Previous: >>97143392>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Gay Bolashttps://e621.net/posts?tags=nicol_bolas>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQDo you have a landfall deck?
>>97149270>Do you have a landfall deck?Of course!
>TQNo. Seems incredibly boring, and even when the ability to loop lands from the graveyard it will run out of gas eventually and will stall longer than other decks.
i have some questions about this card. I was lucky to pull it from a chocobo bundle and im interested in building it.So, the effect where if a creature you dont control dies, return it to the owners battlefield and draw a card.Can you use cards like Warren Soultrader to sac their creature, gain a treasure, then hand it back to them to draw? I think you can use any sac effect to basically get the sac benefit and draw a card. seems really powerful.Another scenario but im not sure about, is cards that exile a creature, like the new Chaos Shrine's Black Crystal or Conjurer's Closet etc.Can you exile their card as its dying to draw a card and stil gain a benefit from exiling it and not have to hand them back the card?My current thief deck is Laughing Jasper Flint which i might pull apart to make Edea.
>>97149270should I make this guy
post deck
>>97149287I wouldn't. its just simic landfall in a white pair of pants.
>>97149287No.
>>97149280If your opponents aren't dead by the time you run out of gas with a landfall deck, your deck sucks ass.
>>97149270>Do you have a landfall deck?All chads do.>>97149280Everything about this post is wrong
>>97149303>>97149304Every landfall deck is bad and suck by default. Nice try though.
I played and won two games with Kraven tonight. Yep, it's Kravin' time.
>>97149270>TQKarametra and Selesnya Slop player since 2014 and that’s never going to change
Fun fact: there is not a single human alive who built this commander.
>>97149357I know a few people workshopping her currently.
>>97149357Only because I didn't know about it before now
>>97149357Just like how there’s no fanbase for whatever franchise this character comes from.
>>97149357She has 4k decks on edhrec.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97149306Anon was Kraven some wins
>>97149357Dear god, for once the WotC art looks less mannish than the actual character
>>97149388That;s basically nothing and just deck lists that were never made
>>97149399Take the L
I show up at the table with this as my commander, your response?
>>97149397wokestrong women always have these awkward manlet vibes
>>97149397its the overly square chin out of everything, I think, that makes her so mannish
>>97149457i ask if you have other customs and if so see them, if not then just shuffle up
>came back to play after not playing since gate crash around the time of BRO>No idea UB was really a thing >Transformers cards? That's weird but whatever.>See black Aragon.>Immediately think it's tefari and the point of UB was established mtg characters would get up to bullshit and have to save the alternate dimensions by playing the same rolls the actual characters.>That's a neat idea I guess>This was just a fever dream and not the actual real life timelineSome might argue that would just make every UB a hat set, but UB would still feel more like actual magic.
I like how ub schizos are going through bargaining now
I'm playing another board wipe. Any responses?
>>97149556Thank you for dealing with the token spammer and Sliver player.
>>97149556>casts flawless maneuvernothing personnel kid
>>97149570anon, I...
>>97149457I'd ask how you plan on getting more 1/1 counters on this in mono black. Only repeatable option I remember is Unspeakable Symbol. There's one or two instants but that doesn't seem reliable.
>>97149457Did you pick Nashandra on purpose or was that a happy accident?
>>97149281>Can you use cards like Warren Soultrader to sac their creature, gain a treasure, then hand it back to them to draw? I think you can use any sac effect to basically get the sac benefit and draw a card.Yes>Can you exile their card as its dying to draw a card and stil gain a benefit from exiling it and not have to hand them back the card?No
>>97149556That's okay, I haven't recovered from the last one anyway. I'll still bitch and moan at you, of course.
>>97149556As long as it misses all of my enchantments and artifacts that are giving me value, fire away captain.
>tfw nobody plays a board wipe
>>97149357more importantly, how is her game?it seems to actually have a fan base, but it looks like the most generic open worldslop
>>97149556I don't play creatures lmao
>>97149306Kraven this penis
>>97149556NOOOOOOOI OVEREXTENDED AGAIN AND NOW HAVE NO CARDS IN HANDDONT DOOOO EEEEIIIT
>>97149686you sicken me
>>97149705t. immy
>>97149556Yes, I will ask you to calmly and rationally explain how this advanced you plan to win in the next 3 turns and not make the game take an extra hour. If you can't the spell is countered.
If people are allow to play those incredible lazy guest cards that are just pictures of comics/tv shows i can play my proxies with custom art, at least i put efford in making the card looking the color it should be and add framing
>>97149637>>97149281As long as the effect doesn't replace the dying itself with exiling, you would be able to order the trigger effects so that the exile happens first, then the return it to the battlefield and draw a card.The exiled card can't return to the battlefield but you still draw the card.
>TQLandfall is the most slop archetype. It's worse than tribal.
>>97149281Creature still needs to hit the grave to trigger, you can exile it then in response to not have it return and still draw a card. Alternatively, you can let it not come back at all
>>97149270>TQNo. It makes me mad the only hatebear that shuts off landfall so aggressively fucks everybody else and paints a huge target on itself. I want a version of this on a 2/3 for 3 flyer that only shuts off lands entering and no double effect.
>>97149304Post deck
>>97150332
>>97150345>shuts off opponent A's demolition field that could take out opponent B's landbruh moment
>>97150345Not even close to the same.
>>97149593NTA but I have a similar deck, there are more options than you'd think in monoblack (I've omitted the ones that only work after the declare attackers step, since that doesn't work for anon's fake commander)>Duskfang Mentor>Fain, the Broker>Blade of the Bloodchief>The Ozolith (if you have other creatures with 1/1s on them that die)>Ring of Xathrid>Sadistic Glee>Feast on the Fallen>Necrosynthesis>Eternal Thirst>C.A.M.P.>Moxite Refinery>Agatha's Soul Cauldron>Tarrian's Soulcleaver>Ghost Lantern>The Aetherspark>Novice Dissector>Fire Nation Sentinels>Drannith Ruins>Spymaster's Vault>Tyrite Sanctum>Anything that proliferates (Aetheric Amplifier, Staff of Compleation, Karn's Bastion)could find more but scryfall is broken
This card is so much fun in Shattergang
Today I learned about Malcolm/Breeches combo.
>>97150332>hatebear>4/7
Any cool secret or hidden tech I should consider for building this guy? I want to build around treasures mostly and extra combats
>most braindead commander ever>hey guys is they're any secret tech?
>>97150531>>97150345anyway, I ramp out, take 30 and win the game with a billion triggers. nice try tho
>>97150603I play this with all your landfall triggers on the stack
I always have it
>>97150616Yes.
>>97150616What did you think I was mulliganing for?
>>97150593Listen FAG I don't play a lot of rakdos and I wanna know if there are any cool treasure, sac or extra combat techs one might not find with a typical scryfall search BITCH
>>97149287I did because I like chocobos and it's fun.
>>97150654Yeah... the landfall player surely won't have mana to spend on this...
>>97150571Instead of extra combats just double his trigger
>>97150636>what do you think I was larping for?
>>97150680I have firebender's ascension from prerelease but I couldn't find any other attack trigger doublers in mono red. I guess I'll have to pick up strionic or Pete's camera
>>97149397That's was only Forbidden West Aloy. The art on the card is clearly Zero Dawn aloy, who didn't have the fat chin.
>>97150658Well now I'm definitely not helping you now
>>97150658Treasure strategies are some of the most boring and broken shit imaginable in MTG. I have no interest in helping you make the game more degenerate with infinite treasure token generations.
I want to make a mono white tribal deck that isn’t humans, knights, soldiers or angels. What’s left?
>>97150757Dw it's gonna happen anyway and I'm gonna cast YOUR cards from YOUR graveyard that I milled from YOUR deck and you'll thank me too
>>97150770No, because I will be exiling anything that hits any graveyard
>>97150766ClericsGiants maybe?Walls?
>>97150770Theft is also the most brainless thing. You don't even have to have a strategy. Your gameplan is just whatever your opponents deck is doing lmao. Treasures + theft is peak soulless babby tardslop
>>97150766Griffins
>>97150766Clerics and Warriors
>>97150766Spirits, birds, cats, phyrexians...?There might be enough Ixalan monowhite vampires to make a full deck of them, that would be kinda funny
>>97150835Slop.
>>97150766Cats>>97150786I kneel>>97150815Theft is a fun side strat for value also it makes dumb losers seeth.>>97150835Oh this is actually really neat.
>>97150820That might be the one. Thanks.
>>97150766Rebels
TQ: im thinking of making a Rendmaw deck with a landfall theme so it has a bit more going on then just birds. Anyone build it yet?
>>97150668>funFun? Fun!?
>>97149270>TQI opened a cool Choco, so maybe I'll get around to building that. Landfall with a splash of birds .
>>97150675Even with 10 or more lands, paying 2 for EVERY trigger adds up quickly.
