How is there a vampire in Lorwyn Edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-november-10-2025>NewsThe 2025 Magic Con and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>97168730 >TQIs Lorwyn Eclipsed gonna be good or bad?
Cool card.Way too expensive, but cool.Lorwyn looks good to me so far. Looking forward to drafting it. Been saving up, since I haven't played any UBslop.
Lorwyn Eclipsed (ECL)Released 2026-01-23>>97176697Were there vampires in the previous Lorwyn sets?
>>97176087>They do not care AND they are idiots.Yes, this is becoming clearer every day. WoTC have been the worst custodians of this game imaginable.
Premodern prices on MTGO has got to be the greediest thing I've ever seen
>>97176714this nigga loves deaf owls and trans vampires with down syndrome
>>97176697>Is Lorwyn Eclipsed gonna be good or bad?Worse. It's gonna be d&d slop full of technicolour races that are all the same.
This shit any good? Very good in draft, of course, but in standard?
Anyone play against this guy before? Currently running the clock down lol
>>97176697>How is there a vampire in Lorwynwe've known how for actual years, op
>>97176796We now have TWO cards showing strixhaven students in lorwyn and we've seen less than 30 cards. Is this their way of saying omenpaths are the new way of doing "blocks" over multiple planes?
>>97176697God, I miss old magic. Ravenous Baloth. Black Knight. Rancor. All of those bastards.
>>97176801Harry Potter fucks running around WHERE IS MISTMEADOW JACK
>>97176801>is this their way of saying omenpaths are the new way of doing "blocks" over multiple planes?again, we've known this for LITERAL years
>>97176817Based. Do they still include books with fatpacks or is that a thing of the past?
>>97176820They didn't neatly lead into the next set quite like this before
>>97176821>Do they still include books with fatpacks or is that a thing of the past?The last fatpack to include a novel was Eventide's, in 2008where the fuck are you people (like >>97176801)popping up from
>both Premodern youtube channels I watch put out a video today after barely having any for monthsPremodern leagues have been another win for Magic I guess
>>97176792Went up against him again lol
>>97176828At least it ended on a good note. On Shadowmoor, really loved the short story format. I can't remember his name, but the story of the cinder fucking up dozens of treefolk before getting snuffed was cool as hell.
reminder that this card is broken
>>97176860I remember playing Shadowverse back in the mid to late 2010s. I got to their highest level even broke the top 1000 once on their leaderboards for whatever that is worth. There was a new set every couple months and new cards that would always be just better than the old cards. So you had to basically put more and more money in every month. They also had a lot of cross promos and anime cards in their game from other series. It all felt very commercial. Like the soul of the game was being sucked out and fucked for money.I thought to myself. I'm glad magic would never sell out like this. I'm glad they've solved power creep at least a little bit. But here we are. Every couple months the next power creep happens, then the next, all to make the line go up. It can only go up so far until people lose interest and just like me with shadowverse they never play again.
>>97176697Every set takes us closer to a reality where traditional deckbuilding focused on card advantage and making hard choices is completely dead in every single format. WotC has made it very clear that if an older card in a format brings out problematic design elements of newer cards, they'll ban the old card to maintain their new agenda for the games playstyle. It's not about wizards casting spells to them, it's a creature dick measuring contest game. Creatures used to just be one part of a larger variety of strategies and compromises. Now there's no compromise because creatures are simply the best, and their supporting permanents can be even more broken because without a statline, at this point, a card can cost anything and do anything for any amount of mana. The power nine are barely fucking impressive at all and in a pre-FIRE modern deck, would be almost completely useless against the sheer value of a current year modern deck or standard deck.
>>97176763Yeah, it's a 2/4 creature tutor for 2 and green. Plus the untapping something for a 1 and a tap isn't bad as well.
Gran gran status?
>>97176880you'll hear from my lawyer
>>97176880heartless acts has been committed against her all weekend.
>>97176896Thankfully I got her a nice buddy her age, guided himself into her canyon and tapped her so she'd be turned on.CAPTCHA:MANXYW
The time is nigh.Come back to Premodern, /tg/.Come back home.
>>97176842Forgot to screenshot but in the next game, I cast guru, grabbed octopus form, then next turn he tried to kill spell gran gran when I had mana up, and went on another rant about my cheating when I used octopus form.
>>97176719No. Vampires are transformed humans and one of lorwyns unique features was that it didn't have humans.The story of lorqyn eclipsed is that strixhaven students are taking an excursion there leading into the strixhaven set at the end of the year.The focus is the strixhaven students with lorwyn as a backdrop for their conflicts
>>97176860>>97176869Am I getting baited? How is that card broken?
>>97176994Gay as fuck. Ironically the stories were much more interesting when blocks were entirely their own self contained stories.
Firebending works kinda nicely with foretell also. Hmm
>>97176869>my pay to win game was good when it was cheap, but bad when it's expensive :(just print proxies, play with friends, have fun
>>97177296Not really what he said at all. Sometimes, especially when I see a thought out post, I wish the replies actually added to the conversation. Instead its reddit gotchas
>>97177296How did you pull that message from that post?
>>97176697boy i hate omenpaths
>>97176994>The focus is the strixhaven students with lorwyn as a backdrop for their conflictsI've read through the first two sections and am part of the way through the third and this is accurate. It's a very painful read and the first time I've read an MTG story since they were in books form with fat packs. I hate the students. They are painfully stupid with small, pointless lives and goals. Everything feels like a bad collaboration event story where Lorwyn characters and places are merely backdrops for the characters to walk across on the way to their next destination. The brief moments where the students are off screen are better I suppose, but it still has not elevated itself to a passing grade. If I could nit-pick further, the descriptions are very poor and fixate on the wrong subjects. Is this really the best they could do?
>>97177013>>97175191
I've checked prices on singles for TLA and the only cards carrying this set are the badger and the owlwhat a flop
>>97176697I liked Lorwyn's weird one off creatures. Which were your favorite?
>>97176842Hi Deku_Justice
>>97177357sweet jesus that is amazing artthanks for posting it, never seen before
>>97177357I wonder why they named this imp Dieflyn. Apparently its an archaic spelling of Dublin which means black pool. Seems like a name better suited for a black/blue card.
