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First for Orks.

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Thought about giving my World Eaters some warhounds, thought it would be nice and fluffy. Thoughts?

>>96966500
>Do you actually play 3.0
As of recently? Yes.

>or what is preventing you from doing so?
An hours(+) drive either way. It doesent stop me, but it makes it less a "go as much as possible" situation

>>96966500
Think this will be the first edition where I become a nogames. Just not vibing with it, its not the edition for me. I can wait 2.5 years for 4.0 :)

>>96966558
I like it

>>96966558
I'm stealing this idea.

>>96966500
>do you actually play 3.0
No
>what is stopping you
4 turn games, false-line-of-sight and casualty removal, invisibility-field-terrain, end of turn objectives, line/vanguard, melee WS chart, stupid precision toughness rules, terrible unit balance and legion balancing and wargear balancing, bland lifeless missions, every single interesting unit requiring 3x too expensive resin kits or waiting months for bubble-filled recasts, mindless rhino/LR rushing, entirely non-viable deepstrike, personal dislike of templates (the only thing 40k improved game by removing - made much worse in HH when units don't get 1 flamethrower but can have to measure for 10 flamethrowers per squad), horrible vehicle system in 3rd making AV14 essentially immortal, dumb status minigame, terribly made challenge minigame where only Finishing Blow and Seize are used and it's just who charged with the meatier character gets to choose the 1 good gambit so other guy can't have it and auto-wins.

Legacies took the army-building from like 3/10 to 6/10, but GW has done nothing to raise the core rules from their shitty 3/10 state since launch and never will until possibly 4th edition. 3rd is a straight downgrade on rules compared to 2nd, 2nd's problem is just dumb codex balance.

>>96966500
I don't got an army and don't know what legion to play as, I can't pick a favorite

>>96966500
>TQ
Shits in resin
No muscles

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>>96966817
>personal dislike of templates (the only thing 40k improved game by removing

>>96966827
templates are fine in video games because you can instantly get the exact coverage numbers, they're shit when spammed in tabletop, removes all the fun and slows everything down having to place 10 different flamethrowers, count how many all 10 are touching and have opponent look over and count how many hits he thinks for all 10 as well and argue if it's a few more or a few less because its a couple millimeters tilted.

They're like rerolls. Rerolls improve the game if it's a rare special thing for elite units, rerolls make a game complete dogshit if half the units in every army are rerolling which slows the game down and mathematically could've been equalled with zero rerolls by just using a better dice system like D20s. One flamethrower template on a titan or superheavy battletank? Awesome. Having to slow game down for 20-40 meaningless low damage 3" AP-shit and AP-shit flamethrower templates? Sucks donkey cock and absolutely not worth wasting an hour driving to store and back, packing your army, having to setup and repack it and come back.

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>>96966500 Yes i do ! I had my first game over 2500 pts today, vs ultramarines, playing the first wave scenario. I won but damn the suzerains are insane killing machine, the slaughtered my gravewardens and praetorian retinues like they were nothing

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>>96966866
Didn't ask, don't care, you're wrong. I hope you die violently and painfully, as soon as possible would be preferred.

>>96966500
Did Khan lose an eye during SoT? He's just like his best bro now lol.

>>96966866
Idk, my opponent had a 10 man flamer squad firing crossfire through two of my units and that shit was really fun.

(it was 29 hits on one unit and "only" 12 on the other)

>>96966866
It must really suck being that gay and stupid.
My condolences.

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>>96966817
>terrible unit balance and legion balancing and wargear balancing

Anyone here used Veteran Breachers?

Banestrike is a disappointment. It's both overcosted and too weak. Half of that problem is the Weapon Lists being written with the ass, so a thunder hammer is +5 pts over a power weapon for a regular officer, but +10 over a power weapon if the same officer is wearing terminator armour. So it is that both a bolter and a combi-bolter both cost the full +10 pts to get a combi-X.
Am I too delusional into thinking banestrike bolters, which costs 2.5 times as much as volkite chargers, should kill twice as many MEQ? ;__;

>>96966866
>slows everything down having to place 10 different flamethrowers
JFC either a no games or someone whos IQ is in a competition with the thermostat in winter and losing.

>>96967045
Theyre better into TEQ right?
Also you have to consider the full cost of a model.

If a 5pts weapon kills 1 dude, a 10pts weapon shouldnt necessary kill 2 dudes because the cost of the model isnt "5" or "10" but probably closer to "20" and "25". So thats a 25% pts increase for 100% more damage.

>>96967045
Banestrike combi bolter tactical vets + Divination librarian is a pretty good combo.

>>96966817
lots of valid complaints but templates are awesome you should go get your head checked anon

>>96967056
Well they sound like a tourist from 40kg, so most likely both.

>>96967069
And GW managed to actually make blast not fucking shit this edition with the change to blast rules which really did help out a lot.

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>>96966866

>>96966817
DESU the issue with 3.0 is that
>Core rule
5/10
>Liber rules
3/10

This is peak GW though rather hten fixing the issues of 2.0 they throw the baby out with the bathwater every fucking time.

>>96967099
But they did fix (most of) the issues with 2.0.

They fixed legion balance (ish), they fixed samey deathstar characters, they fixed dreads and vehicles, they fixed the weapon balance gravitating towards one size fits all units, they fixed "big guns" not having a point, they fixed reactions. They fixed transports being useless most of the time.

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>>96966500
Played almost as much 3.0 now vs all of 2.0 (minus ZM) once the cheese settled in for 2.0.

Local community is fully revived and new peeps playing.

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>>96966881
based game haver

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>>96966870
Playing actual games with painted hams in this thread, what a chad.

>>96967112
They fixed 2.0 issues by either removing the part of the game that had that issue in it, or just creating a new set of issues.
Between 2 and 3, i would honestly say 2 was a better base, but just needed some polish, 3.0 just set the clock back to a new set of issues to fix.

3.0 does somethings i personally really fucking like
>Vehicles not being shit
>List building is a lot more fluid all be it more annoying to do.
>Blast rules are not shit
>Volley fire is cool
>Gun down is cool
>Removing brutal

But it also does a lot of shit really bad if not worse then normal, that includes but not limited to
>character challenges being wastes of time
>WS chart still shit.
>2d6 drop the highest charge is fucking ass
>Heavy has way to many down sides
>Legion balance is still fucked
>4 turns
>horribly inconsistent profiles
>Got caught red handed trying to squat units and had to panic launch the legacy PDF which still is filled with issues.

3.0 is just OK but it would have been monumentally better if it was just 2.5.

>>96967195
>>character challenges being wastes of time
Challenges are great and no longer just a trap where sgts waste your time.

>>WS chart still shit.
WS matters in a game where unit profiles are 99% the same, this is good.

>>2d6 drop the highest charge is fucking ass
More consistent charges are good.

>>Heavy has way to many down sides
Heavy is fine.

>>Legion balance is still fucked
The best its every been, every legion is playable and can play other legions with the expectation of a game/contest.

>>4 turns
Its been this way since 2e

>>horribly inconsistent profiles
Profiles are largely the same as before?

>>Got caught red handed trying to squat units and had to panic launch the legacy PDF which still is filled with issues.
>promise they will release legacy pdf
>release legacy pft
>caught red handed
?

>>96967195
If I had to play a single game more of 2.0 with cunts spamming reactions on the most meta units I was going to sell all my HH and move on. It was that bad and I played from 2014 1.0 and helped build 2 seperate gaming communites in my local area during that time.

Reactions spam and the abysmal legion ROWs imbalance + OP units was opressive in 2.0.

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>>96967195
Life must be hard when you're this fucking delusional.

