Because trying to get anything done with /tg/ is pointless now. Too many people will just bitch and whine and too few will contribute anything. The amateur gamedev thread can be helpful but they aren't really /tg/ projects. At best you can make something yourself then share it here.

>i want to get shit done again
Then get the fuck away from here.

The /tg/ you were born in no longer exists.

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Well, what do you want to do, OP?

>>97121132
There's maybe a handful of oldfags here, if you want to get shit done, then please, present the shit if you want to get done and maybe we can possibly get these herd of brainrotted cats to tap even 5% of our old power.

>>97121132
Then make shit

>>97121162
>>97121169
Bleak.

>>97121180
Make a setting, some cool homebrew, a system, a module, SOMETHING. I've got some great books for worldbuilding from the Rchive and I wanna use them.

>>97121181
Sure, let's start with a few docs for worldbuilding and adventure design. I uploaded these myself:
https://mega.nz/folder/HvZGmTSb#jUw8dEImPPNrNDX8rKJAKQ

>>97121132
Oldfags left, newfags are all furry gooners who can't make anything but dinosaur porn and assure each other that zoophilia is heckin based.

>>97121195
That annoys me because old /tg/ would, when furry shit was posted, make shit based on it. Remember Ironclaw de-furrified? That was awesome.

>>97121203
Nope. Either you jerk off 24/7 to child animals shitting or push for pagon sharia law.

>>97121195
But /tg/ has always had furry shit. If anything I'd call it tsundere for fur.

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>>97121195
I knew this screencap would come in handy someday.

>>97121132
>Why don't we get shit done anymore, /tg/?
It doesn't help when two Irish fucks steal the good homebrew from this site and sell it for money, as well as making YouTube videos where all they do is read greentext stories from here. As a result, no one wants to post stories here anymore because they'll just get lifted for YouTube shekels and make the people posting them feel like a cuck. Why bother making shit, when whatever you make will get stolen and sold for money?

>>97121745
This is the real reason. Youtube channels like Neckbeardia killed /tg/.

>>97121132
No, you don't. You want other people to get shit done so you can say you did it. If you wanted to get shit done you'd be writing your homebrew, talking in one of the infinite worldbuilding and system tweaking threads, writing autistic fanfic for shit like expedition agartha descent, shilling your crappy untested game like the frenopolis autist, drawing shit in drawthreads or, at least, making a thread about how the shit you wanted help getting done should look like. You wouldn't mind anyone calling your game shit, telling you to buy an ad or saying you're a shill.
>>97121193
Then read those books and follow the instructions. Come when you have anything more than this thread. You gave no input besides "do something", even AI won't eat a prompt like that.
Prove me wrong though, what kind of shit do you want /tg/ to help you get done OP? A setting for an existing system? A new system? Both? A boardgame? Card game? A wargame? New content for existing settings and games? What does your dream look like? How does it play? Do you have any useful abilities to make that happen? Can you draw, write, 3d model or tweak die math? Can you at least manage and direct people capable of doing such things towards the completion of a task that produces something? Can you at least give input that someone able to manage those people could use to properly get soething done? Can you be arsed to salvage your own thread?

>>97121132
Then get shit done. Start doing shit. What's stopping you?

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>>97121764
>A setting for an existing system?
This is my personal inclination, I love making settings.
So sure, let's start with this book. Can't post pdfs and it's too big anyway, so the Tome of World Building will help.

>>97121745
Just make your shit to be distributed for free, the same must apply to any derived works. Adjust conditions as appropriate. Make it clear that anyone selling your work will get cursed. Then if content farmers get cancer or get hit by a drunk driver, it's their own fault :^)

>>97121790
>let's start with this book
You start with this book. I have my settings already, talk about yours, you still have given no input. "let's build a setting" is not an input.

>>97121745
Don't they gotta follow TOS? Just make your stuff unfriendly. Too many slurs, no no fetishes, to racist. Something the normies will shake thier head at.

>>97121810
Youtubers just change flagged terms to censorspeak like bubble, ninja, grape, etc... Fetishes are too abstract for the algo to flag it if words are censored.
Also, most people here today are also normies that will flinch at the sight of anything a youtube audience would.
Following your instructions would, 100%, make the site better though.

>>97121745
Emotional availability warning: this post is about to be honest and unironic.
I make shit because I want the shit I make to exist. I've written short modules, made "how to X" pdfs, helped anons with their campaigns, and plenty of other stuff here over a period of fifteen or so years.
I stopped (or at least stopped posting stuff here) because I kept getting my feelings hurt. I'm not overly sensitive to criticism, constructive or otherwise. If you think my post about mech suits is terrible, fine. But the corrosive shit people post here really does eventually burn through thick skin. Someone posting "kys fag" doesn't register but enough attempts at personal vitriol will eventually light upon an actual fault in one's emotional defences.
/tg/ has reached a point where aloofness and sniping are the only safe posting styles. Being an unironic weirdo nerd is no longer possible. We are what my younger self would have called "conformist" (it was a different time). Ruthlessly orthodox and waiting to pounce on our brothers at the least opportunity.
I don't want a parade for every help post I make. But I do want to feel like I'm not going to splash myself while I piss in this ocean of piss.
If you want to get shit done, these are my simple rules:
>Do shit yourself
>Give good shit (You)s
>Report shit posts and shitposts
>If someone else is getting shit done even slightly post something, ANYTHING, to help.

>>97121193
I've always considered making a game off one of my settings, but I just have none of the proper drive nor mathematical understanding to do it justice.

>>97121892
This is pretty true, and I feel like it's very sad. I don't know why there is so much negativity and misery now.
>Being an unironic weirdo nerd is no longer possible.
Isn't that the damn truth?

