Boing Edition>Previously, in the Mortal Realms>>96991278>Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:https://aosg.github.io/https://sigdex.io/>Thread question:hows your weekend been going
huh, the Sylvaneth box isn't sold out yet. I guess they must've made a lot of them.
>>96999892I think it has more to do with the fact that it's fucking garbage
>>96999892Those units have been in so many boxes that probably lots of people have them, even the relatively new hobbyists
Why does TOW get the sculptors who know how to sculpt horses properly? Why are their cavalry not forced to sit on voodoo head shrunk horses like CoS?
>>96999892I don't understand why they made the same fucking sylvaneth box AGAINalso damn the vampire box went quick
>>96999910fuck off back to /wfg/ with your horse autism, faggot
>>96999911It's not a super big surprise, given that every outlet was praising the vamp box as the best in basically every regard. Literally any death army could grab it and get good value.
>>96999878>hows your weekend been goingJust nabbed two sets of Iron Golems new on sprue for $26 at a game store's holiday sale so I'd say it's pretty good
>>96999878>TQHad to cancel my first ever Warcry game due to the weather, gonna try to reschedule for the weekday.
>>96999878>hows your weekend been goingJust got my khorne dudes in the mail and 1 of 2 bloodthirsters. Then my friend fucking managed to give me some fucked up travel plans so now I'm taking a weekend trip to chicago I hadn't intended to. WAS HOPING TO HAVE MORE MONEY FOR QUEST but seemingly have a date planned so it's a fair tradeoff.
>>96999878>tqMade my first attempt at nmm gold, I didnt really have minis with armor laying around so I uh, took some glued half skeleton I had laying around for reasons I forgot and used him instead
>>97000094pretty damn good, anon
>>96999892Clearly stock before the refresh in march
>>97000098Thanks anon, glad to hear it
>>97000094pretty cool anon, gonna use this guy for anything?
>>96999962>Literally any death army could grab it and get good value.huh?
>>96999878>hows your weekend been goingListening to Limp Bizkit, drinking Mountain Dew and thinking about a paint scheme.
>>96999910They're identical, probably the same base horse STL model
>>97000413Just paint the scheme anon. You'll save yourself a lot of heartache when you realize your thought up scheme is not to your liking at all when actually painted.
>>97000397The zombie dragon is available to all death armies, just magnetize the rider. I could have sworn there was a RoR that had blood knights, that's my mistake. I miss the old allies...
>>97000413Same. I know I want my KO spearhead dudes to be gold and silver but I can't figure out what I want the tertiary color to be, I just know I don't want the purple/maroon color on the box art.
The endless war must end! It's just feeding the chaos gods. The Ossiarch Bonereapers are the good guys! Everything would be better if it was all 'gray', it's the only way to bring peace in this mess of eternal war! Let it all die. Nagash is right! Prove me wrong! You can't!
>>97000237Thanks anon, nah he was just there to be used as nmm practice
>>97000413That better be sugarless you're drinking! Think about your weight and teeth!
>>97000485>Just paint the scheme anon.My dudes arrive on tuesday so still have some time to think.>>97000510What about blue with white accents?>>97000539Yeah, the sodastream syrup one, highly diluted with water so it tastes like light lime'o'nade.
>>97000580I thought about blue with white, but thought it would look too swedish. I might still give it a try. I also considered a dark forest green but then I'd have a packers themed army, which I don't want. I'm thinking maybe a bluer teal color.
>>97000515You're right. Such is the power of Nagash.
>>97000604I would do this (from Final Fantasy IX).You could also do like a ultramarine blue with some cog patterns maybe?
>>97000634That looks nice, I especially like the light blue on ocean blue of the sail. Okay, I'm thinking metallic cobalt armor, ocean blue cloth, light blue accents and gold trim. Thanks for the help anon, I'll post some pics if it works out.
>>96999878>TQPretty good. Had a 3v3 kitchenhammer game with some old friends yesterday. 3k points per side. Modified some rules on the fly and we were able to have a pretty good match that was as close to legal play as possible. Played Grasp of Thorns mission, 6CP per side up from 4 base, 2 battle tactics for the whole team. Had to change up some distances since the table wasn't wide enough but more than long enough.About to continue work on my bladelords.
>>97000655Yeah sounds good, good luck!
>>96999878Great.Did some hobby, recovery from a hamstring injury is going well, doing 30kg (76.5lbs) dumbell OHP for 10 reps is actually feeling easy now
The moment I buy this glue I’m painting my jade obelisks
I want to get into the game, but i can't decide which army i want to start with. The main things i like in models are big dudes in armor and stompy monsters, so the ones i am interested the most are: -Stormcast Eternals-Seraphon-Slaves to Darkness-Blades of Khorne-Maggotkin of Nurgle (i really liked the new models, don't care much for the demons besides the GuO)-IronjawzWhich one is the best for a beginer? I am looking for one with a more simple and straightfoward playstyle.
>>97001295Ironjawz pigs might be the simplest monster thing for beginers
>>97001295Stormcast and StD are both very forgiving for newbies and can be straight forward to play.Stormcast have more tools, access to magic/priests, flying and mobility while StD are all about hitting as hard as (in)humanly possible.Both look cool, both have easy metallic paint schemes that work well with their armor, and both are spoiled by GW with new models.>Blades of KhorneYou would think this would be similar to StD, but no. They are actually a bit complicated to play, needing multiple buffs going off to make their units go from subpar to incredible lawnmowers. They will require you to paint normal dudes and daemons in addition to armored dudes, so less easy to start with.>MaggotkinWe have no idea. The army is getting a big refresh soon and it could be anything. The new models look awesome, but the god specific armies in general are more complex than StD.>IronjawzIf you like painting green skin and metal armor, these are your guys. They're not impressively tanky (unlike some of the others on this list) but they can hit very conventionally hard. A bit one note as an army, you'll either love them or grow to hate them.>SeraphonNo idea, sorry.
>>97001295Almost all armies are pretty simple. You should go with your heart based on the models you like the most. Maggotkin are fairly simple. It's basically "come at me and get aids" and I doubt it will change. You could also get the soon to be out of production old Blightkings as they got updated but the old models are still fantastic and excellent for kitbashing.
If anyone plays Kharadron Overlords, how the hell do you store/transport your army, especially the skyvessels?
>>97001363In a transport case?
>>97001373I'm trying to find something that can accommodate models that tall
>>97001404
>>97001363Get a magnetic case and pray to god.
>>97000515NAGASH U ACKBAR
>>97001301>>97001340>>97001348Thanks for the suggestions, i also considered ogres and giants, but don't like most of the models for ogres and i don't think i am good enough painter for the mega gargants, so i think ironjawz and Std might be the best options at the moment, going mainly by playstyle and models. So i can make a orc army with mostly hogs and go hog wild on the opponent? And what about Std, something like all chosen and theridons infantry is functional?
>>96999411Is that Josh Reynolds? Because if it is his bibliography seems to have no WHFB novels on it lmao. He wrote some End Time stuff and then AoS stuff."AoS novels sold better than End Times novels" is hella different from "AoS novels sold better than WHFB novels." And him even (allegedly) saying that sounds fairly tricksy.
>>97001694He wrote and suggested for a lot of fb stuff even before endtimes
Hello /aosg/Is there a pdf of the full Helsmiths of Hashut Battletome anywhere?Does anyone have any Helsmith paintjobs they'd like to show off? Thanks
>>97001694He absolutely did say it, he had a whole twitter thread about it years ago, I'm not going to bother trying to find it now. It was back in the 2E era that he was talking about it, he also said Soul Wars was far and away his best performing novel.
>>97001363Really Useful Boxes have some tall boxes. They stack with shorter ones that are better for infantry.
>>97001606>So i can make a orc army with mostly hogs and go hog wild on the opponent?Yes, the bigger hogs are quite decent now, meta even.>something like all chosen and theridons infantry is functional?Theridons are just ok, chosen are a staple. Chaos knights and varanguard are the other near-auto includes.
>>96999878Biologist here. Do Squigs have arseholes? It's important.
>>97001714I have some 4 liter and 9 liter boxes of theirs, but the 9 liter ones aren't tall enough for the Grundstok Gunhauler, do you know what other sizes stack with the 4s and 9s?
>>97001728Almost definitely. Where do you think the gas plumes that squighoppers are modelled riding on come from?
>>97001710I looked at his bibliography and saw one Gotrek & Felix novel and a bunch of 40k stuff. If he said his AoS novel was his bestselling novel it means it outsold 40k novels and the whole claim is screwy. It could still be true but it is not a testimony to the relative popularity of AoS novels, its some other weird datapoint. Was he the first and/or biggest 40k novelist to write an AoS book? Was everyone before him a no-name?