>>96967226
>Challenges are great and no longer just a trap where sgts waste your time.
Challenge system should be removed, its fucking stupid, it only exists for speical bullshit characters whos only bonus IS being the duels. Just let our fucking deathstars all swing into each other.
>WS matters in a game where unit profiles are 99% the same, this is good.
No its not. WS4 Vs WS5, the WS5 should hit on a 3, and the WS4 should still hit on a 4, not a 5. Its what makes WS5 so fucking oppressive.
>Heavy is fine.
You play AL dont you?
>The best its every been,
Answered that for me i see lol
>Its been this way since 2e
Ok i see your gas lighting
gr8 b8 i r8 8/8

>>96967235
Reactions and ROW balance were some of the biggest issues i agree, and the reaction issues is fixed when you simply say. "This unit can only react once a turn" no more "lol my HSS can fire 3 times in your turn." bullshit.
2.0 RoW problem children were very easy to identify at the very least. Again im not denying it was a problem, but it could have been fixed rather then scrapping it all and redoing it.

>>96967242
>Points out the things he likes in 3.0
>Also points out the things he does not like in 3.0
>OMG you are delusional.
You know its possible to have different opinions other then consoom the latest GW thing anon.

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3e killed our local community
we used to have monthly events that had 8+ people attending regularly
now it's down to 2 or 3
good thing I cultivated a group of 5 other friends to play 1e with

>>96966500
anons what do you do when you lost all drive to paint because your just not having fun with the game anymore?

everyone knows 3.0 lovers are secondaries or tourists, they never experienced a good GW game in all 18 years of their lives

>>96967280
For me its a matter of, its the canary in the coal mine of GW putting HH onto the 3 year cycle and guess what, i dont wanna have to learn a new fucking game every 3 years where they reinvent the wheel, and i have to take a chance to see if the 2 armies i spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours on is going to be dog shit, OP broken or if im lucky middle of the pack.

>>96967284
Fond a different game

>>96967293
>everyone knows 3.0 lovers
I def dont LOVE 3.0, i think its OK, and it does somethings pretty OK but overall i think its sub par compared to 1.0 and 2.0

>>96967284
I feel you anon, same boat. I'm just working on cool stuff in my backlog because I know I don't want to play... and if I want to play I'll just play with a homie that's down for whatever. So vibes driven hobby instead of games driven hobby.

>>96967298
>Just abandon the hobby you spent untold money and time on.
I guess what do you do when the hobby you like is slowly eroding away from teh thing that got you into it? 3.0 is starting to feel like 7th->8th ed 40k all over again.

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Hey all, I was wondering how you fill gaps in resin models? Part of me wants to say fuck it but the other side of me is wants to get better-cause why not? Plus, I like the MKIII Champion, he just looks cool.
Tips with putting together resin? I’ve been washing my hands and making sure I’m not breathing any dust particles.

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>>96967310
I have had 2 half painted rhinos i literally can not find the drive to want to paint. Like i based out all the colors and i just need to do the metalics and shit on it but i cant bring my self to want to do any of it because im just not really having a lot of fun in 3.0 any more.
Random hound pic of mine for shiggles.

>>96967315
>sunk cost fallacy
spending more money on something won't make it better, marrying the girl who you hate won't save your relationship
just diversify to a smaller scale game with a smaller barrier of entry (trench crusade, kill team etc) or swap to a wildly different faction for ZM games

>>96967320
you can use hot water to make it a little malleable

>>96967325
Its a cool hound anon. I get it. Its also ok to take breaks. 3.0 killed my hobby mojo and a lot of others... then it came back. Work on cool shit you like don't force yourself to paint rhinos you don't care about.

>>96967284
stop painting and do something else for a while.
>>96967315
I ask myself that very question every time I look at my mini's...

>>96967355
There is def a project i have had in mind but its a matter of finding the resolve to do it. would be completely hh unrelated at least in terms of making something for the table top.
Might do that.

>>96967376
I burnt out after my 1.0 army got invalidated into 2.0 and my next project (ZM focused) got invalidated a year later. Spent 2 years working on terrain...

>>96967391
>terrain
Honestly thats one of the few things i really find as a safe bet for putting a lot of effort into and getting into because people always need boards.

>>96966817
>invisibility-field-terrain
Obscuring is the best rule GW added. Playing tables loaded with terrain that didnt matter was stupid if you just shot everything all the time.

>>96967454
NTA but that terrain rule is a great example of what im talking about whenever i bring up that GW will constantly reinvent a rule they already had in the past, but make a shittier version of it.
the 3" in terrain and you cant see them is a horrible fucking rule, however, GW fixed this in..... i think it was 4th?
Basically as long as your LoS went through less then 6" of terrain from model to model you would see each other in cover and shoot each other. You still got cover saves but you could not do shit like "Hehe my guys are 3" in you cant see them despite having full ass LoS" With 6" it made it so you could not do that. Because its very hard to find 6" deep terrain, but its not hard to have terrain that is overall 6" wide so you cant shoot through it and it still works as LoS blocking.

>>96967315
Use the minis you already built and painted with another game, anon. I know this may be hard to accept, but you dont have to use official models for the game your playing. This may be hard to accept, but some games dont even have official models!

>>96967493
You know you can just agree to change to rule? We have a lot of oblong terrain that is 3" wide but more in length. We just agree you can see in/out but not through.

I don't care it doesn't fix the actual rule because we're playing games.

>>96967062
>Better against termies
Yes. But they're literally the same as 2x regular combi bolters, which are better than volkite chargers against termies, and those are free
>So thats a 25% pts increase for 100% more damage.
Oh true. Glad I asked then lmao

>>96967068
I net it's going to go great on a BS6 character from Paragon of Battle. Critical shots will count as having rolled a 6 to wound as well, right? At 2D? Big kill

You think they’re going to eventually produce praetors and centurions like they do with Lieutenants in 40k?
I’d like to have variety

>>96967242
Shut up pussy no games.

>>96967226
>Challenges are great and no longer just a trap where sgts waste your time.
They're straight up ass. They were solved before the edition even released. Total time waster and shallow. Our group doesn't even bother anymore.

>>96967235
I played over 100 games of 2.0 and never experienced this even a single time. I think only one of the groups I play in even bothered to houserule it. Have you considered that the problem is that you're a disgusting subnormal that plays with other disgusting subnormals?

>>96966500
>>Thread question:
>Do you actually play 3.0
Yes

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>>96967846
sorry your gaming group doesn't know how reactions work and forgets to use them thus bypassing 2.0 worst rules addtion, or have ever seen simple slightly optimised lists. Your choice of derogatory words does however flag you as a basic bitch though, so that checks out.

>>96966500
>Do you actually play 3.0 or what is preventing you from doing so?
Minimum I play bi-weekly but I try to get at least one game in every week

>>96967759
Agreed for the most part.
I want to think I'm missing something, but my reasoning is:
1. If you can survive one normal hammering, choose Finisher.
2. If you aren't sure, Seize

However I actually did like duels before. Especially with Instant Death being the equalizer between big and small. Against unwieldy officers, Sergeants needed to get lucky...but they needed to get lucky only once.
Now it is mathematically impossible for sarges to kill officers. But I guess that's what people asked for.

>>96967846
>I played over 100 games of 2.0
Woah! I bet you have lots of game and army pics to share with us then :)

None of you have gotten farmed by a taunt and bait spamming combat character and it shows

>>96968026
>taunt and bait spamming combat character
What even is that, anon? Actual question. Like, an officer with no hammer?

>>96967112
they didn't fix a single one of tthose things.

>>96968026
>taunt and bait
>give up your WS, give up your attacks
>if you win you get a vexilla, a 10 point upgrade, though normally you just die every single time to Finishing Blow +1 strength +1 damage and not sacrificing WS
Retards on 4chan aren't even good at trolling. You can't even figure out how to be believable.

