Ever had to say fuck it this is above our paygrade, and just bail from a dungeon?I get that GM probably put some amount of effort into preparing it and skipping the place would put that to waste, but when the very first encounter makes it painfully obvious pushing on would be suicidal, nobody can really blame the party for doing literally anything else, right?
>>97207726Threads that are thinly veiled excises to post porn artists belong in /trash/, or /v/.
>>97207735>he knows it's pornSelf admittance here bub.
>>97207735got your jannie application rejected son?
>>97207735jannylarp. go back to plebbit, /tg/ aint for you
>>97207726It happens from time to time but as forever GM I almost universally bait the party back into the dungeon somehow, for example by threatening them with consequences of not completing the dungeon swiftly, or by sweetening the deal with increased rewards, or by psyops like mentioning how a different group will claim the rewards or how their close friends/family are counting on the party clearing the dungeon etc. etc. Unless this was a minor side shit in which case I don't bother and let them skip and maybe come back later if they wish.
>>97207783Another good one is telling them that only the first part was hard and it only gets easier from there (it actually only gets harder), by the time they realize they've been bamboozled the sunken cost fallacy should take care of keeping them from fleeing.
I ran Descent into Avernus once for my D&D group. The Dungeon of the Dead Three is notorious for being entirely unbalanced (it's intended for level 1 players but multiple mobs in the dungeon will entirely wipe a party with no issues), so I had them do some dungeons to get to level 3 or so. Even with that, they got hit with 1 fireball during an encounter and nearly everyone was put to single-digit HP or were downed from full health, so they noped the fuck out of there ASAP.By the time they gathered a group of Fists to aid them it had been a day or so, so I had the entire dungeon clear out as the secret location was compromised. They could still pick up the relevant plot clues but they were bummed they couldn't take revenge.
>>97207739NTA but it's not exactly had to clock fat green elves with elephant ears as being porn, they're never used in anything else.
Theres usually some in-story reason to go through a dungeon, so never had the chance to just ignore it.>>97207735If you're going to mention that its porn, at least also mention the artist.
>>97207823And you'd know that from---considerable experience with cartoon porn
>>97207851Because you keep spamming it on this board, yes.
>>97207726That's actually pretty common in OSR.Also kobolds > goblins
>>97207726That's good, it means the players are actually thinking. There isn't anything you're supposed to do beyond try to make good decisions according to your goals. If the players aren't free to decide for themselves what their characters do, there's no reason for them to show up.
>>97207726Yes, we've had situations like changing upon the lair of an adult blue dragon while we're like level 3. And this is something that *should* happen, the world shouldn't all be scaled to the PCs' level like a Toddslop video game but instead make the players be cautious and scout ahead and seriously consider whether some fights are worth starting.
>>97207726I introduced an enemy in a game living in the catacombs beneath the city, and after fighting it once they refuse to go back down there again. Except as potentially part of a future plan to lure another powerful enemy they are dealing with in order to make them fight each other and get rid of at least one of their problems in the process. They've mentioned that as a plan a couple of times, but not had a chance to act on that yet. In their defense, they stuffed a grenade down the creature's "throat" and the resulting explosion didn't kill it. Which makes sense to me knowing how the creature works, but as far as they are concerned that puts it outside of their ability to handle because they were 100% sure that would kill it.
>>97208008>Any choice they make should have a meaningful impact on the worldQuantum ogres are now a good thing?
>>97209297You don't understand the topic of the conversation, do you? It has nothing to do with quantum ogres, bringing them up is as irrelevant as Bionicle lore.
>>97209334It meets the definition pretty much verbatim. Players decide to go left? The world responds by manifesting ogres on the left.
>>97209361Qunatum ogres are when you have ONE encounter prepped, and you drop it in front of the players wherever they go and give the players only an illusion of choice. In >>97208008 notice the presence of pluralities. Plot hooks, multiple. Rumors, not singular. Different problems in different directions.If I tell you that there is a dragon attack in the north and a goblin invasion in the south, you have a choice of options. North, south, or a different direction entirely. If you went west and ran into the dragon anyway, that would be a quantum ogres situation. If you go west and run into bandits on the road preying upon people fleeing the dragon attack, that is not a quantum ogre situation.
>>97209297How did you get that from what I said or the image posted?
When I was a fulltime wagie with a girlfriend I still managed to make dungeons for my group and if they didn't go into them then I would just move on and make another one. Probably 30 percent of my dungeon content went to waste. It is what it is. Ideas can be reused.
>>97207726Wow, you're really fucking stupid. Tactical retreats and coming back when you are stronger has been a staple of gaming since it's very first inception. I genuinely recommend that you find the nearest blunt object and smash your skull into it
>>97209479It's world responding to player choice, by relocating the ogres in their way.
>>97209614Which post said that you should relocate ogres?
>>97207726Pretty much anytime my party would step into a dungeon
>>97209624The >>97208008 said world should respond to any player choice.
>>97209653...and the ONLY way you can imagine that happening is quantum ogres, despite that obviously being against the spirit of the passage you are choosing to misinterpret?
>>97209653LMAO fucking retard
>>97209682It's not the only way I can think of, but it's certainly the first and most widespread case of world rearranging itself to convenience (or inconvenience) of the players.
>>97209749You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. This isn't a telltale game, you can have different types of consequences for different types of actions
>>97209653I don't see the word "ogres" in this post. Did you mean to link a different one?
>>97209749Which post or image contains the words "convenience" or "inconvenience"?
>>97209845well, it definitely did contain the word "bait", so we got that one covered
>>97209868What are you talking about?
>>97209749Well?
>>97207823Elephant ears?? Those are clearly bat-like ears
>>97209850convenience or inconvenience are implicit, perfect net neutral changes are unlikely
>>97209920No they're not. Stop being dishonest or leave the thread.
>>97209920You're just making up nonsense to be mad about
>>97209957change that's neither for better nor for worse is no change at all
>>97207726Your GM should be thankful that you aren't playing a sci-fi game where the Ripley Option is a valid response, since it means that the place can be revisited once the characters have become stronger, rather than it being nuked from orbit.
>>97210048False.
>>97207823But that's a goblin, wtf are you talking about. It's not even fat.
