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>>96965084Artistic cohesion index is calculated by dividing the percentage using the most common style by the amount of art styles used, rounded down. The highest possible score is 100. The second highest is 49. Your CYOA used five art styles for nine pictures, the most common one having three. Its ACI is 6.Most possible builds in this CYOA will not use options with the same art style.
>>96965084HUSANON! I need new lolikeno waifu CYOAs. Please hurry!
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>>96965185
>>96965179Sweet irony.
>>96965185Luvyna > Valierie
>>96965196
>>96965210
Post Danmachi. Do it.
>>96965179Thank you ACIanon
>>96965219
If anyone posts danamchi their dick shrinks by an inch
>>96965238
>>96965084>Tokslop as OPThis is a tok thread isn't it?
>>96965230>dude math is magic>dude she’s a genius We can’t trust a woman’s math. Count it again!
>>96965249
>>96965251Women are smarter than men and that’s a scientific fact
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>>96965272
>>96965264I like women that are taller, smarter, physically stronger and nice to me
>>96965282
>>96965238Luck >>>
>>96965295
>>96965290>mommyfag is back do you have a humiliation fetish anon?
>>96965305no. Should I?I am also not into mommies. I like women my age or a little younger/older. Mom age makes me think about my mother and that makes any erection disappear
>>96965304This cyoa would've been 700% times better if Cazzo was a girl.
>>96965157Artistic cohesion index is calculated by dividing the percentage using the most common style by the amount of art styles used, rounded down. The highest possible score is 100. The second highest is 49. Your CYOA used two art styles for five pictures, the most common one having four. Its ACI is 40.
>>96965319It would've been 1000% times better if there was no designated protagonist who's more important than you.
>>96965084I wish magic and shit was real
>>96965327
>>96965319Let me guess, to groom her?
>>96965343
>>96965316Well from your preferences it can be deduced that you love to coddled like a toddler which is trait common amongst mommyfags. Age doesn't really matter in this case, its purely about the desire to babied by a dominant female.
>>96965367Ranking of love options?
>>96965367
>>96965351What? no, I would love and cherish her purely platonically- of course I would fuck her nigga, what kind of question is that?
>>96965358But I am not particularly into dominant women. Just that they are nice to me
>>96965379
>>96965386>I like women that are taller, smarter, physically stronger than mesure...
>>96965394
>>96965403
>>96965290I wish there were women who were taller stronger and smarter then me and also nice to me
>>96965402That's the thing. I like them to be strong and smart. But not to be dominant. Just like... if you had to choose would you choose someone better or worse than you? Ideally I think almost anyone would choose someone better.Also so my kids could have better genes
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>>96965339That's a pretty good piece, artistically. Magic doesn't have cute girls but some of the other stuff is nice sometimes.
>>96965304Made for molestation
>>96965421
>>96965426read >>96965382
Post Mushoku TenseiPost Fairy TailPost DanmachiPost Harry Potter Post ALL that author’s slop why don’t you Fucking faggots
>>96965430
>>96965372AeliaAnesidoraSerceKatlaTemaFosDeliaMiaVitaAgatheThis is the canon best wife ranking
>>96965449
>>96965441Reverse Psychology?
>>96965441I ought pin you to a tree and leave you there all day
>>96965316>Mom age makes me think about my mother and that makes any erection crystallize*FTFY
>>96965319The irony in that would have destroyed the world.
>>96965415>I wish there were women who were taller stronger and smarter then me and also nice to me
>>96965493Blows my mind that people think Kiritsugu is a cool or mature character when in reality he’s just some pretentious edgelord who thinks he’s doing the right thing when he’s just not.
>>96965493>he doesn't want women to be nice to himyeah i think you really are a gay nigga
>>96965503This but for Anon
>>96965325That would make it a good cyoa, we can't have that.
>>96965503The opening prologue for F/Zero literally says that he’s a huge fucking cringe ass dumbass. The only part that’s unrealistic is how he gets away with everything. He only won against a certain mage because that certain mage was an idiot.
>>96965441Cute attempt danmarat, the answer is still no though.
>>96965493My mother is shorter then me, weaker then me, and hasn't been smarter then me since I was like 10I want to fuck YOUR mother, and your sister, and someday if you have one your daughter too
Kiritsugu. The edgelord that edgelords don’t think is an edgelord. “Oh the pain”.
>>96965503>>96965533It's not just the prologue, Angra/the Grail more or less call him a fucking moron too at the end.
>sacrifices wife for no reason >this is a good person lol
>>96965571He's not a good person, the entire point, the ultimate mistake Kiri made, was no devoting everything to saving his wife and daughter rather than being willing to sacrifice them for some 'greater good'. The point is that Kiritsugu's massive mistake is the same one Shirou managed to realize and avoid in Heaven's Feel.
>>96965560This was actually somewhat painful to read
So why are we arguing with thin air about Kiritsugu again?
>>96965415>Not all of them are nice to you>But one is, and she's the tallest and the strongest
>>96965590No. The point is Kiritsugu could not think critically to save himself the embarrassment. He went out of his way to make poor decisions. He’s not a smart person. It’s incredibly unrealistic that he’s as skillful as he is.
>>96965601Some dude is triggered by anons liking women even if they're superior to them in some way. It violates what he considers the natural order.
>>96965610
>>96965611>Nuh uh the point is MY feelings about the work and not the actual intent behind the author's writingShut the fuck up you english associate's level retard.
>>96965601Mommyfags seething at being called out.
>>96965618
>>96965610>Only use horizontally narrow slices of your pics.Insanity.
You can’t make everyone happy. A five year old will realize this incredibly early. The sheer logistics make it impossible. As >>96965560 points out (rather cringely), all happiness comes at the expense of SOME thing. Even the dye to your shirt is from crushing bugs for pigments, or ripping out flowers out of the ground. To eat potatoes you have to kill potatoes. This extends to being rich, and abusing your subjects for infrastructural (“greater good”) gain. Kiritsugu has the brain of a four year old. He wasn’t even smart enough to realize that the grail is a trap.
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>>96965624He’s an idiot anon. Only edgelords who think he’s mature and realistic think he’s a good character.
>>96965610Alternatively...
Kiritsugu and Kotomine sitting in a tree~
It’s fucked up how a goblet is a cup and not a tiny goblin
Fate is so ass. God you all suck.
Holy Offtopic Batman!
fateGODS are BACK baby
>>96963490>>96963500>>96963503>>96963572>>96963665>>96963719Taken in aggregate, it looks like there's a slight leaning toward Survival CYOAs, but much less anons have them as their favourite compared to either Combat CYOAs or Waifu CYOAs. Fascinating. I'll think it over for a few days.>>96963521I prefer button mashers, myself.>>96963748In my mind, a Combat CYOA is one that derives most of its context from setting the player against a target, usually in a sealed arena or violent predicament. A few examples of this are Peil's Space Hell, MiCha's Isekai Bounty Hunt, and that neat one where you're sent to slay a shapeshifting monster on a Greek island, but I forget what its name is now. They tend to have some overlap with Survival CYOAs but not always.
>>96965715Can I report this?
>>96965537At least post the other three.
>>96965723Do you really need to ask, anon?
>>96965647>He's an idiotYes, for the reasons I described.
>kiritsugu = anti-mommyfagkotomine = pro-mommyfag?
kiritsugu had a wife and a kid. You all should strive to be like him
>>96965741He’s an idiot because the writer thought he was smart but the writer was an idiot so what he did was he actually wrote a fictional idiot.
All the so called “amazing” characters in Fate are huge retards/jobbers just like Gil
>>96965769Gil got the baddest bitch in cyoag. He won
Ffs, at least post a fate cyoa so we can pretend this is on topic.
>>96965764>Me am hate writer!No one cares, senpai.
I’d rather discuss rats
>>96965795Why can’t you admit that type moon writing is shit? Nasu is a huge homo.
>>96965793post DoaDL please so I can make a mommy build>captcha M0MXV
>>96965723What's the crime?Art?A splendid japanese Art?
>>96965723you can report anything, anon
>>96965264You got the stats upside down anon, men make up the majority of the highest and lowest in the intelligence spectrum, and on average have 5 more IQ points regardless of testing criteria.By every measure except emotional intelligence, men are generally smarter than women. Biggest issue is that there are also more terminally retarded men than women.
give me a list of cyoag approved waifus
>>96965847>Maron from Dragon ball>Shera from How not to summon a demon lord>Rias from Highschool dxd>Mikoko Sakazaki from Kaiji>Aro from Tg>Angel from Tg
>>96965787The baddest "bitch" in question is a man.
>>96965858>literally who list
>>96965824And you, sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?
>>96965843>Biggest issue is that there are also more terminally retarded men than women.While true, women are still the more insufferably stupid.
>>96965884I put the source in the same line as the character
Nanite
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>>96965290I like women that are vulnerable and manipulable so I can easily dominate them while also being much more powerful than me bonus points if they are yandere for me.
>>96965992that's... pretty sad. Likely from a complex of inferiority
>>96965813>post DoaDL please so I can make a mommy buildDawn of a Demon Lordhttps://imgchest.com/p/wl7lkgzmo4x
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>>96965290I like women who grant me omnipotence, or at least invulnerability/unagingness/teleportation.
>>96965455>Agathe lastGay?
>>96965847>Elspeth from everything>Charlotte from Outer Reincarnation>Narra-chan from Animus>Polaris from Hearts Adrift>Dido from Blood Magic>Zynthia from Dragonfall>Anglerfish from Anglerfish>Pasille from Pokemon Personified Plus>Yazata from JRPG Traitor>Bloom from Entropist>(You) from multiplayers
>>96966040No, she is pretty but also would be the least likely to romance you (less points), the one that would care the least from a personal viewpoint (less points). It's a killer that cares little about anything else (less points). She likely won't cook or do chores. She could threaten you at some point. All of that balance she being the strongest option, but waifu wise? not muchIf you had to choose only one to love, the majority of people would not choose her, and the ones that would, would be mainly because of her powers.
>>96966046Is that just the most powerful waifus in each?
>>96966007Once Exalted Conquest drops, I wonder what percentage of anons are going to pour all of their rewards in making their waifus stronger.
>>96966046Add Lady Telling (Are You Still In Pain) and replace Charlotte with SRTR.
>>96966007Sure but with my super powerful waifus under me I don't care
>>96966046>Charlotte from Outer ReincarnationThanks for reminding me of everyone trying to redeem Charlotte while also fating her to kill her daughter
>>96966025This is definite proof CYOAs are real, as the Danmachi poster obviously is living out a build of this.
>>96966068Not really, otherwise you'd see SRTR, D, Alta, etc.
>>96965992>>96966007I don't like how much I have in common with this anon
Anglerfish is mine
>>96966086I am pretty sure Gift wise Falista is stronger than Alta at her peak. And that the strongest Gift period is Bloom in her real form
>>96966074I guess in escapismland its okay. But irl it isn't. I hope you get better.>>96966090 and this anon too
>>96966096Sure. Enjoy your eldritch horror waifu.
