Why are TCGs like this?
>>97130035Often it's a meme or mascot card that is OP cause someone thought it would be funny to make the "broken" card look "cute." Or it's a weak monster have a swarm ability that makes it broken. You also have that classic forgotten card from years past that get broken when combine with newer cards.
>>97130035High power/cost cards are rarely meta shaping because the game needs to progress in a certain direction for you to even get the chance to play them. Low power/cost cards radically alter the entire trajectory of the meta because they come out first in every game.
Make that ~100 USD for mint condition.
>>97130035>if your opponent blinksShitty reactive card that gives control over the effect to the opponent.>you may [...] for free during your turnPerfect player agency, costless and flexible at that. Godly card.
>>97130035Stronger cards have to have restrictive cost to prevent them from making the game unfun. This means most pro's won't play them since actually playing them will be a rarity.Weaker cards that have low cost will generally see more play due to being the first cards to be played because it generates value the longer the game goes on so playing it early will give you more value and playing something early is generally a good idea so the best low cost creature will always see play.
>>97130035Because effects are more powerful than attack stats.
>>97130087kek truuuue
>>97130035TCGs purposefully include "Timmy cards" that look impressive to young and/or stupid players but aren't really worth the time/cost to field. Whereas once you get older and/or more experienced you start to value stuff like synergy, utility, and numbers. Back in the 90's a classic turn 1 combo was dark ritual + hypnotic specter so you could start hammering the oppponent and messing up his hand right away.
>>97130925One of the main reasons I love the classic reanimator combo archetype in MTG is that it gives you a way to effectively use big ass stupid monsters. Slamming aurelia onto the battlefield field turn 3 via ardyn, the usurper, and using her combat trigger to create ANOTHER 5/5 with haste, lifelink, and menace and attack a second time in the same turn is just awesome. One of the best things about tarkir:dragonstorm was how the dragons had a cheap breath weapon effect that could be cast warly on if you had too many dragons in your hand, and the dragon would come back around anyway.
>>97130087>>97130035>if I close my eyes for a few seconds, it doesn't count as blink!>nu-uh!
>>97130925>Whereas once you get older and/or more experienced you start to value stuff like synergy, utility, and numbers.*card advantage and tempo (read: become tryhard )
>>97130994>Everyone plays tournies in huge mirror finish shades because there are no rules restricting player attire
>>97131021Removing pants can be done at any time, and does not use the stack.
Because people understand speed is the main factor to win in a card game
>>97130035i have never understood the appeal of tcgs
>>97131426do you understand the appeal of anything you don't personally appreciate? if so, you can always bootstrap
>Why is a card that I'll never get to play not as good as a card I can play on the first turn in every match?
>>97130035Top card is interactive, bottom card is not. Top card is higher cost and thus lets the opponent interact more times before it's played than the bottom card that's playable turn 1.Card games in their entirety are just a race to make your deck as uninteractive as possible, and to deny the opponent as much agency as possible. Top is therefore a bad card or at best a sideboard card if the opponent's deck requires him to blink to win.
>>97131974Also bottom card lets you as the player generate interactions arbitrarily because there's probably some card out there that says "each time you eat garbage..." to combo it with.
Literally filler for card packs to be sold. You churn through the 1000 Cyber Commandos to find the 1 Blue Eyes.
*kills you*
Consider the following
>>97130078Honestly this card that feels like an over tuned mana dork being mythical makes me so much more annoyed with its existence. Like the card's flavor and being intended as a slightly better mana dork really makes me feel like it was intended for be a lower rarity card but in the playtesting they realized it was busted as shit and instead of fixing it they just bumped it to mythical and called it a day.
>>97130035Jesus christ the garbage eating isn't even capped? You can do it an unlimited number of times? What were they fucking THINKING
>>97130035Your deck is garbage>gobbles it
>>97130994>>97130087if you keep rolling your eyes most of your eye gets rehydrated, negating the need to blink for long enough to win the game easily.
>>97130035Raccoons were the best thing about Bloomburrow.
this card is so simple a monkey could understand and yet warps every format it's legal in around iti hate it
>>97135368I actually really like Lightning Bolt in its simplicity. Excellent exercise in the design space of the game that it exists in.Variants that are slightly worse are more healthy though, I feel pretty confident in thinking. R for 2 damage at instant speed, R for 3 damage but it's at sorcery speed, 1R for 3 damage, etc.
