How do you guys like this game? I’ve read a good chunck of the setting and there are some problems;> “Everything is fucked…except only the inner rim because the gay space communism in the rim is great”> consistent dark text on dark background > HEAVY crunchI’ve mitigated a bit by using the FATE system conversion and making the setting a bit more nuanced but outside of those the setting seems rather unique. And given it’s all basically free it’s a good deal even with the “in your face” nature of the politics. But what do you fa/tg/uys think?
I'd rather read a game by a commie than by a centrist neoliberal.
>>971781361e or 2e? I think it has great ideas but is ultimately ruined by le singularity monsters and ayys
>>97178152That’s fine, but when it’s overly obnoxious to the point of undermining the point of the game it’s detrimental. Even a game like Disco Elysium made by the most theory thumping tanky can realize the flaws inherent in a system. Compounding that with a near extinction level event and persistent problems with other factions and its a shame to not also make the obvious decentralized nature of varying groups a Boone and detriment in the setting (sure you’ll be all for one one for all when a major polity rolls in, but you’re #1 target for criminals who don’t want to mess with the big boys)
>>97178203That's actually a really interesting point. Thanks anon!
>>97178136That art vividly reminded me of pic related. And now I wish Starfinder were good.
>>97178194Transhumanity’s FATEBasically a conversion for the system to a more narrative one
>>971781361e has good ideas and decent presentation, but mechanical part is kinda fucked. Both because you can see that authors did not have much experience with RPG games and because they didn't do their research properly on the technological/biological parts of the setting. And the further away you go from simple ground pounding the worse it gets - infantry level is okayish if barely, go a little bigger and shit gets wonky, starships and anything at that scale is better relegated to background and not even talked about because its completely fucked. >>97178268I'd better have Dragonstar back. The only things I remember about Starfinder is that its initial setting fluff was so toothless it was hard to find where you wanted to set your adventures, unless you wanted to play a new power trying to take over this whole shitshow, and that its starship rules were completely and utterly irredeemable.
>>97179151Whoa, what's Dragonstar? That sounds awesome
really cool settingreally cool ideasgay devsshit convoluted mechanics
>>97179321Dargonstar is a third party D&D setting by Fantasy Flight Games. It's basically D&D in SciFi Space (as opposed to Spelljammer's Fantasy Sapce).The TL;DR is that there's a galactic empire ruled by dragons (they take turns), and the throne is currently occupied by a Red Dragon.Image unrelated.
>>97179373Damn, nice. I'll have to check it out!
>>97179321It's an old 3e/3.5 third party setting about galactic dragon empire and some of its neighbors. Basically dragons are the most powerful guys around, who a lot of the time took over the worlds in the galaxy before going to space. Spaceships level the playing field but now dragon longevity, intellect and magic are playing the main role still allowing them to stay in power. After going to space they engage in multiple interstellar conflicts that do serious damage to their hoards and finally decide that its isn't working. So they organize into an empire with position of the head honcho rotating through dragon houses with each staying in power for a thousand years. By the time of the canon timeline black dragon replaces the previous metallic ruler and is way more expansionist in his aspirations.So you have a dragon empire controlling a good chunk of the galaxy with dragon houses dividing it between themselves and while open combat between them is incredibly rare deniable raids and low level skirmishing are normal, plus politics, grudges, normal noble squabbles and so on. There are imperial legions that work on expanding the empire, not-KGB stuffed by hot drow girls and loyal to the new emperor, illithid dominion starting to friction with the farther edge of dragon empire expansion and a lot of smaller planets and interstellar nations that try to survive in that shitshow. Oh, and one of the options for PC start is explorators who go around mapping the galaxy and looking for good things dragon empire can conquer or loot.
>>97179437That is actually fucking awesome. What are the kobolds doing in this? Dragon lackeys?
>>97179151>Both because you can see that authors did not have much experience with RPG gamesThe posthuman guys were at fasa and then fanpro for like a decade before they made Eclipse Phase. Rob Boyle was the line editor for Shadowrun 4e.
>>97179461Actually half-dragon lackeys. Dragons prefer either half-dragons or other draconic creatures as their direct minions, with half-dragons and the like using kobolds as their own minions in turn. It's basically a pyramid scheme.
