>>97044676
Surprised by these threads lasting so much

>>97045226
You shouldn't be. It's one anon spamming it

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>>97045369
Your mom is spam

Maybe it ought to be an Occasional Werewolf the Apocalypse? Bonus points if it's made every full moon or a more appropriate lunar phase for these types of discussions.

>>97045493
As long as there is discussion there is no reason it shouldn't continue.

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Did the Garou ever consider creating artificial Garou?

>>97045627
I feel like this just moved discussion away from wodg that we would be having in wodg anyway and is more of a containment server than a real one half the time. I'm not sure there are many anons purely interested in just werewolf
>>97045696
Isn't the idea of being replaced or artificial-made Garou by rites or other incredibly offensive to them? Like even uplifted kinfolk are 2nd class citizens

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So, entertain with me the idea of a furry actually going through First Change and finding xirself a Garou.

Realistic outcome, fun or interesting turns of events, how would you play it, you name it.

>>97045893
>Isn't the idea of being replaced or artificial-made Garou by rites or other incredibly offensive to them?
It's okay if they do it, it's wrong if others do it.

>>97045627
I love to explain werewolf stuff but I dislike artificial threads. Like one guy bumping with useless questions because he's never going to be or run an actual game.

>>97047925
I would figure the reality of wanting to be a dog man and actually being a dog man is very different. That said there's a blurb on furries in the books iirc
>>97048174
Based honestly
>>97048275
likewise

>>97048275
for real, /tg/ could use the "duplicate thread" reports like /mu/ has to limit k-poop spam
not that our fat troon jannies would do anything about it

>>97045696
There were some plot points involving it, but the attempts ended up poorly

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>>97045696
Like dungeon meshi?

>>97048517
>I would figure the reality of wanting to be a dog man and actually being a dog man is very different

Yeah, think playing out reality hitting them like a ton of bricks would be pretty fun to play out

>>97047925
Fun idea with potential for both comedy and drama (or both at the same time). Just imagine explaining to the guy that he’s not supposed to show his crinos form to his fellow furries
>>97048517
Which book is that blurb in?

>>97050873
And just imagine his reaction when they get to the part about how he's not allowed to fuck other werewolves.

>>97051112
He best hope that his sept’s elders think gay sex doesn’t violate the Litany

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>>97044676
I know this is magic and I shouldn't try to find meaning in it.

But I really hate that the Garou lose their fifth toe every time they transform.

>>97050600
Quite right it would be, especially dealing with being an unstable murderball too and the fact that the dog man can't actually do dog man coitus without killing people
>>97050873
W20 has one I believe, but maybe W5 as well
>>97051302
>>97051112
>Furry resorts to say gex because it doesn't violate the litany sometimes
Yeah, this would be a funny character concept as long as it doesn't wear itself thin by being a daily occurrence.
I think the whole
>fucking in Crinos
Might actually make the guy end up a crazy murderhobo sex addict though

>>97052142
He’s a furry, chances are he was already a sex addict before his first change. And probably already gay too. Him being a sex pest towards the sept’s ahrouns could be a funny set up early on. Or for a more serious tale, see him handle the realities of being garou and how bleak their current situation is
>tfw your dreams of being a hot anthro wolf become true only for you to realize that you’re too dangerous to keep your old life and you’re now part of a animist cult fighting a losing war against the embodiment of entropy

>>97045696
In my home game there's a rogue cell of Glasswalkers,
rogue in that they are rejected by the tribe, but not by Cockroach, so they're still technically Gaian,
who have set about spiking IVF clinics with garou seed and eggs to try to cause more lost kin or lost cubs with the hope that, with an internet based information network, they can collect them faster than the enemy can.

>>97052405
That would be kind of funny. I don't see why it'd be limited to only Ahrouns but I can imagine everyone else would tell him off instead of doing some weird fighting/flirting over it
>I can't wait to show all of my friends I can actually turn into a hot anthro wolf guy
>What do you mean I give them genetic ptsd now?
>What do you mean I'm supernaturally compelled to start murdering?
>>97052654
This is pretty kino, I like that idea. Explains too why they're a rogue Glass Walker pack, considering they're basically risking the veil and potential human connections and taking a huge gamble on finding IVF woofs before BSD or Pentex or someone else can

>>97052695
Mostly a joke on the ahrouns being the jocks of garou. But Book of Auspices does mention they tend to just fuck each other because their high rage means it's very difficult for them to find AND keep a date.
>What do you mean I'm supernaturally compelled to start murdering?
Tbf, you can actually learn to control crinos well enough that you don't go into murder mode so easily while you're in it. Changing Ways alludes to having high gnosis to pull that off, but it can't be that hard since most of the art involving woofs doing anything other than fighting have them in crinos form
I think that the "furry who discovers he's garou" works fairly well as an unusual naive newcomer story, all things considered

Since you're all not being retarded, as is our Gaia-Given right, I'd like to announce that the Shadow Lords are the best tribe, bar none. If the Silver Fangs had enough pride to actually accept that they were too ailing to lead, respectfully bowed their heads and TRUSTED the SL, the Garou Nation would be in far better shape. The Apocalypse might even be winnable too.

>>97054007
>Ahroun just get it on with each other because unlike others they understand how angry they get
Missionary and handholding only from what I'm reading here before they get angry and hulk out. Funny joke though
>>97054117
I'm more of a Get enjoyer on aesthetics but Shadow Lord is my most favorite to play, peak edgelords

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Spanish werewolves are awesome.

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>>97054209
I swear I wasn't the one who came up with that. Source is Book of Auspices in the ahroun section

>>97055057
Neat find. I do like that the actual passage is open enough to interpretation where you can "squint" and not see it as the full blown gay relationship that others can interpret
It is pretty damn Greek though, thanks for saucing

>>97055057
Absolutely fucking foul, triply so when you remember that every Garou in a Tribe is related by blood.
Better question is: when the fuck would homo Gayrou get the time to assrape eachother?? Garou live communally, and Packs travel together unless on specific solitary missions.
Pure Wyrmish material, man.