>>97001363The miniatures are not to scale; the flying ships are larger, although not that large.
>>97001767What the hell are these leaps of logic. His only real popular 40k titles were the Fabius bile stuff, and it’s not that hard to catch onto. It’s really not that hard to take in.
>>97001767I think you've built up WHFB in your head to be way more popular and culturally relevant than it actually was in it's twilight years and that's why you're having your mind blown.
>>97001802When someone has a point they desperately want to prove then teensy tinsy little details like "not every 40k novel ever has sold equally way" may end up forgotten about.
>>97001703If no one posts it I'll post it in like 7-8 hours becauee I'm going to bed right now and too tired to boot up the PC.
>>97001703>>97001885https://gofile.io/d/oz6ECC
>>97001885Hashut be with you.
I feel like AoS wouldn't be so controversial if EndTimes wasn't so shit/blowing up the Old World, they didn't try so hard to have Stormcasts be fantasy Space Marines, AoS not constantly bouncing back and forth between being Fantasy 2.0 and its own original thing, and they actually put some of the weird and cool lore bits front and center rather than leave them buried as one off mentions in source books and novels. AoS has potential but they just keep on wasting it.
>>96999910If these models weren't so busy and over-detailed I'd get them, but they look like they'd be such a paint to paint.
>>97000495a $200 dragon mini will never be good value. The xmas vamp box sucks because the only people it benefits are new player, everyone already has bats and blood knights.
>>97001921Me with Cities of Sigmar.
>>9700196320 Knights is the upper limit so its fine for many. Actually there was a fairly recent GT win by a BK spam with Vhordrai.
>>97001905There's not much anyone can do about the ET origins, but stormcast have been better since Soul Wars.>and they actually put some of the weird and cool lore bits front and center rather than leave them buried as one off mentions in source books and novels.I think they do. Flying dwarves in skyships, sea elves riding turtles and eels, actual plastic chaos dwarves, each chaos god getting their own full army, etcThere are a lot of interesting things done in AoS that are far out ideas that would have never fit in WHFB, and some people appreciate them while others see it as cringe.
>>97001905AoS is not controversial. It's still like a top 3 most popular tabletop game while TOW is fucking dead.
>>96999910You've never seen a horse IRL
>>96999910
>>96999916> I also like the horses
>>97002108really deeply not a fan of these post(er)s that have completely adopted the odious /wfg/ mindset but simply swapped around the game titles
could sylvaneth have priests?
>>97002134Do Sylvaneth have children?
>>97002137I mean. Are we expanding this to kurnothi
So wait, Maggotkin have no Manifestations?
>>97002417same deal with Helsmiths. Although I think maggotkin interact with generic endless spells in a more unique way already.
>>97002423 I'm just starting out, how so?
>>97002433Oh I just realized it was a 3e feature and not a 4e thing. The rotbringer sorcerer can corrupt endless spells to spread contagion points which is a…whole other mechanic. It’s possible they’ll bring it back, but I wouldn’t count on it. 3e and 4e are completely different games on how they handle endless spells.
>>97002123Decade of being spat on randomly by passing /wfg/ shitstirrers have made people defensive about the thing they like, and now aos players have solid numbers and points proving their points so they're going to be more direct in their comebacks rather than just deflecting and using anecdotes like the tow players.
>>97002609Okay but I play both games and I don't like being shat on no matter what thread I use
>>97002666is it even being shat on to have someone say aos is the third most popular wargame while tow a niche game with a small playerbase? that's just a thing that's true, TOW was always intended to be a HH level game. it's being said confrontationally in response to someone who came in with that energy, but it's not particularly mean about it
1000/1000 ptsOrruk Warclans | KruleboyzLight FingaGeneral's Handbook 2025-26Drops: 2Battle Tactic Cards: Scouting Force, Master The PathsGeneral's RegimentScourge of Ghyran Killaboss on Great Gnashtoof (180) • General • Slippery Skumbag - (20) Points Beast-skewer Killbow (140)Gutrippaz (160)Gutrippaz (160)Killaboss with Stab-grot (80)Regiment 1Murknob with Belcha-banna (100) • Mork's Eye Pebble - (10) Points Hobgrot Slittaz (80)Man-skewer Boltboyz (100)This alright for a 1k? Probably aiming to win via points and uppy downing my boyz across the map.
>>97002666You don't have aos posters going to /wfg/ every single day for a decade to shitstir. Aos players aren't shitting on you for pointing out that tow isn't popular. If you like the game than whatever. But people are going to defend the game they play. The difference is aos players don't feel the need to raid wfg with fabrications in order to enjoy their game.
osl can only really look good if you have a air brush right?
>>97002858>You don't have aos posters going to /wfg/ every single day for a decade to shitstir.Or making dedicated threads just to fling shit on WHFB like AoS gets with Shaerk threads or threads mocking a new reveal/release.
>>97002858Calling TOW a "dead game" absolutely is hyperbole and it's worded in a way that's intended to be inflammatoryIt's gloating, not lamenting
>army that exclusively does melee combat>no shooting>no big spellcasters>just melee>but its bad at meleewhat the absolute fuck were they thinking?
Completely forgot I had red spray primer sitting around. Thats gonna speed this fucker up like 100%
>>97002869eh, i did this guy without an airbrush and i think he looks okay (i dont have a good aos mini with osl, sorry)
>>97002941are rainbow daemons even a thing in aos? whats going on here?
>>97002947>posts absolutely gorgeous mini, calls it okayCOME ON NOW ANON.
>>97002941oooooh I see you did the flail thing you were thinking about doing the other day. It really fits.
>>97002947well this does give me hope that its achievable.
>>97000094Now paint the rest of golden bat.
>>97002955I've got Khorne and Nurgle armys as is, but I found Kairos for 60 bucks on FB makretplace and am working on getting a cheap shalaxi for funsies. There USED to be a Be'lakor faction that could run them but not anymore. (Unless GW brings it back.)
>>97002958Yeeee, I was hoping for a third but It's probably gonna be a wash since I've had 3 people ghost me after saying they had the bits. Thankfully its magnetized so I can swap for the axe and adding a third flail is an easy fix for later.
>>97002768it's a 1k list so it's inherently not going to be very balanced>uppy downing my boyzwhat could this possibly mean? do kruelboyz have some hopping mechanic I'm not familiar with?
>>97002993
>>97002957>>97002961thanks. i mostly just use drybrushes and thinned glazes. i paint the source first, and then i just try to visualize lines from the source to the rest of the model. light moves in a straight line, so you jsut draw straight lines and that informs where it should hit. the more dead on and perpendicular it hits the surface, the brighter it should be, and the more it glances the surface at a shallow angle, the more it falls off as a light gradient. also helps to move through the color wheel a bit. so like, if you're doing fire like i did, the darker parts of the highlight are red, but the lighter parts move through orange up to yellow.
>>97002993>what could this possibly mean?nta but uppy downy is a bit of jargon popular in 40k for units that can re-deepstrike or teleport mid game, like genestealer cults. havent heard it used in aos much cause its not that common in this game, but kruleboyz can do it with their sneaking, and i think nighthaunt can do it too with stuff like the boatman or the harrows, or at least they used to be able to
>>97001703fan art tier bland shit, I really dislike new chorfs, also... why they doesn't have skulls in their design when they are so warhammerish.
>>97002939>they are not aelves>so they need bad rulessadly, thats how retarded GWs rule designers are.
>>97002885>Calling TOW a "dead game" absolutely is hyperboleIdk about that anon
>>97003380what was the cap for the TOW event?TOW boards need more effort than AoS and 40k, so those events are usually smaller.
>>97003380I guess nobody told them they couldn't play from their battlestations.>>97003398>TOW boards need more effort than AoS and 40kYeah, motherboards are usually a pretty complicated manufacturing job.
>>97003398Isn't the most you need are a hill a tree and a house?
>>97003405no, I mean the boards on the table, with the terrain an such. you do use terrain in AoS, dont you?
>>97003398>TOW boards need more effort than AoS Do they though.
>>97003398>TOW boards need more effort than AoS and 40kIf anything that's the exact opposite.
