>>97171444 >What is /awg/?A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to more specific games.This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre, let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.>Examples of games that qualify.A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Batman Miniature Game, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings,Deadzone, Dragon Rampant, Dropfleet and Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate, Frostgrave, Gaslands, HeroClix,Kings of War, Maelstrom's Edge, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Masters of the Universe: Battleground, Moonstone,Oathmark, OnePageRules, Open Combat, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam, SAGA, StarCraft, Stargrave, Sludge, Urban War, Void,Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenos Rampant, Xenotactics......and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.>Examples of companies providing rules and/or miniatures for alternative wargames.Archon Studio, Atomic Mass Games, Black Site Studios, CMON, Goblin King Games, Mantic, North Star Military Figures,OnePageRules, Osprey, Para Bellum, Seb Games, Spellcrow, TTCombat, Victrix, Wargames Atlantic, Warlord Games......and many other publishers.>Places to get minis; Updates to the minis list are welcome.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2DbNJ2mYAUxh5P9Pq9NZqS5tXHGn0i2JhZchEwbA2I/edithttps://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/373197.page>Novice Troves, meant to serve as a sampler of available systems. Check out the Share Thread for up-to-date troves.https://pastebin.com/MjtsC8AXhttps://mega.nz/#F!zSYW0I4a!vXh8-UPi_tWXpJES_-p4zg>TQWhat do you love and hate about the wargaming industry the most?
Anybody know of some free wargames?>inb4 pirateI mean free from the start and intended to be free forever. I only know of Ninth Age Fantasy Battles. How's it holding up these days?
>>97209602Here in Poland some professional 3d printers market nearly exclusively to them and that community apparently has regular tournaments etc. But I've mainly heard bad things about that game.
>>97209675>But I've mainly heard bad things about that game.Such as?To be honest I'm looking for a nice rank and flank fantasy wargame.
>>97209675>some professional 3d printers market nearly exclusively to themI forgot to also ask:Do you mean 3D sculptors or just printing services? And can you name them if they are just sculptors distributing STLs digitally, please?
>>97209701Mostly that the community was very cuntish at the start and that the rules are based on the worst editions and the desires of sweaty competitive types. But you know how the Warhammer edition wars are - very subjective.>>97209724Printing services.
>>97209602Loads of them, though I don't think there's much reason not to pirate things. "Free" isn't a sensible requirement: what do you actually want to do?Xenotactics is a great stripped down version of Infinity.Do the Net Epics and Warmaster Revolution count as free? GW certainly didn't intend them that way, but the fan versions are technically distinct.I think No Quarter and No Limits are WFB/40k descended free games.There's a bunch of ultra short rules like OPR and FUBAR.Most common I think are sci-fi skirmish games. I think Planet28 is free, and Star Breach, and probably loads more.
>>97209767Thanks anon!I'll admit something free can often times make something more appealing and even affect one's enjoyment of it because no money (for the rules at least) were spent.
im not 100% sure if this is the right place to ask. but iv been trying to decide on a smaller squad type of wargame.I liked Trench Crusade, but apparently, there is some weird drama related to it, and the player base shrank. turnip28 seems fun, but the rules look a little fucky. I'd just like to play a smaller-scale squad game with a playerbase I don't need to pull teeth to find a game, with rules that don't have a lot of bloat, so I can build an army for my hyper fixation. Any ideas?
>>97210189SOVL -overload
>>97209602>Anybody know of some free wargames?Dirtside 2 and Full Thrust have been free for ages from Ground Zero Games. Dirtside uses a fascinating, if awkward, chit-based combat system with many of the statisical advantages of a card-based one without all the extra faff. You can fit everything you need to play it in an envelope and a small file folder. Full Thrust is a generic space combat game with optional inertia rules; almost every SF universe you can think of has been statted up for it, and it has unit building rules.7TV has had multiple free releases of the core rules with varying levels of extra shit removed. I recommend 2e for now, the first edition has some weird mechanical choices and they pulled a bunch of stuff from 3e. Conceit is you're playing out a pulpy TV series/B-movie with an emphasis on Spy-fi (James Bond), hedge horror (Wicker Man, Dead and Buried), crime dramas, and trashy SF (V!, Dr. Who, et. al.). There are a bunch of paid setting books that expand to 30s pulp, superheroes, sword-and-sandal, etc.I'm quite partial to WarEngine. It was a late 1990s 40k competitor that went to some kinda wild places. The core system has been released for free several times, with various plugins for their own post-apoc setting, a 40k knockoff, a batshit pulp anime setting called "Golgo Island" that's still available for free on DTRPG, and the GWAR book in the OP trove. It's got simple, easy rules for making your own units. The caveat is, there's not much statted up to begin with so you kind of have to build your own for most settings. I like it as a convention game because the rules are short and intuitive. For checks you roll against a target number, most involve throwing several dice and then picking a few to keep (EG "roll 4, keep 2", or "roll 3, keep 3"). Vehicles and monsters use the same rules as infantry, and it does scale well between them. Miniatures support is LONG dead, and there are only a couple of active groups I know about (one in France)
>>97209602You get what you pay for. Nothing decent in life has ever been free, save for the beauty of Gods natural world
>>97210189I still have a catalog for the old VOID somewhere.
How come there aren't more Napoleonic inspired fantasy settings? Doesn't Not!Medieval Europe get old?
>>97210948Antoine LaSalle was a certified White Ass Nigga Going Hard as Fuck
>>97210948There are more ways to make a setting interesting than changing one inaccurate timeperiod for inspiration for another.
>>97210948Napoleonic fantasy is mostly just a way to lure your historical playing uncle away from painting his fifteenth regiment of identical Prussian infantry.
>>97211400But he only has 800 of them when the historical Battle of Whogivesafuckbrücke had 840 Prussian infantry...
>>97211427Even worse, it's the third Battle of Whogivesafuckbrüke, which was after they changed the color of the uniform pants from Aüsburgen Dull Charcoal to Shneetz-Witz Ratte Pale, all the guys at the 1857-1894 Wargames Club will make fun of him if he brings the wrong pants! Better order another box of monopose soldiers just to be safe.
>>97211569>all the guys at the 1857-1894 Wargames Club will make fun of him if he brings the wrong pants!They should.
The second market scamming products?
>>97209588I've only played square base games digitally, could someone provide some guidance on rank and flank stuff?I am not sure what base sizes to use for 6mm scale. I have been looking at playing LOTR Warmaster and maybe some other games.I am sure it varies by game but I only play solo so it's no biggie if my armies are scaled or based wrong, I just want to get off on the right foot.Also not sure how to base other unit types.
>>97210570>the GWAR bookI literally have a copy of that IRL and now I suddenly want to develop a new GWAR wargame with batshit insane mechanics. There is a surprising number of not! GWAR STLs online and I just got a new Saturn 4 Uktra 16k. Hmmmm.