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Thinking of painting up some Solar Aux inspired by Interwar US uniforms. I *think* I am inclined to just do all the armor drab green with the fatigues blue. However part of me thinks it may just look a bit muddled. Any thoughts? Ideas?

Pic related.

Gambits
>SOVLFVL
Grandstand
Test The Foe

>SOVL
Faction-specific Gambits
Character-specific Gambits
Guard Up
Flurry of Blows

>SOVLLESS
Everything else

>>96967759
>Our group doesn't even bother anymore.
Like wise and if we do, we just do the old challenge system.
I feel like the 3.0 challenge system really only works for big named characters not random preator mooks.

>>96968026
Had an opponent hit taunt and bait once with their archmagos into my praetor, hammer vs hammer. He lost focus, got smacked for 1 damage and lost.

>>96968134
Why guard up? Seize. If you can't seize, Finisher. If you can't finisher, Seize. Life's so easy 8^)

>>96966500
>Do you actually play 3.0 or what is preventing you from doing so?

I played it a few times.less then 20, more then 10. Came to th conclusion that the handicap of no line/venguard and the lack of ability to score, contest combined with new LoS rules, makes playing a fully mounted White Scar army an expiriance similar to shoting yourself in the dick for 2+ hours. I have a small hope that maybe GW ends up releasing some book that makes mounted armies fun, and an errata that fixes land speeders . But the hope is small, because in w40k they didn't do it for a whole edition.

>>96968082
Yeah lol. Though I do think there was one gimmick one would choose when one was certain to win, as to get extra combat res.
Literal "gg no re" dissing

Slowly getting into HH after some friends suggested I joining them as I still had a bunch of old 3rd edition marines still laying around. All infantry and some heavy and special weapons alongside two dreadnaughts, two rhinos, and a landraider.

Any good recommendations for units and equipment for a deathguard, salamanders, or iron warriors to start out with?

Alchemical flamers where pretty great in the tutorial game I played, but I'm scratching my head a bit on how to best utilize the DG legion ability to ignore the penalty of heavy weapons outside a rotor cannon heavy support squad or two.

Really need to buy some terminators too.

>>96968089
I depends on the shade of blue you use and how you add weathering to the models afterwards.
If you go for a nice vivid shade of blue, like in your pic, then it will contrast from the olive drab. But then if you start slathering it in agrax earthshade and dirt, then it will all blend together.

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>>96968321
take heavy squads, get maximum damage no matter if you move. Its a big deal with lascannons and multimeltas that have the (H) trait against either weapon strength or damage profile.

>>96968321
Everyone will tell you about DG HHS. Regardless of what they tell you, always remember this above all: Fury of the Legion is Heavy (Firepower)
Also, everyone seems to forget Death Guard is unbothered by terrain because it's not bolded, so they run full 11" even across ruins

>>96968321
DG Inductii are S-tier

>>96968526
Aren't predators and other vehicles a more powerful and point efficient (survival, movment etc) source of heavy weapons? Or was I wrong to get 2 vindicators and 3 las preds.

>>96968544
is it because of the status effects, that a rottor canon can cause?

>>96968547
Lascannon predator have better shots per point and durability per point. And you aren't giving them bs5 anymore. So predator is generally better. Main argument for lascannon hss is being able to blast 10 shots on a return fire or intercept or what not.

>>96968419
The concern I have with focusing so much on support squads is that they don't have line and will get chewed up in melee pretty easy and one of my main opponents is going to be a world eaters player. But I guess enough lascannon and heavy bolter fire can fix most problems.

>>96968526
HHS? Getting used to all the acronyms still. Fantastic point on terrain as well, I did forget that for them.

>>96968544
Yeah they seemed pretty great due to being able to take alchemical flamers or rotor cannons and both seem great for them.

Still leaning what each of the command units unlock for armies like siege breaker unlocking special rapier battery grenade rounds. Not too many web resources for 3rd edition yet it seems.

>>96968626
rapier batteries will also benifite yes?

>>96968626
Sorry miswrote, it's HSS. Heavy Support Squad

>>96968660
Ok, that's what I was kind of guessing, but there's stuff I'm still discovering just fiddling around with new recruit still.

>>96968655
Technically, I think, yeah.

>>96968547
>>96968605
The return fire is really the selling point as well as the ability to pop in a master of signals which I think can give them Line. Their legion ability is very flavorful and feels good, but seems a bit tricky to really make good use out of so far.

So in the end, after all the whinging, did this end up becoming a better game than the last edition (Like every reasonable person expected)?

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Rereading the pdf I just realized that only Centurions get the special melee rules in Alone and Forgotten. Consuls won't get combat resolution bonuses or VP for dying in melee.

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>>96966558
Go for it. I justified mine as power lances, though I don't play.

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Post your most recent autistic conversionslop

>>96968554
Flamers + alchem-flamers + rotor cannons + fury of the legion

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Blackshields: Alone and Forgotten, Blade of the Just

Primary detachment (3 base command slots, 1 prime+4 troop->command slots, 1 prime)

Armistos: 105
+Plasma Cannon, Power Fist
+Paragon of Battle Prime slot
+1T, +1W

Moritat: 105
+Overcharged Plasma Pistols
+1BS, +1W

Centurion with Jump pack: 115
+Power Axe, plasma pistol
+1WS, +1S

Centurion: 90
+Power Sword
+Paragon of Battle
+1S, +1W

Centurion: 95
+Thunder Hammer
+1T, +1W

Centurion: 105
+Power Fist, combi-plasma
+1T, +1W

Centurion: 95
+Power maul, disintegration pistol
+1T, +1W

Tactical Support Auxiliary Detachment (2 troops -> command)

Centurion: 105
+Power Fist, combi-melta
+1S, +1T

Centurion: 95
+Power Spear, bolter
+1S, +1W

Tactical Support Auxiliary Detachment (2 troops -> command)

Centurion: 90
+Power Sword
+1S, +1W

1000 points
My buddy is giving me an intro game later today. I'm gonna see how this goes. Got a little bit of ranged to tap someone on the shoulder but for the most part everyone is just gonna run straight forwards. There's only 1 guy with a jump pack because that's the only jump centurion I have so far.

>>96968689
I don't think line actually works if you have support unit.

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>>96968855
IH Herald tism conversion. Don't mind the paint its just the preshading process

>>96966870
Both armies painted. This is a rare sight these days here. Nice unknown sire.

>>96966418
Ofc
>13 fa
>all sponsons are good this ed
>main guns vary in usefulness but are all decently strong
>read the Arcus missile launcher rules
>seriously read them
>40 points for them is seriously dirt cheap when every missile type is strong at what they do, especially when you can route your opponents tacs on the first turn with the pyrax

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>>96968855
Light box was screwed up for this one but it’s a new praetor. The main body this print has is a pain in the ass to set up but I wanna swap between normal and jump pack lol

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>>96968855
I couldn't continue on it because I actually had to do my job when I was at work instead of slacking off.

>>96968915
That would be unfortunate, but perhaps he better solution is to try and find a way to bulk up a line unit or better lethalize a vanguard unit rather than trying to give a unit that trait.

I honestly just need to put in an order for some terminators I think when the boys do another recast run.

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>>96968855
Standard bearer for my command squad. I cut the legs to make the crouching pose and used the banner from WH fantasy. Plus will add a power sword from 40K 2nd edition

>>96968855
Why the crotch pistol lol

>>96969141
Cool, it makes sense for the NL banner guy to kneel to make himself a smaller target

>>96968933
What head is that? Dope banner

>>96969160
This was the idea. Instead of a proud standard bearer with a new shiny standard to have this guy who don't give a shit about those stupid flags but must do it for punishment and not to be shot in his back by frienldy fire for the lolz.

