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>>96959694>TQGruul Delirium. It got hit with the nemesis ban but all it needs to do is to replace it with Tersa Lightshatter anyway
>What are you playing after the bans?my Amulet Titan survives yet another B&RI'll play this format as long as this deck is legal
Why is Redirect Lightning so overcosted? It should just cost R, no damage to your own face Redirect spells are dead cards except for a specific situation where someone is using a kill spell and they have their own creature on the board you can zap. Of course you can punish a counterspell as well but both are very uncommon situations.It's a one of spell, like a plummet or a pithing needle
>>96959756Shut the fuck upRed players should face lineal punishment
>>96959694>TQI don’t play constructed. Wotc have wiped their ass with it too many times.
>>96959694How does this affect the pauper scene?
My babygirl Screaming Nemesis has been shot and thrown into a ditchPlease tell me a cool idea for an even slightly competitive and fun deck that has 0 (zero) UBslop cards
>>96959694The same i have been playing and probably will play until WotC take their heads out of their butts: Monoblack Midrange in Pioneer
>>96959804no I'm kinda with him. Even at cmc1 Redirect is a hard sell, these effect are much more narrow than they look.
time to see what horrors were being kept in check by vivi and nemesis
>>96959756Flat R is a bit too good. 1R maybe though.
>>96960011How about 1R change the target of a spell with one target, draw a card
>>96960019Lineal punishment
>>96960019Death penalty. Most you can get is spells/abilities with any number of targets.
>banned entombthe nazis hate jews less than Wizards hates its own customers
Should I swap out a copy of AoV for a third twin blade or a third Haliya?
>>96960011I think the closest comparison to single target is pithing needle. 1CMC, narrow silver bullet. This is printed at two and is broader and doesn't see any play
>>96960046single target redirects*
>>969600111R already gets you Untimely Malfunction, which has other modes on top of just redirecting one spell/ability.
>>969600461R is easier to cast than UU and isn't in the color with Spell Pierce.
>>96960046Untimely malfunction does see play, it's a solid sideboard card.
>>96960084>three modal hate piece sees play as sideboard material no way
>>96960112>anon wants to make a card that's exactly the same but has only one of those modes>it's shitno way
>>96960084>picDidn't know we already already have a Trolls UB
>>96960035Huh, you know I don't think I've ever seen a life gain deck running Haliya. Why is that?
How the fuck do you deal with this guy?
>>96960256no one plays it so you don't have to
>>96959756I miss the time where Redirect spells costed 3U as a baseline...>>96959481>Screaming Nemesis to ruin Standard.{2}{R}HasteWhenever this creature is dealt damage, it deals that much damage to any other target. (member Blasphemous Act? I member)If a player is dealt damage this way, they can’t gain life for the rest of the game. (Like Life gain was that much of a problem that they need to stop it on turn 3)2/2Nah, this card was 100% made for pet decks and to be silver bullets and staple on red commander aggro decks. Believing they didn't made it for commander is like believing that they forgot that OKO +1 could be used on opposing creatures and artifacts... They knew they could use it (they are stupid but not that much) the thing is: it was an planeswalker that could destroy ramp commander strategies.Next you are going to say you believe that they didn't see Companions as broken because of the deck clause, you will say that Lutre (or whatever the RU one is) is proof of that because it was free on commander... Nah, they knew what they were doing and Lutre was a bait for commander players to buy Ikoria like there was no tomorow.>>96959899>UBslop cardsSorry anon. Maybe you can use the "in-universe" UBshit that Arena has.
playpremodern
>>96959756it is effectively a counterspell in most situations. One mana counterspells need to be weaker than this.
>>96960256>Reanimate Mistmoors on turn 3>Opponent casts pic related on their next turnI guess run Wx control. It also dies to No More Lies.
>>96960509any spell is a legal target for counter spell. Redirect Lightning needs an enemy spell, a new legal target that should be the opposing player's to be good
Shit Nigga What Are You DoingRInstantChoose one- You may choose new targets for target spell- Take control of target triggered or activated ability. You may choose new targets for it.
>>96960721redirect their force of negation to redirect lightning BOOM checkmate, atheist
this deck was sovl desu
>>96960768I want to have sex with vampire conquistador women
>>96960811Dina...
What are your thoughts on pullbox?
>>96960811old and busted
NEBRASKA WON
>>96960372He and his older brother both see play in decks with GY setup.
press S to spit on Entomb
>>96960934>t. oops player
>>96960936I'm a Doomsday player
Banishing light, get lost, or stroke of midnight?
>>96960957sheltered by ghosts
>>96960964Besides that
>>96960936>oops player
looking forward to Avatar draft :)
>>96959694>playing?
>>96959694>TQjanky 60 card kitchen table
Who's ready for Reanimate and Vengeance to get banned next?
Reanimate is a fundamentally flawed archetypeThe fact that even at the lowest power level (standard), 5+ mana cost practically cost 4 unless they have a cast trigger goes against magic fundamentals. It is one of the reasons why Magic is always going to be degenerate, because turn 4 is the last effective turn before all form of attritions die.
>>969597565 life is free in Comander
>>96961236Shut up loser I want to be a necromancer
>>96959756>kill spellI'm mostly looking at it as a way to redirect discard spells and win every counter war.
Another week of praying that my boy Blex gets the "commander treatment" in Secrets of Strixhaven so that Swarmweaver doesn't have to carry this bullshit meta on just his shoulders. I was hoping the mana dorks would find some utility in a 5c changeling in Lorwyn, but then they gave allies the greatest mana-fixing creature ever printed, so now that plan's out. Maybe the changeling/generic support from Lorwyn will give me a reason to come back sooner.
>>96961236unmarked grave can't fetch atraxa or tamiyo. will it replace entomb?
>>96961313You can't "replace" entomb with 2 mana cards. 1 mana put stuff in graveyard is busted, which is why Troll got banned before Entomb.It might see play as a t2 or t3 deck though.
So we're all having fun playing with Avatar: The Last Airbender™ Universes Beyond™ cards at the prerelease, right?