>>97211569Kek is this what scifi/fantasy manchildren actually think historical games are like?
>>97210948What, like Turnip 28?
>>97210948I’d prefer a more western fantasy setting.
>>97211873Show us your 1857-1894 Wargames Club -member card
>>97209602Mobile Frame Zero
>>97210948>Doesn't [thing people actually like] get old?No. Though as has been pointed out a million times before, almost none of those settings are at all medieval anyway.
Northstar's doing a Cultist Knights box now.
>>97212971What a welcome surprise! I've really enjoyed working on all north star plastics so far.
>>97212971These are so all over the place, idk what to think
>>97212385He said medieval inspired
>>97213182The Knights boxes for Frostgrave, like the Wizards boxes, are basically giant bits boxes. You build a few key and unique characters from them maybe, and the rest is used to further individualize your other units.
>>97212971These look worse than kitbashes.
>>97213196No he didn't.
has anyone played deadmans hand? how is it?
>>97212971At least the little faggots aren't holding not-lasrifles.
>>97215733kek was just thinking they'd make great base models for feudal guard. Give the little faggots lazors.
>>97212971I like em.
I am busy printing a huge bits box for Gaslands so all my bros can build cool cars for free. I’m just that awesome a guy.
>>97210948Napoleonic style line warfare doesn't work with most fantasy settings, due to existence in most of them of more precise substitutes for artillery and line breaking units. You can't really have anything close to Napoleonic style warfare when the other side can put a wizard with Fireball on the field.
>>97211873Modelling wise? Absolutely. If you check out any reviews on historical miniatures any guy worth his salt is going to be going into some autistic details over what is done right and wrong. Sometimes getting into arguments with commenters over historical accuracy of their claims. With sources. Rules wise it is much more relaxed.
>>97212059I love MFZ for the idea, but the implementation fucking sucks. You'd think building around Lego sets you would see some serious mech creation rules that reward you for going out of your way in designing some fun miniatures instead you get anemic rules right romp that is at best good for introduction into wargaming and then forgotten.
Not long until the Starcraft pre-orders go live! I can't wait for January.
>>97217388OMG, another WARHAMMER Killer!!!
>>97217388ngl that queen looks kinda fuckable
>>97217171>Napoleonic line warfare doesn't work >But medieval line warfare does, because... UhhhAnon do you realise Napoleonic troops and formations were MUCH faster, more mobile and less static than medieval or Renaissance ones, and unlike not!Medieval shit, Napoleonic armies had an actual chance of countering casters with their highly mobile and long range artillery. Lastly, Napoleonic tactics worked against 'magic-like' effrcts like shot at with grapeshot, artillery, Mortars, etc., where as medieval warfare isn't. Yet all fantasy warfare is depicted as medieval warfare? Your argument is very poorly thought out
yeah ok maybe I'll finally buy a not sci fi box then
>>97209602There you go, Anon: https://freewargamesrules.fandom.com/wiki/Freewargamesrules_Wikiwhich period are you into?My personal advice:>Grunt II>Road Wolf (best Mad Max vehicular combat, bar no one)>War Engine>Star Breach>No Quarter
>>97217171>>97210948I had less to do with tactics and more to do with how modern audience expectations. Like I teach history and I usually have to spend a whole class explaining Napoleonic warfare because to most people the idea that you'd line up in neat ranks and take turns shooting each other seems absurd.
>>97218468Just give them laserguns
>>97218805aw man. I hate gee dubs but that was burn.
>>97218660>I teach history.... to most people You mean 13 year olds?
>>97217171The classic solution is to just not make magic that powerful, or make magic into the artillery. You have a wizard, I have a cannon. The cannon might be more awkward to move around, but they both throw something capable of bowling over a whole column of men.
How is TnT 2e? I see they're bringing back the mutant cannibals.
>>97219507Pretty good, the changes they made favor more aggressive play overall. I just wish a bit more of the supplement gear and skills made the jump.
>>97217388I just hope the zerglings are as cheap as they should be I could use some generic scary aliens.
>>97217803One can hope!>>97217819Indeed she does, anon.>>97219845They're trying to price it as well as they can and have promised reasonable prices for all units so let's hope they're decently costed. I mean, even if they're not...I'll still buy 'em, hyped af for this game and can't wait to consssssume.
>>97217188MFZ is kind of dead, I would try my hands at a more in depth ruleset but I don't think I'd be able to do any better
>>97217819Not my Queen
>>97219055>13 year oldsAverage war gamers mental age. >>97217819>>97217388Tfw you'll never cum on her chitinous abs.
>>97219732ntaAre the changes significant enough its not easy to just port the 1st ed supplements forward?
>>97212971These look great. Still need to get the Cultist 3 box though. I don't think I'd have much use for them though, you can combine the cultist and knight box fine. Although they do look a lot more fantasy. Speaking of North Star, I've got my 5 Leagues minis built now. At least for the 3 enemy factions and my warband. I'll need some NPCs and neutrals.
>>97219999I bet she fucks human males.
>>97220652She boils them in her digestive juices until their biomass is consumed.
>>97220469It's probably not that hard, I'm just tired. If trying to port giant beasties from the1e giant monster supplement is a complete disaster I'll probably post about it here one way or another. I should also try to get more pictures of games, I don't do that enough.
>>97219999I'm with you. I've lost interest in sc the more I look at the sequel specific minis. I'm just gonna wait till they sell the hydras as singles and spend my money on warzone eternal before it goes out of business instead. Pic from fb.
>>97219039Bewbs
Is there an Elden Ring type of game? I just got booted out of the Kingdome Death: Mosnter thread because of their $53456 gameI need something cheaperI would even be willing to pay for resin prints or somethingI just want to play a cool game and not get scammed with plasticIs that so hard?
>>97220581>double baseshame
>>97221826You mean the little lumps the north star minis come on? I don't mind them, they'll be covered up when I base the minis and it keeps the feet up so it looks like they are standing on the ground, not in it.
>>97221854>he thinks anons base their models
>>97221879>About to talk shit>Look over at my display of completed models>None of them have finished basesOh no
>>97220581>you can combine the cultist and knight box fineWouldn't cultists kitbash quite well with the demons? Just use the bodies without clawed feet and cultist heads for cult knights and Templars
>>97221901Yeah definitely. And with the gnolls. And with the gnolls, knights and demons. You can really just throw anything together with these kits and it just werks. I only didn't use the demon stuff here because they are a foreign legion in my setting with their own unique aesthetic. But my bandits in the front there have stuff from the cultist, soldier, knight, gnoll and wizard kits all together. It's just a lot of fun working with them. One of the dude's in my warband has an axe from one of the kits and I cut the head of the axe off and glued a book from the wizard kit onto it instead to make a staff.
>>97221879>>97221891>Having to share thread with subhuman baseletsFML
>Northstar kitbashingI think these resin Gorka bodies would be ideal to use all the spare Stargrave arms, especially the Scavenger stuff.