>>97149270I made a Tifa deck
>>97150875>Theft goodCope
>>97149556Yea yea Matt you suck at the game. Il cast Clever concealment, maybe Dawns Truce, heoric intervention, uhh flare of fortiude, Change of Plans, Teferis protection, maybe Guardian of Faith, Galadril's Dismissal. Im ready for your bullshit
I have a landfall subtheme in a battlecruiser deck but I couldn't imagine building an actual landfall deck. Genuinely the most braindead possible archetype. I have never seen a landfall player that I assumed was ensouled.
>>97149556sure, it won't stop me
Is it just me or ar card prices way up recently? Is it because of christmas?
>>97151095Just depends on what cards. Seems a lot of FF cards have tanked. Reserve list seems about the same aside from like Gaea’s Cradle.
>turn 1Mountain, Sol Ring, Arcane Signet>turn 2Plains, Lightning AoO, Raubahn BoAM>turn 3Buster Sword, Boros Charm [Double Strike on Lightning]Attack with LAoO and RBoAM, attach Buster Sword to Lightning, deal 6 damage in first damage phase, play Twinflame Tyrant, deal 32 damage in second damage phase, play Soul's Fire [Lightning at Player] and deal 48 damageThat's my current ultimate Christmasland goldfish combo, turn 3 and 86 damage (also gaining 78 life).In theory, Soul's Fire could be replaced with any other spell (that costs less than 24 mana), but nothing in my current decklist is better than 6 damage x8.
>>97151095yeah, I could watch the prices climb in real time for my mono black big mana demons deck
>>97151131doom bladeresponse?
>>97151215Flawless Maneuver
>>97151128People cracking Chocobo Bundles means supply ramped up.
>>97150658No youre just a FF tourist be honest at least
>>97151131Exile Simian Spirit GuideExile Elvish Spirit GuideRite of FlameVexing BaubleManamorphose for UUThoracleConsultation
>>97150337https://moxfield.com/decks/DAhte3U86EabbqFWkCMDmg
>>97149304>>97151438GREEN QUEEN
>>97150910Rebels are actually pretty strong, but all the searching and shuffling makes it boring
>>97151452>strong>rebelsyeah 25 years ago in standard There was a guy back in the day who altered his rebels edh deck to be starwars themed which was more cool than strong. this is what UB took from us. https://imgur.com/QeYvMsE
>>97149357I barely know anything about the game she's from, but she seems interesting enough as a commander. Simic artifact creatures is definetly an unique niche
>>97151525that would be cool if the payoff wasn't cascade with training wheels
>>97151131Turn 1 Bruce BannerTurn 2 Moonmist into HulkTurn 3 Caltrops and attack for infinite combatsMuch easier godhand and you can even say HULK SMASH while doing it
>>97151401but anon you're missing one black mana
>>97151534I mean you can use other payoffs. The commander is just there for card advantage. It's fun building an archetype in the "wrong" colors
>>97151560by that logic you could just be playing artifact creatures with tatyova
>>97151508Rebels works as a Grindy white weenie deck with equips, vehicles, tons of board wipe and removal. Also decent with rule of law effects.
>>97151322Not on surge foils tho.
>>97151544>you can even say HULK SMASH
>>97151584What's elspeth's catchphrase again?Yeah that's right UW got NUTHIN
>>97151576But why would you when Aloy directly gives you card advantage for doing what your deck is presumably trying to? What's your point here? She's a relatively open-ended design that just says "you get card advantage if you play artifact creatures". Would you rather she did something much more specific that caused the deck to build itself?
>>97151578It wasn't even strong in 2011, let alone 2025. I'm not even saying like b4, I'm saying the quality of even bad cards is so much higher that searching for a rebel or a cheeky bound in silence has no place in even casual pods. It's basically a b1 theme deck even with the best of support cards.
why am i getting feminine or geek energy from every spellsinger commander?
>>97151602it sounds to me like this is a classic example of >we always could but it only dawned on me when wotc gave us a legend to build aroundbuild around brain killed this format. I'm just being an old man shaking his fist at the sky, don't mind me.
>"if your deck is unplayable without your commander its a bad deck"woooooooweeeeeeeee fuck me for wanting to build something interesting instead of 3 color goodstuff pile #29468371 god youre such a good deckbuilder for running little known tech card orcish cocksuckers wow its like jon finkel is at my table with all these genius decks
>>97151650Always could and people did
>>97151614It's easy to make it b2 or b3 by making it stax and filling it with asymmetrical stax pieces, you're simply bad at deck building and lack imagination.
> guy plays this card> flips his library over and hands it to youYour response?
>>97151671I genuinely don't think you have ever played against the rebel deck.It's such a slow engine and requires a decent amount of dead cards in your already mono white deck. There's nothing strong about it in the least bit.
>>97151647>why am i getting feminine or geek energy from every spellsinger commander?Run it, its fun
>>97151665anyway I cast oubliette targeting your commander anon, hope you don't mind
>>97151665This but unironically. You should have at least a couple synergies and closers that work independent of your commander. All of my most fun decks don't care if my commander comes out on curve
>>97151665My deck doesnt work w/o my commander so i take it you're not going to complain right?
>>97151696Repeatable searchable weenies in a hard stax control shell is decent. I think you're just bad at deck building. You don't have to include every rebel ever printed and also can play nonrebel cards.
>>97151683I give him a land a creature and a non creature spell what is my response supposed to be?
>>97151665>If your deck is unplayable without your commander it's a bad deckYes you fucking nimrod.If I remove your commander once or twice and all you're doing is staring at your hands yes you have made a bad deck.
>>97151683I've been playing this card in my 5c charms deck for like 10 yearsUnless he has built the deck with a single creature or a single other non-land non-creature like some kind of primal surge deck, I generally get given BoP, wayfarer's bauble and a land which I think is almost always the right call. The outlier is if you tutor your opponent a boardwipe or something but people don't like doing that even when it's advantageous.
>>97151671>JUST ADD STAX LMOA WHERES YOUR IMAGINATIONBlack hole IQ
>>97151720You do have to include some, and your commander is slow as shit. Play the deck, you will understand. This is theory crafting vs actual experience here.
>>97151683Whatever I want to steal the most
>>97149270>tqOf course I do. How could you tell?
>>97151647Because you are trans and seeing yourself in everything
how does this compare to tyranid bitch for X-spells rather than Hydra deck? is it actually fun?
>>97151683sol ringxenagosseize the day
>>97149270>TQI do and it's one of the decks I enjoy the least currently, have to dismantle it into something else but not sure what yet
>>97151665I play nothing but edicts. if you don't have one of those angels to prevent me, you will have a bad day.
>>97151683>mana dork>rock>basic for the color they have the most of already on the field
>>97151745You simply aren't good at magic if you can't make basic rebels WW work in a b3 meta.
>>97151850Do (You) even know the B3 meta though?Picrel
>>97151865Banned
UNBAN MY ZESTY GOLEM YOU WOTC FUCKS
redpill me on enrage decks
>>97151865>>97151885>>97151894Not for long.
>>97151885>he thinks it will be banned forever>not heeding gavin's signalsNgmi
>>97151786He’s better for non-hydra due to freed from the real that untaps allowing easy infinites.
>>97151917Planet Hulk dino deckHULK SMASH
>>97150820i love the art and like griffins as a creature but unfortunately decks like that always practically stop playing after second board wipe of the game
>Play trouble in pairs>friend plays consecrated sphinx>TiP is a must, so I'm drawing at least 1 extra card every turn and he's drawing 4.>He's also grixis>He's drawn half his deck>He still loses because even in grixis, he can't stop anyone else's board or stop removal because he doesn't run interaction>Goes on to complain he can never win except against precons with his 4.Trying to get him to learn his lesson on his own is misery.
>>97151947>If you block him, and he doesn't die, there will just be infinite combatsGood god, cancer.
>>97151994Indie company, small budget design team, plz understand
>everyone complains about hulk>no one complains about picrelwhy is this?
>>97151994>if you block himthe deck is absolutely running ways to guarantee that trigger goes off, no blocks required or thought about.>>97152029>shit nigga you only got 4 toughness
>>97152029>doesn't get stronger every time it is blocked>doesn't have to pay 7 to go infinite combats
>>97151994>cancerNo, that's just Hulk being the strongestAll my years battleboarding and discussing power levels and feats have finally paid off
>>97151947What's the front side though?I'm sure it's a pain to get him to actually flip
>>97151850You simply have no idea what you are talking about. We had a guy at our store that was dedicated to playing this deck for years. Always tuning it. Even in a heavy stax shell there's just no getting around how slow it was even by 2017 standards and its mono fucking white. The best version was not even that stax heavy it leaned way more into solemnity synergies and tutored up children of korlis to be annoying and mirror entity if he managed to get a big x token spell off.
