>tell people here that 40k used to be a silly pastiche>get told that it only applies to rogue trader and the setting became serious with second edition>second edition is even goofier than rogue trader>3rd edition has fucking Sly MarboWhat is up with 40k autists taking the setting so seriously? It’s always been a goofy 2000 A.D. pastiche.
>>9709920740k, it's fans, and everything related to it are retarded as fuck. 40k competes directly with Magic the Gathering and D&D 5e for biggest source of contagious retardation in the Traditional Gaming space.
>>97099207>What is up with 40k autists taking the setting so seriouslyAverage person claiming that never read any lore, and often also didn't play any of the games.It's pretty normal.Something very similar applies to Slavs and WFRP - they played the rules when 1e was released, but made up their own lore to fill the pop-culture void. So they insist to this day that WFRP and WF as a setting are 200% serious and hardcore, no humor allowed
>>97099207Because taking it seriously is part of the humour, and autists are fundamentally unable to understand that.
>>97099207>mfw anon believed the reddit narrative about le wacky first edition
>>97099282First edition is wacky as fuck, what the hell are you talking about?
>>97099288>First edition is wacky as fuckAbout the same amount of wackiness across all editions until very late 90s, it even applies to whfb.
>>97099298I'd argue 40k stayed wacky well into 5th edition.
>>97099308You could also argue that the whole primaris/Cawl retardation is pretty goofy all things considered.
>>97099207As >>97099242 says, taking it seriously is how you participate in the fun. If you don't take it seriously you just come across as a faggot. There has to be a word for this.
>NuGW decides to take 40k super seriously>It becomes fucking capeshit
Indeed, this entire concept exists because people saw a character was a reference to a movie and they though >oh so it's a big silly funny? just a funny wacky haha? it has a move reference so it's all just some wackadoo satiresque parody joke?
>>97099207>40kids are idiotsMore news at ten
>>97099390Stop being silly, 40kid.
the early editions did have some retarded stuff though. the early orks were retarded LE HECKIN GOOFY LADS
>>97099419I still missed the Black Ork Rockers for a long time
>>97099390Pastiche is not satire anon. What are you talking about?
>>9709920740k literally flip-flopped between every single edition on how much of a joke or how serious it's supposed to be. You're all fucking idiots.
>>97099221FPBPP/thread
>>97099308>New Lelith book>Has her goofing around with children >Deldar baddie grinding her ass into a people chair>Lelith servants bleed to death doing her hair>Le quirky chungus haemonculus >Recruiting allies in an orgyI'd say it's still pretty whacky
>>97099402>>97099497That's what I'm saying!
>>97099501That's not flip flopping, that's just misidentifying something with bleak but also slightly humorous tone.
>>97099207>it's got a few jokes in it to lighten the mood?>this is obviously the spiritual heir to Monty Python, it's a farcefest, a non-stop parade of silly walks, a ludicrous clownshow!I don't know if you're genuinely this retarded or just pretending, but here's your (you) you worthless subnormal.
>>97099611BL doesn't count because it was always riddled with Whomesome Chungus Le Whacky Ebin Redditoid "humour".
>>97099221>MTG fans constantly bitch whenever a new crossover happens>DND fans like to stat characters/monsters from other media, worst trait is just constantly trying to fit square pegs into their round hole of a system>40K fans will bring up, unprompted, how 40K curbstomps every other setting in existence at any time and in any place (this despite the fact that 40K is on the low end of scifi power scaling)I know which one of these I’m voting off the island.
>>97099328>If you don't take it seriously you just come across as a faggot.You still call me a faggot though!
>>97099207Most warhammer fans online are youtube secondaries or if they read the books they're reading the newer stuff like the Horus Heresy that's full of retcons and there's not really any drive to go and read the older books when the whole fanbase is like "dude you can jump in wherever just listen to this podcast/watch this lore video".
>>97099207I can think of three reasons:Young people tend to ignore the good advice that older and more experienced people tell them.Most of them are to young to remember the good old days and only know what GW, shills, X and Reddit tell them today.They don't like being told that something they are pouring their life, soul and wealth into started off as a joke. (Autists don't get humour)
>>97100629>Most of them are to young to remember the good old days and only know what GW, shills, X and Reddit tell them today.And of course James is going to want their products to be seen as "Mature" and "Sophisticated" to justify their insane prices.
>>97100303What part of "2000 AD" did you not understand? Why the fuck do you think he was comparing it to Monty Python?
>>97099328Some people are just too irony-poisoned. They're worried about coming across as cringe by being sincere about anything so instead they have to treat everything as weird and silly.>Oh my god did that guy just stop bullets with his heckin' mind? Erm, that just happened!
>>97099611Lolwut
>>97101000>zoomer autists don't understand the difference between sincerity, pastiche, not taking things too seriously and marvel writingMany such cases.
Tell me about the Deldar baddie
>>97099221>I hate popular things!Very brave stance, you'll be the coolest kid at prom.
>>97100326Ah, it's another "Halo fan tries to stealth complain about 40k gigamogging his setting" thread. That explains the aura of seethe. Quick, post about photino birds as if you've ever actually read the Xelee Sequence again.