>>97121911
Pick a generic system you like and start there. What's the vibe, anon?

>>97121892
This.
People criticise far more than they contribute. Critique is helpful, sure, but we deconstruct so much we forgot how to reconstruct.

Not a /tg/ problem in specific but nothing's an island.

>>97121965
>Why
Combination of factors. Economic and social stress makes everyone angrier and sadder. Inequality sets us against one another. Social media elsewhere promotes only attention grabbing items and an overblown emotional tone. Isolated people IRL are more vengeful, less needy. Distrust of everything runs high, fomented by foreign and domestic enemies.

>>97121966
Most of it is just a mishmash of ideas I enjoyed in other smaller games, with one of the bigger ones being other humanoid monster species like kobolds and goblins making their own empires in the wake of the fantasy classics such as humans, dwarves, elves, halflings, and so on either being extinct or going into hiding, and the monsters they hunt being mostly chimeric hybrids and mad science creations. Nothing that would be massively interesting to the general fatguy audience, but something at least to try with my friends.

I guess if nothing else, I could rip off PBTA like everyone else or D20, but I definitely want to consider other options before going there.

>>97122012
Check out Mini Six. It's a pulpy system if you use Body Points for health, and it works well doing scale (I.e. little kobold Vs big troll). Easy to mod around, too. Look at the campaign setting examples in the book and you might find your game easily converts to a similar format and you can expand it as you go on.
Good luck at the table, anon.

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>>97121807
Sure. I'll start with the main continents. Rolling a d10 to determine structure of the world.

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>>97122077
wtf the roll didn't work. trying again

Rolled 2 + 1 (1d3 + 1)

>>97122077
And now,

>>97122096
For d10 and 100, just use the last digits of your previous post

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>>97121892
>>Report shit posts and shitposts
Then the reliable mods and jannies will promptly ban the bad actors and make the board useable again ;)

TG never got anything "done" you worthless retard and anyone who says it did is gaslighting himself.

>>97121755
Yep. And now that they're done making videos, /tg/ isn't recovering. The damage is done. At this point I've considered making an AI slop greentext channel since TTS voices are so much better now, and would probably be more enjoyable to listen to than that mick cunt stumbling over her words like a 4 year old.

>>97121797
lol no

>>97121810
They've been banned so many times they know how to dance around that stuff.
What should be happening is they should be getting flagged for stealing content from here, which, after all, is content OWNED by the anons here. But I could never encourage such behavior.

>>97121892
I know that feel bro.

>>97122042
That sounds excellent. Thank you very much for the advice, anon

>>97121892
That doesn't address what he said at all. If I make something great for free, then I want people to follow the spirit of that. What I don't want is some content poacher stealing it and monetizing it. This isn't even taking inspiration either. Neckbeardia stole the rules for Night Shift, edited it just enough for plausible deniability and made 20k pounds off it with a kickstarter,

People will say 'Just make stuff anyway it doesn't matter', as if my efforts being treated as disposable commodities for some fat cunt to reap for his own financial benefit isn't a grievous insult. You can't harp on about respect and feedback while also ignoring the elephant in the room.
>in b4 'just don't be mad lol'
>in b4 'you should be honoured some hack on youtube thought your shit was worth stealing and made a bunch of money off you while offering nothing in return'

>>97122138
Maybe they won't, but they might. It's crucial not to get drawn into a fight though.
>>97122194
You're very welcome.

>>97122205
Unfortunately, anon, your only option is to prove original ownership and sue. If the filed-off-serials are good enough you may not even be able to do that.
I'm sorry, and I can see why it bothers you. It doesn't bother me, but that's no help to you.
Raising awareness and posting links to free originals on shill products might be a good counter. We could get that shit done, methinks.

>>97121132
>"I want to get shit done"
>read: I want to be there for le epic board history moment
>homebrew general games still go unplayed
You're not fooling anyone, faggot

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>>97121132
/tg/ doesn't want to make things, /tg/ wants to shit on things. It's analog /v/ these days.

>>97121132
It's easier to be angry, scream at each other and blame everyone else for our problems.

>>97121132
im just biding my time until the next writefag event
should be soon given its almost slaaneshmas

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What kind of stuff do you want?
More comics?

>>97122221
>It's crucial not to get drawn into a fight
If so, the simplest remedy is to not post. To not use this site even. Mods have made it clear this place is not for us, so why try to sow seeds in a desert?

>>97121132
All the people who could get shit done left or saw how horrible this place and decided that getting shit done for a bunch of illiterate zoomers and jeets was a waste of time, especially when most of them would never do anything more than complain that you aren't using their epic ideas guy ideas.

>>97122255
>Unfortunately, anon, your only option is to prove original ownership and sue.
Well. /tg/ does have the original threads where Night Shift was created archived in the relevant places, in a theoretical lawsuit that could be used as evidence, and all of our posts are legally owned by the Poster of a given post. The big issue is proving who was a given poster in those threads because even in 2014, most of the people involved were Anonymous.

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>>97121132
People became political and started taking shit too seriously. Especially newcomers to the board.
I don't mean political as in 'this person made a political joke'. They would take a political stance, state what little self-worth they had on being 'correct' on that stance, and proliferate those opinions in board culture to make themselves feel important.
We can't joke about things or talk about anything mildly political without someone finding a hill to die on.

>>97122617
The worst damage the culture war did was convince people that it was about the right vs the left instead of the parasites of both sides vs normal people.

>>97121162
>>97121169
These two are correct.

>>97121193
>Make a setting, some cool homebrew, a system, a module, SOMETHING
Then do it, and use it with your friends like I do. Don't waste your time or efforts on /tg/. Nothing will come of it. It's been at least 7 years now since /tg/ was able to get anything of value done or offer any words that are useful to a game developer.