>>97152029>6 mana once vs every turn>RG vs RUG>Magic vs UB>Still some degree of control for the opponents>LMAO 4 toughness and getting blocked>people have actually played with it and decided its shit vs spoiler season has everyone in magical christmasland scenarios
>>97152063>has a casting costHe doesn't flip dumbdumb
>>97152063the front side is a 1/1 for U, you can pay the same 2RRGG as this side's mana cost to flip.so turn 1 cast commander, turn 2 moonmist.
I cannot wait to throw this into every possible deck I can once the hybrid change goes through. Shitting on tutors and nerds that wait until my end step to crack fetches gives me life.
>>97152064Your meta is full of bad players and you yourself are bad at the game. Cope.
>>97152108post deck
>>97152107Why not simply run a two mana counterspell to counter the tutor instead?
>>97152115Your mom.
>>97152029damage is not removed until the cleanup step
>>97152117That's true for blue, but black has more limited tools to directly deal with tutors.
>>97152129thats what I thought
>player 1 has value pieces, that will combo out and let hit ramp and draw +4 every turn rotation>I remove his stuff to stop that from happening >he attacks and removes my cards, retaliation for removing his card>understandable>other two players attack me because I have no blockers>???>get attacked by the other two every turn from then on>player 1 manages to set up his value engine again>I die because I can't handle two players full swinging at me every chance>wow you're dead already?>yeah because you've been hitting me every turn. good luck with stopping player 1>what do you mean he only has a few 2/2s and we have indestructible hexproof beatsticks>player 1 draws through half his deck over the next 2 turns>he wins the game because the other two have no removalI'm just going to stand up from the table before we even start, if I get them tonight
>>97152107Its not going to>>97152117Can't counter a fetch
>>97152161>>97152161I mean what they did was logical.
>5 mana to just play your big beater commander for free or drop absolute bullshitHulk decks are going to be... Interesting to see.
>>97152207Whoops
>>97152207Im predicting that there is going to be an unusually low interest in building commander decks from the marvel set and nobody here is going to see a paper hulk deck out in the wild
Came in the male, etcIm getting into pauper
>>97152207>beats gods>also gets beaten by streets like punisherComic book accurate
>>97152232>Im getting into pauperbased
>>97152232You shouldn’t cum in males anon.
Are any tribal decks actually fun or do all of them boil down to either:- putting weenies and slapping an anthem while praying for no board wipes- useless creatures with a commander that 100% makes or break you, making you completely useless if it gets removed?my best guess would be aristocrat / graveyard deck based on vampires or zombies but i hope there's something else
>cast pic rel>reveal 10 damage mv card>shoot a guy in the face for lethal>'heh.. I teferi protection'>tell him the spell is resolving, no priority>'oh, I cast it before that then'>but you didn't
>>97152287stupid ass mobilethis spell, judge came over and ruled he could respond. stole my packs for the night due to that.
>>97152279They're all fun desu, but the amount of effectiveness does indeed vary with the tribe and the level of support. Anthem effects are definitely part of the strategy so if you don't like that yeah I would avoid it. And it sounds like you have pretty unrealistic expectations for what one should be
>>97152287You have to choose your target on cast, not on resolution, so he’d know you were targeting him and have the opportunity to Teferi’s Protection. He’d need to do that before you flip your cards, of course, but you tell it like you only chose to target him after you knew it’d be lethal, so you were already breaking the rules.
>>97152232basedmore commander players should at least try out 1v1 formats
>>97152317well zombies or vampires don't have to be, elves you can definitely build as more of a big mana deck, though not sure if there's a point in calling it tribal >And it sounds like you have pretty unrealistic expectations for what one should bei honestly don't think having access to gameplan or wincon other than dropping anthems and turning everything sideways is an unrealistic expectation
>>97152398>honestly don't think having access to gameplan or wincon other than dropping anthems and turning everything sideways is an unrealistic expectationSorry but what sort of game plan are you expecting? Combo? Tribal doesn't really do comboIf you want alternatives to combat, a few options come to mind off the top of my head.Goblins can often win through impact tremors style effects Elves can win through Lathril's drain ability Inalla... Well, there's more options hereBut I think it's reasonable to expect a tribal deck is ultimately going to win through combat
>>97151683Ay hol' up that bitch stacked.
Last month I had a nightmare that Indoraptor was temur and I had built it jund by mistake.
>>97152171>we'll lose the game because we have no threat assessment no, removing a value engine is logicalaggressively punishithe person who helped you not lose is illogical
>>97151994There's been numerous infinite combat combos of that genre over the years and none of them have been any good so far. Hulk might be the one to do it since it's an easy combo with caltrops and he starts at 8 toughness but still, I'm not particularly scared of it.
I find Im on a real control kick. I want decks that are going to develop STAX, draw cards, and board wipe.
>>97152161That's why you make deals
>>97152451ah, maybe i wasn't clear enough in my first posti don't mind winning through combat, i mind it when deck is doing nothing else than thatlike elves generating shit ton of mana and pumping with Ezuri to get lethal out of nowhere is way more interesting already than a cat deck that doesn't have anything going for it except arahbo and giving everything +1/+1 with few lords
I'm looking into getting to commander from 60 cards, is the avatar bundle worth 100€?
>>97152232God fabrication foundry is such a terrible card
>>97152682>God fabrication foundry is such a terrible cardYa its a scuffed mana rock on its face. The only reason to ever use it is for the 2nd effect. The idea is Im running a lot of shit with affinity for artifacts. So Id like to play pic rel and then trade it for something good. I may end up cutting it. But for now it fits decently enough with my arifact tribal that I want to test drive it
>>97151715I never liked Godo. I know I had one or two in my rare bin, but never even considered using him.I then got Gilgamesh in one the few FF booster packs I opened, and thought I'd try him out a little.Motherfucker is the most obscene son of a bitch in EDH. He combos with fucking everything. He tutors, he cheats, he goes infinite, he pulls up answers and problems, and he gets stronger with every new set that releases.It's insane that he came from Kamigawa.
>>97152682Malcator is the real lemon put of those, nothing redeeming about him.
>>97152682Ironically, if it were 3 mana instead of 2, I'd be willing to play it as a way to reoccur some of my swords with itself.
>>97151647this card is so obnoxious and overpowered
>>97152750he's just a Little Guy(tm) :3
>>97152279Tribal decks are more fun if you like the tribe. Even if it's doing a lot, if you just don't like the tribe they'll suck to play. What tribes do you like?
is he fun? want to build something in bant
>>97152849He's a fun bant theft deck
Trading Post is such an underrated card
>>97152353wrong.
>>97152294>>97152287cards like this are worded oddly. This is a 'reflexive' trigger. The triggered ability goes on the stack as the spell resolves.
>>97152827if just going thematically, looking at edhrec list i'd say elves (already had and turned into big mana deck), angels, dwarves, squirrels, skeletons would say cats if most of them wasn't half human
>>97152279Insects are such a good tribe they do powerful things on their own without anthems or which ever one of them is in the command zone
>>97152353This is correct
>>97152353>>97152912Wrong, the card clearly states that you don't target before revealing cards after which there's a reflexive trigger prompting you to pick a target for X damage. Anon was wrong in the first place too, his friend 100% could respond to being targeted after knowing the damage.
>>97152723All you need is helm of the host, ramp and protection for godo
>>97152966Proof?
>>97152996That's just how reflexive triggers work, dunno what else to tell you buddy.
>>97152966Well, looks like I stand corrected
>>97152849this >>97152854 plus pod effects and if you are spicy, natural affinity
>>97152966https://youtu.be/CQrPYo04hQI?si=V2dOXAXXxOhlWTUW
>>97152854>>97153055How do you build him for theft?
>>97152107The correct answer to being clever is choke on it and die.
>>97153063creature etb/ltb for double dipping mang
>>97152107There is no hybrid change zoomie
>>97152849He's my favorite commander. I have him built for splicers and creatures that sacrifice themselves for value like Spore Frog and Cathar Commando along with a small amount of theft like >>97152854 said. He's so flexible and there's a bunch of different ways to work with him. I ended up cutting the pod effects from him for playgroup reasons, but those are very powerful sac outlets.
>>97153063>Steal opps creature>Have a sac outlet>Have intruder alarm for extra memes>Sac creature, you control it when it dies, so you exile your opps creature so they can't get it back, you now have a copy, since a creature entered, untap everything, repeat until you have a cookie army.This is just one example that I use, there are surely other tricks, but that's the gist steal and sac all that good shit while being wonky graveyard hate.
>>97153088The change has already been decided and they're only giving you the illusion of choice to ease your autism
I scoop.
>>97153112>soulSINGER>signing>signing flavortextI know it was a legends card i didnt knowbthis version was that botched
>>97153159NO, you have to watch me masturbate!
DICKS OUT FOR HORO-BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDICKS OUT FOR HORO-BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDICKS OUT FOR HORO-BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
>>97153177>play this>Ghalta player plays Swiftfoot Boots and moves to equip them to his commander so as to prevent it from being targeted by anything>he doesn't know
>>97152682No? Its very good.