>>97221934You have permission to put me down.
>>97221935Hard to say without having them together. Might need some putty work to get everything together, but if the scale works together, I don't see why not. Not a huge fan of them though. They kind just look like they're about to go for a bike ride.
>>97221822I know they didn't tell you this, but. If you root around for a bit in the past threads and know the PDF sharethread customs, there's a trove of all the rules for KDM. You can find readily-available recasts as well as 3DP proxies/scans elsewhere for a lot cheaper than plastic.That said there's not much else that does the highly-tactical PvE boss fights and freaky monsters thing you seem to be looking for. Sadly. You could try to scrounge up the official Dark Souls board game. Or hit up /3DPG/ for information on STLs inspired by stuff like Blasphemous and Souls. Be aware that they're pretty fucking cancerous.
>>97222004thanks for the info ladyes while I was waiting I was already searching for printnplay kits for KDM (one would think that there should be some), but seems like I'm going to make it from scratchGlad to have a direction, I'll fish for that rulebook aroundAnd for what I can understand, looks like the player minis are basically just stand-ins anyway, I'll probably go for some Bestiarum hero minis
>>97221891How do you even complete a model without completing the base as well?
>>97222047That's what I just realised. They aren't actually completed at all but for some reason I convinced myself that they are.
>>97220174>Tfw you'll never cum on her chitinous abs.Not with that attitude.
>>97221443>warzone eternalTerrible, TERRIBLE, choice but alrighty.
Ordered the Void 2.0 box set on Friday. Anyone else picked up any Void from Seb Games?I remember back in the day the Viridian plastics were super handy for conversions (I still have some Viridian rifles in my bits box) but never actually played a game or put together an army.
>>97220652
>>97221188Yeah I figure its not huge changes to the rules otherwise anons here would have complained at least a bit. I was holding off on buying a print copy of 1st ed to see if 2nd had a lot of the supplements folded into it or if I would have to sort it out myself.
>>97222407I'm waiting to see if they release the urban war gynoids as a box again instead of individually. The Hydra box also swapped out the different chunks of hydra for the little skullpiles and the mother, which is cool but I'd like the different markers for the hydra more.
>>97221188>>97220469>>97224053>I was holding off on buying a print copy of 1st ed to see if 2nd had a lot of the supplements folded into it or if I would have to sort it out myself.2e doesn't have much of the supplemental warbands, just errata, skills, and a bunch of new bits like Soldiers-for-hire. Several skills and mutations from Companion got dumped along with scavved power armor and the power armor customization rules. That said most of the skills did make it. Tribals kinda got screwed, they lose the most out of the bands that didn't get outright dropped to wait for supplements, and all the beastmaster rules also got pulled (presumably for further playtesting)I've been doing a comprehensive re-read as I have the time, it's just slow going because of the kid>is it hard to port stuffThe core system is virtually unchanged. There are a few minor tweaks and new rules to account for but the old points values should be close enough to at least spitball things. It very much feels like an update that rolls in Kickstart the Wasteland and bits of Companion rather than a complete refresh. On the flip side it *definitely* isn't the omnibus edition everyone was begging for.
>>97210948>How come there aren't more Napoleonic inspired fantasy settings?mostly because of this >>97217171, it doesn't translate well into a fantasy setting since many fantasy tropes just invalidate the whole thing; at best you could come up with a setting with nations, characters and events inspired in the Napoleonic era, me thinksi can think of 3 on the spot, tho, and one of them is an actual skirmish game>Silver Bayonet>Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell>Temeraire, His Majesty's Dragon
Anyone here play Armored Clash?
>>97225416Never read it but this one too. There was a rulelite in 10mm with grimdark cubeheades and Napoleonic a e s t h e t i c but I don't know if it got past beta. Mechanically its not hard to think of ways to have it work, I think its that its boring to most people interested in fantasy.
>>97212059Fantastic idea, shitty execution
>>97225416Wars of Ozz is Napoleonic and has witches and wizards. They mostly made the magic utility focused though. When I get home I'll find some examples. It's super boomer coded and there's only a physical book with Facebook eratta, no PDF.
>>97227151Actually, they released updated charts that include all the spells. iirc, named characters get a specific spell list, generic mercenary witches and wizards roll for one or two spells each.
>>97227151>boomer coded All good wargames are
>>97227180And for reference of what a 2d10 Fireball with a marksmanship of 6 does, it hits the same as 2 stands of generic regular infantry (2/5ths of a standard regiment). Elite units with elite leaders might have marksmanship 7 or 8.
>>97227151Ngl being forced to watch Wicked really made me want to pick this game up.
>>97227594I also refuse to watch Wicked. Especially now that it looks like the director induced eating disorders in half the cast and the malnutrition has gone straight to their heads in weird culty ways.
>>97227594I played one game of it using proxy bases, it's pretty fun. I don't really have much to compare it to though, I don't play many rank and flank games. A typical game uses brigades made of four or five regiments with each regiment being made up of five "stands" which the majority of units represent with 2"x2" bases (artillery puts all five on one 4"x4"). Each brigade has an overall commander and initiative is handled with both dice and cards. Each regiment rolls a d6 at the start and then when it's time to activate units, you draw a card from 1-6. But brigade commanders can collect up all the dice from units near them and hand them back out as the numbers come up, so there's more control closer to your commander.
>>97227594>forced to watch WickedMy condolences, brother.
Wasn't there a Greek themed game in the making currently? Something skirmish scale I think, but I can't remember.
>>97225416 Any Silver Bayonet in the trove?
>>97228808!ospgami
>>97225416A wizard with fireball would act no different then an artillery piece. This is such a retarded point of view. The real reason there isn't a huge number of napoleoic fantasy games is because fantasy is generally associated with guys in armor with swords.It's also why there isn't a lot of napoleonic fantasy media in general.
>>97229061>A wizard with fireball would act no different then an artillery piece. This is such a retarded point of viewwhy bother with artillery if you have wizards, retard?
>>97229161>why bother with artillery if you have wizards, retard?why bother with wizards if you have artilleryactually why not both, you retard
>>97229061>napoleonic fantasy media Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrel is pretty good.
>>97229161Why bother with swords if you have wizards, retard?
>>97229209True.Frostgrave should be played wizard only.
is warcrow any good
>>97229328Nobody knows because the designs are mid and the prices are ridiculous.