>>97135823Incinerate was a favorite of mine. When it was released and after there were plenty of regenerating shitters to use it on.
uh oh
>>97130035that raccoon is my friend
>>97130035In MtG, the problem with most fuckhuge/fuckhuge creatures that instantly win the game when played is that they have such a high manacost that by the time you could actually play it you either should be able to win regardless, or you've already lost. Hence why the best cards tend to be cheap stuff with strong effects for their cost, that you can play early to get a head start on your opponent. There's a reason why even in Commander, a format pretty much tailor-made for playing fuckhuge/fuckhuge creatures, one of the best and most iconic cards is "cost 1 mana, tap to generate 2 mana".Now, huge and expensive creatures can be good if you have a way to cheat them in without paying the manacost, like in reanimator decks, but that requires you to specifically work around the intended limitations of such cards.
>>97135368Bolt has been powercrept for last 5 years anon, it wouldn't see standard play
>>97136068This is your greatest ally?
>>97136135I disagree. you will hardly find a better deal than 3 damage for 1 red pip at instant speed.It was so fucking good everything else was measure to it and immediately failed because Lightning Bolt is King. They went to every length to nerf/shelve it away>Went from common to uncommonPeople still kept using it>Made it rarePeople didnt care, still used it because everyone has at least 24+ copies of the darn thing>ended up with having to stop printing it because Mark Rosewater admitted the existence of Lightning Bolt was limiting creative space for the designers in any set it ended up being inSo now we have to live in a world where Lightning Bolt got turbonerfed into Lightning Strike, a subpar, terrible dogshit replacement.>Shock?Shock was always meant to be main boarded ALONG with Lightning Bolt, it was Baby Bolt for stuff you didn't want to was a Lightning Bolt for, such as Birds of Paradise.>Keep Calm and Bolt the BirdShock is the better alternative because in a metagame where creatures with bonkers toughness like Kor Celebrant, Bayou Groff, Beloved Beggar are both cheap and resilient early game blockers
>>97136135It really hasn't. Even Galvanic Discharge is only situationally better in an energy deck, since it can't hit face.
>>97136335>>97136355Bolt wouldn't see play in current standard because it's not a lessonBolt wouldn't see play in pioneer because it can't deal with prowess cards that can be pumped beyond 3 toughness with rage. Swiftspear + rage = 3 toughness = unplayable. Just pick push. Bolt currently doesn't see any modern play and hasn't for the longest time. If you want to go face do something else, if you want to play removal play unholy fire, push, whatever.Bolt just doesn't work as reliable removal, you can go face with it but RDW has access to boltweave, rage and other tools that make it redundant. Yes, it's more flexible, no it doesn't matter because you have more efficient tools that either have synergy with other cards or are barely worse side grades. 3 damage for r and a card isn't efficient enough
>>97135368>and yet warps every format it's legal in around itcommander, where there's six times the life to burn
>>97130087
>>97130035Why shouldn't they be like this?
>>97139272Because subverting expectations isn't interesting anymore
>>97139331Huh? What expectations?
>>97139332Big demon = scaryLittle animal = pedestrian, not even a threat
>>97130035How are you ever going to play your Horf'Dakath, World Shaker when I've already won the game 5 turns before you could afford to cast it because I gained an insane advantage from eating all of my garbage for free? You only change this by going the Yugioh route of making eating all of your garbage for free the default
>>97139494What does that have to do with the rules of a game?
>>97131002You don't have many friends
>>97131002Why wouldn't you try to win?
>>97139501They put the scary art on a non-scary text There I explained the comic for you
>>97139517No expectations, you lose.
>>97130078>bro 72 bucks for meme cardgame based on cartoon I watched 20 years agoZillennials were a mistake.
>>97139494>>97139523
Yep, you lose.
>>97139523>>97139540What exactly did I lose?
>he doesn't know
>>97139562>he thinks it be like it do but it dont
>>97136230A hero without peer.
>>97134111I actually tried this.>>97134139factsI went for mice, my ex went for raccoons, at the prerelease. She honestly had a better deck than I did, I just piloted mine better. Then I did a draft a month later and did raccoons and went 2-1, only lost to the guy who actually won the tournament later.
>>97139935>I actually tried this.and? how well did it work?
>>97135368Best MTG card and the reason I still play red to this day. It's simple, it's easy, it's elegant."Nooo but I have a 9001 card scry exile convoke ripple toxic megamorph combo" meanwhile I'm dealing damage to your face with a bunch of funny fire cards and a couple random goblins.
>>97136476RDW was running Lightning Strike and Boltweave, it would 100% run Bolt. I don't think you understand just how format-warping it can be.>ProwessYou need THREE spells to make Swiftspear immune (since they can just hit it with the 2nd trigger on the stack).