You only hate Danmachi because your build is a low level weakling
>>96966070Depends on the mechanics and amount of points. It should be a viable tactic until certain point if the waifus are like in Entropist and can really carry you.But against the endgame boss I doubt you can win with that. I imagine to defeat the Hound you also need personal power
>>96966108
>>96966086I would put Charlotte above SRTR.>>96966097The author said this>Another thing that was asked is a 1v1 tier list, but that's difficult to make. Gifts are summoned with zero souls, so a base Koryuu would lose in such a situation to Elaine simply because she would have no souls to use her abilities. There are many factors to consider, and do not account for other tactical usages a Gift could have. Rule of thumb: Alta wins. With proper support Falista is the strongest, and the one that could let you fight opponents much more powerful than you by helping her "ramp up". Koryuu is to guarantee victories and solve seemingly impossible problems. Say you encounter some super egregore mage that has an ability like Wonder of U plus some extra magic bullshit on top. You could count on Koryuu to beat him (if she has stolen enough abilities).
>>96966105Be careful anon I also enjoy GTA I'm insane like that.>>96966090Don't worry bro here we can indulge in fantasy
>>96966074>over time anon grows relatively weaker compared to his waifus>eventually he's just an attachment on them... like an anglerfish male
>>96966123Author said that SRTR steamroll everyone else.
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>>96965847Laheera Rose from Rise the Endless Desert (posted somewhat recently) is one of my favorites. Strong, powerful and beautiful, but still feminine and kind. Also everyone is a bit sub or dom and it sucks that men get criticized for being either (if you are dom you are an evil exploiter, if you are sub you are a weakling).
>>96966145...Why is there so much metaphysical fishes anyway?
>>96966123>The author said thisI am aware. That comment started the "Big 3"And it also confirms Falista is the strongest at her peak.Bloom is not counted, but logically she should be here. After all she:1. It's immortal. No ifs or buts. Can't be killed.2. If her real form gets cracked, which needs apocalyptic levels of damage, the Bloom from inside gets out and does the equivalent of a magical nuke. Then enters again and regenerates.3. She has 3 "forms". The perfect one being slightly below average for a gift. The real Bloom form that is stronger than the perfect form and uses spiritual attacks and the cracked form, that as I said its an immortal nukeEA probably ignored her in this situation as Bloom is a gift only in name, as her nature makes her the only Gift not created by the Father, nor from your soul, and breaks several rules of the Gifts. Also, trying to scale an immortal nuke should be difficult. But logically she can't lose against other gifts.
>>96966139Oh really? Well in raw power I believe it easily, with Charlie not being a real goddess and the other two not really being about fighting, but I would think Charlie with prep is stronger, considering she forced her to hide in her toybox.
>>96966163She only lost because they were in a forum argument.
>>96966139That's not what he saidHe said she'd beat Charlie's ass if she'd tried the usurpation thing on her, and YMDR would just dodge it. It really could have only worked on JNPL.
>>96966138More like a lion enjoying being served by his pride of juiced up lionesses.
>>96966168>couldn't win against her Matterfag variantI guess it's time to change god.
>>96966111Potential > levels
>>96966179The lion is still bigger than the lionesses. I am pretty sure anon would be 10x smaller than his waifu
>>96966160>The real Bloom form that is stronger than the perfect form and uses spiritual attacksWhen was this stated? I remember him always being extremely vague about what was up with the "real" bloom, same for the "flower".
>>96954059Finished my build for Ultimate Grimoire, only took 2 threads. No Companions because they all suck, not enough waifus
>>96966156It's the same one stalking (You).>Goldfish is the infant stage where it doesn't need to feed yet.>Anglerfish is young adulthood where hunger supercedes everything else.>Glowfish are the twilight years, with the aforementioned fish mellowing out.>Jellyfish is their 'dead state' where the ego, sentience and whatever else is gone. It will go through the cycle again.
>>96966217So it’s an immortal polyp. Got it.
>>96966202In her description. Cocoon Bloom, or as I call her, real Bloom, gains speed, strength etc... as she loses the ideal form. And her attacks gain precision and become spirit imbued.
>>96966217The famed Ouroboros waifu...
The deep black abyss is a truly magical, horrifying place
>>96966235We expected her...
>>96966191Not really I dislike big women or gigantesses.They would be more powerful supernaturally but I would still be bigger physically and psychologically.
>>96966217how the fuck are you supposed to romance that shit
>>96966255First, you compliment something you like about her. Like her eyes or smile! I know anons can give you the rest of steps.
>>96966242Squid cyoa when?
>>96966230Ah, forgot the spiritual attacks, just remembered the immense resistance, strength and the apocalypse if she was cracked, anyway I doubt the cocoon is the real bloom, considering how often EA referred to her as "the cocoon" rather than Bloom, and how wanting her to show her true nature, like protocol fulcrum did, makes something within her start bubbling.
>>96966260>Anons>talking to w*men
Squids are jerks. Octopuses and cuttlefish are nicer.
The reason some anons hate waifuchad battle harems is because they know that's much more optimal as a force multiplier than their selfish all power for me builds.They intrinsically know the waifuchad defeats them.
>>96966284That obviously depends on the cyoa but I think it's rare? Usually companions are overpriced not underpriced when considered purely in terms of utility.
>>96966284False, the true reason is that hiding behind a woman in a fight is pathetic.
>>96966264It's simply how I call her. I guess if we want to be right about it, it would beShell Bloom: your ideal versionCocoon Bloom: the OG version of Bloom that we seeReal Bloom: the impossible being inside Cocoon Bloom that goes out when Cocoon Bloom is cracked, causes a catastrophe and goes inside again. This version, by the way, can't become stronger than she already is. Which means even from an ancient Gift view, Cracker Bloom is still an apocalyptic entity. Which confirms her origin is a being of supreme strength.>I doubt the cocoon is the real bloom, considering how often EA referred to her as "the cocoon" rather than BloomYeah, Cocoon Bloom is like her suit. A suit that nerfs her and that scales with your power.>and how wanting her to show her true nature, like protocol fulcrum did, makes something within her start bubbling.And it actually is something Bloom doesn't like. She does not want for you to become obsessed with her Cocoon form, or anything. She wants to make you happy using her ideal form. EA talked how Bloom would be happier if you just take her to see things and live experiences with her, she doesn't want the approach of Protocol Fulcrum.
>>96966284Or perhaps they wanted an all-or-nothing duel with you atop of a burning church with cheesy one liners. Fighting your groupies instead devalue the battle.
>>96966312Bloom will be real and Bloom will be happy.
>>96966314>The sky tells me... yes... it will be a Bloodbath! Prepare yourself Dark Sovereign, my eternal rival!>Wait... yes, Alta, Drace, go fight him. I will be watching it>Bro... our duel?
>>96966282>cuttlefish ravioli ravioli
>>96966328don't lewd the loli
Ahem. In nature, a human with prep time and resources can solo any animal on earth. This implies that sufficient intelligence beats even sufficient brawn. This doubly implies that cunning casters > moronic martials.
>>96966324Some people would be more hurt by this than cheating unironically.
>>96966312The problem with Bloom is that my ideal partner would never tolerate rivals.
>>96966335Martials are more intelligent, that's why they have access to weapons. Casters just means everyone else, so they are less intelligent on average.
>96966335Look mom I posteded it again xd
>>96966338Thats on you
>>96966337Who?
>>96966343Who do you think makes the weapons, retard? Who do you think invents the latest models, retard? Who do you think heads industry, retard? Who do you think funds them, retard?
>>96966347You'll recognize them right away based on how insistent they are on not letting women come between your "brawls".
>>96966338If you find it a problem that she wouldn't tolerate rivals, then your ideal partner would tolerate rivals.That's the thing about Bloom, anything she does in her ideal partner form, is something you really wished she would do. Not just think once or twice, something you really wished.Which is why I doubt you would wish for her to do something you call a problem.
>>96966358>seething this hard lol
>>96966338Just take lonely with the lesser tier, so the other are your subordinates without any feeling involved.
>>96966338You don't know your ideal. She auto turns into it without any input from you. For example, if you were tok, she would turn into a futa dragon that looks like his cousin.
>>96966358Tinkers. Not casters.
>>96966335
>>96966376Machines and gadgetry have always been associated with wizards, anon. It’s very weird how you don’t know that.
>>96966387>Still coping about his shit answerlmao, you lost
>>96966390Higher learning = magic/wizardry So sayeth the Greeks and the Persians
>>96966387the most famous wizard ever. A dwarf with a bomb
>>96966387>Machines and gadgetry have always been associated with wizardsDamn, humans with no magic are wizards?! You are so smart.
>>96966390Anon, you know the caster side will always move the goalpost and try to make everything in a wizard, as the argument by itself make no sense.
>>96966397Black powder was discovered by Chinese alchemists throwing random shit into pots this is true. And we all know the Chinese are short.
>>96966374I am surprised Tok didn't pick her. You would expect Tok to pick the most pleasurable option.I guess he fumbles even that
>>96966405Please update your history so you don’t make yourself look so ignorant.
>>96966416He can't even be bothered to be consistent in his degeneracy
>>96966374But I do know my ideal.
>>96966409>no magic is what I say it is!You’re hilarious. You don’t know what magic is. You still don’t know how one sided it is.
>>96966063You just need to help her channel her killer instincts into something positive for you.
>>96966416>>96966425He also failed to take power word, so Entropistanon when giving him a walk blessed mentioned he couldn't be a dragon as his blessing.
Wizard.
>>96966424We are obviously talking about real magic, but you already knew that. But good job pretending to be retarded.
>>96966362If she tolerated them, then I wouldn't respect/love her.
>>96966449Real magic? What do you mean by real magic? You need to actually clarify yourself here. One could argue that magic can’t even exist in fiction since it’s just a point of view. :^)
>>96966306Not really they are almost always portrayed as close peers.The best warrior in the world would be defeated by an army of his close peers.>>96966310Then powerfags don't actually care for actual power but about looking powerful?
>>96966462No u
>>96966374>For example, if you were tok, she would turn into a futa dragon that looks like his cousin.Thanks for the laugh anon.
>>96966465>Then powerfags don't actually care for actual power but about looking powerful?You know it to be true
>>96966456Then if you also don't respect/love the other gifts... just do as >>96966370 says. That way your ideal has no rivals
I always thought that dwarves deserved to be the bigger wizards than the elves.Dwarves should be more academically inclined than the elves to account for their insane underground architectures and surprisingly modern-ish industry bases. They clearly have sophisticated levels of scientific inquiry, and they're clearly more knowledgeable and advanced than any other race when it comes to this in most typical fantasy settings. It is 100x more impressive to hollow out the inside of a mountain. They’ve started the goddamn Industrial Revolution. The thing that put the white man ahead of everyone else. Meanwhile elves live in tree forts or something. Also they’re stagnant just like China. Dwarves practically -need- magic to justify their very existence. You don't just shape earth like clay and pretend magic is gay and not manly.Dwarves also have, y'know, BEARDS. What are wizards known for?
https://imgchest.com/p/xny85pezdyb
>>96966498>t. manaless manlet
>>96966465It's not about appearances, it is about principles. A waifu is a woman you love more than any other, someone you hold close and care about, the feminine to your masculine, the yin to your yang, the whetstone to your sword. Any man that would expect his woman to fight for him in his stead is a weak and cowardly faggot.
>>96966469You are laughing at the idea of Tok's ideal partner? Shame on you, don't kink shame
>We falseflaging nowboring
Dwarves and elves were the same race in old enough European lore. Dark elves WERE dwarves. Elves that lived in the dark underground.
And Succubi are just vampires who were already demons. Who cares. No one follows medieval lore.