>>97229328If you want fantasy Infinity I'd play Eldfall Chronicles instead
>>97229188>why bother with wizards if you have artillerywizards don't get stuck in mud, do not require the logistics a cannon with full supplement gear requires, does not stop working if the powder gets wet, does not run out of balls to launch (although that one depends on what magic system you're using) and probably does not explode if their shoots fail for some reason (unless you're playing Warhammer)if your wizards are as powerful, reliable and readily available as your artillery, then having artillery doesn't make any sense since using wizards is easier and probably more efficient>>97229209>Why bother with swords if you have wizards, retard?exactly my point
>>97229161At Leipzig there was 2000 guns on the field. Wizards simply cannot compete with that range and firepower. The French routinely used grand batteries of 100+ guns concentrated on one spot. Wizards would need some retarded Mary Sue insane power levels to compete with Napoleonic artillery. A single musket volley to be honest would cause far more damage than a wizards fireball. Wizards would only be useful for support role shit like calling in dense localized fog or rain. Again I'll reiterate, a Napoleonic army is way less effected by a wizard than a medieval army would be.
>>97229452>wizard shows up on the battlefield >cannon ball blows his head smoove off >battle proceeds as normal
>>97229161Most settings where a wizards fireball is as good as a cannon shot has far fewer proficient wizards than you'd need to replace all the cannons. Napoleonic armies used a looooot of cannons.
>>97229452>if your wizards are as powerful, reliable and readily available as your artillery, then having artillery doesn't make any sense since using wizards is easier and probably more efficienthow are wizards more efficient if you just said they are as reliable and available... or just consider how easy/fast it could be to train a wizard and an artillery crew.anyway, stop being autistic and fuck off, we can handwave any explanation to why artillery and wizards could be equal or unequal in terms of warfare, especially in a stupid toy soldier game, and it makes no sense to argue "nu-uhs" and "what ifs" in a hypothetical scenario that does not exists
>>97229454>Wizards simply cannot compete with that range and firepower>Wizards would need some retarded Mary Sue insane power levels to compete with Napoleonic artillery>Again I'll reiterate, a Napoleonic army is way less effected by a wizard than a medieval army would be.Depends on the setting
>>97229452>>Why bother with swords if you have wizards, retard?>exactly my pointAh so you just want an argument because your bored and devoid of substantial human interaction. Fuck off cretin.
>>97229454I kinda want a battery of 100+ wizards raining fire upon my enemies.
Now I really want to play a 18th century fantasy game with wizards, sabres and muskets.
>>97229504>Ah so you just want an argument because your bored and devoid of substantial human interactionno, I just want an actual argument from your part about how am I wrong to consider that mixing the Napoleonic wars with fantasy does not work well taking into account how the introduction of magic would make the use of artillery ridiculous as I pointed out here>>97225416, with this anon >>97229061 saying it was a retarded idea since "A wizard with fireball would act no different then an artillery piece"; which is in itself a stupid idea, because a wizard might be much less, similarly or far more powerful in war than an artillery piece, completely depending on the rules of the game or setting we're talking about>Fuck off cretingo get your dick bitten off by your little niece, dipshitit's not my fault if any of you can't manage to write a simple argument without retorting to insults. grow the fuck up or don't bother me with your brainlet shit, pleb
>>97229452>wizards don't get stuck in mudNerds are bad at outdoors. >logistics and weather Spell components being rare and miscible. >run out of balls Wizards are known cowards. Also spell slots or mana. >doesn't explode Spell failure, miscasting, patron hates you now, summoning gone wrong, being an arrogant jackass, wizards explode all the time. Its why we make them wear funny hats. >if your wizards are as powerful, reliable and readily available as your artilleryThey clearly aren't. Sillyness aside, a prudent commander would have both, because the flexibility of magic and the repeatable long range destruction of artillery are both useful in different ways.
>>97229161Why bother with infantry if you have tanksWhy bother with tanks if you have himarsWhy bother with himars if you have planesWhy bother with planes if you have nukesWhy bother making such a retarded fucking argument in the first place
>>97229512The tricky part is scale. Basically wizards and the fantastical are about individual specialness and 18th century warfare was getting into modern mechanization and industrialization of war that operates in such a way as to nullify that. This is a balance part of wargames with magic that's always been difficult, making magic feel cool and special but not so much so that the entire game is just your wizard.
>>97229512Turnip?
>>97229638Why bother with nukes if you have wizards?
>>97229614>a prudent commander would have both, because the flexibility of magic and the repeatable long range destruction of artillery are both useful in different waysat last an actual argument. And a good one, at that, not just "hurr durrr you're wrong and a retard"Wizards as support units to infantry and artillery is something I could see working in a Napoleonic context, but that's it. I still maintain that wizards with comparatively the same or more offensive power than even a single artillery would be anime tier shit (in fact there are animes that do exactly that), or would be if they were considered as commonly available to cannon/mortars like here >>97229454why bother with 1000 cannons if you can just field 1000 wizards? You just wouldn't. But if wizards are as rare and hard to train as they're most commonly portraited in fiction (like in Jonathan Strange; England only has 1 wizard and Napoleon doesn't even manage to find one) then mixing magical stuff into Napoleonic wargaming could work just fine
>>97229601>I want an actual argument No you don't, because completely ignored all the posts ITT explaining how Wizards are less effective in the Napoleonic era than in a medieval setting. If you are okay with wizards existing in the same setting as knights and medieval style armies, you are not being logically consistent and intellectually honest (perhaps you're retarded?)
>>97229650I'm not hungry, thank you
>>97229601>>97229675I'm not trying to be an ass, anon, but genuinely I would like you to go take an IQ test and use the results to help you decide whether you should keep arguing online or not
>>97229713>I'm not trying to be an assyou're, and you're one
>>97229452>>97229675>>97229614>>97229727Are you ESL? I bet you're the loser who complains about his hands hurting,.you sound just like him
Warmachine had artillery and wizards. I guess it usually made more sense for the wizards to cast support spells is how that worked.
Wizards have never been "artillery" in fantasy, like ever. That's some gay DnD 5e shit.
>>97229650I don't think Turnip has wizards, just regular soldiers and maybe a couple weird mounts
>>97229675Anon, can you name a single fantasy setting where wizards can shoot fireballs from 2km away or one where you'd have 100+ wizards lined up shooting their fireballs for hours on end?
>>97229655Why bother with wizards if you have avenues to diplomatic resolution of inter-State disputes?
>>97229796>what is Warhammer Fantasy BattleIdiot
>>97229796I'm pretty sure that in Chainmail they were literally just catapults restatted to have infantry size and movement.
>>97229905>I'm pretty sure Not off to a good start >>97229901Thanks for letting me know you're never played
>>97229864None that I know of; again, if we agree that wizards are as rare in a Napoleonic setting as in your average fantasy setting and not so ridiculously powerful that any other kind of support for infantry would be pointless in comparison then it's fine, otherwise I just can't see any reason to have anything but them around to hit enemies from a distance if that's all you need to crash opposing armies,as in here >>97229646Napoleonic armies with a wizard on each side doing their thing is an interesting idea; one with full platoons of them is just regular high tantasy
>>97229936I just double checked, they can shoot two kinds of missiles, a fireball equivalent to a large catapult and a lightning bolt equivalent to a field gun. They do get other spells though and are better than a literal catapult because of them. But the fireball itself lands like a catapult.
