Emptiness Edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-november-10-2025>NewsThe 2025 Magic Con and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>97183472 >TQWhat do you want?
>>97192124>TQ>“Double all damage that sources you control of the chosen type would deal.”I want to break free.
WAT-SI should replace ALL UB sets, past and present, with new bloomburrow and other furry sets.
Is it called Lorwyn: Eclipsed, because random characters from nu-sets are going to eclips the actual plane of Lorwyn?
I want to have fun again. But I'll have to wait for Trek...
>>97192124>TQA swift, merciful end to this game, but I know I can't get what I want
Dead thread Dead game
>>97192664EDH isn't dead
>>97192124This is pretty unlikely but I want card design to focus on cards that do one specific thing well instead of all in one cards that do 3+ synergistic things all at the same time.Johnny cards were the most interesting part of magic and they're basically extinct in favor of big dumb bomb commander cards that do the combo for you.
>>97192124Monks.
>>97192664That's because the previous thread didn't link to the new one.
>>97192124>>TQ>What do you want?Go back in time to 2018 and prevent Eldraine from being released.
>>97192124>TQPowerful, white, cards.
>>97192124>TQI'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price.
>>97192124>TQUgin having sex with Bolas on a card.
>>97192124>>What do you want?>-1/-1 counter supportgot it (this is a freebie)>support for underused tribes, probably changelingscowards, which is surprising>slight colour pie breaks: pay-life-do X thing in white, power-based burn in greenstill waiting on this
Apparently this is how they got the data on kitchen table magic being the most played format
>>97192124>What do you want?stop the powercreepand less focus in commander for god's sake
TQI want Commander to be permanently decoupled from MTG and become truly its own product.
>>97192914Life payment is a bend in white but burn is a break in green.
>>97192915>we call up random people and ask them about card games until we find magic playersThis has got to be a fake post
>>97192973I pretty sure they also ask other Hasbro related questions to maximize data efficiency.
>>97192962yeah, should have said black
>>97192915>the invisiblesMOTHERFUCKER IS COUNTING SCALPERS AS KITCHEN TABLEi wonder if the shareholders at that up
>>97192982I'm pretty sure if someone called me about surveys i would also just say random shitdoes being homosexual lower your IQ or what the fuck is wrong with that company?
>>97193001Calling random people to ask them survey questions is just a thing companies do. A surprising amount of people are willing to just answer whatever a stranger on the phone asks them; how do you think phone and email scams keep trucking along?
What colors would an Urza planeswalker card be if they made one for real?
>>97192124>What do you want?I want to be good enough for Thalia to marry me. But I never will.I wasn't even good enough for the shortstack girl I was dating for 3 months. She dropped me for being unemployed, right after meeting my family, which she asked for. I guess in some ways I didn't even like her very much but I was still attached to her and it sucked. It sucks that I am so "chopped" as zoomers say that I hardly have any luck. I have to be smooth and clever just to get a date with a 36 year old woman. It sucks because it reminds me over and over that I would NEVER be good enough for Thalia. She is so perfect and beautiful. I think about her wavy buttermilk hair all the time. I imagine running my fingers through it while we make love on our wedding night. Her skin is so pale and soft. And the freckles dancing across her cheeks, right below her sapphire eyes, I could stare at for hours. I even made a video for how much I love Thalia and it doesn't matter. It still huts. It still fucking sucks. I know I am a pathetic loser and I am really close to just giving up. I know no one cares but it just really sucks to be effectively "alpha widowed" the way women are by Thalia, and I never even dated her, I just fell in love with her so hard I got to the point I couldn't let go of longing for her. >>>/wsg/6052931
>>97193021Yeah insane that people answer their phones by saying their full legal names and reciting the their credit card numbers.
>>97193036Esper. Control freak egotist with an artifact focus that's so consistently callous that he could be actively trying to be cruel to people and hurt them less. Hard Man Making Hard Decisions While Hard.