>>96969163
All the parts are from the new IH Praetor kit and the new chr + command kit.

>>96969114
Always could hop on the siege tartaros wagon, but boy would they cost a lot of points.

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>>96968321
I use HSS lascannon. What make them great is that they keep heavy when moving 4" so you can hide them out of line of sight then pop and shoot at full efficiency. They are super expensive and frail however so better used to kill terminators or retinues than vehicles who will wreck their shit in return fire.

Missile squads are also great to kill sv3+ marines.

Finally, tactical and inductii squads are very strong in DG, since they can move and shoot thrice.

>>96969534
Damn, that's some cool terrain

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>>96968855
Death Guard Siege Breaker. I really need to get paint on him.

>>96969081
Would you mind sharing any prints including this one you have of Wilph? I bought some right before he closed shop but I am still missing quite a few. Thanks!

How would you beat this list anons?

>Imperial Militia
>4x Militia Armoured Hauler w/ 3x Pintle Grenade Launcher, Dozer Blade and 63x Hunter-Killer Missile

It can effectively alpha-strike any list off the board and against infantry-heavy lists I can just reduce the number of HK missiles for some chaff levies.

This is all thanks to how RAW while every other list says
>This Model may have one of each of the following selected for it
Thus limiting units to one HK missile unless they have some other wording, the Militia list says
>This Model may have any of the following selected for it:
Allowing you to take as many of each option as you want.

>>96970022
They can take One HK Missile for 10 points. That's your cap retard.

>>96970036
No that's just how many you get for that points cost. This is backed up by the fact that Militia get an option to take Two Laspistols as a separate cost-based option to taking a single Laspistol option.

It's bad writing, sure, but this is why Legacies shouldn't be matched play legal anyway just like Legends aren't. Sadly they are so I guess I can just alpha strike all your armies.

>>96969344
Cheers!

>>96969276
I love it anon, peak NL

>>96967260
>Just let our fucking deathstars all swing into each other.
Just refuse the challenge then. Simple.
>Its what makes WS5 so fucking oppressive.
Good, stat differences should be emphasized in a game about essentially identical profiles smacking each other.

>>96970022
>this vehicle may have any of the following selected for it:
>One (1) hunter killer missile
>not "may have any number of the following selected for it"

Being an ESL is not GW's fault, retard-kun

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>>96970022
>Spamming HKs to alpha-strike
American hands typed this post

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>>96968855
Not really most recent (and not finished, dont know whether to give him a jump pack or normal power pack) but a champion using corswain as a base.

>>96970070
If when a model can have one (1) option selected from a list or up to two (2), three (3) or four (4) options selected from a list and is allowed to take multiples of the same option, then if it can take an unlimited amount as any implies, then it can take unlimited multiples.

Why would most profiles limit it by specifying "one of each" instead of "any" otherwise?

>>96970075
>Nooo, he's using cover, he must be American
It's okay Europoor, I understand you cope to avoid remembering what Jamal and your wife are doing in the other room

>>96970022
By taking more than four units? Or any amount of actual armor (whether thats tanks or 2+ saves)?

>>96970080
The option says it may take one hunter-killer missile. If you take another, you no longer have one hunter-killer missile, but two, thus it stops being a legal option.

You are allowed an unlimited amount of dozer blades however, since that one doesn't specify it is allowed to have just one.

>Hilarious how the US education system is such a failure that amerifats are now the most ESL of the world

>>96970085
Except Militia get access to an option for Two Laspistols, in the same list that they can otherwise take multiples from.

It's obvious that this is the number you get for that number of points and again, if it was to limit the number you could get total then why would most profiles explicitly say "one of each". You haven't explained that one.

>>96970081
HKs can chew through anything that you'd need to win the game in enough numbers. And again, if I need chaff I just trim down my spam of them.

>>96970085
>If you take another, you no longer have one hunter-killer missile, but two, thus it stops being a legal option.
>Sorry anon, one Legionary costs 10 points so you can only have one in each squad, that 20 man tactical blob isn't legal
NTA but even I can see you may actually be braindamaged

>>96970090
You being an illiterate ESL inbred retard does not magically make something a legal option anon. But it's okay, I know that you are incapable of understanding that. Must be hard to go through life with room temperature IQ.

>>96970096
>Sorry anon, there's no option for '0 hunter-killer missiles', you have to take one on each vehicle so your list is invalid sweaty
Cope harder Muhammad

>>96970093
>NTA but
You so completely missed the point it is hard to imagine you're a different anon who is just as retarded.

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>>96968855
Second most recent, because I'm still working on my most recent. Esoterist for my WE, because I have most other consuls represented and I found a force staff I didn't remember buying. Plus it'll be fun to run some daemons, just as soon as I find something suitable for them (not using the FW ones and there's surprisingly little on conversions out there).
Most recent painted has been a couple of centurions but they're nothing interesting.

>>96970106
>Everyone I don't like is a samefag
You still haven't explained why if the number for the HK is a limit then they have different profiles having "any" vs "one of each".

It's clear that the "any" lets you take unlimited and if this isn't the case then they'd specifically note with an asterix of "maximum 1 per unit" as they do on profiles these days where this is intended.

Now you better run, I think Jamal wants you to prep his bbc

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>>96970118
>Now you better run, I think Jamal wants you to prep his bbc

>>96970090
>HKs can chew through anything that you'd need to win the game in enough numbers
You may want to have a think about how effective those HKs are at killing (for example) terminators. 63 Hks, hitting on 4s (assuming you arent splitting fire, in which case 6s), wounding on 2s, into 2+ armor means the full stock kills 4~ terminators (or suzerains/command squad/whatever).

And snap fire is the other thing, even if that list is legal (lol) the most youre really doing is putting all your eggs into removing 4~ enemy units (less if they have 2+ armor). because theyre not surviving a 2nd round at Av11 5HP. All those missiles are either going at one target or theyre missing. It doesent matter if you (maybe) brought enough HKs to kill a titan when that amounts to the worlds most expensive rapier team.

>And again, if I need chaff I just trim down my spam of them.
Better use that crystal ball to know what your opponent is bringing then. Also
>implying imperial militia is going to steal objectives from literally any line unit in the game
It doesent matter if your opponent has tacticals, solar aux or whatever else on there. Your chaff is worse than theirs, and you didnt bring anything designed to actually support units.

>>96970143
>Better use that crystal ball to know what your opponent is bringing then. Also
>What is a local meta

>It doesent matter if your opponent has tacticals, solar aux or whatever else on there. Your chaff is worse than theirs, and you didnt bring anything designed to actually support units.
Yeah but nothing stops me taking those troops as well because of the new allies system

Cope europoor

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>>96970080
>Why would most profiles limit it by specifying "one of each" instead of "any" otherwise?
Oh thats easy. They dont. This wording is used elsewhere and is plainly clear in what it means.

You may take any of those options, one of those options is ONE hunter killer missile.

>>96970171
>Randomly posts a blank image
Who was the one with room temp IQ again?

And show me where the wording is used outside the Militia pdf thirdie, I'll wait

I wonder how much better this board would be if you had to verify your age first.

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>>96970157
>>What is a local meta
General trends, rather than the exact specifics you would need to make that garbage in any way workable.

Unless youre playing with literal teenagers or impoverished polaks your opponents are not locked to their exact lists, and can and will adapt them as the mood strikes them/they see fit.

>Yeah but nothing stops me taking those troops as well
Okay? Now youre "just" in a losing mirror match (between "troops" and "troops but with the possibility of fire support")

>>96970177
I keep forgetting acrobat doesent like me copy and pasting.

