>use AI slop for NPC art because there are like 40 NPCs and I feel like visual aids will help them keep better track if they have an image associated with it>one player gets pissed about it and demands we not use it because it's "stealing" even though nothing about this campaign involves money changing handsWTF do you even do in this situation? You have one player who literally cannot stand seeing slop and screams and shits his pants over it every time it's even brought up.
>>97007876>postkick his retarded ass>imagekick your own retarded ass
Ask him to either provide the art himself if he's that miffed, to get over himself, or to leave. I don't like AI, but it's not that big a deal for character tokens.Or you can just stop telling fake ai stories on 4chan, that's also an option
This didn't happen.
>>97007876Use actual pictures of actors or cartoon characters for laughs Do a cheap quick doodle that looks silly for th soul
This absolutely happened because the sort of people who play the popular TTRPGs in 2025 are also the sort who need to aggressively virtue signal about how badwrong AI is.However I'm unsure it happened to OP specifically.
>>97007876Tell him to stop bitching about your GMing or GTFO. You're the one spending time doing the tokens and setting everything up for his lazy ass. Simple. I'm sure this did happen as lefties are now deranged about AI and keep whining about how it's "stealing" when they very happy to steal/pirate everything under the son from the evil capitalists before AI came along.
>>97007876Why is that shitter tolerated on your table?
Based playerFuck AI slop and the midwits who cannot see it as the direct affront to God it is
>>97008071Animals like us have no God either way.
>>97007900Fippus bippus.
>>97007876If they can't communicate with you as a reasonable adult with rational concerns, then they aren't interested in reaching a mutual understanding and solving the supposed problem together. Therefore: Kick him out.
>>97007993>>97007907It did happen, he's an "artist" too, but it's just generic tumblr sketches, definitely talented but doesn't even scan them just takes random photos of these pencil drawings that aren't even in color. Like, no one is stealing art from him for their slop reference database. >>97008004I might have to start doing that. But then get mocked for my shitty art.Meanwhile I can't ask them to draw characters without being looked like as an asshole because as we all know, artists are a suffering underprivileged class who suffer persecution on a daily basis. People spit on them just walking down the street. It's horrible.>>97008069>Why is that shitter tolerated on your table?Because the others agree with him, just a few degrees less vehemently. >>97008164>If they can't communicate with you as a reasonable adult with rational concernsThey do. Relentlessly telling me how it's shit because it's stealing and because chuds use it and because the energy it uses is killing the planet faster. I don't need to go into it. It's not incoherent screeching but it's still constant bitching.
>>97008462>Because the others agree with him, just a few degrees less vehementlyFuck Critical Role and whatever dregs it pushed into the hobby...
>>97008462>They do. Relentlessly telling me how it's shit because it's stealing and because chuds use it and because the energy it uses is killing the planet faster. I don't need to go into it. It's not incoherent screeching but it's still constant bitching.Do they have fucking pronouns?
>>97007876You don't actually play any games at all, retard
>>97007876>frogposter>wojakposter>slopposter
>>97008462FWIW, I always express skepticism when it comes to tales told on the internets. But for real, I do stand by that if that individual is so steamed about it, tell him he can either provide the drawings himself. It's just a game, and even if I hate AI art myself, I don't think dragging the topic up for cheap tokens is worth ruining game night. Besides, worst comes to worst, you can always swipe some token art off the internet.
>>97008462>Because the others agree with himSo the one guy isn't actually the problem, really. It's that the rest of the table doesn't agree with your desire to use the tool. So don't use it.
TTRPGs are like the one place where AI art is actually ethical. Nobody was going to commission art for every single random NPC. Most players don't even have the money to commission an artist for their own PC, and that's ignoring how long it can take for an artist to make the commission. Before AI you had people ripping off random pieces of art they found online and we all know they weren't crediting the artist for "random peasant #5". The actual problem is that all of the AI image generators have gone to shit over the course of the last year because the more images they generate, the more people post those images online, and then the AI starts using its own generations as a reference and it suffers model death where now everyone has instagram cheekbones.
>>97008701>TTRPGs are like the one place where AI art is actually ethical. Nobody was going to commission art for every single random NPC.That doesn't really have anything to do with the fact that AI datacenters are driving up energy prices for nearby communities and, in some cases, using up their potable water supplies.