>>96966520average OC-less thread
>>96965229that's just tok
>>96966498Except elves are better and more advanced craftsmen than the dwarves. The best things, the actual top 1% magical McGuffins and artifacts? Those are elf stuff. Dwarves are more industrial, but you know who else is industrial? orcs! Industry is just about scale and standardization, not advancement. Dwarves are close minded and conformist, stagnant and clannish. Theyre industrious, but it doesent take brains to sit there mining stone with a pickaxe.
>>96966264By the way, what do you think a child with Bloom would be like? what traits would the kid inherit from her?Would the child be "ideal" like her? would it be born as a cocoon? inherit something from the cocoon form? inherit traits from her ideal self? could bloom decide if its a boy or girl?
>>96966574She can't have kids. Sorry.
Are there even many "traditiona; /tg'/ fantasy cyoa"? It feels like we get more anime/jrpg inspired esoterica nowadays. More fox-people and demon-clan and less orcs, dwarves and elves.
>>96966574I think it would inherit from the "ideal" her, possibly mantaining some small hint of his mother's true nature, just like Bloom's imitation isn't completely perfect.
>>96966611
>>96966611Westernslop sucks. Deal with it
>>96966620>>96966622Not going to argue it doesent, but whats the point of bringing up generic !dnd-ish complaints in this thread when theres very few traditional western fantasy cyoa.
>>96966548>Except elves are better and more advanced craftsmen than the dwarvesDisagree there. >The best things, the actual top 1% magical McGuffins and artifacts? Those are elf stuff. Depends on the setting. In most fantasy I’ve come across the elves are a lot less technologically advanced. >Dwarves are more industrial, but you know who else is industrial? orcs! . The Chinese are also industrial. Orcs are equivalent of Muslims given technology. >Industry is just about scale and standardization, not advancementI’m just going to ignore this stupid comment. I pray you’re not that stupid. Industry and infrastructure doesn’t just pop up out of a vacuum. Assuming that orcs or Africans could come up with that on their own is absurd. >Dwarves are close minded and conformist, stagnant and clannishThey are absolutely not stagnant in the areas that matter. They are frequently the ones pushing science/technology forward. For some reason the only aspect of nature that isn’t considered… is magic. >Theyre industrious, but it doesent take brains to sit there mining stone with a pickaxe.Okay maybe you are that stupid. Please watch An Empire of Dust. “It’s all so tiresome.”. A China man shaming blacks in Africa for sucking at infrastructure.
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>>96966586All of them can.>>96966616I wonder how that would be. Maybe the kid when it grows up becomes hyperfixated in someone like their mother? or develop an obsessive love to their father like their mother? not sexual.The result of such union would be the most weird of all gifts by far.
RACISM ALERTRACISM ALERTRACISM ALERT
>>96966548>it doesent take brains to sit there mining stone with a pickaxeExplain why blacks never invented the wheel :^)
>>96966649Nick Gears
>>96966646
>>96966510So it is about appearence.Power cares little for pride the optimal path to power wins.
>>96966611>>96966620>>96966632>>96966646Criminally underrated cyoa and I’m tired of pretending otherwise. Fuck you.
>>96966611Anime website.
>>96966674
>>96966676Is about made up stuff in your mind, just like literally everything else on this general.
>>96966648>Maybe the kid when it grows up becomes hyperfixated in someone like their mother?Literally me...
Everyone in not!medieval fantasy is stuck in the 15th century but for some reason the only race that isn’t are the dwarves - who are instead stuck in the 18th century / industrial revolution as anon said.
>>96966685>>96966682And this is the warhammer/dnd board.
I AM THE BONE OF MY SWORD
If the white man never went to Africa we could have had Wakanda. Think about that.
>>96965319would you like a girl to be called cock?
>>96966690correct that's why I humiliate powerfags when they start talking down to others
>>96966693literally you as you are that someone or you are hyperficated in someone?
Someone post the Zimbabwe video
>>96966704Is Wakanda the funniest fictional invention of the last century? I really think it is. You would get fired for saying that movie sucked.
>be Japan>laughed at by China for centuries >”y tho :(“>be China>refuse to adopt Westernization >get fucked by Westerners>be Japan>adopt Westernization >become first world power It will always be funny to me
Are there any good racing CYOAs?
>>96966733Japan and China are the Britain and France of Asia.
>>96966747And who are we... sar?
>>96966734There was an extremely long and effortful one that got less than five builds. I'll post it for you if I can find it here in an hour or so, though I warn you, it is not to everyone's taste.
>>96966679It’s on the list of matterkike’s approved cyoas and so I refuse to read it =\
>>96966633>Disagree there.Who made the Silmarils? Elves or dwarves? Who made the rings of power? Elves or dwarves?Its never the ancient dwarven super-artifact you have to find is it? >. In most fantasy I’ve come across the elves are a lot less technologically advanced.Which is irrelevant to who makes the more powerful magical artifacts. "dwarves have basic firearms" isnt going to change that its the elvish moonstone you need to find to close the portal to the demon-realm or whatever. >The Chinese are also industrial.Irl? Every developed nation is industrial, we exist post industrial revolution anon. >They are absolutely not stagnant in the areas that matter.Theyre stagnant in every area, they sometimes (not always) develop rudimentary black powder weapons or steam power before they stagnate. >They are frequently the ones pushing science/technology forwardLike in warcraft? Oh wait thats goblins and gnomes. Warhammer? Oh wait that ones humans. Lord of the rings? Oh wait that ones sauron and saruman. Dwarves are not generally particularly advanced. Theyre simply industrious because they have easy-ish access to raw materials because the live in mountains that they constantly mine. They make a lot of stuff because they >Please watch An Empire of DustA documentary about how infrastructure decays in post colonial africa? Im sure thats very relevant to whether dwarves swinging pickaxes for long enough (which is what you actually need to carve out a mountain) requires particular advancement>>96966664But they did, Kush had chariots. Chariots use wheels. But thats also entirely irrelevant to "it doesent take brains to sit there mining all day"
>>96966763One has to wonder how Gil of all people entered that thing’s good graces.
>>96966763Catfag approved of it? I was not aware of that.
>>96966774because the matterfag - like everyone else - didnt bother to read the gilshit and simply projected what they wanted to see onto it
>>96966633>>96966766>t. matterbitch samefagging again
>>96966766>. They make a lot of stuff because theyhave lots of metal ore. Not because theyre masters of the sciences.
>>96966766>Who made the Silmarils? Elves or dwarves? Who made the rings of power? Elves or dwarvesOh. Lord of the Rings. In that one the elves actually are technologically superior because they’re based on sufficiently advanced art is indistinguishable from magic logic. Same as the Dwemer(elves named dwarves) from the Elder Scrolls. They’re (the Dwemer) the most accurate take on Tolkien elves to date. Tolkien wrote the elves as representative of what he wanted us to be, while Mordor is applicable (not an allegory) to the abuses of man-made industry. Orcs are human in essence, not in-setting. The elves can work nature in ways other races just can’t. Magic in middle-earth is a matter of perception, skill and art, not glowing blue energy. >Which is irrelevant to who makes the more powerful magical artifactsNah, it’s not irrelevant. The elves aren’t making inventions and breakthroughs that will radically alter the world the way the white man did. They are, as you say, lazy macguffin makers. >its the elvish moonstone you need to find to close the portal to the demon-realm or whateverThis sounds like Dee en Dee slop. The most powerful nation of magic in the FR was a civilization of magi-tech users who could hop dimensions and trap cosmic horrors capable of eating the entire FR setting, into crystals, as a sort of Cold War threat against the gods. The elves had to resort to far more hoops just to depower a god. The imaskari could bind and trap a god more powerful than Ao. Granted they weren’t Dwarven artificers, but human artificers. But the techno-logic is still the same. >Every developed nation is industrial, we exist post industrial revolution anon. I’m pointing out that their isolationist and stagnant ways is what prevented China from reaching their own industrial age, and they can only copy the white man in droves, and never as good. Their shit just blows up randomly.
>>96966679sequel never ever ;^)
>>96966762That's cool. What kind of racing is it, though? Cars? On foot? I'm in the mood for some Mario Kart type shit.
>>96966766>Theyre stagnant in every areaNah. As >>96966694 said, the dwarves could actually push a few centuries ahead in a time where the 15th century is the eternal norm. >Like in warcraft? Oh wait thats goblins and gnomesGnomes and goblins are based on Jews and Gnomes are just dwarfier dwarfs lol. Gnomes and humans are actually better mages than the elves in Warcraft. Gnome mages are Einsteins while humans are the heavy lifters. >Lord of the rings? Oh wait that ones sauron and saruman. Refer to my other post. Because you’re not wrong, in that setting. The elves and the maiar don’t see what they do as magic, it’s just art, or science/nature to them. >Dwarves are not generally particularly advancedI’m ignoring this because it’s wrong. >Theyre simply industrious because they have easy-ish access to raw materials because the live in mountains that they constantly mine.They’ve done what humans in equivalent eras could not. Without magic. Which is why it’s so stupid. >A documentary about how infrastructure decays in post colonial africa? Yes. When the white man leaves the natives take up the reigns. For some reason Africans cannot do this. Asians could. Why not blacks? >But they did, Kush had chariots>KushLol.
>>96966829>The elves aren’t making inventions and breakthroughs that will radically alter the world the way the white man did.Except thats exactly what macguffins do. The crown that summons endless zombies or the scepter of infinite dragon control do a lot more to change the world than someone inventing the blunderbuss. Theyre also just superior craft than the blunderbuss, an example of far more sophisticated capability. >The imaskari could bind and trap a god more powerful than Ao.Buddy Ao is the overdeity of dnd
>>96966783But he did read it. He has typed an essay on it. Too bad Gil never saw it.
>>96966797Repurposing and utilizing ore and metals in such a way requires education and scientific breakthroughs.
>>96966855>the dwarves could actually push a few centuries ahead in a time where the 15th century is the eternal norm.And then sit there forever (thats called stagnancy). Dwarfs get to some point slightly ahead of their neighbors and then stop there, they don't innovate or advance.>Gnomes are just dwarfier dwarfs lolGnomes are the little jewish nerds who make stuff, dwarves are drunk scottish shut-ins who dont. The similarities between them are "theyre both short">Gnomes and humans are actually better mages than the elves in Warcraft>Azshara The greatest human mages were Aegwyn and Medhiv, one of which got her powers given to her by others as a combined effort and the other inherited them from his mom (who had them given to her by others)>I’m ignoring this because it’s wrong.Except it isnt. The extent of "dwarves are advanced" is generally "well they have some black powder weapons while others dont", its literally fucking nothing.>They’ve done what humans in equivalent eras could not.Except they can and did? Humans have carved cities into mountains before. Fucking petra was made by some desert nomads.It doesent take some great advancement or knowledge to do that stuff, it just takes a lot of time and effort. Its like the pyramids, it looks impressive because its big, but the actual skills required are very low. Its just down to manpower. >Yes. When the white man leaves the natives take up the reigns.So not relevant to "it doesent take brains to dig rock" then>>96966876Smelting metal is literally one of the least advanced things. Humans have known how to do it since the bronze age if not earlier.
>>96966865>He has typed an essay on it.anon thats what makes it so funny, the essay has basically no relation to the cyoa in any way
>>96966917>Smelting metal is literally one of the least advanced things. Humans have known how to do it since the bronze age if not earlier.exceedingly retarded thing to say
>>96966611I like anime/jrpg more.
