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>>97179570
>Have you ever covered controversial events in your chronicle/stories?
Yes, there was a lot of child abuse in my games. It is always an easy way to make people angry.

What's the best dog breed to ghoul?

>>97179764
Golden Retriever
Everyone trusts goldens

All right lads, what's media that you think goes along with any given clan/tribe/path/creed/tradition/sect/faction/etc.?
My list is presently, as far as memory serves:
Sabbat: Brotherhood of Nod from C&C
Sabbat Malkavians: Ichi the Killer
Tzimisce: Franken Fran
Followers of Set: Yamikin Ushijima-Kun
HtR: Jennifer's Body/ Supernatural/ They Live

Certainly not very long, but I'd be happy to see what others would recommend for any given splat, or read why you think anything I just posted is fucking retarded.

Hedgefag
HEDGEFAG

>>97179870
You must call him three times.
Also, I believe the stars are not correctly aligned.

>>97179764
Something large, like a Bernard

>>97179570
How easy is vampire the masquerade to learn?

This thread is kind of early ngl. Anyway, yes
Planning on doing the financial crash of 2006 + some of Obama's policies and 2008. Yes I am autistic
>>97179848
I know this is basic bitch shit, but I'd add Aliens + Prometheus, maybe Scorn to Tzimisce.
>Mummies
Yugioh (first series, Manga), the Brendan Fraser movies
>HtR Leopold
Passion of the Christ
>BSD
Braveheart
>Garou Nation in general
Northman (maybe)

>>97179926
Pretty easy. Just go ahead and pirate it.

>>97179926
V5? Extremely easy.
V20? It's a big edition to read, but the actual gameplay system is pretty simple. It's going to take the most of amount of time more learning all the disciplines Especially Tremere shit and coming up with a storyline that doesn't make you cringe

>>97179926
>Hey GM I want to do this
>Alright roll like 5 D10s, and tell me how many of them are 6 or higher, and also how many 1s you get
>Uhhh like 3 6s and a single 1
>That's 2 successes I say you do it

>>97179976
The real difficulty for ST'ing this is figuring out how to do successes and fails without being either boring or giving out free shit I think. Also a fair problem is the DnD brain
>don't pay attention
>wait for turn
>I attack (roll d20)
style of playing

>>97179570
Cool pic. Reminds me of Hexxus from Ferngully, one of my favourite movies.

>>97179570
>Have you ever covered controversial events in your chronicle/stories?
Last chronicle I played in touched frequently on the anti-police sentiment in the wake of George Floyd's death.

>>97180112
Damn, that sounds cool. Is it lefty shit or was it more pro-police?

>>97179755
My most controversial session was when the toreador player was shopping around for a childer. He came upon a highschool girl named Constance. After using presence to lure her away, he proceeded to get her drunk and high before making her reveal her darkest secrets her father and older brother were molesting her and recording it. Then over the course of 3 nights, he force fed her blood, embraced her, and put her family on a sacrificial alter. She then drank them dry before realizing what she had done and had a total breakdown.

The toreador player was furious with me when I made her unbondable and turned her into an antagonist hellbent on getting revenge on him (and all other vampires) for committing "the ultimate rape" against her.

Maybe I am in the wrong but to me he crossed the line when he tried to bloodbond her and made her kill her family. That poor girl never had a choice in life so I made sure she would never be a thrall to anyone else in undeath.

>>97179764
German shepherd for best results.

>>97180205
Did he try to charisma her consistently into his viewpoint or was it just Presence spam? If it was Presence spam you have a point but if he actually tried to brainwash her the normal way I think it's an error on your part. Turning her into an antagonist wasn't a bad idea, but perhaps it was too fast? I don't know the specifics of the campaign

>>97180129
Definitely pro-police; mainly leaning into the fact that the city had gone completely to shit because of police defunding. And now Pentex had Full Force Solutions running around all over the place and the criminals were realizing how good they had it with the previous police force.

>>97180048
I got it from Charnel Houses of Europe: The Shoah. I really wanted to do the artwork in the beginning of all the holocaust victims on the shore of the river styx but it was split into 2 pages and Im a filthy phoneposter who was too lazy to edit it together.

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ATTENTION!!!
Before you post the inane question
>How would Anonymous react to [insert splat here]?

Consult the following
>Beast: the Fallen, a game of vengeance and espionage
>Changeling: the Requiem, a game of stolen fury
>Demon: the Awakening, a game of righteous lives
>Deviant: the Descent, a game of personal sorcery
>Geist: the Curse, a game of techgnostic madness
>Hunter: the Masquerade, a game of light and chances
>Mage: the Sin-Eaters, a game of infernal horror
>Mummy: the Lost, a game of savage souls
>Promethean: the Forsaken, a game of immortal shadows
>Vampire: the Dreaming, a game of endless horror
>Werewolf: the Resurrection, a game of passion and glory
>Wraith: the Reckoning, a game of beautiful hunger
I hope this clears things up.

>>97180288
>Pentex
This was a WtA game? Actually sounds kind of cool. You'd think it'd be super anti-police though

>>97180358
Fuck you, autist.

>>97179570
Vampire: The Dark Ages (Second Edition) states in relation to the Herd background that "your herd rating is added to your hunt rolls, as described in Chapter Nine" (129). I've read Chapter Nine in excrutiating detail now like five times and still cannot find anything about "hunt rolls." Is this a typo? Seems odd for hunt rolls to be treated in the Antagonists chapter anyways when a good chunk of Chapter Six and Eight are dedicated to giving examples of various types of rolls and what combinations of attributes & abilities fit them. I've asked chat-gpt, uploading the pdf and it hallucinates saying the rules are on pages 201-202, when these pages actually cover various damage types.
Help please. What are the mechanics here for drawing blood from my herd? If one point is 3 herd members and one human has ten blood points, can I draw nine points of blood from my herd in one night? This seems like a fuckton of free and easy blood so what am I missing?

