>running campaign on roll20 using discord for voice>campaign ends, want to start running new campaign in different system>only one player, a long time friend, is interested>okay I'll recruit new players>see "Sarah" among potential recruits>"Sarah" introduces self as "transgirl">intothetrashitgoes.png>don't get a lot of recruits and 2/3 invited are no shows>it's alright, I'll make do but still keep an eye out for new players>the one new player seems a little dumb, and started getting weirdly pushy>says he has a schedule issue for the first session of actual play, so we start earlier>"wow guys we should start at this time every session">before I can discuss this with my old friend, new guy sets up a weekly discord event (which I didn't even know you could do without being a moderator)>it's the earlier time>anyways>mention that it's cool to invite any interested friends if you have any>new guy invites a friend in over discord>let them into the game>it's "Sarah">old friend isn't based enough to hate fags, so kicking it out just for being a tranny isn't an optionI figure the tranny problem will solve itself quickly enough. If it doesn't commit an hero, it'll either flake or create enough drama that I'll be justified in giving it the boot. My real problem is the other new player. Either:>A) He thinks I'm too dumb to invite recruits who didn't make the first cut on my own, while also himself being too stupid to realize that maybe there's a reason they didn't make the cut.>B) Has figured out why I didn't recruit it in the first place and has decided to actively deceive me and subvert my authority as GM by tricking me into letting this tranny fag into the game.What should I do about this?
I've had many trans players over the years. They tend to be really good RPers and often good at gameplay too.
>>96913642Nice blog 6/7
>>96913642Post screenshot of your campaign or discord or this didn't happen.
>>96913642I dunno anon, it sounds to me like you're throwing a fit over nothing. The only trans person I've ever played with, across my 20 years of gaming, was awesome as fuck. It'll probably work out!
>>96913650>tend to be really good RPersComes with experience, they practice pretending to be somebody else every single day.
>>96913642You sound like a fag, OP
>>96913642What System.I need to gague how fucked this is gonna be.I'll let everyone else call you a fag or not a fag but I need to know what the system is you're running because this sounds like a Call game or something similar.
>>96913642i happened on trannies that were vocal about the fact in discord games only twice, both times they were flakes but otherwise caused no issues, my two anecdotes with against your one, this is clearly a you problemanyway the thing you should do is the same for any other player, not give a shit untill they start causing actual issues while weeding out the boring ones between campaigns
>>96913728Savage Worlds, more specifically Deadlands: Hell On Earth.>>96913691Okay.
>>96913642So you've had your authority as a GM overulled by a new player who is now deciding when you play and who plays, and you couldn't put up any response on your own initiative, instead having come to an anonymous Mongolian horse breeding forum to beg for help?I'm sorry, but you have already allowed yourself to be put into a state of total submission to the fags, both practically and spiritually.
>>96913642tl;dr, but none of this happened anyway
>>96913777DEADLANDS, and in the Apocalypse setting.Let it ride for about 2 months then start running NPC Comanchie who are out for scalps encounters. Always make sure the top 3 Scalpers are Wildcards.
>>96913642>hates trans people>is too much of a faggot to properly assert himself when schedulingGlass houses, seethelord
>>96913865Interesting. Why 3 specifically?
>>96913777>roll20>worse, paid for roll20 pro>critical drinker youtube tabs>all on fucking google chrome
>>96913894using google chrome is definitely the worst offense>tfw you're sharing a website with google zombies
>>96913882Because in large groups of people there's normally a hierarchy of the 3 best people who are tight as fuck. Plus because it's deadlands you can take the 3 thing in interesting directions. Plus any group that has 3 leaders is normally large enough to actually get the fucking scalps. And besides if the characters actually beat the fuckers in a shoot out, reward them with some bounty money.
>>96913642>t. failed malekys
>>96913774this. why do you give a fuck if a player is taking estrogen or dresses in skirts? it's a fucking elfgame
>>96913642>running a ttrpg onlineThat's your problem there, if you can't have an irl game involving your close friends for whatever reason just move to another type of activity. Less headaches to deal with.