>>96966848I managed to find it! For the Thrill of the Chase is centered around racing back in another world's equivalent of the late 1800s, when diesel engines were first emerging. It has some very interesting mechanics, and it threads them into a storyline unlike many, but something about it didn't take off with anons. Myself, I'm not sure if I like or dislike it, but I respect the author's craft and remember it as a unique CYOA. I hope you like it, anon!>https://imgchest.com/p/ej7mnwz2jyd
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>>96967072If nothing else, I would say it is a very thought-provoking CYOA. It's unfortunate there aren't more racing style CYOAs, especially since it's one of those things that most of us have probably done before IRL, but maybe that's why.
>>96966679>Criminally underrated cyoaWhich is why it gets no builds and is only used for shitposting
>>96967085Yeah, it's kinda cool to see how in-depth it is to what I assume was classic 1900s drag racing. Not my favourite aesthetic, but it could be a cool inspiration for more fantastical racing CYOAs. The war plot twist was also pretty cool.
>>96966284usually I can do both
Boring waiting for OC. What is the newest thing we have gotten? That leddit interactive adaptation of rise of the dark lord? Maybe one of you bums can port some other good cyoas.
Every OC is destined to become slop. Notice how 100% of CYOA posted which got no replies were ignored.
>>96967308>What is the newest thing we have gotten?Tok cyoa
>>96967346Great
>>96966917>And then sit there forever (thats called stagnancy). Centuries ahead of everyone else thobeit. :^)>Dwarfs get to some point slightly ahead of their neighbors and then stop there, they don't innovate or advance.>slightly Inventing guns isn’t a slight occurrence. This is why dungeons and dragons has factions like the Harpers forbidding races like dwarves from creating guns and canons. Because it would shake things up. Dwarves are so advanced they’re the most “watched” race in the setting, lul. >Gnomes are the little jewish nerds who make stuff, dwarves are drunk scottish shut-ins who dontLorewise it’s exactly that, though. Gnomes are hired to design and make the blueprints, but since they’re so few in number the actual construction is done by mostly humans and dwarves. >The similarities between them are "theyre both short"They’re both little bearded people associated with the earth and ingenuity.>The greatest human mages were Aegwyn and Medhiv-Yes. The guardians of Tirisfal. It was a co founded council born of both humans and mages. But the greatest magical nation (which led to the formation of the council of Tirisfal) was founded by humans, not elves. Elves visited the city to learn more about magic. Humans never visited their lands. It’s also canon that humans can summon more magic than the elves, who have more finesse. Elves were downright shocked at how fast the humans could learn it. Warcraft lore is stupid, though. I don’t know what to tell you. >Except it isnt. The extent of "dwarves are advanced" is generally "well they have some black powder weapons while others dont", its literally fucking nothing.I feel like you’re totally unfamiliar with just how far the Industrial Revolution and the Great Divergence placed Europeans way ahead of everyone else.
>>96967334Played this, solved that.
>>96967359>:^)That's it, I'm sick of your shit. I'm calling you emojifag now. Kill yourself.
Matterfag has gotten lazy. He used to have better bait.
>>96967382Obsessed.
>>96966917>Except they can and didShow me Ironforge. >Humans have carved cities into mountains beforeBarely. Lmao. >Fucking petra was made by some desert nomads.Are you really comparing cliff holes and caves dug out of desert aboriginals to fucking Ironforge?>It doesent take some great advancement or knowledge to do that stuff, it just takes a lot of time and effort. …That’s called advancement. You’ll need better tools eventually to do things you’re previously unable to do. >It’s like the pyramids, it looks impressive because its big, but the actual skills required are very low. It’s just down to manpower. Still not Ironforge. Also the pyramids were built by humans who were given high tech tools by ancient aliens. >So not relevant to "it doesent take brains to dig rock" thenBlacks could never start an Industrial Revolution. They can barely develop their own languages. The further south you go the dumber they become. >Smelting metal is literally one of the least advanced thingsChina’s early ability to make cast iron is frequently hailed as one of their areas of forte in ancient times. Damascus steel was seen as a form of magic and it even inspired Valyrian steel in Game of Thrones. Same with Greek Fire inspiring Wildfire. These were all seen as magic because they were so advanced.
>>96965847i disapprove of all premade waifus, either make your own or you don't really love her
>>96967382>OC became slop>arguments became slop>shitposter became slopYou're next.
>>96966948Are those dragon worshiping cunts not a Church by any other name? Is black magic not a go-to to refer to literally any form of magic that isn’t white magic?
>>96967412But then that's my conceptual daughter, not my equal, which makes it uneven and boring.
>>96967359>The guardians of Tirisfal. It was a co founded council born of both humans and mages.And *elves (but also politicians of other races scared of demonic incursion)
>>96967416>one step away from buildsloppait's over...
>Also the pyramids were built by humans who were given high tech tools by ancient aliens.Jeet madness
>>96967416Syndrome would be so proud.
>>96966014Nta>XANA, lord of gifts>MutationsFangs, Horns, Demonic Features>BASIC ABILITIES:ImmortalityTerritoryStatus ImmunitySummon Demon CoreCreation and RemovalMatter ManipulationBulwark>STATSAttack Power: 6Special Power: 12Combat Speed: 12Movement Speed: 12Health: 8Toughness: 6Resistance: >AbilitiesDisguiseElemental MagicIllusion MagicTeleportationScryingMagic EyesClone (x1)Unique abilities (Revive)>DPU generationDeath>MinionsArcaneFamiliarOrcMimicWitchElven DruidDominatorLichFallen AngelFairy Queen>Core GuardianAlice>Demon Core UpgradesCustom MinionsTerritory EnhancementLesser Demon CoreIncarnation Circle>TrapsPitfall TrapGas TrapTeleporter TrapFalse Demon Core>ServantsDwarven CraftsmenAlraune ApothecarySpirit Enchanter>STARTING WORLD:Scar: The Eternal BattlegroundI plan to make my base on an extremely far away part of the world, on one of the poles and underwater, develop inside, with less belligerant orcs created by my secondary demon core, teleporting invisible with my illusions and the mimics immunity to be localized to harvest corpses, both as undead fodder and to feed my demon core. I plan to start terraforming my area to make it more compatible to life in secret, while creating servants to create resources to prepare and gift to people I like, or to bargain the loyalty of people I find interesting, together with other offers, like eternal life or resurrection of their loved ones. In the meantime I will prepare to summon Grim, and then Seraphina.When the situation becomes too dangerous I will planeswalk away, leaving behind me a more livable land and various treasures.Alice will be set up in a trapped room with gas, or a flooded one, as she doesn't need to breath.
>>96966611Going for a sort of hit and run skirmisher build. The type that harries the edges of large battles or waylays small convoys of enemy soldier's. Disrupting their supply lines and what have you.Just not sure if I should dump the Soldier Levy's for something else. They're mainly here to bolster my numbers.Contenders for replacements are:>Wildermen>Stalkers>Knights of Turin>More Cold-WraithBackground: New Blood3 Allies80 Req30 Special30 PersonalCombat Abilities:- Combat Training I&II- Strategy I- Combat Riding - Ranger- WhirlwindSpells:- Eyes of Akasha- Cloak of Mists- Breath of WinterAllies:- Fianna McKuen- Darnath Anaxilias- It that CameUnits:- Vedyma (20) M: Average R: Very Difficult N: 6 C: Weak D: Good Special: Blood of the Ice Witch- Wild Hunters (25) M: Fast R: Very Difficult N: 10 C: Very Strong D: Very Good Traits: Ranger, Stealthy, Mounted, Big Game Hunter- Soldier Levyx2 (20) M: Average R: Average N: 20 C: Average D: Average Special: Phyhrixium Armor- Cold Wraith (15) M: Very Slow* R: Very Difficult* N: 26 C: Very-Weak* D: Very Poor*Banes: - CursedBoons:- Youthful Existence- Lucky- Magic DetectionWarzone: The Siege of DrakeholdCause: ObligationSpoils of War:- Nuptials- Boon of the Pale Lord>>96966679AgreedDo you have a build on hand?
>>96966970Prove it.
>>96966766The Kush aren’t/weren’t black-black. They just aren’t/weren’t.
KILL ALL WOMEN... in cyoas.
>>96967536my mommy would protect me
>>96967540>My mo-ACK
>>96967532The Kushites also acquired their wheels and chariots from the Egyptians. The technology was introduced to Egypt by the Hyksos and subsequently adopted by the Egyptians, who later passed it on to the Kushites during their New Kingdom expansion into Nubia. The further south into Africa you go the less sophisticated you’ll notice the cultures become.
>>96967547Reminds me why China didn't have glass like Europe did, which was because they invented ceramics first and so they didn't have glasses to help their scholars read and write for longer into old age, and so they didn't have glass windows to insulate their houses, and so they didn't have microscopes or beakers from a chemically-neutral material for their alchemy... all because they invented tea before they had wine.TEABEFOREWINE
>>96967547>>96967567We doing wikipedia battles now?
>>96967587Nah it’s very much a discussed topic. The focuses and preferences of various civilizations and cultures leading to different rates and pathways of development is one of the most interesting aspects of humans. China and Rome were contrasting contemporaries for the longest time. And then they both went divergent ways, after their respective tribulations.
>>96967587wikipedia cyoa when?
>>96967587Interesting read:https://erik-engheim.medium.com/did-the-teacup-hinder-chinese-scientific-progress— The argument presented goes something like this: Since the Chinese invented porcelain teacups early, they saw no need to invent glass to have something to drink from. Europeans in contrast didn’t have porcelain, but drank wine rather than tea. Glass is not very well suited for hot tea, but very well suited for temperate red and white wine. With glass, you can see the beautiful color of the wine. Thus, Europeans invented glass for their wine drinking habits. Glass led to lens grinding, which led to spectacles, telescopes, microscopes, beakers, and bottles used in chemistry. In short, glass powered the scientific revolution in Europe and China got left out.
>>96967638I'm sorry to say that you're posting a dead link.
>>96966622>>96966682>>96967001You are all traitors of mankind. The west and it's superior culture is what catapults humanity to the stars.A post scarcity future with alien waifus instead of dystopian subservience to the selfish few.
>>96967536No because some are my daughter wives so I must protect them so that they can fight at my behest.
>>96967638Proof that technology and machine builds >>> nature builds.The yellow man fears glass supremacy.
>>96967658>post scarcityIs this nigger for real?
>>96967669Too much post-apocalyptic media consumption. Wait until they find out that everything is renewable and the energy crisis is manufactured to make money.
>>96967658The west is literally about to fall to either arabs or jews, lmao
>>96967679>The west is literally about to fall to either arabs or jews, lmao>about toWhere is Israel shill when you need him?
>>96966611>Are there even many "traditiona; /tg'/ fantasy cyoa"? It feels like we get more anime/jrpg inspired esoterica nowadays.Quite a few, particularly among the older cyoas. JRPG races are just trendy right now.Fulcrum, Hero Academy, Exiles . . .NSFW cyoas like Divine Trial, Fairy Gardener, and Pantheon of Pleasure . . . There are some that even pull from traditional mythology, if you want to go back to the original source material.
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>>96967678>Wait until they find out that everything is renewable and the energy crisis is manufactured to make money.I agree as far as it is obvious that the attack on nuclear is to fuck up the best energy source available.But let me ask you this: would you let me fuck and impregnate your GF?
>>96967715Yes, if I get to watch and you have superior genetics? Everyone will be happy.
>>96967657Weird. It’s pay walled, anyway. Fucking cunt of a website. “You have to pay for basic knowledge!”. Sickening stuff. https://erik-engheim.medium.com/did-the-teacup-hinder-chinese-scientific-progress-fd55ed9498c8#
>>96967729Cool, can I fuck you?