>>97229601If you accept that a wizard can exist in a setting with guys with swords n shit without invalidating them entirely then you should be able to accept a wizard existing in a setting with guns n shitm Unless you are being intellectually dishonest and willfully obtuse just to have an argument because you are bored and crave human interaction. So again, fuck off cretin.
>>97229989And the cheapest possible magic user costs 50 points to a catapults 20
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>>97229936>Thanks for letting me know you're never playedThe Bright Order laughs at your impotence and ESL stupidity.
>>97227659>Each regiment rolls a d6 at the start and then when it's time to activate units, you draw a card from 1-6. But brigade commanders can collect up all the dice from units near them and hand them back out as the numbers come up, so there's more control closer to your commander.Interesting. >>97229655Why bother with was even you have Wizard Battles!
>>97230446>was even you have Wizard Battles!What the fuck
>blows your wizards head smoov off Kek nothing personal nigga, battlefield is no place for nerds
Any interesting releases recently ? Anything fun on the horizon ?
>>97230965I'm quite excited about victrix expanding their medieval range. Fingers crossed for mongols and byzantines! WGA might also release some interesting kits. Hopefully more iron-core minis.
>>97231190>I'm quite excited about victrix expanding their medieval range.Personally I am waiting for arab horse archers.
>>97229989The fireball is also a direct upgrade to the Large Catapult since it's not subject to the triangulation and variation rules and just goes where you want it.The lightning bolt isn't so much of a direct upgrade to the Heavy Field Gun, since although it has the same witch and isn't subject to the variation measure and firing dowel black/white bounce modelling shit, and can indirect fire to get around terrain obstacles, it only hits 6" of its range instead of the 22" (white) or 14" (black) of the standard HFG.Interestingly, I think original Chainmail is the only game in the entire Chainmail/D&D line where those spells support indirect fire, everywhere else they are solely linear.
>>97231541>The fireball is also a direct upgrade to the Large Catapult since it's not subject to the triangulation and variation rules and just goes where you want it.>Year of THAC0 + 50>Not making the wizard roll an accuracy check
>>97231583We're talking about Chainmail 3e (1973), anon. The center of the fireball is placed at the number of inches called, and then you put the hit pattern marker down to see what's in range.
>>97231655Crusty ahh unc game
>>97212971Great. Those Frostgrave bits are excellent for kitbashes.
>>97234058Zoomensprache should be grounds for a public flogging.
Anyone played Guards of Traitor’s Toll? Specifically solo, but any opinions are welcome, conceptually it looks great and the minis could be great for something like Mordheim or Frostgrave.
Hello lads been awayLook what random shite washed up at Home Bargains this timeThe other box had Jake Sully as a big blue guy and a like 4" long cat alien thing which is probably not very useful
>>97234324>4" long cat alien thing which is probably not very usefulHow so? Sounds perfectly good kitbash fodder.
>>97212971Four kits and only one of them have the hoods. Also three kits for followers and four for cultists. Like why?
>>97234349Cults sell
>>97234342Possibly, just struck me as a bit too big. And I'm a sucker for toys for wargaming.
>>97234278NTA but I think you got lost on the way to cockaholics anonymous, r*dditfag.
Also em4 need to take better pictures of their old Metal Magic Spacelords stuff because the sculpts FUCK HARDIf I am productive in 2026 I was a full army of these Cybertech clankers
>>97234384Take a nap, unc
>>97229675>why bother with 1000 cannons if you can just field 1000 wizards?If the logistics happened in a vacuum this would be a functional question but we don't really have that at the same time as not having an actual setting, its just everyone's likely different ideas about how common wizards are. Yes, in a perfect world the army I like would have all the things I want when I want them. Doesn't seem like an interesting game though. I've considered trying to take the perry brother's napoleonic battle in a box and add a few fantastical elements, I think more towards the idea of magic as subterfuge and support oriented warfare. Keeps it involved but mangeable and from being overwhelming or turning into herohammer except everyone has tall hats. A system of cards with battlefield altering abilities that are interesting but don't make things too swingy or radically undermine the interesting aspects of early manoeuvre warffare.
>>97234385I surpremely wish tarrifs hadnt made getting stuff from over there so fucking difficult and expensive, I fell in love with those bunker busters guys. They look so damn good with the fuckoff big guns.
>>97234349>>97234363I vague recall an interview with Northstar employees where one says "when in doubt, release some cultists", so yeah they sell quiet well.
I'm thinking of pulling the trigger on Rumbleslam for a laugh, are Ronnie Salvage and Porcelynn good additions to fill out the starter set? Obviously balance isn't the biggest deal for this game, but I don't want it to be wildly one sided if one of them turns out to be meta.
>>97237311Sounds like you're overthinking it
The years pass, and scales just creep up
>>97239212>5'3">6'
>>97239212What years?
Hey, all. Merry Christmas.I'm looking for a recommendation for a simple fantasy skirmish game. I'm trying to get my wife to play a few games with me over drinks and, as much as I'd like her to play Mordheim, it's just not gonna happen. I need something a bit more simple. She's played a bit of D&D before (like twice) and some Heroquest, but not much more complicated than that. I was considering maybe Frostrgrave, but I think the amount of spells and stuff could throw her off at first.
>>97242400Brutality Skirmish is very, very simple as long as one of you is comfortable cooking up stat-lines. It's a lot of fun too. Encourages a weird mish-mash of stuff and dumb metal behavior
>>97234285I'm working on mine. 36 figures is kind of a lot, especially considering they're all different and I don't want to do up my medieval peasants and watchmen as some kind of football uniformed team. I'm a beginner painter as well.You need a ton of terrain for this game. It's supposed to be pretty fun though, I'll get to actively posting in this thread when I have played some actual games. Rn just under half the box is painted. I'm using the old Catan cardgame art for inspiration which is fun and nostalgic.
>>97242400Nice Shambler, where's the model from?
>>97240427from 2019-09-25 to 2025-10-29
>>97239212When will they learn?
>>97243006Thanks. It was a 3d print I found on Thingiverse iirc. I have stats I made for him for AD&D somewhere.
>>97242411Writing stat lines is doable for me. I'll take a look. Thanks.
>>97242400Definitely frostgrave. You could try a co-op one though. Rangers of shadowdeep has a story that might keep her more engaged and much less wizadry. 5 leagues from the borderlands could be fun if she enjoys the campaign aspect of it. Depends if she just wants to play and not think about it afterwards or wants a campaign experience.
>>97242400Open Combat. I suggested it to another anon not long ago and it's still in NewVola.
>>97242400IF you want to keep it really, really simple for the introduction and maybe scaling it bit by bit after the first game then I'd recommend OPR Skirmish, and only go into Frostgrave and Mordheim if she really gets into fantasy skirmish
>>97242400You should get her on a diet and a stairmaster. Also Warhammer Quest (1995)
>>97244245She's a beast on the stair master desu. She'll hammer that thing for hours straight. I do my cardio in short sprints but she just keeps climbing.And good point on WHQ. I've always wanted to play that.