>>97176821>>97176828Erhm, I think you mean "Packages of size". Your language affects people, be responsible with it!We call them "bundles" now, anythoeverwaybeit.
>>97176860Yes, all the pros got it wrong at worlds. They all missed the power of that card. Once it's power is discovered in standard it's only a matter of time for it to warp other formats like modern and legacy. I'd buy copies now, but I'm sure it will be banned once everyone finds out what you know about the card.
>>97177364Isn't black pool just a tarpit? Flaming oil is definietly BR
>>97177391Black pool refers to dark waters like Douglas refers to dark river. I don't think there are any tar rivers.
>>97177312>>97177320Sorry, I didn't read the post properly.
>>97176763Doubt it.
>>97177391Flame on
>>97176994>strixhaven students are in the front, with lorwyn as the backdropSo you can say, Lorwyn has been... Eclipsed
>>97177455Don't worry the students will be eclipsed by the Fomori and Oko, the previous fairy queen's secret brother.
>>97177374This but unironically, the "pros" are too busy shilling, insider trading with wotc and just copy decklists to have something decent to play.
Anyone with time to waste care to take a look at my WIP Vintage Cube for the boys?Definitely taking suggestions for the last 36 cards too if you have any. I haven't played since Mirrodin so I don't know shit.Most of this is from lists already online of cards that do what my friends say they like(d) about Magic.Don't worry about the specific versions, that's just what CubeForge defaulted to. Except the Godzillas. I put those on purpose.https://pastebin.com/h0i3M8iN
>Firebender ascension copy trigger can trigger multiple times in one turn after 4 counters, and retrigger the attack triggers which can trigger the quest counter again which can trigger the copy ability again>it can copy every attack trigger from every creature that is attacking and has an attack trigger>with firebending you literally get fucktons of free mana to cast other spells like extra combats to keep triggering FiAs copy trigger at least twice, granting you even more mana to keep casting spells>paired with Great Train Heist and draw spells you can practically end the game in one turn with one attacking creature>add other type of card that can copy spells>add bolts and removal>you got peak solitaireit's just mouse-cori red cancer all over againyou just can't close the game on t2 anymore
The balance of this game is in shambles, and you have to remember will be even worse with more sets next year.
>>97176714>butterface, girlboss pose, fatCan't we go back to the old, more impressionist art style? New cards look like they based them off real people, ugly ones at that.
>>97177644>fat what
>>97177013There is a resident retard who defines himself by his inability to evaluate cards.
>>97177495Any card that you have to jump through hoops to play is worse then one you don't. Isshin, Two Heavens As One does what Firebender Ascension does without needing FOUR ATTACK TRIGGERS to work at all, and guess what? Completely unplayable in every format.Your card is shit. On the turn it comes down, it's just giving you a 2/2 with nothing else, it forces deckbuilding restrictions by needing lots of creatures with attack triggers, it's takes fucking forever to get online and you have to play a bunch of creatures that suck ass on their own for it to do anything. It's a commanderbait card, nothing more.
Phew, i was worried that we'd be missing a few transwalker here and there, thanks Maro for affirming their stance!
>>97177740Why are you on Tumblr
>>97177744Why is Mark
>>97177746Because he's a fag. Are you?
>>97177750I don't know about the fag requirement to be on tumblr. But I trust you, fagxpert, on fag matters like this.
>>97177751You're also worried about shit like male to female planeswalker ratios, Magic's 'lore' and write deranged brainrot like "transwalker" so I'd say you've got a good grip on fag matters. Have some confidence.
>drop Firebender asc turn 2>won't be able to stop dropping triggers until turn 3>will get maybe 3 triggers then assuming everything goes perfectly>reach turn 4>"I cast my Zombify targeting Valgavoth">die
>>97177718It's definitely a 21st century look, a little pudge basically everywhere. It's a shame we aren't really getting fantasy art anymore. At best its cosplay art
>>97177740Its a great time to be a hater, many things suck and many people are stupid
>>97177765
>>97177644Personally I think it is a great win for diversity & inclusion that even blind people like you can enjoy magic. (Or at least could at some point in time)
>>97177740Translation https://youtu.be/Ex64iz-4UKA?si=0CzcPREWcuzDTaCg
>>97177791If you played this t1 it is literally impossible for you to get triggers t2 because it needs a lesson in the grave, dumbass
>>97177778Are we getting to the point where we see a woman with big tits and thighs for days and call it "a 21st century look"
>>97177824Women being good looking is a conspiracy made by incels to oppress the god's chosen, didn't you know that?Everytime you touch a boob a jew gets intestinal bleeding.
"Women! Watch at least 4 hours of netflix per day, only have one night stands and chug down antidepressants with wine. Don't forget the mandatory 10 hours of instagram, very important."-Karl Marx
>>97177819Street wraith lesson when?
>>97177878Just wait for the naruto set where sheldon cooper cums inside hinata's ass while spock pulls her nipples.
>>97177890Very hot
>>97177824No, she has a phenotype that I see in real life on a daily basis. It looks like it could have been a world champ card. This is certainly no saffi... well I mean the original printing... the new saffi art actually exemplifies the problem well.
>>97177873Wait...Are we unironically living in fahrenheit 451?
>>97177910Thank you, urza is an autistic incel and he will get defeated by spongebob, patrick and squidward—Discard a card (lore canon).
>>97177936Not really. They haven't invented giant spiderscorpion mechs yet.
>>97177740Good thing that there are gender quotas for desparking, it's really important!
>>97177949Well march of the machines is not canon so whatever, anything happened after eldritch moon is hasbro fanfiction.
>I turned myself into a pickl...into a 5G tower and then got defeated by the power of empathy in an afternoon, then wakanda happened and the white incels got defeated forever and ever and everyone lived happily ever after>yawgmoth? who the fuck is that schizo? urza? what the fuck is unc yappin about :skull:
>>97177945I don't remember anything about that in the book.Seems like a thing that would be hard to forget.
>>97177990yawgmoth was an incel though, literally
>>97178006It's when the protagonist runs away from the regime. They have an eighth legged robot mech that shoots out needles with a lethal amount of anaesthetic to hunt down people who have books and they send it after him
>>97178020Oh yeah, for some reason I thought of them as humanoid
>I died offscreen because I slipped on a banana peel, and then the patriarchy was no morehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa-ZIXJdDW4
>>97178042But New Phyrexia was a matriarchy
>>97178057Instant ramen.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc_QjKyzf4Y
>>97178020It especially annoyed me how the adaptation made it a robot dog. It's easily the coolest part of the setting
Perfect Girl
>>97178092I can fix them.