>>97193036His colors in order are1.Blue2.White3.Black4.Red5.Green
>>97192124>>TQFUCK UB FUCK UB FUCK UB FUCK UB
>>97192915>combite it with sales,digital play and sanctioned playare they counting non player hoarders as kitchen table?
>>97192915So... non-players? They're counting NON-PLAYERS a players???
>>97193116Just because someone isn't going to an LGS to play a sanctioned format doesn't mean they're not playing.
>>97192915So all this time the kitchen table player count was complete bs lol
>>97192124>TQMore sexy Chinese elf flapper bitches
>>97193125But how often do those people buy cards? I might be wrong but you'd think the most enfranchised players buy the most.
>>97192124>TQ>What do you want?I want all of magic from war of the spark and upwards to be retconneed.
>>97193125Maro stop coping, you are counting "investors"
>>97192124I want the UB shit to die…Is that possible?By the way say something nice about Mr. Rosewater aka Gaslighterman
>>97193240Hitler was right
>>97193275He was a vegan, so that makes him wrong automatically.
>>97193240I've only met one guy in my life who played "cards I own" style unformatted mtg. I can't imagine that it's that popular.
I found out my boss is an actual mtg hoarder. He buys magic product in bulk just to resell it at a profit. He doesn't know anything about the game. What must I do?
>>97193116buying a couple of packs and ramming them together a couple of times is hardly a "player". Anyone with any investment in the game is playing some kind of format.
>>97193324see if you can sell your bussy for some cardussy, I can tell he's gay just from your post, he will bite.
>>97193318see>>97192915nigger is counting scalpers and collectors as players
PremodernReal MagicNow officially on MTGO
>>97193240>There is not much digital commander playWhat the fuck is this argument? Does MTGO or Arena even allow commander really? Also these new captchas are giving me ultra aids.
>>97193367>Does MTGO or Arena even allow commander really?MTGO has commanderarena only has brawl which is 1v1
>>97193240how can this person, as the visible face of a brand, have the balls to, in his private realm of a forum that everyone can see, go and vomit this bunch of nonsense to the whole community he is in charge of? corpos pay to him for this kind of ridiculous behavior or is he oblivious to the negative impact of his statements?
>>97193367MTGO has commander but its shitty UI from windows excell 95 has only moderm boomers playing it reallyArena has fucked up coding that barely can connect 2 players so they cope with brawl
>>97193240>source: trust me bro
>>97193240>The majority of Magic play isn’t in a format, what i like to i formally call Cards I Own???????????????????
>>97192915Putting aside the extremely high probability that this is a gross exaggeration or outright lie, a randomized biennial phone survey in the 2020s would get you such insanely spotty data that it would be completely useless. If you really were calling anywhere near enough people to get good data, this practice would be well known already.>>97193240Then why is so much shit blatantly skewed towards commander you piece of shit?
>>97193436If you think I ever took apart my OG Mirrodin deck you are out of your mind. Also new captcha is crazy, I guess they are banking on the idea that Indians can’t solve a logic puzzle
>>97193436For some ungodly reason he made up a new term for kitchen table. Wait a second, is Mark using AI to make his bullshit blog posts now?
>>97193462Commander players probably statistically spend the most.
>>97193476He'd probably just call it kitchen table normally but he likes to call things weird names sometimes.
>>97193476>is Mark using AI to make his bullshit blog postsWhen was the last time Mark appeared publicly? Maybe Hasbro is doing with him what they do with the game: parading the corpse around.
>>97192124>TQRemove the reserved list
>>97193642What if he has been assassinated by Hasbro for trying to save Magic from the slop it has become?
>>97193642He had a meet and greet two months ago at new york
>>97192124>>TQ>What do you want?For magic to be great again. WTF they ruined Lorwyn and Lorwyn was a easy plane to get right...
