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>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper format
https://pdhhomebase.com/
https://www.pdhrec.com/

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

>TQ
How many lands do you run in your decks?
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Dumping these for funsies
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Predicitons for the MH UB:
>Rathalos, King of the Skies (probably Legendary because commander even though it shouldn't be, probably monoR)
>Fatalis, Black Dragon (rakdos, Elder Dragon, 7+cmc with splashy effect)
>Nergigante, Eater of Elders (Gruul or Jund, +1+1 counter theme, maybe Devour Dragon X?)
>Zinogre, Lord of Lightning (Wolf Dragon?)
>Maybe something to rep Wilds, maybe Arkveld?
>Reprint of Rampant Growth with art featuring Wilds' climate change thing
>Colossus Hammer reprinted as Hunter's Greatsword
>Probably some fuckass card like Hunter's Insight that is only there because it has Hunter in the name
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>>96983428
Actually now that i think about it, wouldn't be Wolf Dragon, would be Wolf Drake. It's still weird to me that MTG doesn't have Wyvern as a creature type
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>>96983428
Forgot the mandatory Palico or Felyne card
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Why do people hate board interaction?

I exile/remove a wincon piece and suddenly you wanna kill yourself at the table?
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>>96983377
>How many lands do you run in your decks?
37 on average. Highest is 41 in my Greensleeves deck
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Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
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>>96983442
Commander only players are weak bitches. Find a pod of 60 card players who have the urge to fuck around if you want a real game.
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How does this look?
Does anyone have the Atypical Commander Recommendations infographic?
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>>96983377
>TQ
Depends on the deck, but most run 34. Only odd duck out is my Captain Sisay deck at 30.
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>>96983428
I desperately want a Seltas and Seltas Queen that meld into the two stacked together and that can detach and unmeld. Maybe even throwing the Seltas at something. Maybe mono green or Golgari.
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>>96983428
reminder that MH can't be done as a standard set simply because it would put the shitfest that's called Ikoria to shame
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>>96983458
Use this instead of tap.
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>>96983458
Looks cool, but it's a little unclear which is supposed to be Oswald.
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did someone just say something bad about mtg? WTF???? HOW CAN THEY SAY SOMETHING BAD???
pretty sure they don't play the game.
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>>96983724
Nice try, poopdickschizo
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better as commander or on the 99?
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>>96983458
This effect has literally never been abused ever.
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>>96983793
>9 mana
you are casting this 1 time max if running as a commander
put it in the 99, at least you can reanimate or cheat it into play that way
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>>96983793
99. Val is the most "designed to be reanimated" card ever. You are just not casting this bitch.
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>>96983398
Done did that, gets old after the second time
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i just hope the prerelease doesnt eat up the whole lgs and i get to play some commander tonight
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>>96983964
Godspeed anon. My LGS will basically be nothing but sweaty ass cleavage and heavy breathing all weekend.
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>politics in edh

No
Just no

You are not a schemer. You are not Macheiavelli. You are not a mastermind. Just play your fucking cardboard cards with colored pictures in silence, ok?
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>>96984215
Those who choose to be ignorant of the politics of their own play will constantly be the victim of the political dynamics they unknowingly create.
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>>96984215
my solution to that is just playing 1v1 commander
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>>96984215
No. I WILL convince your other opponents to target you over me because I can speak instead of just flicking my cards like an autistic. I WILL be charming and affable at the Lgs pod and it will mean I have less removal coming my way. I WILL make deals and truces that far more benefits me over you and the rest of the table. Your group won't even notice except you, anon. And like Cassandra they won't listen and the more you complain the more they'll help me kill you first.
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>>96983377
>TQ
37 is the magic number for me. I was always told to get somewhere between 36 to 38 in my decks. I always make sure I have something like 7-10 basic lands in my decks just in case there's some "destroy all your nonbasics and search your deck for that amount of basics" bullshit going on.
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>>96984215
Politics has always worked for me.
>have a deck I know people will target me for
>also know having a buddy to cover me would help
>convince one player to be my friend for a bit so we can cover each other
>agree we'll slap each other's shit once the other two players are dead
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>>96983377
>tq
35-37 depending on curve. Most of them basics.
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Am I the only one who runs 34-35 lands?
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>>96984300
Bringing your boyfriend to play with you is not the same as politics anon
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>>96984215
>play cards without announcing anything
worst kind of player
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>>96984215
t. Lost to politicking
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>>96984300
My wife and her sister do this by default and if they manage to kill my brother-inlaw and me they just shake hands and call it a draw
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>>96983377
>tq
35 to start, ive gone up to 38.
In general i dont count mdfc lands in my total, Idk why deckbuilders do.
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>>96983377

The bracket system is so convoluted and artificial that it ruined my interest in EDH altogether.
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>>96984757
Unless you pubstomp, its not really relevant. The increase in ‘its a 7’iggers was made for the competitive cancer players that refuse to go to cedh, so now we have a bracket system that they ‘exploit’ to go ‘its legally 1!’
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>>96983377
>go to pauper event for the first time at new store
>first time in sanctioned 60 card event
>get second with friend's deck
>pull roaming throne in the promo pack
>don't have anything worth running it in
Just another dad in my stupid greencel life
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Just stopping by to remind people they are suffering from sunk cost, and are capable of freeing themselves from this piece of shit game whenever they feel like it.
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>>96984778
yes my true duals are bracket 1
is ramp not bracket 1?
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>>96984215
I do avoid to do politics, but only because im well know to have back-stabbing tendencies and i'll fuckin' do it again
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>>96983454
This is the issue. I used to play "bracket 2/3" equivalent modern decks on mtgo and just got the shit beat out of me on the reg by tier 1 decks. But every 1/100 games I'd find another like me, and we'd have treefolk tribal vs whatever the fuck they had, and it'd be a fun time.
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>>96984778
It is relevant because it's retarded. I can play literally nothing but draw for 6 turns, and you cant kill me, lest I scream and cry bracket violating pubstomper. Then when I combo off on turn 8, teehee, I'm bracket 2 what can I say

Meanwhile aggro decks just get shit on, never endingly, allowing players to become midrange slop piles with impunity.
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>>96984924
This post just reads like someone who played removal tribal, and the other players did nothing but draw and then combo’d out on turn 8

That sounds really boring, maybe read the simple bracket descriptions. The more you piss people off in a casual format, the less they want to play with you. Go to cedh
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>>96984924
Are you intentionally disingenious or are you just pretending to be stupid?
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>>96985006
I think it's the third, worse option: He's not pretending to be stupid
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>>96984819
>Green has nothing worth running Roaming Throne in
E-E-E-E-E-ELFBALL
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>>96985027
I suppose if I want to be lame af
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The thing about bracket rules, game changers and turn limits is that they're currently imagining a normal person capable of communication and designing the system around them, not around the most evil antisocial sicko possible who plays only to frustrate and annoy their alleged friends
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>>96985121
I wouldn't call them evil. I think it's more a mix of autism and not reading properly. WotC's bigest error is providing some loose rules open for interpretation to a community filled with undiagnosed autists that will sperg out on any change. A subset of them will then also go to LGS and pubstomp with their "midpower" deck.
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>>96984345
quasi related, I always narrative/announce all my game actions. "I cast this, if it resolves x will happen, Y triggers and Z draws" which is probably not really needed considering I only play low power, but people who try to cast things without announcing what it is almost always tend to be people who think they are CEDH level players.
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>>96984924
>can play literally nothing but draw for 6 turns, and you cant kill me, lest I scream and cry bracket violating pubstomper
It's not out of bracket to *lose* in previous turns, and if you expose yourself like a retard and die as a result nobody will say it's out of bracket
>then when I combo off on turn 8, teehee, I'm bracket 2 what can I say
if you comboed and won after doing nothing for 7 turns straight then it's on the rest of the table
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>>96985139
In my LGS at least people like that would be filtered out because people would obviously notice they're intentionally misleading other people as to the powerlevel of their deck; it's no different from just straight up lying about what bracket it's on.
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>>96984215
Alright, bet.
I convince other people you're the threat because you're playing too seriously in a casual format.
If you can 3v1 us then it reinforces my claim and people will constantly view you with suspicion. If not outright bump you out from sheer gullibility.
If you can't then its obviously because there's too much attention on you, and you're playing the small bean until you combo out and win.
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>>96985065
don't talk about my waifu like that
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>>96985225
Bind a rock to the witch! If she still floats, it proves she's a witch. Else, tough luck I guess?
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Unsolicited Magic night report
>bracket 3 table
>keep a Sol Ring opener
>top deck Sapphire Medallion turn 1
>somehow table does not see this as threatening
>win

Much as I enjoy this deck, I think a month is enough. Similar to a polymorph deck I threw together earlier this year it flies under the radar because your average commander player can't understand someone with a turbo-charged mana rock commander in play is a major threat.