>>97130035playing something early/at low cost always beats out playing something late/at high costso many of the most broken effects revolve around getting more cards out first or getting more and more efficient resources earlier than your opponent, one big guy with a 'fuck you' effect will not matter when you die to a swarm of little shitter rats that cost next to nothing to dump onto the board five turns before you can play him
>>97130078>Additional green mana from manadorksPretty much a 2 cost green only mana reflection for Jaheira, Friend of the Forest + whatever spews out tokens for your colors.
>>97130035In YGO:>Horf'Dakath isn't seachable>requires your normal summon>requires other setup bullshit>gets rekt by handtraps>you could make a better endboard with the investment>Racoon is searchable and has a whole archetype around it>eating garbage is the new top meta strat as it lets you negate the entire board at countertrap speed>it gets abused in non-racoon decks to bring out an annoying boss/floodgateIn MtG:>Horf'Dakath has several double colored mana symbols in its cost, making it unsplashable>no ETB>costs more than 4 mana, might as well not exist>everyone sides "crypt of blinkmod" against it, as it lets you remove all blinks from the game>no trample, gets chumpblocked>Racoon enables several 2 card combos focused on the eating garbage mechanic>eating garbage doesn't go on the stack>you can eat infinite garbage, gain infinite life and make each opponent lose infinite life, by turn 3, with just racoon and one of other 4 cards with the same garbage abuse effect (you run playsets all 4 for redundancy)In pokemon:>Horf'Dakath uses several different types of energy to attack>also a stage 2, to a shitty evo line>everyone runs "blinkymo", a 150 hp non-ex basic with an ability that lets you disregard blinks if it's in the bench or active>Racoon is a basic with 120 hp>It's stage 2 has an ability that says "this pokemon may evolve directly from "Racoon" if you've eaten garbage this turn, you may attach 1 energy card from your deck to it for each time you've eaten garbage this turn">it has an attack that causes damage relative to how much garbage you've eatenIn One Piece:>Horf'Dakath doesn't have any keyword abilities, and the blink ability is activated, dies to Teach>6 cost, costly but inside cost-reduction/removal range>off-meta color>new Condoriano leader lets one blink ability cancel the last blink activated ability, if you keep blinking you don't lose>Racoon gets abused by Zoro animal decks, as it's easily brought out by Chopper
>>97130035You already made this thread on /v/ anon.
>>97130925Where is this guy's attack points? What the fuck does it even attack with? Is it that number 4 in the top corner?
>>97151749It has 7 power and 7 toughness as indicated by "7/7" in the bottom right corner.
>>97151749You're familiar with MTG and you know how the cards work.
>>97153095Not really I haven't played MTG once, I just know it has a mana system. Currently looking to try Commander just to see how the game performs.
>>97153201Wrong.
>>97153209Right, now post some commander deck profile recs, I wanna see what you MTG fags see in this game.
>>97153201>>97154620Commander isn't mtg. It has none of the 2 player tempo that makes the mechanics of mtv work. The fact that so many people pretend it makes sense at all or is even fun is some emperors new clothes shit.
>>97154748based fellow cum-mander hater
>>97154748OK then which format should I try and what deck?
>>97154940Draft, pauper or standard exclusively on arena.
>>97130925Ironically og black usually used LotP or Nightmare as it's finisher
>>97130950>fartin, the poo slurper
>>97130925>muh timmehs>instead of simply calling it bad game designyes, making every color some flavor of monored aggro and balancing it around 2cmc with 4+cmc card being game warpers or wincons by themselves truly is heckin high IQ
>>97130035I'm spawning infinite Raccoon tokens while beating you in a staring contest and there's fuck all you can do about it.
>>97155450>Lord does 7 damage.>I feed it a Thrull.
>>97130035The difference between (1) and (0) is much larger than you would think.
>>97151749The number 4 means it costs 7 mana to play - 4 of any color, and 3 which must be blackIt will generally take 7-14 turns before you can play this monster, playing it will consume all your resources for the turn.In YGO terms I think it would be something like>10* DARK Fiend>ATK 4000/4000>Must be Normal Summoned using 3 DARK monsters as Tribute, cannot be Summoned/Set in other ways. When this card battles it inflicts Piercing damage. Can attack directly unless your opponent controls a Dragon, Winged-Beast or Wyrm. Cannot attack in the turn it is Summoned. Each Standby Phase you must Tribute 1 other monster you control or take 4000 damage.
>>97158569I'm assuming that even if it's usually a dead draw there's still some unconventional way to make use of something with a statline that high, like sacrificing it to power up something else.