>>96913704came here to post exactly this, you absolute legend.
>>96913704Oldfags? On my /tg/?
>>96913911>Because in large groups of people there's normally a hierarchy of the 3 best people who are tight as fuck.Good tip, I'll try to remember that one.>>96913894>>96913905You know, I really haven't paid attention to browsers for the last 10 years. What's a good one to use these days?
>>96913650They larp 24/7 so get tons of practice, while your average straight nerd can't even pretend to care about hygiene. It should be an easy choice?>>96913642He/she/it wants to game with you online, not fuck you. Why do you care what's between their legs?
>>96913939I'm on firefox. Works well with its many addons.
>>96913894Lets not forget:>Retarded enough to post an actual screenshot on 4chan just to prove themselves to an anon.The Critical Drinker tabs are proof enough that OP is the problem.
>>96913939Don't forget the Symbolism. Can't Forget the Symbolism.
>>96913924>if you can't have an irl game involving your close friends for whatever reason just move to another type of activityIn spite of the good experiences I've had online, I suppose that really is the problem.>>96913942I could just as easily could ask why someone would choose to reveal that they're so heavily invested in their own delusion that they'd mutilate themselves and then expect everyone else to play along.
>>96914062You know that most trans people don't even get sex reassignment surgery, right?And honestly she probably said that because she was worried if she told you later, you'd do exactly what you are doing now--sperging out.
>>96914062>I could just as easily could ask why someone would choose to reveal that they're so heavily invested in their own delusion that they'd mutilate themselves and then expect everyone else to play along.If you're willing to game with strangers on the internet you're already so far removed from my own preferences and experience that a little self delusion about sexuality won't really matter. Besides, as >>96914069 says, they don't always get surgery. They might just mean crossdressing or wigs and makeup, which you really shouldn't care about for players in a game of pretend.
>>96914069>You know that most trans people don't even get sex reassignment surgery, right?Oh yeah, the ones who fake it to get attention, clout or just to feel like a special snowflake. Not a fan of that mindset either.
>>96913642>roll20>discord>voiceSo you hate yourself or what?
>running campaign on roll20Stopped reading there.
>>96914069So they can't even be bothered to put in the effort to pretend? lol
>>96913777jesus christ that site design is eye-bleedingly atrocious
>>96913911Do you have any evidence at all to support this claim?
>>96914283Anictdotal Evidence and Vibes.
>>96914298You could have just said no.
>>96914215>Not a fan of that mindset eitherwell then you're gonna have to learn to agree to disagree with some people, aren't you
>>96914299but I didn't. for a reason.
>>96914309Because you're retarded, I know.
You sound like a faggot whose either intimidated or secretly lustful over chicks with dicks.
You sound like a faggot whose either intimidated or secretly lustful over slime molds and spiders.
>>96914302No he literally doesn't. He's not compelled to let people like that play his games.
>>96914466>He's not compelledthen there was never a problem
>>96914509Yeah there is, we haven't rounded you up into camps yet
>>96914525who? everyone who disagrees with you? everyone who's different than you? what does that even accomplish?point is, if he's compelled then he can learn to deal with other people, if he isn't then it isn't a problem because you can just not play with people you don't want toit's a non-issue and there's no point to circling it like there's any substance to any of it
>>96914552The point is killing you, retard
>>96914252Yeah, maybe a little.This thread has been making me think about my life. Maybe I should've kept in touch with the people I was friends with in high school and university. Maybe we could've been lifelong friends if only I had put in the effort. Maybe in my habit of never socializing outside of school hours, I was condemning myself to never form any really meaningful friendships. Maybe real friendship is what I have with the guys who I run into at the bar. Maybe I should try asking them to see if any of them would be into my nerd shit.Maybe I should leave all this online stuff behind me and only interact with people in person from now on. It'd suck leaving my old friend behind, I've been playing with him for 7 years minus a few weeks. But I'm not confident I can give the tranny the boot without ruining that friendship in the process. It'd be better if we just parted as friends.Maybe I should just rot alone. People are always so complicated.>>96914302No, I don't think I will.