>>97180205
>Maybe I am in the wrong
No, yeah, you pussied out.
>Felt the player crossed the line
In the World of Darkness? Lol. Lmao even.
>Empower a victim to strike down her tormentors
>Suddenly moralfag moment
> “Oh no, you made me kill the people that were molesting me”
>???
You’re the type of person they had in mind when making V5. Yeah, I said it.

>Made her unbondable
Not only did you pussy out, you’re a bitch, too.

But whatever, man. It was your game to ST and it already happened. But to deny a man the tight high schooler pussy he worked for it? You’re the real monster.

>>97180358
>>Mage: the Sin-Eaters, a game of infernal horror
I would play this.

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>>97180492
I don't have the specific edition you are asking about, but here's what DA20 says about hunting.

>>97180257
Presence spam and expecting the blood bond to just make her compliant. The chronicle was a bit of a hot mess since it was my first time running one but it lasted a few months so id say it was mostly successful until the toreador player did everything in his power to tank the game. Pointing out plot holes, anti metagaming, subtle remarks to tilt me, etc. I did write up a way for her to reconcile with him but he ultimately rejected it.

>>97180614
>expecting the blood bond to just make her compliant
As it SHOULD.

>>97180614
The thing is, presence spam + blood bond SHOULD work until he neglects feeding her some blood and then it stops working or something. You were kind of being a fag by doing it so fast. Tbh though I don't blame you because the toreador sounds like a fag too. I think you should consider dealing with problem players like that in the future by talking it out with them instead of letting it go on. I'm sure he somewhat meant well, but I can see how it can get annoying. My two cents:
>tldr you were both being fags but your guy sounds like a pain to deal with
>>97180569
>to a minimum of three
Surely they mean a maximum right? Is this retardation on my end or lack of proofreading on their end?

>>97180569
WoD/DarkAges/Core/2nd Edition is the address in the mega file if you want to find it.
Thanks though, that was exactly what I was looking for. If herd background just increases the dice pool you have for 'successfully hunting,' how does one conceptualize a failed hunt amidst their own herd? I cant imagine a vampire would tolerate refusal to feed, nevertheless amongst their herd. In my current Chronicle, this herd lives in a farmhouse above their vampire's subterranean laboratory, so how do you fail that? Guess they are just out at the tavern that night? Too sick too feed off of? Any failure I can dream of though is more circumstantial than any failing of the character.

>>97180645
>>to a minimum of three
It means the *difficulty* can't go lower than 3.

>>97180654
>how does one conceptualize a failed hunt amidst their own herd?
Dunno. In my table, you describe your herd, where they usually are, how you contact them etc. Most of the time it should be trivial to feed from them.
Of course, unless you have a large herd, it's probably the vampiric equivalent of eating the same shit every day.

>>97179570
The Mega is missing Changeling: the Lost 1st Edition.

>Mummy: the Lost, a game of savage souls
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi

>>97179760
I've been flipping through the DA Mage book & I don't see Avatars. I would honestly appreciate you sharing more

>>97180288
>Pentex had Full Force Solutions running around all over the place and the criminals were realizing how good they had it with the previous police force.
Turns out Pentex can do something good every once in a while were the using criminals and test subjects or did they do something more mundane to them?

>>97180701
Fair enough. I guess, in universe, it makes sense that even the smallest herd would be able to fill most of your blood pool. That's what they're there for. 3 blood points from three people for nine blood points is more than enough to top off any starting character, so it's just through a mechanical standpoint that it seems too easy. Like you say, logically it's trivial, so I guess the play there is to let the player drink from their herd, at will. Maybe then I just focus more on the Frenzy roll and the fact that they'll only have access to their herd at home.

>>97180719
>Ötzi was 160 cm (5 ft 3 in) tall
> was likely affected by baldness, and may have suffered from obesity-related metabolic disorders
Grim

>>97180742
nta but da mage does not feature avatars because psycochomps are still doing their job
>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Psychopomp_(MTAs)
so dark age mages don't know about avatars because it's hand chosen by a spirit to be the same as your personality

but house of tremere mentions that they used to be awakened mages and tremere's avatar having been destroyed is mentioned several times with red sign even mentioning that in the high umbra you can sometimes still hear it's death screams to this day

>>97179755
Child abuse in the general sense isn't really controversial. Everyone is going to agree that it's bad. It doesn't really go hard unless the kids've been fucked, and most would balk at going there.

>>97180704
Oh, so nothing important.

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>Vampire: the Dreaming, a game of endless horror
As an undead oneironaut, whether you are asleep or awake, every moment is a nightmare...

>>97180803
>undead oneironaut
Malk?

>>97180506
>>97180719
>>97180803
>The tard is really trying to force this
Here’s your (You)s, faggot.

>>97180205
I see nothing/little wrong with the torrey & a hell of a lot wrong with you. You invented a high-school girl that was being molested by her brother & father. That's a sign to me that you're probably sick in the head, sure the player probably started the idea of a high school girl, but youre the one who made it sexual & gross. Then, when the player decides he can rectify this by having her kill her abusers you gotta sperg out more, because he isn't deviating from his course like you wanted, so you have her become his enemy for no real explainable reason. But I'm sure you had fun with one hand under the table that session.

>>97180205
... I have to agree with the others and say that mostly sounds like you were uncomfortable and made an in universe way to "backtrack" what you allowed to happen because you couldn't communicate how you felt.

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>Geist: the Curse, a game of techgnostic madness
That's just The Ring.