>>97121195
>t. newfag
Hornyposting has been /tg/ culture since the days of "elf slave wat do". Puritanism has no place on an 18+ website. If aznmoot wasn't retarded, he'd just make every board a red board because it's 18+ anyway.

>>97121892
>I make shit because I want the shit I make to exist.
This is the way.
>I'm not overly sensitive to criticism, constructive or otherwise. If you think my post about mech suits is terrible, fine. But the corrosive shit people post here really does eventually burn through thick skin
It's more that the shit posted here isn't useful. If I'm asking for feedback, I want to know what (you) think could be better, not some useless generic dismissive bullshit. /tg/ is a cesspool of a husk.

>>97122155
Objectively false.

>>97121193
>settingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsettingsetting

What the FUCK is this board's obsession with "MUH SETTING"?

>>97122710
creating shit is cool

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>>97122096
>>97122109
Giver anon.
What's the next roll?

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>>97122790
Holy shit this is amazing! Thank you so much
Next up, we gotta determine rough climate zones

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>>97121132
Whenever someone makes something earnestly and posts it here the thread gets zero replies and pushed off the board by bait and shitpost threads.

You'd be surprised how much stuff people do make, you just never see it.

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>>97122915
Okay, I cheated and was already thinking meteor craters because blowing up the moon and it being full of aliens that make the planet adventurous is a good way to have inner seas.
Assuming close enough to urf climate and predominant wind from the east so rainforests on one side of those mountains and more arid on the other side.

>>97123046
>>97122915
Roll another catastrophic event and we can stack them.

>>97123046
This is fuckin awesome, I love the meteor craters

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>>97123051
here's 1/2, we can roll or pick as we decide

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>>97123057
double alien action might be too much, though we could choose different kinds?
2/2

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>>97123057
I like the spores, they're radiating out from the craters. Two different kinds. Potential conflict there as the locals adapt or otherwise use them , fight them, etc.
>>97123067
>unlukcky 7
Neat. The gods were unable to prevent the meteors, why?

>>97122710
Because you can't run a TTRPG in a vacuum. There needs to be a world for it to take place in. Something to define what the character options are, how they fit into the game world, what kind of adventures can be had, and so on.

>>97121132
Here's some genuine DCC homebrew adventures
>>97123328

>>97123161
>you can't run a TTRPG in a vacuum
But what if you could?

>>97123085
Sorry, went to bed (and about to go back to bed, just woke up). I'll give some more ideas and such tomorrow, but so far this has been FUCKING AMAZING. Thank you so much anon!

>>97121132
4/chan is mostly American. American culture is all about tearing things down that the previous lot liked, built or did, to 'own' them, sort of like cutting off your nose to spite your face. No shit will be done, apart from lies, disruption and shit flinging. Mods are happy though, because they are only concerned about thread count, (and advert revenues and data farming) not the actual content quality.

>>97121892
I'd go a step further. It's not it gets to you. It's just the white noise drowns out everything. I've seen entire threads reach archive and it's buzzword of the week shitposting, Politics, and porn dumps. After 1,000 saar or tranny or whatever obsession the bots have you just stop caring. I could go on any chatbot right now and mimic these threads.

>>97121132
You can not just assume /tg/ will get shit done just because a lot of bad and half-baked things were being worked on in the past. This bystander-ass position is exactly how stuff stopped getting done. If you want it to get done, you have to put the work in yourself.

>>97121132
ponies stole a critical mass of the friendly pro-social nerds

>>97121132
>asking this question in the year of our lord 2016 + 9

>>97121169
third post best post

>>97122710
Because infinity setting building is the "idea guy" of TTRPG development. It's the easy part. So by focusing on the setting forever you can trick yourself into thinking you're getting actual work done when really you're just jerking off all day.

>>97122710
If you seriously don't get it then you're the problem.

>>97123482
>inb4 "Vacuum: The Setting"

>>97121132
The last big chance /tg/ had to Get Shit Done was Turnip28 rolling through. Semi-regular threads about a genuine project where all anyone needed to do to contribute was post fucked-up vegetable dudes and ideas for gameplay or factions.
There were a few sincere posters contributing fucked-up vegetable art, models and even rules, and a sea of grasping zombie crab claws trying to drag them back down.
Meanwhile the Turnip discords were purring along, art got made, rules got made and the project got done without us. I was at a tournament last year and it was a great time, not a hint of the crabs-in-bucket /tg/ mentality.
The 4th Ed Battle Bible is the recent work that I see happening, but genuine work and graft is best done on Discord rather than on an image board filled with idle, impulsive, broken and boring bystanders.

>>97123707
Better than the EU which is currently impotently trying to censor and control 4chan while hiroshimoot laughs.

>>97123482
Don't be cheeky, I'm not talking about the vacuum of space or inside of a literal vacuum cleaner, I'm talking about just shitting out your players into a void of nothingness where nothing exists until the players stumble upon it.

It leads to games that die quickly because the players have no immersion and no stakes. Their characters need a world to exist in, to have grown up in, to adventure in, and without a setting for your game you have no means to decide what player options are available, what they mean to the characters, both player and non-player, what technology level the setting is, and so on and so forth. You need a setting for the context of the game to make sense.

Sure, you can have a bunch of lazy faggots who just want to kill shit and make money, but even then you'll have to consider economy, trade centers, why there are dangerous holes in the ground full of monsters and loot, and you'll end up making a setting anyway.

>>97121132
This place died about a decade ago, whenever discord trannies became jannies. Just accept that when you let in
>Diversity
You let out whatever community was required to get things done, just like in real life.