>>96960957Emergency Eject
>>96961003I cast Bitterblossom (with Silksong)
>>96959694StandardVivi Ornitier is banned.Screaming Nemesis is banned.Proft's Eidetic Memory is banned.PioneerHeartfire Hero is banned.ModernNo changesLegacyEntomb is banned.Nadu, Winged Wisdom is banned.VintageNo changesPauperHigh Tide is banned.AlchemyNo changesHistoricForce of Negation is pre-banned.Frantic Search is pre-banned.Mystical Tutor is pre-banned.Entomb is pre-banned.Dark Depths is pre-banned.TimelessNo changesBrawlStrip Mine is banned.Mana Drain is banned.Chrome Mox is bannedAncient Tomb is banned.Effective Date: November 10, 2025Next Announcement Date: February 9, 2026
MonoblackreanimatorlegacybrosHow are we coping ?At least the bird took the ban ,right ?
>>96961316so there's no way to save the deck?
>>96961513I wish girl losers were real
>>96961313>>96961599worldly tutor + surveil land is effectively the best 2 mana entomb we have access to now, the problem is that it locks you to green/black which means no blue for protection I think a hybrid of the chain of smog combo could be the new best version of traditional reanimator
>>96961632no one is gonna run bg reanimator just like monob. https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7329892#paperalready tried running unmarked grave and 1 iok and it went 7-2. might see some modifications to this list and maybe it will 4-5 or 3-6. the fow package is pretty strong even without wasteland.
Legacybros what's the general mood?
>>96959756>Counterspells are uncommon
>>96961607They are, they're just nowhere near as attractive or skinny as usually depicted
>>96961689Yeah they also smell bad and are mentally unstable.
>>96961695BPD girls are godlike though>>96961689As long as they're not fat
>>96961607look for shtinky league players
What if I want a needy woman that doesn't stink?
>>96959694>Entomb banned in LegacyReally wasn't expecting that. Does this just straight up kill Reanimator decks?
>>96961739probably. the nadu deck is dead and cephalid breakfast is gonna slow down a lot. high tide in pauper killed a deck.
>>96961731Girls don't play video games
>>96961739We have the technology.
>>96961757That's a massive downgrade unfortunately. Sure it's the best and probably only alternative, but it drops the deck from tier 1 to tier 3.
>>96961757That's twice the mana...
>>96961738just clean her yourself? she is needy after all
>>96961674happy that we got bans but not addressing tamiyo and the ring is just kicking the can down the road>>96961739it makes them much, much worse but they're not technically deadif you want an example of real a dead deck, look at nadu midrange, the whole deck was built around it
I fear my opponent might've made a tactical misstep hereOh well, time to go do the laundry!
>>96961913> filenamejajajajajaja hola mi amigo como va taco goku
>>96961948Don't bully our latinx representation
>>96961451I love how people are still overbaking the fuck out of their CFG in 2025.
>>96961913>>96961948>>96961967I think being an arena player makes him a more undesirable person than him being latin.
>>96961236Reanimate without ramp is fine since it's basically a more vulnerable to hate way to achieve the same result, of somebody's ramping with multiple lands per turn and mana dorks there's not much difference between casting an 8 mana card turn 4 vs using a 4 mana reanimate. What's really degenerate is massive creature power creep triggering off enters the battlefield allowing you to get 90% of a card's value by cheating it into play for one or two mana with shit like goryo's vengeance, and of course the O.G Reanimate from Tempest which simply wasn't designed with modern creature power creep in mind.You're not cheating in Shivan Dragon in 2025, you're cheating in Atraxa who's already double-dipped on value by being pitched to a force of will to counterspell the opponent for free, so you've spent 2 cards and ONE mana to get a fucking Griselbrand++
Unironically what were they thinking by printing this card? It makes firebending student look like draft chaff
>>96962152"+2/0 is the same total stats as prowess giving +1/+1, so there's basically no difference right?"alternatively "we're sick of monastery swift spear still seeing play in legacy, what can we do to power creep it?"
>>96962152They were thinking "mono red and combat damage are weak in coomander, therefore we can print whatever the fuck we want"
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2612189237>WoTC staff playing Duel Masters on official MTG channel >One Duel Master editor>The other UB designer Either there will be UB Duel Master (baiting Japanese player) or some Duel masters mechanic got ported to MTG
>>96962308Finally ... Joyous Spring will save magic
>>96962343How?
>>96962343???
>>96962343wrong game
>>96962308Is yugioh magic-adjecent?
>>96962308Non ironically if MTG had a Genesys format it would save Magic
>>96961695>This is a bad thing>>96961706>As long as they're not fat
>>96962343Anon...
>>96962343>Ups make a mistake>>96962447>>96962489>Let's just keep going to the bottomYuGayOhh Sis.....
>>96962343>Counters a tutor, genesis or entomb. What good would that do?
>>96962308Duel Masters used to be printed in the west by WotC and has quite a few MTG crossover cards in japan (Jace TMS, Serra Angel, Black Lotus that actually functions more like Lotus Bloom, ansd some others i think), and one of the recent DM sets had split creature/spell cards that area bit confusing to look at. I can see them hyping up DM return to the west, fueled by everyone leaving MTG because of the UBslop
>>96962755seeing how Entomb is so good it got banned, quite a lot of good. And if you're not using it as the counter you can just play it as a beatstick, which is even more options.
>all the video creator niggas who hated spiderman now hipying turtlesdamn wizards if you sent your goons and money checks make it less obvius
I am thinking of quitting Standard format entirely and playing Brawl instead. One problem I have with Brawl is I cannot find good online resources, all the decklists I see are years old. I asked my IRL friend who plays and he suggested making your own brew instead of netdecking, with the added benefit that you will be less likely to get matchmade with sweaty decks.Do you guys have any advice on deckbuilding for Brawl format?
>>96962953>neckdecking the drooler formatanon please
>>96962755>zero mana stifle a fetchBroken
Is this game fucked beyond any redemption? I keep seeing Izzet even after bans…
>>96962922TURTLES FOREVER MATE!!!KAMIGAWABUMGA!!!!