It might get one more night at the store if the mailman doesn't send me the last cards for my next deck.

But otherwise I enjoyed the aesthetic of the deck more than playing it, though I blame those random tables populated by people who just don't know how to deal with control.
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Gonna position my response as someone who only plays randos on mtgo. As i see it, you dont need a bracket system with friends, as you'll just give each other shit for doing lame stuff. Bracket system seems made for playing with randos, and god knows there's no place more pubstompy and without morals than mtgo. Puttin your bracket in the game description can be helpful (like minded players) or hurtful (they know they can pubstomp b2 with their b4), but you just accept you're gonna lose sometimes and move on.

the whole "die by turn X" thing doesnt make sense to me. I play the wise mothman precon, unmodified, in b2 games online. Dudes will be t6 with a "draw something"/"treasure token" creature as their sole line of defense, dyin to mothman, complaining about brackets. So either this was a t3 precon (as I can kill someone t6), or the new bracket rules are faggoty. I lean towards the latter.
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>>96984215
Yes, I am all of those things. And you will deal with the hounds I unleash on you, homo
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>>96985121
>>96985139
The issue is that the kind of people who can navigate the bracket system without abusing it don't need such a system in the first place. It just makes deck construction WAY harder and provides absolutely no benefit.
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>>96985404
None of that is true. It provides useful guidelines: a list of problematic cards and behaviours (such as extra turns) and expectations for the deck.
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>>96985404
It provides substantial benefit, and deck building is easier than ever. The bracket system works like a chinese finger trap. The more you optimize lower brackets, the more it works against you. ‘But tropical island is bracket 1!’
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>>96985231
I'll say what I wish about your SLATTERNLY wife, assamattauhfac
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>>96985404
You guys ever really listened to Gavin Verhey or whoever's talking about the brackets and stuff in their writing and whatnot? You can tell it's kind of dripping with contempt. Like, they're fully aware the only reason this stuff is necessary is because there are just these like malevolent, socially awkward weirdos who need specific instructions on how not to be a massive fucking asshole in a format that was designed to be a break from the competitiveness of 60 card formats. Every time I've sat down to play commander with one of these fucking freaks that put in some shit like bloodmoon or some stupid lock that makes the game unfun for everyone else, they've been physically repulsive, socially stunted, and overall a pathetic person.
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Post decks instead of arguing like women
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>>96985787
I don't find the set much interesting, but this Ozai has me wanting to build him. Probably as just the most braindead 'ramp red mana' possible to drop shit like fireball or earthquake or whatever x spell once it hits critical mass.
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>>96985787
>UB slop

Pass
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>>96985787
What colors should I try and draft for Avatar tonight anons? Yea yea UB is gay, but drafting is fun
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>>96985888
Naya
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All commander player born after 2018 can't threat assess. All they know is landfall, play they commander, make token, and lie about power.
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>>96986035
I wish this was real
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>>96986052
same, anon. same.
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>>96985787
>avatar
Sir, this is a magic thread.
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>>96984215
really drawing all the faggots who sperg out when you attack them for 2 on turn 4 with this.
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>>96985649
lmaooo this nigga got filtered by blood moon
run more basics faggot
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>>96985404
100% this.
If you are playing in good faith, you don't need it.
If you are playing in bad faith, you can now pubstomp with wotcs blessing.
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>>96985404
Once again I take the blackpill that Commander players are collectively retarded and could be convinced Vintage is a good format.
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>>96986204
from the people i know its less about pubstomping and more about defending their zero interaction deck by claiming every counter to their deck is against the InTeNtIoN of bracket x.
i.e. guy is proud he plays no interaction, only business but dont you dare play rest in peace, dictate of erebos or og elesh norn against him.
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>>96986240
im utterly baffled how you people are surrounded by others who have never learned from lack of interaction. It took me two games to realize I needed to adjust my playstyle to improve. Took me a lot more to realize how much protection/interaction was needed, but still.
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>>96986250
the majority of commander players don't care enough to get better at magic in general, they just want to slam their pieces of cardboard onto the table
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>>96986250
what do you mean by never learned? they dont want an interactive game. they treat commander as a euro board game where everybody plays by themselves and after an hour someone shouts bingo and wins.

>>96986283
this.
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>>96986240
This. Brackets are a victim card, nothing more or less.
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>>96986283
>>96986286
maybe i can thank the sweats at the lgs who loved to try and pubstomp. I once brought a precon only to be met with atraxa, ur dragon and jodah.
Had to very quickly improve if I wanted to play more than 3 turns.
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lets go bois.
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>>96986315
HAHHAHHAHHA how embarassing
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MH Secret Lair official stuff, yeah it's just reskins sadly.
https://www.mynewsdesk.com/uk/bastion-uk/pressreleases/wizards-of-the-coast-and-capcom-r-announce-magic-the-gathering-r-secret-lair-x-monster-hunter-superdrop-3416433
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>>96986326
>sadly
holy shit I lived to see the day people actually turned around on super limited mechanically unique card fomo lairs
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>>96986326
I think its better than having mechanically unique cards. better miss out on bling than actual game pieces.
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>>96986321
>being embarassed about your waifu
weak
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>>96986353
>that blocky ass zoomed in face
tasteless
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>>96986326
>Drakuseth is Rathalos
I mean I guess that works mechanically and thematically.
>Sarulf is Zinogre
That's just wrong.
>Razaketh is Gore Magala
???
>Wasitora is Nargacuga
I mean, sure, just by necessity of Cat Dragon, but doesn't really fit well.
>Vaevictis is Nergigante
I... SORT of get it, but not really.
>Ziatora is Fatalis
Meh, kinda works, though Fatalis doesn't really have a 'hoard' thing going.
>Kalamax is Brachydios
I mean, doesn't really vibe at all.
>Nezuhal is Lagiacrus
Yeah, sure, fair.
>Amareth is Velkhana
I guess thematically is fine?
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>>96986358
you mistyped hilarious. cant wait to show it to the boys.
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>>96986315
oof
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>>96986326
This says the first is a reskin but will the others be as well? I fucking hope it's not all reskins.
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>>96986374
They showed four drop's worth of cards there and named those four drops. They didn't specify exactly which was which but it's kinda obvious (I think the site just lists them all in a block for the first lair but that's not right at all).
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>>96986326
>sad about reskins
dawg, mechanically unique sl are CANCER
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>>96986397
yeah. there is no way jews of the coast would sell a 19 card lair for $29.99
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Im going to the Avatar pre-release with my buddies from commander and Im going to have fun playing UB: Avatar as if it were MTG
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>>96986366
>bad thing good actually
yes seth, the second hand embarrassment will be a riot I'm sure
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>>96986436
stop trying to use my obsession with azula to fuel your shizo rants.
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>>96986326
If they had any balls, Gore Magala would be Skittles.
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>>96986315
I wanna fuck Azula
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>>96986413
too bad it's seeded packs. i skip those pre-releases.
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>>96986326
Fucking Jaws gets a mechanically unique card but MH only gets lame ass reskins, most of which don't fit the monster they're supposed to be representing at all.
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>>96983402
In modern MTG this removes at best like 30% of your opponents creatures. Everything is legendary now.
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>>96986397
Oh right. That's a good point. It seemed like a lot of cards to bunch into one lair.
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>>96983428
So how do the secret lairs work anyways? They are teasing the MH thing right now. Will they just shadow drop the sale or do they announce the date/time before hand?
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>>96986474
>too bad it's seeded packs. i skip those pre-releases.
Give me the full schizo breakdown of pre-release packs
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>>96986436
never turn your hobby into a career
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Got my hands on a Hazel deck at the lgs today. What are some squirrel cards I should look out for to weed out the filthy non-rodent cards and make it a real tribal? Already have a fancy Chatterfang to play as the commander.
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>>96986436
Is it true that Seth is a conservative and dare I say, based?
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>>96985535
>>96986575
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>>96986586
It's included in there, thank God.
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>caring if strangers think you are "cringe"
Are you guys 16 or something
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>>96986594
hello, saffron olive!
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>>96986531
a corporate psyop designed to neuter the soul of limited and turn your hype weekend into a soulless tierlist tournament.
everyone piles into the top seed. Casual timmy picks his fave color? Gets curb-stomped by chad who meta-slaved the best color combination. Weak seeds = auto-losses.