>>96970180
Unfortunately Europoors are retarded regardless of age

>>96970184
Oh cool, so the Typhon can pull this tactic as well

>Okay? Now youre "just" in a losing mirror match (between "troops" and "troops but with the possibility of fire support")
You mean the shit I nuked from cross table on turn one?

>I keep forgetting acrobat doesent like me copy and pasting.
Is acrobat what you call Jamal?

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>>96970184
this is what it looks like when you can take multiple missiles.

>>96970193
>Up two
So if it says any then they can take as many of them as they like.

Thanks for conceding, now go prep Jamal

>>96970190
>You mean the shit I nuked from cross table on turn one?
>spends all his points on four missile caddys
>wastes his shots on tacticals (or rhinos most likely, given its either turn 1 with you going first or you already lost)
Sure showed them eh?

Added fun fact: It costs more than a tactical marines worth in pts to kill it with hunter killer missiles as militia.

>>96970208
Why would I be shooting tacs?

I'll be nuking his Primarch and actual fire support

>>96970075
What is with this board recently and retarded foreigners who think they own the place

>>96970215
>I'll be nuking his Primarch
63 hunter killer missiles wont kill any primarch. Even if theyre on their own. Youre not getting through their retinue either.

>actual fire support
>opens fire on enemy HSS
>gets return fired
>loses 1/4 of his army

>>96970224
Do retarded Europoors actually take HSS instead of proper vehicle slmao

>>96970226
you dont want to get return fired by actual vehicles either lmao

>>96970228
>Oh no you killed my cheap transport that was useless anyway because it blew its load of HKs just like Jamal is doing in your wife right now

>>96970237
>I spent all my points trading down into enemy vehicles! sure showed them!

>>96970249
Cope harder thirdie

>>96970237
you actually raise a good point lmao, they literally dont even need to return fire, you get your volley off, fail to kill enough to make your points back (whether or not you commit to firing all of the missiles at one target or not) and then either get killed for free or just get ignored

Is it too late to kill the thread and get a new one with less dogshit posting?

is there a 3d print file for either
>laser destroyer for a 40k vindicator
or
>siege shield for a 30k vindicator
?
preferably the former

>>96970260
Only if the jannies rangeban Europe

I see this general is still dogshit but slow still. Not sure if thats an improvment over the 40k general, but alas.

>>96970280
Judging by the trolls hatred of templates, it's tourists from 40kg trying to branch out their shitposting.

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>>96970269
>B-ban them!

Losing the arguments that badly huh. Top kek.

>>96970269
Rangeban Israel first

>>96970237
Jamal died of turbo HIV aids from butt fucking Tyrone, get ur facts straight.

You idiots are all focusing on the wrong thing

It's not whether or not you can take 63 hunter killer missiles on a militia vehicle. That shit is stupid and doesn't matter.

It's whether I can take 63 dozer blades on a militia vehicle. This is the true metagame of the enlightened.

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>>96970717
>It's whether I can take 63 dozer blades on a militia vehicle. This is the true metagame of the enlightened.
100 spotlights

They should have a tank with a heavy disintegrator cannon (like the one on the saturnine dread)

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>>96970809
Well at least with 4 turns to play, it wouldn't blow itself up every game. I wish there was an option to get conversion beamers or plasma corrondates on predators from TEMU.

>>96970855
>I wish there was an option to get conversion beamers or plasma corrondates on predators from TEMU.
What you mean, like the bits? Predators can take heavy conversion beamers and plasma destructors, very good options too now.

>>96970855
Predators can do both of those things? The heavy conversion beamer and the executioner plasma destructor, respectively. And im certain you can find 3d printed bits for it (or use ebay or whatever)

>>96970868
>Predators can take heavy conversion beamers and plasma destructors, very good options too now.
They were good last ed too. At least the plasma. Good answer to lascannon HSS.

>>96970868
>>96970897
yes. but not the good cheap ones. you have to get or even buy an expensive GW kit. And with both options being seemingly good, there aren't many left overs for me to get at the store. There is a ton of flamer, auto canon etc turret options though.

>>96970932
The conversion beamer could indeed be good too, but it was more dependent on the situation. Needed at least 42" distance to get the good profile, which could be tricky to get if the opponent had an army that rushed forward or if the terrain didn't have enough clear firing lanes.

It's really nice how it has AP 3 at over 30" now, also lets the sponson heavy bolter shoot.

>>96970953
doesn't the beamer also cause some crazy status effects? at any range shot. Or am I mixing that up with phosphex thingies?

>>96971182
Not in 3e. In 2e they blinded iirc, but 2e blind was worthless.

Any suggestions for base models for daemon brutes? Encroaching Ruin dominion in particular. So far my list of thoughts has gone something like
>FW daemon brutes (aesthetic is fine, but not really speaking to me, so looking elsewhere)
>Chaos Spawns (way off the visual I'm looking for, even converted)
>checked etsy and received a deluge of garbage in return, so stls don't bode well
>on to the weirder ideas
>Sylvaneth Kurnoth Hunters with rebuilt arms and weapons (maybe works, maybe too nature themed for daemons, local store has a box so wouldn't be hard to pick up and try)
>other aos stuff on 50mm (I don't like any of these)
>build some bigger Possessed out of terminators and greenstuff (the terminator armor would look weird with a 4+ save, and I'm not the best with greenstuff, but maybe)
>build regular sized Possessed with some spare Marine parts I already have, then bulk up the silhouette with parts of Spirit Host models (same greenstuff problem, but likely easier to achieve, and going from a 3+ to a 4+ with the damaged armor and exposed flesh makes more sense; justifying a 50mm base for a single possessed may be hard though)
>return to etsy and sift through more slop for decent STLs to then track down

>>96970953
You only need to be 30.1" away to get 'the good profile' you fag.
If you don't know what the fuck you are talking about don't respond

>>96971221
Wasn't it very similar enough to Pinning? Test succeeds 33% of the time (i4 / Ld8), afflicted can only snapshot

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>>96971440
You NOW need 30"+, you needED 42", anon.

>>96971332
Ive seen Ogroid Theridons used for them, although maybe those are too "fleshy" looking for your tastes. Also Kroxigor (but same problem).

You might also be able to convert some tyranid warriors if you have some greenstuff and a bitz box).

>>96971459
Pinning was "Per proc" while blind was just once at the end of the phase. So you could make a unit take 2/3/4+ pinning tests with small units of snipers, but you could only do one blind test (which marines pass 2/3 of the time, 5/6 if theres a character in the unit)

>>96971332
Nighthaunt Spirit Hosts

>>96971332
Go to cults or my mini, find models you like, then find a person with a printer to print them for you.

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>>96971467
Hmm true. Well, I think conversion beamers of all kinds could've been Suppressive this time around. But the range has been reworked and the middle profile is AP3 instead of APUseless, so that's still actually very very good

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>>96971440
>anon makes a point that the conversion beamer used to be a lot more restrictive since it's medium range was pretty bad and you had to be more than 42" away to get the long range profile
>He then says that it's a lot better now since they lowered the minimum range for the long range profile (and upped the mid level ap)
>Duuur yu only need to be 30" away fag learn 2 read retard
Utterly embarrassing lmoa, I would kill myself, were I in your shoes

>>96971562
While I get the idea of them not being s12 anymore with the new vehicle rules (wouldn't have been a problem if they still were imo) going down to s8 at most is pretty stupid

>>96971552
Yea, they could have kept the status. Although their improved profiles probably make them good enough as is.

The only "bad" weapons now are the neutron lasers imo. One shot, not great range, not oneshot damage, overload.

>>96971677
Plasma Tartaros aniki...

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>>96971721
Vs the hordes

>>96971734
>5 justaerin and 5 reavers at 1k

>>96971745
Supremacy Cadre is literally faction identity, anon

>>96971801
I think the issue isnt "thats broken", but rather that its a terrible decision and would normally lose that dude the game.

