the theme.
Retard.
>>96908252
This guy gets it
>>96908374
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>96908755
If I ask ChatGPT to think aboit that for menwill I end up on a list?

>>96909388
You're probably already on a list. Don't think about it too much.

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They finally added Mrs. Doubtfire to Arkham Horror lcg