real sealed is pool evaluation mastery: crack 6 random packs, splash off-color bombs, force weird synergies, outbuild your opponent.

seeded? encourages bad habits. overlook your strong random pool because muh seed says gruul.
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>>96986594
>being a mindless consumer doesn't bother me
It should.
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>>96986594
At least this place is better than /mtg/ somehow, take solace in that anon
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I know making a token that enters tapped and attacking doesn't count as declaring an attack, but does it count toward the number of players attacked for things like Raid?
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>>96986575
Somebody could probably clean these filters up, but this should grab everything. There's not actually that many legal squirrel cards in the game:
https://scryfall.com/search?q=legal%3Acommander+and+%28oracle%3Asquirrel+or+type%3Asquirrel%29+and+%28color%3Ag+or+color%3Ab+or+color%3Ac%29&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
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>>96986662
Yup, sure does!
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>>96986621
You are in the consumer general
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>>96985649
>board locks aren't allowed
Imagine playing a card game and getting mad at strategy.
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>>96986353
Based
Though Azula is still a weird choice.
>>96986436
This guy bothers me for reasons I cannot even really put into words.
I don't think he's a bad guy probably, but I just can't watch his videos.
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>>96986681
I am in the EDH general and if you can't tell the difference, then you have a problem.
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>someone mentions their deck is built with pivots
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>>96986758
I've never heard that terminology in the 15 years I've been playing edh.
I imagine they mean they change from plan a to plan b.
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>>96986758
the fuck is a pivot
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>>96986758
Soooooo... multiple wincons? Like how a deck is supposed to be built?
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>>96986482
Don't play vs UB decks and the number of legendaries will be reduced significantly
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is zur the ultimate toolbox commander? sorry henzie
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>>96986806
>always has been.jpg
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>>96986681
>>>/toy/
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>>96986436
>the answer is, I used to, but then WotC said they'd blacklist me if I didn't slurp UB's shaft and give UB's nuts some attention
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>>96986315
Waifufags were a mistake.
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>>96986315
wtf naruto set when
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>>96986843
>Waifufags are based
ftfy
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>>96986846
Eventually, I'm sure.
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>>96986858
>dredd
fuck I'd be a mark.
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>>96986858
>>96986846
I don't want this but it would be infinitely better than any of the shitty western IPs they use like TMNT, Marvel, Etc. At least the Japanese wouldn't let them race swap people and the art would be good.
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>>96986868
>At least the Japanese wouldn't let them race swap people and the art would be good.
Lmao I remember when the argument used to be that UB wasn't woke and was therefore good. How far you've fallen.
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>>96986876
when was that ever an argument? maybe warhammer had that defense but literally ever other ip thats crossovered has been some of the most woke franchises around.
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>>96986876
Given that LotR is whats seared into my memory for UB, yes its insanely woke and I'll never forgive them for it.
But eastern studios don't let them bastardize their IPs.
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I like UB and UW I also want to fuck Firebending Student, Toph, and Azula
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>>96986797
Even in universe decks are stuffed to the brim with legends now. They said they were cutting back, but so far thats only been applied in EoE.
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>>96986903
>Even in universe decks are stuffed to the brim with legends now.
There were like 12 in all of Edge of Eternities
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>>96986797
What if you're playing against a Jodah, the Unifier or Shanid, Sleepers' Scourge?
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>>96986911
re-read his post anon
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>>96986911
Did you just get tired of reading that post halfway or something
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>>96986858
Please say this is real I will put up with all the shit if I get a Dredd UB set.
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>>96986927
Yeah, and?
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>>96986940
>give up reading something halfway
definitely a magic player
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>>96986918
Then you don't give that player the creature you're gonna Eradicate???
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>The commander is setup and payoff
>Every turn
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>>96986939
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>>96986949
what if I want to though?
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>>96986954
>tfw I'm all three
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>>96986954
>Making yourself the wojak in your own meme
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>>96986944
In fairness, WotC should put restrictions on effects at the start and not the end. It's THE most important part

>Whenever your opponent casts a blue spell, counter that spell. If you do, you may kick that player in the groin X times where X is the number of cards in their hand. For each cry of pain that player makes in response to being kicked, exile target creature that player controls. Activate only once each decade, only on the 2nd Monday of the month, and only as a sorcery.
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>>96986616
Man I was so wrong about Tarkir, Sultai ended up being the bullshit deck.
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>>96986967
Are you posting from 2012???
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>>96986954
Imagine being so miserable.
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>>96986967
that's literally the meme template, yes.
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>>96986992
>LE LET PEOPLE LE ENJOY LE THINGS
No, this is a corporate psyop to encourage uncritical consumption.
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>>96986994
at least make yourself look proud to not take part in UB anon
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>>96983793
unless your deck is cost reduction tribal you don't want to run a guy that costs more than 5 in the zone unless he only needs to hit the field once
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>>96987005
Picrel is me responding to you putting that on the stack.
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>>96987007
If he was proud wouldn't he be playing a different game
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>>96987015
sunk cost I guess
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>>96987007
>I have a different opinion of how you should express yourself, you HAVE to do as I say!
Holy fucking reddit.
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>>96987007
I'm just so tired, though.
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>>96987022
If you wanna portray yourself as a defeated faggot in your own meme that's your issue anon
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>>96987030
You've never made a meme that has gone viral, and it shows
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>>96986326
>page not found
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>>96987034
>He made the meme to go viral
somehow that's more sad anon
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>>96986902
>I also want to fuck Firebending Student
good lord same godDAMN
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>>96987034
this is the most zoomer ass shit I think I've ever seen posted here
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>>96986478
I'd say it's like half and half for reskins. Nargacuga kinda had to be Wasitora unless they wanted to just exclude the Dragon typing, but that would feel awkward, but why the fuck is Gore Magala Razaketh?
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whoever wishes secret lairs had more unique cards are npcs
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>>96987067
Because skittles would have pushed the secret lair value too above the reprint threshold that they like to maintain
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>>96987005
stop strawmanning.
All I said is you are a miserable person.
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>>96987083
yeah
literal bots
>>96987087
we don't recognize the secondary market btw
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I have so many fans of my parnesse, transformers and monoblue burn decks, that’d I figure Ill share my morty deck

https://archidekt.com/decks/17411880/dark_bargain
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>>96986992
miserable situations make people miserable, go figure.
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>>96987118
man that's one butt-ugly deck
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>>96984215
>Friend 1 has a threat that will probably win the game next turn
>taps out to try to play a protection piece (mithril coat) to make sure it can't be destroyed
>tell Friend 2 and 3 I have a removal spell I can take out 1's threat but I don't have a counter spell
>Friend 2 does but would need to tap out to use it and it would leave him vulnerable
>Friend 2 3 and me agree to a one round truce so 2 can tap out to counter the coat and I can remove 1's boy on my turn
>Friend 1 is fuming and trying to guilt us that we're teaming up against him and that we shouldn't get so long to talk in response to his play
>Friend 2 counters the coat and on my turn I remove the threat and we all honour the one round truce
>Friend 1 rages and just starts playing to lose to spite us