>>97180803
As shit as the prompt is, did we ever got information about the Astral Realms vampires travel through with Auspex 5? I'm pretty sure it's the same realm as the Mage and Changeling one but I don't remember any of the details.

>>97180840
My guy, it's the World of Darkness, not the World of Mundane and Wholesome Shit. Finding literally anyone and learning that everything's fucked is the game itself. What are you even doing here? Unless this is bait, you're in the wrong thread.

>>97180205
You're kinda gay for doing that, not gonna lie. What was even the logic of making her unbondable?

And yeah, no shit she never had a choice in life, it's a common theme in Vampire, that the embraced were always only ending up one way.

>>97180704
no it isn't. It's just called Changeling: The Lost in the mega

>>97180814
It is like Vanilla Sky and Inception meets 30 Days of Night.

>>97180866
But the ST guy having an “issue” with manipulating a high school girl into killing her molesters, plural, is totally okay? Hypocrisy.

>>97180866
You misunderstand. The world of darkness is as fucked up as the ST makes it. Not everyone is fucked up, you need glimmers of light to create the shadows. The ST could have let her be a normal happy teen & have the Embrace be the fucked up part of her life. The ST could have gave her a physically abusive father instead of sexually abusive. Or have her be a psycho who sabotaged her high-school friends so she'd be more popular. There's a thousand ideas that doesn't cross into rage & molestation of a minor. I had an ST who acted exactly like this so I understand the psychology, though he never antagonized me directly. To put it bluntly, the little faggot decided that his player couldn't "have" a teenage girl, so first he tried to "ruin" her sexually so he wouldn't be interested, but once he doubled down, he decided to just strong arm her into being an antagonist so he could never "have" her.

>>97180905
What powers are you using? Thaumaturgy's Oneiromancy? Some Auspex power?

I have a hard time wrapping my head around mages
Can a newly awakened mage just think away an idk elder vampire before being paradox nvked in turn like a self guiding nuclear bomb? Or would said paradox nvke hit them before they finish their thought process? Or would said vamp just get damaged in some manner before dispatching the mage? Can mages be ghouled?
What's their overall population?
I understand the idea of structuring the way one casts magic in order to streamline it, but do they need to go around gathering reagents or something to fuel their spells only because of said structure, or because there is an objective need to augment or channel their innate power?
Can they just think themselves back into being a normie ala changeling banality nvke?
Can I fix her (mage)?

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>>97180767
>Turns out Pentex can do something good every once in a while
We had a very love/hate attitude towards them because there were several Pentex-owned businesses on the same street that we lived on; so if nothing else, are neighborhood was always safe.
>were the using criminals and test subjects or did they do something more mundane to them?
As far as WE were ever aware; they were just beating the shit out of them, turning them over to the actual PD, and then airing their body-cam footage on Omni TV. The closest I remember to hearing about 'experimentation' was that they were testing new Area Denial Systems on protestors.

>>97180776
That's interesting. Was House of Tremere written with MtA in mind instead of DA:MtA? The whole change from DA to modern & what not is so weird. The pychopomps just stop for a while, consensus changes overnight it seems. Yet the Black Hand has some old school mages in it using DA rules & no avatars

>>97180918
A vampire can always enter his own dreams, without any difficulty. Moreover, he can always enter the dreams of his ghouls by simply spending a point of Willpower as the vampire enters slumber - however, a ghoul whose dreams are invaded too often may discover the techniques for invading the dreams of the vampire in return.

>>97180689
Oh, I get you. Thanks friend, I was being a tard
>>97180654
>failed hunting in your own herd
Your vampiric autism somehow manages to look for hunger when your goons can't be available because they have an actual life and you'd be not only a retard, but actively causing a masquerade violation by showing up their job or social gathering and licking on their neck like an obsessive boyfriend. Bad rolls can be just as indicative of bad luck than a character failing.
>roll poorly to break into a car
>a drunk driver slams into the car out of nowhere and unfortunately you can't use it anymore
How else would you interpret it?
And if you want actual reasons for failing, make the guy roll mental checks to keep himself calm enough not to kill the herd or because of recent events in the night. ie, your dude is too distracted to feed. Also, you don't "need" to roll for every attempt. If the herd is stable enough, just let the guy feed.

>>97180957
>Moreover, he can always enter the dreams of his ghouls by simply spending a point of Willpower as the vampire enters slumber
Source? I must have missed that.

>>97180981
It is in the oneiromancy section of Vampire: the Dreaming.

>>97180981
He's making up fake mechanics for his fake game.

>>97180840
>>97180866
>>97180913
>>97180851
Not the ST obvious and I'm sorry for mass replying like a fag, but I think fundamentally the actual choice to make her a sexual abuse victim that didn't really want her agency stripped away from her into being a leech isn't a terrible concept. A bit weird surely, but if it's a once NPC where the rest are relatively mundane that's fine. The real part where he fucked up was being antagonistic towards the player, even if the player was being annoying. Likely, it would have been weird when the player started trying to fuck her or something as I expect he wanted to do but being proactive against that instead of just telling the guy he isn't chill with it is where he fucked up

>>97180858
I mean, that is the appeal.