>all creators opening boxes went in the negativeMakes me wonder, what sort of fucked up market is this? the box has more value that the shit inside, how is it even sustainable?
>>96962981If Brawl is the last viable format shouldn't I "take it seriously"
>>96963034there are paypiggies who crack them like lotto tickets and "sneakerhead" - style (aka black and brown people living in NYC) "investors" who buy them to hold onto the product sealed on the off-chance that the product spikes in value in the future. They see something like the fact that Lorwyn boxes from '07 go for over a thousand dollars now and buy a box or a hundred hoping that something similar will happen to Spider-Man Collector's boxes.The quote obvious fact that none of these people are buying cards to actually play the game or collect the set or anything like that seems totally unobjectionable to WotC.
>Every format was flourishing until now according to WotC>With the B&R, WotC acts like they were the ones advocating for bans and changes and supporting upset players
WHAT IF I JUST PLAY MERFOLK LOOTER IN MY REANIMATOR DECK
>>96960256Uhhh disenchant?
>>96963033>One Leonardo or anotherThat's stupid? Doesn't make much sense? Why isn't it.>One Leonardo to another
>>96962308>the most broken and banned cars in yu-gi-oh is....divinationAHAHAHAHA
i think she's underrated
>>96962308Revolution change coming trust
>>96962308Is this confirmation YuGi is in a better spot than Magic? MTG bros… Where things gone so wrong for a 1 turn Japanese TCG could beat us?
>>96962308Can someone redpill me on dual masters? Am I supposed to be angry? Can a nigga get a little context?
How are Legacy and Vintage? My local playgroup wants to run proxy events for one of the eternal formats other than Pauper and I wonder for which one should I vouch.
I would pay to get YuGi styled cards rather than UB
>>96963157Mr. President, a second ban has hit Legacy
I pray to god that riftbound takes all the piggies away
>>96963252Even if it did, they'd be back in a couple years when it dies.
>>96963267Riftbound is the Magic killer. If there is something to kill i mean…
>>96963209>>96963157I still gonna run entomb in my UB deck. The ban was unjust and they know.>but but but it was bannedIt a proxy event. What are you gonna do?call the cops?I agree to not take out entomb if no one else play The Ring or Kozilek command
>>96963286They couldn't even kill it with LoR, a digital game that would have a far greater reach. Riftbound is competing in a smaller niche (physical card game), fighting for an audience that Magic basically has a monopoly on (commander players). From what I understand, they've also deviated a fair bit from lore so they're not even leveraging the existing base.
>>96963348>From what I understand, they've also deviated a fair bit from loreArcane did that too and it was a hit.
>>96963431They didn't actually deviate that much in S1, most of it was working in unknown or vague backstories. S2 was the one that changed a lot, and at least from what I saw people liked that a lot less. Especially with VIktor and Warwick.
>>96963157>legacyeven with entomb and nadu banned the format is likely still gonna be warped around tamiyo and the mystic forge deck, if you don't like the idea of having to consistently answer early tamiyos or have 4x null rod + heavy interaction in your sideboard, I don't recommend it>vintagemuch better than legacy in terms of decks you can reasonably play, but you gotta accept the high varience nature of the format (unless you play lurrus control, that deck is all answers)
>discuss league of legends slopTruly a new low even for /mtg/ standards
>>96961706No no they are not unless you want to be a cucked emotional tampon only fuck and chuck bpd girls. The sex is unbelievable though.
>>96963625Don't worry, next year it'll be a LoL UB and become on topic.
>>96963625yeah, we should discuss teenage mutant ninja turtles right, anon-kun?
>>96959694Legacy: WB D&TModern: Grixis (Splinter Twin) Midrange>Standard>>96963033>KAMIGAWABUMGA!!!!
>>96963033>KAMIGAWABUMGA!!!!
>>96963965>even the Premodern Brazilian spammer is gone
>>96961236This. How the fuck do you balance the bigger creatures when 5 mana is just as easy to cast as 500? They have all the benefits of supersized creatures with none of the penalties.
>landfall deck>landfall deck>landfall deck>landfall deck>landfall deck
we need more creatures and spell than "cant be countered by spells or abilities" in standard, dimir is getting to good and strong after vivi bani
>>96963034>how is it even sustainable?That's the neat part... It's not. These "people" are bag holders and eventually the bubble will pop and they will all freak out and hopefully hang from a ceiling fan, Rudy from Alpha Investments especially. More people coming in means more analytical eyes on prices and value, this is why they announced the big end to old reprints this which has massively pumped the market. It will not however prevent the eventually bubble pop and crash if TMNT and Avatar fail to live up to expectations for "investors.">>96963076>>Every format was flourishing until now according to WotCAs a relatively new player the fact that they cope about this is insane. I've wanted to get into paper standard for 2 years now but the game is just way too expensive to have to rent a deck. Im only considering getting into pauper now for obvious reasons and a new shop in town has a big scene for it apparently + ygo is finally doing what people have been begging for with Genesys so it's a prime time to get back into that.
>look in to pauper >some cards are $2Damn, I honestly wasn't expecting that
>>96963523>They didn't actually deviate that much in S1Not unless you're a Blitzcrank fan...
>Entomb banthey are gonna print giga cancer in MH4 arent they
>>96964264Phyrexian Entomb
>>96964264I mean yeah but that's completely independant from the entomb ban, maybe it looks like a random change to the average outsider but legacy has been having a gigantic problem with dimir reanimator for like 3 years or so
Is this game cooked?
>>96964405Overcooked.
>>96964405>>96964436nah, is raw, pure, the purest in fact, unadultered shit.
While I like the memory hit, they should have banned stock up and star charts too.
>>96964264>MH4You mean the upcoming hobbit set?
>>96959832high tidefags in shambles
>>96963625The pigs demand reparations.
>>96964499we're going to have that AND MH4 in 2027 or 2028
>>96964635Damn I miss only having 3-4 standard sets in a year and only having to care about those.I miss blocks. I miss having characters without weird hair colors being main characters.