>>97176860Commander player post
>>97176714SHE MAKES ME SO HARDMTG ISNT SUPPOSED TO BE A COOMER GAME
Is this the one and only ub card that doesn't have dogshit art? It stood out to me.
>>97177990>>97178042What the fuck are you talking about?
>>97178333>Iroh doesn't have FirebendingF L A V O RF A I L
>>97177718>>97177824Compare this >>97176714To this >>97176737>>97177357>>97177644Beauty standards clearly have trended in the direction of chubbier since the mid 2000s. Dont get me wrong I wouldn't turn down a slampig, but I also wouldn't want my gf/wife to look like that forever.
>>97176714That's a dude. White Guilt-leaf's new beauty standard is trans.
>>97178333ATLA does have a few cards with that old school feel
>>97178341>he was not around when pinkertons were intimidating wives and smashing down doors
>>97177740This game is so fucking hard to quit hopefully this shit sucks really bad or is overt enough to finally push me out
>>97177765Hey man you're an aggro deck, you should have plenty of ways to sacrifice 3 nonland permanents. Ahhhh shit you put all your cards into burn and pump spells? That sucks real hard brah. Guess that kicker 4 damage ain't doing shit.
>>97178434Every time I hear this story it gets more extremeWhat actually happened?
>>97178469just a sec, let me dig my folder to show you how I won this exact scenario
>>97178480The kidnapped and tortured the guy in a blacksite.
>>97178483>>97178480Here we go.
>>97178480Wotc sent the pinkertons disguised as police to a guy's house, they waited until he went to work to bang on the door and tell his wife he had stolen goods or something inside his house and if she didn't open the door she would have been sued for millions (it was an excuse because if she willingly opened the door then they would have been legally allowed to enter the building), she opened the door and they entered the house, wiped clean his laptop and destroyed the (dogshit) cards he got shipped by wotc's mistake.All that for a set that was so shit now wizards shamefully pretends it doesn't even exist.
>>97178504Shoulda sent the cards to get graded lol
>>97177644the card you posted looks like lord farquad with tits mate you are not a good authority on good looking art in cards
>>97178534The point is style not execution
>>97178495His fault for not running removal.
>>97178545>butterface, girlboss pose, fatNone of those are styles. Maybe the pose.
>>97178545the point is dicks, implied
>>97178568Anon was saying he wanted more impressionism
>>97176714This is 1000% modeled after some OF thotIve seen that face before i just cant remember which casting couch
>>97178571?
>>97178573Impressionism has nothing to do with those complaints anon listed.
>>97178588Be that as it may you are still intentionally missing the point it seems
>>97178586Not the first time it happens, a nami skin from league of legends had the same exact face of a chaturbate whore, no it was not tidecallernami (a real bitch), it was another whore I can't quite remember the name now since she's been offline for more than 15 years.And I've seen this shit happen in other instances.
>>97178610No, you're missing the point.>New cards look like they base them off real peopleA significant aspect of impressionism was that they looked more like real scenes than idealized versions. At best it's a huge misunderstanding of impressionism, at worst it's a cowardly attempt to mask your real complaints with something that sounds more agreeable. Just look up "impressionism nude" and you'll see pages of fat butterfaces (poses vary). If your issue with the art is that she isn't fuckable enough, at least have the spine to say it out loud.
>>97178641more like real people, not necessarily real scenes*
>>97178504Ao they hired private detectives to retrieve their property instead of resorting to costly lawsuits and this is bad... why exactly?You don't own something just because it gets missent to you.
>>97178651I know you're trolling because you're a dumb fag but I'm pretty sure it's illegal to pretend you're the police to trick people into opening the door on top of that.And the cards got spoilered like 18 hours later.>You don't own something just because it gets missent to you.Based and WEFpilled.
>>97177357Overbeing of myth, I will always love the flavor of the UG cards of eventide.
I'm still hoping Chippy comes back, if only as a one-of.
>>97178675Did they pretend to be police or did the wife just not realize they were private detectives?>WEFpilledAre you a teenager fresh off the boat from pol? No you dont own something just because its missent to you. The adult world does not operate on your playground rules of finders keepers. Taking mail intended for someone else is THEFT. Sounds like you are the one doing the trolling because you are on some personal crusade against a card game.
>>97178651>You don't own something just because it gets missent to you.In the US, as long as you're the intended recipient you actually do own it. Even if they wrongfully sent something they didn't intend. It's only when the label is for someone else that it's considered theft. I know that's not what happened here, but still.
>>97177644lmfao I can't stop laughing at this postIf that art was revealed as is today, it'd 100% be 99 posts calling it a man
>>97178705They specifically disguised as police and you will never be a woman.
>>97178708He thinks he's a woman, do you think you can use logic with him?
>>97178697I want to believe
>>97178750>>97178739>muh tranniesNot arguments>>97178739As long as they didn't claim to be police it doesn't matter how they looked, without a warrant you dont have to let anyone in.>>97178708Again you dont know the law, we dont operate on finders keepers principle. They retrieved stolen property instead of suing him. Thats all there is to it. End of discussion.
>>97177359See I don’t even care beyond some anon (not you) losing his gourd if I don’t censor every single name in a screenshot but I always forget one for myself lol
>>97177791Shame they didn't go with the original version of the art.
>>97178686>at the beginning of your draw step, draw a cardUmm, I was going to do that anyway, but thanks for the reminder text I guess?
>>97178981
just realized a really nice interaction between these two.you can nuke your opponent's board while only pinging yours for 1 at instant speed
>>97179210more abstractI can still vaguely tell what it is supposed to be
>>97179257Yeah, Fated Firepower is cool, but it is really not worth it to run in 60 card formats
>>97179268i disagree
>>97179287bro you're literally going up against a starter deck
>>97179292otters more your speed?