>>97008744Commie gobbledygook. >stop using your computer, you're ruining the environment!>meanwhile india/china responsible for all of the earths pollution
>>97008530Yes of course they have pronouns.>>97008578>>97008535Shut up faggot.>>97008672>So the one guy isn't actually the problem, really. It's that the rest of the table doesn't agree with your desire to use the tool. So don't use it.But they probably would let it go if it weren't for one fag who willl never shut the fuck up about it.>>97008701>TTRPGs are like the one place where AI art is actually ethical. Nobody was going to commission art for every single random NPC.Exactly
>>97008782So, if he weren't bullying you into submission, you'd be able to bully them into submission? If they don't like you using the tool, don't use the tool. Don't get mad at the loudest one of them because you fantasize that they'd fall in line if he weren't there.
>>97008760Consider that I simultaneously believe BOTH that AI datacenters are harmful to the environment and also that the world would be a better place if China and India were wiped off the map.
>>97008782You don't play any games at all, you're just a troll. >>97008916Consider that you're just going to keep pissing into the wind crying about how you don't like this technology like some pedantic luddite. If me generating pictures with my computer is causing this much harm to the world, then I say it deserves it.
>>97008782Honestly, between you and the anti-AI guy, I'd tell the rest of your players to abandon the both of you. You both sound like shitheads in your own ways.
>>97007900
>>97009040Literally what has OP done wrong besides allegedly unethical method of creating tokens?
>>97009059why did you just reply to your own post?
>>97008462>Relentlessly telling me how it's shit because it's stealing and because chuds use it and because the energy it uses is killing the planet faster.You should know this is not rational, reasonable, nor is it communication. It is incoherent screeching from someone who clearly gets their opinions from reddit.
>>97007876compromise with your group or find a new group
>>97009025Not them, but (you) are consuming slop done by a corporation. You arent using (your) model, because if you had any kind of drive or ability to create you wouldnt use ai in the first place. And that means its also not your computer either, you're requesting it be done for your by their model on their computer. So to recap, (you) didnt make shit, it didnt even get made using your tools. The tool that made it is an entire building full of graphics cards in shanghai, and running that building (cooling, HVAC, lights, humidity control, computing, ect) costs that company over $2 real world dollars in electricity per "can you spellcheck my homework". >why arent they going bankrupt then?They are. The companies operating these LLMs are haemorraging money. Im glad your pointless lazy sloppa bullshit is going to kill them within a year or so, its just a shame that you're doing it in the way that causes the maximum possible ammount of collateral damage
>>97007876Maybe him calling it stealing is a polite way to tell you your slop is ugly as fuck.
>>97007876My sister used to get mad about using "stolen" art lmao. Big art student type. Easiest way to piss her off is say that you think copyright law is bullshit.
>>97008906Good point, they're all fags, he's just the most annoying one.>>97009040>abandon the GMI'm sure that'll go well when none of the rest of them are capable of running a long-lasting game. Literally when I'm not there they say they're gonna run a campaign, and when I ask later they say they felt too depressed to do anything so they just played vidya.>>97009025>You don't play any games at all, you're just a troll.I've run more sessions of TTRPGs than you've shot loads into a tissue you pathetic gooner faggot.>>97009100>It is incoherent screeching from someone who clearly gets their opinions from reddit.Obviously, but it doesn't matter, because any time AI art is shown he will seethe and throw a bitch fit.>>97009179It might have been but at least it put an image in their mind of the stuff and that's a lot better than nothing. It's honestly way better than an actual art commission because you can readjust it as you please for free, and if you run out of free tokens you can just ProtonVPN / make a new account and keep going.>>97009063It's not even tokens, just some NPC art to dump in the group chat between sessions.
>>97007876Fuck off. I wasn't screaming. I politely explained to you that AI uses stolen resources to generate the images and it's morally wrong to use AI "art" in any setting. You wouldn't listen and you threw a fit over it. Now I see you posting this shit here of all places? We're definitely banning you from our group and hopefully from the store.
>>97009219So why are you spending your free time with these people if you obviously have such contempt for them?
>>97009219>m sure that'll go well when none of the rest of them are capable of running a long-lasting game. Literally when I'm not there they say they're gonna run a campaign, and when I ask later they say they felt too depressed to do anything so they just played vidya.Like they say, no D&D is better than bad D&D, especially with a shithead DM>>97009240Details?
>>97009063He just sounds like a whiny faggot, desu, especially if he's taking his problems to 4chan
>>97007876What did you do before AI existed?
>>97009025>Consider that you're just going to keep pissing into the wind crying about how you don't like this technology like some pedantic luddite.I always find it interesting how the people who express the most certainty that AI is a purely positive tool and an inevitable technological development also behave like they feel actively threatened by anyone opining that there are issues with the technology that ought to be considered. Surely, if it were an inevitability, the Luddites could simply be ignored.
Also, the Luddites were 100% in the right.