>>96964635Good old times... I never thought how much i would miss that year with just MKM, OTJ, Bloomburrow and DSK, half of this were bad sets? Yeah, but on a whole different level than TMNT, Avatar, Star Trek and Marvel capeshit.Take me back, bros...
>>96961236>>96962148>>96961218We are well past the point where non restrictive "place monster" effects can be allowed in this stupid fucking game. Having decks where you essentially auto lose unless you draw the specific counter you have for them is shit no matter how you look at it.>>96964478Not letting blue fags search their entire deck with no restrictions is anti semitic anon.
Dumb question but if I built a hare apprent deck today how long would I be able to play it in standard with all the bloomburrow support?
>>96964952until blb rotates in January '27.
>>96964961Shit, I'll save my money then.
Why is wizards obsessed with making the innistrad vampires blackulas?
>>96964968Because wizards wont rest until every single humanoid creature represents some kind of minority.
>>96964968Huh?
>>96964979a favorite of mine from 2019
>>96964968>markov>black
>>96964968>/mtg/ is gatekeeping who can be monstrous bloodsucking horrors now
>>96965008Vampires clans aren't genetic, they're chosen. No issue there.
>>96964968Good questionWhy we didn't get black samurai or ninja in Neon Kamigawa?
>>96965046The fuck are you talking about?
>>96965046we in fact got negroids at kamigawa.
>>96965046
>>96964968Because they love blaxsploitation kino>>96965046>chud has the "doesn't play the game" awardImagine my freaking shock
>>96963062that 'if' is doing a lot of work in your sentence
>>96965172I like Brawl AND Standard Brawl
Would this be too much for a one drop?
>>96965659>furry shitYeah that would make me leave the table
>>96965684>Yeah that would make me leave the tableI wish the annoying fags that said this shit would actually do it so we people who actually play the game won't have to deal with you
Is this a real card? They didn't print this, right?
>>96965797Saying "real card" implies that there are fake cards, and we don't allow that kind of exclusionary dialogue. Unless they're the p-word, then it's straight to jail.
>>96965797It's a bonus sheet card, yes.https://scryfall.com/sets/fca
>>96965797*tutors demonicly*
>>96965817Ponder?
>>96965797Anon, this is a real magic card they don't fucking care.
Oh it was Cruel, I thought it was Demonic.
>>96964392top three most played cards before the ban> force of will, force of negation, brainstormtop three most played cards after the ban> force of will, force of negation, brainstormyes the bans are perfect and will save legacy anon
>>96965867People won't check, just pretend it is
>>96965867making me see that card is cruel
>>96965684Don't worry anon I only plan on making 3-4 more
>>96965870The health of a format is not in its most played cards.
>>96965870>yes the bans are perfect and will save legacy anonwhen did I say the bans are going to save legacy? that's a gigantic leap of logic wtfOP's post implied they only banned entomb because of some shit in MH4, which in my post I explained it wasn't the case, reanimator has been a problem for while now, I never implied banning entomb would fix anything
>>96965951Honestly even without format knowledge anyone should be able to tell that the ban isn't in relation to an upcoming set, let alone a modern horizons set, because there's no chance in hell the designers are testing for impact in Legacy in any product
>>96965951hard to say reanimator is a problem if banning it doesn't affect the best deck core in the format. Brainstorm/Force of Will has been winning since before 2006 and it will continue uninterrupted in 2026. who gives a shit about three years of pairing it with entomb instead of something else.>>96965925Vivi gamer spotted.I like formats to have more than one viable deck and strategy and I guess you don't. That's fine, hasbro agrees with you anyway.
>>96966101>hard to say reanimator is a problem if banning it doesn't affect the best deck core in the format.the "best deck core" of the format is a sacred cow, they are never going to ban cards from it, you can't possibly be ignorant of this by now>who gives a shit about three years of pairing it with entomb instead of something else.the people who play the format in which the sacred cows are never going to be banned, obviouslyyou're living in a fantasy world if you think banning the blue cards has ever been on the table, it's like talking about banning power 9 + shops and bazaar from vintage
>People actually saying the Entomb ban was fine and Force of Will needs to followYeah, I'm sure the flashy made-for-commander legendary that gave tempo to you in literally every way possible wasn't the problem. It was the rest of the t2 deck that suddenly shot to t1 when Atraxa came out.I'm sure a FoW ban will definitely improve Legacy and not just make the whole format instantly go to shit where the player that goes first has 80% winrate because there's no way to regain tempo against them.
>>96966244Anon you don't get it, we'd have to ban EVERY giant reanimate target we print from every set onwards if we don't ban entomb. It's just not possible to hold them up to Griselbrand as a measuring stick of how good a card should be. That technology just doesn't exist. And we're obviously going to never stop making stupid giant monsters for Commander, so you'll just have to accept this entomb ban.
>>96965870>>96966101Are you the dipshit that was spamming>NEW PIONEER BREW 4 THOUGHTSEIZE 4 FATAL PUSHsome time ago? Decks are going to run the best draw spell and the best free interaction spell, why does this surprise you? Do you have any idea how much bullshit is being held in check because of free 2-for-1 yourself counterspells? Do you have any idea how much better formats are for the most played cards being interaction and draw instead of win cons?
>>96965842HAHAHAHAHA imagine you are a fucking design and you have to watch this western anime to make future cards for your game and you precisely decide that you will copy paste in jpg this exact pic, then someone at the market team greenlights this shit and tells you "good work, frend" LMAO
>>96965659>create a map tokenAs a common it would also likely want reminder text for what a map token is.
I'm sad about screaming nemesis being bannedEspecially because it removes my excuse to run Fanatical FirebrandWhat are some good replacements? I need a good 1 drop creature that isn't Hired Claw and a new 3 dropI feel like there's nothing good in Avatar for the deck
>>96966371>replacements for one of the worst design mistakes in magic historyanon...
>>96966286Well that's because commander players banned Griselbrand because he's too scary in their 40-life format.