>>97192124TQ:for anyone who has ever played and enjoyed commander to disappear off the face of the earth
I know that crossover events in Magic are a bit contentious on 4chan, but if you could had to pick any crossover of your choice, what would it be?
>>97193809zootopia UB
>>97193809Naruto. The chakra natures and various jutsus would fit pretty well into MTG. Naruto is basically wizard battles pretending to be ninja battles anyway.
>>97193809One PieceGame of ThronesSeries of Unfortunate Events
>>97193240>The majority of magic isn't in a format, what I like to I formally call Cards I OwnIs this nigger serious? There's no way he actually believes this, right?
>>97193841It's pretty obviously true. The majority of Magic players are just guys who have a handful of cobbled together decks and don't care about formats or banlists.Now, that doesn't mean the majority of sales, obviously. These guys probably haven't bought any cards for a decade. But they do count as Magic players.
>>97193809Rance X
>>97193841He's not wrong. Most people in any hobby are going to be casuals, outside of really niche ones.
>>97193831>>97193832damn I was gonna reply >naruto for ninja support >one piece for pirate support you guys best me to it >>97193809I guess bleach for more spirit support
>>97193809I want a crossover where the magic side of things impacts the other IP instead of just another batch of cards. Put Jace in Fortnite already.
>>97193893remember the ihop promotion
>>97193849>These guys probably haven't bought any cards for a decadenosewater said compared sales to active lgs players, stop defending the lies
Universe within will be regulated to digital.
>>97193849>>97193863>>97193902This genuinely the most idiotic thing I've heard. Show me where these "majority of magic" magic players who are so clueless and in the dark that they have never even googled the game once to figure out how everybody actually plays it? This is the most bold-faced lie I've ever heard.
>>97193906Universes within will be shot in the head.
>>97192491Wotc should commission official art of fox jace fucking otter ral
>>97192124>TQfor the stores around me to run something other than commander again i will even take playing mh3 block constructed over it at this point
>>97192491>>97194072Its Wazi
>>97193957>they have never even googled the game once to figure out how everybody actually plays it?Anon, do you think people look up how to watch a movie or how to play tennis? Most people just do things how they want to.
>>97194072This>>97194109No, it's What-See?
>>97194160>Anon, do you think people look up how to watch a movie or how to play tennis?I was actually thinking a more comparable example here is that this is like you're trying to tell me that the majority of D&D players actually just play "kitchen table D&D" and have never actually heard of a rulebook or anything like that. It's a stupid and ridiculous assertion. Magic the Gathering videos get millions of views on youtube and it's not 1990 anymore, if you're getting into something new you're going to fucking google this. The fact MaRo genuinely believes this worsens my evaluation of his competency.
>>97194179>the majority of D&D players actually just play "kitchen table D&D" and have never actually heard of a rulebook or anything like thatAnon, I...
I don't think the new Strixhaven set is going to remove the American influences.
>>97194255>mix up center>trow a few niggers, some fat dude and call it a day
>>97194160>how to play tennis?nigger what is happening at your tennis court?
>>97192124>TQREPRINT THE ENTIRE RESERVE LISTTOTALINVESTORDEATH
UG MADNESS LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
>>97193809First and foremost I HATE UB slopBut I’m just morbidly curious about what they can do with sagas like Pic related, Resident Evil, The Expanse or actual Jurassic Park set, you know sagas that are not really Fantasy adjacent like Stark Trek. I find hilarious trying to justify those for example.
>>97194255>OMG I hate America/American cultureThen GIVE ME BACK ARABIAN NIGHTS YOU FUCKING LEFTIST TRANNY
>>97193809Destroy All Humans: They Can't Be Regenerated Secret Lair with either Planeswalkers or Spellshapers based on the different players in the manga and effects based on the cards they played.>>97193853Happens in reverse
>>97193240>I want the UB shit to die…>Is that possible?At this point, no.