>>97153177>Try and pull out my dick for horobi>Now you've inadvertently targeted your dick>Dick explodeswhy would you do this anon?
Casuals say HULK SMASH but only patricians cry out GAMMA CRUSH when Hulk busts out the turn 3 infinite on the puny pod
>>97153177>I give my guy indestructible >doesn't work>I give it hexproof>doesn't work>I give it shroud>doesn't work>I scoop, this is bullshit
>>97153250Dumbass
>>97153279huh, I guess this card HAS gotten better with time
>>97153279>>I give my guy indestructible >>doesn't workWhy wouldn't it work?
>>97153177>>97153279>I'll play Gilgamesh>I will reveal some equipment and attach one to my Gilg->he dies>no, he doesn't >uh yeah, he does >5 min argument true story, same game
>>97153297presumably the strawman in anon's post is trying to use a targeted indestructible effect
>>97153286>2 mana>upside>fits into game plan perfectlyLemme guess all your decks are boring goodstuff piles i could find at literally any LGS in the world? This is objectively a very good card. On a short list of mana rocks actually worth running.
>>97153088>new set has hybrid mana>not thinking jews of the cost want people to use them on the most popular format
>>97153328Is this a prank? It's a terrible mana rock, and exiting to recur is awful. I wouldn't even run it in my Oswald deck man.
>>97153306I think GilgaChad was right here. His abilty doesn't target. Equip is an inherently targeted ability, but "attach" isn't.
>>97152232>Im getting into pauperwelcome home to the real place where magic is magic
>>97153344 thanks bwo, I was the Gilg
>>97153344yeah I don't see target anywhere on the card
>>97152861It's just slightly not good enough
>>97153264>yelling "FINAL! JUSTICE!" as you board wipe while cap has a shield on
>>97153343You keep repeating yourself as though its some magic spell. It has good upside to make up for its limitation, which shouldn't matter if you make good decks instead of larping about having them.>exiling to recurIs very standard. Im afraid you arent even familiar with the game youre larping about
>cast pic rel and copy it a few times>remove all win cons and bombs from opponents decks>guy mouths off he still has a way to win and tells me the name of the card in his hand>necromentia>table concedes I never had my pet cards actually win a game for me.
>>97153177how do you run this without him getting hated off the board immediately
>>97153664High charisma modifier
>>97153480>>97153480Restrictive mana rocks are bad with very few exceptions. Especially in W. I get you think it looks good, but the 20% of the time you can't use the mana when you need to could unironically lose games. Exiting to recur is common nowadays, but that's because it's a modern nerfing method. You're just a newfag so everything looks shiny and cool to you. As it is the card is doing a very bad Goblin Welder impression. You'd be better off running Trading Post or something like Rescue Skiff.
Which commander is the most like Neymar Jr?
>>97153564>>guy mouths off he still has a way to win and tells me the name of the card in his hand>>necromentiaHow does that help him win, it's 1 2/2 zombie
I had a fever dream and one of the parts was a new card type that adds a colour to your deck that you didn't have before, but you take a severe penalty for being able to splash. I put one together, but you could have a green one that searches a land for opponents at the start of the game, a black one that continually saps your life, etc.ColortwistThis card may be included in a deck even if it does not follow the colour identity. Once included, the deck's colour identity now includes the Colortwist's color(s).This card exists in the command zone in addition to your commander(s). It may not be cast, played or enter any other zone. If it would move to another zone, it remains in the command zone instead. Its abilities work even in the command zone. A deck may only include one Colortwist.It could open up more options, like getting the black pirates into Howler, turn Ovika into an enchantress deck, or you could just try and play into the negative effects of the Colortwist. Thoughts?
>>97153664What's the issue? Most things that target already kill anyway. The rest are equipments and the occasional enchantress deck.
>>97153761because it was a wincon that's exiled and now it's a 2/2 zombie.
>>97153777I think it's more like half and half. auras and equipment, protection spells, your own beneficial abilities; it shuts off multiple strategies and combo lines.
>>97153777You clearly don't play tapper tribal
>>97153777>What's the issue? Most things that target already kill anywayNeat commander. be a shame if I turned this sideways.
>>97153884god damn it
>>97153777theres plenty of utility cards (that are cheaper than removal) that can now double as removal
>>97153761anon wasn't clear, he's the one that casted necromentia to get rid of opp's wincon
>>97153297Assuming that it’s a targeted effect that grants indestructible, Horobi’s trigger would go on the stack after it and would therefore resolve first, destroying the creature before it gains indestructible.
>>97151544Moonmist prevents all combat damage...
Its not possible to have double affinity is it?
>>97153989I don’t see any reason why not.
>>97153989You can, they're cumulative
I think more people should play 2v2 commander
>>97154009with a combined life total of 40?
>>97153964Only on the turn it's cast. You cast caltrops and start attacking with hulk on turn 3.
>>9715401160 life total
I played my new birb deck today and someone dropped this early because they got mad at faerie tribal last week
>>97153995>>97153998Wtf
>>97154031That gives a full turn for 3 players to remove the single biggest threat in the table. That said, cute little 3 card combo overall.
>>97154065>anon discovers why affinity is a fucked up mechanicThere's a reason wotc has dodged every question about when Mirrodin Remastered is coming out despite being the last plane even worth remastering, arguably is more worthy to remaster than Innistrad
>>97154076Affinity is actually fine. The issue are artifact lands, these are the true cancer.
>>97154052This would fuck my deck up.This is actually a really good card for decks that crumple to aggressive flyers.
What is a tempo deck in EDH?
>>97154116Nonexistant.
>>97154116Edric
>>97154116Hinata Flicker
>>97154031>dies to Doom Blade
>>97154116I've seen like three recommended videos for this sort of thing on youtube (I haven't watched any of them), try those.
shill me a naya commander
>>97154068If the hulk player is going first his opponents only have 2 turns and i'm enough of a betting man that they have a hand with rocks/ramp than spot removal
>>97154116Radha and the various 2cmc mana dork commanders all have the same gameplan: Turn 2 commander, turn 3 explosive vegetation, turn 4+ bombs every turn. I'd call that a tempo deck because the deck is fully dependent on the tempo for the first few turns and doesn't play whatever lands and ramp happens to end up in hand by chance.>>97154135Wouldn't any commander deck that relies on its commander and runs protection fall under this?I guess a lot of people just scoop if their kos commander gets removed twice though.
>>97154190Any creature can be your commander. Limited only by your imagination and color identity.
Fun or gay?
>>97154236it's a kill on sight commander so pretty gay
>>97154246Lmao
>>97154009>I think more people should play 2v2 commanderMy LGS is trying to get this off the ground.I think this would be extremely cool.I wouldnt really love a 2v2 competitive minded edh format but with an extensive banlist or other restrictions
>>97154342>wouldntWhoops should say wouldEditting my sentence fail
>>97149270>Do you have a landfall deck?No. I have some landfall cards in my Grist deck, but no decks dedicated to the mechanic.
Only simpletons enjoy landfall.
>>97154363It's definitely the most braindead way to play. I do genuinely think that people who "enjoy" landfall are the type that watch "short form content".
>>97154236Tokenslop can not be fun by definition.
>>97154470Sorry, Im just going to make a lot of tokens is all
>>97154503That's not magic. Those aren't real cards and you won't get a real win even if by some miracle happens and you do "win"
>>97154515> tokens are now UB
I AM ANGRYANGRY ABOUT UB
>>97153264>>97153382I hope someone designs some fun bullshit format called MVC where you can only use capcom and marvel commanders and get 3 commanders with some sort of switching mechanic for them.
>>971541161v1 this guy slaps and is tempo based.
If I played this 4th edition Kismet, with this text, would you interpret it effecting a single target player or all opponents?After 5th it changed text to "Artifacts, creatures, and lands your opponents control enter tapped." And I wanna play it but don't wanna have to explain every time that it effect's everyone
>>97154593I would take it as a single opponent, yes.
>>97154593This might come as a shock to you, but paper magic has long required an internet connection to look up rulings and oracle text>just get data on your phone, dont tell me you're too much of a poorfag to do that too
>>97154593Print out the scryfall page and leave it folded in the deck box so you can show people.
Remember when power used to have a cost?
>>97154626Why is this little guy so fucking expensive
>>97154656Reserved List, for some inexplicable reason.
>>97154593If it was all opponents it would say >All of target players'The apostrophe placement is important
>>97154626Image tutoring this with Urza's Saga
>>97149270>TQSorta, I wanted to make a Choco, Seeker of Paradise deck and landfall seemed like an obvious payoff for an ability that generally dumps a bunch of lands on the field. It's not truly a landfall decks but it has a bunch of landfall payoffs.
>>97154669>Reserved ListWhat is the point of this judaism
>>97154656>stifle the etb>torpor orb the etb>combat trick it into be inde- oh wait this is one of those "bury is sacrifice" cards fug It still sees a fair bit of play in older formats, Premodern has it all over the place
>>97154769Vision charm is stifle 5-8 in a stock stiflenaught list and is used over torpor orb
https://moxfield.com/search/cards?q=t%3Ahalfling%20o%3Atoken%20ci%3Arghobbitbros???