>>97055836
Septs are sometimes blood related distantly because of how rare Garou are yeah but it's a bit weird. Could always get a LTR with a neighboring sept, and it isn't as if Garou spend all their time together. Otherwise when do they get the time to bone or hang out?

>>97055836
You sound a little pent up anon. That's how the wyrm'll get you.

>>97055854
LTR?
>Otherwise when do they get the time to bone or hang out?
They bone (to make more Garou) when the Sept tells them to, no? And with whatever Kinfolk is provided by the leadership. Its not something they're doing for fun unless they're Black Spiral Dancers, which is partly how the Spirals seduce wayward Ronin or lost cubs.
"You want to rape and defile everyone around you? Well, well, well, we got you covered. Women, men, children, animals, other Garou, other Fera? Fuck any and all of them however you please."
Besides, gays have to use enemas and shit and lube (since those holes aren't meant for that) in order to fuck. What Garou even knows what those things are, unless they're either living among humans and therefore in exile, or they're already fucked in teh head and corrupted?
>>97055857
Listen, if you willingly put your penis where poop comes from, or willingly let another Garou put his penis where your poop is, then you are on the fast track to the Wyrm anyways.

>>97055878
You seem a little laser-focused and knowledgeable about this anon.

>>97055905
I've been on the internet long enough to hear the horror stories. And the idea that WW put that shit in WtA hurts my heart and mind. Potent SAN damage.

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>>97055878
Okay, I've now decided that I'm going to run a W5 chronicle for some furries on my discord server where I will allow them to do non-murder shit in Crinos and has a long leash from the Sept just because of how retarded your version is. You brought this on yourself.

>>97055878
LTR is a long term relationship though now that I realize it I meant long distance, and no most Garou don't bone when the sept says they do unless it's a particularly strict sept comprised of silver fangs or something. Depends on the traditionalism of the sept.
And yes, Garou do sex for fun and other stuff, there's even rites for it. As for the Greek thing, they probably mean more erotic cuddling, making out, and thigh-fucking than full blown homo. Who knows though, they have healing abilities and they probably rawdog it
Yes, Garou know what those things are, they're pretty modern outside of Red Talons
May be a bit Wyrmish but Garou don't live in a backwater, they're just more focused on Gaia than anything else

>>97055913
You're thin-skinned

>>97055913
Wait till you see the shit in VtM if you think this is degenerate, WoD has always pretty much used some erotic shit to highlight how fucked everything and everyone is
>Ahrouns find it hard to hold down non-Garou (typically same sex because Metis) relationship because they're assmad all day
>Not even their fault

>>97055939
Please. You know ahroun bros like to have a good jack off sesh with said bros if they were successful in a fight. It's a nice wind down to the blood lust.

>>97055939
>most Garou don't bone when the sept says they do
Isn't this how the Sept keeps the blood clean and fit? So that a Garou doesn't bang some deformed or sickly Kinfolk on a whim, and produce a poor-quality Garou. This is what the Apis used to do for the Garou, until the Wars of Rage, and now Garou have to do it themselves. I don't see why the Garou would throw it away, when they assumed ever role of the Fera that they defeated in the War.
>Yes, Garou know what those things are
Would they though? They're usually the children of Kinfolk, who maintain a fairly insular parallel culture to humans, and Kinfolk would probably not want their children to be exposed to that kind of stuff. Then on First Change, they are taken to be molded into efficient and focused warriors that travel nomadically with their Pack, or on specific missions from their Sept to fight the Wyrm. And spend the rest of the time training or making arms and armor.
Putting aside lost cubs who may or may not be exposed to that either by abuse, or by learning about it from the internet, and Ronin who deliberately immerse themselves in human sexual culture, I'm not sure they WOULD know any of that stuff, or at least much about it.

>>97055943
Well yeah, but vampires are generally bad people. In fact, most Clans Embrace bad people specifically, barring a very rare few Clans like the Salubri who basically don't exist anymore. And also they're undead monsters, so I'd expect them to be extremely degenerate.

>>97055944
Why would they?

>>97055960
I've only read W20 and W5 but I have no idea where you're getting most of this shit.

>>97055963
From his ass.

>>97055960
They're not banned from doing anything that feels good. What the fuck are you doing? It sounds like you want them to be furry Space Marines in the present, but also resent them for it.

>>97055963
Well, for one, the White Howlers lost control of their Kinfolk, and were destroyed because of it, in part(the other part being their doomed final charge into the Labyrinth). And secondly, the Apis used to maintain the blood against infirmity, and now that they're gone, the Garou have to.

Or do you mean the stuff about the Garou spending their time being warriors instead of dicking around.

>catpcha: ARD0HN
That's gotta mean something....

>>97055968
>They're not banned from doing anything that feels good.
Never said they were! Just that they're soldiers with a religious duty, and their entire life is controlled by that duty. Their enemy never, ever sleeps, and it is always looking for them. There's not enough of them to go around for them to be indulging in human wastes of time when the Wyrm is always growing stronger.
>but also resent them for it.
Are you kidding? I love that part of them, the mighty spiritual warrior. The tragic heroism, the doomed fight against all odds, the brotherhood and the fact that they are born with purpose. It's the perfect contrast to humanity.

>>97055960
>Blood Clean and Fit
Purely a Silver Fang concept, most Garou don't actually care and it's hard to pick up genetic imperfections as Garou, only Bone Gnawers by nature of being the castoff caste have more of a mongrol look during transformations.
Key word
>Until the War of Rage
They kind of learned their lessons.
>Kinfolk fairly insular parallel culture
They still need to interface with humanity and you can't do that without knowing all that stuff, the pretty key part that WtA makes is that despite being not truly "human" Garou still have human feelings and connections.
WoD overall is a bit freaky-deeky
>>97055971
They suicide charged into the Wyrm and then their kinfolk got picked up by other tribes in their absence.
Again
>Spending their time being warriors
Quite literally can't fight 24/7 even as a Garou, still need to
>sleep
>eat
>socialize or go crazy
It's not that crazy no life allowed outside of cult type of cult

>>97055971
>>97055983
I really think you two are confusing Garou with Space Marines. You’re romanticizing a kind of monastic warrior fatalism that isn’t what the Garou tragedy actually is. Their tragedy is that they want human ties and can’t keep them, not that they transcend humanity. Losing the man is just as bad as losing the wolf; if Gaia wanted that, she probably would have only made lupus garou!