>>97124287
funny that you say that when this place has been more infested by poltards than ever before and it's more dead that ever before

>>97124287
huh. a decade ago? just a few months before the 2016 election that flooded /b/ and /pol/ with newfag magatards that ruined both boards and overflowed to almost every other corner of the website? what an odd coincidence

>>97124347
Trump is literally the worst thing to have ever happened for traditional games

>>97124200
>muh free speech
Kek.

>>97124287
>wetback complaining about wetbacks
Many such cases.

>>97124287
I don't think 4chan gone for good. It still one of the biggest places for free speech on the net, however. They did let lefties in the door and that been causing problems ever since. However it's not as bad as most fucking sites now. (Still need to purge them all but will give 4chan that.) People love to cry "not all" and all. However once they get enough in to help push their views. They do every single time and that what changes and kills sites. They did it to Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, Gaia, etc. You can't let them in cause they don't understand or agree to the concept of neutral ground. Everything is a culture war for them and they have to take over cause they can't build shit with keeping. I mean look at Bluesky, they just move their porn and purging over there and trying to make that the new X/Twitter after Musk bought it and it's slowly falling apart. People will "leave" X for bluesky and come back 2-3 months later. Even the creator of Bluesky fucked off saying it became worse than Twitter at it's worst.

Part of it is that a lot of stuff that started on /tg/ ended up getting co-opted or kicked off for one reason or another because of drama. OPR became a shit show where most of the old guard got thrown out. The current writers, rule creators, and PR people fuck it up constantly now.

You also have shills and marketers who push certain games and even became mods to get rid of criticism. Mag28, mork borg, etc.

Political brainrot just became the norm. You have people who insist everything has to be political 100% of the time rather than just a hobby, creative exercise, or something to enjoy. CGL keeps fucking up battletech, but battletech being fucked over is nothing new.

>>97121132
Be the change you want to see anon.

>>97124909
Another good example I just remembered. Some people who originally helped with /tg/ stuff, or were people at a company who came to /tg/, started doing ladder pulls or throwing people under the bus. Whole projects crashing. The zweihander guy ruining years of homebrews and the trove just to steal stuff for his game, etc.

There was a dude named blackwing or something like that who used to help with the trove and with some homebrew stuff. He went on to work with a couple companies like pinnacle. He then started striking down or deleting certain releases for companies he helped. He also was an edgy guy who now has troll's remorse. A lot of projects can be undone by just a couple of dudes.

>>97121132
most people who would have contributed won't now since the internet is no longer a portal to wild west information super highway but rather 4 apps everyone constantly scrolls and where everything must be monetised, the people who still do shit for fun online moved to walled discord servers

>>97125068
as always money is the bane of this hobby

>>97125133
I wouldn't say that entirely. It seems it is usually an ego, people getting troll's remorse, or people just pussying out over anything controversial. Political brainrot seems to be the common factor. Pinnacle is spiraling downwards over it. Same with chaosium. They both seem allergic to money at the moment.

>>97125169
you aint wrong exactly. i meant it in the desire of the to make money of tg homebrews and other small projects.
It's a hobby, if you make something good and an anon with some extra cash wants to give you something then fine, getting greedy about it always leads to ruin

>>97125196
Some of them at least seem to stay small or decent at least. Hyperborea, and some of the other smaller OSR creators, seem ok. People are trying to get them kicked off drivethrurpg apparently so that sucks to see. Battle century was good if I remember right.

>>97123685
:Long day at the long day factory, keep going I'll catch up.

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>>97124977
This.
>>97125133
>>97125169
There is a dark triad of retard variants at play.
>Carpetbaggers
Don't give a flying fuck about the hobby, or if they do their need or lust for profit now entirely eclipses that love. There will be more and more of these as long as tabletop is (or is thought to be) lucrative.
AI slop farms, trash games that just have an IP slapped on, Youtubers and their ilk who make money off shit people like you and I write, etc.
>The Ego-Trip
May start out unassuming and cool, but immediately upon touching any sort of success reveals themselves to be a colossal dickhead chasing whatever manner of clout is their poison, be it 'artist', 'entrepeneur', etc.
Shittily these people also tend to enjoy a dedicated support base of sycophants and shills who ensure that the egotist never recovers until the ground finally falls out and everything ends with a whimper or a bang.
Pic related.
>The Apex Turbospergs
These people have been around since the hobby has, and mindlessly churn out the worst creations and throw their money at the most moronic cringe shit possible.
This is not done out of any malice, but rather because they are such spergs they don't realize that they are. You find a lot of these in 5e, Pathfinder, Mork Börg groups, as well as 40k on the wargame side.
These, combined with type one, ensure that every year we have a more overwhelming flood of absolute garbage content and materials to sift through to find anything good.
Type 3 also handily enables Type 1 because they throw ungodly sums of money after absolute trash, whereas Type 1s enable Type 3s by expanding the reach of the hobby and hosting their garbage on places like itch.io.

>>97125169
Another factor to consider is that the more stakes one has / more one has to lose the more likely they are to sell and / or puss out when it comes to integrity.
This is not new, our interests just weren't influential enough to be it a common issue for us.
People don't cover their asses unless there's something to cover, they don't spend all days selling bullshit if there isn't profit to be had, and they don't constantly churn out slop if there isn't an audience for it.
The world of tabletop is a very different thing than it was and we have to acknowledge that to understand why people are less likely to make cool shit these days.

>>97125513
A lot of the times it just causes more controversy to puss out rather than just ignore whatever people are doing. Shane apologized over saying it was bad to kill people or threaten their family, fired some old friends, and even threw them under the bus. Same people who quit over it still won't go back. He also lost more kickstarter backers. I think the pussying out thing has more to do with the brainrot rather than fear of missing out on money.