>>97003398Wouldn't you need more room to spin and do tricks on it or whatever it is you do with your movement trays and therefore place less terrain leading to less detailed tables overall
can we not do the same tribalist bullshit that wfbfags do
>>97003438It's not tribalism to point out the differences between the games
>>97003438All I'm saying is that horses have teeth. Ya know what else has teeth?Sharks.Something to think about
>>97003398old world, by its very nature, cant have a lot of effort put into it because of the constraints of interacting with terrain in a game where units cant leave their rectangular formations, and require protractor style pivots to move around obstacles. artillery units are also almost completely immobile, and any significant terrain on the table could render artillery fully useless for the entire game, and a large portion of the armies in the game rely on artillery
>>97003443Horses are sharks?Bro, now I am terrified to leave my house
>>97003511>>97003423>>97003421>>97003398Don't be silly. I play both and AoS boards generally have more terrain due to being rank and flank.Anyway, both pale compared to Necromunda boards which are truly the best
>>97003518> and AoS boards generally have more terrain due to being rank and flank.wat
>>97002082>>97001921I don't see this sentiment enough but I feel it.They look awesome and really pop out at you. GW's subtle tricks and min-maxxing put into lighting, painting, golden angles, and the 3d viewer feature are really tantalizing.BUt the sad truth hits once your hands are sore from building them and you see all the little thingamajigs scattered about the model. All the things that make the models awesome and make you want to own them are the same things that make them pure cancer to paint.Custodes look super boring but you rarely see them unpainted, on the flip-side you rarely see nicely painted Lumineth Even the darkoath AoS got stuck with are tedious to buy and paint.
>>97003524I had a stroke while typing.Meant AoS have more than Fantasy since Fantasy needs space for the unite
so...sotek is in relation to dracothians? dunno if thats new or not.
Anons, we've got our own thing. Do we have to muddy this thread with the references to The Game That Was or The Game That Gets Our Rejects?
how do I make chaos warriors look more like Pic rel and less like the bright-grey metal men that GW depicts them as?Seriously, I want to look MORE metal than they already are. I think the current kits are really basic and lean more into mudcore. But I feel really limited by having to paint black. I could maybe lean into blue but it be hard to give it depth while keeping it dark.Idk maybe I should just learn to draw
>>97003639forgot picThulsa doom's cult from the Conan film is my favorite.
>>97003577>since Fantasy needs space for the unitewat
>>97003697With manoeuvring. You can't just squeeze a unit into a gap between terrain, it needs to stay in formation
>>97003639>>97003643>How do I make my minis darker?Use more black?
>>97003620its so bizarre, because design wise it feels like they're moving backwards, more towards traditional fantasy designs just updated, but then at the same time, GW product design is taking a hard stance on no crossover model kits between games, to the point that aos and old world have their own marauders, or that GW produces 2 different version of the ardboyz/black orcs kit or chaos warriors kit to keep the product lines segregated, so it feels like in a lot of ways the artistic direction and the product design teams are moving in completely contradictory directions.
>>97003620no, but its a rivalry that will always be fun for the community i think
>>97003639>>97003643feels like tow bait but painting them darker generally works
I feel like playing some 1st edition again. I wonder if I should do Path to Glory or a Realmgate Wars campaign. PoG was super fun back then.
>>97003398It's a competitive event. The boards for both systems look terrible but no, terrain is irrelevant for both systems now. GW don't sell good terrain for a reason.
>>97003611if you're talking about the new novel, give me a day or two, and I'll have it finished to discuss spoilersif you're talking in general terms, no, sotek is a serpent, dracothion is a drake, totally different, but they're both beings that aren't old ones that the lizardmen somehow integrated into their pantheon
>>97003809Oh shit it's out already? Any good so far?
>>97003421holy tow boards are absolutely hideous
>>97003806The only difference is AoS has the terrible objective markers LVO 2025
NOW that's a board I can game on!
>>97003850Pretty sure TOW has those as well now
>>97003868It does not, TOW objectives aren't scored by the number of models within 6" so it would be irrelevant hence their complete absence for LVO?Meanwhile AoS has a stand in circle stat on warscrolls
>>97003816an anon posted a link in the last thread>>96993631I'm halfway through, and so far the stormcast is the most interestingly written point of view to me, which is not a good thing considering my main draw was the lizards, but the author really tries to spin the different points of view, it has that going at leasthopefully the second half pushes things further
>>97003875You would think so wouldn't you, but the orange menace has invaded tow as well.I don't have a problem with objective markers in theory (at least not in "competitive" events) but why the fuck do they have to be as ugly as possible? Is it that hard to make some that work well with the terrain, or failing that at least be transparant
>>97003909at least the balloon is painted...also man I get, and even like the idea of unit fillers, but they always look so ugly at the end of the day.
>>97003909The fact GW sells them is a death knell for good boards imo if only they decided on some thematic 3d terrain to represent them and milk more cash instead
>>97003919They are frequently overused, because they aren't actually there to make thing look good, but to be lazy/cheap about getting a large unit together
>>97003919https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2025/09/warhammer-the-old-world-the-best-lists-from-the-nova-open-2025.htmlLooking through this article I'm starting to understand why wfg hates cathay, and especially their balloons, so much. Are they really that bad to deal with?Also sidenote those blast templates are also fucking ugly, though the idea is sovl. I think with a bit of effort you could create some really cool ones.
>>97003949Is tow so boring the guy on the left started playing Magic the Gathering during the match?
>>97003966Oh is that what those care are? Anyway looking at some tourney pics I see lots of little gizmos like plushies and stuff, I assume it's basically like a little good luck thing or something.
The audio extract for Scourge of fate sounds gooood.
>>97001802>>97001839The point you guys want to desperately prove is "people care about AoS novels" so you gesture towards some five year old tweet that nobody has even produced verbatim, where a guy who had the opportunity to write 40K novels claimed that his AoS novel was his best-seller. Ok?? So he's a shitty writer and none of his novels sold well; his forgettable AoS outing sold better than any of his forgettable 40K outings. Magnificent! There's still nobody interested in buying AoS novels in 2025, unfortunately.
>>97004022NTA but you're just coping at this point
>>97004026Let's meet again in 365 days and we'll discuss all of the interesting ramifications a year's worth of AoS novels have had on the community (who cannot stop talking about them!)
>lgs order held up by a GW online order that's out of stock Oh fuck, I always hear about stock availability for online only stuff like terrain. I'm not getting these Gnoblars this year, am I?
I have absolutely no interest in this discussion but I was curious about the josh reynolds stuff and found this post https://www.reddit.com/r/ageofsigmar/comments/t1q6hj/josh_reynold_talk_about_the_success_of_his_black/Make of it what you will. Souls wars did seem to genuinely do great, although it's interesting that apparently gw didn't seem to think it would. I guess it's because aos really had a big bump in popularity in second edition, with a lot of people checking out soul wars to see what the whole universe was about. I don't think you can take these tweets as proof that aos books as a whole outsell whfb though, since afaik it's talking about royalties at a specific point in time (2022 or so in this case). They seem to do well at the very least though.
>>97003909It's a shame as well since the objective markers that GW provides as an example of in the Match Play guide are nicer but they aren't something you should expect from a tournament.
>>97001728In many 40k stories grots need to clean shit from squigs in orkish camps so I guess in fantasy it is the same = they have them.
>>97003966I think it's just a custom-made card for magic spells, so you always remember what the effect is without looking at the rulebook, but that's just a guess
Convince me to play Stormcast.
>>97004116no
>>97004116Probably the cheapest army thanks to secondhand marketProbably the second easiest army to paintEnormous range so you'll probably find at least something you'll likeBasically guaranteed to get a massive update every 3 years. downside is they might squat half your army at the same time though If they do squat units they're very easy to proxy as another unit
>>97004022Man you’re lame.
>>96997998Kind of weird tbqh. At least up until 3rd edition I was associating AoS with power metal, in terms of tone and presentation. And that's kind of how I liked it.
>>97004116They got a lot of bad press because of the general hatred towards AoS back in the 2015. Their lore is actually decent, if you want to feel like it's 80s and 90s again give all their battletomes a read and see step by step how GW was trying to shape the absolute mess of freshly released AoS into an actual setting.Other than that, they are super cheap, extremely kitbash friendly, easy to paint, low-model count and your infantry is huge - everything being mounted on 40mm is actually dope as fuck.
>>97003711It makes sense when you consider the actual motivations of the design teams under the conditions management is applying. For them, releasing a kit that can be sold to players of both systems then it improves their own team's comparative metrics, and everyone knows that management will view things in those terms because of the retarded mandates they imposed.They have created a situation where both ToW and AoS teams are encouraged to make kits that appeal to both audiences so management thinks that exclusively their game is selling better. Ironically this loops back to lines canalizing sales from the other game, which was part of the goal behind the stupid mandated separation in the first place.
>>97004182Don't use ableist language in the Age of Sigmar thread, please. Many of our community members deal with physical and mental disabilities every day.
>>97003996In terms of AoS novel narration I still consider Blood of the Everchosen to be the gold standard.
>>97004215Yeah I’m sure you’ve got a fair share of both. Hope you find a welcoming community.