You’re literally describing what the Garou become when they’re collapsing into Wyrm taint.

>>97055983
>life is controlled by that Duty
The extent to which a sept is devoted to the litany and the whole muh Gaia shit is determined by the Elders and the Philodoxes, there's plenty of progressives who actually tried learning lessons from multiple millennia of Garou Ls

>>97055989
I can't believe you would say that to me, you are literally raping me. And LUPUS? You know how problematic forms are. MODS, MODS! PROBLEMATIC! WE NEED A BAN RIGHT NOW! IT'S AGAINST PARADOX CUSTOMS AND DEI CULTURE!!

A true Garou sleeps on his girlfriend's couch, beats her half to death when they fuck every nine months for reproduction only, only talks to humans to kill them, and battles the Wyrm at all times, in all ways, at all costs. Deal with it or GTFO my hobby troony

>>97055989
I think Garou are both le tragic human-likes who want and need humanity but struggle to keep them and doomed monastic warriors, it's just that both can co-exist and cause each other to happen

>>97056000
There's nothing monastic about them. There's spirituality and mysticism nut no monasticism

>>97055998
>sleeps on girlFRIEND's couch
>not being a harem chud of unrelated female breeding slaves
Real talk though that type of Garou is probably going to get killed by someone else when they mistreat their cousin/daughter/sister

>>97056006
>Kinfolk trying to rise against Garou masters
fukken lol, and don't try to say a Garou relative would fuck him up for it. Why would he deprive Gaia of a warrior against the Wyrm?

>>97056004
I guess doomed spirit samurai is more apt then

>>97055985
>most Garou don't actually care
Well that's what makes their fate grim today. They're becoming lost, confused, distracted, and slowly rotting away from within. The Wyrm IS winning, and the Black Spiral spins wider and wider.
>They kind of learned their lessons.
And the lesson was that they needed the Apis to keep themselves pure and fit. Lose that, and the rot starts to set in.
>They still need to interface with humanity and you can't do that without knowing all that stuff
The KINFOLK do. The Garou, not as much, unless their missions require lots of infiltration. Do Garou really need to know what a fucking credit score is? Or what butt lube is? No, their job is to fight the Wyrm wherever it lays.
>It's not that crazy no life allowed outside of cult type of cult
The Nation literally is a cult, and that's a good thing. The Garou "having a life" means the Wyrm is being given time to grow and breathe and swell in power EVEN further.
Do Garou indulge in human vices, and even stuff themslves with human indulgences? Yes, sometimes.
SHOULD they be, and is it a good sign for the Nation? No, not at all. It's a sign of the approach of the Apocalypse that so many young Garou are becoming unfit, flabby, cowardly, and obsessed with humanity.
>>97055989
>Their tragedy is that they want human ties
Garou aren't human. This is DOUBLY true for Lupus Garou who, in their true form, are absolutely not human beings. A Garou being obsessed with humans to the degree it damages his or her ability to fight the Wyrm is swiftly becoming corrupted.
>I really think you two
oh it's not two, it's just me, one guy. Those two replies anyways.

>>97056009
>Warrior is a piece of shit to his family
>Warrior is probably going to end up wyrm taint because he has no respect for life
You can see the logic there, Garou do care about kinfolk except for Glass Walkers I suppose

>>97056009
Because he's being a shithead and hurting the pack/tribe/sept by causing distress. Not surprising you don't grasp that with how you view 'em

>>97056000
This is true, they do co-exist in the same setting. What I'm saying is that becoming human-like is not a good thing for the Garou, if it means "becoming like the modern, sickly, Wyrm and Weaver tainted humans".
And yes, "modern" means post-agriculture. WtA is Deep Time.

>>97056015
I think you've got that spoiler flipped. Reds, Silvers, Get, and Shadows care the least.
>inb4 tribe book
I too take gonzo lore at face value.

>>97055998
Why would a Garou have a girlfriend? Why would he waste time beating her when he can just 360 degree turn and leave?

>>97056016
What distress? All garou behave exactly that way, you moron. Did you even read the real books, or just OPP/Paradox wokeslop?

>>97056014
Don't take credit for my posts. I'm >>97055983 and >>97055998 and >>97056009

Am I the only manborn man that's read these books?

>>97056014
>Some Silver Fang Elders actually believe this
This sort of schizophrenic delusional adherence to the "Litany" and "Mission" is how the Garou ended up in the War of Rage and losing to begin with
>Mighty Warrior of Gaia walks up to Shoe Factory and Hulks out without doing legwork
>Thousands out of work and contribute more to corruption elsewhere
>Werewolf hunters rise up because of delirium effects
>Pentex gets involved
>More dead Garou, destroyed Caern, corrupt Spirits
It's literal retardation. How are you going to compete with Mechas, tanks, artillery, without guns or modern equipment? You literally CANNOT solve everything with
>I go transform into Crinos and start murdering
At some point a Garou gasses out

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>>97056015
I also find it odd that people would think Kinfolk would have the exact same perspective on sex and procreation we humans might. In all likelihood, as their society has since before the dawn of agriculture, the Kinfolk would think nothing of giving their bodies to their Garou warriors (since the Garou and Kin are both One Nation), not for love but to create more Garou warriors.
>>97056026
pic rel. You are not all three of those. I literally JUST typed the first reply lol.

>>97056024
I though Red Talon loved their kinfolk in the way wolves do or something, Get as well. Silvers and Shadow Lords are le
>Total Gaian Supremacy
Tribes so it makes sense though

>>97056035
Kinfolk go to human schools and shit, they have human friends, most kinfolk aren't even properly "inducted" into Garou politics and the muh Gaia shit, they just have a weird freeloader relative who shows up with bullet wounds

>>97056032
> is how the Garou ended up in the War of Rage
The Wyrm, via Vinata, literally caused the War of Rage. Read up on it. The Nagah even knew about it and hid the truth from everyone.
As for the rest of your post: where did I say that Garou would win by aimlessly murdering? My whole point is that they need to spend so much time carefully calculating their strikes and planning and strategizing and training for missions, and have to be clever about their use of force, that they don't have TIME to fuck around partying or whatever.
Their enemy is more powerful and ever-present than ever, and they must fight as though their lives depend on it every single day, and then some, because their FAMILY depends on it.