>>97101431>something is not retarded because it's popular!67
>>97101463>67What?
>>97100742I wanna pound Tyrussy
>>97101497>I wanna pound TyrussyNO ANON, IT'S A TRAP!!!AN ALIMONY TRAP!
>>97101471Remember how The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy popularized number 42 as "the answer, but we forgot what the question was"? The latest iteration of "the number" meme is 67.
>>97101567>The latest iteration of "the number" meme is 67.It is the Youths revenge for 69!
>>97101463>The midwit didn't understand the anon's point
>>97099207>>tell people here that 40k used to be a silly pasticheSmall portions of it were. Much like how Half Life and Portal have serious and comedic moments. Much like how any media has similar dynamics. What you're trying to do is gaslight and misdirect people by well known bad faith positions and false premises. Anyone that engages with you on a face value is a fool and you're a massive tool. The only reason I'm even elaborating upon this is to call you out for being a piece of shit that needs to fuck off.
James workshop can suck my shaft down to the balls and eat my brown potty floaters
>>97101606>The only reason I'm even elaborating upon this is to call you out for being a piece of shit that needs to fuck off.I don't think he's the piece of shit taking his wee army men too seriously...
It might've had its origins in parody but it now has an identity or gravitas all its own. To explain it another way, on the scale of simulacrum explained by fish, you are currently at the swedish fish level.
>>97101722No, he's the piece of shit getting angry other people are enjoying wee army men in a way he disapproves of, which is far sillier.
>>97099207Something something monkey ladder experiment.
>>97101581I understood his point better than he did. The midwit couldn't even turn it around before posting.
>>97101786>The midwit couldn't even turn it around before posting.No need to refer to yourself in the third person, midwit-kun. If you hate the things this board was created to discuss (40k, D&D, MTG) you are welcome to go back to the funny white alien site.
>>97101756No, you're the one crying about him needing to fuck off like this hobby is your safe space...
>>97099207The answer is presentation, anon. The lore used to be presented as gritty and edgy if somewhat nonsensical in a number of ways. And now, outside of outlier examples, by and large it's not presented as nonsensical but self-serious. That's really it.It's all the worse off for it that it's all self-serious imo, but eh. That's how it goes.
>>97102147But if they didn't take things SUPER CEREAL, they might HAVE FUN!!!
>>97099242Ah yes, Schroedinger's satire...
>>97099207It was an homage, rather than just a pastiche, to historical, pop cultural and alternative entertainment media, which can have some light hearted and some more serious aspects, both played straight faced and over the top, rather than just being one or the other. Its not all le ebin wacky hahahs and its not all grimdarkicus skullhammer. Let the thing have some nuance and breath a bit instead of trying to make it about whatever you think is the most important.
You shouldn’t be allowed to repeat the line about satire if you can’t name what it’s parodying. And no, Dredd and 2000 AD are already themselves parody so those don’t count
>>97099611>Lelith servants bleed to death doing her hairFucking what? That's hilarious.
>>97099390>>97102186>>97102400You people keep mentioning satire but OP clearly said pastiche.
>>97100307It all fucking counts. If it is only serious if you deliberately cut out all the wacky parts then it isn't fucking serious.
>>97102108It is my "safe space" to the extent that should ever be a thing. This is my hobby. I will defend it from all the STUPID ASSHOLES making fun of it.
>>97102744They don't know what that word means and they are too lazy to look it up.
>>97099207The setting as a whole is very silly and over the top, but I think it's a good thing to be able to suspend disbelief and engage with the world presented sincerely. Nobody likes the chucklefuck smugly trying to kill the fun of playing along with fantastical silliness.
>>97102880What's with the recent Jucika style resurgence?
>>97102912never heard of it but I like it
>>97099207These days 40k is written, and taken, super seriously because it's an entirely different set of directions for GW.Instead of being the edgy, gritty OTT universe where you had the choice to be serious or silly, it treats itself like Star Wars, where things HAVE to make sense, and not be too ridiculous, and power hierarchies are a thing because the writers have all caught brainrot and forgotten their roots.But now, a surprisingly large amount of 40k fans are post 2016, post primaris, and ONLY know the sanitized, takes-itself-seriously setting where the Imperium are the 'blue hero guys' and 'the good guys' next to the 'evil red&black guys with horns' (Chaos), and the 'other guys in the backround' (Xenos).And because a large number of these new fans are also media illiterate, and feel the 'authoritarian trad good vs chaotic wild evil' matches their own brainrot political views, they're vehemently against the idea that the setting might not be too serious, because then the setting 'might not agree with them'. Both because that implies their own views are silly, and it involves recognizing material where the good guys (Imperium) do silly evil shit because traditions/power/ignorance/religion/lol why not, and the bad guys (Chaos&renegades) don't actually seem too terrible by comparison.
>>97102990Nah.
>>97102795>>97102744Homage you cretins.
>>97101444I don't have a dog in this race but I'd like to seize this opportunity to say, the Xelee Sequence fucking blows and the entire book series is a meme.
>>97103637it used to get brought up because 40k fans were retarded and would say the 40k universe is the bestest and mostest powerfuldespite the fact that it is in fact an unpowered setting populated by retarded people