>>97004074I know you're hard coping right now, but you can start a conversation here about almost any random AoS novel and people will reply because AoS fans do in fact read books.
Did they address the non-thunderstrike Stormcast in the 4th battletome? I remember them being these dwindling veterans who probably only have one life left and that living saint shit was kino but then they just squatted most of them
>>97004278You mean ruination?
>>96999878Soon
>>97004278Grungni's return and the rollout of Thunderstrike armor aren't really touched on at all outside this one paragraph. I'm not sure the Cursed Skies are even mentioned.
AoS feels really neglected with BL atm. 9 stories this year, one just being a novella, two being delayed character tie ins and another being the Grombrindal WD anthology. Only two are contemporary to the current edition? I miss the days of 2nd edition. I really hope they hire Graham Wilcox and the other test authors from the recent novella batch. AoS feels bleak with all the established authors having left and an increasingly corporate take festering
>>97004315Thunderstrike Armor went from something the new guys wear to 90% of the range so not surprising that it isn't being noted as special or different anymore.
>>97004294Heh, but no I meant those in old armour vulnerable to the cursed skies. Ruination are no different from regular Stormcast in their strategy and purpose, really, they just have their care home. The main difference I suppose is the possibility of death rather than the inevitability, plus the transition happening not after the last death but as they live. Ruination Stormcast are reforged and told there time is up, those vulnerable to the cursed skies have to suddenly grasp their mortality in the middle of a campaign.
>>97004315Found the bad weather mention
>>97004255Oh no! You've defeated my contention that 0 people read AoS books! I should never have said that!!
>>97004364You were trying to imply no one cares about or discusses AoS novels here which is laughably untrue and just proves that you're a tourist. BL books get discussed quite a lot, actually.
>>97004384nta but piggybacking off them to say starseer's ruin and the abraxia novel have been really good recent releases, so have the grombrindal ones. Between those and godeater's son/the yndrasta novel we've had a lot of really solid fiction come out over the last couple years, like a cut above normal
>>97004146What is the easiest army to paint? Spray Kharadon Overlords with a can of silver paint?
>>97004398KO have a lot of non-metallic elements, it's not as helpful as you'd think. Works decently for Stormcasts though.
>>97004398OBR if you want to do it the lazy way with contrast and a dry brush
So against my own better judgement and previous recommendations I'm building up quite the basket for my start/test of this hobby. Shopping cart: https://files.catbox.moe/034yr8.pngI'm still torn on what box set to actually buy, and would also like some advice if I'm still missing something or some additional color suggestions.As for the boxes, if I end up enjoying the hobby I'm definitely going towards the new skaven battleforce and the next step of army painter medium (orc) set.I'm also tempted to get a spearhead instead of this starter box as I'm not sure if I care for the stormcast at all.If I go sigmar I'd rather go with the cities. I thought painting a few knights would be cool, but most of them got not capes which is a major bummer.There is an allure to skaventide too, it has so many goodies, I'd get a book for the games basics, it feels like a complete table top game too... but again idk about the stormcasts.Selling them off would make the box set incomplete. Not like I got any friends to play with tho...I want to finalize my order today before I change my mind.Thanquol story was suggested here, couldn't find book 2 & 3 for sale.I want and will get more paint too after I paint a couple clan rats and get a feel for whether or not I'll be sticking to this hobby or it's going to rot on my shelve like my woodcarving set and many others.Wont start the big rats until I get cool colors for them too and I got some exp.https://files.catbox.moe/u4cgdm.mp4 this shit has been in my head for the whole weekend.TL:DR; Are the goodies in the Skaventide box as cool as they look? What box should I get out of the listed ones?Do I get a black or a grey primer can or other? Any specific cool colors for skaven?Anything else I'd need? (I'll have to get brushes separately because this store only has expensive ones.) I own an exacto knife thing already. Got a nail file too I guess if needed.Maybe the army painter Hobby Tool Kit?
>>97004398Nighthaunt can all be monocoloured "holograms"
>>97004278It's basically just newer equipment, i doubt anyone outside of Stormcast memorabilia collectors even care in univers.Just like nobody can yell if your car is a 2009 or 2011 model
>>97004398I was thinking nighthaunt
>>97004435And I'm here debating getting Skaventide for the Stormcast side...Your cart looks fine though I'd get a normal cheap pallete as well as you shouldn't use the wet one for metallics and contrast/speed paints. Consider getting the Battleforce for your rats if you still can. It is available where I live in a couple of stores so maybe you can grab it too. Yes Skaventide is fucking great and rats are a good choice.
>>97004435>Maybe the army painter Hobby Tool Kit?I got it and I'm very happy with it so go for it.
Technically not AoS news but I always find the designers' notes on new models to be interesting reads. Especially in this case since the darkoath models in AoS and the new marauder kit in TOW represent a forked development from WHFB's old marauders. https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/5wik4apb/old-world-almanack-chaos-marauders-designers-notes/
>>97004527Man I'd care more for any of the resins minatures before Norscan shit. Genuinely the most boring shit out of fb.
>>97004541Resin is going the way of the Dodo, even Necromunda special characters are becoming plastic now.
I hate to beg, but money is tight and I just started on the hobby. I got myself a spearhead box of Cities of Sigmar and downloaded all the free pdfs from the site, but if someone had any of these until I can get them myself, it would be awesome:I'm looking for any of these 4E books:- Core Rulebook- Fire and Jade / Sand and Bone - Any of the path of glory books.- Any of the battletomes (of course, Cities of Sigmar most of all).I got a lot of pdfs from the torrents, but there is nothing 4E.
>>97004550RIP tummy doc
>>97004477>>97004427What about DoT? Give them to your 10 year old nephew to paint them whatever they want to and say to your confounded opponent "It's Chaos. Ain't gonna explain shit."
>>97004521The battleforce is only for sign-up based preorder unfortunately. I'm hoping I can get into the hobby before I pull the trigger on it and it will still be available at the time.>skaventideWhat do you reckon the second hand value of the stormcasts might end up being from the total box price? I'm attracted by the terrain, the books and whatnot, it feels like a skaven spearhead with extra stuff at that point, but I really don't care for stormcasts at all.Also no ogres.But value wise, the "core book" is 1/3 of the price of the skaventide box alone if I were to buy it separately.>>97004524Thanks, removed the clipper and added it instead. At least I get to experiment with the green sculptor thing too. Does it air dry or does it need UV?Also any specific color recommendations for skavens/skaventide box set?
>>97004566Only works for demons
>>97004566'Eavy Metal doesn't want you to know this but you can actually paint all your kairic acolytes blue from head to toe and drybrush gold over their gear.
>>97004527I feel like I might want to get some of these to use in Warcry. Juxtapose them against the other GA Chaos warbands, you know. Count as regular Darkoath marauders.
>>97004592speaking of eavy metal how come they were allowed to go so hard on the new nurgle stuff, it's quite a departure from their usual (mandated?) style.
>>97004609Maybe a new guy was added to the team and they haven't crushed his soul yet
>>97004592I don't hate that. But maybe paint the Kairics bright pink and the Tzaangors blue to carry the Horror paint scheme across the rest of the army.
>>97004619Swap it around. Pink Gors and Blue humans
>>97004609I think it's very much in line with the other showcase models they painted for 4e. If you go back to read the painters' comments on their process for Skaventide you might get some insight into how and why they've changed things up.
>>97004592>>97004619>>97004622The team had this figured out in 1st edition. Your dudes can be painted whichever color you like.
>>97004607Personally I dont like the look of them even within the context of fb. I dont really like the thought of them fighting in somewhere like the 8 points, but i'd be curious how you would spread out the units/weapon types to proxy as for in warcry. Also 20 dudes is probably too much, just wait for some dude on ebay to split like 10 or so dudes and put em on circles.
>>97004607I'll be using the heads for pox wretches probably. That or zombie
>>97004690Who do I bribe to get a Tzaangor with toucan beak?
>>97004607TOW wins again.
>>97004703Isn't pox wretches whole thing that they're blindfolded?
The slayers' proportions here are kinda freaking me out.
>>97004760genuinely laughing at how the pants make them look so zetsy.
>>97004690One nice thing about 1e battletomes is that they just threw 500 paint schemes at you. >>97004760Feels like they forgot to tell the artist that fyreslayers are dwarfs or something.
>>97004116big armorbig weaponsmost diverse list buildingnew models every 3 yearshard to play, but very satisfying to masterbest community with the stormkeep discordif you like collecting a big army and you like the aesthetic, stormcast is a great choice
>>97004778>One nice thing about 1e battletomes is that they just threw 500 paint schemes at you.On that note, I hope Maggotkin get some new ones with their new models. I don't think they ever had unique paint schemes for their subfactions in the fluff the way Khorne & Tzeentch did.