>>96914562I don't have anything to do with any of this so that wouldn't accomplish anything
>>96914579If you're not killing trannies you're part of the problem. Always kill a traitor before an enemy.
>>96914590>Always kill a traitor before an enemywho is being betrayed exactly?>>96914571>Maybe I should just rot alone>No, I don't think I willeveryone is alien to one another and nobody is going to think the same things you do about everything. part of life is learning to deal with people who have different beliefs than you do, even if you were to live in some idyllic monoculture that lives in your mindlow-stakes interactions like ttrpg's are good for this but if that seems like too much pressure to be in charge of, then something more casual like playing board games with people irl sounds like it'd probably be better for you
>>96914644All humans, ie. anyone who isn't a troon or a troonlover.
>>96914658They are factually humans. You can not like them, sure, but saying they aren't a human is the exact same fantasy as a man saying they're a woman, you just think yours should be true and not theirs. What makes them different?
>>96914690no they're not fag and neither are you
>>96914700Right but how? Also, if they're traitors but not humans then who are the enemy you mentioned earlier? What eldritch enemy is beyond even those who've apparently shed their mortal bindings?
>>96914729it's not an argument, I'm just going to kill you
>>96914644Yeah, no. I've already seen where that sort of "tolerance" leads, and I'm not interested in that dystopian future.
>>96914690Imagine if some aliums actually intercepted Pioneer probe with description of what mankind is and where we are located, decided to come check us out and see what's going on nowadays...
>>96914757>it's not an argumentwell then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree>I'm just going to kill youhave fun squinting at your computer screen. I'm sure that'll get me eventually
>>96914784Nope, I'm outside your house right now.
>>96913642Your campaign will implode the minute your politics get involved. 90% of modern TTRPG players are fine with the LGBT and we have a disproportionate amount of players who are LGBT in that 90%. The best GM I've ever had was a trans woman, but as an ex-Kiwi I can fully understand your hesitation though because it's unfortunately true that AGPs ruin fucking everything
>>96913777>self dox>on MY /tg/AHAHAHAHA
>>96914788I ain't stopping you, take the shot>>96914782on our end we aren't really different at all, but are there any settings where the pioneer probe was actually what led to first contact?>>96914771>I've already seen where that sort of "tolerance" leadsDo you really think this is an appropriate response to "you have to learn to deal with other people being different than you?" It doesn't matter whether or not you want to or whether I'm talking about someone with different political or religious beliefs or whatever, you really do have to learn to cooexist with people who are very different from you or any social interaction is going to be a nightmare because EVERYONE is very different from you in some way.>I'm not interested in that dystopian futurewell we're all stuck in the same dystopian future and I don't know why you'd think tolerance of all things is responsible for it.
>>96914788I shidded on the doorstep, watch out
>>96913642>What should I do about this?Your first mistake was this>running campaign on roll20so not doing that anymore would be a good start
>>96914782Huh, I wonder why those two images were chosen to represent humans? I guess it must represent something fundamental about us, that can't be changed and isn't subject to interpretation.
>>96914896This is his mother, a couple of strange Russian men just broke into our home and abducted my son. They're currently holding me at gunpoint and making me write this. Please don't cross the person he replied to, for your own sake.
>>96914984Ðй, мы жe бeлopycÑ‹.
>>96914896>Do you really think this is an appropriate response to "you have to learn to deal with other people being different than you?"Absolutely. For my entire life, the fact that I don't think like other people has been made abundantly and painfully clear to me, and I've had to learn to deal with it. I'm already tolerant enough. But this is where I draw a line. I will not be gaslit into accepting someone else's delusion.