>>96967051I love this one even though I loathe motor vehicles. Thanks for finding it, I had no idea what the author's name was>Royalty>Adrenaline>Fame>Mathematician>Sprinter>Aggressive>Other (Motorcycle)>Tyre Whisperer>Ruthless>Lucky>Easily Distracted>Wrath>Pride>Consumption>Driver Rivalry>Scandal Magnet>Works>-Ijevorna>Isy Fields>Safety Proponent>Relaxation>Vianne Harton>Prof. Theorod Ongesson>Lawyer x2>Doctor x1>Unstable>Race-Fixing>Dueling Rookies>Mechanics Injured>Buyout Proposal (Bonmarais)>Promise (+2)>Remain>Lynton Brand>Tyres>Suspension>National Sponsors>Cutthroat Environment>Leaked Secrets>Sidelined>General Strike>The Disaster>Victor>Enemy>Stay Out>-Pro-War>--War Racer>Rivals, Again>Traitor Within
>>96967734No, I'm only into watching. That's why I read other builds and self-insert into other Anon's fantasies. It's hot when they pick the bitchy women because I imagine them stepping on me.
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>>96967746Tok...
>>96967638SOME Chinese made glass… and a certain emperor (an ancestor of Puyi; ironically enough Puyi was also forbidden by his own court to wear spectacles commissioned by the British, even though he desperately needed them). commissioned hundreds of spectacles or something like that. It’s just, it didn’t take off…I’m also going to remind everyone that hundreds of years before the alleged “accidental” discovery of black powder, by dabbling alchemists, an even more ancient Chinese alchemist recorded it long before them. Eight hundred years earlier. In a land where Saltpetre was *everywhere*. It was referred to as “Chinese snow” it was so common. It also burned a beautiful purple color. Why didn’t they do more with it? It was legit a magical substance and they waited eight hundred years, probably even longer. Was it some sort of cultural brain fart? So, clearly it’s not an easy thing, to start a trend in ancient China. They were way too stuck in their ways, I suppose?
>>96967746Exactly, post-scarcity is not possible.
no one ever pay attention to my builds, I don't think anyone noticed I made a mistake in my OR build and it was illegal. I'm sad.
>>96967763I’m going to ask chatgpt about this
>>96967772What would be the point of obsessing over the point managment of someone else?You made a build to tell a story. I listened to that story. Little inconsitencies are meaningless.
>>96967776CYOA for that feel?
>>96967777WASTEDFAGGOTKYS NOW
>>96967792Incredibly based>>96967777I'm checking 'em
>>96967763>forbidden by his own courtWhat kind of cuck emperor was Puyi? If I were an emperor and a bureaucrat eunuch tried to forbid me glasses, I'd have had him drawn and quartered. His position must have lacked any serious authority in the dying days of the Qing dynasty.
The anonymous post refers to the fact that the earliest possible reference to a gunpowder-like substance was made by the Chinese alchemist Wei Boyang in 142 AD, which is hundreds of years earlier than the definitive formulas recorded in the 9th and 11th centuries. In his Taoist text, the Book of the Kinship of Three (Cantong qi), Wei Boyang described a mixture of three powders that would "fly and dance" violently, which is interpreted by modern historians as a cryptic description of gunpowder or an early incendiary mixture. At the time, saltpeter was known and produced in the region, supporting this theory. This early mention predates:1. The next reference by the philosopher Ge Hong around 300 AD, who also listed the ingredients in his works, the Baopuzi.2. The first confirmed references to a specific gunpowder formula in the 9th century in the Taoist texts Taishang Shengzu Jindan Mijue and Zhenyuan miaodao yaolüe.3. The earliest surviving complete chemical formula for gunpowder, which appeared in the military manual Wujing Zongyao in 1044 AD.4. The first European reference to gunpowder by Roger Bacon in 1267.
>>96967792Makes sense, sorry for whining.
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>>96967834Hello Surinical.
>>96967803I'm going to ask perplexity about this.
Who the fuck just names themselves Bacon?
>>96967865What's wrong with it?
>>96967769True, there is no scarcity to people with my particular tastes.
>>96967334Fading into the background does not equate to becoming slop. If more people here tried to be creative with their builds instead of powergaming, they would find a lot of enjoyment in older CYOAs. Most over 2 or 3 pages have good replay value, and there are so many that it's easy to play one and forget about it for months or years, then come back with a new idea. I regularly revisit CYOAs that I must have built for over a dozen times. This is also why it's silly not to Sartre at all - with some imagination you can stretch a lot of choices for more interesting results
>>96967876More like post-scarcity can't exist because reality won't allow it.we can't stand in the same place at the same time; most people wouldn't allow anyone to rape them at any moment they please, etc.People will always want things they can't have.
>>96967763Another fun example of this is how the Romans had steam engines.
Maybe you guys could channel your world historical knowledge/research into some OC. I for one would treasure that. Do something about the technological paths not taken
>>96967912Not happening. Otherwise we'd already have at least three physics-based CYOAs. It won't morph into a creative outlet.
>>96967912Only if matterjeeta is a waifu
>>96967921That's a damn shame. The best CYOAs rely on real world patterns, periods, fixations, objects, whatever - not the same old gay horseshit out of anime. I know you can trace that gay horseshit to something real but not without being kind of disingenuous.>>96967942It could be done!
All of this shitposting has given me a flash of inspiration. Thank you, anons, the next few weeks for me shall be busy indeed.
>>96967658based
>>96967897>>96967769>>96967734>>96967715>>96967669>semanticsplease read the definition of post scarcity before you post your retard babble, thanks
>>96967945>not the same old gay horseshit out of animeEverything is old and overdone by now. Anime isn't really that different from the rest - sometimes you get pic related, sometimes you get [JRPG Traitor]. It's not a total loss.That being said, I yearn for something more 'grounded' like [A New Job] or [A Century of War]. Or perhaps one more centered around the vibes like [Not an Adventurer], [Black and White], or [Surviving Your World].Doing the same JRPG dance again and again got tiring. I think Surinical's latest was my last for a while, because the narrators being so out-of-touch with the actual tropes made it fun again.
>>96967912>Do something about the technological paths not takenI could get behind an alternate history colonization of North America. What would colonial wars have looked like between China and the Vikings? Maybe throw the Templars in . . .Actually - while I'm think about it - is Lord Thistlewaite still working on his space colonization cyoa?
>>96967746I just imagine myself getting fuck by other builds and self-inserts.
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>>96968004Post-scarcity is post-scarcity when there is no more want for things.
OC form Reddit
>>96968024>he can't even be arsed to do the most basic research on what he talks aboutinstead of making up your own definitions you could have just googled what you were talking about anon
>>96968027Funny that you post this right after anon was complaining about too much JRPG shit
>>96968027>metashitoutrageousbears never fails to disappoint
>>96968043Ironic timing at its finest.
>>96968019Play Nemesis, then. It's literally all about making pvp builds, and then going after other people's builds.
>>96968047I guess the author really IS a woman
>>96968039So we already live in post-scarcity; I'm so glad.
>>96968009Not everything by any stretch of the imagination, just mass market stuff that can accurately be described as slop. All the CYOAs you just mentioned bring some unique attributes to the table. Look at that anon asking about racing CYOAs - how many of those can you name other than what was posted? I know anime is not the culprit, I just have a particular dislike for most of it because it seems really prone to attracting powershitters. Lots of other things are overdone, as you say. Even those themes could be reinvigorated in combination with fresh elements, though. It's easy for me to assume that all this is the result of anons being boring neckbeards, but then I see people talking about stuff ITT and others and realize it's not the issue. Maybe I shouldn't talk since it's not like I'm releasing OC>>96968014That would be cool. I'm glad of the rich tradition of American alternate histories on /cyoag/, they are pretty diverse although most lean more fantastic than what you're describing
>>96967898>the Romans had steam engines.Maybe I'm in a cranky mood, but I'm not impressed by a civilization having steam engines. They're glorified tea kettles, and if you can keep water at a rolling boil, you can build one. Every Iron Age civilization should have 'em.
>>96968055Nemesis is deep as a puddle. I want smart men and women to romance me.
>>96968058Wo-woman!? l-like men with tits and without dicks!?
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>>96968083Some women have dicks, anon.
Where is Witch Awakening? WHERE IS SHE?
>>96968064>Look at that anon asking about racing CYOAs - how many of those can you name other than what was posted? Chariot and Quadriga, that bicycle one, Night Ride, and the unfinished camel racing one that Sand and ChariotAnon were working on.
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>>96968130Safely posted in Reddit. Go check.
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>>96968132Thanks for those. I wish I could say you fell for my clever ploy but I didn't remember any of those except Night Ride. Still, it's just an example. Undeniably there is plenty of untrod ground in CYOAs>>96966734Check these out
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Oh my I just missed him I can identify his typing patterns anywhere Reeeeeeeeeeee
>>96968228Tok...
>>96968228Not that hard to identify mattersissy
>>96968228Gil…
>>96968228you can't bro.
>>96968228Which "him"?
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>>96968009>Surinical's latest was my last for a while, because the narrators being so out-of-touch with the actual tropes made it fun again.Which one was his latest? Surinical is prolific enough that I've lost track.
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>>96968341Spirit mask is the best right
>>96968336Yes I canI’ve spooked him before“Reveal yourself” he said to me, but I didn’t
>>96968380>Spirit mask is the best rightAre you're willing to die, rather than lose your powers? 'Cause that's the tradeoff with a spirit mask.
Anyone have Tomb, by Lord Thistlewaite, handy? I'm having technical issues.
>>96968389who are you talking about?
>>96968421if you mask gets destroyed by another mask holder, you're pretty much dead anyway
>>96968438Of course, it's one of the neo-classics.
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>>96968455>Of course,Thank you.> it's one of the neo-classicsWhat are the others?
>>96968494There are too many to say in just one post, but I am a big fan of Blademaster.>https://imgchest.com/p/ljyq3van425Esoteric and supernatural, without veering away from a martial feel. I like it a lot. There's a two page version floating around that can be posted in the /cyoag/ but the imgchest is too big for /tg/ to handle.
>>96968560Of course you consider it a neo-classic. It's just that good.
>>96968442:^)
>>96968009The good choice is to tell them to fuck off.The efficient choice is to throw both of them into the weapon and have no more future problems.
>>96968341JUNGLE BIRD>Wooden Mask>Serpent's Gaze>Masquerade>Animal>Beast Nose>Toothless>Eldritch Alteration>Feathers>Broken>Spectral Light>Forest Connection>Jaliette>Maple>Clashing>Dreaded Spirit>Windows to the Soul>Shining Beacon>Mask EaterThere isn't parity between the choices in this one but sometimes you just have to love the classics anyway. I'm sure this guy would not compete with other mask hunters
Been looking for an excuse to post this song:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eZonu8XsEs&list=RD5eZonu8XsEs&start_radio=1
Do not bring up Hazbin again
>>96968677Anyone have a better cyoa for it?
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Honor Among Thieves is weird. Why am I obligated to be a thief? The cyoa says I can make a custom companion. Why not choose a set of powers and just live a life of wanton debauchery? I’m not risking my life breaking into some magic Jew’s mansion.