>>97004116Lore has gotten better but I wouldn't buy into an army that can lose dozens of warscrolls at any edition change.
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>>97004810isnt that a problem with every army right now though?fyreslayers are rumoured to get 4 new kits but also lose 4 kitsogors are rumoured to lose a bunch of kits (gnoblars, leadbelchers, man eaters) with their new model wave
>>97004844>isnt that a problem with every army right now though?No. Except for Underworld/Warcry units and old models from WHFB.
>>97004551This isn't a hobby for someone where money 'gets tight'
>>97004872This is largely true, but now that AoS is 10 years old, we are reaching the point where the oldest AoS original kits can and will gradually start to get replaced. Seen already with SC and now Fyreslayers.
Here’s a mega boss I finished today
>>97004898looks great anon
>>97004208>>97004146>>97004788>>97004810Alright. I'm in. Is it worth getting some of the old squatted kits lying around in various LGS' for nostalgia sake?I dislike how the old Stormcast look but they had some decent designs.
>>97004898Side view >>97004911Thank you >>97004892NTA and I generally agree with you but hobbying on a budget actually sounds fun. Making do with limited paints, a single quality brush, painting individual minis to a high degree to get the most out of a single piece of plastic, exploring cheaper ranges and companies, etc.Seriously, is it any worse than the guy who has a dozen unopened space marine battle forces and paints them all in contrast paint because he can “afford” to hobby?
>>97004928nothing is 100% confirmed yet but its like 99% likely that every old stormcast model is going to be removed or replaced in the next editionso only buy the old models if you really like them and want them in your display cabinet, because theres no guarantee they will have rules in 18 months
I’m working on these leftover blood reavers now. Building them I realized how much a khorne refresh is needed and how awesome it would be. Almost the entire range is really old and the proportions show it. Also this mfer’s little standard is THICK as hell and surprisingly heavy. >>97004928Look on eBay for doomers selling off their squatted collections. Even if they’re trying to sell them as a set, I doubt they get much inquiry so ask if they’d be willing to sell you some characters
>>97004928If you like em sure, most things have a fairly direct proxy option anyway. The only obvious exception I can think of off the top of my head is the ballista. They've got a billion heroes and I assume most people won't be able to keep them apart since they've got very samey names. You can use the ordinator as a relictor, knight arcanum, maybe a lord imperatant if you've got an extra gryph-hound
>tfw will never join the lads in crashing a mecha squid and then getting plastered together on daddy's infinite booze cask three times over
>>97004944>>97004953>>97004960I wasn't looking at second hand places yet but various LGS' around me have discounted old heroes and even sets so I'm a bit tempted. There seems to be a decent amount of Soul Wars stuff like Sequitors, Evocators etc. >>97004551https://gofile.io/d/UKBa4Ahttps://gofile.io/d/YGUIqCI don't think Cities of Sigmar had got their 4E book yet. I can give you the 3E one but you might have it already.
>>97004966Guys will literally imagine their dad helping them commit suicide by alcohol poisoning rather than go to therapy.
>>97005030the second edition stormcast got hit the hardest, I don't there's a single kit of that era left. First edition fatcast have some guys trudging along and obviously a lot of refreshes, but sacrosanct and friends got sent back to sigmar pretty hard.
>>97004928I got like an entire table of 2e and 1e casts for like 180 bucks 3k points or some shit. It's well worth it since a stormcast is a stormcast you can pretty easily run shit as legends or "counts as"
>>97005049>I don't there's a single kit of that era leftjust Gardus Steel Soul and rumour is hes getting a Lord-Commander model at some point
Finally some good eatin'https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/h2qdou5l/an-adventurers-guide-to-warhammer-quest-darkwater-the-basic-rules/
>>97005049the spells survived
>>97005037therapy only works if your therapist has higher IQ than you
>>97005049I'd still bet they're gonna get refreshed, GW wants to push them and if they already have free stat pools and design ideas they're gonna do it.
>>97005049>>97005077>>97005079Is there a lore reason why they got squatted?Is there a real world reason? I don't think they were so unpopular. I remember seeing a lot of Stormcast long ago on the tables.>>97005075I'll look into it. For now I'm getting Dominion, Skaventide and the Spearhead. Gonna rip one of the Yndrasta's wings (she's in Dominion and the Spearhead) to give my Thosand Sons Daemon Prince. Always wanted to do that, now I'll have an excuse. Those Black Friday deals are getting me into AoS.
>>97005110>Is there a lore reason why they got squatted?The fat boys started wearing slim fit armor.>Is there a real world reason?Because every edition launched with a huge wave of new stormcast models their range quickly bloated and made it easy to justify trimming som fat. Also the fatcast had always been a lightning rod for online outrage, so reinventing them might have been a way to separate from that.
>>97005110>Is there a lore reason why they got squatted?Yes but it doesnt really matter Belakor cursed the skies in all the realms and it prevented Stormcast from returning to Azyr on death, trapping their souls in the skies. Grungni made stronger armor that could resist the cursed skies and still return for reforging>Is there a real world reason? I don't think they were so unpopular. I remember seeing a lot of Stormcast long ago on the tables.GW wanted to update the design because the 2015 armor didnt look good enoughIn retrospect, the 2nd edition release wave was really weird. Plenty of push fit models, some of them straight up unfinished (lord arcanum on gryph charger), the artillery didn't match the sacrosanct units.It's like they knew they were going to change the armor design and pushed everything they had in the works out the door to make as much money as possible with their old concepts
>>97005151>Because every edition launched with a huge wave of new stormcast models their range quickly bloated and made it easy to justify trimming som fat.an army range being large has literally never been a reason for GW to remove a modelstormcast range will only grow larger over time as more chambers are released, the old chambers (vanguard, extremis) are redesigned, and sacrosanct is eventually re-released in thunderstrike armor (the narrative hooks are already in place for this)
>>97005110Check ebay and FB Marketplace, you can find shit cheap. I found this lot awhile back for like 180ish(?) It was basically dominion, Skaventide, Original box, Soul Wars all kinda crammed into one. Then got a few extra fat cast heroes and carthos for 50 bucks.
>>97005151>>97005169>>97005185Thanks for the explanation. I personally never liked the old Stormcast but as I've said they had some nice models. The new range is actually fantastic but there still are some a bit weird models (imo) like this dude right here.
fun party game: match the stormcast character to their name
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>>97005211Trumpet guy is still my favorite becauae of the little lip hole in his mask. Glad I snagged one when I had the chance.
>>97004760People who see fyrechads and decide to be trousertards are truly soulless, heartless, brainless individuals bereft of good taste and artistic merit.
>>97005234Always liked him too, same with the original silver tower questor. Trumpet dude also has two sculpts for some reason, though they're both quite good.
So ignoring the quality of the paintjobs, left Khorne with standard red and brownish metal and warmer tones or right with the dark iron more darker tones?
>>97005206knight relictor is actually really cool if you give him a headswaphe's also got a cool reliquary on his back that isnt shown in any of the GW photos
>>97005211help...
>>97005297Oh yeah that's true. He's a bit chunky though.
>>97004929That guy doesn't even paint and doesn't play his hobby is just buying shit.What I mean is if you can't run the army you want, or if you are choosing an army, because of the cost in money, this hobby isn't for you
>>97004894There is a difference between replacing a kit and making a unit unplayable. The old liberator kit was replaced with a new one while most sacrosanct where deleted from the game.
>>97005297>he's also got a cool reliquary on his backThe widdle backpacks of the fatcast is one design element I wish had carried over.
>>97005325samethey look great on annihilators
>>97005349Funnily enough I am using the paladins kit as a replacement to Annilators because it's much cheaper to get them than get Annilator
the ride never ends
>>97005298don't ask me brother, I forgot who is who while I was making the damn thing
>>97005386I know he's knocking an arrow, but it looks like he's doing the fucking bogdanoff "domp eet" meme
>>97005386Kinda fucked up how they baited Kurnothi fans with him and the underworlds band.
>>97005408>Kurnothi fansWho?
>>97005414Furry coomer sect of Sylvaneth fans.
>>970052111 knight judicator2 knight questor3 lord ordinator4 lord veritant5 knight relictor6 lord relictor7 knight incantor8 lord vigilant on gryphstalker9 knight azyros10 knight vexillor11 lord castellant12 lord aquilor13 knight venator14 lord arcanum15 lord exorcist16 lord imperatant17 knight heraldor18 lord terminos19 lord celestant20 knight arcanumyou could have made this difficult by using more obscure characters like the various collector knight-questors and arcanums
>>97005408I bet Bullgors love Kurnothi slaves the most.