>>97179465Seems like they didn't learn much.
>>97179437How are the spaceships?Are they more like spelljammers with thumbing the logistics for cool factor or are they more like traveller with full classes and fleets denominating what the ships are for?
>>97180143Somewhere in the middle probably. They are between d20 Modern vehicle rules and D&D constructs. They work, but rules aren't the best. Dragonstar was aiming at space opera/star wars style, but with D&D informing all the actual setting choices. Which is why I'm sad that we won't get another edition that hammers out the kinks. On the other hand 5e grabby claws also won't get on it, so its not all bad.
>>97178136I mostly run a kuudere loner Zone-Stalker Theseus morph, doing tomb-raider stuff in quarantine zones and gates, so I ignore the whole Firewall thing and politics mostly, I prefer the Fate edition over the crunchy one. I'm doing a mission on iapetus right now, on an exurgent-infected site, along a cute deredere maniac pixie girl cartographer with a fury morph, pheromones and prehensile feet.For me, Eclipse Phase Fate is the way to go, EP is a kitchen sink thing, so I pick what I like and ignore the rest, I even sprinkle stuff from other Fate cyberpunk resources or just do my own.
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>>97181132Yeah, my group has also never bothered with the Firewall shit. We mostly ran it like extra sci-fi Shadowrun and they were all various shady or outright criminal motherfuckers.
>>97181854>Absolutely free game you can just download legally becaue it is all creative commonsHoly shit! You are one dumb motherfucker!
>>97178136I imagine the creators of this game are full on chaos cultists with dicks chopped off at this pointsetting was pretty well done for the most part - at least what was written pre-woke (they were still pretty woke but just not completely insane yet), needs a makeover by a chud to re-write things here and there to tone down the titanians, uplift jupiter-americans, etc. dash more hypocrisy and things not actually working out, especially in the communist/anarchist groups. I'd probably have the anarchists, communists, and titanians heavily controlled/manipulated by the moon jews
>>97182890>needs a makeover by a chudYeah, I totally want an rpg about how great crypto, llms, sucking Elon's cock and Capitalism are. That'd be great.
>>97182898never ceases to amaze me that libtards genuinely know nothing about the people they hate
>>97182890I got perma'd from their forums ages ago for insisting that the rep economy was a terrible idea and would never work because you'd just get ostracized from the entire economy if enough people were convinced you'd done something wrongWith the current state of social media, I am vindicated
>>97183619That's actually a story blurb in 2e. A Jovian refugee gets on an anarch- aligned station and runs into problems fitting in. By the end of it they're rep bombing him and he's deciding if it might not be better going back.
>>97183619reputation just doesn't seem like it would work as an actual currency, only in the ephemereal sense of a currencyTurning it into a quasi-physical thing tied to coins and ledgers kind of defeats the purpose. Like what, you manipulate the ledger and hack yourself 5,000 anarch-tokens (the very idea is hilarious and very jewish in itself) and now people who know you and hate you for being a chud (a good hearted and benevolent nazi) have to provide you goods and services? lol?The value of your reputation is determined on an ad-hoc individual basis that might as well swing with the moon cycle, you can't quantify it as a coin, token, or point.
>>97184768The problem is that doesn't work as a currency. It would be better if it was a representation of favors owed than some pseudo-social credit score thing. That way it at least looks like a functional economy instead of the two-faced house of cards it's designed to be.
>>97183619I believe that’s partially the intent. Like in their society you won’t starve since the basic needs are met for free, but anything fancy like hiring labor or massive purchases like ships will be based on how much rep you have with the community as a gauge of if you can be trusted with it. What’s wonky is how do you convert the mesh/non-tangiable reputation to cold hard credits of the other governments. That also means that all the “accepting” societies also have a caste system like the planetary consortium which is not as cut and dry. One day you can be the best gamer-girl the next you are begrudgingly given your basic necessities because you did something people hated
>>97185462That still sounds so stupid and backasswards. Like even the dumbest newborn can understand how exponentially harder it is to lose social status than to gain it. How hasn't this resulted in basically a plutocracy of only social celebrities with everyone else negging each other into oblivion over the pettiest shit?