>>97154626I want them to print more things like this for Obeka. My dream is for them to print more "Eater of Days" effects so I can Mystic Reflection a hapless opponent with it on the field.
>Marit Lage is stronger than Galactus, a world eating giant man from the dawn of the universe
>>97154885Galactus dies to Terminate. Set is cooked
>>97154885I dunno mate, "a world eating giant man" doesn't inspire a ton of confidence.
>>97154885>From the dawn.He existed before the dawn of the universe fag.And why would an Eldritch horror from one universe not be stronger or on par with another?Not like there aren't things stronger than Galactus in his own universe .
>>97154885just like shuma gorath or however you spell it is the strongest multiversal entity on his home turf
>>97154812Genuinely what the fuck js this post attempting to convey?
>>97154885>Who are the Beyonders.Galactus is king shit in his own universe, he gets his shit slapped by beings outside of it all the time.
will people instantly assume i'm doing combo if i build him?
>>97154965if you're all new noif only you are new then no because they will assume that you're doing something honestif no one is new then yes
>>97154626Tap Selvala in response to ETB trigger, make 12 mana.
>>97154190I've been liking Jetmir so far. Let's me use all the random token garbage I've collected over the years to good effect. Makes even small soldiers or any bulk stuff hitting way above their weight class.
>>97154910I'm aware, retard
>>97154962Do you think a being beaten by 3 Planeswalkers (less than Emrakul) is stronger than Galactus?Marit lage cannot even leave Dominaria
>>97155089She is also trapped via fucking cold water
>>97155089You really think galactus could be beaten by a little kid?Because he did.
>>97154955I want halflings but there's only 4 I'd play in my deck
>>97155102Franklin can warp reality with his thoughts, he's basically Haruhi Suzimaya, no one in MtG can beat him either.
>>97154236gay. it's just too good, but not good enough. eternal bracket 4 material
>>97154965It's difficult not to do combo with him.
>>97155129Add some white to get all the good hobbits
>>97154593Be swift with scryfall if people don't believe you, it's worth explaining things to make newer less experienced players better more experienced players. It's the same reason I run Yenna, so I can explain how copied auras CAN attach to things with shroud and hexproof.
>Opp plays farewell>Okay, I scoop. Sorry, I can't recover to get a win from that at this point>BuT yOu NeVeR kNoW?!Jesus christ idiots. shit the fuck up. I made my deck, I know what it can and can't do.
I know someone here has this deck. Any secrets? Do you self mill?.any way to speed run the +1 counters?
>>97155216You cast traumatize and attack while holding up interaction
>>97154626Literally nobody has ever actually gotten this thing to be viable while paying the cost.
Isn't Marit Lage the Demonic Leviathan that Bolas killed?
Would you let me rule zero this?
>>97155268It'd look at you in pity for trying to get skeleton tribal to be a thing but fine, go on, do it.
>>97155268If you put effort into altering the card to say Skeletons then yeah sure go for it
>>97155268Yes(I'm based)
>>97155268no lmao
>>97155268Sure, but I'm going to rule 0 in my own commander that cost 0, that has hexproof, can't be countered, haste, and "tap, you win the game if your opponents have fake cards in their decks. (UB are fake cards)"
how many creatures would you run in a Casal deck?Its so hard to cut some of them. Im at 32 right now but I think I wanna go down to 30. any suggestions?https://archidekt.com/decks/18009127/casa
>>97155308>>97155309Fucking babies. Skeletons are an objectively worse tribe than squirrels. There's nothing wrong with the card.>captcha: okdam
Do I even want to run arcane signet in a green deck imo?
delighted halfling is such a reliable indicator of netdeck slop.
oh sure bro let me just pull out my rule 0 bird deck trust
>>97155337r8 my deckhttps://moxfield.com/decks/-qyjxOjzm0ObMsMHMqyp3g
Scarecrows are objectively worse than birds. Argument status: DEBUNKED
>>97155268Yes. But only if you print out a version like this or draw it yourself. And let me do the same.
>>97155266no, she was trapped in Ice Age and it was a not-planeswalker planeswalking monster, just getting frozen for 2000 years while nothing goes in or out of the plane tends to kinda take wind out of your sailsthanks urzathere was something in comics with her coming to amonketh but jace did jace stuff, most likely she's just a freak from beyond the chaos wall
>>97155357Quote my post, coward.
Skeletonsissies need to just accept and cope with their terrible choice in a tribe.
>>97155374You first, croward
Reject skeletony embrace blink
>>97155375wotc is going to see everyone clamoring for a skeleton commander, they're going to print the absolute OMEGA SLOP commander for it, and then skeletons are going to become one of the least interesting and most disliked tribes in the whole game.
>>97155375>says the nigga with a skelington INSIDE his ahh
>>97155389I still like the design space of a commander that's only ever an enchantment on the battlefield
Errata all humans to skeletons.
>>97155389The Ur-Skeleton WUBRGLegendary Creature - Skeleton WarriorFirst strike, Trample, IndestructibleWhen The Ur-Skeleton enters or attacks return a Skeleton creature from your graveyard to play. When the Ur-Skeleton leaves play, search your library for a skeleton and put it into play.7/7
>>97155397>3 mana repeatable 10 mana value engine that dodges creature removal but gets picked up by every recursion engine in the game, and it can be your commanderI know you skeletonigs have an inferiority complex but this is a bit much.
>>97155414It's bait, he posts the same card every thread.
>>97155414Skeletal Swarming isn't worth 5 mana, especially one that you get your first skeleton from the turn after you play it.
>>97155397Why isn't it a creature on the battlefield
>>97155337why?
>>97155433to avoid removal
>>97155332Anon... What the fuck is that image
>>97155389The issue with that is that the mechanical identity of Skeletons is "creature that returns itself to the battlefield upon a mana payment" which isn't going to be a lot. What do you do to support them tribally that Morophon or another general anthem commander wouldn't? Reduce the cost of returning them? Return them harder?
>>97155433For the same reason grist is. Lets you reanimate it like a creature and be your commander
How do I build him
>>97155444the mechanical identity of skeletons is they're cutedon't give up, skeleton!
Here's my griffin commander bro.
>>97155451Lots of cantrips + big cost storm spell. You're welcome.
>>97155451Kys
>>97155463yes yes funny bait but random question, is this 3c or 5c?
the schizo is being hyperbolic again
>>97154190>cute>tons of support>extra combats are fun>can be built as powerful as you want, from jank melee to equipment to super strong +1/+1
>>97155473Color symbols are what matter, not the color of the token.This Oketra is mono-W for an actual card example.
>>971554735c because the tokens it creates includes color identity, and token copies of existing cards keep their mana values, which include the colored pips used for color identity>>97155463For a shitpost that's actually really clever design lel
would you let me rule zero this as an Elder Dinosaur Hydra
>>97155489see >>97155490It's a Kibo situation.
>>97155494wtf no, keep that broken tribal slop outta here, angle shooter
>>97154885And the greatest threat to the multiverse that has conquered countless planes with untold countless armies at their command dies to 15 vanilla squirrels.Magic world building has been retarded fantasyslop for decades now Anon.
>>97155463>most gryphons are white/bluewew lad
Yo uh what the fuck is this?
>>97155509why are they scared?
>>97155516>n-no I can't beat combo so stop using it
>>97155516The ugly gay tranny furry wants (you) to lose so he/xa'am can win, what's confusing about it?
>>97155516Please don't watch this faggot. He's a genuine groomer.
>>97155516Doesn't this fag only play combo/prison decks?
>>97155516>bracket 2/3 video>so brackets with explicit "no one gets hurt till turn 8">can't tutor>have to draw intoyeah i guess they could count as useless if you're not searching but its also nice to have an out
>>97155473it doesn't have anything that would give it additional colors. it mentions card names, but doesn't list their properties, so it has no symbols in the box that would add to it's identity.if it said "make a blue enchantment token named Rhystic Study with "<rhystic study's text>" and mana cost 2U and a white enchantment token named Smothering Tithe with "<smothering tithe's text>" and mana cost 3W" it would count as 5c for having the symbols in it's actual text, but even the cards that already make a previously existing card don't give the tokens a mana cost.
>>97155516
>>97155582his old avatar was at least cutish now he's an ugly tranny furry, sad
>>97155586It's genuinely repulsive.
>>97155586does that mean your raging homo lust is quenched, anon?
>>97155586I actually agree
>>97155586The original was the cutest because it seemed low effort enough.The updated one was less cute and a little weird because it had actual effort put into it. It felt like he was really trying to lean into it, which ironically made it worse.This new one is genuinely just furaffinity mascot shit.
Furries are edhg approved
i like it
Do your playgroup have female players?