>>97005404
>>97005386>>97005404>the ellsmeets of ashuut stock?>dump eet
>>97005480Lel, thank you anon.
>>97005480>>97005484
>>97004929Hobbying on a budget whether by necessity or not is still very possible. You can find great deals on stuff with some effort. I give much more respect and leeway to the budget hobbyist building an army as they can if they have to proxy or use empty bases than I do to the mindless space marine consoomer with a closet full of models.
>>97005495>space marine consoomer with a closet full of models
>>97005495What about the Budget AOS player with a closet full of models because people keep dumping stuff off as cheap as humanly possible?
>>97005110>Is there a lore reason why they got squatted?in first edition the sacrosanct chamber was held in reserve in azyr because their role was first and foremost to oversee the reforging process, not to fight offensive warswhen nagash unleashed the necroquake the undead presence was dire enough that the sacrosanct's expertise against supernatural threats was a necessity and so they got deployedthis was considered a gamble because by deploying them the reforging process would be less supported, leading to greater and more common flaws, but the chamber would have a chance to scout the realms in search of a solution at the end of the day the lumineth defeated nagash and stopped the necroquake, effectively closing the soul wars, so the sacrosancts got recalled to go back to supporting the reforgingswhich was a massive bummer in setting too because they did not, in fact, come any closer to a solution to the slowly mounting flaws>Is there a real world reason?the stormcast range was way too bloated and with redundant options eating at each other's sales, and gw was in the process of updating the design from fatcast to slimcast, and the sacrosancts are fat, so they had to gothose few fatcasts currently up are there either because gw has plan on updating them to a new design in the relatively short term, or due to some unknown exception while the sacrosancts were too many to update or keep
>>97005323>while most sacrosanct where deleted from the gameAnd Sacrosanct was the most popular way to play Stormcast. Damn that must've hurt.
>>97005647>the stormcast range was way too bloated and with redundant options eating at each other's salesheadcanon
>>97005647>or due to some unknown exceptionI think pic related looks fine in the current range. His armor kinda looks like the Annihilator armor.
>>97005669Was it? I always just assumed once thunderstrike hit most people wouldn't be too interested in picking up first and second edition fatcast. Then again a ton of people joined during 2nd edition so maybe.
>>97005676I mean he's not wrong, with dominion hitting you had like 3 different generic battleline (even though that's not a thing anymore) options. Spear guys, Liberators, and Liberators but in robes.You had auto crossbows, bows, and rocket launcher bows. You had the 1 war machine and hero associated with it in a faction that probably isn't meant to have a ranged focus. (even if it is funny as hell)I can see why GW would slice off some stuff to just refresh the Sacrosanct later. They did it at the same time as the great beastmen and savage ork culling as well so they probably figured they'd just remove the bandaid all at once. I'm not particularly happy with it but I can see why it happened, GW will probably just re-release it all anyways so it's not like it matters in the long term.
>>97005703>a faction that probably isn't meant to have a ranged focus
>>97005692>Was it?It was the absolute most meta way at least.
One thing I miss about the Sacrosanct range is its beasts. The Celestial Dracolines and the majestic Tauralon.
>>97005428Thats not a bullgor
What is easier to play in a competitive setting? Stormcast, Soulblight or Helsmiths?
>>97005711YOU'LL SEE, GW is gonna kill off the funny hunter guys with pistols JUST YOU WAIT ANON.
>>97005752>competitive play >spoonfeeding do you own research?
>>97005723I personally always thought dracolines were possibly the ugliest models in all of aos, taurolon was cool though
>>97005703>a faction that probably isn't meant to have a ranged focushow can anyone think this? since the start of the game stormcast have been THE shooting army
>>97004898those shadows look messy af, you should've worked from a dark tone instead
>>97005774Well I have an easy answer, I haven't been playing since the start I associate heavy shooting more with KO. Also they got rid of castigators and it makes me mad.
>>97005639You’re on a slippery slope. Work on your stuff.
>>97005803I'll keep doin muh best.
>>97005768
>>97005752stormcast have simple mechanics but theyre surprisingly complex to play in a competitive setting because you have to master the strategic basics of the game and fully understand your opponents army. have to shift your strategy with every matchuphelsmith mechanics are complicated but once you understand the DPP system the army is very simple to play, does basically the same thing in every gamesoulblight somewhere in the middle of both
>>97005866Soulblight has so many varieties it can be difficult to nail down a specific style that's going to work. You have options but it boils down to what you want to use the most: Vamp spam, cav spam, skeleton spam, "monster" spam (200 dollars per rev drac unless you've got the old kit on a slightly larger base, or buying like 5 lauka vai kits) I have no idea how tourneys go either so who fuckin knows.
>>97005078>slophaven card metagame because that's trending and I thought cursed city was shit the lack of bespoke behaviour is kinda lame too, definitely abandoned the option for variety there
>>97005676basic logic is not headcanonyou can't have too many different kits doing the same thing for the same kind of newcomer hobbyist and expect all of those kits to be equally successful
>>97005907they dont need to be equally successfulif they were worried about bloat, why did they release vindictors? theyre literally just liberators with spearsat least if they were a weapon option in the liberator kit that would be understandable, but theyre a completely different kitthe truth is that GW doesnt care about how many stormcast kits there are
>>97006024They released vindicators because they needed a new slimcast unit as battleline after they planned on nixxing fatcast entirely.
>>97006024>why did they release vindictors?because it wasn't yet the time to remove or update liberators, but they needed a new battleline
So if they're just going to keep stormcast in every starter set the problem of stormie bloat is just going to keep being an issue right? They'll have to do a cull every edition.
>>97006056>>97006095why not just release liberatorslook at all the mental gymnastics you guys have to do to justify your headcanon
>>97006104This bait is stupid
>>97006104>why not just release liberatorsbecause it wasn't yet the time to remove the fat liberators, so the new battleline needed to be a little bit more different and because spears fit better the slim redesign of stormcast>but they still made liberators in the endbecause they had to throw a battleline unit in the new starter and it was now the time to remove the fatties>but it's still redundant yes, turns out that you can't keep stormcasts forever in the starter sets without either bloat or rotation of unitsit's possible that one day either liberators or vindictors will be removed turns out there are threshold between acceptable bloat and excessive bloat, and sacrosancts were excessive, for now vindictors aren't, this is an arbitrationyou can live in denial or accept what is literally happening before your eyes
>>97006096works for 40k has worked for AoS so far
>>97006096Surely at some point they have to consider non stormcast starters.I guess the rumoured cos vs eshin spearhead thing is a start
>>97006152>because it wasn't yet the time to remove the fat liberatorsWhy not?Oh right, it's just more headcanon to justify the first part> so the new battleline needed to be a little bit more differentNo its almost identical, the weapon is the only real differenceIll make this so simple that even a retard like you can understand it: if games workshop cares about the number of stormcast units, then there was no reason to release Vindictors when they could have just released Liberators insteadUntil you can directly refute this point, you have lost this argument
>>97006168stormcast aren't marines though, they can afford to have 200+ kits, stormcast can't. 60% of the (already larger) 40k playerbase has a marine army, for stormcast that's probably between 15 to 20 at absolute best.
>>97006169>I guess the rumoured cos vs eshin spearhead thing is a startif side games like spearhead count then theyve been doing non-stormcast starters since 2019
>>97006169>Surely at some point they have to consider non stormcast starters.Why would you assume this. There most popular products have been them shoving marines into everything. There's no precedent for anything else to be successful
>>97006193>Until you can directly refute this point, you have lost this argumentOh sure, let me call my inside source at GW real quick you fucking moron.
>>97006169I mean depends on what we're counting as starters, there have been those double faction army boxes but those aren't really starters. I figure GW does it because if someone had the last starter it's easier to justify the next one because it'll have more stuff for an army they already have. I imagine GW is trying to sell shit to as many people as possible so you got repeat customers and people who are interested at hopping in.
>>97006209underworlds is a sidegame, spearhead is basically "baby's first aos"
>>97006209>murdergoats died>furry elves livedJustice is dead.
>>97006193>the weapon is the only real differencethat's the little bit of difference
>>97006193>if games workshop cares about the number of stormcast units, then there was no reason to release Vindictors when they could have just released Liberators insteadNo, they couldn't, because the older liberators weren't to be removed yetWhy do you expect gw to not be arbitrary on these matters? are you a genuine child discovering for the first time that the world isn't fair?
>>97006361>because the older liberators weren't to be removed yetbecause...?