>>97158596There's some ways, usually involving getting it in without paying the mana cost (there's more than a few cards that let you play a creature by paying life instead of mana). Also, while by modern standards LotP is very expensive for what it does, especially with a drawback of requiring you to sacrifice your other creatures or take damage, early Magic had relatively weak creatures so it was comparatively better back when it was printed (there's kind of a funny thing with Magic where some of the early non-creature cards are to this day among the best cards ever printed, but early creatures are almost universally dogshit).
>>97157154You just know
>>97136476Bolt would be played in those prowess decks
Currently in mtg standard, one is a format warping card in 7/8 decks of the world championship and the other one is unplayable
TCG's fucking blow.get a real hobby, build a model kit
>>97159264Model kits are just easily breakable action figures. You may as well make them yourself.
>>97130925While the art on this one is good Summoned Skull totally blows him out of the water(or pit). Rare case of the copy being better than the original.
>>97159264I will but no yet, first I need some free time and I also have to stop sucking at sand papering the places where the sprue is connected to the model. The previous kit I build has some noticeably marks.
>>97131426autism
>>97159563it's okay to suck, buddy. There's only one way to get better and it's to suck less with each try.
>>97158811Bringer reanimator is playable though. It would have won the finals if the judges hadn't let seth walk his own misplay back lmao
>>97151562quality post
>>97131426It's like playing a fantasy RTS with Roguelite mechanics.
>>97135368Lightning Bolt isn't as strong as people say it is (but it is strong) and people only get mad because it's efficient. Wish it was legal in every format.
>>97130078>avatar gets playable cards but mlp cards are unglued.fucking fuck this gay earth
>>97136476>Bolt wouldn't see play in pioneer because of deck that would play 4 bolts lol
>>97136476>Bolt wouldn't see play in current standard because it's not a lessonIt wouldn't fit in the lessons deck. However, I cannot emphasize enough how good "deal 3 damage for 1 mana" is.>Swiftspear + rage = 3 toughness = unplayableYour math isn't mathing, bro. A creature with 3 toughness when it takes 3 damage.Also, you're really suggesting that gruul prowess wouldn't swap out the burst lightnings for lightning bolt in a heart beat?>Bolt currently doesn't see any modern play and hasn't for the longest time.It gets played in Izzet Prowess. Other decks swap it out for Galvanic discharge.
Reminder that anyone who has ever said "timmy" thinks they're too clever to pay 3 mana for a 5/4 with upside and has lost games to people playing the obviously powerful creatures.Counter it all you want, I'm not drawing any more lands, there's only 9 more in my deck.
>>97159298Stop buying dogshit kits from shitty companies then.>>97159563Get some snippers and learn how to use them properly. Take your time - it's not a race. If you want practice and you can vibe with transformers, try the Classic Class Blokees (not the blind boxes, the actual kits). They're easy to build, don't require glue or even snippers if you know what you're doing, and take maybe 20 minutes at most to put together, and look good without paint. Plus, they come with a light up feature that you can replace if it dies and they're 5-10 USD depending on when and where you buy them.
>>97151562In Digimon:>Horf can digivolve into the Raccoon, which can further digivolve into a cyborg Raccoon that can eat both garbage and scrap metal, or a naughty nun in a Raccoon costume that can 1HKO anything demon-related.
>>97163887I disagree. I use the player archetypes when discussing decks all the time. Just not derisively. Good cards are good, and good players can take advantage of them very straightforwardly to good effect.I'm more of a Johnny, myself, but that hasn't stopped me from occasionally just building aggro decks where I go "check out this sick creature that generates value and can beat your ass."
>>97151562I enjoyed this.
>>97130035Garbage gives +1/+0 to any creature you control but costs 1 mana.Racoon can do it for free so it's a 1 cost bear with upside.
>>97130035>Worried about muggers? You should buy a gun to defend yourself>Worried about muggers? You should buy a nuke to defend yourselfWhy are people telling me the nuke is bad advice?!!! Nukes are way stronger than guns
>>97130035autism is really the answer and quite frankly it is the wild card in whether it is responsible for something good or bad. Mostly bad, but sometimes good comes out of autism.
>>97130035Because literally any card that lets you do shit for free is bound to be busted in one way or another.
>>97158811this is stupid one card is obviously an engine piece and the other card is a payoff, both cards are good
>>97130035Love me a raccoon card
>>97130078Earthbend returning the land to play if it gets removed is so fucking stupid. Can't have any risk whatosever in cards these days, everything must be pure upside.