>>97056038
Red talons love their LUPUS kinfolk. They hate humans the most. Get are not giving the time of day to kin unless they can stand on their own feet. Fucking hit those books again. You sound like the fool hat spams about the garou being only tardage machines

ITT one schizo autist and his alternate personality argue with the rest of the internet about something that was never written in any WtA book by any publisher

>>97056042
Maybe with Glass Walkers. But I have a hard time believing that's true. Even Bone Gnawers have Kin all amongst the homeless, though how fit their stock is, is....questionable. I personally think the Gnawers are on their way to meeting a terrible fate. So saturated with filth and the power of the Wyrm that it takes only a little nudge to drag them into destruction. But that's just me personally.
I find it hard to believe, and don't recall anything in the books (but I'm not perfect and dont have them all memorized) that any Kinfolk are OBLIVIOUS to the Nation, unless they are explicitly lost, and therefore are not "normal" Kinfolk.
>>97056052
>Red talons love their LUPUS kinfolk
The Talons ONLY have Lupus kin, silly.

>>97056052
Get don't accept kinfolk that can't hold their own though but the books say they're actually a pretty good community, if they can

>be kinfolk
>spend life being treated like shit
>be way too young when Uncle Jerry tells me I need to beat my mom and give in to anger all the time
>internalize that as wrong and him as a deranged faggot
>have my First Change
>get everything explained to me
>leave and become a Ronin because Uncle Jerry is clearly the bad guy here
>fall to the Wyrm
Good job, Jerry, you fucking dipshit, we lost another one.

>>97056055
It's just me. I started this fight because of an abhorrent lore snippet about homo GAYrou. Then it turned into arguing about whether or not Garou would spend time on human vices or in trying to live a "human" life, while Pentex ever hungers and the legions of fomori are always looking for them, and their duties become harder and require more time and effort than ever.
I think they wouldn't. Others argue that it makes the Garou flat and uninteresting. But I say, they CAN try to live like humans, but it's a sad life, an untrue existence, and leads to corruption (remember, the Wyrm's power is not just in radioactive sewage, but sitting on store shelves EVERYWHERE).

>>97056064
>Uncle Jerry tells me I need to beat my mom
Literally the only werewolves that do this are the Black Spirals.

>>97056064
>not beating Jerry's ass like he deserves
You just kno Jerry's a butthurt little bro that felt slighted when big sis teased him

>>97056065
I think that mentality is why the Garou are losing and the game has, since W20, been about a new generation trying to find a better way. I don't agree with your ideas on what constitutes vice or degeneracy, and I think your vision of the game is only really good for arguing on the internet and jacking off to power fantasies.

>>97056073
There's lots of reasons why garou continue to lose ground in w20. That anon unfortunately is fully up his own ass jacking it to the imagined deathspiral

>>97056065
Garou are not perpetual motion machines, they literally can't fight the Wyrm 24/7 or they become deranged frenzy ragetards or depressed autists
>>97056064
Garou outright being abusive is typically rare because of the risk of alienating kinfolk, at most you'd just get snubbed when you ask to go to college

>>97056068
Pretty sure Silver Fangs and Get of Fenris encourage supremacy over kinfolk too.

>>97056073
I disagree. A game about Garou meticulously planning and training for, and going on side quests to prepare for, a large mission against a powerful hub of the Wyrm is awesome.
>been about a new generation trying to find a better way
Well let's leave aside the fact that WW has a very clear bias, and focus only on the in-universe stuff.
What is this "better way"? Because it definitely isn't "redouble and shore up our campaign against the Wyrm and dedicate ourselves even more faithfully to this War we were CREATED to wage.
And the Wyrm STILL grows stronger, even as more and more Garou break from the Nation and get lost, and divided, and picked off nice and neat by the Enemy.
>>97056079
>they literally can't fight the Wyrm 24/7
I never said they could. Just that their life is dedicated to that constant war. They go from battle to battle. Down-time is training, recuperating, and preparing for the next battle. And it only gets harder and harder and the time between the battles gets shorter and shorter. That's why quite a few young Garou are breaking. But besides fighting even more carefully and with even greater precision, and reaching out to the other Fera to try to form a united force, the only other option is to give up and spit in Gaia's face and lie down to either die or join the Wyrm (or Weaver).
It's a tragic situation, but a glimmer of hope, if the whole of the Fera can be rallied again, they might be able to throw down Pentex and start finally chopping down the heads of the Hydra, with one globally coordinated force.
But who knows if that's possible...

>>97056084
>Be Get
>Already about as autistic as they come about "muh Strength" faggotry
>Meet hot chick who can lift and she's got mental fortitude and stuff
>still treat your GF like shit because she's just not Garou and can't do it
>GF leaves because you're already irredeemably autistic but at least you humored her hobbies
>Get mad and crash out
Why would the Gets do this?

This thread made me understand Hauglosk. I love W5 now.

>>97056084
Why do you automatically think that someone being higher in a hierarchy (the purpose the Garou Nation, and thus the Kinfolk, is to further the fight against the Wyrm, so of course the "teeth" are higher in rank than the "tail") automatically means "they random beat me"? The Garou are like the Head of the Household of the Nation. The Kin, like their children. Not literally speaking, but that's the dynamic. Just like a real wolf pack.
>>97056095
Constantly repeating that hte Garou have girlfriends and randomly abuse them doesn't make it true. The ONLY werewolves that regularly abuse their kinfolk are the Black Spirals.

>>97056095
Gotta keep looking out for #1. Always train. If you aren't strong you're kin at best. Some day senpai will see how strong you are and abandon that bitch of a wife for you.
senpai may or may not be consistent but the strength thing is

>>97056103
Exactly. We don't abuse them, we just don't coddle them with SJW shit like empathy and boundaries.

