What the fuck is "True Dweomer" supposed to be? Is it special magic or did my DM just randomly decide slurring the word Dreamer was a good idea
>>97167060I'm assuming D&D because you said "DM" and not "GM". In such a case. the Dweomer (pronounced like "dwimmer") is the pure force of Magic that is behind the veil. In Forgotten Realms the veil is famously called the Weave and maintained by Mystra, but in other settings it's just there and usually under the purview of any local god of magic. If not for the veil/Weave, the Dweomer would break free and drown the world in chaos and destruction. It is the veil that cordons off and translates the Dweomer into a comprehensible and echeloned series of magic spells, the study thereof is called the Art, and the divine deliverance thereof is called the Power.There is also an obscure class called the Dweomerkeeper which tries to keep the veil intact.So in other words you ran into Raw Magic™, are soon to come down with magicancer, and may be entitled to compensation.
>>97167060It's actually a variant of the Middle English "Dwimmer", which is an archaic term for magic leaning on the trickery and illusion aspect.
>>97167060You seriously have never heard the word dweomer before? Have you ever ready any books at all?
>>97169396Not OP, but I've read a whole lot and the only context I see the word in is D&D-based fantasy, and quite rarely at that. It's technically a natural-language word, but has become so rare outside such a specific context that it's effectively jargon.
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>>97167060Are you playing AD&D 2e? I remember True Dweomers originally being an invention for the Dungeon Master's Option: High-Level Campaigns book (discussed in Chapter 6). Simply put, they're 10th-level spells.
>>97167060What >>97167216 said, but in the rules, the word is also used for the specific enchantment placed on an item. It's why casting Dispel Magic on a +1 sword isn't enough to permanently make it a regular sword, the dweomer is more profound than just a spell effect. There are other spells though, like Dweomer Divest, which would let it be moved from one item to another.You can think of it like a string of data written in reality; an effect of magic is just a function of that string, but observation doesn't always tell you what exactly you're dealing with, which is how cursed items can remain unrevealed until wielded Identify tells you what it seems like it would do if you used it (third-hand information), Legend Lore tells you what it has actually done in the past (second-hand information), Dweomer Divination (lvl7) tells you what the magic in it actually fucking is.
>>97169482>Not OP, but I've read a whole lot and the only context I see the word in is D&D-based fantasyRead more. Start with Tolkien>It is ill dealing with such a foe: he is a wizard both cunning and dwimmer-crafty, having many guises.He's probably the reason it's in D&D at all. Gygax will have lifted it and taken a variant spelling like he did with>Lanthorn instead of lantern>Troglodites, may have just been bad spelling>Warder, instead of the slightly less old and still common warden which is nearly completely synonymous>Sorceror, could also be an accidental misspelling but it was often in the artwork for his column, though sometimes it was sorcerer.>Grey instead of North American gray in Greyhawk>Djinni instead of genieHe kept armoire through.The place I have encountered it most is completely outside of D&D. Dweomer is everywhere in Katherine Kerr's fantasy novels starting with Daggerspell.>the greatest master of the dweomer>he saw it with his dweomer sight>his sword leapt into his hand as if by dweomer>the true dweomer lies deeper>the dweomer-warning of dangerI'd like to say she averages using at least once every 5 pages for the first book alone. Despite gently chiding you for only encountering it in D&D, I would not recommend reading her books.
>>97169797>Start with TolkienRenowned peddler of archaisms, supporting my argument of it becoming quite rare.>The place I have encountered it most is completely outside of D&D. Dweomer is everywhere in Katherine Kerr's fantasy novels starting with Daggerspell.>fantasy novels>1994Much as with you pointing to Tolkien, I fully expect this to be thoroughly downstream from whichever D&D writer pulled it from him.
>>97169860>>19941986. Daggerspell is from 1986 not 1994.>I fully expect this to be thoroughly downstream from whichever D&D writer pulled it from him.You're probably right there, Kerr played rpgs and did freelance writing work for TSR and both of those are places she could have encountered the word but regardless of where she encountered it her fiction books are not D&D books. Not suggesting that you read Middle English, or Old English which is even more effort to learn, but dweomer/dwimmer is to be found in modern books outside of the D&D you know it from. For instance it's found in>OSRIC>Labyrinth Lord>Castles and Crusades>Dungeon Crawl Classics>a few d20 (which aren't D&D even if licensed under OGL)>Champions/Heroes>BESM>FASERIP>Savage WorldsSomeone might like to look in Palladium books. It's the sort of word Kevin would throw in if he knew it. He wrote an adventure series called "Siege on Tolkeen". That series or whichever world book is about Tolkeen would be the obvious places to look since Tolkeen is both a magical fantasy land and named after Tolkien.>supporting my argument of it becoming quite rareQuite the opposite. It had already become quite rare. It's more common today than it was 50 years ago when Gygax started to repopularise it.
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>>97167060You're a genuine worthless piece of shit moron
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