>>97193906I mean, it's very likely that this will get a paper version down the line as part of whatever they're doing to reprint mechanically unique Secret Lairs that didn't also get distributed to WPN stores (which basically just means Tomb Raider, Doctor Who, Marvel and Jaws (and Marvel they've all-but-said will be reprinted in some form in Marvel sets)) because every other mechanically unique Secret Lair card has been reprinted or been put out to WPN stores.
>>97194179I mean he believes this because the company has done market research. He's simplfying his explanation because it's not his field, that's just what he's been told about it. Market research is generally not the MOST accurate and is obviously biased in several small ways, but to say it's a completely useless statistic because you personally don't know these people who play Magic but don't know much about it beyond the cards they have is kind of stupid.Those are also the less-enfranchised ones and not usually the ones that spend the most, so they're prioritised in-so-much as broader advertising and marketing can reach them and POTENTIALLY turn them into enfranchised players, but not focused on.
>>97194354>but to say it's a completely useless statistic because you personally don't know these people who play Magic but don't know much about it beyond the cards they have is kind of stupid.I want you to describe to me how it is even POSSIBLE to buy enough magic product to even build a deck without coming into contact with knowledge about how the game actually works. How do they get enough lands? You get 1 land a booster. How many boosters are they buying without ever even googling "magic" a single time? Did they buy a precon or a starter collection box? Those come with information about the game. It is genuinely impossible for me to take this assertion seriously, especially in the modern world, where literally everybody is online and consuming content.
>>97194391Not everyone is an autistic loser. Most people just play games with friends
>>97194391I did it for about ten years between Mirrodin and RTR. You just buy cards and play with them.
>>97194391No, man, it's incredibly easy to underestimate how offline a LOT of people are when you spend so much time online. Some people will just, like, check Facebook or Twitter once or twice a day and that's it for going online. As for how they get enough cards? I don't fucking know. They accumulate, I'm sure some of these people have been to an LGS, maybe taken a starter deck and taken it apart, there's ways. It is VERY easy to just not realise how many people engage in a thing to a far less intense degree than you.
>>97194408>Most people just play games with friendsHow are they getting the cards to play with friends? Are they buying 7 boosters and just slamming whatever cards they got together and thinking it's good enough? You're an idiot for believing this.
>>97194391You buy a starter deck, you have a friend who dumps some old cards off on you, you go to a LGS to get a box of chaff but your schedule doesn't align with their events, etc. You can't be this autistic, anon, just because there's rules stated for a game doesn't mean people read through or follow all of them.
>>97194413Mirrodin came out in 2003 and you were probably 12. This is 2025, kids have ipads and every millenial like you knows how to use the internet. It is actually impossible to "just play magic" without coming into more knowledge about it. The generation and time period literally does not exist anymore.
>>97194426Hell, just gonna vaguely gesture at Monopoly. Almost nobody actually reads the fucking rules to Monopoly, they just sort of vaguely know how it's played (and they're usually wrong).
>>97194426>just because there's rules stated for a game doesn't mean people read through or follow all of them.I am not anything close to anti-social and nobody I have ever met in my life would just randomly pick up and play a card game or board game without learning how it works, because that's fucking retarded.
>>97194449Consider anon's example of Monopoly. Have you read through the rule book? Do you follow every single rule there or do you house rule some shit? How about UNO? There's a bunch of actual rules that people don't follow, because they just learned how to play from their friends. There's an actual international organization for arm wrestling, created in 1977. Have you ever consulted the rules? Do you even play on regulation tables, you filthy casual?
>>97194492>Consider anon's example of Monopoly. Have you read through the rule book?Yes, I would read the instructional pamphlet contained within the box for the game that contains information on how to play the game that I just purchased.
>>97194255Gee, who would have thought that a bunch of North American amateur writers making expys out of themselves and other people they know into what they remember about their school experiences would come across as too modern / too American? WHO COULD HAVE POSSIBLY GUESSED THIS OUTCOME?