>>97218660>to most people the idea that you'd line up in neat ranks and take turns shooting each other seems absurdwell yeah if you describe it like that then it definitely would. history in general is gonna seem really strange if your starting assumption is that anyone who lived before "now" had the IQ of a root vegetable.
Hope everyone had a nice Christmas lads. Was going to do some Boxing Day hobby but haven't.What did you all get? I didn't ask for much this year, my work colleague got me a nice little em4 Miniatures order and my family the Planet 28 rulebook I chucked on a recent Mammoth Miniatures order.I want to paint the Space Rangers super quick whilst I'm off work
>>97245384THIS.Where do I get heroes etc. in 1/72 scale ? I guess I will multibase them for Horde of the Things
>>972456601/72 is 20mm shouldn't be too hard. Are you going historical or fantasy
>>97245952Both, since in the end all I need to switch between these two is adding a few monsters and maybe wizard or two.
>>97245384Nice. I was recently looking for 40k skirmish rules and Planet 28 came up. I like what I see and will have to give it a go soon. I'm the same Anon looking for wifegames. I bet I could get her to play this with me.
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>>97245384Planet 28 is a very nice game
>>97245384I asked for a chess or go board from my dad so that I'd be able to teach my son one of the games. Got a chessboard. Asked for an Olga Tokarczuk novel and I got two. Sadly there were no socks among the gifts
>>97250098I’ve read two of hers - empusion and drive your plough over the bones of the dead Both were really coolNo tg related presents this year except my wife and I gifted each other the lotr cooperative card game, looking forward to try it out
>>97250098>Olga Tokarczuk>>>reddit
>>97250235I watched the stage adaptation for empusion, it was a bit too artsy to me, but the extreme misogyny and supernatural elements reminded me of From Hell, a comic that I really enjoyed. I got books of Jacob and drive your plough over the bones of the dead.>>97250306I know she is an odious shitlib, but I am willing to give her books a shot. I'm not polish and my favourite polish author is still Sienkiewicz, loved The Trilogy.
>>97250472I mostly read old books, currently going through the world history series written by Carl Grimberg. I think the last time I read a book written by a woman was when I read Savitri Devi. Man she was crazy.
>>97249468Not enough lizardmen figures out there...
>>97245660You could try a bunch of the Ral Partha legacy stuff. If I remember rightly they are 1/68, which might be close enough to 1/72.
>>97245660zvezda are quite big for 1/72 and are close to true 25mm iirc
Based Perry Twins being Christian Merry Christmas Chads instead of happy holidays chuds. No wonder they are such a great miniature company
>>97253046Do you happen to have any zvezda vehicles like tanks or APCs?
>>97252968Good idea, heroes might be a big bigger anyway.>>97253046According to Plastic Soldier Review they are on average 24mm in height so yeah might work.
Anyone got PDFs of the Halo Flashpoint Defiance and War Games expansions? Toss me 'em plz ty
Since they're one of my favourite units both in terms of gameplay and lore, I can't fucking wait to get my hands on the Stalkers for the Starcraft Tabletop Game. They look amazing!I really hope the game is good, please be good T_T
>>97254547I hate the amount of clear plastic on the Protoss models. The jewels are fine, just prime over them, but I hope the shields are optional, so I don't have these large chunks of plastic I'd have to paint over obscuring the good parts.
>>97254587Shields are optional, they've confirmed that.
>>97254587>Retard learns you can simply not glue on the parts of a model you don't likeHow wonderous and full of discovery your life must be.
Making some 15mmNCR and Legion guys to use with modified OnePageRules
>>97254607That's good. I figured they would be, since they will be a different spree, but after assembling Malifaux kits, I don't how any plastic model is cut for granted.
>>97254643pretty fucking kino>t. Fallout Wasteland Warfare Legion player
>>97254547>>97217388WTF THIS IS A THING?! SINCE WHEN?! WHERE DO I BUY?!
>>97255029I think release is slated for beginning of 2026?
>>97255081OMG I need to look into this, I've wanted a Starcraft game for year
>>97254656>after assembling Malifaux kits, I don't how any plastic model is cut for granted.Heh. Most of their models come together like a dream, but there are some that... don't. Plus they do have weird issues like a box of 3 models of the same unit that come in 3 different "32mm" scales and styles.
Do you dislike the reuse of sculpts?
>>97255289Most of the time it's not a problem at all because the sculpt is the only thing I'm buying the model for in the first place. The old Future Wars sculpts have been passed around to what, three or four companies now?
>>97221443>warzone eternalEw why?
>>97245384Planet 28 is wargaming Kino, hope you have fun anon
>>97239212Left: Hugh Jackman WolverineRight: Henry Cavill Wolverine
>>97255516Because its sadly a good game that's going to die because of lack of promotion and marketing.
>>97254643>not mounting them on bottle capsYOU HAD ONE JOB
>>97249468You've reminded me that I have a shit load of lizardmen I need to paint up for my AD&D group. I should get on that tonight.,
>>97255594There's too much competitive orientated balance in the game, it doesn't have a Warzone bone in its body, the only thing that's Mutant Chronicles about it, is the models. I got a taste of the rules long before the game release and all I can say about it is that it's balanced. But Warzone isn't supposed to be balanced, it's meant to be broken.
>>97255896Yeah, I don't buy that. Being a balanced game isn't what's holding it back, its the fact that its a 20+ year old niche franchise that has been relying on literally 2 guys to develop and promote for the last few years. The only talk I have seen about it, other than the odd painting blog talking about the minis, has been one or two YT channels doing a video or two to show the game off and Facebook posts. It really needs a community ambassador to help show it off.
Drew up my map for 5 leagues after using a generator to get the initial landmass and landmarks. It's surprisingly fun. Haven't done something like this since I was a kid.Also we need to behead whoever came up with the captcha of the dots in squares. I keep forgetting I need to read the prompt.
>>97256068I've been meaning to give 5 Leagues a go. Seems up my alley. Unfortunately most of my larger terrain is with my dad still (he made a lot of it) so I'll need to put together some more unless I want every encounter to take place in a dungeon or campsite.
>>97254664Got more pictures of your FNV minis anon
>>97256325Yeah it's been cool so far. I need to get more experience with the combat though. It feels a bit weird with the 3 clash thing and basically everyone can die instantly if the roll is right. I think I prefer rangers of shadowdeep combat. I wonder if I could use the combat from that with the campaign mechanics from 5 leagues or if it would break everything. You'd need to redo every item, so might not work.
>>97255569How does it compare to Xenos rampant for example?
my dudes aware me on Konflikt 47i am worried it will be babbys first wargame like bolt actionlike "lame dudes hit on 6+, wound on 6+", "elite dudes hit on 4+, wound on 4+", very little difference between units and factions, few if any special rules, dumb tactics...