Maybe if more pups understood, we could truly go to war like the Enemy deserves...

>>97056110
What? Are you baiting?

>>97056093
>recuperating
What the fuck do you think they're doing?
You've also got a pretty fucked perspective on the scale of the thing, the Garou pretty much just
>protect their territory
>occasionally fight wyrm encroachment
>sometimes coordinate for big Wyrm projects
They aren't literally targeting a megaplex Oil Rig every single month because they aren't retarded and know they don't have the resources for that shit

>>97056112
He is. He's that dickhead shit stirrer from the general. The one that made this thread as a "containment."

>>97056103
I'm poking fun at the idea of a Get getting a GF and then acting even more autistic than usual considering the Get's qualifications are already retarded
>>97056107
Gets would probably die out if it was just Yandere simulator for both genders

>>97056110
This is a discussion thread all "RP" is on the ironic discussion side

>>97056121
>>97056127
Retard Onyx Path dickriders.

>>97056114
>What the fuck do you think they're doing?
Eat, sleep, purge Wyrm taint from their last battle. Maintain their weapons. Regain spiritual vitality. Heal physical wounds.
After that process, begin training for their next battle. The Wyrm never, ever sleeps.
>They aren't literally targeting a megaplex Oil Rig every single month
Why wouldn't they be? The Wyrm is always, always seeking and hunting them. It never tires, never rests. It's every ounce of power is bent over corrupting the whole world, and the Garou Nation is in its sights, at all times.
Really think about it. The Garou essentially live in one long, looooong War. They exist in a perpetual warzone, now more than EVER. In that situation, anything less that constantly doing your duty is going to be voluntarily allowing your enemy to win.
>know they don't have the resources for that shit
Why do you think the Kin are so important? THEY provide the resources, and the "ear to the ground". The KIN should be tirelessly working too to produce weapons, armor, and food to feed the "teeth" of the Nation.
That's why a Kinfolk poorly maintained is the DEATH of a Tribe. If the kinfolk become lazy and fat and weak, then the Garou they produce, because they RAISE them often, will be weak and cowardly too.

>>97056121
Aw man, I just wanna have a classic argument about a thing I like with other people who like that thing.

>>97056152
I know. It's tough but it can happen. At least you spotted that it was bait.

>>97056152
>>97056154
It's kind of sad WtA is fun to talk about partially on how divisive it is but it kind of ends up bait from people that don't really read the books

>>97056156
Damnit I had a whole long response typed up, but my screen freaked out and I lost it. WEll, I'll summarize it then:
My position is divisive, and probably not wholly supported by the ENTIRETY of the lore, but what position IS? The series is so long-running that its contradicted and retconned itself a hundred times over.
I suppose, if anything can be said, I sympathize strongly with the Silver Fang, Get, and the other "traditionalist" Tribes (except the Talons, they are insane).
But I won't say that Garou DON'T try to live like humans. Just that they shouldn't, and its destroying them slowly, since HUMANS in WoD aren't living good, healthy lives.

>>97056171
>its destroying them slowly
>when there's actual outside factors doing it
Have you just tried the idea of balancing all three. The garou are a synergy of man and gorgon-adjacent wolf. Being less human will make them even more insane. Being more human would help them but wyldlings love to act as if it's the dark ages.

>>97056184
If the world were any different, maaaaybe. But trying to live like a human will inevitably expose you to the power of the Wyrm and Weaver, unless you live innawoods. And also, it exposes you far more easily for a fomor to sneak up on you and tear your heart out from your urethra.

>>97056188
>>97056171
The point of WtA, which it hammers into you 99 billion times is balance
>Balance between the Litany and new Perspective
>Balance between being a spirit faggot and a materialist
>Balance between the wolf and the man
>Balance between humanity and the duty to Gaia
Everything going wrong is because of shit going out of balance

>>97056212
Well, you are correct, everything is out of balance. But my point is that either way, the Nation is doomed, the Apocalypse is inevitable, and the final day of fate approaches.
Son in the meantime, do the Garou fight to the last, or do they indulge in pleasure and distractions?
I think, that with constant vigilance, a keeping to the old ways, and being smart and clever in the fight against the Wyrm, that before the last day, they can rally the Nation, rally the Fera, and make for one last battle the likes of which the world has never SEEN.
I believe the best parts of the Garou are their heroism in that respect. Standing tall in the face of certain death, and not buckling one inch.

>>97056222
Stop projecting w20's toj onto w5

>>97056229
W5 is a dumpster fire, and I do not recognize its existence. Sorry.

>>97056222
>guys that genocided your ancestors roll up
>we're EXACTLY like the people that genocided your ancestors, we keep to the old ways and never give an inch!
>now come have a suicidal last stand with us, or else you're tainted and we have to genocide you!

>>97056058
The issue with Get is that they're said to be all controlling. They're the type that actually have weirdo compounds for their kinfolk, and if you want out all you have to do is prove yourself by getting your arm broken by Uncle Fucks-Up-Kin.

>>97056065
I think you should read the books instead of arguing your headcanon.

>>97056147
Are you the guy that kept saying Lilith refuses to ascend out of spite for God, too?

>>97055057
>posts little lore tidbit about garou doing “greek love”
>one anon crashes out and starts a heated debate over if this should cause garou to fall to the Wyrm and how often they abuse kinfolk

I don’t know if I should feel proud or ashamed for starting this
>>97055142
I think that’s the point, some woofs prefer gay relationships because that way they can enjoy bedding someone who can actually handle them at their worst. There’s even a sidebar right after this paragraph saying that this isn’t an universal thing and some ahroun do have healthy straight relationships with kinfolk

>>97056000
This is one of the things I like about werewolf. You can tell multiple types of story with it and focus on different elements of the setting. Although on it's surface it's just the back of a metal album, werewolves rip and tear cosmic evil, you can also tell quite complex multi theme stories with it.

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>>97057527
>Although on it's surface it's just the back of a metal album

>>97057527
First wod splat?

>>97057691
It's what got me into ttrpgs yes, but I played around with most of them. There is a reason that WoD and its successors have staying power despite having the IP be hilariously mismanaged for years.