Good times. Commander is fun.
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>>96987005
Don't heckin yuck my yum!
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>>96987036

1x Blind Obedience: Malzeno from Monster Hunter Rise: Sunbreak
1x Snap: Kushala Daora from Monster Hunter 2
1x Village Rites: Magnamalo and Tobi-Kadachi from Monster Hunter Rise
1x Mizzium Mortars: Yian Garuga from Monster Hunter Generations and Monster Hunter 2
1x Tooth and Nail: Azure Rathalos and Seregios from Monster Hunter 4 [21:36]

The Hunters

1x Grand Abolisher: Tigrex Armor with Bone Scythes from Monster Hunter Generations and Monster Hunter Freedom 2
1x Archaeomancer: Velkhana Armor with Slinger and Winged Seraphyd Greatsword from Monster Hunter World: Iceborne
1x Grim Haruspex: Nargacuga Armor with a Hidden Eye Light Bowgun from Monster Hunter P2G/MHFU
1x Imperial Recruiter: Rathalos Armor with Red Tigrex Claws; Brachydios Armor with Burning Knocker; Gore Malaga Armor and Royal Rose from Monster Hunter 4G
1x Champion of Lambholt: Astalos Armor with Verdant Lightning Shield from Monster Hunter Generations.

The Monsters and The Monsters II

Nezahal, Primal Tide: Lagiacrus from Monster Hunter 3
Drakuseth, Maw of Flames: Rathalos from Monster Hunter Generations
Sarulf, Realm Eater: Zinogre from Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Vaevictis Asmadi, the Dire: Nergigante from Monster Hunter World
Ziatora, the Incinerator: Fatalis from Monster Hunter World: Iceborne
Razaketh, the Foulblooded: The Gore Malaga from Monster Hunter 4
Amareth, the Lustrous: Velkhana from Monster Hunter World: Iceborne
Wasitora, Nekorus Queen: Nargacuga from Monster Hunter Portable 2nd Generation/Monster Hunter Freedom Unite
Kalamax, the Stormsire: Brachydios from Monster Hunter 3 Generations
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>>96987118
Based deck anon, I kneel
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>>96987131
Then post your sexiest deck
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>>96987121
miserable people should go make themselves happy instead of doomposting and mocking people who enjoy themselves.
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>>96987153
I will when I damn well feel like it, faggot
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>>96987159
Miserable people should figure out what is making them miserable first
This is part of the process mr npc
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>>96987165
Gotta make edits to your edhrec copysloppa huh?
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>>96987093
The implication being that you are not miserable because you have your piggy snout in the slop bucket.
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>>96987179
>Miserable people should figure out what is making them miserable first
Hi, yeah, I've got the answer to this one. I'm miserable because a game I loved for years is being used to sell ad space for 3rd party IPs to feed greedy corporate suits. Thanks.
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>>96987159
>tone policing 4chan
ha
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>>96987185
thats not implication, thats strawmanning
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>>96987159
I would be happy when you and every other UBpiggy fucks off or dies
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>>96987196
curious, tell me more...
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>>96987159
literally you on the left
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holy shit the spam bots got activated across /tg/
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>Another thread slowly devolving to nothing but doomposting and back and forth bitching at each other.
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>>96987234
something something ubslop something something purity of my game something something reddit.
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>>96987215
Actually me
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>>96987118
>monoblue burn decks
Post it. I tried to make something like this for Mindskinner and couldn't find anything
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>>96987249
https://moxfield.com/decks/NxnhtCqZ_keU2HAlAFgnag


Ive rotated a few cards, i need to update it
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>>96987234
The game is in a bit of a shit state these days, it's what happens
On one hand edh is in probably the best state its been in since FIRE was introduced
on the other hand mtg as a whole is coming unrecognizable, the longer we go down this road the worst it will become.
Maybe things will change but until then I will spend my time expressing my displeasure so get used to it.
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>>96987234
Why are Americans like this?
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>>96987261
we need to go deeper
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>>96987280
It's 100% fine to express displeasure but damn at least talk about what you like about the game, post your decks and what makes you stay as well. Not saying you don't but many anons just come here to bitch and offer nothing productive
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i'd like to put together a deck that operates mostly as a control deck. i know that really narrows down to specific archetypes in edh and the nature of 4 player games. any suggestions for starting points to get the ball rolling? i mostly want the increased flexibility to reliably have answers for a few problem commanders in my playgroup, which i feel naturally lends itself to more of a control shell of a deck.
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>>96987309
Be the change you want to see in the thread, as for myself, I am more than content to express how much I hate the direction of the game.
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>>96987320
great blog, how do I unsubscribe?
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>>96987320
I suggest Grand Arbiter because he's funny
>>96987330
Well more power to you anon, I hope the game becomes something you can enjoy again
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>>96987309
>but many anons just come here to bitch and offer nothing productive
You'd be surprised how much of that is actually one guy
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Thots? Does she replace Ruby and Radha?
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>>96987234
>nyooo only positive vibes in MY dojo!
Reddit is down the hall
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>>96987443
>He bitches with other people only because it's 4chan and nothing else.
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>>96987456
wtf are you even trying to say lol
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Can't believe I'm getting sick right before commander night. It's so over.
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>>96986679
>>96986662
nta, but I really, really hate the fact that a creature that enters attacking doesn't get its attack trigger. etb gets its triggers from literally anything, like reanimate, sneak attack, flicker. attack triggers? sorry no cheating allowed.
what is the actual reasoning behind it?
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I'm really digging grandma.
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>>96987525
Because attacking is a specific timing. There is time to react. A creature entering attacking completely warps that into double archon of cruelty triggers with myriad, for example
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Third attempt for Eluge. First one was Timmy spells tribal, or rather - do nothing, scare everyone with the commander and have it draw all the hate of the table. The second iteration was lots of free counter spells, so I could protect Eluge somewhat but had no way to win the game. I'm trying to be much less aggressive/splashy and focus on defensive counter magic and voltron shit. Is it dumb? My friend group really hated the ton of counter spells, so in the spirit of playing together, I'd rather remove their stuff if needed rather than counter it, unless it directly threatens me.
Mono U voltron seems to rely on artifacts, is it stupid to go in this direction? I have absolutely no artifact synergy in that deck otherwise.
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>>96987525
That actually of making a creature attack and actually attacking are two different things in Magic. I would explain more but your words/wording reminds me of an autist a few months ago who, despite several anons explaining it, just wouldn't get it nor the reasoning behind it, which turned to spite trolling when other anons mocked him. Sorry but if you're him, I'll not be caught by your trap once more.
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>>96987309
>at least talk about what you like about the game,
Fuck, this is the most broken-home shit i've ever heard
You don't have to constantly surround yourself with positivity, faggot. It's actually a lot worse if you do
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>>96986478
It is bizarre. God knows what their priorities are with those.
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>>96987118
I always wanted to make Mortarion work. How does this usually play out?
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>>96987392
Ruby has some niche applications in getting 3RRR and 4RRR costs out on turn 4. Radha has a niche in being able to trigger Blighted Woodland a turn sooner. Susan's niche is being able to run Temur or Naya colors.
Susan + Tenth is probably her best pairing because it gives her a mana outlet she can use later. Susan + War is also notable because it's easy to fit in cascade/discover with no legal targets so War Doctor can one-shot players.

Source: Ruby's my main deck, I did Susan + Tenth for a while but adding blue doesn't offer as much as it normally would because of the naturally high curve and difficulty using counterspells with cascade.
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>Treasures

Treasures now say it doesn’t trigger abilities when it’s sacrificed for mana.


Good/bad?
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>>96987557
I try to play mine mostly defensive, getting as many flood counters as possible so I can cast my huge spells.
But my group still hates him because later in the game, turns can take forever.
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>>96987602
Exceptionally bad. I don't even know why you think this is something they should change.
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>>96987610
Because sacrificing treasures in aristocrats with all this token doubling shit is stupid
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>>96985027
It's fun with Dinosaurs.