>>96915100>I will not be gaslit into acceptingThen don't. That's what I'm saying. Tolerance isn't believing in the same thing as the person you're interacting with, it's dealing with it. You're really hung up on gender shit so imagine it was literally anything else. Instead of having a guy ask you to refer to him as a girl, imagine you have a friend Steve who wants you to call him Kyle. You know his name is not Kyle and it is, in fact, Steve but he'd really prefer to be called Kyle and doesn't like being called Steve. Would you have the same hangups about that? Likewise, if you interacted with someone who was a different religion as you that asked that you not disrespect their religion in front of them, would you respect that? Would interacting with them somehow force you to acknowledge their beliefs as your own? From your perspective as someone who's trying to GM a ttrpg what's the difference? You can think they're an idiot and their beliefs are stupid but I feel like you're just conflating "factually incorrect" and "morally wrong"
>>96915250No. False. The state of being a man or a woman is a property that exists in objective reality, and it is possible for an assertion about that state of affairs to be either true or false. A name is a convention. Being male or female is not, and you don't get a choice in the matter. If Steve wanted me to pretend he was a giraffe, I would likewise refuse.
>>96915250How interesting, and telling, that you compared it to a religious preference.
>>96915250>Instead of having a guy ask you to refer to him as a girl, imagine you have a friend Steve who wants you to call him Kyle.That is absolutely not the same thing and you know it.
Why should I respect your beliefs? You aren't royalty, you don't have any authority. You will refrain from infringing on my personal autonomy, or I will kill you.
What's with all this political nonsense? Are we being raided?
>>96915341lol pretending to be someone else cuz you got obliterated
>>96915250>Would you have the same hangups about that?What if I did? What if I found it fundamentally dishonest and insincere, and hated the idea of being that way?>Likewise, if you interacted with someone who was a different religion as you that asked that you not disrespect their religion in front of them, would you respect that?I'd assume they're looking for an excuse to be offended, because religion generally doesn't come up in real conversations.
>>96915349Damn you sound mentally ill. Not your boogeyman, sorry.
>>96915341Mrs. Janine's last ditch attempt at keeping this place alive, probably.
>>96915352You lost, sorry.
>>96915262What if Steve WAS a giraffe? You don't know, he could be a cross-species giraffe doppelganger
>>96915369So you aren't actually serious about your own position? At least you can admit it, I guess.
>>96915341/pol/acks shit up every board that doesn't have a constant stream of activity, as well as specific threads that they think would be easy to get a reaction in (such as /vg/'s /xivg/ during European hours)
>>96915262>The state of being a man or a woman is a property that exists in objective realitythat's true>>96915262>If Steve wanted me to pretend he was a giraffe, I would likewise refuse.Would you? Online on a VTT? Why? What sort of thing do you think Steve would have you do to assert that he's a giraffe? What do you think a tranny wants from you?If you were to refer to Steve as a giraffe, does that suddenly make him one? Of course not. Why does this mean you can't still play a TTRPG together? Why does him being factually wrong make him morally wrong?>>96915285How? Why does one affect you more than the other?>>96915269Fine, imagine someone is the wrong skin color and they ask you to pretend they're the right skin color.
>>96915304We are not Russian! We are Swedes.Please the not of confusing
>>96915378Yes, of course I would. If he's using a computer, he's not a giraffe. Obviously.No one ever mentioned the tranny "wanting anything from me". What a bizarre non sequitur. If you're not female, I will not refer to you as female. If you're not a satellite, I will not refer to you as a satellite. If you're not a blue whale, I will not refer to you as a blue whale.
>>96915378Simple : One is lying about the actual state of affairs of physical things in the world, and the other is not. I will not lie, and I will not be made to lie. Not by you, not by a tranny, not by God.
>>96915376I'm deadly seriously, Barry. Giraffe doppelgangers would be a huge threat to national security.
>>96915404No you aren't. Engage with the discussion sincerely or stop posting.
>>96915411Listen pal. Engage me on my level, or don't. I stick my neck out for nobody.
>>96915417Final warning.