>>97004116Honestly, they're pretty fun for a "beginner" faction.They're like StD but have actual tech insofar as having movement options, real shooting, healing and recursion mechanics, spell defense, etcRuination Chamber stormcast have been surprisingly fun to play
>>97006361>They do things on purpose because they care about bloat and remove models>but they released vindictors lso GW is also arbitraryLiterally destroyed your own argument, good job lol
What are you failed males even arguing about today Jesus christ.
>>97006363>because...?we don't know why, but we know gw didn't do itwhy can't you wrap your head around such a simple fact?
>>97006389>>97006152>turns out there are threshold between acceptable bloat and excessive bloat, and sacrosancts were excessive, for now vindictors aren't, this is an arbitration>you can live in denial or accept what is literally happening before your eyes
>>97005110>Is there a lore reason why they got squatted?Sacrosanct were let out to try to find a cure for reforging sickness, they discovered it was fundamental to reforging and cannot be fixed, so Sigmar put them back in Azyr to help the process as much as they can.>Is there a real world reason?Sacrosanct were basically a whole-ass second army where every unit was a wizard, and while it was cool as fuck to play, they were seen as a replacement for 1.0 stormcast.They changed directions on that with 3.0, so suddenly Sacrosanct had no real purpose and their rules were heavily curtailed.I wouldn't have minded if most of the 1.0 roster got squatted but Sacrosanct were the new way forward, but I do think thunderstrike units introduced with 3.0 have been much more popular.
>>97006417>we don't know why, but we know gw didn't do itso you admit you have no logical explanation and are just making shit upcool>>97006426>for now vindictors aren'twhy notthey are literally the peak of bloat, just liberators with a different weapons, only one release wave behind the new liberators
>>97005323>while most sacrosanct where deleted from the game.With the exception of the ballista, most Sacrosanct units were direct 1-to-1 equivalents of existing units. Sacrosanct getting squatted mattered less because sequitors could just be liberators, evocators could be paladins (or reclusians if you can find some little dudes for them), dracolines could be palladors, etc
>>97006442>they are literally the peak of bloat, just liberators with a different weapons, only one release wave behind the new liberatorsYeah but these were the new ones, it's not bloat when it's heralding in the new range. They were slimcast which gave the implication non-slimcast were on the chopping block.
vindictors were gw's test drive for thunderstrike, and to see if this time the stormcast redesign really sticks. Once they saw that it did, they could port over the liberators too, and they had no more use for the previous attempts at a redesign (sacrosanct).
>>97006465but why release vindictors at all if you care about bloat? why not just release the liberators, which they did only a few years later?the answer is they dont actually care about bloat
>>97006416>tfw 5th chaos god in both AoS and 40k aren't Bitch'lakor
>>97006483>why not just release liberators?see >>97006481
>>97006499why make liberators if you already have vindictors? theyre almost identical units
>>97006508Sort of?Liberators are objective sitters, vindictors are supposedly anti-charge unitsOf all the sorta-battleline units, Vanquishers are my favorite. They actually feel like they're a step above normal infantry units without being Chosen equivalents.
>>97006508They're not identical, one has spears, the other has hammers :) imagine GW releasing near identical stuff in the same range.
>>97003966>Is tow so boring the guy on the left started playing Magic the Gathering during the match?
>>97006535glad you finally agree that GW doesnt care about bloat
>>97006442>making shit updo you think what I said didn't happen?gw found sacrosancts too much and cut themgw didn't find vindictors too much and so made themit's not difficult
>>97006535Not to dwell on 40k too much but I bought my first primaris unit to paint for a SS gift and holy shit these really look like shit. The propoprtions are so weird. I was never really a marine guy but these are easily worse than firstborn
>>97006544Well they do, do you still see old marine kits out in 40k? Fatcasts are old, so they got cut. Simple as. Only ones that got to stick around were the big kits GW didn't have the time to replace (yet)
>>97006544It cares, when it wants.
>>97006544The difference with marines is that theoretically, each unit has some different niche because of their different guns.Sequitors were just liberators, but with more grand hammers and a shield gimmick.Evocators were just another flavor of paladin (who also all got cut) that had to cast a spell to get their own special rule to work, otherwise they were simply worse paladins.That's what I appreciate about ruination, reclusians aren't really replacing anything but are instead their own niche units that make sense in a combined army. Sacrosanct weren't that.You didn't splash Sacrosanct, you either did a whole army of them or you did none (maybe a ballista).
Why am I replying to this retard, he's literally just looping himself because there is no way to make an argument that's "valid" unless it's coming from James workshop himself.this is dumb, post models.
>>97006544They've steadily been getting rid of firstborn marines for not matching the new aesthetic. 10th ed saw sternguard, scouts and terminators going primaris. The only thing left are vanguard vets, tacticals and devastators.
>>97006556>Fatcasts are old, so they got cut.yes, and it has nothing to do with bloatthey got cut because they dont match the new style. thats all there is to it
>>97006606So that means GW with your logic would have no issues releasing more stormcast jobbers or the Sequitors back into the range as slimcast?
>>97006581I wasn't following your argument but I'm always happy to post some of my stuff
>>97006578i agree that sequitors were too similar to liberators but>Evocators were just another flavor of paladinthey were pretty different from the heavy armor paladins we had seen in the past>You didn't splash Sacrosanctyes you dideven "pure" sacrosanct lists still used units like gavriel sureheart to enable a deep strike chargein the same edition sacrosanct came out there was even a battalion with vanguard + sacrosanct units. it wasnt used, but the designers clearly intended for people to splash in sacrosanctthe best stormcast list in 2nd ed was a mix of evocators and longstrikesin 3rd ed you mixed sacrosanct units like dracolines, incantors, and the different arcanums alongside the rest of the chambersin 4th ed sacrosanct units were very good until they got removed. castigators and dracolines were top tier stormcast units
>>97006623I don't know man, it's a good way to get a seperate thread of images going. Also nice duders.I already posted my bloodthirster after he was primed last night so I couldn't reuse that either :( so apologies on the older image.
Does anyone have 4th Slaves to Darkness and/or Skaven battletomes?
>>97006617nta but i'm half expecting gw to do exactly that with 5th, especially if they're going up against death again
>>97006642That's my assumption which is why I was confused at people selling their 2e stuff super cheap. It's most likely just gonna be back anyways.
>>97006617>So that means GW with your logic would have no issues releasing more stormcast jobbers or the Sequitors back into the range as slimcast?yes, thats what ive been sayingsacrosanct will be back one day in thunderstrike armor. the plot hooks are already in place for that to happen as soon as 5th edition, especially since it seems like Death will be the major antagonist againbut its much more likely they will do vanguard chamber and extremis chamber before sacrosanct re-opens, since we've already seen a lot of new vanguard models (neave, the underworlds warband, and the new knight-zephyros)
>>97006655I can't even tell who I'm arguing with or what I'm arguing about anymore I'm gonna be real
>>97006632>they were pretty different from the heavy armor paladins we had seen in the pastThey were 3/3+/3+/-1/2 profiles with 3w and a 4+ save and a 5" move and depending on the edition, had to cast a spell to get their rerolls buff.They were basically just desolators who could whiff their self-buff, but in exchange got an unbind.They were REALLY cool when for all of 10 minutes they could take spells from the SCE spell list, but that got errata'd quick.
I for one hope Malerions joeson pirate dark elves fight the grand alliance dutchman of death for 5th edition
Does anyone have the 4ed Flesh Eater Courts or Nighthaunt Battletomes they're willing to share please?
>>97006655Seeing as how they finally made stormdrake guard into Extremis units (They weren't for all of 3.0), I think they're just accepting drakes as the replacement for fulminators & co.
>>97005866>>97005876Thank you anons!
Is this a woman or a twink?
>>97006679based korean dark elf schizo
>>97006686>Seeing as how they finally made stormdrake guard into Extremis unitsin the lore theyre still not part of any chamber>I think they're just accepting drakes as the replacement for fulminators & co.maybe? either way itll be interesting to see what they do with extremis chamber. theres old rumours of a new stardrake kit, with lord-commander gardus as one of the build options
>>97006733Woman. The male is in the Spearhead magazine collection.
>>97006675they also had lightning arc, which was a big dealweird that you just ignored the thing that made them totally different from paladins>They were basically just desolators who could whiff their self-buff, but in exchange got an unbind.did you mean decimators? desolators are cavalry>They were REALLY cool when for all of 10 minutes they could take spells from the SCE spell list, but that got errata'd quick.they were insanely cool with the anvils of the heldenhammer command allowing them fight in the hero phaseit was one of the strongest lists in the history of AOS
>>97006733>>97006764gotta say I prefer the fatcast version for this one
>>97006764Aww, fuckers. This magazine is not available in my country. When does it come out? Or did it already?