>>97179306I'm literally just seeing two tier fifteen decks versus each other. Your opponent literally has jill just because it's his waifu on board for god's sake
>>97179287>going beyond t3that's your mistake
>>97179315>two tier fifteen decks versus each other.that's real magic
>airbending is mid>earthbending is bad>waterbending is eh>firebending is the only thing that can somewhat keep up with the current gameIt's going to be another year of firei can't with this game anymore
>>97179427BUT THE MOLE
>>97179433Cumandamara stapletoo slow for real mtgit dont count
Haven't been about in a wee while, is the guy who was posting that boros chainsaw deck still about? Did you settle on a list you were happy with? Was thinking about trying it out.
>>97177364Why does this cost 4 mana?
>>97179491Flying in red used to be rarer than a woman in a tourney.
>>97179427>>97179450>earthbending is bad>too slow for real mtgbro earthbending is by far the most powerful of the four abilities and badgermole cub has been putting in work in standard, pioneer, modern and legacy
>>97179502Haven't phoenixes and dragons been around for a hot minute though?
>>97179427you are a zero iq nigger it's literally earth > air > water > fire as far as meta cards are concerned
>>97179521A mono-red flier for 3 mana or less without some drawback used to be practically unheard of.
>>97178413Actually, she gives no fucks about pronoun shit.I'm not kidding. There's a part in the story where she argued with the OP pic about the latter's pronouns, and she doesn't give a fuck that he's a "they/them."
>>97176925You did sign up for lobstercon premodern anon? It only sold out in 90 seconds.
>>97178651>Their propertyNo, it was his. He paid for a product, and WotC sent it to him.
>>97178651you don't get it wotc is literally pure ontological evil and only neonazi fascist chuds like mtg and d&d!!
>>97177857> Everytime you touch a boob a jew gets intestinal bleeding.Chat is this true? Does it work on my own boobs!?
>>97179684He specifically said "Women"
I want Dawson's Creek Secret Lair
>>97179689Im trans does that count? I still have a weiner and balls but i tuck them in and my huge bush hides it.
>>97176737mtgo is an easy attack vector for market manipulators, look into the pauper playable commander cards and despair.
>>97178418Meh. I don't see it.
>>97176714>>97178319Engineered hype.
>>97179592Whacky. I guess Goblin Sky Raider was the first of his kind. I do remember chandra's phoenix being a big deal in rdw when it was released in m12 but it never really struck me as an exceptional card until now.
>>97178495Opponent is on Dismal Backwater, Ba Sing Se-anon
My MTGO Opposition Birds Premodern deck need her!BRING HER BACK!
>>97178981shouldn't fire be turned around?
>>97180199>her
>>97180231mature female facial features. this is obvious to non-trannies.
if i want to pick up chicks (real women, not ugly as sin crossdressers), do i need to play cuntmander?
>>97180340You will not find women playing magic the gathering.
>>97179502The best and most iconic red creature in Alpha flies
How long until premodern commander takes over the game?
>>97180350I've played against multiple women and traps in Japan.
>Detective>Doctor>Hero>Dog>Capybara>Villain>Scientist>Performer>Infinity Stone
>>97180378Cool story bro, is this japan?
>>97180365>premodern commanderhow does that even work, does everybody play 5c good stuff?
>>97180378>women>Japan
>>97180359Also the most iconic white and black
>>97180396>hero
>>97180396>Raccoon>Mutant>Clown>Time Lord>Astartes>Tiefling>Halfling
Don’t worry, I’m sure Gavin means to print powerful white cards into Standard NEXT decade for real this time
>>97180441based UB bringing Magic back to its roots
>>97180365> How long until premodern is used to sell expensive Illustration rares of old staples.Or proxies become widely excepted and you can have a white weenie yinglet deck that runs crusade.
>>97180468>>97180365forgot image
>>97180444>Symbiote>Pilot>Kangaroo>Robot>Spacecraft>Planet
Cuts? I think its wrath, deadly precision and the corrupt official. Penguin and Sokka seem good.Weird draft, I was basically mono blue till pack 2 pick 10 and then double sold out, could had gotten 2 more. I have two platypus bears that look mighty tempting here.
>>97180625I would cut precision, serpent, and a swamp
>>97180673Oh also a grasp or something for a creature, even a shitter like platy bear would be fine.
>>97180673>>97180681Are you the 16 lands fag?
>>97180687No idea what you're talking about, so probably no. The curve is low enough, there's plenty of card draw/selection, and it's Arena bo1 (I assume). Pretty much perfect conditions to go 16 lands.
>>97180687>I've never heard of running different land ratios before, therefore it has to be this one specific guy
>>97177560Use cube cobra for analytics and easy reading.
Is there a good amount of variety in premodern leagues so far? Looking at goldfish, it seems like most trophy lists are some kind of aggro. I was thinking of getting a standstill or rock list on modo, but I'd rather not enter the format if its too repetitive.
isn't every format some flavor of aggro?
>>97180880Not a single one?
>>97180880Fucking zoom zooms have no idea what MUC decks were like back in the day.
>>97180933i was playing yugioh 20 years ago while mtg goth tards were constantly fucking seething at us playing with anime cards
>>97180954>YugiohAs they should have. As we should still be able to do if not for WoTC cucking us. Now fuck off weeb.
>>97176853My favorite was the bedtime story to the kithkin about the brothers all dying by trying to find the last one that died
>>97181010>aaaah le weebsshouldn't have release Finaru Fantashi unibersus beyondumirai wa ima desu, jiji
>>97180496>Gamma>Skrull>Walrus>Echidna>Cyberman>Time Lord>Platypus
>>97181038I have no idea what you're saying. I don't speak moon. Get that japanese chode out of your mouth before talking.
>>97180880Not the 100 card multiplayer one
>>97181056Speaking of mouths; How's that non-binary feet fetish xey/xhem wotc design team approved tranny penis tasting?Maybe buy some official fake cards for 2000 epic dollars and calm yourself.
>>97180625parrot and precision I'd go forif you're on bo1 I'd probably just play 41 else you can safely cut black sun cause it's better on side
>>97180855I haven't played a league myself but I would imagine the earlier you get into it, the more likely you are to find people trying diverse stuff since all the new players want to check out the new format on the clientleague results don't paint an accurate picture anymore ever since they went back to only showing the curated lists
>>97176697Even the vintage cube sucks ass now. I'd love to play the holiday cube V1 in paper but sadly I lack a spare $100k. How do you even design a fun cube with recently released cards? Everytime I try it, I feel like it's impossible to design for strategies that aren't just creature based value decks. When I try to avoid that, I feel like I end with almost all common creatures and the most powerful non-creatures and it just feels weird.