>>97180923
>Can a newly awakened mage just think away an idk elder vampire before being paradox nvked in turn like a self guiding nuclear bomb
No. Not only do you lack the Essence to do so, you also lack the belief that you can, as well as the understanding of the universe (as interpreted by your beliefs, e.g. your Paradigm) necessary to do so, and you likely have no Rote or Ritual (i.e. "spell") to make it happen. A newly awakened Mage, even one that has been taken in (and brainwashed) by an appropriate Tradition is little more than a human that has learned some spellcasting; spellcasting that only works by following specifically memorized Rotes or Rituals using specific tools/implements/instruments/foci.
>Or would said paradox nvke hit them before they finish their thought process?
It is not a "thought process", except at the highest, ascended levels of True Magic, where one has ascended the need to use rotes and instruments and foci entirely, and essentially realized that ones paradigm was obscuring the 'true" substructure of the Tellurian. When Paradox results in Backlash, the effects of the magic employed may or may not take effect, or it may take effect and then fix itself. It is by nature unpredictable, especially if the use was Vulgar rather than Coincidental (so whether it was in line with Consensual reality or not).
>Or would said vamp just get damaged in some manner before dispatching the mage?
See above.
>Can mages be ghouled?
Absolutely. A Mage is for most intents and purposes usually first and foremost a fairly regular human.
>What's their overall population?
As the plot dictates and impossible to pin down. Theoretically far more rare than vampires, but also there are entire extradimensional realms and extraplanetary bases populated by Awakened.

>>97180923
Newly awakened mages are immune to paradox for the short duration they're awakening aren't they? They just shouldn't have the presence of mind or foresight to be capable of dealing with something the vampire can't survive usually. It's not like you become a mage and suddenly you understand 100% of what magic is or something. WoD isn't a white room type of setting so it would depend on who catches who by surprise or how. Also
>can a mage be ghouled
Yes, and I think it weakens or ruins their avatar? Giselle in Night Road is ghouled to the Tremere bitch but Mage 5 isn't something that exists yet so Kyle might just have taken liberties, and Giselle could still use magic, she was just very limited in it.
>population
I think the measure was 1 mage per 250 vampires?
Also, read Mage, and no you cannot fix her because she's delusional about reality and so are (you)

>>97180770
This is why I want to be cremated.

>>97181011
I think he means a mage midway through their awakening though right?

>>97180927
I have it open on my computer right now bro. Mega 1 at least.

>>97181000
It's not a bad concept at all but like some others said, it's the player side that sounds fucked.

>Demon: the Awakening, a game of righteous lives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrathful_deities

>>97180923
>Can I fix her (mage)?
Only if she embraces our Truth (enlightened science)

>>97180923
>>97181011
>do they need to go around gathering reagents or something to fuel their spells only because of said structure
Some absolutely do. Depends on what Paradigm/Tradition they belong to, and subsequently what their beliefs are.
>or because there is an objective need to augment or channel their innate power?
Yes. Your question paints a false dichotomy, because the answer to both is yes. It becomes objectively necessary because they believe that the universe (or rather, the Tellurian) operates based on a set of assumptions that are in line with their beliefs. And because they believe this, it does. Someone that has Awakaned has seen some aspect of how the Tellurian operates "behind the curtain", but it is colored by their beliefs (or what little they saw comes to form the basis for their beliefs). The Awakened ("True Mages") are able to form a form of "individually conscious consensus" that can override the actual "collective unconscious consensus" that most of reality operates on, but it is still fundamentally working because they believe it will, which is the same reason the neighbor's car starts in the morning; the key difference is just that the Awakened can make things work in ways that he himself thinks things work, whereas Sleepers just have to contend with the rules imposed by collective belief.
>Can they just think themselves back into being a normie ala changeling banality nvke?
No. They are forever changed by their Awakening and the manifestation of their Avatar.
>nvke xDD
Also, please stop writing like a fucking imbecile.
>Can I fix her (mage)?
No. Maybe when you Ascend and can start creating life and souls ex nihilo.

>>97180989
>>97180981
I mean... You could copy paste the oneiromancy rules from CtL if you wanted to fuck around with Torpor related fuckery.

>>97181021
Awakenings usually happen fast. IIRC an awakening Mage is immune to Paradox at that moment of realization, that peering behind the curtain, that flash of genius, so yes, at that specific point an awakening Mage can probably accidentally flash a vampire out of existence, but it is a transient thing and not a conscious/deliberate event.

So yeah, fair, if he meant at the moment of Awakening, it can work, but since Awakenings are (usually) spontaneous, I posit that it is a far cry from a "self-guiding nuclear bomb", which to me implies intent.

>>97181061
>Can I fix her?
>Yes!
Lying technocrat hands wrote this post.

>Deviant: the Descent, a game of personal sorcery
What the fuck does "personal sorcery" even mean?

>>97181137
Good point here yeah. I suppose I didn't read over it enough
>>97181055
I don't want to blame the poster, but it only got to that point because he let it. It's not fair to blame him entirely though yeah

>>97181177
My guess would be something along the lines of Monte Cook's take on mage where put spells together like Lego builds, each word/effect acting as a piece. In terms of aesthetics it's probably something along the lines of chaos where they "justify" the effect with the symbolism of an action.

>>97181011
>>97181080
So at it's most basic form, you use a Rote or a Ritual of the tradition of your choosing, fuel it with Essence, and if you do it correctly and the world doesn't hate you, spell comes out because that's how you think the world works now?
Does that mean that spells of different tradition would be harder or impossible? (as in "they're doing it wrong but it's somehow working for them")
I think my primary gripe comes from the fact that sorcerers already exist in the setting and already do these things if I'm not mistaken, then you hear about mages being like scp type greens but then mage discussion rolls around and it's just schizophrenic hobos who can kinda fling lightning feuding with steampunk bureaucrats.
>>97181021
>>97181137
I should have clarified. By newly awakened I mean someone who is starting to come to gripes with being able to cast magic. Like a few weeks? Months? I don't know how fast you guys grow. Like a fledgling who's been around the block enough to know how the night operates.