Vault Tyrant turns into Draw 2, Gain 6. Etalis pop twice. I can't think of much else off the top of my head - new player and all - but even just the VT is great. Going from like 35 to 53 in a single main phase and gaining cards off it? Intoxicating.
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>>96987557
It's hard to go entirely wrong with artifact beat down. Blue has more than a few searchers for it and Eluge's naturally growing power makes him a good candidate for it.
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Cope: MH cards aren't mechanically unique because there's a full MH set in the works, its a UB that fits really well with Magic
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>>96987609
How do you try to win the game?
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>>96987623
Sounds like you should find another game
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>>96987640
That's good to hear. I built an artifact discount deck with Saheeli in the past, but never artifact beatdown/equipment centered. Any recommendations, pitfalls I should look out for? Commander's plate looks so good in a mono colored deck, but I just removed it from my maybeboard. It's just too expensive.
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>>96986954
>NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND I LOVE THIS CORPORATE CARD GAME I ONLY WANT ART I LIKE ON IT
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>>96987652
Annoying people enough to throw the game.
But seriously, mostly by removing/stealing my opponents blockers and then killing them during my extra turns.
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>>96987716
this but unironically
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>>96985787
>the bracket 4 decks focus on each other because it's just denying infinites back and forth

>I get Discover triggers into some clown shit like Ojer which gets Haste and procs a Ghalta

>"I really fucking hate Discover. What a trash mechanic."

My brother in Christ, I still lost the entire game to the infinite Walking Ballista the exact same turn you did.
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>>96987736
>Annoying people enough to throw the game.
Kek. In the beginning, I tried the latter but it turned out to be the former. Also, lots of extra turns were like "Ok, I have nowhere to attack, so I flicker eluge, get another flood counter and .. pass?"
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>>96987716
If something being made by a corporation meant you weren't allowed to be attached to it, there would be nothing left in the world.
Try and come up with a better own next time bud
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thoughts on vren the relentless
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>>96987801
Stop trying to be philosophical you manchild, you're crying about art in a children's card game
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>>96987809
he's neat. Would've built him but I'm burned out from doing blue/black decks
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>>96987809
He's the best removal.dec commander because he doesn't care how the cards get removed, and has the side benefit of winning instantly if your opponent is playing blink
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>>96987782
I am a retard and forgot to actually link my deck.

https://moxfield.com/decks/AII-0dD1gkan4n4XmYIg7Q
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>>96987562
>>96987556
I was probably the one who asked the question back then, the only thing that I remember is that I got no satisfying answer because everyone was fighting.
>Because attacking is a specific timing
I guess. It's probably the wording that gets to me, because "whenever attacks" specifically means "whenever declared as attacker during declare attackers step", and not "whenever attacking".
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>>96987851
>pantlaza tribalslop
Daring today, aren't we?
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>>96987005
I think honestly youre just really dumb anon
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>>96987062
This thread is pretty much just retarded zoomers and angry millennials now
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>>96987917
God forbid a man has fun with his card game, right?
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>>96987715
If you're in mono color you get to run Caged Sun and get the full benefit. There's also Brotherhood Regalia and any of the other unlockable to let you get in easier. The usual protection boots and greaves and Winged Boots if you're concerned about that. Swords of X and Y too. Really artifacts are so open ended you can pretty much run whatever specific types you want and see what works for your local meta.
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all of the X joins up enchantments should've been backgrounds change my mind
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>>96987946
>2 and even 3 color backgrounds

Retard
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>>96985830
Ozai looks like he'd be pretty fun. Just a massive flying guy who constantly generates more and more mana.
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>>96987149
>Fatalis from Iceborne
I hope that's just the site's reporting being shit and not it being advertised as 'from Iceborne'.
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Wtf I need this for Terra, it literally makes her reanimation free.
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>>96985787
I built Jameson recently. Initial more of a joke than anything but have been surprised by how much I've enjoyed him. It's mostly a bunch of menace creatures and extra combat enablers but it does it's job well trying to set up for the big waves of combat and swarming with menaces.
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>>96988037
It may be a Skyrim like thing where the majority don't even consider the franchise having began until it's big breakout release. World being that for Monster Hunter. Which is lame as fuck but it happens.
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>>96986662
>>96986679
No, it doesn't. "Number of players attacked" is "the number of players who have an attack declared against them". The same event that attack triggers look for is the one that marks a player as attacked. This is a known interaction with myriad and melee, where in addition to not getting the melee triggers, the myriad tokens don't make the original creature's melee bigger (you need other creature to attack those players to pump melee).

On the flip side, myriad doesn't stop exalted triggers for the exact same reason.

>>96987525
>>96987908
Because "enters" is a zone change event (which includes from outside the game like created tokens), but "attacks" is a state change event, which requires the creature to exist in one state and change to another. It's like entering tapped not triggering tap events: "tapping" is going from the untapped state to the tapped, which requires being untapped in play first.
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>>96988073
But the others are identified by their origin game correctly (except Rathalos which is bizarrely referred to as from Generations). They might be meant to be those specific depictions or something?
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>>96988061
If only it was in Rakdos colors it would be great
but considering this allows generous plunderer and professional facebreaker to pop off even more, it does kind of build itself.
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>>96984215
Some people call it "politics" when they just mean basic threat assessment and game theory ("hey let's both hold up interaction in case he has protection for his game ender") and some people think "politics" is the exact opposite ("hey I'll protect your game ender if you don't do 5 damage to me this turn")
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>>96988136
Wait, no, they also have Zinogre's wrong, he's from Portable 3rd, not 3U. That's a much smaller error though.
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with the upcoming hybrid mana change can I play Rograkh in my mono w equipment deck?
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>>96987814
>you're crying about art in a children's card game
>IT'S JUS LE HECKIN ART!!!!
It's not though, is it?
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>>96988156
Yes. You can quote me on that
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>>96988156
No, colour indicators still supersede that (and the rules haven't actually been implemented), it's specifically for hybrid because hybrid is either or.
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>>96988104
>have to learn endless pages of legal code for every basic rule to understand the game
are other card games like this too, or is this a WotC quirk?
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any thoughts on this? I really wanna buy the cards soon
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>>96987941
I had a Pantlaza deck too. I can't judge.
Mine was all about capitalizing on exile and cast-from-exile effects though.
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>>96988186
It's really quite simple once you understand the basics.
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>>96988176
thanks anon. i thought as much with all the "designed to be played in x colored decks" cope. with 0 mana he's clearly designed to be used in any deck.
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>>96988186
Nobody tell him about Opalescence + Humility.
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>>96988004
yes there should be two color backgrounds
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>>96988194
it's easy to learn, but so far I can't remember a game night where we didn't have to look up some rule clarifications. there is always SOMETHING
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>>96988201
>Humility
I don't need to know about that, I'm very humble already.
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>>96988139
Rakdos would have given him significantly more options. Mono red is fun but with how he's designed a lot of the deck naturally comes together without much looking around. Gaggle of bulk cards with menace and you're pretty much doing it already.
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>>96988061
>>96988139
first card that fit one of my decks perfectly, but I can't run it because it has a ridiculous capeshit meme character for art
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>>96988188
It's been a fun deck to modify as I go. It was actually some jank shit Maarika deck with a lot of fight spells before. I've been having crazy luck with Lost Cavern packs, so it turned into dinosaurs.
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>>96988156
Rograkh is mono red. He's not hybrid red/colorless.
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>>96984215
Just play 60 card formats. Politics is a major part of this format.
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>>96985142
I always read my cards out loud. I remember this thread mocking the idea of actually reading out your cards. I have played with people who don't know what popular staples are and will ask if I don't read it. I'm not going to just have everyone guess what something like Phyrexian Portal does and I'd rather not pass my card around the table for people to read.
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>>96988050
I feel like you'd rather just have a creature that firebends since it synergizes better.
I do like the Wall and the mythic Appa for terra though.
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>>96987557
Eluge is unequivocal slop. You have to constantly kill him or you're going to get drowned in value.
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>>96985787
There's no interesting commander in the set IMO. The closest I considered was the persistent petitioner twins, but the deck type is just way way too slow to work in my pod. I'm just picking up cards for my other decks. Lots of goodies for Greensleeves.
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>>96986315
I mean it's cool art.
I just get custom playmats because anything cool sells out fast and then costs 80+ on ebay or it is some exclusive con mat like the Dandan one.
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>>96988186
The card games that don't are either mechanically simple (and thus less interesting), or are chock full of inconsistencies because edge cases get resolved ad hoc and shoddily.
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>>96988395
Metalbender toph does interesting things by enabling landfall triggers with artifacts
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>>96986436
>Bagel? I AM GOING INSANE!
>Guys doing retarded faces or saying "QUENCHIEST SPARKY BOOM BOOM MAN SECRET TUNNEEEELLLL CABBAGES" is totally in line
So sick of these massive fucking hypocrites.
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>>96986594
They live in small towns where there's only like 40 regular people
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>>96986819
/toy/ sucks
>go to DBZ thread
>retards just arguing about how awesome garbage chinese bootlegs are
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>>96987196
Wow you must have a good life if a fucking game is what makes you depressed. I'm depressed because the government stole all my money and I can't eat anymore. You know, actual fucking problems.
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>>96987392
I use her in my 14TH Doctor deck because she is a timelord and synergizes with the deck. I'd never use her in anything else ever if I wasn't playing planechase.
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>>96988420
I already have a landfall deck and have no interest in taking it apart for a new one desu. I guess she is interesting but I prefer my lands deck.
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>>96984215
>politics in edh
politics are only bad because they are overused and mostly used wrong.