>>97155632yes but they're not very involved or into the game and usually have people build decks for them, but they have pretty respectable taste in decks, lot of group slug.
>>97154885>he doesn't knowGalactus is a peak jobber.
>>97155632The guy who hosts at his house has a wife who plays some times, but she's pretty bad and doesn't like playing against us with her "cute bird" and "cute squirrel" decks that are basically bracket 1s
>>97155586this new one looks like it was traced over some art of the girl from that recent incest RPGmaker horror game
>>97155632does theirs?
> Commander 2026 updatesHybrid mana counts as OR color identity in the 99.Zesty elf is free from horny jail.30 life is now better than 40.6th bracket added due to power creep.
>>97154885>>97155509Galactus also loses to a squirrel
>>97155668bracket 1 and 2 and 4 all need better definition
>>97155268Only if you draw the art yourself
>>97155669is this them post coitus?
>>97155669*looses
>>97148111>Aperil
>>97155668>Commander 2027 updates:>All non-UB printings of cards banned>WotC offering bounties on people still using non-UB cards, people using proxies, and people playing unsanctioned games>every MtG influencer critical of WotC is silenced>paper MtG production slowly tapered down, both to squeeze out higher collector demand and to eventually transition MtG to being a purely digital franchise>8 different standard-legal Universes Beyond sets per year, and nothing else>power creep is making Bracket 2 look like the old Bracket 4
>>97155851>bounties on people ... using proxiesFucking basedIll do it for free
should I buy casal for 8€ or the foil doric version for 25€?
>>97155879One of these is a character with a backstory and personality.One of these is a soulless non-character made of slush art. The literal example of a card being nothing more than mechanics, with no deeper lore or anything.Having said that I don't know or care about the former and I can't tell which one's the actual character so get whatever's cheapest.
>>97155892Doric was first and then they made the in-universe version Casal. Don't really understand why
>friends hate my bracket 2 deck because my wife wins too much even though their decks are full of game changers and tutors and are borderline bracket 4One day they'll discover the power of love.
>>97155444Not any of those anons, but I took a whack at it.I don't have the font installed on this computer.>>97155509You fucking clowns need to remember that the creatures being summoned in the game aren't actually the in-lore depictions, they're just what you, the planeswalker, remember about them.
>>97155911because they lost the rights to portray those characters, as they come from a movie and not just D&D
>>97155928so Doric but even be an investment because she is never gonna be reprinted again?
>>97155920Got a list?
>>97155928Yeah anon I'm sure they lost the rights to the characters in their own movie about the ip which they own
>>97155920A bracket 2 deck should not have a noticeably higher win rate than bracket 4 decks.You are autistic and do not understand the bracket system.
>>97155920You genuinely sound like you're in the wrong here though
>>97155954it was produced by paramount and lionsgate so yeah very probably
>>97155954They lost the rights to the actor's likeness you fucking mongoloid
Is this a toxic deck?
>>97155989>Secret Lair: "We Don't Own the Actors' Likeness So Here's These Characters Turned Around"captcha: ROHHH
>>97155996>Is this a toxic deck?No, this is
>>97155820kek
>>97156004This would be very funny but also still enforceable from Paramount in a court of law as the SLD is indicating that this is a portrayal of that character. Paramount owns Hugh Grant's ass too, you understand
>>97155996Are there any good 0 cost repeatable crime effects?
>>97156070hex parasite, technically
>creatures with power over 4 can't attack>I attack you with my 9/9 commander that is unblockable>Creatures with power over 4 can't attack>I attack bill instead.>No, creatures with power more than 4 can't attack at all.>... I attack Steve then>Creatures with power over 4 can't attack. Period.>Repeat every rotation until the game endedEver had one of those game where people just can't wrap their heads around a simple card for whatever reason?
>>97155879They printed UW versions of these D&D SLDs. Which is ironic because I think its one of the few instances where people prefer the UB variant.This WotC orginal xe/xir is the alt of Forge, Neverwinter Charlatan. Im glad I got Forge because if I bought this print Id hate it.
>>97156070I was going to say Viridian Longbow, but then remembered the act of attaching it would destroy that creature
>>97151947They didn't put 5 seconds into this card
>>97156119They can make cards that are just allowed to be good
>>97155964>>97155976>no game changers>no tutors >no combos>no Sol Ring>suboptimal cards based on thematic choices like Luminarch Aspirant and Halana and Alena or Maester Seymor and Wakka>barely any removal just a suite of cheap 2-3 mana counter spells and swords, creatures like Hopeful Initiate and Wakka, damning verdict and Aetherize as my only wipes>mostly focused on protecting my own board with things like clever concealment and Shalai>finishers are lambholt champion and rikku for unblockable or Sphere Grid or Tuskguard Champion for trampleSo how exactly am I supposed to "power down" to stop kicking the shit out of people who run things like Rhystic Study and TOR and Farewell in their Ureni/Chulane/Nekusar/etc decks?
>>97156127I have "respond in one turn or die" threat fatigue
>>97156070>>97155996>Cast Pact>Horobi destroys the target>Pact fizzles from having no legal target>No upkeep-pay
>>97156119No you see it's very balanced it costs 7 mana to bring the hulk out onto the field which as you know 7 mana in green colors is very hard to generate and he has no inherent protection which as you know is very hard to do in blue colors.
>/edhg/ reeees when a set has no good cards like spiderman>/edhg/ reeeees when a set has very strong cards like FF with Vivi and Marvel with HulkClassic.
>>97156151>costs 7 mana5 with the bespoke saga designed for it2 with moonmist
>>97156134people like you are ruining the gamethe rules explicitly say, if your deck is too good, its no longer bracket 2you know damn well intent and effectiveness is also a bracket measurement
>>97156181>you know damn well intent and effectiveness is also a bracket measurementNOPE, VIBES ARE NOT AND WILL NEVER BE RULES
>>97156134>>97156190No one's saying you're breaking the rules, they're saying you've self-admitted that you're playing at a level beyond your playgroup and your playgroup finds it frustrating.Play 60 card formats if you can't understand the social casual format.
>>97156190>"Those rules aren't going to stop me, I'm too stupid to understand them"
>>97156233
>>97156160You think there might be a median between completely worthless and hilariously broken?
>>97156190I have a vibe check deck for playing new people.people have asked me what the vibes were afterwards. mostly I've had to look at someone tiredly and tell them to loosen up.
>>97156160Weird, it's like there's a middle ground between unplayable and obnoxiously pushed.
>>97156160Note how no one complained about the balance of duskmourn, bloomburrow, tarkir, or space wars.
>>97156181Anon's table is legit facing a skill issue.What I don't get is why you're simping for them despite never actually meeting these people or hearing of them other than through an anon's story.Legitimately, what is wrong with you?
>>97156250>If I lose to it, it's bullshit>If I can't use it in my current deck, it's bullshit
>>97156257>Skill issuePeople like you aren't welcome in this community
>>97156256That landfall bugman from space balls is a bit much
>>97156246>>97156250>>97156256Weird samefag, doesn't matter however, there is no middle ground in this community, there is only broken and garbage.
>>97156263You could at least pretend you read his post before putting up your strawman
>>97156280Am I supposed to read your autistic mind about what qualifies as "middle ground"?
>>97156257Anon stated that his friends hate his deck.We're trying to help him understand that it's a sign that maybe he should tone it down a little because without any other context, it sounds like he's forcing his friends to tolerate him because he doesn't understand that this is the casual format and powering down or playing something else is actually an option.
>>97156266Says who? You? The thought of beating someone running a bracket 2 while you're running a Rhystic Study threatens you. You've probably been playing for all of a few months. Kill yourself man.
>>97156275It's not a same fag you just made a retarded post and got called out on it
>>97156291>this is proof of anything
>>97156275It's not a samefag, you're just a retard who doesn't understand a false dichotomy.It's always when the thread's about to die that people say the dumbest shit.>>97156286Nigger if his friends hate his deck, they can run interaction. From what I'm hearing, they can't beat a +1/+1 counter deck. Tell them to stop stuffing their decks with Craw Wurms and run some interaction.
>>97156287the rules say you can't do thatbeing obstinate about having a fake bracket 2 and then bragging as if you are doing something is neckbeard so leave the thread nobody like your kind
>>97156287Again, if you have a noticeably higher win rate than the rest of your table and they find it genuinely frustrating, that's a problem. If you don't like Rhystic or if you'd rather everyone play more on an even field without game changers at all, you can bring that up with your table and say you'll tone your stuff down in exchange.Card games are supposed to be fun but edh is actually supposed to be about fun without the competition of 60 card formats. You should talk about what's fun for you and you should listen if your buds say something isn't fun for them.It's like sex.
>>97156296Prove it was a samefag
>>97156307The rules say you can't win consistently before turn 6. You have plenty of time to get answers to a go-wide +1/+1 counter deck by then. Unironically, get good.