>>97181291The trick is to make a time spiral block cube and then you can have fun.
>>97181291>with recently released cardsYou don'tYou make a fun cube by limiting it to cards that have pre m15 frame (the imbalanced one with the fucked up borders and the holostamp on rares/mythics) printings only
>>97180396>>97180444>Alien>Skrull>Klingon>Cardassian>Ferengi>Vulcan>Bajoran>Andorian>Q
>>97180396>>97180444>>97181696>Turtle>Shreddrer>Mutagen>Sneak>Utrom>PizzaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
https://www.hareruyamtg.com/en/deck/1170822/show/It's up.
>>97180625CRINGE and SLOPPILLED
>>97181696The Alien type vexes me the most. Any time you could have an "alien" type, it'd be better in every way to use the name of that alien's species, even if it's a one-off type for that card. The Skrull and Symbiote types would seem to be an indication that they have abandoned the type permanently, even in UB sets, but sadly, they did make a single Alien tribal card, so some dipshit redditor is going to complain about not having any new Aliens for his EDH deck until they inevitably bring it back.
>>97180403There are lots of legends in those old sets. https://mtgdecks.net/Premodern/staples/legendsKeep in mind that there was EDH long before 2011.
>>97182096I mean, yeah, but [your color combination] goodstuff described the vast majority of commander decks even back then.
>>97182113It still defines commander decks today. No reason to play the bad stuff because it's bad even in commander. It's why most EDH decks are generally the same 80+ cards with maybe 12 of them being pics that work best with the particular legend.
>>97182120the thing is that, no matter how you cut it, the format where people widely play trash jank that people constantly try to find anywhere, be it premodern, pauper or commander, will never be anything but a pipe dream because people would rather run good cards and win.
Watch them make the modern legal LOTR set become standard legal as soon as the hobbit set drops.>captcha: HD DAD
>>97182072It's a wastebasket taxon along with beast and construct. They'll probably just use it for aliens who never had their species revealed.
i think what bothe me the most about all this UB trend is not the cringe shit, not even the amount of sets, well yeah, both shits are pretty crazy and horrible, but can you fathom the amount of fucking legendary creatures we will have by the end of 2027? the sheer amount of stupid "Legendary X" and "Legendary Y" we will have the disgrace of eat across all formats? Even multiple legendary versions of the same creature like Spiderman or Aang...
>>97182204so I could play samwise combo in pioneer? lets fucking go
>>97182204Actually they will retroactively make all existing UBs standard legal
>>97182140I think the mistake is expecting a game designed and balanced entirely around drafts (if even) would ever have a format where anyone plays anything but the best cards in the format for the decks they're running. Vast majority of cards are draft chaff and a good number of them aren't even good for that either. The only place any of the bad cards have is in Draft where it might be what actually wins the game for you or any single-block or single-set formats. All formats always turn out to be just the absolute best cards available because there is ZERO attempt to balanced between blocks and certainly no attempts whatsoever to balance between sets in the entirety of MTG history. Draft is the closest thing to a balanced format for MTG.
>>97182218They already did that long before UB with the 50 variations of every planeswalker. Nothing new here.
Uh oh. Looks like Izzet took over standard again. Izzet dominates the format yet again just like it did for that last year. 11 bans were not enough.
What do you think is Maro reaction that all the oldfags are moving to PreFIRE format?
>>97176714Could it be they meant PREFECT instead of PERFECT?
>>97182340Probably doesn't care. He just wants to print Bagel and Schmear or Top Ramen as a 1 cost artifact.
>>97182361No it's actually Perfect, lorelet
It turns out a 1R looting beatstick that can give you an additional combat with delirium is actually retardedly strong, who knew.
>>97178586>This is 1000% modeled after some OF thotbased if real
>>97182422They could have picked a hotter prostitute to model their B/G dommy mommy OC after
>>97182340they dont buy product like commander players do so he probably doesnt care at all
>>97182420Reminder that kikes decided all blue and red creatures needed 3 toughness to avoid trading with other color low drops because fuck you goyim Oy vey
>>97182361It's her caste term. 40 years have diluted the caste terms.
>>97182460Gay
>>97182340nose only cares about getting his shekels
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>>97182361The amount of secondaries outing themselves with this new Lorwyn set is incredible.
>>97182532>"You think you want it, but you are wrong.">"I actually know better than you what you WANT."This is literally just bald faced narcissistic gaslighting holy fuck.
>>97182532Someone should ask him to list the reasons he believes Premodern has taken off.
>>97182532This man has the attitude of an abusive spouse trying to convince you he's the good guy for beating you.
>>97182532HEY MARKI GOT INTO PREMODERN LITERALLY SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE IT DOES NOT HAVE UBI STARTED LOOKING INTO IT BECAUSE UB WAS BEING INJECTED INTO EVERY FUCKING FORMATTHE FIRST ARGUMENT I GO TO WHEN TRYING TO GET MORE PEOPLE INTO IT IS THAT IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY UB
>>97182460This "worldbuilding" is extremely shit, shallow and boring.
Hey bros.Got a leak for you:Q is going to be a Planeswalker in the Star Trek set.
>>97176994>The focus is the strixhaven students with lorwyn as a backdrop for their conflictsThat sounds dreadful
>>97182616>That sounds dreadful
>>97180340Every single one of these "how do I find woman who enjoy my hobby" questions are retarded, because if there was a reliable way, you would have met one of those single women already. The space is so male-dominated that any single woman has her pick of the litter, and it's probably going to be the sperg who can't go outside his comfort zone.Take that shit to /soc/.
>>97182615but planeswalkers cant be commanders yet
>>97182657>walkers can't be commandersBut some can already
>>97182657>>97182678The problem with planeswalkers in commander is that everyone attacks them. Commander is a gay fucking game of diplomacy and just the threat of your planeswalker's ult is enough to turn the table on you. It's distorted the whole game away from planeswalkers. Many people on here cheer for it. But I can only see commander's shitty influence on the game as a bad thing no matter what the outcome. Fuck EDH. Fuck WoTC. Fuck DEI. And Fuck all the pay piggies who support this shit.