>>97008462You sound like a faggot, which probably means you're sucking dick on the reg at the Gas-n-Go.
>>97008462>others agree with himThen you're the one at fault. Stop using AI. Finding images online is trivially easy.
>>97008701>TTRPGs are like the one place where AI art is actually ethical.Wrong. Nothing you say has merit.
>>97009063Being a whiny cunt who is in the wrong and slithered into /tg/ to get validation, like a woman.
>>97009219>they're all fagslol okay, retard
>>97007900I like anime though.
>>97009288>What did you do before AI existed?I just didn't have character art? What did you do before computers and personal printers existed? You just wrote shit out by hand. Or before you had one. I also write out stuff by hand and have a pretty low-tech approach to RPGs generally speaking. Sorry I didn't spend 100s of hours to learn art only to spend dozens more for some NPC pics my group will spend a few minutes maximum looking at. Sorry if I have a fucking job and want to enjoy this hobby without splitting hairs over whether I used some tool that some faggot artists complain about. >>97009382Two of them literally fuck troons so yeah I'd say so.>>97009367>>others agree with him>Then you're the one at fault.Wrong. I am the Gamemaster.I am the Game.This isn't a democracy.
>>97009449Wrong.
>>97009449Oh, so you're a petty tyrant who sucks dick at the local Walmart. Gotchoo.
>>97009449I don't see what the problem is. You can just describe NPCs. You know, the same way you describe everything else in the game?
>>97009449>I am the Gamemaster.>I am the Game.>This isn't a democracy.If this were really true, you wouldn't be having an issue in the first place. That you had a complaint to level makes it clear that you do not possess the degree of authority you like to pretend that you do.
>>97009240it's not immoral to use at your private table
>>97009449lol faggot
>>97009307There's literally nothing you can do about it, there's no 'threat' to the whining. You're being compared to a meme movement of people most fondly remembered for the rather Romantic but definitely memetic visual of charging at machinery with hammers to break it apart
Stop feeding the obvious troll you retards
>>97009576If that were really true, you wouldn't feel the need to go to such lengths to silence legitimate criticism of the current business model.
>>97009602>such lengths to silence legitimate criticismcalling you a retard and luddite isn't much effort, boyo
>>97008462you sound way to sensitive dude
>>97009602>>97009627Oh and for the record, here's a legitimate criticism of the current models: they keep training themselves on their own gens even the worst of them so therefore the quality of the earliest days of them invariably collapses. That's something actually worth talking about. 'muh stolen, muh planet' isn't
>>97009171>>why arent they going bankrupt then?>They areYeah I dunno about that fąm. Jimmy in his basement can generate tons of porn (around 20-30 images every ten seconds) with only 3 gpus at a rate of roughly $100 a week. Sounds like you're talking shite.
>>97009315>posted from my iphone
lol retard
>>97009661>>97009677very problematic posts. what would zey/zem think of this on the /tg/cord?
>>97009716They absolutely are. This is the company saying they'll be making 100 billion a year by 2027 btw
>>97009735idk, is that where your aitroon buddies hang out?
>>97009750>y-you're the tranny!lol, lmao. We both know what side of the debate that 'community' falls on and it ain't mine.
>>97009742If Microshaft is shitting itself because of raw upkeep costs, then how the fuck do you think indie farms are able to maintain themselves on so little? You're misattributing the cause of their downfall, it has to be something else (probably glowie fuckery).
>>97008744AI image generation - the kind you would do for a simple npc portrait - is easily achievable with a few seconds with an average gpu, up to a minute or two with very old hardware, all on your own PC, no datacenter involved. It easily takes more energy to power a drawing tablet for long enough to sketch something out than generate an image.LLMs and the like are another matter, of course, but local image generation has pretty negligible impact environmentally
>>97009798local generation is shit though, they got left in the dust by the big boys, which do use shitloads of energyjust look at /slop/, you can tell local models apart by the thumbnail
>>97009855>Local gen worse than /slop/nigga_is_you_serious.jpg
>>97009798lmao not even close
>>97009880Yes, you fucking retard.
>>97008578>gif>to animate like 4 pixelsWhy?
>>97008760>india/china responsible for all of the earths pollutionHmmmm i wonder which countries like AI the most?