>>97057691
It was mine as well

>>97056232
People don't give a fuck about their ancestors anywhere near as much as you want to believe.

>>97058773
It's more so the principle that they killed s lot of humans before and basically haven't changed much even though they have

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>>97058804
I'd like to see anyone here reject the idea that their ancestors murdered lots of humans.

And for those who accept that fact, I'd like to see them wholeheartedly condemn and apologise for the actions of their ancestors and offer reparations for the actions of their ancestors.

>>97058881
I hope she makes more Manga, genuinely impeccable taste
>>97058928
Humans killing humans for relatable reasons like territory or resources is okay, Alien Parasite species (Garou) culling humanity like some sick shit out of that monument carving for a nebulous purpose most of us can never understand like "Gaia" and "fighting the Wyrm" is pretty much something no one will ever believe or really tolerate with it being shown the actual corpo hell Pentex is, which the Garou are largely unable to do behind layers of propaganda and disbelief in religious dogmen conservationists

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>>97045696
Would WtA and Kouya ni Kemono Doukokusu cross over well?

>>97056004

>Stargazers have entered the chat

>>97058928
>>97058804
>>97058773
Who's talking about humans? I mean the other Fera. He wants them to team up with the Garou despite them proudly being the same fuckers as the ones that did the War of Rage.

>>97062577
>despite them proudly being the same fuckers as the ones that did the War of Rage.
First, the War of Rage was several thousand years ago, there's over a hundred generations separating modern day Garou from the Garou responsible for the War of Rage.
Second, just like the Impergium, the vast majority of modern Garou look back on the War of Rage with regret and guilt and consider it one of the biggest mistakes that the Garou have ever made.

/tg/'s habit of treating the Garou like a monolithic hive-mind that transcends time and space is really weird.

>>97062631
It's not just /tg/. Any time discussion come up in any place I've visited people act as if all Garou are responsible for poorly understood events which happened in prehistory.

The WoD community have a hateboner for werewolves.

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I find it curious that the Garou won the war against the other Fera thanks to their numerical superiority, but at the same time have so much trouble reproducing; it seems contradictory.
Do the others have even worse reproduction problems?

>>97064050
I always understood it as fewer people becoming werewolves overtime. The reasons for this left to the storyteller. Maybe Gaia is turning away from them or as the world becomes more spiritually polluted their ability to reproduce is affected. Lots of reason you can go for and it fits WoDs theme of thing becoming more secretive and grey in modern days compared to history.

>>97064050
>>97064087
I thought these guys won because they could actually coordinate as a pack instead of being a solo 1v1 warrior like all the other Fera
>>97064087
This too but it's because 12kish Garou relative to 20 million humans is reasonable, relative to 8 billion humans is like a drop in the ocean I still think the numbers for woofs and vampires are bullshit, seeing as hell there's always as many as the story needs may as well be more generous. 1 per 10k people is still basically nothing

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The Simba should be the protagonists.

>>97066977
I guess the authors weren’t cat people

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>>97066977
Honestly, I don't like werelions; it's hard to make their manes look good.

That's why I prefer balam.

>>97062631
>>97063716
People bring up the War of Rage so continuously because most of the surviving Fera still remember it like it was yesterday and have NOT forgiven the Garou for it.

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>>97069872
I think the image of the werewolf as the ultimate beast-man is due to its appearance.
The elongated snout really gives it a supernatural touch.

>>97044676
How would you translate the perfect Métis concept into the edition with no Métis, a chosen one for the Black Spiral Dancers?

>>97074446
A Garou with no Rage, only cold calculating will and the intelligence to use other wolves' Rage against them. Doesn't get hurt by silver either since that comes with the Rage.

>>97070200
Except for all of the ones that have. The Silent Striders and Red Talons have even started an inter-Fera coalition that encompasses all of Africa and the Beast Courts harbour multiple tribes of Garou.

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>>97069872
That's not a Balam, it's just King from Tekken.

>>97070200
It's prehistory. Every Fera except the ones who could be classed as legends are long dead since the war of rage. I imagine you could count the number of Fera who survived the time around the WoR and are still around somehow into the modern day on a single hand, and most of them will be werewolves. Maybe the bears have a few more due to gifts around hibernation.

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>>97079395
Man, this was a good manga. Too bad the main character was kind of boring

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>>97044676
I remember reading in a WoD thread ages ago about a guy theory crafting the most degenerate character concept ever. It was a female garou who with the use of special mechanics and abilities, would gain honour by getting pregnant and giving birth. But due to her add ons she could do it insanely quickly and she was just this breed hungry sex machine constantly pumping out garou and kinfolk. What would the mechanics be that would get that result?

>>97082644
Kek what the fuck

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>>97082644
>It was a female garou who with the use of special mechanics and abilities, would gain honour by getting pregnant and giving birth. But due to her add ons she could do it insanely quickly and she was just this breed hungry sex machine constantly pumping out garou and kinfolk
She is a heroine to the entire Garou species.

>>97082187
>Some anons(male) would make out with this(male)

>>97044676
>>97044676
who here wants to play a game? We could meet over Discord. I'll run a one off if we get enough people.

>>97085864
>Actually play WtA
Based but you'd get better numbers from the main thread

>>97078608
I could just be being retarded but I got the impression that there were Gurahl from the War of Rage times hibernating in the Umbra.

>>97090110
If I recall, it's hinted at but never confirmed so that story tellers have a hook they can use or ignore depending on their game.

Hey there anons, currently commissioning an artist I go to a bunch to draw a Garou emerging from a mirror. Anybody got any good references or descriptions of how they imagine sidestepping to work, besides the HtP scene?

>>97092823
Consult the books? I think they have a couple of examples like how Glass Walkers pop out of windows

This threads pisses me off, one because it's full of misinformation, two, because the effort it would take me to correct tracking quotes from multiple books it is just not worthy and three because it would help the guy artificially keeping it alive.

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>>97093413
Do you realize how ironic it is that you're keeping this thread alive with your complaints?

>>97094545
This image is incredible, source?

>>97085338
Yes.