>>97181014
>and I think it weakens or ruins their avatar?
IIRC it obfuscates their access to Essence and weakens their connection to their Avatar, possibly corrupting it as long as the blood-bond persists. It's not supposed to be pleasant for the Mage and their belief in their Paradigm is muddled by the devotion to their Domitor. I want to imagine it to be like trying to perform surgery or rewire circuitry while managing a bad heroin addiction. I don't remember if the rules lay it out clearly, but I want to say that it just in general makes magic more difficult.
>Mage 5 isn't something that exists yet
Hopefully never, and even if it does gWoD as a setting shouldn't be considered relevant whe discussing oWoD.
>and no you cannot fix her because she's delusional about reality and so are (you)
Intensely awakened and truthpilled statement of fact.

>>97181015
Remember to eat some popcorn kernels before you die to scare the shit from the crematorium staff.

What powers would I need as a Mummy to make a huge hand out of environmental stuff (sand, snow, loose rocks, water, etc) to crush a dude? Or to turn I to a sandstorm, swirl of snow/leaves?

>>97181144
Where is the lie, superstitionalist? We can fix her; we have the technology

>>97181216
Mages can cast magic like sorcerers to get fucked less by Paradox, but this is less reality warping and more like fancy sorcery. The SCP type green shit is more like doing some reality warping bullshit. The differentiator of sorcerers and mages is more understanding that the world is kind of fake and more a function of the mental projections of human souls I suppose? Mage doesn't really need to be actually canon to other games like that but Mage is like understanding you're playing a game or are in a piece of media rather than being a living character in a world. But because the collective unconscious has its own opinions, trying to exert your will individually will fuck you up as reality tries to self-correct to the consensus.

>>97181218
Interesting, yeah that seems about what I understand it to be. I brought up a potential Mage 5 because Night Road is the only example I can think of for a Mage getting ghouled and the writer sort of based it more around V5 and his idea of what mages are supposed to be doing rather than oWoD Mages, assuming anon wanted an example of what that might look like.

>>97181245
In the CofD version it would be some combination of Tempest's Fury and Dust Beneath Feet with a lot of ST leeway. I'm not sure how else to paint that picture.

How cool are your PC's havens? You don't sleep in the fucking sewers, do you?

>>97180503
I wouldnt say it was a "suddenly moralfag moment" because when he was initially pressing her for information, she did say she didnt wish ill upon them, she just wanted to get away from them. Its why she was so excited for collage because she had a full scholarship and she could live in the dorms and start a new life for herself. I made it perfectly clear that she never wanted revenge. I made her out to be the type of Christian that truly thought judgement was for God and God alone. Not everyone wants revenge. A lot of people just want to move on with their life.

>>97180851
To be honest. Now that im really thinking back on it: The thing that truly upset me was the fact he kept going on and on about "the perfect childer" to the point he would drink blood of people on psychotropics to try and induce a vision on where to find her. When he finally managed to roll well enough, I gave him a vision of a woman in Louisiana and started writting up a subplot. Two weeks later he basically says "fuck it" and randomly decides to hit up the local highschool halfway through the session. This wasnt the first time he pulled shit like that and im not the only ST/DM he has done it to.

I fucking despise players who tell you they want to do or obtain something but when you show them the path to aquire it, they get pissy because I wont just hand it to them. If you want instant gratification then go jack off. Dont beg me to run a game because no one else wants to run it and "youre the most familiar with the system" and then get pissy because I actually want you to do something. Im at least willing to admit i fucked up in many areas... I wish he would have been able to do the same instead of readily pointing out everyone else's flaws but never his own.

Judge me however you guys see fit. I tried my best. Sorry for the blog post too. Apparently those wounds never fully healed.

>>97181215
>Monte Cook's take on mage
Ewww.

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>>97181296
>You don't sleep in the fucking sewers, do you?
Do I look like I want to pay rent to a Nosferatu? I sleep inside some poor bastard's guts as an intestinal parasite like a normal kindred.

>>97181216
>So at it's most basic form, you use a Rote or a Ritual of the tradition of your choosing, fuel it with Essence, and if you do it correctly and the world doesn't hate you, spell comes out because that's how you think the world works now?
Essentially, yeah. I'm probably glossing over something important as I lie here with a distended stomach and an ache at 1 AM, but that's the gist of it.
>Does that mean that spells of different tradition would be harder or impossible? (as in "they're doing it wrong but it's somehow working for them")
Yes; rotes and rituals of different Traditions/Paradigms (these are treated as different concepts, but in practice almost everyone within a given Tradition will operate vaguely along the same Paradigm, for which reason I bunch them up) will be unhelpful at best, and completely nonsensical at worst. Organizations like the Chorus and the Templars operate almost entirely on religious faith, with prayers and treating Avatars as angelic representatives of the divine universal consciousness of God, whereas someone in the Verbena may genuinely believe that everything has an intrinsic spirit that must be communed with, possibly by interpretive dance or some shit.

In a meta sense, I like to pilfer the rotes and rituals of other Traditions/Paradigms, but they need to be rewritten to "make sense" from the perspective of the own Paradigm, and ideally incorporate your own Instruments/Foci (which are helpful instruments for interacting with the magical world; as your understanding of True Magic increases, you depend less and less on these and the beliefs that were once necessary to make things happen, but how you awakened may still color how you think the world works, even as you start seeing validity in the perspectives of competing Traditions/Paradigms).
>cont.

>>97181280
>>97181245
MtR not MtC, sorry I thought everyone defaulted to oWoD unless specified different

>>97181309
It's fine, don't worry about something that's ultimately inconsequential. I have been in a similar spot where most of the table left because we couldn't communicate properly.

>>97181326
Oh in that case it's just some combination of weather manipulation and hellfire from later ties with Sorcerer because mummies didn't get anything like that iirc.

>>97181309
That's fair anon, yeah it does seem like a majority of the blame can go to your Tore's fagging, though I still think it could have been avoided with good communication. Anyway, don't feel bad venting. Shit happens

>>97181312
Begone, Tzifreak,

>>97181314
Nat, but this is probably one of the better interpretations of the setting I've seen being written here, thanks anon.