spotlighting is to remind, reveal or request information. keep it short for maximum value. a reminder that someone just played a combo piece is more efficient than holding a 5 min monologue on how its better for your opponent to hit someone else than you.

then there are deals. the youtube scene completely overdoes deals. the golden rule of deals is to only do things you planned on doing anyway. keep deals to lategame keep them short and simple.
i do/you do
i do/you dont
i dont/you dont
dont ever do threats.

congrats. you've learned the art of the deal.
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>>96988443
>malding about proxies outside of edhg
kekw
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>>96988449
>Wow you must have a good life if a fucking game is what makes you depressed.
I have a great life, I don't know why every fucking onions redditor instantly goes to this shit whenever people care about something
>durrrrrr u must be unhappy in other ways den!!!!!
No I just told you why I'm unhappy.
I'm a grown ass adult, I only have time for a couple hobbies in my life, and one I have invested a lot of time and money into has gone to absolute shit because of corporate greed, meanwhile a legion of retarded clapping seals are egging it on.
>the government stole all my money and I can't eat anymore.
Get a job EBTfaggot
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>>96988479
>bootleg figures are proxies
Kinda laughed ngl
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>>96988479
there are no proxies in my decks.
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>>96988553
QRD on this chick?
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>>96988449
>government stole all my money
Which government?
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>>96988559
plaphog
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>>96988559
Brainwashed by the fantasy gestapo, gets disappeared when her brainwashing starts to break, and replaced with somebody who has undergone the same brainwashing and claims to be the same person
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>>96988415
>full of inconsistencies because edge cases get resolved ad hoc and shoddily
that sounds like actual hell
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I own over 2000 mono black cards and only play mono black. Let me guess. You need more colors?
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>>96983964
Update, prerelease gobbled up all the tables. Saw a bunch of faces I do not recognize at all at regular FNM. No commander, I left sad. The line was so long I couldn't even shop singles.
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>>96988637
I admire your autism. Godspeed black-kun
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>>96988583
>>96988599
Sounds hot. God I love crazy/brainwashed chicks
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>>96988528
but bootlegs are in fact, proxies, because they are not like pirated media that are perfect copies, there will always be some small detail or flaw in physical product that separates them from the genuine article
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>>96988186
>have to learn endless pages of legal code for every basic rule to understand the game
or you can just use your phone and look up specific shit like "opalescence humility" like a normal nonretarded person
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>>96988808
When people talk about "bootlegs" for dbz figures they generally aren't talking about copies. They mean unlicensed Chinese companies who do their own molds and make their own unlicensed DBZ figures.
Since bandai is a shit, these sometimes end up better than the official versions.
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>>96988701
QRD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHmMuHvyOv8
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>>96988637
what is the funnest monoblack commander
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mono black mechs
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>>96988822
how many normal nonretarded person do you know that play magic
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>>96988972
Sheoldred the Apocalypse
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>>96988965
>asian accent
>crazy eyes
>even crazier smile
Good christ sign me the FUCK up
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>>96987149
aaaaaaand
its shit
apparently they paired the MonHun Monsters with a magic color pair "to capture the essence of the Monsters themselves", but looked at Zinogre and decided to just represent it with a legendary Wolf.
Zinogre is obviously Naya
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>>96986326
>no Deviljho
they even have the perfect card for him, much more fitting than any of the other picks.
You expect so little and still get presented steaming liquid shit
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>>96986240
>from the people i know its less about pubstomping and more about defending their zero interaction deck
Naw I had a """3""" player go nuts saccing all of his swamps for fast mana, playing a Breach, Entombing, and he manahed to combo off despite me having a Reprieve and the blue player also having interaction. Some people are shameless pubstompers who maube removed 1 GC from their bullshit deck so they can tell people its a 3
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>>96989114
Just don't express any non government mandated ideas around her, or you'll be taking a vacation to the lake.
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>>96989122
>>96989152
The worst part is this probably cucks us out of a real set. Have they ever done a secret lair first and made a set out of it later?
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SLfags are unhappy and I think that's great
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>expecting anything, anything whatsoever, from Crapcom
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>>96989263
Marvel Superheroes counts I guess
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I just pulled this.
Isn't it a tad slow for most formats?
I have no idea what tribe this might be good in beside Elf ball.
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>>96989296
Not having to name a creature type is good, but I think you have the target audience reversed: Elfball and Goblins and well-supported tribes have lots of ways to get mana based on number of creatures out, this is a good card for tribes that are less supported, or are supported with things other than card draw. This card will slap in Wizard or Monk tribal, would be my guess.
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>>96989296
It's good in rats
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>>96989296
lmao it's been such a long time since I've seen a card so blatantly designed for elfball. I love it to bits
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>>96989296
Well this set is full of ally support, so it was probably first and foremost made for that. But any slower tribal deck that can't generate its own mana will probably want this. Especially if they have untappers.
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>>96989296
Goblinball.
Non-green Humanball.
Non-green Soldierball.
Wizardball.
Non-green Faerieball.

Basically any tribe outside of green.
Are you retarded?
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>>96989321
>things other than card draw
things LIKE card draw
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>>96988157
You're free to leave at any time retard
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>>96989413
You UBpiggies are obsessed with pushing Magic fans away from your trough
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>>96989321
I was thinking of putting it in my demon tribal deck but i think they might not get as much use out of it as they do with Seance Board
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>>96989417
we just know how to gatekeep
enjoy being cast out
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>>96987149
So when does the equipment for Monster Hunter secret lair get announced? Surely, they wouldn't not include equipment
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>>96989417
>magic fans
lol
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>>96988157
NOOOOO WHERE IS THE CORRECT SCRIMBLO BRIMBLO?! HELP ME SAFFRON OLIVE
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New card idea from my mind palace!!!!!


>Enter the Battlefield
Enchantment
GGG

Whenever a creature you control enters, you may enter, if you do, choose a creature you control. It enters.