>>97094545
There's this little trick to avoid bumping shitty threads....

>>97092823
There's one in the 2e core's comic, Legacy Rite, if you happen to have the book. Also in a number of opener comics to the original tribebook series; Silent Striders comes to mind.

>>97104291
Retard.

>>97093413
That's a lot of seethe to tell us quite literally nothing of value.

>>97078608
Many of the older Mokole still recall the War of Rage like it happened just yesterday. It's why their distaste for the Garou has never embedded.

>>97112789
*ebbed.

>>97112789
Except for the African ones which proudly fight alongside the Silent Striders and Red Talons as a part of the Ahadi.

>>97112970
Those guys are weird. They'll never not be weird.

>>97112789
Imagine being so long lived that every atrocity a certain group has committed is within living memory? That type of stuff would cause some real fucked up people to manifest normally
>>97112970
Isn't the situation really bad in Africa with vampires and other spooks?

>>97064050
As the other anon said, it was broadly down to pack coordination. Numbers only did so much, but the Garou are better suited as a pack unit than pretty much all the other Fera even if many like the Gurahl or Mokole could kill individual Garou or even packs pretty easily, they'd get dogpiled and murdered by septs sooner or later.

As for keeping up numbers - ironically, the other Fera had fewer issues there depending on which of the breeds you're talking about. Just more proof Gaia made the Garou wrong.

I have a collection of softcover WTA anthology stories that are quickly turning to dust, is there any way to preserve them?

>>97115734
That's not relevant to the Ahadi, who unified due to a particular monstrous Bastet warlord called Black Tooth, responsible for the nearly complete genocide of the were-hyenas in the 20th century.

So not only are a lot of the Fera capable of forgiving the War of Rage, but some Fera today are just as bad as the Garou were ten thousand years ago.

>>97117378
Perhaps if they spent more time wooing the kinfolk and less time getting killed trying to kill factory workers they wouldn't be having a woof shortage

>>97118367
Reality is that it's likely all the fera were to blame for the war of rage in some capacity and acted in indefensible ways. It's just that the werewolves won, or at the very least came out of it with the least amount of causalities. It's the World of Darkness, everyone sucks.

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It's not the Garou's fault, it's Gaia's fault for speaking in a mossy and riddle-like manner.

>>97122217
The Bunyip did LITERALLY nothing wrong.

>>97123225
They did a weird ass ritual to become marsupials and did a piss poor job explaining themselves.

>>97123225
Note in aborigine mythology Bunyip is most commonly translated as evil spirit/ demon and their legends are about them eating babies and pregnant women in the night. Now ask yourself if they really did nothing wrong.

>>97126327
What was with oWoD and making Native Tribes have cannibal totems so often?

>>97126346
It was a time before the widely available internet or the diffusion of cultural understanding. Made by a bunch of young adults who focused on the vibe they were creating.

They didn't mean any harm they probably just looked up what was some of the monsters in these cultures they barely understood and didn't realise the connotations they were making. Werewolf was one of the first RPGs to really include native characters or the ideas of shamanism. It's remembered fondly by some for that, even if they did it in a bit of a backhanded way.

>>97126346
>>97126408
It's kind of based, but also before Natives became national pets they were understood to be relatively also kind of barbaric

When are we going to get a Vampire: the Masquerade general?

>>97129784
We already have wod despite a shithead's attempts

>>97117753
You might want to ask >>>/lit/ .

>>97117753
I've only ever used a proper scanner so unless you have a print shop near you that offers scanning service I'd say try this program;
https://scanpapyrus.com/
It auto corrects all the usual issues when it comes to photoing pages.

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>>97132012
Oh my beautiful silver fangs... what the hell happened to them?

>>97133530
>When you go below Pure Breed 3

>>97134388
Maintaining the purity of the race is difficult when you can't even mate with members of your own species.

>>97139251
Let this thread die a natural death, bumpfag. Thread necromancy is bad enough already,

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>>97139267
>bumpfag
>He also bumping with his post.

Lads, there’s only one way to kill this thread for good: by making it hit the bump limit

So spam it with your favorite WtA art until it’s dead

What is this? The retarded low iq himbo splat gets its own general? Doesn’t seem natural. Did you all get bit by radioactive “no homo” gymbros or something? Only beefy masc4masc types play this shit.

>>97142900
Anon don’t make me horny. I can’t afford to be horny right now.

>>97142812
But then some autistic nigga would find an excuse to post a new thread
>>97142900
What about the guys that just want to fuck wolfpeople of either sex?

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>>97142812
Ok, Look at this shadow lord, he's cool

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>>97142812
I hate to say anons, I know W5 lacks the tits per page factor of older editions but it has some very good art

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>>97145794
They are better than the others.

>>97142900
You don't need to convince me of the thread being good, anon. I already know.

>>97145816
That art was specifically done by a guest artist, 90% of the art in that book is generic, soulless trash photo-bashed together by someone with as much creativity as the AI that's stealing his job.

>>97149833
This is quite tragic

>>97149833
is it so bad?

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>>97153870
Do anons prefer more woofs with bulging musculature or woofs with bulky fur?
>>97153600
After passing through it, some of the art is S-tier great and the others are kind of the lazy shit the anon above me is posting. So yeah, compared to W20 and older editions it is quite so bad. Furry commission artists like Taran Fiddler aren't even that expensive for a big company like Paradox

>>97153878
Okay but this one is more referential and less outright tracing. I understand what they're going for with an idea that WoD should reflect the real world, but it's also kind of gay to be so lazy with art

>>97153891
I like musculature being apparent. It can be blended nicely with fat but it should be obvious with just simple movement that there's muscle

>>97153963
I don't know personally, I feel like fluffier Garou are less overt fetishism and more aesthetic to look at, but I see your point. I thought the Earthblood Garou model was pretty cool though, just a bit too heavy on the muscles

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>>97149833
All of the V5 books are like those. Art on the vampire book is just as bad if not worse. Completely soullsess

>>97153891
Both can be good, but I'm biased towards the fluffier end
>>97153901
>>97157720
The WoD IP as a whole is under management of old VtM LARPers from Sweden, likely because they were at Paradox' backyard when they purchase White Wolf (no idea if they still are after WW was rebuilt earlier this year). It's very likely a matter of their personal tastes deciding what kind of art goes in the books

>>97158196
Why do scandis ruin everything they touch that is not practical woodworking?