>>96966386What's wrong with Fanatical Firebrand? I feel like it's a fun Mogg Fanatic successor
>>96966371>What are some good replacements?>For that fucking abominationGenuinely, and I mean this with all my heart,FUCK OFFIF YOU ARE PLAYING REDTHE ENTIRE POINT IS TO BE FRAGILENEMESIS IS NOT FUCKING ACCEPTABLE
>>96966404kek well memed my friend
Testing is being done.The late game threat of randomly having your Mistmoors make 4 tokens instead of 2 for almost no investment is absolutely disgusting.
>>96966101>Vivi gamer spotted.>I like formats to have more than one viable deck and strategyInvalid retort. Brainstorm is not a strategy, all it does is draw you cards. You cannot win a game through Force of Will alone. These are not strategies. They are tools to facilitate strategies. You suck at debating.
>>96966417Why are you so angered that I want to find another 3 cmc creature?
>>96966432"late game threat" in a format where there isn't a late game is whack
>>96966371Ball Lightning is the 3 drop for men of culture
>>96966344Fixed, thanks.
>>96966478>"late game threat" in a format where there isn't a late game is whackHe says, after both aggro decks got deleted.
>>96966493I didn't see a SSS ban
>>96966507>I didn't see a SSS banSSS is fast but manageable. You can see it coming and without Monstrous Rage, and even moreso without Nemesis completely deleting any ability to stabilize after SSS gets a crack in, it's not too threatening.That is to say, you can remove SSS and you actually have time to do things after without being shit on by infinite value unblockable follow ups.
Honestly, the main hellish broken ass FIRE threat I'm becoming worried about in Standard right now appears to be Enduring Curiosity. With Kaito to back it up, Curiosity is just far too hard to interact with and far too potent at what it does.In the entire Standard format, your reasonable solutions to Curiosity are exactly a bargained Torch the Tower and nothing else. What the FUCK were they thinking printing a fucking Coastal Piracy WITH A BODY SO IT CAN TRIGGER ITSELF
>>96966549>What the FUCK were they thinking printing a fucking Coastal Piracy WITH A BODY SO IT CAN TRIGGER ITSELFwith flash!
>>96966566I, for one, enjoy how Duskmourn design was "Let's power creep the thing, then do it again, then power creep it even more, and then for good measure make sure to add one additional extra power creep layer on top of that... then take that design idea and preemptively power creep it!"
>>96966549we need this at instant speed
we must return to mercadia
>>96966579That would be nice.Decent instant speed removal AT ALL IN ANY WAY would be nice, actually.
>>96964968I swear to god marvel has blade on it. He is the only cool non spandex im that cringe fest. But disney keeps pretending he does not exist
>>96966597White at least still has Get Lost. Black's options have gotten pretty bad since Throat rotated out.
>>96966700>Get Lost the Creativity>They get two maps and still have Creativityyeah no
what if you hit the cat with one of these?
>>96966759It's alright. Torch the Tower, if you can Bargain it reliably, is a much better option at 1cmc.Problem with Dragonfire is that it's just kind of shit and not very good against things that aren't exactly cat.
>>96966732You mean Curiosity? Yeah, there's not much in the way of clean, reasonably cheap, instant answers for the Enduring cycle unless they're actually swinging with it.
Stock up should not be a legal card
>>96966863That's true of about one in ten Standard cards and that's not even counting UB
>>96966863It should be instant speed
>>96966920And have Flashback 3U
>>96966920>>96966926Instead of wasting cardboard i say we just make a new rule that says blue players can simply take every card they want from their deck whenever they want instead of drawing for turn.
>>96966982>Instead of wasting cardboard i say we just make a new rule that says blue players can simply take every card they want from their deck whenever they want instead of drawing for turn.Honestly? Yeah. That should just be an inherent ability of Islands.Mountains give all your creatures Hate and Double Strike. Forests add GG instead. Swamps let you pay 1 life to draw a card. And Plains gain 1 life on ETB.
>>96966863The blackpill is that Stock Up is genuinely not that good because it's a 3-mana sorcery, but it's played because it gets over the gigacancer that is Orcish Bowmasters, which is in-turn played at 4 copies because of the utter retardation that is Tamiyo.
>>96967005>The blackpill is that Stock Up is genuinely not that good because it's a 3-mana sorcery, but it's played because it gets over the gigacancer that is Orcish Bowmasters, which is in-turn played at 4 copies because of the utter retardation that is Tamiyo.No, anon. You are wrong.Entomb was the problem.
>>96959694I just came back from a funeral. It got me thinking: Have your ever thought about your incoming death, /tg/? As in what will happen to your cards after your pass away? And, would you take any deck(s) with you into the afterlife? I just talke about this with my friends and each one of us is taking our favorite commander decks into the grave
>>96967005Even on it's own it supports any blue strategy that wants to stall (the most annoying kind), by letting you fill your devk with as many counter spells and removal options as you want while still having the draw power to get to your win con. Star charts is arguably even worse about this but together they're absolutely aids.
>>96967133>Card that does nothing but put more cards in your hand is better in archetypes that aren't aggroNo way!
>>96965870> force of will, force of negationThe problem. >brainstormNot a problem in any way as Pauper is still great. >top 3: lorien revealed, lightning bolt, brainstormIt's notable that premodern in no way as the problems of legacy. Force of Will, and brainstorm are banned in it. >top 3: swords to paradise, mishra's factory, wastelandA brainstorm unban would only see blue decks replace portent or opt with brainstorm. Strong card. But it doesn't really break anything.
>>96967149Facilitating bad deck building is gay. There should be some consequence to making your deck mostly cards that prevent your opponent from playing.
It's been two years since the "Revitalizing Standard" post was made on the official MtG website, which boiled down to an announcement that the rotation window would be changed from two years to three years. I thought I'd ask about it here since this general occasionally has thoughtful and knowledgeable people using it and I'm relatively new to the game (have only been playing for about a year)1. This is mainly aimed at anyone who plays Standard competitively (ie in paper), do you agree with the (stated) logic given for the change? That is, do you think that cards had insufficient longevity, and that archetypes weren't effectively developed over time in Standard? 2. Does anyone know whether or not this plan actually worked? Obviously Standard has been in a funk for the last six months but what about the other 24 months since the announcement? Did Standard really experience a resurgence in attendance and participation? I don't know where to find that kind of information or even if it could be found.