You may choose to have creatures you control not enter the battlefield, if they would enter the battlefield.
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every blue + green deck I make turns into dopplegang combo
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>>96989595
As ever, if scrimblo brimblo didnt' matter, Hasbro wouldn't change it.
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>>96988157
>muh AI
it's always funny to me how the ones who always cry about AI art have no ethical problems proxying
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>>96989637
I am pro-consumer. Corporations lazily replacing their product with AI shit is bad for the consumer. Proxying is good for the consumer.
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>>96989647
>Corporations lazily replacing their product with AI shit is bad for the consumer
>because AI will never be passable quality for the consumer
you are a naive fool
to even believe the second point undermines your entire argument against AI
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>>96989637
>random proxy hater shit
many such retards
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>>96989666
>random AI hater shit
foolish luddites everywhere lol
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>>96989671
I am indifferent to AI.
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>>96989656
>>because AI will never be passable quality for the consumer
>you are a naive fool
>to even believe the second point undermines your entire argument against AI
You don't seem to realize that AI is already at its limit. As shitty as it is right now? Making comically bad mistakes like telling you that an image it just generated isn't AI generated, allowing an order of 18,000 water cups at taco bell, telling you that there is no train to your destination when you're literally sat on the train to your destination? Yeah that's as good as AI is going to get.
Every multi billion dollar company has put everything they can into AI, serverfarms the size of small villages, and it's still absolute fucking garbage that can't produce anything without a human having to check its quality afterwards.

AI bubble is coming to an end. OpenAI is making losses in the BILLIONS and they are the leader of the fucking industry. If they can't turn a profit off AI, what do you think happens?
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>>96989671
I hate AI because it is dangerous and needs to be banned because it creates crime and severe mental health issues. Not because it made an artist feel unhappy. In my day we would ban something that was linked to dozens of suicides and murders
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>>96989721
>In my day we would ban something that was linked to dozens of suicides
This isn't even true lmao. Think real hard about what site you're currently posting on. If you need any help, I'll see if I can dig up a cool crystal growing science experiment for ya
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>blue mages fear this!
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>>96989729
>Starting in the late twentieth century, the safety of metal-tipped lawn darts was called into question in several countries. After thousands of injuries and at least three children's deaths were attributed to lawn darts, the sharp-pointed darts were banned for sale in the United States and Canada.[1][2] They are still used in the European Union but the sharp pins have been replaced with a rounded bottom, sometimes magnetic so it sticks to a mat.

???
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>>96989754
also chemical and radiation kits from the early to mid 20th century
>b-but 4chan
Life existed before 2002 gen Z-chan
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>>96989746
They do be boilin.
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>>96989709
>OpenAI is making losses in the BILLIONS
The US economy relies on AI staying afloat so the US will do everything to bail them out. Otherwise the countries economy will crash into a depression
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>>96989709
if you're so bearish on AI's capabilities then why are you so concerned with wotc using AI?
>because deep in your heart you know that the consumer is actually ok with AI if it's "good enough"
>this is why people use proxies worth pennies even though they look shit - because they're good enough for the job - and the same is true for AI
>and this is why you are no different from the proxier and just as ethically suspect, you virtue signalers are all the same
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>>96989765
>>because deep in your heart you know that the consumer is actually ok with AI if it's "good enough"
lol
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>>96989721
if you're truly that concerned about severe mental health issues the first thing that would come out of your damn mouth is to advocate reopening the mental hospitals
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>>96989777
Which wouldn't help because those aren't free and state laws would impede it. It's not 1920
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>>96989776
>'lol', the anon said meekly, as he was left speechless
concession accepted
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>>96989603
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>>96989783
Ah now I am aware you're defending AI because you view it as a left vs right thing.
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>>96989782
>oh no there's a law
>that means it's forever until the heat death of the universe
ignorant in both logic and civics, tsk tsk
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>>96989765
>this is why people use proxies worth pennies even though they look shit
people who use proxies aren't finance bros.
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>>96988061
>Spider-Man card
Calling the youtube influencer squad on your right now
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>>96989787
no i just posted hasan because he's a lolcow just like what you are
any argument for proxies is an argument for ai art, you are just not honest enough to admit that you will do everything to fuck over the big bad corpo and will rather simp for an artist that will never fuck you
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>>96989746
I run all 3 against them.
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>>96989791
people who use proxies because they can't afford the real thing are poorfags, duh
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>>96989801
god can you please stop strawmanning. try literally anything else, youll be shocked at how much more effective it is.
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>>96989811
i'll stop the moment you drop the topic
not my fault you can't argue for your life
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>>96989764
You did read the part where they lost 11Bn in the last QUARTER? Not the last year, not the last 3 years, the last QUARTER
There's 4 of those a year buddy. How many years do you think that is sustainable?

>>96989765
>if you're so bearish on AI's capabilities
I'm correct about AIs capabilities. Don't treat it like an opinion. I am factually telling you that we are at the limit of AI capability and anyone in the industry who isn't trying to sell you something will tell you the same.
>then why are you so concerned with wotc using AI?
Gee anon, what could happen if a company went all in on AI thinking that its capable of things that it isn't??? That's a real head-scratcher
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>>96989783
KAYA
DUNGEON
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>>96989818
>Gee anon, what could happen if a company went all in on AI thinking that its capable of things that it isn't???
oh NOW you're concerned about the financial health of the company
start buying real product then lol
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>>96989815
not the same anon
you are just obvious and repetitive.
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>>96989807
AHHHH MLD! HELP ME GAVIN
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>>96989831
>nooo i must have the last word
hahaha you're SO mad
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>>96989824
No I'm concerned with what the company will shit out
I haven't said anything that conflicts with my original point and you're desperately trying to cram words into my mouth to win an internet argument

What an absolutely colossal faggot
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>>96989835
is it even worth pointing out thats also a strawman.
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>>96989838
>No I'm concerned with what the company will shit out
and what does that matter to you? who cares when you can proxy anything, do custom art, whatever
but it's the pinnacle of hypocrisy to proxy shit and THEN claim that AI art is bad because it'll destroy the company oh noes
>What an absolutely colossal faggot
get a grip, you're the faggot here that can't even accept the implications of his positions
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>>96989848
>and what does that matter to you?
Because I'm one of the idiots that consumes what that company shits out
>who cares when you can proxy anything, do custom art, whatever
This is just "make your own game" retardation.
Proxying cards doesn't mean I change the fucking card text. If WotC shits out AI generated card effects then we all suffer

You're demonstrating what a know-nothing retard you are by thinking AI only makes art holy fucking shit
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>>96989864
>Because I'm one of the idiots that consumes what that company shits out
if you are one of those that buy real product out of principle and ethics - good on you btw - then be more selective and just buy the cards that aren't AI
since AI art according to you has already peaked - and surely this is a wisdom that everyone inherently knows - then they will be able to discern real art from ai art and market forces will simply tell wotc to stop making ai art as cards with real art sell better thus making your doomsday argument a total nonbo
>If WotC shits out AI generated card effects then we all suffer
>But that gay bearscape art that was made by a real person? nah we're good
you really are a fool aren't you? hahaha
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so what ARE some legit treasure strategies for rakdos?
I want to make him more consistent instead of praying every game that I have it
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>>96989883
>if you are one of those that buy real product out of principle and ethics - good on you btw
Holy cringe
I beg you to fuck off back to r*ddit
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>>96989888
buying art from real artists? that's the real cringe
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>>96989887
this guy and any form of impulse draw shits out treasure tokens
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>>96989835
Is this a good counterspell
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>>96989913
no
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>>96989897
sure, but what if I don't have have him? how much can I actually lean into impulse draw + treasure synergies?
the mechanics I use in the decks are too much all over the place. I feel like I need to decide on one thing and build around that. "a bit of this a bit of that" doesn't work out a lot of time in practice.
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>>96989945
I occasionally pretend that I have it and trick opponents into playing slow
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>>96989944
if not impulse itself, can just use the various 'draw, discard make a treasure card', warren soul trader and ophiomancer/jadar/any other token maker and pitiless plunderer. there's plenty of ways for rakdos to get treasures pretty consistently.
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>>96989887
Aristocrats?
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>>96989960
>>96989969
I was hoping to not go for aristocrat tokens since I already have one in rakdos. but if that's a viable strategy for lord of riots, I will give it a shot.
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>>96989980
>but if that's a viable strategy for lord of riots
For *him*? Yeah dunno, I was just saying in general. I have Mahadi in my Ognis deck so it was the first thing I thought of
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Can someone give me a mono-red interaction suite?
I've got my deck in a position where I like it but my interaction is like,
Chaos Warp
Wild Magic Surge
Volcanic Torrent
Shiny Impetus
Bloodthirsty Blade