>>97122296
You know not the joy of creation, anon. You don't know it because you are not capable of it.

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>>97125704
I know the joys of creation, and that guy's right. OP is tourist not interesting in contributing.

>>97124401
>everything caused by r/TheDonald setting up so here is the left's fault
Truly wonderful the mind of a child is.

>>97125649
It's not always money that they have as their highest stakes. Sometimes it's clout, acceptance by the politically correct cloud, etc.
It's always done to preserve whatever they value, but you're right that it often has the contrary effect. It's like in the Greek Myths how heroes trip over their ballsack to avert their fate and all that evasion just leads to that selfsame fate coming about.
>>97125704
This is the thing. Making stuff is fun in and of itself. People who only see it as a means to an end can't really comprehend those who enjoy making and sharing just for the love of the game.

>>97124401
>They did let lefties in the door and that been causing problems ever since.

4chan was left-leaning from its inception, anon. We were edgy jerks, sure, but don't forget for a moment what old 4chan was. This is the site that would DDOS Fox news, that was counterculture against republican post-9/11 policy, that joked about wanting to be girls back when 'trans' still meant 'transvestite'. All of the terminology you still use today that ends in 'fag' came from 4chan pushing to overuse the term faggot to such a degree that it no longer served as an insult, taking away its power.
Sure, there were right wing posters and memes here was well, this was an open forum, but the idea that the left is some kind of late-arriving phenomenon on 4chan is a blatant fiction to anyone who didn't show up here in 2016.

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>>97121132
>>97121162
>>97121169

I still make stuff. I wrote the OSR book about dark elves, which includes classes, items, monsters, new rules, setting notes if you want to include them, and so on. I've documented my progress on /tg/ multiple times. You can either buy my book on DTRPG (it's pay what you want):
>https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/516466/twisted-shadows-compendium-of-the-dark-elves
OR
just download it:
>https://files.catbox.moe/xsolyj.pdf
I would obviously prefer that you buy it, even for 0 dollars because it makes my metrics look better; but whatever I just want people to enjoy my stuff.

I'm currently on hiatus because the stuff I made got me a small writing gig in the industry so that takes precedence over my own work. However, I have Catgirl OSR project that's like 90% complete and an OSR Viking/Snakeman city that's like... 60% complete.

>>97121755
You know they can't steal your shit if you sign your shit.

>>97121892
Nah you sound like a faggot. I also make shit because I want to make shit, but I separate constructive useful criticism from shit criticism. If some faggot says "ur gay and ur work sucks" they can go fuck a cactus, I don't care about their opinion. If they say something like "I don't like the fact that you're doing catgirls in an anime style, I think it clashes with OSR" that's valid criticism but also I don't care because I want to make an anime catgirl. If they give me honest feedback on the mechanics or the lore not making sense; well, that's an anon worth listening to.

Fucking zoomers and their obsession with ”productivity”. This is a leisure site. You’re not required to ”produce” anything here. This is not a job.

>>97125758
It was LIBERTARIAN-leaning at its inception.

>>97126282
Anon, this isn't about solo projects but about collaborative stuff that used to happen in these threads. You can't stamp your shit if what you made was a post to some thread

>>97126363
>what is a secure tripcode
But also, collaborative projects in their own thread always spun off off-site because it eventually becomes a bitch to coordinate.

>>97126308
It's capitalism. Capitalism captures desire through productivity. If someone works without reward then there is no productivity involved according to capitalism.
I am oversimplifying but we have seen in a couple of decades the rise of hyper-capitalism if you wanna use a pop term. People 10-15 years ago didn't care about making money, only about having enough to live a decent life through a simple job and time for their hobbies. Not everybody of course but the percentage of people outside the grind/sigma/whatever pop term is in right now mindset are far diminished compared to the past and they keep dwindling. It is the plague of our times. How can kids that have grown up in this culture escape it when no real counter culture to this exists nowdays

>>97126319
Wrong. Libertarians never met a corpo cock they didn't want to deepthroat. 4chan was pro-piracy to the core.

>>97122205
If you're really serious about this, there are ways to protect indie guys and small guys like most anons are from grifters. The steps would be as follow:

1. Achieve and save the link of the thread where the original content was created. This is fairly easy to do and anyone can do it. From there you already have proof that the content was created by a different community than any scammer trying to profit from it without respecting the spirit or wishes of other anons.
2. Recollect the information in the thread, put it in a document contributed by everyone and make it crystal clear that all the information in the document is public domain akin to european folk tales and any sort of work that is 50+ years old already. Anyone can pick it and transform it, but no one shall steal it and claim for himself only. This is a very basic principle found in free licenses such as MIT used for most open-source software.
3. Anons who have ideas that are not necessary community like their own setting, the only thing they need to do is create a social media and dump their content there. If you really want to create your own setting you will have to create something like this sooner or later anyway.

These are clear community etiquette that could protect /tg/ or any other community without screwing the free spirit of it. Of course, this is supposing this is an honest question and not just another excuse to be a crab in a bucket and bitch about youtubers while still letting the board rot.