>>97182701>game of diplomacyRichard Garfield's ideas are hit and miss, but his assertion that a "game" about politics is not actually a game was spot the fuck on.
>>97182701>>97182723"In my experience critiquing games, the concept that has caused themost dispute is politics. I refer to a game as political if it hasmore than two players, or sides, and during a significant portion ofthe game the other players could agree to make you lose. Two-sidedgames, like Magic, chess, bridge, and basketball, are never political.Right now my study of political games is riddled with judgement calls,making it far from precise. For example, Yahtzee is a game for morethan two players that isn't particularly political: I could win evenif everyone else decides I shouldn't. RISK is highly political,however, since one person cannot expect to beat the rest of theplayers allied together unless they account for less than half thepower in the game.There are some good things about political games. Any player usuallyhas a chance to catch up, no matter how far behind he or she might be.A political game is as deep as the players wish to make it: simple andstraightforward, or convoluted and laden with conspiracy.That said, I lean towards games where politics take a back seat. Ihaven't always felt that way, but over the years I have found thatwhen I played games with a strong political component, the game itselfdidn't matter much.Playing Nicely With Others--------------------------There is a wide array of opinions, often passionate, about the role ofpolitics in games, with equally intelligent folk at all extremes.Most people who have played a lot have had some good experiences withpolitical games. It is always hard to draw conclusions from past gameexperience, though, because good players can make any game fun.Similarly, it is hard to determine whether a political game is itselfat fault or if the players aren't playing well. When someone isalways whining about being behind, is that a problem with the playeror the game?
>>97182755Players often increase their enjoyment of political games byestablishing unwritten rules of conduct. I know circles where whiningis punished by group attacks. Other groups forbid negotiations, oronly allow players to exert limited influence. Players are commonlyexpected to maximize their personal position even when they have nochance of winning. Often it is difficult to figure out exactly whatthe rules are, and playing around on the boundary of what isacceptable is risking group displeasure. When the game depends onunwritten rules, I usually credit the players with creating a lot ofthe fun, rather than the game.There is a lot of potential for abuse in games where players can traderesources freely, since two players who cannot win individually couldflip a coin and give the winner all their pooled resources to create asingle viable position. To prevent such abuse, groups sometimesoutlaw coin flips or random decisions, but players can stillcircumvent such efforts b alternating the "winner" between games or bydeveloping understandings. For example, if John is out of the runningin this game and gives me good trades or gifts, he will get reciprocalconsideration in the future.
>>97182759Bad Games and Good Politics---------------------------Many features crop up frequently in political games that I considerbad game elements. A major part of the strategy in a political gameis to draw attention to other people's positions and attempt to playthem off against one another. One of the easiest ways to do this isto take a weak position. This may not immediately appear to be bad,but the implications are profound: if you _choose_ a weak position,then it is not actually weak. And if weak positions really have thesame power, then how you play the game doesn't make much difference.What really matters is how you play the players, whether the game isRISK or Family Business.One of the most unpleasant features of a political game is what Irefer to as kingmaking. Kingmaking happens when a player who has nochance of winning can choose who does win. This holds some charm forbeginners, because being a kingmaker allows revenge against irritatingplayers, and justifies diplomacy - the winner is chosen by someoneelse. The advanced player tends to dislike kingmaking, though,because it trivializes the time spent playing. The longer the gamegoes on, the more irksome is such an ending.Another depressing thing about many political games is the way theyencourage passive play. If attacking another player costs me and myopponent resources, then there is a strong incentive to sit back andlet other people fight. Games that have this characteristic can be alot of fun if some of the players ignore this and attack anyway, butare real drag if everyone sees waiting as a disadvantage. How manytimes have you seen one player get sick of doing nothing and say,"Well, I have to be going, so I have to attack"? Boredom should notbe an incentive for conflict in a game.
>>97182755His is confirmed to be a smart man.Misguided in some of his design pursuits, but at least capable of thinking through his goals.Unlike some people.
>>97182762It is a good exercise to evaluate the effect of politics on gamesinvolving more than two sides. This can be quite a challenge, andpeople who meet it often come out with a different perspective on thegames they play. The result for me was discovering that mostpolitical games were, underneath the veneer, the same game, and that Iwas tired of playing that game."-- Richard Garfield, The Duelist, June 1997
>>97182767>>97182762>>97182759>>97182755Based truthposter
>>97182767>The result for me was discovering that most political games were, underneath the veneer, the same game, and that I was tired of playing that game.he was truly a wise man
>>97182621It gets worse as you continue to read. As an open question: Is this the usual standard of MTG writing or is it exceptional in its poor form? I checked out when they called merfolk "bipeds."
>>97182460Caste system in not-India plane when? >High Brahmin Saheeli
>>97182871>Is this the usual standard of MTG writing or is it exceptional in its poor form?Honestly?It's rather high quality compared to most post-WAR MTG writing.
>>97182871I think lorwyn and dominaria are the only planes with non-bipedal merfolk.
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>>97182871>Is this the usual standard of MTG writing or is it exceptional in its poor form?When put up against how Jace first greeted Loot,Karn (the pacifist) crushing skulls with his bare hands and the insect piss guzzling vampires of DFT?"Beautifully rounded" is a breath of fresh air.
>>97182925Just spitting facts.MTG writing ranges from simply abhorrent to morally abominable literary atrocities.
>>97182871MtG writing has consistently been an afterthought if even that, and it has always showed in the quality. WotC's writing is consistently in the realm of Potential Man where the setting has a lot going on then the story is the most atrocious dogshit you ever read and only moves forward because everyone involved (including the allegedly smart characters) acts like a retard.For context, the way Weatherlight (which many consider the best story arc in Magic's history) concluded was Guff changing the future to guarantee heroes win. Despite this happening, and Urza knowing this happened, Urza gives up right at the end and gets his head cut off (WotC retroactively tried to justify this 3 times). Then, AFTER getting his head cut off, Urza's severed head exposits that actually the whole time Karn was a superweapon capable of oneshotting Yawgmoth and all they needed to do was plug the batteries into him. (The batteries being Urza's laser eyes which everyone naturally had the whole time).