>>97178822
>The whole thing just reads like a midwit ST who couldn't figure out how to make hunters threatening antagonists in his VtM game flipping the proverbial table and giving them infinity resources and manpower and plot armor.
Isn't one of the writers obsessed with "rocks fall, everyone dies" thing but the rocks are generic government spooks? Anyway, I was hoping to see how hunter groups would transition into modern times. What I got was lore rape and everyone turning into government spooks but without the downsides that the SAD had to deal with. I mean, a modern inquisior had so much creative potential and they go with a COD goon.

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>>97181314
>cont.
It should be noted that the overwhelmingly vast majority of Awakened in the Technocracy do not even recognize what they do as magic (True Magic or otherwise), and believe themselves to be engineers at the cutting edge of science. Only the higher-order administrators know that they are deliberately shaping Consensus. A technocrat is a great example of a "Mage" that could likely never use a Rote from a different Paradigm at all, or even use most "spells" without technological Instruments/Foci.

M20 does a really shit job of explaining/showcasing this, and shoehorning the Techbocracy into the same generalized system was a mistake. It should have been its own splat entirely.
>sorcerers already exist in the setting
Sorcerers are not True Mages, though, and their magic/Numina seem to operate based on localized or vestigial Consensus. A True Mage can actively create new Rotes and Rituals based on their understanding of the Tellurian, or even learn to transcend such limitations entirely (Ascension). A very fresh Awakened may be little different from a lifetime Sorcerer, but the differences between them are profound, and they would be treated entirely differently by their peers. But to be fair, there's a degree of overlap, and the Hermetic Order is full of both, for example.
>By newly awakened I mean someone who is starting to come to gripes with being able to cast magic.
Yeah that was my initial understanding too, because that one-time Awakening, the moment of Paradox/Backlash immunity, it's at best a single scene. It's basically just the Tellurian's way to prevent Awakened from immediately killing themselves. Although to be fair, that's the point for some; Euthanatoi usually awaken as part of a literally-dying-and-still-coming-back-experience.

>>97181411
Wrong clan, nigga.

>>97180909
The "issue" was moreso the player's, as the ST said himself the girl had no choice in her life and was forced to kill her own family. Was it for the best? Objectively, yeah, but the important part is that she had no choice in the matter and was literally forced into doing it. She was trapped in her own body and couldn't stop what was happening, of course this left her terribly upset.
That aside, the ST making her unbondable is fucking beyond gay, outside of having predetermined this before decisions were made or calculating some sort of chance for it, that's just cheap and annoying. His players should hold that specifically against him.

>>97180913
You seem to be projecting your own experiences into this, which might very well be valid but just because that ST was an obsessive coomer that likens everything to sexual predation doesn't mean that this one is too. Then again, he's an ST for a game of VtM, so the odds aren't in his favor.
My thoughts are that if this wasn't a sexual thing on the ST's part, then his only wrong in this was making her unbondable just for the sake or being a cunt and ruining a side character.
If it was a sex thing on the ST's part, then he's a retard for inserting too much fetish shit. You're supposed to harness your degenerate coomer impulses to make better subplots that make people tastefully uncomfortable, not overdo it and shit up the entire session.

>>97181424
Imagine a Gangrel with Vicissitude

>>97181419
I think they felt like the Camarilla was too strong for any hunter faction to impose in any meaningful way so they just clustered the entirety hunter kind into a single faction so people would be bothered to use them. If that's not true odds are they saw a Bloodlines 1 playthrough and decided to make the SoL into the standard or something along those lines.

>>97181419
Yes, one of the writers (Mark Rein-Hagen I believe) thinks that the ideal ending to every Vampire storyline, and VtM as a whole, is for Hunters to track down, break in, and kill all the player characters after the resolution of their moral journeys. Simply to moralfag that all licks are evil and simply being a lick was a free ticket to send you to the afterlife to whoever managed to deduce it. He gets mocked on here every now and then, I think he made Rudi too? Not sure about that last part.

>>97181450
Wrong discipline, nigga.

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>>97181450
>ever managing to learn Vicissitude from a Tzimisce
>as a fucking G*ngrel at that
Your guy must be a chad or a Tzimisce's favorite toy, one of the two.

>>97181470
If you're not using skibiditude or brotean then how the fuck are you holing up inside someone

>>97181461
>(Mark Rein-Hagen I believe)
>I think he made Rudi too?

You shut your whore mouth.

>>97181314
>>97181423
Grateful for the writeup, hope you get better. I think I understand mage a bit more now. My original question was regarding capabilities and power levels which you have answered more than enough.
Thank you.

>>97181481
Thanatosis. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>97181489
I may have been retarded with not properly researching, but I know one of the V5 writers thought like that

>>97181461
>ideal ending to every Vampire storyline, and VtM as a whole, is for Hunters to track down, break in, and kill all the player characters after the resolution of their moral journeys.
Vampires are evil (God told me in a very cryptic dream) but that's nothing more than a big fuck you to the player. Amazing how Paradox always manages to find people with zero understanding of what the players want ot what the setting should be.

Paradox and Delirium should affect all supernaturals.

>>97181525
>Delirium
Weak willpower / lack of Pentex "meds" detected.

>>97181525
Miss me with that gay shit.

>>97181309
>Two weeks later he basically says "fuck it" and randomly decides to hit up the local highschool halfway through the session
A man defying fate and taking control of his own destiny should be commended. Lauded, even.

>I fucking despise players who tell you they want to do or obtain something but when you show them the path to aquire it, they get pissy because I wont just hand it to them
To be fair, two weeks irl is a long time.