>>97124038
>Vacuum: The Setting
About vacuum-adapted humanoids and other phenotypes cleaning up trash in LEO... mmm...donuts

>>97126308
>>97126396
Sort of the reverse of this, actually. The most compelling post-capitalist vision we've ever had remains Star Trek (I'd say even more so than anything the Strugatskies, etc. did) and that vision was "in the absence of needing to work, people will still seek to strive to benefit their community simply because the community is theirs and because they can," which is exactly what we are trying to cultivate and benefit from.
Capitalism backsliding with deindustrialization, monopolization, etc. means westerners have greater cause to act like thirdies in countries where there are still feudal warlords running around: loot everything not nailed down for a tiny fraction of its social value, because if you don't you have good cause to expect the next guy will

>>97125758
Wokies are less "left" and more "whatever the hell we call Imperial Japan's deal," though. "Minorities have a right to do bad shit until they 'catch up,'" "any leader who tells us to cool it is betraying us and needs to be pulled down," "we are the moral lights of the world and have an inherent right to force ourselves on others (even physically) until they see that," etc. Same as Trump is more Macarthur than anyone else, as a largely-professionally-incompetent prima-donna who vibes really well with thirdie dictators and has a surprising amount of respect for even the low culture of the country he's leading

>>97126430
You can be anti-corporate and still be a libertarian, moron.

>>97126581
Star trek is actually post scarcity communism. They never explicitly state it because this show was made in the us but this is what it is. A communist utopia that is reaching out across to the stars.
Of course people will perform actions despite needing to work. The rich don't need to work but they still do things with their day. But capitalism only cares about actions performed in the service of profit.
The more capitalized a society becomes, the less social capital is used for things like tg stuff and more financial transactions are involved.
De-industrialization in the west only means more industrialization elsewhere. Capitalism is all about the movement of capital. Monopolies are the struggle of our times because western democracies more than ever nowdays fail to regulate the economic system.
The western world never stopped putting the third world down and exploiting it to oblivion. Ask all the countries that have been cia'ed and had their governments overturned for pro western dictators to be installed.
>Wokies are less "left" and more "whatever the hell we call Imperial Japan's deal," though. "Minorities have a right to do bad shit until they 'catch up,'" "any leader who tells us to cool it is betraying us and needs to be pulled down," "we are the moral lights of the world and have an inherent right to force ourselves on others (even physically) until they see that," etc. Same as Trump is more Macarthur than anyone else, as a largely-professionally-incompetent prima-donna who vibes really well with thirdie dictators and has a surprising amount of respect for even the low culture of the country he's leading
Cant really argue with any of that, even if it excludes the fact that Trump is a textbook fascist. The you are with us or against as rhetoric, let's make this country great again, The colonial and territorial ambitions, the concentration camp, the ss round 2 (sorry i meant to say ice). Shit's grim to say the least

>>97126499
LEO? If there's a planet, it's too much setting for other anon. ;)

>>97126589
I mean sure, libertarianism is the ability to fool yourself into believing you're "independent" while you're actually on your knees 24/7.

>>97121132
>Actively drive away all the creatives
>Hunt down any survivors and deport them
>Let the board rot for the next 8 years
>Shit it up on purpose with content farming, bumpfag, 7-day autosage, bot threads and engineered incompetence of mods
>"HURR WHY /tg/ DOESN'T GET SHIT DONE ANYMORE?"
At this point I'm surprised this board exists at all. Should be euthanized in 2022

>>97121193
>let's get shit done!
>Sure, let's start with a few docs for worldbuilding and adventure design
Thanks, but I will skip that stuff

>>97121195
>t. clueless tourist
Here, grab a (You)

t. oldfag

>>97126734
The only reason /tg/ still exists is for the same reason that 4chan as a whole still manages to have life in it: for the oldfags among us, as bad as 4chan has become all of the other options manage to be worse. The fuck are we supposed to go? RPG.net? Twitter or one of its copycats? Reddit? Even if you can stand them, none of them scratch the same itch that 4chan does.

At this point if /tg/ honestly wants to get shit done, the project worth doing is to come up with a new website entirely and try and rebuild our community on our own terms. Something that is in the spirit of 4chan but without just being a direct copy-paste of this place and all of its systemic problems.

>>97126773
>The fuck are we supposed to go
I use /tg/ for:
>share thread
>/BGG/ (which is a pale shadow of itself) to talk board games and quick explaination of more obscure rules of more obscure titles
>generals of the two games I play infrequently
>random thread I didn't filter out (like this one) yet
>once per month making a thread about some specific game, watch it turn into shitlifting competition and blatant bait in first 5 posts, then quietly leave it to rot
I don't think I would be still here if not for share thread.
I virtually don't participate with /tg/ flow, because there is nothing to participate in and no flow at all. I have 70+ hidden threads on all time

>>97126710
okay buddy retard

>>97126653
>grim
Why?

>>97127321
maybe because i am not a piece of shit that hates the very existence of "other" humans and wishes their destruction and thinking that america has fallen so low is in fact pretty grim

You had great artists here that frequented the drawthread, and all of them were chased away

>>97121892
Based honest anon

>>97126653
>Star trek is actually post scarcity communism. They never explicitly state it because this show was made in the us but this is what it is. A communist utopia that is reaching out across to the stars.

Despite what you think Star Trek's Federation is not communist (at least pre-2000), though it is post scarcity. It is something completely different than communist or capitalist. Neither capital nor labor has any inherent value in the Federation. The only things that have any value in the federation are knowledge, comprehension and creativity. It is economically post-scarcity with a libertarian ideology.

Communism is an economic system inherently based on the idea that all labor has equal inherent value and that value is best put to use serving the community as a while rather than the individual. In the Federation, all jobs and labor is done more for the entertainment of the self and others rather than actual need.

>>97124390
Silence, bootlicker.

>>97122617
Damn. It really took 5 hours after your post, for this thread to derail into a political shit-throwing fest. This is very sad.

>>97121203
awful, you mean.

>>97125466
We already rolled those ones, so I think moving onto why the gods were unable to prevent the meteors is key.
Does the pdf have a table for that or close enough?

>>97126308
If I'm not being productive on 4chan, then I am just consuming videos on Youtube.