>>97185639*Exponentially harder it is to gain social status, I mean. But it really is stupid. Especially if they retained it for the 2nd edition, since by now they'd have seen how much of a hellhole that basing a society on twitter and reddit would end up like.
>>97185639>>97185647Well the only real government in the autonamist alliance is the commonwealth who are based on Scandinavian democracy but maybe it is a shitshow.Like on mars things are pretty Gucci unless you become a slave, then you’re fucked. Perhaps in those anarchist habs you are constantly “playing the part” to avoid homelessness and social ostracism. It’s “easier” to punch in and do the work but you are constantly keeping your head down to avoid being the mesh social pariah. If you do fail at that your last choice is the scum who are crazy
>>97178268Man, now I want Tieflings in a space-80s-cyberpunk setting.
>>97185639>>97185647https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_JanteBasically another version of the fear and anxiety of having a rep economy. Its name dropped in the setting too
>>97185711I can only imagine how many shut-ins and shy people are outright lower than scum in the rep economy.>>97185939It still feels weird for an rpg to portray this as a good thing, or at least better than the old forms of economics.
>>97186144Well, in the old economy you can just die without the resources, and in the new transitional economy you might only have the basics as the rest is taxed AND you have to contend with rep too
>>97185462>Like in their society you won’t starve since the basic needs are met for freeAh no they would absolutely starve people to death, all it requires is being any ideology that isn't their own
>>97186187Based on everything said, I can't imagine it wouldn't be that easy. Especially if the people at the bottom of the social ladder get tons of extra "taxes" and shit that the populars don't, since nobody will give a shit what they have to say due to their social credit being so low.
>>97186209You mean just like reality? If I don't want to participate in the capitalist economy, I'll starve and be unable to pay bills. You seem to be getting worked up over the inherrent flaws in any form of currency; some people get it easy due to personality traits, some people struggle. Some people unfairly loose currency whilst those with currency find workarounds to never lose it. This already exists with capitalism. I'm not even a commie, but this is legit just how the world is, but in the Eclipse Phase version it's less obscure that the owners of the economy get preferential treatment.
>>97178268>Kobolds breaking up derelictsThat sounds fuckin awesome
>>97185711all you need to do to understand how that society works is imagine the worst of the most insane zealotry - witch burnings, reporting on neighbours, mass spying, shirking duties, general brazen incompetence. Nothing is anyone's fault, the few productive people taxed/enslaved into oblivion for the benefit of everyone who isn't productive, all authority is done through bureaucracy so nobody is culpable for any decisions, random people are ostracized/bullied as a means of social climbing, the nastiest peer group infightings humanly possible as cliques go to defcon 1 over the smallest slights and try to purge each otherIt would be an absolute shithole society to live in and would rapidly devolve into barbarism and despotism
>>97186209How are they gonna stop you? Food isn’t restricted since you can print as many cheeseburgers as you need to feed 20 people a day just visiting. Maybe you’ll have to print your own meds worst case scenario rather than going to a doctor if you’re denied free healthcare, but food is food (or just don’t be in a morph/body that doesn’t need food if you want to be a contrarian)>>97186233I mean in mars if you fall too low you become a slave (for a contracted amount of time “they promise”)>>97186255Keep in mind this is a future where you can print mostly anything, and only extreme weapons or luxury goods are restricted to varying degrees
>>97186248>You mean just like reality? If I don't want to participate in the capitalist economy, I'll starve and be unable to pay bills.The point is you aren't prevented from participating in it, unlike in a rep economy
>>97187174>Food isn’t restricted since you can print as many cheeseburgers as you needYou suddenly find out that you had no control over the dispensers, they have been rigged, your access has been denied, you have been... cancelled.Shouldn't have harbored chud-like thoughts, heretic
>>97187174>How are they gonna stop you?Imagine for a moment, that you and your friends all run a space station, and then trump shows up on board somehowyou're not gonna let him actually eat your food are you?it's YOUR food, and can you imagine what your friends would think of you if they knew you were feeding trump? Why can't he go walk out an airlock and find himself some food in space?