>>97182950>then the story is the most atrocious dogshit you ever readpretty much sums it up
>>97182871>Is this the usual standard of MTG writing or is it exceptional in its poor form?>That one time the BBEG built infinitely useful interplanar infrastructure for her enemies, altered all the armies of the most powerful villain faction in MTG lore to die instantly the instant she died, then got into a fight and didn't defend herself and died like a moron bringing all of Phyrexia, a three-decades-old beloved villain faction of the setting, with her.No actually the nuLorwyn story so far is fucking Tolkein compared to the shit MTG usually gets.
>JotC still pushing slampigs in the age of ozempicEven hollywood celebs are going into anorexia territory nowSurprised we haven't seen more Mr. Skellington cards. But then again JotC is always late. Maybe we'll see those skellingtons in 5 years .
You hated the jacetice league so much they had to give us real super heroes, it's your fault anons...
>>97182973>nuLorwyn so farThat's the thing, WotC is all about building shit up and then shitting the bed because they never actually think about the repercussion of their setting choices. It's all flourish and no substance. Eventually it comes down to the dumbest deus ex machina to save it from collapsing on itself.
>>97182989>Eventually it comes down to the dumbest deus ex machina to save it from collapsing on itself.>Nicol Bolas is about to enact his plan to kill all other Planeswalkers and take command of the entire multiverse...>...except he hinged his entire plan on trusting Liliana Vess, the character literally fucking defined by how often she betrays people.>Elesh Norn's grand plan is proving to be unstoppable and she will invade the entire multiverse all at once...>... except the schoolchildren of Arcaivos, the mini monsters of Segovia and the barren fucking wastelands of bumfuck-empty-at-the-time Thunder Junction defeat her armies, and also all her armies disappear into dust when she dies without putting up a fight.>Valgavoth is an infinitely powerful reality-warping demon...>... except he can't go through the Omenpaths like very single other mundane being in the entire.
Is Gro-a-tog a legit top tier deck in Premodern?I want to play something with Gush + Mox Diamond. i love that synergy.
>>97182950Didn't they specifically need Yawgmoth on Dominaria so they could channel the power from the moon into him through Karn?
>>97183016>Valgavoth is an infinitely powerful reality-warping demon...That is bound to the house. That's like, his whole deal. It's the main worldbuilding thing of his setting.
>>97182950Man, to think the Legacy Weapon ending to the Weatherlight Saga was actually good in comparison to shit slop we get now...
>>97182871>The most cunning and strategic BBEG in the multiverse's history stands right next to the only two entities capable of killing him>It's okay though they're mind controlled>Oh wait he gave the admin account on the mind control to someone he knows is on the heroes' team for literally no reason before locking himself out of the system so he couldn't instantly stop it if for some unforeseeable reason she betrays him>Ends the most marketed story in the game's history with a trilogy of books so bad that the third book gets cancelled and half of the story gets retconned because even Magic players couldn't tolerate it
>>97183042He can grow the house, anon.
>>97183023It's tier 2; you can win with it but it won't play itself.
>>97182762>One of the most unpleasant features of a political game is what I refer to as kingmaking. Kingmaking happens when a player who has no chance of winning can choose who does winThis is literally my biggest issue with commander. The first and last game I played of it my friend just made me win. I didn't even have a good deck just a bunch of random cards I threw together from my cube.
>>97183048but he still has to stay within those growths.
>>97183062The Omenpaths reach every plane, anon.
>>97183066okay? and?they're portalsit's not like he's going to build a hallway through a portalare you stupid
>>97183077>they're portalsNo they aren't. You are factually wrong and proven wrong by every available source within the lore.
>>97183051nice arts.I hope chinaman has some decent versions of those DCI cities and swords
>>97183106provide sources
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>>97183077>>97183129>>97183158>>97183077The Omenpaths have always been described as just a regular ass hole you walk through with your regular ass legs.>it's not like he's going to build a hallway through a portalThey literally built roads through them in DFT mate.
>>97183117All mentions of them within canon lore.
>>97183129>>97183158>not being able to parse "portal" ie. place of entry from "portal" ie. magical fantasy teleportation methodlow language comprehensionngmi
>>97183184Don't you see the literal portal behind him you absolute retard?
>>97183158>He 3/4 was so close to perfecting his designWhat did they mean by this?
>>97183218He'd be perfect at 4/4
>>97183129Wow this art is bad
>>97183214Yes, the hole in the multiverse universally described as simply something you can regularly waltz through without any additional magical effort, and it leads you directly to where you were going with said mundane effort.The Omenpaths require no special knowledge to traverse. Nothing within the lore, other than pure handwave fiat, is stopping Valgavoth from expanding his house through them.
>>97183229Omenpaths are variously stable or unstable. There are consistent, never closing omenpaths (the majority of the ones used during the aetherdrift race), omenpaths that open and close in a predictable fashion like tidal zones (some other aetherdrift race tracks), and those that open spontaneously but close just as quickly (these let the mad max morons flood into the race).Valgavoth is at the point where he can only very briefly create one of the third kind, but obviously as the narrative requires, he might get an “upgrade” to create more permanent pathways. If this is the case though, the heroes are just going to find a way to cut off omenpaths, basically amputating the “limb” before it takes over another plane.However, besides a debate about portal logic and power scaling, there are a few reasons I think this would be dumb.1. Valgavoth already has a near-infallible grasp on his plane, and potential for serious outside interference as it stands is basically zero (especially with planeswalkers becoming such a rarity)2. Valgavoth already had a fully functioning ecosystem in his plane before the omenpaths allowed him to start being more aggressive in his “farming” and wouldn’t need to make the farm any bigger3. Despite turning an entire plane into his personal mental rape and breeding camp, basically no interplanar force cares enough to oppose him, and invading other planes would draw all ire towards him
>>97183269All three of your arguments amount to "The evil demon just stopped being evil!"That's stupid. Shut up.
>>97183106They look like triangles while Loot's look like circles.
>>97183280>They look like triangles while Loot's look like circles.And they both go in the square hole.
>>97183172provide specific examples
>>97183295I'm not your nanny. Go do it yourself.
>>97183277>The evil demon just stopped being evilWhat? I never said he wasn’t evil. I even explicitly said his entire plane is a mind rape and breeding factory. The point is that he’s pragmatic. The entire plot of duskmourn was him trying to learn about as many planes as possible to expand his hunting grounds. An invasion into another plane as such would be a costly endeavor and one he would be unlikely to try without an almost full guarantee of success.And like I said, they might bend the rules for the sake of the narrative, but that wouldn’t make it a consistent or satisfying choice. Already a lot of the tonal stuff with duskmourn is all over the place, like them somehow being permitted to participate in the Whacky Races for a spark despite it being well known that the plane is run by an insane demon.