>"Let's put this emblem on a + ability on a Planeswalker with Hexproof!"Please estimate the IQ that someone would need to make this proposition.
>>96966996White has pretty much nothing going for them right now in standard. I barely even see them in ranked anymore.
>>96967303>do you agree with the (stated) logic given for the change?lmao>That is, do you think that cards had insufficient longevity, and that archetypes weren't effectively developed over time in Standard?It's a problem Wizards engineered for themselves.Prior to direct-to-eternal sets ala Lord of the Rings, Standard cards generally could compete in eternal formats. Maybe not at the top, but many would trickle into the format as slight optimizations / sidegrade-options-vs-your-meta of tier 2/3 decks.The introduction of direct-to-eternal products butchered the entire MTG pipeline. (FNM Draft the new set to get cards for your Standard deck, rotated Standard cards go into your Eternal decks.) This also came right alongside the Play Booster Hegelian dialectic "Let's create the problem of splitting packs into two shit products so that players accept the """"solution"""" of a draft pack price increase." trashfire. This simultaneously massacred the flows of both the draft-to-Standard AND the Standard-to-Eternal. Effectively, in just a few years WotC completely annihilated the entirety of MTG's gameplay ecosystem.>Does anyone know whether or not this plan actually worked?No Standard fucking sucks more shit than anything the AVGN would rather guzzle. It's the worst it has ever been, BY FAR, and the same is true for all formats that WotC curates.>Did Standard really experience a resurgence in attendance and participation? Not in my experience. Standard has been dropped from all stores within a 45 minute drive from my location. The only surviving support for MTG in basically my entire county is EDH weekends and SOME stores still do Prereleases. 60 card magic is completely dead in paper, from what I can see.But maybe there's a Magic boom in Nebraska.> I don't know where to find that kind of information or even if it could be found.Go to your local game store and look, idiot. Use your eyes.
>>96967374>Go to your local game store and look, idiot. Use your eyes.I looked, one of them stopped running Standard but the other still runs it. But I'm looking for some kind of dataset that includes the entire customer base or at least all tournament players rather than just my relatively small city.
>my fetish got a cardNice
>>96967396>I looked, one of them stopped running Standard but the other still runs it. But I'm looking for some kind of datasetFuck off. Verificationism is a mind plague.Trust yourself before data, which is often manipulated, frequently incorrect and almost never indicates the correct conclusion by its merits alone. You are the arbiter of your own good sense. Stop relying on other people to do the hard work of gathering knowledge for you.
>>96967396>>96967425Furthermore, yours is the perspective that is a valuable to you. You have seen one LGS stop running Standard, and another continue to run it. That is all you need to know.Attempting to universalize your experience is a betrayal of self. You do not need accurate national data, because yours is the only community that matters to you. Work within where you are, as who you are, and act according to the things which matter to you.You are the arbiter of your own life, and your life alone, not the billion lives of unknown faces. Act like it. Be responsible for what you embody, no more and no less.
>>96967422God this slop is really hideous...
>>96967487They didn't even get high res masters of the show lmfao. They're all fucking low-resolution shitrate piratebay rips it's CRAZY
>>96967506Apparently it's from shit that Viacom sends out for all tie-ins.
Every time I play against lifegain, I think of stupid fucking evil women who "just want to feel safe"You just want to feel safe huh? That's why you have to cheat? Fuck you you fucking hore
>>96967599>Mountain enjoyer in shamblesGood.
>>96967616I fucking hate mountains too and wish they'd ban themThere's nothing fun or interactive about "dump your whole hand turn 1 for a million damage"
>>96967616Mountains are awful but lifegain is literally cheating
>>96967599I rub my hands, because my Obliterator into Bushwhack targeting their huge Pridemate is ready.
>>96967675Go fuck yourself
>>96967685After you sacrifice 20 permanents of your choice.
>>96959694>TQwell-timed TQ, I finished selling a bunch of shit I wasn't using on MTGO and tried to focus down on 3 decks per format, here's where I'm at>pioneerizzet ensoulgreen devotion golgari food>modernruby belchermono white hammerbant living end>legacytemur rhinosoops all spellsstorm >vintage mono white initiative dredge countervine >paupercycle storm goblin combomadness burntried going for decks that don't need a lot of updates in order to do their thing and are reasonable different from each other within each format
stone rain targeting your-wh-what do you mean "that card's not standard legal!"?they ALWAYS put stone rain in the core set!what's "foundations?"this is some sort of bad dream...
>>96967694Why are people so cruel? Do you enjoy causing misery and suffering?
>>96967705You were challenged and found lacking.
>>96967599>>96967637>complaining about lifegainWhy? They're literally a free win unless you brick.
>>96967249>Putting cards in your deck that interact with your opponent are bad
For WotC to think that Mouse is the problem with pioneer is deranged and completely separated from reality.
>>96967925It's only a problem on Arena. In Best of One. That's where Pioneer exists right now.
>>96967925The fact these absolute brainlet people left Fable, Annex, Nemesis, Leyline of Resonance, Heartfire and Rage still in the format without also not unbanning any of the cards that could make the meta more “fun” is confirmation they don’t care.But is not surprising the UB garbage almost has no place in the format you can play already made lists like Cat/Oven, Azorious Control or Niv to light almost without changes and get success and you don’t have to deal with the degeneration of Manmade Horrors, they can’t cash cow the format like Stroontard or Memedern, the only good thing is that now you can play whatever shit without the tryhards and you can do it for free.
predict the state of standard post nerfs
>>96968219Dimir is gonna rape for the next seven days but I think there's a lot of jeskai stuff in the Avatar set that should be able to shake things up
>>96968219Battlecrier, Kona/Omnscience combo and UB midrange will be the new boogeymen of the format. That until ATLA and Firebend become official, then Monored/RX will return to be a nightmare.
>>96968219Total Control ass fest.Aggro was the only think keeping control in check. Control shits on the Dimir decks.