>>96915421Before, what? You gonna turn into a thirty foot tall Giraffa Camelopardalis and lick my ass?
Your funeral.
>>96915439At least that would be more funner.. al than you.
Dusted.
Nothing beats a jet2 holiday, and right now you can save-
;)
>>96915389>If you're not a blue whale, I will not refer to you as a blue whale.And that would somehow keep you from playing an RPG in a VTT with someone? That would make you break off a friendship with someone and make you rethink your whole life and reflect on your "condemning myself to never form any really meaningful friendships"?If so, you don't really hate trannies you're just very autistic and should probably just look into coping mechanisms for that instead>>96915397>I will not lie, and I will not be made to lie.Then how do you play tabletop rpg's?
OP, send them >>96915481, no context
>>96915489You seem to keep bringing up irrelevant stuff to muddy the argument because you have no leg to stand on. Strange.I won't say things that aren't true. I don't consent to having your beliefs being forced on me. You will respect my boundaries. It's not a discussion.
>>96915489Fiction makes no assertions about the state of affairs of things in the world, and as such has no truth value, therefore cannot be a lie. What a weak attempt at a gotcha. I know you can do better.
>>96915497>I won't say things that aren't trueYour honor, he's lying! Wait...
>>96915497Sounds like you and your friend who invited Sarah won't be friends for very long, and he should find other games to play with her, without you anywhere near them.
>>96915497>I won't say things that aren't trueokay, then how do you play TTRPG's?You know, traditional games? What we're doing here in this thread?
>>96915511Can't engage with the discussion because you're out of arguments? lol>>96915514>>96915504You're so dull.
Has anyone stopped to consider or ask OP whether his friend was aware that the tyranny had applied before
You know the best part of traditional games, /tg/?You get to pick who you play with.OP doesn't like trans people. That's his call. He doesn't have to play with them.I don't like culture warriors like OP. I don't have to play with him.It's your table, your call. You play with who you want and I'm astounded this is controversial. Morons like >>96914525 are what is ruining this board.
I'm right and you're wrong.
>>96915489>And that would somehow keep you from playing an RPG in a VTT with someone?Yes, because they will demand that I lie, and then screech to everyone that I'm evil when I refuse.>That would make you break off a friendship with someoneHaving principles means that sometimes you'll have to do something you really don't like.>and reflect on your "condemning myself to never form any really meaningful friendships"?The posts in this thread are what made me reflect.>>96915551Oh he knew.
>>96915577I'm straight and you're..?
>>96915504>Fiction makes no assertions about the state of affairs of things in the worldand neither does a person over the internet and whatever stupid shit they want to call themselves>>96915564this, I didn't give a shit until I saw >>96914571I can't take seeing all this dumb culture war shit getting people to break down
>>96915604Yes, it does. If you say you're female and you're actually male, then that's false, and no amount of high school sophistry will make it any less false. You're free to lie, but you will never make me agree with you.
>>96915527Why are you confusing me for other people, faggot? I'm telling you you need to cut said friend off before he does it himself. It'll be mutually beneficial. If he cuts you off first there's a nonzero chance he'll go out of his way to schiz out and ruin your reputation with everyone he can.
>>96914466>He's not compelled to let people like that play his games.It seems like he has been, since he's made a thread to cry about it
>>96913777Try to edit your screenshots next time Mark.
>>96915621>If you say you're female and you're actually male, then that's falseYou are correct. But why is this something you're so hung up on that you have to stand up and assert that you have never and will never tell a lie in your entire life?>>96915582>because they will demand that I lie, and then screech to everyone that I'm evil when I refuseHas this ever happened to you?>Having principles means that sometimes you'll have to do something you really don't likeFactually not what that means. I don't get your deal anymore.
>>96915699What friend? I haven't brought up any friends in this conversation you dishonest retard. Stick to the discussion or fuck off.
>>96915751Why are you so hung up on forcing other people to say things that aren't true?
>>96915761You stated your long time player invited a tranny. Why would you come here to bitch and moan instead of booting him otherwise, Mark?