>>97255896>>97256041i believe both of you are right in a wayWZE is at its core a streamlined, competitive, balanced game with strict action economy etc.which will put off franchise/brand/lore fans who just will NOT see the gameplay and feeling from previous editions in itbut at the same time the swingy d20 system prevents it from being a proper competitive gameat the same time there is zero marketing and the game is dead on arrival i am afraidit takes the worst of both worlds i thinkif resnova are content with working on it every now and then then that is nice surebut the game will never take off beyond a couple dozen players around the worlddead on arrival yeah
>>97257815I haven't played konflikt '47, but i don't really see an issue with the rules you describe. A few broad unit profiles that can be flavoured with some special rules seem perfectly fine to me.
>>97255516I've collected every version of warzone even if I haven't played every ruleset, and I know it won't last too long before it goes out of business again so I best get me the minis I want now
>>97254656>>97255143I'm not sure anyone can fuck a plastic sprue like wyrd. those guys have a special gift for making the possible impossible.
>>97258187What exactly are you talking about? I've assembled like 70% of the entire M3e range for my group and most boxes were a sheer pleasure to put together.
>>97257886the issue is i prefer my wargames to be something more than "all guys are the same and one in ten gets a +1 to his d6"
>>97258208What wargames do you prefer then? I'm in the rules-light model-agnostic camp, so the rampant games are good enough for me. I feel like they offer a decent mix of command friction, differentiation between units and meaningful decisions to keep me playing them.
>>97258559the WZE discussed here is a decent enough example i guessor Dystopian Wars, despite its alpha strike and turn 1 wipesthey got varied playstyles, quite different units...
>>97243224Oh nice, I've only seen the polygonal og models from Quake, I gotta get that one and make one myself now
/awg/ magpies should know that Fantastic Scuffles is in this week's GoFile drop>>97258572
>>97254547I'm so hyped for this. First game in a long while I've looked forward to
>>97244245Dang, I just found out this is all available as a print-and-play. Gonna have to get some color ink in the printer.
>>97259250>all available as a print-and-playGot any sauce for everything together?
>>97257815Sounded okay if you like BA and want a bit of weird war but not toooooo much nazis. Also lmao do you need Rift dice for real? >You will need a Rift Die for each Rift Unit, plus each Rift Weapon upgrade in your army. Some Heroes are particularly attuned to the energies of the Rifts, and can bring several Rift Dice to the table singlehandedly!>This box contains 12 Konflikt ’47 Rift Dice.
>>97259470>weird war but not toooooo much nazisWhy though? Nazis are like THE pulp weird war villains!
>>97258204They've gotten better, the M3E plastics don't have as many weird little things to them as the older M2E kits did. There's still a few pain in the ass kits in production, like how the Oxfordian Mages have to be built outside inwards. And there's a reason Yan Lo's beard was a meme in the community.
>>97257815K47 is for babies. It's literally just Bolt Action but they bolted on some very tacky and out of place sci-fi shit that doesn't fit the setting at all, for the exclusive purpose of attracting a small crumb of money from the 40k crowd,.all the while being too cucked to depict actual WW2 Nazi shit
>>97259547we live in an age where people want to play cops and robbers but robbers are a hurtful stereotype and a bad influence so no one is allowed to play as them
>>97259547Depiction is endorsement.
>>97259547legit because they're trying again under different banners and no one wants to be associated with them until they're all dead or in hiding again.
>>97259931>legit because they're trying again under different banners and no one wants to be associated with them until they're all dead or in hiding again.Awfully antisemitic to say stuff like that, Anon!
>>97259559>They've gotten better, the M3E plastics don't have as many weird little things to them as the older M2E kits did.If you mean the original M1.5e plastics with all the bits including variants mixed on one sprue, yeah, I can see why people bitched about that.>There's still a few pain in the ass kits in production, like how the Oxfordian Mages have to be built outside inwards.Huh, I don't remember anything that bad about them. For me it was the entire old Misaki box (every model finicky in a different way), and Molly's little robot totem which was a ~35 piece asshole to build. Also Kaltgeists, if we're talking unintuitive piece placing.>And there's a reason Yan Lo's beard was a meme in the community.The meme is because the community is mostly retarded, Yan Lo's beard was trivial if you dry fit first and I'd gladly assemble 20 of them rather than build any of the models I mentioned above again.
>>97259587You forgot that cops are tools of systematic oppression and therefore verboten because >>97259705.>>97259931Anon, I know Warlord Games doesn't have the best reputation here, but that's kinda harsh.
>>97259931>they're trying again under different bannersAnon, are the Nazis in the room with us... right now?
>>97260324I am.
>>97260330MUH NAZIS!! BURN!!
>>97259931Hey, worked for the Bolsheviks)))
I can't fucking stand the majority of you.
>>97260444I mostly wanted to know what the deal is with what look like D2 that are 'required' to play a game and cost $2.49 buger bucks each. The insanity around depiction of nazis in contemporary social media infested hobby spaces is silly and worth a chuckle. Being able to laugh about things is important Neil.
>>97260475>'required' to play a game and cost $2.49 burger bucks eachThey saw GW peddling special Nucromunda dice that were just d6 tables in the old edition and decided they wanted in.
>>97259427https://cutandassemble. com/print-and-play-warhammer-quest#WHQFiles
>>97259931Where can I sign up?
>>97260603Thanks anon.
>>97260560I get the marketing and whaling. Was more perversely curious if they're >required and what they actually do. Because it mostly looks like a D6 with 2 things on it. Might have something inside it but can't really tell from the light and if they went into dice-inside-a-dice it would be retarded in a delightful way.
>>97262059I'm 100% certain they can be translated to plain d6. Any fancy gizmos would detract from their most important feature, profit.
>>97239212You too? I impulse bought these two spidergwens from a used bookstore couple days ago thinking I could just cut them off their bases and they'd fit in with 28mm but these bitches are making my other dudes look like wolverine. What am I supposed to do now just tribute them?
>>97262914Damn thats a nice samurai. From Clan Wars ?
>>97263729Legend of five rings crab clan I think. I was disappoint he slimmer than the other one I have though their armor is pretty similar, but that's wargaming for you.
>>97263909The other one must be proper Hida, they are basically space marines compared to normal humans.
>>97263917Well it's nice to know it intentional. When I eventually paint them they'll have to be laurel-san and hardy-kun, demon hunters.