>>96968288>Battlecrier, Kona/Omnscience combo and UB midrange will be the new boogeymen of the formaUB Midrange preyed on Aggro and Aggro preyed on Control.Control will dominate. WotC deleted one of the format's three pillars. It's like in rock paper scissors, if you delete rock it doesn't suddenly become a 50-50 metagame between scissors and paper.
>>96967869Being able to build a deck based almost entirely around uninteractable disruption thats only able to exist due to a very small number of over tuned draw cards is bad yes.
man, these really do not look good
>>96968407Understatement.They look like total fucking shit and are some of the ugliest cards ever released.
>>96968407In paper they look even worse.
>>96968407I’m so fucking mad seeing the anime slop every time i enter on Arena now… Is hideous specially for those of us that don’t care or like Fagatar
Avatar was a really ugly show, actually. Its animation was not very good and the quality of its art was even worse.Of all the properties to do lazy screenshots with, I can't think of many worse options.
>>96968422No need to be contrarian. Avatar had great animation and backgrounds.
>>9696846710/10
Wtf even is this art anyway? I can't tell if the red thing is supposed to be a woman.
>>96968398UB's best matchup is control. The derpy Nova Hellkite aggro decks are so much easier to deal with than uncounterable hexproof plainswalkers and undying Curiosities.
>>96968475>No need to be contrarian. Avatar had great animation and backgrounds.Demon Slayer and Redline had great animation.Avatar occasionally had perfectly middling animation. The backgrounds were fine but never amazing or exceptional. It was honestly a very ugly show in general.
>>96968467FINALLYBAD ART IN MTGHAS COME FULL CIRCLE
>>96968666I think your standards are skewed, Satan
>>96968671>I think your standards are skewed, SatanShow me one (1) example of Avatar having good animation and I will show you five perfectly middling shows with better animation than that.For something to be good, it must be better than average at least.
>>96968680
>>96968715>Not from the showCool thanks.
>>96968722???
>>96968728You posted something that isn't the show.
>>96968731wdym?
>>96968755Your options were to post the real footage or to not. And you chose to not.
>>96968761what do you mean "not real", it's the production material.
>>96968782>what do you mean "not real", it's the production material.Pretending you don't understand only makes you look like an idiot.
>>96967599Life gain is a terribly outdated nothingburger of a mechanic at this point. I sincerely pity mono white players because they have fucking nothing. They have no recovery, no draw power, no boss monsters no anything. The entire deck is essentially being propped up by ghosts and channeler. If you're consistently losing to life gain you're doing something wrong.
>>96968666I disagree.
>>96968797Substantiate your claim.
>>96968786are you insinuating the keyframe was better than the finished product?
>>96968811It's just good.
cum
>>96968817That is not particularly good. If you take the best animated parts of Avatar, you get maybe 6-7/10 at peak animation and most of the show is 4-5/10.If something is average, it is not good. By definition. Good requires it to be better than average.For reference, the competition is:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3gfvLqUXTshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u4jNSIPzwYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfJ6FGJZKbk
>>96968864You said 5 examples.(Not dissing, I just enjoy animation)
>>96968864I think your personal perception of "average" is quite above what average actually is.
No one actually cares how well animated Avatar is. Toph, Azula, Jew Dee, etc. are hot and that's what matters.
>>96968893Sorry, I'll hold true to my word.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vloKqx2qGAkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DhH21yxTVA
>>96968903>I think your personal perception of "average" is quite above what average actually is.
>>96968864>>96968946>>>>>5 *middling* showsIt seems your word was not kept
>>96968981Well I, for one, don't think any of those are peak.
>all of a sudden mtg purists malding over spooderman are cool with avatar because it has sexy 15-year-olds on the cardsIs this really what we are as a community, EDHsisters?
>>96968988there is quite a range between "mid" and "peak", wouldn't you agree?
>>96968994Well they're closer to mid than peak. And if you get to pick the very best of Avatar's animation, I get to pick the very best of mid.
>>96969002>>96968994Okay that was a lie though. Redline is closer to peak than mid but the rest are otherwise.
>>96968993Well we know the gameplay isn't gonna be good even in the actual Magic sets. Might as well take your victories where you can
3D assisted animation doesn't count
>comparing theatrical animation to TV animation as if they were equivalent nevermind, your opinion is less than worthless
>>96969035They are, in fact.If someone went out and started calling a Big Mac "Good food" because it's "The best McDonalds burger", that is not a sound opinion to have.
>>96969038NTA but you're retarded. TV and movies have different standards. Not even just in animation but live action too. This is something everyone understands. Standards are often adjusted for context.
>>96969061>NTA but you're retarded. TV and movies have different standards.So do fast food and fine dining.Do you think fast food is good? Because some fast food is better than other fast food.
is this card slept on?2 mana draw 2 in red
>>96967506There are no hi-res masters, those were lost.
>>96969065There is some fast food that is better than others. You can Google this and see people debating over Taco Bell vs. Del Taco or whatever so obviously this shit matters.You are just an autistic faggot. Avatar isn't incredibly well animated but it's good for TV.
>>96969076>There is some fast food that is better than others. You can Google this and see people debating over Taco Bell vs. Del Taco or whatever so obviously this shit matters.Mdiwits lmao.
>>96969074>red is going to have 8 cathartic reunions in standard
>>96969088romantic rendevous is better than cathartic reunion, it isn't a deaddraw if you're hellbent, it's a 2 mana draw 2.
>>96969088>red is going to have 8 cathartic reunions in standard>in a format that was supposed to have Proft'sWE JUST CAN'T TEST CURRENT CARDS WITH FUTURE RELEASES
>>96969087No, retard, you're the midwit.Literally everyone understands that when people say Avatar has good animation they mean it's good for a westoid TV cartoon, not that it's up on the level of Snow White. You then come in and say "Oh yeah? How can it be good if an episode of Avatar produced in 3 weeks isn't on the same level as Redline which took 8 years to make with probably 200 times the budget?" And you think this makes you smart.You are just a retarded, insufferable pseud.