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>>96968711>Honor Among Thieves is weird. Why am I obligated to be a thief? The cyoa says I can make a custom companion. Why not choose a set of powers and just live a life of wanton debauchery? Because (you) want revenge. And even if (you) didn't, do (you) really want to live in a city controlled by a bunch of messed up demigods?If it's the word itself bothering you, then you could always style (yourself) as an "outlaw", "revolutionary", or "freedom fighter".
>>96968738Sorry - better quality version.
>>96968738What was the file. WHAT WAS THE FILE. Was it something DIRTY? Was it something NASTY? Was it->>96968744Oh. You’re no fun.
>>96968738Don’t speak for me (you) twat
>>96968788>What was the file. WHAT WAS THE FILE. Was it something DIRTY? Was it something NASTY? Was it-If you want something dirty, Apotheosis just updated section of Tentacle Realm with new sex gods. The /trash thread has the link.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rg3sAb8Id8&list=RD4Rg3sAb8Id8&start_radio=1Or I suppose you could just pick the succubus.
>>96968824Apotheosis? I thought he was dead, did he troon out or something?
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>>96968832He's working on his big (NSFW) isekai setting, Tentacle Realm. Dozens of pages, unique bestiary, an entire pantheon of tentacled sex gods. . .
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>>96968824Can you stop trying to redirect people there?
>>96968870>>96968876Trash? Or various songs on Youtube?
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>>96968845>Dozens of pagesThe madman, no wonder he disappeared.
>>96968908Map page (which is missing from the Allsync copy, by the way)
>>96968920Royal Revival - Bittersweet Victory path
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>>96968920Royal Revival - Desperate Measures path
>>96968455>City-Centre>Large>Monument>Statues (2)>Gardens (1)>Engravings (2)>Information>Statues (3)>Paintings (4)>Cursed>Striking>Preserved (1)>Death Mask (1)>Significance>Prominent Position>Harsh Conditions (1)>Robber Bait>Dilapidated>DoomedI love the way that CYOAs tend to treat inevitabilities of life as drawbacks. Thistlewaite is a way less strident example of this, but it made me think of the general thing. If you're willing to accept some of those realities, your other powers or boons can often be much improved. It's not even necessarily just death, but having to forge your own relationships or other totally normal activities that shouldn't prove an obstacle in the first place, let alone once you have access to some of what the CYOA offers.
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>>96968027>Combat>-3©: Class System.>Choose a class from any game balanced around 10-30 levels. You apply that class to yourself as a level 1 character, and may level up.What a shitty description of an ability. What the fuck is this supposed to mean, "balanced around 10-30 levels"? And at any rate, a "reference any X from any work of fiction" kind of prompt really makes me want to stop reading a CYOA.The "you may change your race into a traditional fantasy race" option also - okay, I decide I'm an omnipotent god and nothing else matters? Is that too much? Then why the fuck didn't you describe the options explicitly?It's like the author didn't think for 10 seconds what the experience of actually playing this CYOA would be like.Meanwhile I actually really like the choice format and the visuals. A pity that the author has zero sense for mechanics and UX.
>>96968027actual slop
>>96969134>balanced around 10-30 levelsI think it's intended to be something like DnD or Pathfinder power-wise.
>>96968951>I love the way that CYOAs tend to treat inevitabilities of life as drawbacks. Thistlewaite is a way less strident example of this, but it made me think of the general thing. If you're willing to accept some of those realities, your other powers or boons can often be much improved. It's not even necessarily just death, but having to forge your own relationships or other totally normal activities that shouldn't prove an obstacle in the first place, let alone once you have access to some of what the CYOA offers.In some cyoas, I do think it makes sense to buy them, though. Using a couple of older examples:*In Conduit, I could see rookies getting traumatized by their sudden access to other realities, parricularly if they took Unwanted Guest (etc), which turns the other reality hostile (until bought off). Unless you somehow had meta knowledge, the gentler intro is probably more conducive to mastering your powers.*In Pirate's Life - which I think you posted the other day - the companions are from an elite, background-checked pool provided by the pirate god. Sure, you could go recruit staff once the CYOA ends . . .However you'd have to vet them yourself, from an inferior skill pool, and it might take a while to fill out a full roster.*In Divine Trial, many of the companions won't be available once the cyoa ends. They'll either be behind dimensional barriers, or just dead. And whom you pick really becomes a personal statement - who to save, what values/vices to endorse . . .Hmm . . .that became a bit more about companions than I expected. Oh well
>>96969134>The "you may change your race into a traditional fantasy race" option also - okay, I decide I'm an omnipotent god and nothing else matters? Is that too much? Then why the fuck didn't you describe the options explicitly?Do you really need "elf, dwarf, hobbit/halfling, gnome, orc . . ." spelled out? And what traditional fantasy setting has omnipotent gods hanging around? If they're just shooting the breeze at the local bar, why would anyone need a band of plucky adventurers to oppose the evil cult or the rampaging horde?
>>96968677Anyone else think this got way too big to handle for a bunch of thieves?
>>96969392>Do you really need "elf, dwarf, hobbit/halfling, gnome, orc . . ." spelled out?Elves may vary from human-level jobbers to ageless Warhammer supermen. The cyoa provides you a limited budget, which you should use to the greatest effect in making a strong build. Making a strong build means that there's no reason to pick to be a hobbit, are you serious? But thinking this way inches one closer to picking to be omnipotent gods, which is stupid. There's no clear threshold at which you're supposed to stop.>And what traditional fantasy setting has omnipotent gods hanging around? If they're just shooting the breeze at the local bar, why would anyone need a band of plucky adventurers to oppose the evil cult or the rampaging horde?Elder Scrolls for example (Vivec and Talos). (It's been a long while since I hanged around TES discussions but) IIRC they don't intervene much because they don't want to, they see themselves like authors in a collaborative art project, which is the world. But I don't think the particulars matter here. Let's say I didn't say "omnipotent" but just, extremely powerful. My point is that letting the player pick "any X from any work" or similar is always incompatible with the optimization process at the heart of any normal cyoa.
>>96969454I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with solvefagging in general, I truly don't. But when you try to solvefag even simple lighthearted one-pagers it becomes solve-cancer, and there is everything wrong with that.
>>96969508But then why does it provide a budget? A budget is for economic use, you're supposed to get the most bang for the buck.
>>96969449Things have definitely gotten out of hand.
>>96968359The Great Stage. It released recently. https://imgchest.com/p/qb4z5lxrd4j
>>96968876If they're searching something that might be in /trash/, why not? The purpose of their thread is literally to be the lewd variant.
>>96969836It's basically the same as telling innocent anons to go to the Jumpchain thread. Two separate communities that don't want anything to do with each other, and one is completely inferior.
>>96969846If we follow that logic, we're the idiots always drowning in shitposting and bad faith arguments.Besides, if you cut yourself off /trash/ you miss some content like Pantheon of Pleasure or Id Monstrum. It's suboptimal regarding OCs.
>>96969882Pretty sure you drowning in shitposting and bad faith arguments is why nobody wants you redirecting to their threads.
>>96969882cyoag is okay when oc
>hyper-masochist retardsI don't redirect people to /tg/.>powergaming autistic retardsI don't redirect people to /trash/>living good but franchiseslopI don't redirect people to Jumpchain.>interactive is le good retardsI don't redirect people to reddit.>words words words but not a single imageI don't redirect people to questionable questing>graveyard of authors and off-topic memesI don't redirect people to discord.
>>96967532The kushites were very much black. Theyre from what is now sudan.
>>96967689>Hero AcademyThat ones pretty clearly final fantasy isnt it?
>>96967547>The technology was introduced to Egypt by the HyksosBut it wasnt, the Hyksos didnt have chariots.
>>96968677Never thought I'd enjoy a cyoa as much as this one. Later I'll see if this build survives til the end and let's me spend the rest of my days surrounded by my squad of deadly, buxom vixens.Name: Alexandre FleishcerFor a CauseFortress (I'll have Kadeen chill here undercover as a financial advisor)Squad (3 Companions)Skill Points:Base:+5The Wanderer: +4Well-Connected (Tier 2)Savoir Faire (Tier 3)Stealth (Tier 2)Martial Prowess (Tier 3+1(Oldsteel Limb Enhancers))Masque: de PaysansAmelda Winston - A proxy of mine delivered a message to her, a return to her life as a countess and a way to feed without remorse (by having her dine on my flesh and whichever shitbag is on the chopping block for the week)Martial Prowess +1 (Oldsteel Limb Enhancers)Masque: de BeautéElsie Savoy - Having staged an intricate ploy to draw her in with promise of a rare Lotoifalean treasure, I recruited her with the promise of providing a place for her people, and a lifetime's worth of her kind of fun.Masque: de Vol(edited -2 stealth +2 Poison Master) Scarlet Ashbridge - A prophecy pulled me into her circle, and I've been a paternal mentor to her of sorts.Masque: de PeurFinal Team CompStealth 3Acrobatics 3Lock Picking 2Martial Prowess 4Marksmanship 1Well-connected 2Savoir Faire 3Trap Savvy 2Poison Master 2Patronage:Half-Breed +10Ritualistic Sacrifice + 10 (5 non-virgins)Enemy of the Church +10Occult Studies up to +20 (40 yrs old)Pacts:Holamus: 20The Soothsayer. Let's me gain insight into the future and someone to put in charge of my business ventures. -7 pts (no lies nor betrayal, and prophetic visions of my own)The Wanderer - 4 + -8 + -1 = -13 (+4 physical skill points, shapeshifting for companions)Iwakiri: 10Blessing of the Great Serpent.Sisseran: 18Master of Contracts:I use my blood or other bodily fluids for said contracts.Master of LifeRegeneration, immortality for a thousand years, dulled pain.
>>96969454You've put more effort into analyzing this shit than the author did on making farting it out in the first place.
The itch to solve is back...
>>96968845>Dozens of pagesThe end product will definitely be close to 100, just the first part is 40+ pages, and it's incomplete. We are still missing the misssions, companions, items, parasites/suits that were in the old one, and the bestiary. It's probably going to be way more than 100 actually. He seems to have fused tentacle realm with his other huge one, monstergirl fantasy isekai.
>>96968079A lot of "technology" isnt really impressive on its own. Its the ability to utilize the technology. Sure, a steam engine is technically something any civilization with metal and fire could accomplish really, but the ability to actually utilize it is what counts, to turn the basic "steam makes thing spin" into something useful. A water-mill (or windmill) is technically (basically) just gears and cogs, something you could literally make in the stone age, but in reality its quite complex because turning motion into motion is quite tricky.
>>96968845>Tentacle RealmThe Star Citizen of CYOAs. It'll keep getting updates, but it will never be finished.
>>96970040Nah they ain’t South Africa tier. The farther south you go the worse it gets.
>>96970062Why are you lying
>>96970376>A lot of "technology" isnt really impressive on its own. It’s the ability to utilize the technology. Oh they were utilized they just weren’t utilized as well as they could be until the white man came along ;^) The Greeks made impressive things like the Antikythera mechanism and the Servant of Philon, but they were more like art projects and never mass produced Artifice was more special back then when it was a lot more obscure and untouched
>>96970376>A water-mill (or windmill) is technically (basically) just gears and cogs, something you could literally make in the stone age, but in reality its quite complex because turning motion into motion is quite tricky.Gears and cogs in the Stone Age? Don’t make me laugh. The cruel irony of how simplistic the practical sciences are doesn’t excuse that humans for most of their history couldn’t even figure out the goddamned wheel. ROLLING. Wow. No one could even make gears and cogs in the Stone Age.