>>97181516
Vampires are evil, I agree. But the degree to which they are evil and selfish monsters and whether karmic punishment is something they deserve should be up to the players. It's very cucked to force people to moralize a certain way and then still punish them like they didn't

>>97181446
The ST controls everything. The girl only has no control because thats what the ST chose to do. He has full control of the simulation.

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>>97181508
Kenneth Hite, he's such an idiot

>>97181557
>vampires are struggling with what they became and how they'll have to adapt? Lol, go die to infinity spooks
>Werewolves desperatly try to change the fate of the world? Sorry, you already lost lmao. Go wotk a 9/5 and wait for the end.
>Hunters are people with a drive to fight the monsters? can't do that, you're a little bitch kek. Big Hunter bad btw also, no shizo superpowers.
5th edition is truly amazing

>>97181602
They aimed for maximum misery.

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>>97179570
>TQ:
I called somebody a faggot in one of our most recent sessions, does that count

>>97181216
>>97181309
>>97181423
It should also be noted that Sorcerers do not have to deal with Consensus, Paradigms, or Paradoxes at all. They just learn thing, do thing, thing happens. Monkey see, monkey do.

This is true for most Numina, which is the word for all various kinds of "mundane" "magic".

While many Sleeper Sorcerers may insist that they are privvy to cosmic secrets and esoteric knowledge, it is a far cry from the Euthanatoi that died and saw the Great Wheel milling souls at the heart of creation, or the Chorister that fell through the vibrating substructure of the universe, saw the face of God, and heard the song of the Angels as they sang the quantum strings into the tapestry.

A sorcerer will never have seen the eyes of every soul in every object and every concept turn towards you, all at once, and felt their beating hearts through the Gauntlet in the way a Dreamspeaker saw it, and heard the mouthless whispers of every thing, every one. It will never have seen the truths of the Order of Hermes as the elemental constituents of matter - earth, wind, water, and fire - leeches out of the walls and then subdivides towards the aether and the void, respectively; so above, so also below, shackled by the divine geometry of the demiurge.

Sorcerers that are aware of True Magic seeethe over this.

>>97181473
How I feel right now.

>>97181461
That ain't Mark, the OG. Justin Achilli is the one who thinks that.

>>97180205
Okay, but... What was her art? If toreador player wanted to Embrace her, she probably had to be good in some kind of art.

Can I (120M Tzimisce) have a mage gf (29F Hermetic, unghouled for deniability) to plot the destruction of a local Tremere chantry (5 licks and a tired Gargoyle) without making it evident that I was involved or is that considered problematic?

>Promethean: the Forsaken, a game of immortal shadows
That's almost evocative enough to make me give a shit about Promethean.

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>>97181625
Forgot image and then I couldn't find the image I wanted. Have this instead.

>>97181646
Toreadors only Embrace 3 kinds of people
>True Artists
>“Artists”
>Sluts they want to fuck

>>97181646
Art (Pussy).
It was so good not even her family could resist it.
It was so good the mother left because she couldn't compete.
It was so good it could make gay men (Toreador) straight, and dead men (Toreador) hard.

>>97181662
As an upstanding Tzimisce of your community, you should make it evident to all that you were involved, but only after engineering things in such a way that you have full plausible deniability and no strings attached.

>Changeling: the Requiem, a game of stolen fury
Is this about the dwindling of glamour from the world?

>>97181309
>I made her out to be the type of Christian that truly thought judgement was for God and God alone. Not everyone wants revenge
And yet you made her reaction be seeking revenge against her Sire. Curious.

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>>97179570
>Have you ever covered controversial events in your chronicle/stories?
Finally a thread I can contribute in! We had this one VtM session with some dude we had just met and 2 girls back in the 2004. They were the goth type and this greasy new guy decides to roll Presence to seduce one of the girl's characters. Lucky bastard rolled success after success and had them roleplay an entire sex session with her character as the girl grew quieter and quieter, full on red like a tomato. Needless to say she didn't bother to come back to finish the chronicle and it was awkward for everyone so we had to tell the guy to tone it down.

>>97181967
>ST does nothing as the group starts decaying
That's not really controversial

>>97181980
It was to our chronicle, we were used to simple stuff not that some retard would consider ERPing

>>97181617
Monster

>>97181967
wtf

>>97181967
The dice gods were horny lmao

>>97181617
My group does that every session. Also a few niggers. And we have a dude that LARPs as a Jew, so that gets some laughs too.

>>97181989
This is always my fear in WoD, and it used to be in DnD because of our group of horny teenagers
>Chilling with sessions, all good
>few rape jokes in good nature, nothing serial
>Randomly full blown sex scene from people that clearly don't fuck
>Random targeted rape
At least for WoD it's so weird that those types of people give off signs ahead of time

>>97182059
>>Randomly full blown sex scene from people that clearly don't fuck
kek

Is there a demand for WoD miniatures?

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What is the best Vampire the Masquerade edition?
Also if I wanted to play an SCP Foundation style chronicle, what splat would be most fitting?

>>97182285
>What is the best Vampire the Masquerade edition?
2nd, Revised, 20th Anniversary.
>Also if I wanted to play an SCP Foundation style chronicle, what splat would be most fitting?
Hunters Hunted, Hunter the Vigil, Mage the Ascension or Awakening.

>>97182285
>Splat
Depends on who you're playing as.
Hunting them? Vigil or Hunters Hunted.
Playing SCP? Technocracy.

>>97182285
V20

HtV+Reliquary

>>97182281
>niche product (minis)
>for niche IP (WoD)
Anon I...
There might be some but between Jewdox's monetization licenses, the lack of strong design for pre-made minis, and the cost of printing, I don't think you'd find a good enough market to excuse it. Even DnD mini's don't sell the best iirc
Now if this were a wargame on the other hand? Maybe

>>97182281
>Minis
>For games built with distance and positioning abstractions and no real strict AoE effects on powers so they don't need to be anything but Theater of the Mind
D20 games use minis because they're rooted in tabletop wargames and the combat logic is built around strict distance measures and clear effect area templates.