>>96969098>Literally everyone understands that when people say Avatar has good animation they mean it's good for a westoid TV cartoon.Yes but that's like saying McDonalds has good burgers. It's either stupid and wrong, or a statement by someone who has no taste.
>>96969095Only what, 12 sets in Standard? Imagine Vivi with all this shit and 19 sets in Standard end of next year.
Obligatory reminder that Proft's is one of the strongest cards currently in Powered Cube.
>>96969088That's TLE, it won't be standard legal.
>>96969102No one was talking about McDonalds before you. You have now dropped everything to just repeat "b-b-but McDonalds" over and over because the only point you have is some bullshit comparison to something no one was fucking talking about.Sometimes I wish 4chan had IDs because this is the kind of disingenuous faggot shit that should follow a retard like you around forever
>>96969119You are very stupid and incapable of processing language correctly.
>the animation sperg has totally given up and is now just calling everyone calling him out stupid
Counterpoint: terrible animation outnumbers good animation at a nine to one ratio if you're generous.That means "average" animation must be quite bad by definition.
>>96969128>Counterpoint: terrible animation outnumbers good animation at a nine to one ratio if you're generous.>That means "average" animation must be quite bad by definition.That's fair. I can accept that.To retort, in discussions of artistry I think it is safe to simply ignore the chaff and only consider things with some minimum standard of merit.Maybe we have to include "The Magic Voyage" and not-90s Berserk in the list. But we certainly don't have to include Elsa Spiderman Finger Family, at the very least.
>>96969128This. I find it really weird getting up in arms over the quality of children's television from the 2000s when Gen Alpha is effectively consuming the equivalent to beige paste from a tube. As far as I'm concerned, anything beyond that is closer to "peak" than whatever you seem to think is "mid", even if you think the distinction is more relevant.
Why did they put this cool original art of a character many like onto Lightning Strike and then put a low resolution screenshot of her on Lightning Bolt?
>>96969173lmao
>>96969173Because if they did it the other way around, nobody would buy the lightning strike. Now people will buy both.
>>96969187>Now people will buy both.
>>969690742 mana draw 2 just doesn't cut it anymore. It needs to be a 2 mana draw 3+ that always draws you a fatty who will draw another 2+ cards.
>>96968786how ironic
>>96964968>>96965020It is funny how DEI retards have no clue. In search of "inclusivity" they make blacks the villains and make a "good" setting worse by retconing parts of it.>>96968864Super Cube - 2025 chinese animation, slightly better than Avatar in relation of animation. Low episode count and use of 3d and new animation techniques Mob Psycho 100 - 2017-2023(?) animation with medium episode count during season. The same quality of animation as Avatar but with better lines.Memories - A fucking Japanese animation Movie made to go to cinema... Of course it would be better than Avatar. Those guys take almost one year making those. Even Akira is better and Akira is full of hacks. >>96968946Redline - The same shit as Avatar with Slight more contrast. Perfect Blue - Another animation for Cinema...>>96968666Redline don't have better animation than Avatar. It is the same the only diference is that one have more contrast while the other is more "cartoony".Demon Slayer is from 2020+ and besides 3d parts (that are good) it is an average anime.
>>96969383forgot to add one of the few black people in og innistrad.
>>96969383>Redline don't have better animation than Avatar.
>>96969383>Redline don't have better animation than AvatarThis might just be one of the worst takes ever posted on the internet.
>>96969389It genuinely bothers me how WotC are fine with putting black people on a plane where you almost never see the sun from beyond the fog and clouds, yet basically every desert-themed plane/area is exclusively non-whites. The only exception I can think of are the Abzan on Tarkir.
New Bread>>96969505>>96969505>>96969505>>96969505>>96969505
>>96969472I will never not be mad how they appropriated kaldheim
>>96969391>>96969418Talking on animation techniques. They are about the same, at least from the few videos I saw. You can even count how many frames Redline uses by the "shaking" of the animation. The only noticeable diference between them is the high contrast: colors and shadows.Other than that there isn't much improvement over Avatar. Yes it looks good but that is because of the contrast + the HD quality. You can easily pick the key frames and notice the few changing addons to those (that gives the impression of movement) for the background and the 5-6 key frames for characters (12 - 24 when they are talking). It does look good I agree.Meanwhile Avatar have scenes that doesn't repeat key frames (aka: most frames are uniques). Have good movement with depth on scenes and is really fluid.It is no exaggeration to say that Avatar if it was remastered with ai (to make the line work tiner and with less noise) and to add more shadows and more contrast would look the same as Redline.
>>96969553>Talking on animation techniques. They are about the same, at least from the few videos I saw. You can even count how many frames Redline uses by the "shaking" of the animationAnon, it's 100,000 hand drawn frames done over 5 years. Redline is one of the greatest masterpieces in animation ever made.
>>96967305Forrest Gump's was 75, so likely 70 or lower.
This one for my pauper chads: this piece of shit here gotta be the most overrated card that ever played the format. Specially on the decks that choose to run it (mono blue delver and dimir terror)2 copies of Deep Analysis and 2 Compulsive Research are MUCH better then 4 of this overpriced piece of garbage.
>>96959756it is a lesson, you can tutor it from sideboard.I HATE UB. I HATE HASBRO.
>>96960030"we keep refraining to banning entomb, but now there are multiple must have instant win targets to use with it"how about stop printing broken creatures?huh? retards.
>>96971647because that doesn't sell product, obviously
>>96971346That card is almost-literally just a tapland. It's a charge of 1 mana to play a land drop one tempo later. Its primary ability is just fetching a land, which thins the deck and lets you probabilistically see more spells per turn. The tutor also has bonus utility with terror's other cards, it allows you to shuffle away chaff you topdecked after brainstorming, or you can play it on your upkeep after the delver trigger to decline drawing the card you just peeked at. Its main ability is just there for ultra-lategame, when there's tons of mana on the board already. Any other time, I'd much rather have a tapland than a 4 mana draw 2. Sorry you're just bad at the game, hope you enjoy your dead cards in hand.