>>96971677
HE'S HERE

>tried to use normal conversion beamers on my myrmidons
>didn't realize they lost their long range profile
>they now max out at s7
god I hate this edition

>>96971820
Oh they've kept it. Problem is, their Conversion beam CANNONs became smaller Conversion Beamers, because it's more spammable than Lerneans'.
You see, marines, they are better than everyone :DD

>>96971811
either way, broken or dogshit, faction identity is more important than winning.

>>96971677
Wait are you abusing that "all centurions" list?

>>96969141
Does he have a telescoping standard that got shorter when he went down on one knee

>>96971870
It's cold okay

>>96971884
50% of companies suffer from it eventually okay!

>>96971838
its funny how lernaens and contemptor dreadnoughts have the same weapon (conversion beam cannon)

but the predator gets the heavy one, tbe contemptor does not

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>>96971745
Those ar normal termies

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>>96971464
>>96972013
I think that was still the case in 2.0, and that's okay.
If anything, I'd rather
1. Downgrade Lernean's own beam weapon to a regular Conversion beamer
2. Make Conversion Beamers have a 31"+ profile like Conversion Beam Cannons do

>>96971865
It's turn 2 and it's 11 to 1 his favor.

>>96972031
> Unpainted cork bases
INTO THE TRASH

>>96971677
Lmao those look like trash

>>96971562
Kill yourself ESL faggot

>>96972117
HE POSTED AGAIN

>>96972031
why the FUCK do normal terminators have the justaerin color scheme? might as well paint them salamanders green

>>96972146
They're just cosplaying ok?

>>96972146
not every first company member was a justaerin

>>96972123
I accept your concession

>>96972050
Ah, you didnt take the "I get 3VP for any combat im in" one.

forge lords should be able to take a conversion beam cannon like a master of the forge could in 5th

>>96972170
Yea, the non-Justaerin ones were Catulan Reavers.

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What was his problem?

>>96972304
Much like his father and uncle, and other uncle, and other uncle, and other uncle, and other uncle, and other uncle, and other uncle, and other uncle, and cousin, and other cousin, an other cousin, and...
crippling daddy issues and self doubt

+19 vp in one turn, jesus

>>96972375
are ya winning blackshieldson?

I just realized Destroyers can take two hand flamers.
So I shoot with the rad launcher, apply phage and then shoot flamers and wound on 4+, right?

>>96972551
Yes.

>>96972554
Thanks. So Ashen Circle get S4 flamers basically because they don't have rad nades/launchers, so either way it's 4+, but they get panic 2. Cool cool cool.

>>96972343
Come on anon the iron hands are the inbreeders not the death guard

>>96972304
Preferably it would be that he was a Terran legionary psyker who had time to develop an independent streak before Morty was put in charge and decided that Terran legionaries were gay and psykers were extra gay. But instead it's not like that.

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The king is DEAD (+5vp)

>>96972571
I do wish hand flamers were panic 0. Wait, how much panic are heavy flamers?

>>96972630
Actually 0vp because it's a consul

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>>96972420
I've won!

>>96972630
Slay the Warlord is High Command only and A&F can't bring HCs

>>96972681
1

>>96972681
1, but twin heavy flamers are 2

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First miniature in 25 years, I don't know if I should be proud of making it despite the conditions, or throw it in the trash

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I still don't get why they made the new cataphractii powerfists so tiny? Every single other terminator in existance has huge powerfists so what the fuck was the reasoning?

>>96972571
They also fire twice when volley firing, so fire > charge > gun down adds up to something like 50 flame templates (assuming they all live through combat/win combat)

>>96972923

Incompetence. Someone made a CAD file, then stretched it out to the correct height, but forgot to press shift, so it didn't keep the ratio. Then he tried to hide that by making the shoulderpads comically large.

>>96972956
Wait, don't you volley fire with both pistols on destroyers?

>>96972981
Yes. But Ashen Circle only have one Akkadic hand flamer each. So its "only" 20 shots

If they had two it would be 40 flame templates from a unit of 10. Imagine the dice rolls!

>>96972959
That's not how 3d modelling works my dude.

>>96972989
So same amount of templates from destroyers/ashen circle on volley, double from destroyers on all other shooting(-1 for rocket launcher I guess).
Ashen circle do have those ap3 rakes though, so they will win combats...
Eh, I'll go with destros. Dual pistols are just fucking cool.

>>96972920
strip it and try again

>>96972920
Congrats anon, welcome back.
Your model looks just fine, and remember everybody starts / resumes from somewhere. Try giving him a recess wash and some sand or texture paste on the base.

>>96972920
Just needs an oil wash and it'll be great.

>>96973025
Yea, thats more or less the breakdown. Also keep in mind the Akkadic flamers have panic (2!) but destroyer hand flamers dont. Although destroyers can take a panic(3!) phosphex bomb!

>>96972923
Same reason the saturnine fists also look small in comparison. Everything new has to look different from the old cuz fuck you for liking the original designs
It's either that or the quality of their designers is so poor these days that they can't come up with designs that look like they fit the universe's pre stablished aesthetic

>>96972013
It really does feel like the dread should have the heady one too.
It's the equivalent of having it armed with a single heavy bolter per arm

>>96973031
I have nine more like him ready to paint, I'd rather keep him around as a reminder

>>96973048
>>96973061
thanks! I'll see to it

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Honestly I think my biggest problem with the new skitarii is that they were going for purposefully distorted proportions inhuman look with the normal size human torso and long legs, but that runs into the same problem as the sedivalle fag, I don't care if it intentionally looks like ass, or if it's just like John Blanche or visions or whatever, it still looks like ass and I don't want it on my table

I forgot painting can be fast and fun when you're not batch painting 40 man bricks of 4 point militia men.

>>96973381
My problem is that he does not look inhuman at all, he just looks like he's got go go gadget legs.

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>>96973381
These and the new termis both suffer badly from terrible pain jobs/pallet choices + looking like ass on a white backround.

GWs media and paint teams are really hurting at the moment and it shows with most releases.

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>>96973381
I honestly don't see anything wrong with these. It's skitarii stormtroops. Enhanced legs to get close to shoot with their shotguns. Exact same legs as the sicarians. These are not meant to fill the same niche as basic skitarii.

>>96972992

You think GW isn't just doing this in a pirated copy photshop they've had since 2007 somehow?

>>96973488

The heads kind of bring it down but I like the proportions with the big draped cloaks, it makes the tiny bodies less janky and gives them a cool outline. May have to experiment with swapping the heads around to get something that looks less like the Skitarii is peeking out of a barrel.

I'm just hoping they get rules that are actually somewhat playable. If those were photon rifles they'd have a good chance of being scary in close-range shooting, but "volt-lock" sounds a lot like a shitty volkite.

>>96973502
Mate you can just do Ctrl+Z and go back that's the wonder of digital art software what the fuck are you on about none of what you said makes sense.

>>96973501
>Exact same legs as the sicarians
No they are not
Those actually look good proportion wise. The new ones look stupidly long

>>96973519

Using the undo function would mean admitting fault, something GW are clinically unable to do.

>>96973498
A good paintjob can't save how stupid thin the new termies are or how weak and small their power fists look

>>96973501
These guys do the same look much better in my opinion, I think it's the lack of armor plating that make the legs thinner and more bug-like. I can tell at a glance they are quad amputees, whereases the thicker legs on the new guy throw me off.

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>>96973381
The legs should be a lot shorter
GW designers can't into fucking proportions lately

>>96973527
It's basicallt the same proportions sicarians just have wider poses since they go on 40mm bases. That and skitarii have the cloaks.