>>97006793It is a better pose on the fat cast for sure. He also just doesn’t look as ridiculous as Judicators or old Libs.
>>97006802Hot take but the 1.0 paladin armor was objectively fine and all those models aged well, it was the base liberator armor that needed more cooking time (the fucking metal diaper)
>>97006793>>97006802are you guys high? that pose is awfullegs and head are facing one way and the chest/torso/arms are pointed the opposite wayit looks like a jojo character (and not in a good way)
>>97006761That’s how it was in 3.0, but in 4.0 they quietly shuffled them into the extremis chamber on the organization chart and gave them the keyword They still don’t mention it at all in their unit fluff blurb so I don’t blame anyone for missing it
>>97006855thats gayi also hate that the WARRIOR CHAMBER is a keyword instead of STRIKE CHAMBER
>>97006821I’ll give you that. Paladin armor wasn’t horrible. If it could come back without the space marine-like backpack and a silhouette not unlike Reclusians, man that would be tasty.
>>97002108>two edition launches flopping in a row
>>97006870> If it could come back without the space marine-like backpackYou could always just leave it off, iirc. The new knight-relictor has the same kind of backpack.
I hope he get's a proper update. Cool idea, horrible model. I remember there was once a tournament winning list with multiple of those.
>>97006944Those armour plates look so stupid but other than that cool model. Like the guy riding it too. Gotta say I prefer this dude to the pixar dragons
>>97006955The only redeemable part of the model is the armor plates for me (and the horn pattern and weird face) I really like big chunky blocky armor.
>>97006955Well the pixar dragons are supposed to be intelligent talking dragons like Smaug from the Hobbit while the Celestant one is a dumb big drake.
>>97006944He’s cool in person, really meant to be seen from above
>>97004116They pair great with HRT, if you're into that sort of thing. Otherwise you're probably better off picking something that doesn't suck.
>>97006958To each their own but yeah really not my thing.
>>97007029Imagine being so fragile you are scared by a couple of female models.
>>97006764I wonder if there will be more alt sculpts available through the magazine's run.
>>97007029Nu-Cast are kino.
Do khadrons have bombs?
>>97004831>we're 10/10 in Bongland darkoafs are good now
>>97007074They really are. Would love to field a force that would more or less play like a bunch of Chosen and Chaos Warriors.
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>>97007114Ruination aren't just doable, they're still pretty meta iirc.You can do mostly reclusians + prosecutors with a splash of liberators/vanquishers and heroes. They play a MEAN objective game.
>>97007116Alright let me rephrase, do they have hand grenades?
>>97007119Fuuuuuck. Please don’t do this to me. I’m not even at 2k LRL painted.
>>97006733woman
>>97006944It will be locked to vandus
>>97007114You can go pretty elite with them so you could do it.>>97007141It will probably be a dual kit for a normal Celestant and Vandus or Gardus like most of SCE kits.
>>97007162I actually built, mold-lined, and primed a whole dominion set before handing it off to my friend because I could not, for the life of me, come up with a color scheme.
>>97007251When you can't decide. Think of the FIRST paint scheme you came up with and start painting. Don't think anymore. Just paint.
>>97007251I've been there before, sometimes the biggest struggle is coming up with a scheme that looks good and you're prepared to do repeatedly.
>>97007265I knew I wanted silver armor and gold trim, but it was the tertiary color I couldn’t decide on. I did paint up this dude a while ago for fun. I wanted to do phthalo green on my LRL but also couldn’t figure out a tertiary color to go with the green and metal, so I opted for the scheme I have now.
>>97007134Ruination are cheap, there’s no extra equipment in the multipart kits so you can bulk out your reclusians and prosecutors with starter set stuff just fine.Having a grand total of 12 reclusians is pretty much all you need
Bottom left got me wanting to see StD in gold plating. Anybody got any good examples of that?
>>97007128Hand grenades strictly speaking not as far as I know, but they do put them on their guns
>>97007358There's an Emperor's Children scheme like that and it's all over youtube
>>97007358Today I learned there was a limited edition of the Everchosen battletome. Wtf
>>97007461And it appears to have had artwork that I've never seen before and that I don't think has been republished anywhere since. What the hell?
Are there stats on what the most popular factions are?For me Skaven has to be #1 which made me wonder, do people care about the other chaos factions at all?Maybe Nurgle I guess?It's so weird to me how little appeal Destruction and Chaos hold for me. Even Orks who I like a lot in 40k seem lame here.In 40k the only ones I really felt like they are absurdly lame were the Genestealers.If you like a faction you consider obscure, what made you like them?
>>97007531No, there isn't
>looking through the SCE articles>find this Damn. So much for Sigmar's gratitute.
>>97007531>For me Skaven has to be #1 which made me wonder, do people care about the other chaos factions at all?>For meYou answered your own question.
>>97007548Yeah it's subjective, which is why I was fishing for people who for example like the destruction faction to see what drew them to them of all things.
>>97007542They’re low-key awesome in game, constantly sold out. Good way to use your leftover sacrosanct guys.
>>97007531Slaves to darkness, seraphon, Skaven and stormcast all tend to be very popular across the board
>>97007558Oh yes they are awesome models and good in game. Just that they were named heroes and got reforged into NPC's for all their heroics and troubles.
>>97007581Be glad they escaped being forever trapped in the Gnarlwood.
>>97007531we dont actually have great ways of tracking raw popularity. a massive portion of the player base are casual, a decent chunk literally dont even play they just paint and collect. you cant look at tournament representation either because thats skewed by how strong shit actually is in the metaprobably the closest thing we can get to an actual general sampling of the population for faction popularity are subreddit followers, because everyone from new players to pure hobbyists to tournament regulars and everything inbetween all use the reddits.
>>97007581Being made NPCs is the good ending for Underworld Bands. The alternative is vanishing forever.
Slaves to darkness make more sense in sigmar than the chaos cunts in 40k
>>97004760Go, Tzeentch, Go! Blue&Pink>Red>The slayers' proportionsIt's an illusion by the Lord of Change.
>>97007626Aren't most of the OG bands dead because Beastgrave fucking exploded.
>>97007662The original warbands are undead, all the settings were afterlives connected by shade glass and the magic of the necro quake. All the warbands die and return to life endlessly. That's why they recur in card art
>>97007725Not technically undead, just have the ability to respawn. Though they were just part of the Catophrane curse which unfortunately got hotfixed away by Teclis.
Where does this Stormcast come from?
>>97007768you seem confused anon, the 40k thread is 2 doors down.
Are the bulltaurs something that can be made or are they just born different
>>97007768Hephaston Chamber, notorious for their harsh reforging process which turns the user's skin a sooty black, and their uncanny hatred for aelves.
>>97007785They are born like that and are considered mutants but blessed by Hashut. Other mutants are also born but most of them are discarded.
>>97007768Edassa
>>97007785They're born that way, but chaos dwarf women will deliberately try to get their babies to become bull centaurs by going to the temples of Hashut.Chaos dwarf babies tend to have a lot of mutations, most that are deformed are killed. Bull centaurs are the exception.
>>97007898>by going to the temples of Hashuta-and do what?
>>97007531There's a couple of ways you can try to approximate popularity but they've all got their own problems; tournament stats, subreddit sizes, good old polls. In general though the consensus is that stormcast, skaven, seraphon, slaves to darkness, soulblight and gloomspite gitz are among the top, depending on how you count thing you can add sylvaneth and warclans.Towards the bottom there's tzeentch and slaanesh, fyreslayers, sons of behemat probably idk and dok too. Unless I'm forgetting something obvious all the other ones should be somewhere in the middle.
>>97008025About what I'd expect yeah, maybe swapping sylvaneth with gitz.
>>97007662No, they escaped through the caves/tunnels and ended up in Gnarlwood
>>97008025Cities was fairly popular in 2ed but I think a lot of those were people using models they bought in fantasy. Now that a lot of that stuff got trimmed back you don't see it as much because it's harder for people to run their 25 year old models they've had piled up for ages
>>97008025>subreddit sizeRip ossiarch.
So when when do they update pink/blue/brimstone horrors, pic related showed that they found a good style for them.I want more demons in warhammer
These mog Darkoath so hard it's sad
>>97008374Blue and brimstone are pretty recent, first edition aos. Pink is a bit older and rougher though, I wanna say 2009? I guess it depends on what they do with them in terms of style and stuff. If they're just going to update the old sculpts to modern quality they'll probably refresh only pink, but if they want to go full pandaemonium they might include blue too. Brimstone should be fine though.
>>97008397Yeah they do, I feel like I got baited and switched by GW buying into them. These are way cooler.
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