>>97158232
Chronic depression from lack of sunlight most of the year, maybe?

>>97153600
The other anons are underselling how bad the tracing is. There was a huge controversy surrounding it in the community when an early leak happened.

If I recall, even the front cover is 50% traced. If W5 were to be released today I would fully expect it to be full of AI slop.

>>97159522
Was it the same for H5 and V5? Now I'm kind of curious if any modern DnD art is traced

>>97160551
It’s much easier to trace for an urban fantasy game like WoD because pictures of edgy modern people are everywhere already.

>>97160551
There were complaints about it in multiple V5 sourcebooks. Don't know about H5 but because they use the same artists frequently and just seem to ignore the proof of the ones who copy artwork. I imagine it happened with that too. The W5 corebook was particularly egregious with traces being found for most of the character creation section. Alongside a lot of mediocre photobashing for the interior artwork.

I get that artists have tight deadlines and a lot to produce for a project like an RPG sourcebook, and tracing is a controversial topic in art circles, but it also came on the back of the project leads shitting on older WtA artwork and refusing to get those artists back again. The minimal effort which seemed to be on display for what should be a flagship title for 5th edition boded extremely poorly for the future of the line. Furthermore when exposed they didn't revise the artwork they went ahead with the release.

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>>97161049
It was even done for W5's front cover.

>>97161185
Alright, I'll give you that. Even if it is a sick ass front cover. I've never vibed with WW's excessive use of weird fonts though, makes the books hard to read I really want to like the front cover though, it's got cool art direction. If we want to go kind of meta though I think there's unfortunately not that many semi-realistic portrayals of factory layouts possible that won't look traced sadly, though that's no excuse for the laziness of it
>>97161049
These guys have never heard of using different artists? I guess making art in black and white is a lot easier though. Maybe this is just further proof of Paradox/modern WW being lazy and dispassionate over the IP.

>>97159522
Well, that's bad.

>>97153891
I enjoy both, but I definitely lean towards the former.

>>97167345
That's fair enough, I turned around on it with Earthblood. Game was bad but had cool Garou

>>97044676
awwwoooo!

> Get Wta V5 book
>Look inside
>Jonas Albrecht is now a senile old man consumed by harano that adopted a spunky young black woman to be the new queen of the werewolves
Why is it always with niggers and women with this people

>>97161185
Honestly the cover example is pretty reasonable to my eyes, if you want a generic industrial facility you may as well copy a real one. It's when they do it for the more deliberately creative subjects like characters and such that annoys me.

>>97169632
Cool

>>97171636
Denigrating, humiliating, and slandering White men is basically a mark of faith for them.

>>97168786
I have to wonder how much SFM porn people ended up making using that model...

>>97176701
It wasn't a popular game so I don't know how much but I think not a lot. It's also really hard to tell from the Skyrim Werewolf at a glance

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>>97178354
>Metis cub
Born to be hated

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Okay, Garou critics, what do you think a perfect Garou should be like?

>>97181287
Homid or Lupus?

>>97183749
Both

>>97180155
Leave him alone, it's not his fault his parents broke the Litany

>>97180155
But what if he were a perfect Metis?

>>97184319
He's going to be some degenerate's excuse to break the Litany at no consequence when he comes of age. He's going to end up a Spiral Dancer from all the emotional cucking anyway, never mind the mental illness.
>>97184605
>Perfect Metis
Myth, never happening. Been waiting so many years I can only assume it was a drug fueled hallucination.

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>>97185843
>Myth, never happening.
I'm sure that happened.

Knots or humanoid?

>>97171636
Is just Batman Beyond, legally distinct edition.
Becoming an old, jaded, mentor is quintessential white man fantasy.

>>97192456
>Knots
Glabro + the others
>Humanoid
Homid
Though I think they can control their transformations right? They can just get knots whenever they want.

>>97187766
Sauce?

>>97044676
>tfw no red talon bf who utterly abhors humanity but has a soft spot for you

>>97192456
>canine dick
Lupus (duh), hispo and crinos
>human dick
Homid (obviously) and glabro
There's a reason why sex in crinos is so popular
>>97199000
Why live :(

Since we're talking about dicks, isn't it creepy that the Garou (and I suppose all the other species too) can seduce anyone with just a look?

>>97199963
>Sex in Crinos
You mean the part where everyone but the Garou dies or?
>>97200155
Every supernatural splat can do this right?

>>97200361
>Every supernatural splat can do this right?
Yeah, every splat has access to some sort of magical date rape mind control, but the importance of sex and breeding to werewolves makes it weirder when they do it

>>97200548
Yeah you do have a good point. I'm pretty sure their society looks down on that sort of stuff though. Never mind their whole spirit shenanigans and prestige thing means they lose aura for needing to do that unreasonably

>>97200155
>can seduce anyone with just a look
Anyone can do that. You not being able to is just because you're ugly.

>>97204051
So not just anyone can do it!

>>97185843
If he falls, it’s going to be because of assholes like you mistreating him. It’s the 21st century, for Gaia’s sake. We need to be better than this
>myth, never going to happen
Famous last words

Bump :3

>>97212832
>We must be better Men
Garou really believe this Syndicate propaganda just because it comes from a Viking-esque video game? Perhaps the Get were what held the Nation together.

Werewolves smell bad. They are also full of were-worms (monstrous tapeworms).

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W-what are the other form of wereworms?

>>97215795
Now I have the image of a wereworm emerging from a werewolf's anus.

>>97215795
Sickening thoughts, I suppose this is why the mage in the RP was feeding the bone gnawer chick some worm medication.

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>t. Pentex

Where is the magic of life to cure and heal?

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Mother’s Touch, that’s, like, the first gift every theurge worth their salt should learn when they pass their Rite of Passage

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Looks like someone saw a Wereworm crawl out of one. Fuck I miss Billy and Mandy