>>96973381
Am I wrong or do these guys have unnaturally long necks?

>>96973575
>I can tell at a glance they are quad amputees, whereases the thicker legs on the new guy throw me off.
It's just the cloak covering the connections.

>>96973590
>sicarians just have wider poses
To begin with digitigrade limbs are not meant to be fully straight. Even if they were the same proportions, posing them like that is gonna make them look like shit and that's still a fuck up on the designers part

>>96973597
It's not just that, the 40k guys thighs immediately narrow down into spindly robot legs. The new guy is thick into thick. The armor plating are making the transition between man and machine more seamless.

>>96973613
The joints are still flexed though. Just not wide open. Dunno man I just think they look cool and 90% of complaints don't really make much sense with these. I'd hate them if these were meant to replace skitarii vanguard but they don't.

>>96973501
This. If I was a transhumanist, idk I think human knees could need a rework. If only because extra stuff is going to add lots of extra weight
>>96973527
It reminds me of the old marine squat

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>>96973381
I actually like them, but I don't think that they should be the standard Skitarii for 30k. They should be specialised shock troopers, and the long legs are to give them longer gaits so they can run and cross terrain faster.
And then 30k should get its own versions of Rangers and Vanguards to act as the standard Skitarii.

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>>96973690
>And then 30k should get its own versions of Rangers and Vanguards to act as the standard Skitarii.
Don't see why though? The existing kits represent them perfectly and are consistent with the aesthetic of the rest of the faction. We do need the secutarii upgrade in plastic though.

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>>96973733
god these got nerfed so hard in 3.0, my poor spear bois. Wtf do you mean its a melee only weapon now!!

>>96973733
>Don't see why though?
Neither do I, but for some reason GW doesn't want cross compatible kits and armies any more.
>We do need the secutarii upgrade in plastic though.
Yes, we do.

>>96973816
To be fair GW already breaks that rule in AdMech with all the knights and I'm pretty certain regular skitarii have actual rules somewhere. Or at least had them last time I checked.

>>96973830
There's a militia provenance that fits skitarii very will iirc.

Still sucks that GW suits and bean counters are being jews who want to segregate all the model lines. Let me have my decked out mechanicum command rhinos dammit!

>>96973859
They aren't even good jews. They are leaving so much money on the table with this shit.

>>96973865
The jewry is against the customer, it's against each other. The jews are well known for their civil wars like the world wars

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Okay, proper battle report now. 1000 points, SoH vs AaF+BotJ Blackshields. Blackshields won 37 to 26-or so but apparently we made a couple mistakes so it might be more like 34 or 31 to 23.

Turn 1 was just moving forwards. The centurion there lost 2 wounds to bolters, the armistos killed 3 tacticals. Anon wanted me to say how using the armistos went and I wasn't dissatisfied, but mine was a Paragon of Battle+AaF-buffed and it only got 2 shots off before it was killed.

>>96973865
That's a big part of it: being so obsessed with keeping track, control and segregation they shoot themselves in the foot.

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>>96973893
Turn 2 had people getting into combat. After playing Titanicus for so long where melee basically never happens before turn 3 this was great.
On top of the center buildings some Centurions get ready to bully some tacticals. The promoted-sergeant races forwards at my opponent's centurion and nicks a wound off with its bolter. The SoH reavers would arrive with their champion, and between their own plasma overloads, 1 bolt pistol, 1 disintegrator pistol, and the ex-champion throwing his knives (bolt pistol), three would be killed. This was very funny.

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>>96973915
So the promoted sergeant runs forwards, his opponent Guards Up! for naught as the one power fist attack that still gets through is enough for the kill. The tactical squad would disengage after (I have to double check the rules on doing that we got a bit confused looking them up).
The ex-mortifactor would square up against the champion in the previous pic. That challenge went for three rounds and it would actually do a wound to the champion before dying. Flurry of blows went well for me, as did dying.

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Anyone knows where these arms are from? I swear they are from the vehicle cockpit dude but when I checked it only had the binoculars.

Recasts finally came in. Not sure if I want to build my firedrakes as such, or scatter their bits around other units.

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>>96973932
Turn three the promoted sergeant would be gunned down. The jump pack centurion, having pursued the veterans, would be held up by them as the terminators came up and ripped his limbs off. The champion would jump up and kill Elvis in another challenge, its one Guard Up! attack landing a critical and shaving off the 2 wounds the plasma pistols had left it.
On my turn my paragon of battle centurion would jump up into melee with a 9" charge and challenge the champion, taking a critical hit but forcing a Finishing Blow! past the champion's 2+ save.

>>96973941
I'd take at least one unit of firedrakes, just to see the look on my opponent's face when his precious melta on his kratos does a whole 1 wound to a terminator

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>>96973951
Turn 4 was cleanup. One more centurion has its last wound shot off by a tactical sergeant's plasma pistol (it had charged the terminators turn 3, killed 2, and forced them to run), the moritat wouldn't really do much again, the power spear centurion would do a single wound only, and the paragon of battle centurion would only kill a single reaver. 2 of my centurions this game did not see any combat with one only scoring a single wound with a throwing knife (bolt pistol). in a 37-to-10 model game, my opponent ended with 16 models left to my 5.

My opponent and I were having a gas the whole game. I haven't seen him much less played him in years and this was great. He was joking that I finally found a joke list that can actually win a game. I really like how Alone and Forgotten plays but mixing it with Blade of the Just is extremely potent in a way that's hard to counter. Either Alone and Forgotten shouldn't give you bonuses to your combat resolution, or Blade of the Just shouldn't allow you to score objectives normally. Killing a centurion in melee isn't easy with all the cuts to AP2, especially if you're giving it +1T and/or +1W which I did for most of my guys. That +4 to the combat resolution plus bonuses for killing is impossible to overcome, even when you forget you also get bonuses for taking wounds so just getting into melee is basically a guarantee of +3VP. My opponent said next time he's gonna take heavy weapon squads like he'd been planning so we'll see how that goes.

>>96974024
>Either Alone and Forgotten shouldn't give you bonuses to your combat resolution, or Blade of the Just shouldn't allow you to score objectives normally.

For the former, it's worth remembering that only the troop replacement Centurions get that, and for the latter... it is odd that you are able to do that, considering that Reaper of Lives doesn't.

>>96974024
Alone and forgotten and blade of the just are balanced in isolation, they just break when you take both.

>>96974081
Reaper of lives is (normally) much easier to score than alone and forgotten. When youre not running a million solo centurions its hard to get those conditions and then WIN.

>>96974081
Yeah I remembered that and had to dock myself VP. Luckily I'd actually made the joke here so I remembered by how much.
Still, after this game I'm a bit questioning over exactly what consuls are worth taking over a basic Centurion. Even with the characteristic bonuses the increase cost of a consul is a questionable benefit.

>>96974120

Like to a lesser extent Eternal Vendetta and Broken Helix (Abberant) since you're effectively doubling up on weaknesses and strengths (as long as you are fighting Space Marines at least)

>>96974141
Sort of? But I dont think its quite that.

Those two combine really well and make for very scary blender units. But both of those traits work fine without the other, and arent really "broken" even in combination.

Blade of the just + AaF actually just breaks. Both of those options arent really that good without the other. Blade of the just is normally super hard to score and AaF has issues scoring normally. But they combine really hard to become nearly unbeatable.

>>96973940
one arm is from the siege breaker (the cybernetic one)

the other arm not sure, maybe the vehicle cockpit sprue as you mentioned?

>>96974150

Come to think about it, you could use Eternal Vendetta and Blade of the Just in a janky way to have your WS4 units to punch above their weight against WS5 stuff due to the +1 to Hit and +1 to Wound as well. Although it's definitely a lot riskier and less broken.