That said, you could totally just go on Heroforge and make one.

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>>97180719
Isn't this the plot of Encino Man?

>>97181508
There definitely is a V5 writer like that. But Mark Rein-Hagen was the guy who created Vampire in the first place, so it's blasphemy to call him the Rudi guy.

>>97181419
I have nothing to add, I agree emphatically with everything you're saying.

>>97181460
You're probably giving them too much credit here. Also, at the end of the day, no amount of plot armor or wank is gonna make people use hunters unless they actually want to use them. It's solving a problem that didn't exist. If an ST can't make Hunters engaging antagonists for their PCs without having to drown them in dozens of faceless goons, they shouldn't be using Hunters as antagonists in the first place.

I just finished running my first VTM20 game. I think the players had fun and we're all D&Dlets so it was pretty cool seeing everyone actually want to engage with the lore and premise of World of Darkness. A few things I'm still having trouble with are how to engage with the humanity mechanics especially when you have various characters between 4-7 humanity. It was tough to keep track of which sins were still sins for someone, when a thing they did would qualify for a check etc. Another is the timescale of an adventure, again I'm surprised our group managed to easily go with the more long-term style of play and everyone was thinking in days and weeks where normally in a D&D game we'd easily spend the whole session roleplaying the investigation in one town because everyone needs to be together, in vampire we covered a few weeks with the players doing multiple tasks via ghouls and other allies before the actual execution of the plan. So far it seems like a solid system and I believe I just need to learn more about the things I mentioned above in order to run it smoother.

>>97182972
Scrap of paper with the sins written on it & initials or markers where the players are.

>>97182844
>>97181508
>>97181461
Like >>97181590 said, it's Kenneth Hite. He's the mind behind Night's Black Agents, an entire RPG about urban vampire-hunting, and was hired with the pitch that "he's already written V5 from the hunter's perspective with Night's Black Agents, he just needs to write it from the vampire's perspective instead." So they were probably planning on hunters being a bigger threat from the very start.

Nevertheless, he was given a lot of freedom and a small list of vampires he wasn't allowed to kill, with all other vampires being fair game. He was the developer, writer and editor for the Second Inquisition book, with more control over that book than any other, the book that transformed the Second Inquisition from being a looming threat that squashed over-confident vampires to being a near-omniscient world-wide anti-vampire police state bristling with cyberpunk gear, anti-vampire magitech and effectively unlimited resources.

HFY: Hunters, Fuck Yeah!

>>97182972
Lower humanity characters should spook the normies overall. As per
>sins
Humanity loss should be a matter of rationalizing and coping rather than the physical act that takes your humanity.
>Kill someone just cause (no justification)
Clear humanity loss
>Kill someone because it would lead to more deaths (trolley problem)
This is where you probe them and their mental state, and then if clearly they're being a psychopath either you make them roll or you take a humanity. Of course, if the trolley problem is too easy then it doesn't work. So you'll have to be a bit smart with the ramifications of their sins. If you wanted to be based, humanity loss shouldn't happen until after the Kindred has processed the consequences of his actions by being shown them or something

>>97183086
Seems very gay, SI isn't terrible in theory but making them full on SCP-tier spooks with access to every phone in the world is cringe

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>>97183007
Sounds really easy and I'll do that for next time.
>>97183125
>until after the Kindred has processed the consequences of his actions by being shown them or something
Kinda related but I was having a discussion with my other friend who was trying to push me to run V5 for my group instead. His argument was that the hunger mechanic means less tracking and less disjointed morality systems because your psychopathy is baked into the risk of doing stuff rather than potentially getting lawyered or even missed, or worse weaponized in the table.

Anyway, you're suggesting that the morality check shouldn't be at the time of when it was committed but after seeing the consequences, and while that does seem appropriate for the tone, I'm wondering if at any point it would feel limiting or punishing for the players? If a system has a theme of trying to walk the line between the beast and the human, wouldn't it be kinda bad to be like "remember that city hall employee whose ID you stole? Yeah he got fired and your pimp ghoul tells you in passing that his wife is now turning tricks on the corner street" because if we're talking about consequences it's basically all in my control so there's an element of the ST trying to twist the knife and make you feel guilty for acting like a monster in the monster game.

>>97183171
>limiting or punishment
it depends on the character's (key word) ability to rationalize and how well they manage. You could do a lot of crimes before losing humanity. Also they can just run a different path of humanity is too constrictive. It is up to you to make sure they don't get cucked too hard out of nowhere, but maybe you can give the guy a chance to redeem his humanity with his reaction to the firing. Maybe he can help him get a job, give him some money to move along, get him his job back, or set up something that lets the guy sue for wrongful firing? Anyway, you have a good point that it's up to you. It seems a bit sadistic to blow a minor criminal act that isn't inherently a moral problem into a humanity loss because some dude's life literally got ruined off of it. It does take a bit of a refined hand that you'll learn as you play though, likely. I would say V5 is better for the moral system or hunger, but it's what you want to play as you're the guy running it. Good luck though, I think ultimately the choice of whether or not to lose humanity should be on the player's willingness to act

>>97183216
As an extra statement on what I mean by rationalizing, if he chose to steal the idea because it was urgent and they were out of options, no humanity loss. If he stole it because it was easy pickings and he didn't care about the consequences, maybe a humanity loss. If he purposefully got the guy fired to whore out the wife, definite humanity loss. As an example

>>97183228
Steal the ID* sorry about that