>>96915489You're never going to convince him, he h as too much gender identity autism
>>96915777Who do you think you're talking to? Jesus christ what a dumbass
>>96915782Clearly, since he genuinely believes you should be willing to lie about what gender someone actually is.
>>96915751>Has this ever happened to you?I'm not going to let it happen to me. It's happened to other people too many times already.>>96915777Hey,>>96915761Isn't me. Also it was the new guy who invited the tranny. But to answer your question, I think I'm in a catch-22 where booting the tranny on the grounds of being a tranny would cause the already small group to disintegrate and ruin a long-term friendship. I could lie about why I booted them, but I wouldn't like that and I could be found out anyways
>>96915769I ain't forcing you to do shit. Why does the idea of some tranny asking someone else to call them some shit they aren't some moral event horizon that causes you to feel the need to stand and assert your innocence? On a board about playing pretend?>>96915782Wasn't calling him autistic as an insult, I genuinely think looking into advice for how to deal with other people when you're autistic would help>>96915833>I'm not going to let it happen to meIf you're thinking of breaking up with your friends anyways, why not just talk about this whole thing? You can't consider someone else unreasonable if you aren't willing to reason with them.
>>96913720>>96913695>>96913650Reddit
>>96915929But it is what you're advocating for. You've asked me, repeatedly, why I won't lie about someone being female. I told you why. If you reply at all, in any way, this means you want to force me to comply with the tranny, or it means you believe the tranny should be able to force me to comply (same difference). I will not comply.
>>96915940If you wanted unity of opinion, you coulda posted this on Stormfront.
>>96915951choke on a shotgun
>>96915957Touche lol
>>96915946Okay. I hope you enjoy traditional games.
>>96913642>Roll20>chud>gets sand in his cooch because "muh trannies">can't fucking talk to people>doesn't know how fucking discord works despite using itIt all checks out but is beyond saving. Just an hero and spare this wretched world your existence.
>>96916049Concession accepted.
>>96915929>Wasn't calling him autistic as an insultBut i am>>96915823Okay. Im not here to argue with autistic people
>>96916081Don't do the crime if you don't do the crime, it's really that simple tbqhwyf
>>96916066You will never be female.
>>96916103Indeed, you shouldn't get into arguments you can't win.
>>96916132If people followed that advice, there would be no arguments on the internet
>>96916081What concession? That you don't want a response? What do you want me to do? I'm not gonna threaten to kill you. We disagree and you don't even have to agree about it. I would call a player a blue whale or whatever the fuck if it would get us on playing a ttrpg in a vtt 'cause that's what I actually care about doing. TTRPG's are fun.
>>96915929>I ain't forcing you to do shit.But you keep insisting.>I genuinely think looking into advice for how to deal with other people when you're autistic would helpI don't need advice. I'm autistic, not retarded.>If you're thinking of breaking up with your friends anyways, why not just talk about this whole thing?First off, it's friend singular. Second, because it's a catch 22. If I boot the tranny and tell everyone why, I run the risk of burning bridges with an old friend. If I boot the tranny and lie about it, I will hate it and I run the risk of being caught my lie which automatically have a worse response than telling the truth. But if I dissolve the whole group, we still part ways as friends and can we maybe play together again someday.
>>96916086Ironic.
>>96916161Nope, your position is wrong.
>>96916106I know. I'm not trying to be. You on the other hand will never be a man. Or worth more than mulch.
>>96916161>I would call a player a blue whale or whatever the fuckYeah, because you don't have principles.
>no>i win>your opinion is wrongis it just me or has guy has been keeping multiple threads afloat with this autistic screeching
>>96916204That's incredibly offensive to mulch. I'm going to sick the entire brassica community on you.
>>96916173Have you considered not being a piece of shit so preoccupied with what other people call themselves that it threatens what little positive human interaction you have?
>>96916230No it ain't, chuds are an excellent type of mulch. It's the only way they can do something good for humanity.