Theoretically Flesh is Weak and Broken Helix (Clone) share the same weakness as well (no reactions) and come to think of it, it would be fluffy for an army of cyborg space marines to have an effective Feel No Pain ability of some kind.

>>96966817
>AV14 essentially immortal
You're not bringing enough anti-tank.

>>96973940
vehicle accessory sprue.

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>>96973940
The spartan sprue (not sure about land raider) has the tablet on that guy's right hand, I think the left hand is from the official pravian model.

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>James gave me a 15 dollar voucher
>Got a 200 govie bucks
>That's the price of a fellblade
Hmmmm....
Hmmmmmmmm.....
HMMMMMMmmmmmm.......

>>96974318
Do it.

>>96974331
HHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmm....
I also want to make pohatu's knight which is actually a few bucks cheaper and takes up less space...

>>96974350
The bigness is the appeal. Big tank is scary and cool.

>>96974371
But a freeblade knight marching alongside the alone and forgotten is cooler than some guy in a giant tank butting in on everyone's business.

>>96974409
Idk, imagine a big tank with dudes hanging off the side as impromptu transport. Give it a named driver and everything.

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>>96974453
Hmmm....

>>96974180

The main downside is that is that all your army rules just make you tanky, but TFIW + Clone makes you immune to statuses and almost immune to damage. Run Breachers for 5++ 5+++ troops and Terminators for 4++ 5+++ elites and never die.

Stylistically I think I prefer one of those two + Weapons of Desperation, just because all that auto-dakka is so satisfying and having a ton of Assault weapons to fire volleys with helps make up for not being able to use Overwatch.

Ngl the new terminators are growing on me, but I think the issue is that they’re supposed to be terminators. Idk how to describe it but if you told me they were prototype terminators or something I’d be cool with them. Anyways if the box flops I’ll buy them and get into 30k proper when it’s like $100 on eBay, otherwise I’ll stay a retarded secondary for Sci fi warhammer.

which marines have the most interesting formation

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>>96974198
What is enough antitank for AV14?

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>>96974624
replace that with rapiers thanks. Every army should have a unit of 3 laser rapiers, change my mind.

>>96974624
I don't know what other people are running into but I've had reasonable success with a lascannon land raider + lascannon deredeo at 2k points.

>>96974624
I think you know the answer. But rapiers and the melta kratos also do the job just fine.

>>96974729
The deredeo is actually okay too. The accuracy is a bit of a problem since its only two shots, but the flat D4 and 48" range actually gives it a decent role vs the other options which are generally shorter range (and less mobile)

>>96974624
Only take 1 unit to deal with AV 14, or two cheap vehicles for it at most. Otherwise you're investing too many points into killing something that doesn't claim objectives, nor stops you from claiming objectives.
Disregarding super-heavies, ptions are:
>(veteran) breachers with lascutters and melta bomb in rhino
>One melta kratos one tip: don't give it lascannons, melta cannon is enough. Give it some anti-infantry sponsons so it isn't a useless brick after blowing up the enemy spartan
>Two melta predators (I assumed they were bad, but only need to be lucky once)
>Two vindicators (either weapon works, can consider pintle-mounted multi-meltas for a cheeky glancing hit or bonus damage at close range)
>Melee contemptors with a chainfist seriously overlooked option I think, fast enough to charge turn 1 if a vehicles moves forward, always hit it on 2+ in melee, s 11 armourbane with 3 dmg, throw some melta weapons on it or a paired chainfist for additional dmg
>Lascannon deredeo

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Thanks for the pointers and feedback last night guys. How's this for a starting 1000 point Death Guard list? Mostly sticking to stuff I currently own which is a lot of normal dudes on foot:

COMMAND:
1x Centurion - 2x Bolter, Prime unit: Logistics LB - Elites

ELITES:
8-man Mortus Poisoner Squad:
6 with Alchem Flamer, 1 with Heavy Alchem Flamer, 1 Poison Master with Alchem Flamer and Phosphex Bombs

TROOPS:
10-man Assault Squad:
1 Sgt with Alchem Caster and Power Scythe, 2 with Power Sword and Alchem Caster, 7 standard with chain sword and bolt pistol. Prime unit: Combat Vets

2 units of 15-man Inductii Squads:
2 with Rotor Cannons, 1 with Rotor Cannon and Nuncio-vox, 12 standard with bolters

TRANSPORT:
Rhino with a Combi-Bolter and a Heavy Flamer

SUPPORT:
7-man Heavy Support Squad:
7 with Heavy Bolters, including a Sgt, and a Nuncio-vox

>>96969534
That's not a bad idea at all. Need to get me some lascannons.

>>96974963
If possible change the following about the units you listed:
>Centurion: can't have two bolters, no point to having two bolters because can only shoot one, take a melee weapon

>Assault squad: take any other power weapon than power swords on the two regular assault marines

Also get a unit for the centurion to join, something like a centurion or praetorion command squad on foot in a rhino.

>>96974978
Damn that sucks re double bolters. New recruit let me do it so I figured it'd work. Guess the same goes for any double weapon.
Any specific reason swords aren't recommended? The lances seemed interesting to try and snipe our special units.

Also noted on the command squad. I did have a command squad in the tutorial game a friend ran me through and they spent most of the game afflicted with status conditions and didn't end up doing much. I can try stuffing them in the rhino instead of the poisoner squad.

Anything stick out as what I might be able to drop to wedge that in? Maybe some inductii?

Was also told to start building for 2K instead since the game "works better at higher points", but I don't have a ton of the flashy stuff like terminators and tanks yet, so I wanted to slow grow my way there, but I guess I can just proxy or borrow until then.

>>96974624
Bring a felblade and shit on any armor that shows up.

>>96975071
>bringing lords of war to normal games

>>96975056
It's just that power swords have less stat benefits than other power weapons whilst costing the same. They aren't bad enough to not take them ever, but not great either.
Command squad wants to be in a rhino, even if just for the extra mobility. And give them a nuncio vox if possible, should help with status effects (though having status effects for a whole game is usually an indication of very poor dice rolls, also command squads only care about pinning and routed as those are the only ones that stop them from charging)
Would probably drop the assault squad for them, a command squad provides much better melee than they do. Otherwise the HSS squad with heavy bolters for it, you already have the mortus poisoners (in rhino I assume) for infantry killing.

You do lack ranged vehicle killing power, but for 1000 points that's not that much of an issue. And you can still charge vehicles with rear AV 10 with any infantry to kill it with krak grenades.

The game is still a lot of fun at lower points in my opinion, also because you'll usually only have to deal with one single reaction.

>>96973381
>>96973587
It's not that GW designers can't do it (though this is also true), it's intentionally done to keep them from having the same silhouette as regular 40k Skitarii and thus ensuring multiple systems aren't interchangeable

>>96975117
Nibba if you are bringing 3 venerators i think bringing a single felblade in place of those 3 is not out of this world to do.

>>96973381
They look like skaven

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>put together a Saturnine dread
>all these fucking pieces that make up the lower half
>all that detail obscured on the top half after the pauldrons get attached

Figure that I'll ask, are Armiger and Questoris knights any more or less tedious to assemble?

>>96973381
To be fair any model will look like utter shit with that colour scheme. Whoever decided on that deserves to be fired.

>>96975117
>pissing and shitting your pants about some of the worst units in the game being allowed in 3000pt+ games

>>96975227
There worst color mistake was painting the fellblade in that super clean and bright iron warriors scheme. Absolutely the worst way to showcase a big fat LoW made of flat panels.

>>96975227
It seems like a similar case to those 40k TS mechs they got earlier in the year. Where the model isn't inherently bad, but Citadel's default color scheme for them fucking sucked.