>>97259022thanks, it seems interestingmight squeeze it in somewhere between brutality skirmish-sword weirdos-open combat
>>97263909>>97263729The slimmer one isn't from Clan War, he's one of the early miniatures for L5R (the card game/RPG side). See: https://www.nobleknight.com/P/2147421592/Hida-SukuneActual Clan War minis were closer to 30mm scale (like Zenit's stuff), but very robust. They only had two poses on the rank-and-file guys. Otherwise quite good models. If you keep a sharp eye out on auction sites you can still find minis quite cheaply, they were in active production from a guy who bought up the molds until just a few years ago. Shadowlands stuff is the real bitch, Zenit and - bizzarely - Ral Partha Europe are the only people with any undead samurai and bakemono/nezumi are basically impossible to find. Naga only got about half their releases before Clan War went under, as well. Reaper did some promotional stuff with the license in the late 1990s. I have a couple of them, you could get a promotional Emperor Toturi and pet bird for subscribing to Inquest, and a few things like one of the Geisha are still in the Reaper catalog to this day. They did some more recent runs of models for the RPG and Lootcrate that are... less cheap. Those guys have a white blister and L5R branding. ...Also, while I was researching who wound up with the rights to Valiant Miniatures' stuff, I discovered a company called "5th Field" who seem to be archiving a whole shitload of old moulds. Including a Kobold whore. I'm genuinely shocked it's from Jason Weibe instead of Klocke or Kev White
>>97259559>>97260294it wasn't just the 1.5 kits. there were a ton of 2e kits that had some combination of insane assembly, unbelievably fragile models, weird scaling (like justice and the viks being fucked up), or just way way more pieces cut than there needed to be. there were only a handful of cases where they weren't a strict downgrade from the metals, and that mostly in the bigger monsters.I'll grant that they've gotten better with time, but they don't get a pass for all that. It's not like they ever reimbursed anybody for all that trash.
>>97264562It's probably a question of different expectation then, the M2e minis actually convinced me to buy plastic and I actually found Wyrd's large models/monsters to be the worst of their plastics.
I got an FDM printer lately and now I'm livid because I realised how fucking awful Pajeet47's prints are. Even with a 0.4 nozzle you can print smooth surfaces with great detail as long as you go with the lowest layers possible. Scenery, tanks, scatter terrain - none of those have to look like carved wood if you are willing to use just a little bit more of material and wait for a bit longer as well. I won't even mention how much the quality improves with a 0.2 nozzle.
>>97264623I doubt jeet47fag's prints look THAT terrible in person, it's partially because the camera is picking up the layer lines far more than what you'd with naked eyes.
>>9726291428mm is way to small for them, 32mm kind of work but really end up on the really tall side. they are at a weird 40mm kind off.
>>97265367>>97262914but I suppose you could go for the big monsters and animals.they being big doesn't matter really
>>97262146Checks out, I was at least hoping it was something less blatantly retarded. That's an expensive d2.
Lads, tell me. I am looking for a new game.It boils down to Konflikt 47Marvel Crisis ProtocolStar Wars LegionK47 has some appeal in the weird war 2 setting. Seems like the easiest game to get into. But the Bolt Action base feels... super lame? Like a very generic wargame, you know, few special rules, few abilities, everyone is basically the same...MCP might be neat, I like the low model count and special abilities and narrative+game combo, but it feels like a very competitive, tryhard game that will make my brain explode. Also super expensive.SWL seems cool in that it does things differently to other games, but I am sort of worried it is very... "schematic" or "abstracted" for a lack of a better word? Like I am not playing on a proper battlefield, but basically sort of exchanging activations in a vacuum, like playing a card game, not moving soldier dudes to cover etc.Are my assumptions wrong? I am fairly experienced in other small-to-large skirmish level wargames though not the usual 40k "2000 points and 100 dudes" games.
>>97266443>Are my assumptions wrong?Not really. I guess you can make MCP way cheaper by printing or using other minis, the desogns are plentiful.
>>97253413I don't sadly, only ones in 15mm / 1/100
>>97266574Technically you can proxy any game
>>97266574Why would you play Marvelslop if you're not into Marvelslop specifically though? Are the rules amazing or what?
>>97266443>It boils down to >Normieslop 1>Normieslop™ 2>Normieslop™ 3
>>97266743Here's a secret: you can take a generic muscke guy, swap a head, add some claws, paint it yellow and black and call it Wolverine. Repeat with other heroes.
>>97266762Touch grass.
>>97266774
>>97266743>Why would you play Marvelslop if you're not into Marvelslop specifically though? Are the rules amazing or what?No I am saying there are probably thousands of prints for spiderman and wolverine and you might use heroscape I guess.
>>97266443I think you can use the k47 minis for other games more easily than the rest so that's a clear winner for me.
>>97266443>It boils down to >Slop>Slop>Slop
>>97266762>>97267511>Elitist bores shitting up my AWG.Hang.
>>97267678They're right. Play a good game instead of pop culture reddit shit
>>97259584>Bolt Action but they bolted on some very tacky and out of place sci-fi shit that doesn't fit the setting at allpsshh, yeah, wacky science stuff doesn't fit WW2 at all! What were they thinking???
Introducing a couple potential new players to gaming. They're interested in 40k lore but I'm obviously not going to 40k them. Thinking of making a demo game with my handful of sci-fi models, either in OPR quest or OPR firefight. I've played and enjoyed OPR Regiments but I've heard that's the best they ever did. Or I'm more than willing to pick an entirely different relatively light system. Used to do a lot of ASOBAH but I'm kind of sick of that ruleset.
>>97267678>muh elitismGo back.
>>97267722>>97267786There's literally nothing wrong with those games.
>>97267779Xenos Rampant might work if you want to get into a notably different ruleset than GW. Functional enough, fairly abstract but not so shrimplified like Advanced Spelling of Big Acronyms and Heroes.
>>97268539second this, XR very quickly because my favorite 40k-substitute game too. big improvement over previous rampant system games and much better than OPR or the like.
>>97266443You type like a redditor
So was there a good fantasy napoleon game?
>>97269396Silver Bayonet is the only one I know of and it's fun
>>97269396Turnip28 is a weird root vegetable Napoleonic wargame.
>>97267779If smaller scale is OK then I had success with Space Weirdos when introducing ppl to tabletop games
>>97267779>>97268539>>97268749Yeah, XR is a solid ruleset. However, units might start to feel a bit samey due to how similar their shooting profiles are.
>>97267722Have you considered that to play a game, you need people to play with? Nobody cares if you know the most perfect game, but nobody else is playing with you. You should be actually happy that people are playing anything but 40k in your area.
How does a co-op mech swarm survival game sound? So the idea is that you customize a mech, and fight off swarms of enemies with some larger kaiju boss battles mixed in?Or is there already something like that?
>>97271082There isn't something like this, but I'm actually in the middle of making a Helldivers rip off that follows a similar premise, except you're a squad of 4 dudes instead of a mech
>>97271385In the middle of playtesting it, okay so far, will maybe share when I get a bit further
>>97271082It sounds like a premise for a custom scenario not a whole system.
>>97271768Well it is a scenario in the system right now, still testing a couple more different ways of playing it
Happy New Year AWG
>>97274741Thank you. May your painting backlog be short and your player list long.
New thread>>97275454>>97275454See everyone next year.