>>97124210
I imagined it more like G.U.R.P.S. meets Waiting For Godot.

>>97124038
This is my favorite White Wolf game.

>>97124168
>best done on Discord
This is not true. Discord is just full of lurkers that never want to contribute.

>>97121132
If one has a genuinely good idea it's retarded to put it on here for free. Not only are you giving up potential income, anons today are unappreciative faggots who aren't interested in grass roots projects. It's a bunch of work for zero reward, not even the gratification of (You)s. The 2010s are 6 years gone anon.

>>97127317
>disregard that I suck cocks

>>97128187
>totally free speech when one unelected psycho can just permaban everyone he doesn't like
>totally free speech when the polls are repeated as long as idiot owner doesn't like the outcome
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>97129354
Kek. Was going more for an MtG name analog but WW works too.

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>>97129789
Someone should make a World of Darkness version of Magic: the Gathering.

>>97129798
Wdym? I'm not familiar with WW's tropes beyond VtM. Best I can do is
>the wizard cult gathers on Friday evenings for a test of arcane might
>the power structures of the local cabal are in constant flux because of this
>magic can be bought and sold in small discrete quantities
>inert and easily transported until put into self-contained spell packages
>will you ascend the ladder? Fighting the sweatiest "true wizards" (>30 yo virgins)? Or will you languish in the pool of washed up hasbeens and never-greats (casual edh)?

>>97129833
Come to think of it edh is probably more like "circle casting" or hedge wizardry: you need more participants either because you want a greater effect or because your mana reserves/control simply isn't big enough.

>>97127696
>n the Federation, all jobs and labor is done more for the entertainment of the self and others rather
There's 1000 people working on the enterprise to entertain each other?

>>97130191
NTA but entertain isn't the right word.
People work in Star Trek because it helps fulfill them. They could literally spend all day as a holodeck gooner in San Fran instead if they wanted.
Part of the optimism of the series is the idea that people will work just as hard (and sometimes even harder) voluntarily as they do currently at the threat of violence or starvation.

>>97130455
NTA >>97130191, but I don't think that's exactly true. Holodeck (and replicator) privileges are *part* of the draw IIRC. The others of course being doing something worthwhile with your life, traveling the cosmos, discovery, researching space phenomena, making contact with other civilizations and breathing literally the same air as them as you walk their homeworlds. Achievement for achievement's sake.

>>97129798
iirc there was a VtM and a werewolf one but they never got up to Mage the Abstractioning.

>>97121892
lol fgt

>>97122790
just stole your map for a youtube video

>>97124034
nope you are

>>97124210
No, you don't have to consider any of those things.

>>97129785
>totally free speech when one unelected psycho can just permaban everyone he doesn't like
While I do disagree with this behavior, you've been banned from one website. On all of the internet. There are a near-infinite amount of other places you can go - 4chan, reddit, tumblr, facebook, the over 9000 twitter clones like gab or bluesky, fuckin' shit I'm pretty sure you can make your own damn internet forums still pretty easily and I'm sure a handful still exist somewhere online you could visit. There is a difference between elon being a retard and banning you from twitter and the police knocking on your door because you made an offensive joke.
>totally free speech when the polls are repeated as long as idiot owner doesn't like the outcome
Yes, that's free speech, they are using their right to speech to spam a poll, you can do the exact same.

Ultimately, you're the one who misunderstands free speech. While I, personally, fundamentally disagree with the idea of banning people you don't like, and I do agree it shouldn't be practiced, the concept of free speech ultimately boils down to you having the freedom to speak your mind without fear of government reprisal. And, short of a few very small select limitations (Credible threats to sane persons which is very strict in its definition legally, incitement to violence which again is very strict in what it means legally, and libel/slander which are nearly impossible to be charged for in court due to again very strict legal definitions, though I personally could do without those as well provided the 2A wasn't constantly being infringed by unconstitutional shit from the ATF so I could properly defend myself), there is nothing the government can really do to you in the USA.

Shit on trump? He can't do anything about it. Whine about Elon? He can't do anything about it. Shit, you're exercising it right here by criticizing elon. Your own posts prove the value of free speech.

>>97131194
Then your "game" will fall apart because the players will get bored because you're a lazy faggot and they know it. They'll see that your "game" could be run with different colored cubes in a featureless white void and they'll leave you to go play actual TTRPGs instead of your retarded lootslop borderlands bullshit.

>>97125758
>he doesn't know

>>97126396
capitalism is good faggot

>>97126453
in what way do you imagine this will stop neckbeardia stealing your shit?

>>97126653
so fascism is good then

>>97127364
stop invading other nations retard

>>97131241
No, my game is going just fine. Sucks to suck, storyshitter.

>>97125485
i miss spoony

>>97121858
>bubble, ninja, grape
lolwut

>>97131252
What, that the stormfags can still fuck off?

>>97125758
>pushing to overuse the term faggot to such a degree that it no longer served as an insult, taking away its power.
That's some insane revisonismfagging.

>>97131363
NAYRT, but I always saw it as a refuge in obscenity. Just being so edgy it lost all meaning for the yuks. Like that Lucifer Niggerbastard book.

>>97121132
Becsuse all the actually creative people left.

>>97121892
Based adult poster.
I gave up posting homebrew or participating in threads not because I was getting my feelings hurt per se, but because of >>97123709 - the overwhelming majority of interactions were husks trying to hurt feelings in the lowest possible effort way, instead of hobbyists having fun together.
>>97126282 - the whole point is that there's barely any constructive crit because NPCs are too busy being retarded. The return on the effort put in is so sparse that it is barely worth it.