>>97156300>false dichotomy.Oh please retard, don't pretend this general isn't a bunch of retards who claim everthingg is either pushed and therefore good or bad,
>>97156322Alright this isn't getting through to you so let's try something else.Do you have any other decks? Would you consider playing those other decks more often if your playgroup doesn't mind them, and maybe consider playing the deck that your friends dislike less often?Maybe suggest a game night where everyone trades decks so they can see your deck isn't invincible and maybe plan around it once they have some inside experience?Would you be entirely against keeping some cards in hand that you could have played, just so you aren't overpowering the table as quickly or effectively?Like it genuinely sounds like you're playing against bad players. If they aren't getting better, then there's at least some onus on you to maybe go easy on them a little bit.
>>97155920List when
>>97156322Downtune your deck, you are playing a rules based game and according to you, are breaking the rules if you win more than your table
>>97156313I'm not that anon. I just know a retarded argument when I see it.When you run shit like Rhystic Study or other gamechangers, you are inherently giving yourself a deckbuilding advantage over people who lack them, so the odds are against your opponents from the onset unless they're also running them. In the case of Rhystic, at worst, you are disrupting their early game tempo (something that blue wants to do), at best you've made back a heavy surplus of card advantage.If you are constantly losing to a deck that's synergized better, then the problem isn't the deck, it's that you haven't adapted to its playstyle. The shit in the Tidus precon is a +1/+1 counter deck. That strategy cannot be allowed to build up, but it's volatile and easily disrupted, especially early. If you're not interacting with it, you're trying to battlecruise against a deck that will accumulate value. You will lose. Instead of crying for that, if anon's consistently playing against the table, then they need to stop watching dumbass Youtube videos, stop spamming EDHrec lists, or whatever the fuck they're doing, because it clearly is not working, and they need to upgrade their deck.It's players like that who end up crying about Magistrate.
>>97156285Bait or retardation, call it
>>97156349Again, I'm not that anon. I just know you're retarded.Let me give my experience with an "unfun" deck, though. There was someone in a playgroup at a shop I used to attend who had a W/R angel deck. Nobody in his usual pod could beat it because he would MLD after getting Avacyn onto the board.You know what I did?I pathed the Avacyn when he casted his Armageddon. Suddenly his deck started to lose more at the pod.Sometimes it really is the people there being so isolated that they don't know how to deal with someone's gameplan.
>>97156355Mad because bad.
>>97156358>>97156382There has to be some give and take. If you're choosing to play at a level above the rest of the table because you don't like that they play rhystic, and they don't like that someone at the table is consistently winning more often than everyone else, then everyone is unhappy.You can just say "hey I really don't like playing against rhystic and I know you guys find this deck a bit too strong, how about we all power down a little bit?"They drop rhystic, you win a little less consistently, and people are happy.If they're losing because they don't run removal, help them understand that removal and card draw to get their removal in hand is important. Don't just go online and brag about how you're a better player because you get it and they don't.I don't care if you're that anon or not, we're all anons and eventually people get mixed up. I'm arguing against the mentality and trying to explain that there are better ways to handle it than just being obstinate.
>>97156393>cheaters see game changers as the only rules
>>97156400
is valgavoth a bullshit card? or breach the multiverse?note: my pod runs no blue, so I can cast what I want
>>97156429Both are fine if you're paying mana for them.Both are gay fi you aren't.
>>97156400>If you're choosing to play at a level above(You) need to get good anon.Nobody owes you a win when you walk up to a table. If you're losing to a deck that, as anon mentioned, is suboptimized and lacks gamechangers, but you yourself are adding in those value engines, the problem is entirely on you and either not being at deckbuilding, playing, or both. In which case, why is that anon's problem?Let's take the converse of your argument: how dumbed-down should people make their builds in that scenario before you accept the problem is the table (and people like you who, again, feel threatened by some random jerk-off's story on 4chan)? Does it come before or after Lady Orca demon tribal?>You can just sayYou are so stupid I'm wondering if you're legitimately an ESL.The problem isn't Rhystic Study specifically. The problem is that, by all measure of the ACTUAL bracket rules, they should be higher power, but they're still losing, and anon is being asked to power down his deck when they're playing a bracket that, by definition, has better tools for potentially dealing with him than that.Let me put it in athletics terms. It's like a Lightweight wrestler consistently beating a specific group of Heavyweights. Do you say that the Lightweight needs to be classified higher, or swapped out with another Lightweight? That's not fair to the Lightweight in that scenario when he's already comparatively handicapped?>and eventually people get mixed upThat's a really nice copout for not acknowledging the posts in front of you, you stupid asshole.
>>97156409>Decks to be unoptimized and straightforward, with some cards chosen to maximize creativity and/or entertainment >Win conditions to be incremental, telegraphed on the board, and disruptable I'm sorry you can't beat one of the most telegraphed archetypes in the format.
Yuna anon here:I win because I built my deck around a curve and I eat my veggies including unfun but necessary cards like protection. I even toned down on the spot removal because my friends hated that their Krrik and Teysa and Nekusars would get blasted off the table the moment they peeked their head out. My turns usually go - dork - another dork or thing that puts counter on creature - yuna - more puts counter on creature - repeat. Meanwhile they're usually twiddling their thumbs because they're waiting to build up enough mana to drop their smothering tithes and grave pacts and have spent all their early turns tutoring with vampiric or demonic to fill up their hands with their combo pieces or pushed winmore cards. It is a legitimate skill issue on their parts, they over rely on expensive pushed cards without building around them while my cheapo deck full of people my wife would go on adventures with dominates because of basic fundamentals. Again there's nothing I can do to correct this issue on my end, as I said I left out the extremely good +1/+1 counter cards like ouroboroid and green dragon for power level and thematic purposes (which makes it even funnier that some anons are saying I'm "violating the rules" when I'm literally following the old and new bracket rules including vibe check lmao).
>>97156453>either not being ateither not being good* atIt's midnight.
Post cards that you have no reason not to put in every deck possible.(Being prohibitively expensive is a valid reason.)
>>97156465>I pubstomp 2s, and its their fault I lied to themYes, but you're still a faggot.
>>97156465>KrrikYeah, nobody there has any right there to complain about power from a +1/+1 counter deck.
>>97156465The fact you wont post your list is extremely suspicious ngl
>>97156468Friends hate it and said they wouldn't play against any of my decks if I put it in every last one of them.(They are too dumb to run removal)
>>97156469>Krrik>Bracket 2
>>97156465Brackets are not rules.
>>97156476I'm phone posting from the tub and I'm not getting out to run to my basement and lay out my cards. If you really want to know my list go on scryfall and search "put +1/+1 creature" and sort by price and leave out everything over $5 (except for sphere grid, but that like Yuna was a pack pull).
>>97156468
God damn I am glad I don't have to use brackets. Sounds like the worst fucking thing either. I'd rather not even play than deal with that angle shooting calvin ball shit
This cards sucks and I can't stop forcing it into decks.
>>97156511My girlfriend runs it in bird tribal.
You can't cure autism over the internet.It's Chinatown.
>>97156507Only the mentally disabled can't understand how the brackets work.
>>97156520I don't care. There is constant debate on them and I frequently see people try to angle shoot with them. You could hold a fucking shotgun to my head and I won't use them. Clean up your fucking mess
>>97156468Why would you want this in every deck
>>97149281You want to layer triggers with gravepact so they sac the creature you give back I think
>>97156524>mess>>97156520A lot of retards here, and (you) are one of them, clearly.Last (you) for a retard.
>>97156151>7Hulk costs 6.
>>97156524>I frequently see people try to angle shoot with themTo be fair you see this on 4chan a lot because people are baiting here.It's not actually as common in the wild, even just with store randoms.
>>97156507Same my entire friend group just disregards it
>>97156520It's completely understandable. it's also completely useless.
>>97156541I've seen it in person. I personally experienced someone try to angle shoot me out of a win with bullshit.Never again.
>>97156536 1 mana pseudo-vigilance for your whole board as a baseline. Guaranteed protection from a defender's combat tricks and deflecting palm/aetherize type effects.White also has a lot of attack trigger support, and sometimes you want to get those triggers but there aren't any safe opponents to swing into. With Recon you get the attack trigger and can just pull them out of combat if they're blocked by something that will kill them.
I think I've had enough /edhg/ tonight.
>>97156571See you in 15 minutes
Wtf is angle shooting
>>97156575>You cast pithing needle and name Borborgymos to stop my Borborgymos Enraged>call judge and say it doesn't stop my card because he said "Borborgymos" and forgot the "enraged" part when he declaredthat shit
>>97156575it's when you follow the letter of the law but not the spirit in order to win
>laughing about my unoptimized by every metric bracket 2 +1/+1 counter deck built with pulls and under $5 cards beating $500+ dollar sloppa piles is causing anon crash outsOo boy there's been a lot of counter spelled Orcish Bowmasters in here huh?
>>97156585So, playing correctly?Okay cheating retard.