>>97180746https://cubeforge.app/cubes/SNwEh0ixcYFXDaDcx6e7https://cubecobra.com/cube/list/ab0b2417-b092-4b2d-90f1-ffae612b533a
>>97183299>What? I never said he wasn’t evil>"If I don't explicitly state it, it isn't plainly implied."Fuck off, retard.
>>97183301I can’t tell if you’re ESL or just retarded. What part of “he runs a mind rape and breeding factory” means “I think he’s not evil”
>>97183296no. you have failed to convince me. omenpaths are portals, valvagoth not being able to build through them makes sense. nothing about my position has changed, because i have not been shown any evidence to the contrary.
>>97183312>What part of “he runs a mind rape and breeding factory” means “I think he’s not evil”The>1. Valgavoth already has a near-infallible grasp on his plane, and potential for serious outside interference as it stands is basically zero (especially with planeswalkers becoming such a rarity)>2. Valgavoth already had a fully functioning ecosystem in his plane before the omenpaths allowed him to start being more aggressive in his “farming” and wouldn’t need to make the farm any bigger>3. Despite turning an entire plane into his personal mental rape and breeding camp, basically no interplanar force cares enough to oppose him, and invading other planes would draw all ire towards himpart.
>>97183301Are you genuinely autisticIf you don't know for certain I suggest you seek an evaluation soon>>97183318Literally none of that says "not evil"
>>97183323>Literally none of that says "not evil"Arguments have implications, moron.
>>97183318Again how does any of that make it seem like I was saying he wasn’t evil? 1 lays out his current position of power and security in his domain. 2 lays out how his needs and desires are already largely satiated. 3 lays out a major potential risk to his hegemony that an invasion into other planes would bring.How does any of that make him not evil?
>>97183329>Again how does any of that make it seem like I was saying he wasn’t evil?You can figure it the fuck out yourself.I have no interest in babying you through basic interlocution.
>>97183328>Jeff beats his wife and molests his kid, so why doesn’t he go on a serial killing and raping spree?>Well, presumably because he knows he’s less likely to get caught if he limits his crimes to his household rather than random acts of violence against strangers >But he’s EVIL! And EVIL people must do as much EVIL as possible! Are you saying he’s not EVIL?
>>97183328and none of those implications were "this guy isn't evil"like, you might have a reading comprehension disability, or something
>>97183337>and none of those implications were "this guy isn't evil"Stops being. Not currently isn't.Learn to read.
>>97183341>Learn to read.
>>97183341Why do you think a prerequisite of evil is being as recklessly destructive as possible
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>>97183341Anon if this isn't a bit and you're being sincere in your arguments, then you ACTUALLY might have a learning disability. Please, seek help. It's concerning.
>>97183348We are discussing a demon of unstoppable reality-warping power motivated exclusively by infinite hunger.Next question.
>>97183051>1 single Foil>in a Gush deckAre you insane?
>>97183355Anon ... it might be a very powerful demon with infinite power but it won't stoop as low as mispronouncing other people or invading their plane without their consent first. It's a monster, not white colonialism.
>>97183355A hunger that it can satiate via farming an entire plane and periodically replenishing it with fresh experiences and victims through hunting but not colonizing other planes. Why would it stop being evil if it acted cautiously in terms of expansion? One of the whole reasons Valgavoth triumphed over other demons on the plane is that it overcame the rules of its binding through patient exploitation.
>>97183371>It's a monster, not white colonialism.Damn. I concede.>>97183375>A hunger that it can satiateWhat a fucking shit idea for a demon.
>>97183379>What a fucking shit idea for a demonWhy? Is it not interesting to see how a demon operates with complete control of a plane and the ability to poach new guys from other planes without it being an unthinking tumor?
>>97183391>Is it not interesting to see how a demon operates with complete control of a plane and the ability to poach new guys from other planes without it being an unthinking tumor?No.
>>97183392Okay enjoy your retarded rehash of the invasion arc
>>97183409>Invasion arc, but the villains do nothing and make no attempt to be threatening.such storytellingmuch tension
>New invasion arc>Bolas recruits Saheeli and her Indian horde and force integrate them onto other planes>He starts with Guilds of Ravnica. Saheeli becomes the new head of Izzet, now rebranded as Izzat.>Bolas no longer consolidates power via accumulation of artifact and magic, instead he does it through the financial system and multiuniversalisation (think globalisation but across Omenpaths)>He is invincible saved for a 5G antenna he installed on his forehead which he uses to manipulate the stock market>you know how the story ends
>>97183421>Saheeli becomes the new head of Izzet, now rebranded as Izzat.oh no.......
>>97183108>CitiesI've asked Usea numerous times to update his but he hasn't yet. Maybe soon. People went for the 7th edition foil when he released it so I think people care less about the original art which sucks. To be clear, I have them in hand and they are too red overall.>Swords>White is by far the trickiest colour. there has been several attempts at expensive white foils, academy rector, menges StP, etc. and they all look "decent" but not accurate. og white foiling is extremely bright, whereas usea's attempts are quite dull with too much of the frame texture showing through and darkening the foiling effect.Summarizes it well. I think his white and blue foils need the most improvement; foil MMQ Brainstorm is great and actually does have the white frame highlights but most other blue cards lack them.>>97183357Ask Roland. I get the impression it was more of a just for fun deck given that Burning Wish isn't exactly stock in Grow.
>>97183300Much easier to read thank you. Some ideas:>More blue creatures usually I go for about 40-50% creatures even for blue>A few ideas: thieving magpie, omenspeaker, mist raven, mulldrifter, draining whelk, torrential gearhulk>Include all the titans>You have lots of planeswalkers which is fine could be good to include pithing needle, phyrexian evoker, and vampire hexmage for extra answers>There are other cards ask yourself what archetypes you want to support in the cube and add to support them
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>>97182460Thanks for explaining it to me.
>>97178368He also has firebend if he has a counter on him.
>>97180496>>97181043that GOD they removed Viashino to get rid of this BLOAT