We know that Falista is the best gift fir punching up and the harpoon is the best power for punching up, wich of the two you believe edges out the other?
LOLhttps://m.youtube.com/shorts/ZJKkSvy9Nyg
>>96970512>Gears and cogs in the Stone Age? Don’t make me laughBut thats the thing, you obviously technically could. You can do all sorts of things with wood, gears is one of those things. It is not a very "technically complex" thing, you dont really need a lot of advanced metallurgy or whatever for it. You can literally carve them by hand or whatever. You can absolutely make gears with the materials available in the stone age.
>>96970550>But thats the thing, you obviously technically couldYou could technically do anything within basic reality’s means, anon. It’s not just realistically achievable. Most of Africa couldn’t do the most basic of shit.
>>96969449Yeah, shit goes from "rob a bank" to "kill a nascent eldritch god" real quick.
>>96970519situation dependent
>>96970487>Oh they were utilizedBut they werent, its why they remained as "art projects".The romans or greeks had no practical use for the steam engine (or if you want to put it another way "they found no way to apply a practical use to the steam engine") which is why despite knowing how to technically make one it remained little more than a scientific oddity.
>>96970572Seems fair, I'm finally making my build (I'm thinking of it since before Entropist was updated, started as a meme build with the gimmick of having to take all the GP).
>>96970550>You can absolutely make gears with the materials available in the stone age.The point is that no one did. No one had made the necessary steps to reach that point in the stone age. The earliest known physical examples and mentions of gears and cogs date back to the 4th century BCE in China, while descriptions also appeared in Greek antiquity, implying both east and west made use of them. But the stone age itself ended between 4000 BCE and 2000 BCE. The name of the age itself is the implication that we’re moving on from stone to other materials.
>>96970445What about Luminary (Hus) or Ultimate God?
>>96970560>You could technically do anything within basic reality’s means, anonNot at "any given tech level". Given the tools available in the bronze age you couldnt - for example - create an internal combustion engine. The metallurgy simply isnt there. Some technologies very much are "locked" until you get to a certain point of scientific/civilizational development, someone with modern knowledge transported to god knows when couldnt bring semiconductors back because those industries require very sophisticated modern tools. A cog on the other hand? That you absolutely can create with literally just wood or stone (I guess you might want some sort of metal to work those materials, but even then not strictly necessary)
>>96970589I took both, it's costly though
>>96970586>But they werent, it’s why they remained as "art projects".They absolutely were utilized, just quite selectively. The Antikythera mechanism was used for navigation. Art is inseparable from artifice. >The romans or greeks had no practical use for the steam engineCool. Define utilize. Because I bet someone did. Like how glass was never societally utilized in China due to the widespread preference for ceramic, aside from a few emperors or rich men who needed spectacles or tried new things (similar to how whoever made the steam engine was trying new things). For the most part China didn’t need glass the same way Romans didn’t need steam engines.
>>96970591>The point is that no one didThats irrelevant to whether they "could" nor not. Much like the steam engine being something actually rather easy to make "in concept" gears are an extremely accessible technology. One that you could have as early as you figure out how to work wood or stone.
>>96970603>Not at "any given tech level". Given the tools available in the bronze age you couldnt - for example - create an internal combustion engineSo you agree that cogs and gears couldn’t be made in the Stone Age. Got it. I accept your concession, arguing-for-the-sake-of-arguing anon.
>>96970616I honestly am interested in neither, but probably will end up taking Falista over Drace, as, while I prefer by far Drace's powerset, her personality is simply superior, probably in my top 5 gifts.
>>96970603>A cog on the other hand? That you absolutely can create with literally just wood or stoneEnjoy your horrible cogs
>>96970619>Art is inseparable from artifice.Art is however easily separable from practical use. >Because I bet someone did.So they werent utilized then. "julius quintius publius used it to turn a fan that one time" is not a use for the technology. >>96970629Except they very obviously could. Because "cogs and gears" are just shapes, spiked wheels, the second you figure out how to turn hard materials into geometric shapes you can make them. Thats the difference between "technology that requires other advancements" like the combustion engine, and technology that doesent require other advancements.
>>96970620Anon. You’re already arguing that certain steps are required to do certain things. The Stone Age did not have the means to do certain things. — The Stone Age didn't make wooden cogs because the technology to create complex, precisely interlocking parts like cogs had not yet been developed, and the necessary materials and tools were not available. While early humans did work with wood, they lacked the sophisticated tools and knowledge needed to carve the precise gears and mechanical designs required for a cog and wheel system. The wheel itself was a much later invention, appearing at the end of the Neolithic period or beginning of the Bronze Age, and the development of complex cogs came even later. I don’t believe they couldn’t have done it. The means just weren’t available at the time. Perhaps there were a few select individuals who attempted to. There were people living in the future, in the headspace, and people like Da Vinci are not as rare as you would think. People like Archimedes were also ahead of their time.
>>96970631Well now, hold on there, not only does Drace pay you 2sp for taking her, she can give you a Demon army, which is good for fighting enemies that would usually be a poor matchup for a Son.
>>96970651>the technology to create complex, precisely interlocking parts like cogs had not yet been developedBut it had, all you need for it is a chisel, a modern carpenter could easily make you some cogs with nothing but a carving tool of any kind. The KNOWLEDGE wasnt there, but thats entirely different. >the wheelcase in point. Wheels are entirely doable with stone age technology, literally just "round thing, attached to axle(round piece of wood)", and yet...
>>96970631Nta, Drace gives 2 SP, she pays you for dealing wityh her personality.
>>96970638>So they werent utilized thenAgain. Define utilize. Is it a person or a group of highly learned people like the Greeks who sold them to persons of rich interest? Or was it actual society wide industry. I’d argue the former is utilization, while the latter is capital-u Utilization in comparison. This is why the British came out ahead. Their utilizations were far more societally impactful and integrated compared to anyone who came before. Before this point, such ingenious innovations were seen as lone curiosities, not gateways for mass progression or mass advancement.
>>96970594Ultimate God is an update of an already finished CYOA productand Luminary...well I kinda forgot about that CYOAs existence, I can't even find in online or in the allsync.
>>96970668>>96970676Yes, that's my point, Drace has a better powerset and pay me, but her personality is so trash that I will still take Falista, despite needing more SP (already spent 84 of my 102).
>>96970638>Except they very obviously could. Because "cogs and gears" are just shapes, spiked wheels, the second you figure out how to turn hard materials into geometric shapes you can make them. And yet cogs and wheels totally evaded the majority of Africa’s minds.
>>96970673NTA but there is a difference between making a cog and making multiple, precise size, perfectly interlocking and durable enough cogs for a complex system, you could probably manufacture something rudimentary out of a few large cogs but nothing overly intricate and precise. You would be far better off just introducing simple machines
>>96970698Fair. Personally, I like her personality because she makes a good target for bullying, but to each their own.
>>96970673>But it had, all you need for it is a chisel, a modern carpenter could easily make you some cogs with nothing but a carving tool of any kind. >The KNOWLEDGE wasnt there, but thats entirely different. It’s not entirely different. Science is the insubstantial aspect of technology, which is its application; there’s science to everything. Two sides of the same coin. In theory you should be able to make the necessary steps to quote modern things in a single year, even in ancient times. You just needed the resources and manpower. They did not. >Wheels are entirely doable with stone age technologyThe point is that no one, or barely anyone, did. A common attack on Africans is that they didn’t invent it for all their time in Africa.
>>96970724While I agree that she can be fun I don't want to risk her making horrors while I'm not looking.
>>96970726>quotecreate* what the hell phone
>>96970719>you could probably manufacture something rudimentary out of a few large cogs but nothing overly intricate and precise.You know what? Youre almost certainly right. You arent going to be making a swiss watch in the stone age. But thats sort of once again proving the original point.Cogs themselves are not impressive, anyone could do that. Cogs in application is where the actually impressive elements come into play.
“Hey Grok what if roll rock?”“Shut up Grug”“Okay…”
>>96970726>. In theory you should be able to make the necessary steps to quote modern things in a single year, even in ancient timesSome? Sure.Others? Not a chance.Some technologies are too nested, too reliant on other technologies and industries to even be adopted "quickly" from zero. You could go to someone in ancient Babylon and explain the recurve bow or invent the chariot early or explain stirrups and saddles and gears and the steam engine and a million other things that wouldnt have been around for thousands of years from then but which are actually "kinda simple" once you know how they work. You couldnt quickstart their nuclear research programme or give them semiconductors or jet-flight.
>>96970745Jesus Christ. No one is arguing the most basic of scientific applications aren’t the most basic of shit. The argument is that for most of human history humans were stupid and didn’t incorporate the most basic of shit into their lives, and this includes black people refusing to incorporate wheels into their lives. They had all the means but they didn’t do it. Only smart individuals would attempt to.
>>96970762Basically: Imagine some hypothetical super-person ended up back in the bronze age. They dont die of sickness (or carry a sickness which would kill the locals) and can speak any and all ancient languages. Their natural charisma means people will listen to them, and they have an essentially idetic understanding of modern technology and science in its entirety. They would have certain aspects of this science implemented within a week. You would have water mills in the euphrates, you would have agriculture and animal husbandry advance millenia within days. Other technologies? Those would take them centuries to implement, they might not accomplish it within their lifetime.
>>96970764>No one is arguing the most basic of scientific applications aren’t the most basic of shit.Except they are, thats literally the initial position you retards were arguing against "technology in the abstract is often fairly basic and unimpressive". Like the steam engine, which is possible the second you have metal and fire, or the cog, which is possible the second you have wood/stone and a chisel.
>>96970762>Some technologies are too nested, too reliant on other technologies and industries to even be adopted "quickly" from zero. Okay. So we’re in agreement then, and it extends to simple brain patterns (“what if roll?”). Groundbreaking ideas should in theory be taken advantage of, but they rarely were. You need to reinforce these ideas in the people.
>>96970815>and it extends to simple brain patterns (“what if roll?”)But it doesent, there is nothing stopping you from introducing the wheel literal millenia before its actual adoption because the barrier between "theory" and "practice" there is basically nonexistent. Take some random carpenter into the forest, give him a sharp and sturdy stone, and he can come back with a wheel by dinner. The same isnt true for supersonic flight. You can put someone who knows every piece of science and technology ever in the woods for a hundred years and they wont come back with a jet-fighter.
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>>96970827>But it doesentIt absolutely does. Teamwork is everything.
>>96970861I hate that you posted this image.
>>96970827>Take some random carpenter into the forest, give him a sharp and sturdy stone, and he can come back with a wheel by dinner. Nah. This requires the stone age carpenter to think “hey, what if roll wood?”, and even if he makes it, it will be seen as just some curiosity or toy. It’s not guaranteed to be taken advantage of by society. He has to sell it first. You’re not guaranteed to be surrounded by practical people. Again, this is why the white man came out ahead. They were more practical of a people. Even the English language (the Latin alphabet) was superior in matters of imparting information as quickly as possible. Asian calligraphy was more symbolical. Bulky.
>>96970886>This requires the stone age carpenter to think “hey, what if roll wood?”Who said anything about a stone age carpenter? They wouldnt even have had carpenters in the stone age, the separation of labor wouldnt have been that specialized. The point is that the capacity for the technology was there, not the knowledge for it (although yes, someone could have just come up with the wheel centuries or millennia before someone did irl)
>>96970780>Other technologies? Those would take them centuries to implement, they might not accomplish it within their lifetime.Are you being ironic on purpose? The industrial revolution happened faster than the wheel, which still evades African tribes to this day, LMAO. In theory a person from the future could restart modern infrastructure in a year if he was sent back in time and could mind coerce natives into doing set tasks. The only limit is the amount of resources, or how large its end result will be. A modern building could be built in ancient Egypt if some alien forced them to. The nature is there regardless of the age.