>>97009941Sorry to hear you're shit at genning, anon. You should checkout the pastebin in /sdg/ or post some of your gens there to get some advice, I'm sure someone there will help you out
mad as fuck lol
>>97009489>I don't see what the problem is. You can just describe NPCs. You know, the same way you describe everything else in the game?Yeah I do. But that doesn't create the same shortcuts in the brain that a picture does. Also people miss words when they're listening sometimes, and this can cause them to mix things up.>>97009460>Oh, so you're a petty tyrant who sucks dick at the local Walmart. Gotchoo.Projection from a Wal-mart Employee>>97009518>That you had a complaint to level makes it clear that you do not possess the degree of authority you like to pretend that you do.I can, because I can just walk away, and they have no recourse other than to start their own campaign, which they won't do, at least not successfully.A child can disobey his father and throw a tantrum, but that doesn't mean that the father has the ultimate authority in the situation.>>97009454Not an argument.>>97009563Not an argument.
lol fuckin retard
>>97009449>he can write down a novel with pencil>he can't do a quick shitty doodleLaffin
>>97009972>A child can disobey his father and throw a tantrum, but that doesn't mean that the father has the ultimate authority in the situation.Honestly only proving that you're the douchebag in this situation, ai or not, with that level of unwarranted self-importance you have
>>97009880>esl can't comprehend basic english
Bro talks worse about his """players""" than the people calling him a faggot in his own thread.
>>97009965>/sdg/pffffffftHAHAHAHHAHHAHAA
OHNONONONO
so THIS is the power of le sticky...
Bro I just use the first thing that comes out of google search
>computer, compose an image for my enjoyment>style: 2015 amateur porn game>subject: woman, mangled hands, extra rib cage above tits>disable safety protocols
>>97009998>he can't do a quick shitty doodleWhat would be the value of that when the AI art is better?
>>97010135>implying AI's not better for roleplaying too
>>97010135His players clearly don't think it's better though
>>97010154No, they think amateur doodles are shit, and they think AI art is shit (even though it's better than what they draw).But they will hardly draw their own characters or anything, let alone any NPCs, because "muh depression" which all artists have.Grok and Nightcafe don't have depression.
>>97010154Incorrect, they clearly have faggy overzealous opinions on the morality of his private use of it
>>97010213>>97010220...So, like I stated, his players don't think it's better. Which is clearly why OP is whining about it on 4chan instead of just doing the smart thing and putting together another table whose opinions closer align with his.
>>97010247>dude just leave the group you're in like it's an online game lobbyYeah I can definitely tell you don't have IRL friends just play random games on roll20 that's why you think like this. All you fauxbertarian redditors are the same. "uhhh there's something that you disagree with your friends about...uhhhh .... le GET NEW FRIENDS" typical mindset from subhuman hedonists with no actual human emotions besides pleasure seeking and wish fulfillment. Just kill yourself. You don't actually have human attachments, you just see other people as disposable tools for your enjoyment. Everyone sees right through your fucking bullshit, and everyone knows you're a user. I am so so fucking glad you when you fucking pricks get used and abused and that you go to therapists to talk about why you're so fucking lonely and miserable at 34 because you dropped all your friends over political arguments. You people literally do not believe, and I have seen this shit on this board, that people reach level 20 in D&D, or reach legendary level in other games, because you cannot believe in a group that runs a campaign more than 10 or 15 sessions. Because you cannot fathom not ditching a friend over some minor disagreement by then.You will live a sad miserable life on SSRIs and end it all by your late 40s. And no one will miss you.
>>97007876Then make the autistic player draw the NPC his character talks to. Hand him a pen and printer paper. Problem solvedif it's an online play, make the autistic player upload pictures of what he want.
>>97010304...I said get a new table, not get new friends. Like if his friends are that vocally anti-AI art that they refuse to play the game with it at the table and OP is that stubborn about sticking to AI art despite how much his friends hate it, isn't it logical to just play with someone else rather than continue to have shouting matches over something they refuse to just agree to disagree about? Like just go down to the flgs or game center, advertise that he's running a game, find people who won't throw a shitfit over ai pictures at the table? Like, it's okay to disagree about things with your friends and/or do things separately from them. I have friends who play games like Destiny for hours on end while I hate it, and it hasn't killed any of us yet that I don't like one single thing they do. Like seriously, are you okay anon? Like, mentally? Did you forget to take your meds? Where is all this sudden bitterness coming from? Did your mom's new boyfriend send you to bed without supper?
>>97010304basedcooked that nogames
>>97010365Agreeing with your own post is rather sad, anon
>>97010366>i-it's impossible somebody agreed with a scathing mockery of somebody that says "dude just ditch your long-time table"lol lmao
>>97010385>scathing mockery>someone's autistic screech over redditors because one autist can't handle his table of autists not liking his crappy ai drawings and running to 4chan for asspats instead of being an adult and looking for a compromiseYeah, pretty sure you're the sad fuck who typed that mental emesis