I don't wanna just be a greed pile.
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>>96989980
wouldn't needing treasures be better suited to the balrog tho? none of Rakdos' cards care about treasures or saccing them.
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>>96989987
>soon this guy is going to be able to go into any deck with red in it
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>>96990004
This gal.
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>>96989996
redirect lightning
bolt bend
untimely malfunction
Abrade
star of extinction is a pet card of mine but still.
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>>96990010
If they don't put tits on the female lizardmen how is anyone supposed to know?
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>>96989987
ognis sounds cool, maybe I'll try him next
>>96990002
it's more about generating some general ramp. I don't know. I'm revisiting rakdos since he was my first commander and I never was able to build him in a satisfying manner.
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>>96990038
>ognis sounds cool, maybe I'll try him next
Mine is a super casual deck with like 40 1-3cmc creatures with haste, with the goal of making 25+ treasures to throw into giant X spells like Earthquake/Hurricane/Nuclear Fallout/etc to blow up the entire table at once. Yes I die too but I think it's funny
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>>96990038
>it's more about generating some general ramp
rakdos is only 4 mana with the caveat of an opponent having lost life, not even by combat or even by you, then rakdos discounts all the cards you cast. Try more pingers than treasure makers.
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>>96990068
that's where I currently am. I'm running pretty much every 1-2cmc pinger I could find. problem is, if I play nothing but pingers up to t4, then my commander and whatever colorless creature I cheat out with him will be removed by t5 in way over 50% of games. I basically gamble if I will loose 2 turns by trying to get him out too early, which is what I want to move away from.
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>>96989417
>Magic fans
You hate magic albeit
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>>96990126
a few mana rocks are all you really need, and pack a few of cards like this, dont know if these types of cards have a shorthand.
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>>96989996
Red elemental blast
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>>96989945
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Best use for this funky little guy?
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95% done, few flex cards

Mono black fuck my life morty deck
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>>96990228
A mana dork in aggro decks that want the extra body over a mana rock.
What, you want a use case for the second ability? Use it to fuck combat in decks where your commander has protection from a certain color. Otherwise good luck with that.
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>>96990251
Fuck, forgot sorceries

Repay in kind, reanimate, peer into the abyss, killing wave, blight grenade,mandate of abaddon, profane transfusion, agadeems awakening, exsanguinate


No infinite life combos
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>>96990228
colorless commander
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>>96990251
>Volrath's stronghold
>Archenemy's charm
>pact weapon
>dracula
>speed demon

based
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https://moxfield.com/decks/BzGeQh9x20GDEIsuU5d3ZQ
Do you think this deck could be made good? imo
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Total cost: About 50 bucks
It has some expensive cards like War Room and Call Forth the Tempest in it too just because I already own those.

This deck plays weird but I feel like it works.
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>>96990180
>tit
Hehehehehe boobies
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>>96990251
Tell me, anon. What does your deck DO?
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>>96989671
I hate AI because of horribly passé it is already. Its so banal yet simultaneously the new exciting thing. It's never been more over than it is right now
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>>96990379
its jingling keys for retards.
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>>96990391
I like it because I can make mommy-bodied kitsune women wearing tight swimsuits and latex maid outfits, but that's neither here nor there.
Companies shouldn't be trying to sell us ai slop.
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>>96990444
kino kino
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>>96990444
Welp digits dont lie, based furfag. The only good use of AI is porn
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>>96989818
The problem with AI is it literally cannot create anything. It can only take things that have already been created and make a Frankenstein creature as an output. So if everything goes AI, no new ideas or interpretations will emerge because it will just be an endless recycling of the shit we already have. Everyone almost universally agrees we've stagnated when it comes to new media and tech, with Hollywood only able to release remakes and reboots, apple and windows only able to release old products with new numbers and a gloss of paint, etc. everyone is already bored and discontented with the current stagnation. Well imagine that stagnation going on forever. That's what AI is.
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>>96989945
It's super fucking neato in my Vrondiss enrage tribal deck
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>>96990004
I can't wait.
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>>96990377
big black mana, create tons of 2/2 plague marines with dark confidant like abilities
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>>96989955
stupid players wont think about it
smart players will make you have it
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>>96989996
liquimetal torque
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>>96990505
AND Shenanigans. A perfect pair.
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>>96989996
I look like and say this
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>>96990026
Reading the flavortext explains the lizussy.
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>>96990610
ziatora's entire lizussy lizosse
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>"anon, I wouldn't do that, what if I have it?"
>hm... it would be truly bad if he has it. better wait a turn.
>he doesn't have it
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>>96990251
this is a sick bob tribal deck, good job anon
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give them partner imo
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>>96987149
>not even Rathalos is a good legend
>GB Zinogre
Why is it all jank?
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>>96990665
yes please, start errataing random cards because I want it!
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>>96990698
>>96990665
Just wait for next gay appreciation month when "every legendary has partner"
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Just checked. I have one deck with 30 creatures and then the rest are between 18-24. Even the combat focused decks
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>>96990702
>next gay appreciation month
i thought every month was gay month.
love this timeline!
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>>96990716
I have a deck with 68 creatures
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>creatures
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>>96990725
Shiiiit mine only has 62
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>>96990665
I pulled the left one. is there a fun way to build him?
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>>96990784
Auto-include for an Oketra deck.
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Momo's heist is pretty funny with Metalbender Toph
You can take something, use it, then at the end phase, earthbend it, and then sac it, and it permanently just belongs to you.
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I’ve decided to focus on combat tricks for Azula. Lots instants that buff her with double strike, power doubling, deathtouch, invincible, etc. coupled with plently of targeted removal, the goal is to either swing out for commander damage with her or buff a different firebender such as Ozai
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>>96990811
good luck. i've tried to build her in a few ways but she always ends up as grixis combo turn which isnt what I'm looking for.
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>>96990811
You got some of the extra combat instants too, right?
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>>96990846
I’m running these bad boys
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>>96990856
Qrd on brawl? Do i need to 'collect' cards to play it?
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>>96990716
Seems normal desu. By the time you get in lands and minimum removal/ramp/draw, you're already in the 70-range. Add in finishers or for fun cards and you're already creeping toward the 80s.

There's a reason why they're just starting to just throw everything on creatures, even if it's just a 1/1.
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>112 cards where (the set is “tla” or the set is “tle”) and the cards can be your commander and the cards aren’t reprints
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>in 2 months this will show up in every pod
What will you do?
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>>96990918
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>>96990918
reanimate it
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wtf is this broken
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>>96990953
its just a worse/different cyclonic rift.
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>>96990918
>>What will you do?
I exclusively play bracket 2&5 so I don't have to care
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>>96990807
>slop card is pretty funny with slop card
/edh/ everyone, truly jotc greatest heist.
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any of you faced this in bracket 2 from the 99 being absolutely balanced and okay there?
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>>96991017
it's basically free high tide or any mana doubler green would have in there
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>>96990807
Would it actually come into play under your control
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New coomette just arrived today
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>>96991117
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>>96990918
laugh at sheldon and the RC for even banning this damn thing
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>the war crime called source material created a whitefaced sisay
dangerously based
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>>96991170
chocobros...
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>>96990953
Blasphemous Act is literally "more broken" than this cute wrath
i would be glad if you casted this
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>>96989945
Say goodbye to that card you tutored to the top
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>>96991287
>>96991287
>>96991287
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>>96991105
no, it would have to specify that. otherwise it returns to owner by default same as if you blink a stolen creature
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>>96984215
Oh, but I am here to be the archenemy, to cackle maniacally and dare you to take me down. Better work together or die alone is politics too.
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>>96984215
man this is such a weird fucking debate
i can't believe anyone would willingly play this or any other game if it weren't over food/drinks/weed and good conversation
if you let this game get to you even a little bit outside of competitive play at events, you're a fucking pussy



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