>>97194449I started with 7thEd. The rules insert in the theme deck I got had no explanation about sanctioned formats. Me and my friends played "cards I own" for years until we stepped into a game store. I get that information is easier to get nowadays with the Internet, but people never really bothering to step into that LGS or find out what the fuck they're doing is not that far fetched.
>>97193809I'd like to see a metal gear crossover. Let's see how fucking stupid this shit can get.Being real though a bloodborn/dark souls crossover would be kino as all fuck.
>>97194391My wife and I exclusively draft or play 60 card kitchen table decks built from cards we own. Aside from the basic rules of 60 cards, 15 card sideboard, 20 life, etc, the card pool is whatever the fuck we come up with that day.I would wager a bet that a lot of magic players start out making shitty decks from packs at home, and eventually shift to just playing from a homegrown cardpool against each other.
>>97194421>Are they buying 7 boosters and just slamming whatever cards they got together and thinking it's good enough?8 packs and Winston draft baby
>>97194607>let’s see how stupid Anon, we’re already at Avatar, TMNT and Star Trek in YEAR ONE. It’s already (Jewniverse) beyond silly at this point. I seriously feel sick thinking about 2027 UB with a 3-year Standard. Literally makes me want to vomit.
>>97194607Funnily enough, if they did do a MG crossover, they could also probably use the MH monster created in Peace Walker since they are already crossing over with it.
>>97193809The Diablo franchise would look interesting with Tyrael, Imperious, Diablo and Baal and Mephisto
>>97194630>>97194631Yeah what am I even saying metal gear rising: revengeance would feel way too close to theme when played against such mtg classics such as appa the sky bison or the 4th doctor.
You now realize we live in the timeline where the CCG thread posters all got jobs for JOTC and Hasbro said “let’s make shit tons of shekels by selling Fortnite autism”
>>97194607Souls/Borne can't work because unless you use an earlier timeline too many things would be in Black territory. Now, a Resident Evil UB would be perfect
>>97194630I genuinely don't think they have a plan. I think hasbro is panicking and forced wotc to shove all their UB into standard because they don't understand the format and think it's going to sell well. I really don't think it will because unlike commander, most 60 card constructed players tend to give something of a glimpse of a fuck about the actual original setting of MtG. Commander will have this game on fucking life support when standard inplodes next year. Then it's only a matter of time before commanders aging millenial playerbase finally dies of a weed induced brain aneurysm or retires to just eat the pretzels and beer, and no one is left.Then the game enters a truly fascinating realm. Thebrealm where all dead games go, from which can come some good and much suffering.
>>97194507You are not normal. Most people skim the rules or have a rube like yourself tell them how to play.
>>97194665Fuck it, do a monoblack soulsborne secret lair. We all know black is the only real mtg color anyway.
Been forcing shrines, best one I've had so far.
>>97194681>60 UB cardsI vomit
>>97194647Let's be honest; Rising is just UB-ified Neon Kamigawa
>>97193809Duel Masters. They already have a few cards that are in DM and I wanna see Bolshack dragon.
>>97194284Went 1-4 only beating uw tronNot sure if this is a real premodern deck, have to mulligan down most games which sucks for a deck that already has an interesting relationship with CA.
>>97194689yeah i dont care about any of that.
Can ANYONE explain why Gran-Gran, one of the most overloaded fucking stacked out the goddamn building 1 drops of all time, HAD to also have 2 toughness?
>>97194744>yeah i dont care about any of that.
>>97194764then leave you cuck, why the fuck are you posting if you hate it mtg much.
>>97194773Sorry what was that?I can't hear you over all that WotC cum in your mouth.
>>97194773>if you hate it mtg much.Anon, UB isn't MTG.
>>97194778find something else to do if you dont like mtg now lil' guy. lots of other hobbies to take up other than following a thread for a game you dont like.
>>97194790>if you dont like mtg nowanon....UB isn't MTG.