>>96970908>They wouldnt even have had carpenters in the stone age, the separation of labor wouldnt have been that specialized. And so, once again, you agree that there would be no wooden cogs in the Stone Age, even though it was 100% possible. Also define carpenter. Cavemen absolutely etched into wood. They etched into stone. Why not wood? We’ve found cave drawings from pre-humans, even before Neanderthals. More like scribblings in cave walls, but still. The concept of etching isn’t advanced, but the realization of what tools and advances it can lead to, is.
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>>96970908>The point is that the capacity for the technology was there, not the knowledge for itI’m agreeing with you. I’m just pointing out that there’s a difference between the lone inventor and wider society as a whole taking advantage of their invention. This difference is why cultures came out ahead of others. Different developmental paths of preferences. Even with the knowledge it’s not guaranteed everyone will accept it, or go along with it. Wheels are perhaps the simplest form of technology aside from sticks, and yet for most of Africa’s history it has been rather absent.
>>96970913>In theory a person from the future could restart modern infrastructure in a year if he was sent back in timeBut they couldnt, because a lot of modern technology is very reliant on other (slightly less advanced) technology, and this loop repeats itself over and over. You cant jump from bronzeworking to nuclear power in a year, theres too many intermediate steps you would need to do. You CAN jump from bronze to stirrupts or the saddle or gears and cogs. Because those technologies are not "technically complex", they just require know-how.
>>96970927>you agree that there would be no wooden cogs in the Stone Age"would" is irrelevant when talking about the past, it already happened so its "there are" or "there arent" (and as far as we know there arent). But thats not what is being discussed, which is "could there be", and the answer is yes, you can create cogs using stone age technology.
>>96970947>But they couldnt, because a lot of modern technology is very reliant on other (slightly less advanced) technology, and this loop repeats itself over and over.Sounds like an infrastructural problem. The low iq natives will get to work on it. You may as well argue that building space colonies is impossible. Infrastructure will get there.
>>96970952I don’t even think you know what’s being discussed anymore.
>>96970947>Because those technologies are not "technically complex", they just require know-how.Um. You can definitely isolate technology that relies on other technology, in hard to live places like fucking Antarctica. Their only true outside connections are the internet and delivery. They’re very much self sufficient in times where they cannot he contacted.
>>96970947A time traveller with the following can build a modern day futuristic city:1. An encyclopedia of everything 2. A mass mind controlling device3. Patience
>>96970968>Sounds like an infrastructural problem.Correct, and getting the infrastructure to the point where it needs to be for various modern technologies will take AGES. You arent going to be making semiconductors or microchips by the end of the year. >>96970977"A water-mill (or windmill) is technically (basically) just gears and cogs, something you could literally make in the stone age, but in reality its quite complex because turning motion into motion is quite tricky.">>96970994You know they dont develop those scientific bases in isolation right? Theres a difference between "we can maintain this in isolation" (which they cant actually, they rely on outside supplies to do that) and "we can build all this in isolation"
>>96971013>Correct, and getting the infrastructure to the point where it needs to be for various modern technologies will take AGESNope. Depends on where the resources are. How many people are working on it. A hundred years isn’t an age.>You arent going to be making semiconductors or microchips by the end of the year. In the future Apple will travel to the past to create chip making factories by slaving the natives to work for them. China will do this too.
>>96971006Sure, given enough time. Time is the difference maker there.If you go back to the bronze age you could have a chariot designed by the end of the day. Build by the end of the week. You could not have a smartphone until at least a century after you arrive being very very very very very generous. You would and could get there, but you would need to first go through a lot of preceding steps.
>>96970952>"A water-mill (or windmill) is technically (basically) just gears and cogs, something you could literally make in the stone age, but in reality its quite complex because turning motion into motion is quite tricky."Not what’s being discussed. That premise was already agreeable. We already know that some cultures took forever to do basically nothing, while others created surprisingly sophisticated things in mere decades.
>>96971013They could build it in isolation because they had prior infrastructures. The argument for the time travelling alien relies on that. They came from future industries. In a year they could probably force natives to make cities for them.No one in the past could create modern day cogs and wheels without advanced concepts to guide them. Even as simple as a concept, their cogs would suck.
>>96971045>Not what’s being discussed.Yes it is. This is the entire premise of the conversation, that a lot of technology (like the steam engine mentioned originally) is not very complicated to create "by itself" and that you could do it fairly easily using technology available in primitive times. The complicated part is making use of that technology.
>>96971031>You could not have a smartphone until at least a century after you arrive being very very very very very generous. Nah. Time travellers know where all the resources are. They know what types of factories and what types of equipment needs to be made beforehand. If they hand the natives the equipment and told them what to do they’d be fine. Nature is there no matter what year it is.
>>96971063>The argument for the time travelling alien relies on thatNo it doesent. All the time traveller needs is fundamental knowledge to jump start various technologies thousands of years before their invention "normally" because those technologies simply rely on knowledge to be created, rather than any prior technology.You could literally make gunpowder in a cave in the stone age.
>>96971072>If they hand the natives the equipment"using only his knowledge, cunning, and this microchip factory he brought from his original timeline, the time traveller invented microchips a thousand years early!"
>>96971066Okay well that’s not what I’m arguing. >This is the entire premise of the conversation, that a lot of technology (like the steam engine mentioned originally) is not very complicated to create "by itself" and that you could do it fairly easily using technology available in primitive times. A device even more advanced than a cell phone could be made in ancient times if, again, some alien forced the natives to make infrastructure for them, like in some science fiction settings. This is cheating, though. Otherwise it’s downright impossible for native primitives to create something so advanced without the necessary contexts or guidance.
>>96971074>No it doesentHow do you think it’s even time travelling if not futuristic tech.>All the time traveller needs is fundamental knowledge to jump start various technologies thousands of years before their invention "normally" because those technologies simply rely on knowledge to be created, rather than any prior technology.All that knowledge is from the future. No way otherwise would a time travelling spaceship just generate randomly.
>>96971074>You could literally make gunpowder in a cave in the stone age.Yes. It’s just three things. Saltpetre was extremely common in China. All you needed was sulfur and charcoal. >>96971081It’s probably a crew of aliens all things considered. Perhaps an AI could do it on its own.
To argue natives can’t build futuristic shit with the help of aliens implies the aliens are stupid. There’s a point where a form of life should be able to obey and listen to simple enough concepts and tasks, even if they lead to more complex ones.You don’t need to be a genius to be a rocket scientist, is a common saying now because in the end you only need pattern recognition and a good memory to react the steps and patterns. Even if you can’t recognize patterns or have a poor memory you can hypothetically still be told what to do, like in AI guide videos.
>>96971109>Perhaps an AI could do it on its own.It starts a religion and convinces them to build a temple in the image of MacDonald’s
>>96971074>All the time traveller needs is fundamental knowledge to jump start various technologies thousands of years before their inventionInformation on paper isn’t enough. That ship would need to come with tools for the natives to use to make more tools. Just dropping a person from the future into the past won’t make them a wizard with their knowledge alone. They’d be laughed at and burned at the stake for rambling about strange ass shit that’s objectively true but not objectively true to ignorant persons of the past. Modern day is even worse. Had an alien landed and told humans “men can’t get pregnant and there are only two genders” I can assure you that Libtards would still deny it. Worse still, Muslims would burn the world down at the mere implication of aliens existing.
This discussion is theoretical purely and it’s entirely possible that people in the past were a lot smarter or a lot dumber than taken for
>>96971149>That ship would need to come with tools for the natives to use to make more toolsNot at all, at least for things like "the steam engine" or "the cog and gear". Thats literally the point, those things are achievable with a very low level of technology provided you have the knowledge for it.
>>96971171Um. If those aliens expected the natives to work in chip factories, the tools needed would most assuredly not be native-born. The primary challenge in utilizing a Stone Age population for building advanced chip factories lies in the technological gap. The precision, specialized materials, and scientific understanding required for microchip manufacturing are far beyond the capabilities of such a society. Therefore, the aliens would likely need to:Automate complex processes: The intricate and highly technical aspects of chip fabrication would need to be handled entirely by alien machinery and systems.Utilize the population for basic labor: The native inhabitants could be directed to perform less technical, high-volume tasks such as gathering or mining raw materials under alien supervision, the construction of the basic physical structures of the factories and supporting infrastructure using methods they can understand.Transporting materials between locations.Implement long-term control: Maintaining such an operation over time would require establishing a system of control to ensure the population's compliance and continuation of labor.Over small or long periods of time the brightest natives could be taught to deal with increasingly complex systems, up to their limits. They may even incorporate blind religion to reinforce their loyalty.
>>96970519The harpoon is not an entity that can fight by itself. But if you guess the Son that has it, its as strong as "base" Falista I would say Falista's peak is better, but the Harpoon is more secure of the user.We are talking how Falista is already in the top 3 without ramping up, her gimmick is to ramp up and at her peak she has an attack that weakens severely her for 1 week. Plus all of this needing her to kind of go into berserk state. Armageddon is the strongest attack of someone that needs a lot of set up to use, whose gimmick is grow stronger mid battle, with 1 long period of weakness in exchange and given her base flames are already capable of destroying concepts.So Falista with perfect set up, should punch higher.But the Harpoon is more secure in the sense its not as risky to use. You attack from long distance plus have a shiled on your arm. It can punch up by virtue of being a skill that weakens the enemy, the opposite of Falista enhancing herself. More hits = more points connected to drain the soul. More hits = more possibility to outright move the enemy like a doll. Plus the ability to use the soul fusing attack. Which while weaker than armageddon, its still one of the two potentialy strongest attack we have access to, with Golden Truth, a reality warping power, being the other one.It's also specially good against big targets like Dragons and can counter beings that use attacks between dimension like Dream gods.But it needs to hit, and several times. So you need time alive, so you need a way to stay alive.So at their peakArmageddon > HarpoonMore safe optionHarpoon > ArmageddonIf they would fight each other Harpoon user has the advantage of Falista being a big dragon target, but the playstyle of the Harpoon is dragging out battles, which would be bad against Falista's superior lategame. And Falista has protection against esoteric attacks and her flames can burn even concepts, so they burning the connections should be possible
>>96970676Nah, her personality is not that bad. She is still top 3 mothers and the bad thing about her is she being a tsundere, but she can be defeated by giving her love. She is a soft tsundere. She would be more pleasant to be around than Rin from Fate for example
Arguing for the sake of arguing again I see
>>96970668>Demon Army>Pleasure Army>Dream Army>Elemental Giant army>Demiurgue slave>Entropic armyIn reality we have a lot of options to fight every possible faction
The argument that scientific breakthroughs are not impressive on their own, but rather impressive for their ability to be utilized practically, suffices. Yet, this is still a dishonest statement, as humans can go through quite some time before they develop something useful. In the end the men of the future will ask: “Why did it take so long?”. They may assume them lesser, or unintelligent in comparison, but the reality is that society has to work with its geniuses for their genius to matter. One can only wonder how many insightful persons exists in a time where their surrounding cultures just didn’t give them the time of day, in their day.