>>97156590>UMMMM JUDGE HE DIDN'T SAY "KRIKK SON OF YAWGMOTH" WHEN HE PLAYED NEVERMORE. JUST KRIKK! SO IT DOESN'T WORK, RIGHT?!
>>97156585*Muffled protomen playing in the distance*
>>97156598THEY SAYTHIS CITYSHE'S BEEN DEADFOR YEEEEARS NOW
>>97156575>poker: using unethical means to take advantage of inexperienced opponents.the pencil trick, the stuff that lead to the borby rule, selectively reminding your opponents of stuff, naming white with flickering ward I did this last week but it's because I'm retarded
>>97156589NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST COUNTERSPELL MY CONFETTI FOIL SMOTHER TITHE! I PAID 700 DOLLARY DOOS FOR IT
>>97156589>X to doubt>HAHA OH WOW LOOK AT THESE ANONS CRASHING OUT WOAH REALLY GOT UNDER THEYRE SKIN HUH?just say you needed more (you)s
>>97156616I mean he is right
>"I'm going to play X.">"I counter it.">"Looks like I don't have enough mana I don't play it."
>>97156620He's not though not one person is that invested in his post
*eats ur life total*
>>97156626OK I laughed.
>>97156628I got like 7 unprompted (You)s and someone demanding I towel off and run downstairs to lay out my deck followed by anons crashing out about angle shooting and saying they're leaving. Peeps seem pretty invested to me (for some odd reason)
>>97156644the sanctity of brackets is sacred
>>97156609>selectively reminding your opponents of stuff>2 hour long 6 man game>guy has a Narset, Enlightened Exile with some auras on her that us making him game life like a mad man and giving him +1/+1 counters to the point its a 200/200>Can't get through the boards because people have blockers to throw in the way>"I don't know how to get through this">I look at my Revel in Riches>Quickly count the board>Other than the narset, there are 12 creatures out not counting mine>If you attack, you can cast my toxic deluge out of my graveyard and wipe the board and get us out of this game>"That's a good idea, thanks bro">Does, make my treasures>He kills one player and passes to me, and I tell him I won the gameIf this is wrong, I don't want to be right.
>>97156651DishonorabuCommit honorable sudoku
>>97156633My friend just added this to his Valgavoth deck, I'm scared.
>>97156651Greatness at any cost.>>97156609Flickering Ward has errata that it doesn't fall off from its own effect if you name white. It's a ruling from 2009.
>>97156633Why is card make artifact tokens? Why does it deal damage if someone pops their treasures? They could have made this card just flash in and deal damage to target creature, with maybe a self bounce and would have been far more flavorful
>>97156676>Why does Jaws make blood when it attacks and bites someone?Your question should probably be "why is blood an artifact"
>>97156644Nobody told you to jump out of a bath tub to post your deck, nobody is responding to you red in the face about your nonsense bro
>>97156676I imagine they wanted to center it around the Blood tokens but there aren't enough support pieces for them in existence so they needed to expand the triggers to ensure it isn't weak. Gotta make sure people buy the SL for reasons other than nostalgia.They went way too far though, it shouldn't trigger off other peoples' fields. Why does the man-eating shark benefit if my thopters get destroyed?
>>97156686By that logic you might as well just have every card depicting a creature that's going to stab or bite you produce blood tokens from combat
>>97156644Talking about your deck for several posts without even hooking us up with a moxfield link is annoying. Especially when this deck is apparently punching well above its weight class.
>>97156719WOAH PASSIONATE CRASH OUT BRO
>>97156633>whenever a nonartifact creature dies, if it was dealt damage by Jaws this turn, create a number of blood tokens equal to that creature's mana value plus 1>whenever you sacrifice a blood token, Jaws gets +1/+1 and first strike until end of turn. If this is the second time this ability has activated this turn, he gains vigilance until end of turn. If it is the third time, he gains indestructible until end of turn.Thoughts? I added the "plus 1" clause to prevent token swarms from being able to hard counter him. The blood tokens make Jaws primarily better at combat, with his legendary fortitude coming online with three blood, but because it only lasts until end of turn it requires continuous momentum and investment to enable him to remain at peak form.
>>97156644Holy fuck she's cute. FF really is the GOAT waifu set, I've never even seen this card before
>>97156701Sharks are connected to blood due to the whole "sharks can smell blood in the water" thing. The only animals more tied to blood are bats and leeches
When would you actually use this over costed pile of shit?
>>97156744I think jaws was a movie about shark ambushing people and disappearing for the next 20 minutes and his card should reflect that
>>97156761so it should have warp
Anti-human effects will only get stronger as the UB/SL singularity approaches. Most characters in normie media are humans.Invest early into effects that hate humans in particular or those that allow you to single out a specific tribe to punish/avoid punishment.
>>97156750>Sharks are connected to blood due to the whole "sharks can smell blood in the water"A lot of animals can do that>The only animals more tied to blood are bats and leechesYou missed the worst ones, ticks and skeeters
>>97156802that's no way to talk about your congressmen
>>97156802>27 creatures that mention blood tokens>1 shark, 1 bat, 1 construct, 1 human, 1 demon>the rest are vampiresI mean I get it, but yeesh
>>97156909the pains of a weird mechanic tied to a typal set.quasi related, Odric blood cursed should have been mardu, and when you sac blood tokens you give creatures +x/+x for each keyword they have.
Post crazy game stories or else your mother will die in her sleep>keep a 1 lander with dorks and walkers, say a silent prayer, and show everyone I kept a 1 lander as a flex>guy who win the dice roll mana drains the guy who went last's mana dork and fucks his hand and he scoops>1st guy balls out with his mana drain mana>get the planar bridge down after ramping with dorks and drawing my 2nd+3rd land and saccing my sakurai's tribe elder>1st place guy wastelands me>hit bahamut and nuke his best shit and his ramp rock>throw down oko and t3feri and nuke 2 more things(elked his commander)> guy in 1st place says he should scoop because hes down a land and has no more ramp and somebody already scooped which has ruined the game>lol>guy in 3rd place says its fine and to stop playing permenants, telegraphing a boardwipe >guy in 1st place doesnt have shit to play anyways and starts to rage>hit sphinx of the 2nd sun and then play minsc and boo and wrenn and worldbreaker>guy in 3rd place starts sweating and just says he has farewell so its no big deal but he wants to team up with the 1st place guy>I ask him if farewell hits walkers and smoke the 1st place guy with a 13/13 bahamut>1st guy ragescoops>guy in 3rd place scoops because he accepts he has no way to deal with 4 walkers after the farewell>we all get chicken at popeyes
>>97156931cool story bro, 2bad it never happened nor did i read it
>>97156974>>97156974>>97156974
>>97156976Your mother is going to die in her sleep. Im so sorry anon.
>played a game where my friend lent 3 of his decks to the other players at the table>he kept his Antivenom deck, the other 2 players got Wilhelt and a proxied Iron Man deck>I get Cosmic Spider Man, which the guy lending us this stuff continuously hyped up as being so incredibly overpowered that I was almost guaranteed a win>game begins, I'm setting up decently >our other friend playing Iron Man tutors commander's plate immediately and proceeds to mindlessly swing out at the Antivenom player and me on alternating turns to build up commander damage, nobody has anything that can stop him>Antivenom player who built all these decks is still warning everyone about how I'm going to pop off >I'm killed by Iron Man one turn before I have lethal damage to swing at him>while he finishes wiping out the rest of the board, I quickly skim through every card in this "broken" Spiderman deck>find that there are eight (8) interaction pieces in the entire fucking deck>5 are destroy/pacifist effects that only target creatures>2 are counterspells, one of which only works on instants and abilities>the remaining one is a single target exile>mfw the hyped up "OP deck" with access to all colors is essentially a bulk pile of spiders and clone effects for the commander with no vegetables to speak ofThis guy isn't even a bad deck builder, I have no idea how he fucked up so hard on this one. He didn't want to hear it when I criticized it either, I probably just sounded like I was malding from losing.
>>97156931I had a game against a cedh wishful in a very low bracket pod. I forget the exact board state he had, but it was moldratha, spore frog and something that enabled him to return spore frog at each upkeep. all of our win conditions were combat damage, so he pretty much hosed us and was just stalling for his combo pieces/the mana neededHe was going to win if no one could draw an answer. I hit sudden shock. cast it, hit him with lethal commander damage. Cedh wishful gets like boiling red in the face, didn't say anything, just packed up and left the store. Felt real good.
>>97156916>typal
>>97157042figured its a more fitting term with day night, enchantments, counters and tribal effects in play for mid/vow
>2 games last night>between FOUR different decks that TWO of the players used>nearly 80% of the same cards in all four>same tutors, same free counterspells, chimil urza, karn ulamog senseis etcwhat's the point? also I've come to the conclusion that tutors like vampiric/demonic and free counterspells like fow/negation are crutches
>>97161646I only run tutors in one deck (Orvar) to search for one card (Whims of Volrath).
>>97161646just play bracket 2 already