>>97194758creatures dying is a feelbad, chud
>>97194792yet you have a MTGA account and play.
It's been performing honestly very well.Virtue feels like a better "win more" wincon than Firebender's. The instant speed and vigilance contribute more than Firebending ever did.It's a fun archetype to fuck around with. Surely, Mark Rosewater won't print any more cheap attack trigger doublers any time soon. He is a man with restraint, after all.
>>97193809I want more mtg hotpockets
how much longer until 'can of cheese whiz' is a format-warping staple
>>97194897Yom Kippur is more likely, in the Jew York Shitty Set coming soon
>>97192124>TQ10 more variants of Encroaching Dragonstorm for Bello.
>>97194897Bagel isn’t an OP card. Just a weird one.
>>97194758Because it's legendary.
>>97194758You should be asking: Why not?
Where's my 1/2 flyer with upside for U printed at common?
>>97195314That's literally Delver of Secrets
>>97195327No that's a 1/1 that'll never flip because I'm playing 26 creatures in my faeriesninjas pile and if he does I have to flip it again after NinjutsuI just need something that doesn't die to Lavadart
Magic should be entirely directed by a counsel of late 30s to early 40s men who haven't went to a sanctioned event since they were in college and only play thrown together homebrew shit with their coworkers and kids and I'm NOT kidding.It'd lead to a lot less shit like pic related becoming a reality.
i have been playing mtg since the first ice age. im used to 60 card casual, usually a mix between vintage and legacy. i have never played commander and honesty coming from an old school player i fucking hate it. but now its time, no one plays casual anymore, and eveyone looks at me weird when i show them my decks (most of the cards i use are banned in commander and are really powerful) i need to learn how to play commander and im finally breaking apart my decks to make one. is there a good guide i can use to figure out the rules and how to play?
>>97193809literally monkey paw wish. i already got my crossovers and they all were awful. lord of the rings? black gandalf. dungeons and dragons? gay girl boss shit everywhere. final fantasy? i actually like it i want more anime style mtg cards.
>>97195378100 card singleton except basics, you need to have 1* legendary creature as your commander. all the mana pips anywhere on that card are your color identity. you can only have cards fitting the color identity (mana pips anywhere on the card; hybrid mana counts as either, not both, as of recently)*or more if your commander has mechanics such as background or partneryour commander starts face up in the command zone and you can cast it directly from there. when your commander is removed from the battlefield you may elect to return it to the command zone. this increases the the casting cost by two generic, when cast from the command zone, each time you do40 lifea commander dealing damage to a player deals 'commander damage' on top of regular damage. it's like poison counters but unique to each commander and at 21 you die.thats it pretty much, as for how to play the hardest and most annoying "rule" is figuring out the power level of your pod because you have both hypercompetitive grognards trying for turn 2 infinite combos with an enabling commander on one end, aswell as supercasuals that just play their favorite tribe because it reminds them of some cartoon they watched as kid on the other end.my advice is to play Pauper or failing that Pauper commander
>>97195399thank you anon, i expected a much rougher answer. so commander has power levels? like the cards have some kind of point value and depending on whats cards you have you enter different tiers kinda like weight classes.i want to make a commander deck that uses blood artist and tries to win by sacrificing things. any advice on a commander deck like that?
>>97195413>like the cards have some kind of point value and depending on whats cards you have you enter different tiers kinda like weight classesit's more or less vibes based. image attached and the idea of a "game changer" card is pretty new, few months old i think but it's far from perfect and commander players will complain anyway or say "well my deck isnt that strong despite technically matching this bracket definition" or whatever>any advice on a commander deck like that?idk probably braids and just being a pox deck, or some golgari goomba. i dont play commander.use scryfall to search for legends in your color or edhrec
>>97195427that is the most retarded bracket i have ever seen. its like it purposefully attacking blue. why not just make a commander bracket that takes blue out altogether.