As for the neckbeardia problem - no, I don't care if someone is 'stealing and monetising my shit', I wasn't going to, I'm not writing it so I can say I wrote it first, and them stealing it doesn't prevent me from playing it.
They are dog cunts for being solely-extractive low effort community exploiters though.

>>97131266
Because you can just go to Youtube, Drivethru or any other platform and point out how the content is actually from a thread, document or social media made by other anons? I'm sad to tell you you need to do some work at one point either archiving or posting, complaining and bitching alone won't do.

>>97131558
I think that anon is asking "do you expect this to actually achieve anything", not "what do you want this to achieve".
Neckbeardia's audience don't give a shit, youtube don't give a shit, the law doesn't give a shit.
No-one except us gives a shit, and we have no power there.

>>97131598
Obviously with that shit attitude you won't achieve anything never. Self-defeatism is a self-fullfiling prophecy for the lazy.

>>97127364
Why? First off, humans are naturally xenophobic to some extent. Second, no the current regime doesn't hate the existence of other people and wishes they didn't exist. You can certainly say that the current regime is kleptocratic, or economically disadvantageous for the common man, or whatever; but to call is fascist is just objectively incorrect.

Furthermore, a lot of people don't understand Trump. I was in a position to advise the president of Columbia University, and I told her that Trump is a blowhard and a narcissist. He doesn't actually believe in anything he says and that the thing with protesting students doesn't fucking matter. She should've kept ignoring him and just doing her own thing, because the budget was never his to decide. The way to get him to back down is to put him on the spot and tell him to put up or shut up. I told her:
>ignore him
>approach Congressmen that you know personally for budget privately
>publicly, invite the Russian and the Chinese ambassador in NYC for a dinner
>announce publicly that you talked about "budgetary alternatives"
That would've gotten him to back the fuck down and pull out completely, because it would've exposed his lack of power.

Instead she did the retarded thing, gave him attention, and accepted his demands as being real. Which is why she's out of a job right now. Oh well.

>>97129776
You still need to prove why being a libertarian automatically means you're pro-corporation, you fucking mongoloid.

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>>97131524
So you ignore the NPCs, obviously. That's what I do.

And ultimately, this place is better than any other community out there, unfortunately. Reddit has no-no words, and some games are flat out banned (for instance you can't talk about ACKS on r/rpg and r/osr because Macris is a Nazi). Twitter is unusable for dialogue, as is bluesky. Facebook is overrun by bots. IG is terrible for dialogue. Almost all the forums are dead or retarded. RPG.net is a cesspit of censorious fucks, RPG Codex is more about video game RPGs, ENWorld is essentially dead, RPGPundit is full of mouthbreathers and goes too far in the other direction. 7c's /tg/ board is dead. 8c is full of pedophiles.

Unfortunately, this place is as good as it gets, which is fucking AWFUL but here we are.

>>97131335
lol furious

>>97131558
so what? he's still going to steal it. do you think anyone who watches them gives a fuck who made it? their views won't be affected at all.

>>97125758
No it wasn't. I learned crime stats and to hate niggers from 4chan in 2008. Niggers and faggots were never welcome here. Traps were the only exception

>>97131718
so you don't have any plan to achieve anything.

>>97131786
You know there's a better place than 4chan, right? One that is, in fact, TWICE as good as 4chan, if you catch my drift.

Watch me get banned for this post because you're wrong, this place is just as censorious as reddit. the tranny jannies are all from there, for one.

>>97131920
I mentioned it as 8c. It's full of pedophiles and actively shit.

>>97131972
Sure, if by "full of pedophiles" you mean "actively flooded with CP and subsequently reported by malicious external actors" like every other site that presents a threat to the media monopolies. It's nothing new.

>actively shit
Nobody who wasn't part of the exodus in the 10s and remained here like a battered housewife has the right to say that.

>>97131786
I'm put off reddit by their poor taste in games and stance on piracy, but otherwise I agree.

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>>97131301
>using storyshitter unironically

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>>97124401
>still one of the biggest places for free speech on the net, however. They did let lefties in the door

>>97131997
Oh my sweet sweet newfag. I've left this place back during the grey area days. Remember those? No, you probably weren't even born back then. I came back because the alt-chans do not have the same kind of base that 4chan does. Unfortunately. I wish it were the case, but alas.

>>97131804
At this point is clear you only want to bitch and moan. Please stop wasting my time with your garbage negativity and your ragebait engagement farming.

>>97132090
You have a low IQ

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>>97132131
And you're a hypocritical faggot. KYS.

>>97130465
Holodeck and replicator access on a starship is limited because it's a starship. They're much easier to access if you're on a federation planet.

People in starfleet are still motivated by ambition; they want promotions, they want accolades, they want status, so they can get laid with other real, high-status people.

>>97121132
1) The "/tg/" gets shit done" was always to some extent a false, self-aggrandizing meme. Most successful /tg/ projects were completed by small groups of dedicated people offsite. Community attempts at something e.g. arthropocalypse almost always died.

2) The quality of /tg/ and every other 4chan board is infinitesimally lower than it was when the internet was more diffuse, access to it was more restricted and the overall population of users was smaller. The population here now is just literally not capable of even understanding things on the same level as the 4chan of yesteryear, let alone creating them.

>>97132742
>fascism more oppressive than communism
Undercover leftist shill or simple retard? Call it.

>>97133485
Can you read, nigga?

>>97133794
Clearly not

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>>97131807
Lol?

>>97131788
Reminder old /tg/ laughed at RaHoWa because it was so fucking stupid. You have always been the punchline.

>>97131403
Anon was trying to say we were actively trying to overuse faggot to take it back and depower it as a slur. 4chan was not that kind of political activism.

>>97131173
Post the video, I'd like to see what you did with it.