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Yu-Gi-Oh! General #591

"All i want for Christmas is for Dark Magician Girl to materialize in my bedroom so i can summon her in face down ass up position, have sex with her, and end my turn" Edition

Previous thread: >>97191908

Most Yu-Gi-Oh! discussion encouraged. Post OC, write dumb fanfics with bad CaC in them, duel each other, have fun, etc.

>Yu-Gi-Oh! Online Play
Automated Sims:
●EDOPro website: https://projectignis.github.io/download.html
●EDOPro: https://discord.gg/ygopro-percy
●YGO Omega: https://discord.gg/duelistsunite
●Dueling Nexus: https://duelingnexus.com/
●Master Duel: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1449850/YuGiOh_Master_Duel/
Manual Sims:
●DuelingBook: https://www.duelingbook.com/

>TCG Event Streaming
●NA: https://www.youtube.com/user/OfficialYuGiOhTCG
●EU: https://www.youtube.com/YuGiOhCardEU

>Alternative Formats
●Official: https://www.yugioh-card.com/en/play/alternate_format_tournaments/
●Time Wizard Formats Reference: https://www.formatlibrary.com/
●Genesys: https://www.yugioh-card.com/en/genesys/

>Useful Links
●Current Official Rulebook: https://img.yugioh-card.com/en/downloads/rulebook/SD_RuleBook_EN_10.pdf
●Wiki: https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Yugipedia
●Hypergeometric Probability Calculator: https://yugioh.party/
●Stock Market: https://yugiohprices.com/
●Database: https://www.db.yugioh-card.com/
●For boomers: https://www.pojo.biz/board/forumdisplay.php?f=10

>Decklists
●OCG: https://roadoftheking.com
●TCG: https://ygoprodeck.com/

>News Sites
●OCG: https://yugioh-starlight.com/
●TCG: https://ygorganization.com/

>Upcoming Releases
OCG:
●THE CHRONICLES DECK: Spirit Charmers (All-Foil Edition) (Jan 24)
●Blazing Dominion (Jan 24)
●Chaos Origins (April 25)

TCG:
●THE CHRONICLES DECK: Spirit Charmers (All-Foil Edition) (Jan 22)
●Burst Protocol (February 5)
●Maze of Muertos (February 19)

>TQ: What is the single biggest purchase you've made?
>TCaC: Take any normal fusion/ritual monster and base a new archetype around it.
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Ban Fuwalos.
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starlights feel more stable and solid than even non-foil cards
shame they look like shit and barely show through sleeves
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>>97236768
I don't like the rarity, it has a weird engraving and you can't see the art through a sleeve, just as you said, plus they're thief magnets if your lgs is in a shitty part of town (read: all of jew york).

This is why i prefer prismatic secret rares, they look better than normal secrets AND they tend to be cheaper and/or looked down upon because they're "reprint" rarities ie for poorfags, so jamal/pablo won't culturally enrich them.
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>>97236634
>TQ
I bought a box of Crossover Breakers, a Dragon Shield plastic deckbox and a bunch of sleeves, with the intention of playing either Maliss or Ryzeal and ended up playing neither of those decks.

>TCaC
There's more than a few of these monsters with odd ATK/DEF stats and I'm fairly positive that Konami can retrain these into a control archetype that does stat manipulation OR getting rid of monsters that don't share their weird stats.
They'd fit in perfectly with the Illusion typing but I'm afraid that they'd just get piled with Chimera and Hecahands into an Illusion Fusion Slop deck.
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>>97236634
In a DARK possessed Joey deck that retypes most of the monsters as DARK Pyros (e.g Rocket Destroyer, Gearfried the Searing Knight) or DARK Beast-Warriors (E.G SwordImp of Landstar and Sharkman Fisherman) what type should the evil Gilford be? Physical changes are allowed for the theme. Should he go with the main 2? Have a new type to make him standout as an evil boss? Or should he just be dark warrior? My front runners are Pyro, Zombie, Thunder, and Fiend.
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chat what the fuck did he mean by that
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>TCaC: Take any normal fusion/ritual monster and base a new archetype around it.
Guardian Crab Turtle
>[Level 8/Aqua/WATER/Ritual]
>[ATK 2850/DEF 3500]
You can Ritual Summon this card with any "Turtle" Ritual Spell. If this card is Ritual Summoned: You can add 2 cards that mention "Crab Turtle" from your Deck or GY to your hand. Apply the following effect, based on this card's battle position.
● Attack Position: When this card or a monster adjacent to it battles an opponent's monster, inflict piercing battle damage
● Defense Position: This card, and any adjacent monsters to it, are unaffected by your opponent's card effects.
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I now have 40 playable cards inside sleeves and when I hold them I feel like a giddy kid as I wait to see when the next time it is I don't work on a locals day
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>>97236634
How does it celebrate the birth of Christ?
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>>97237315
Kino.
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>>97237706
it'll be celebrating a conception thats for sure
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>>97236634
>TQ: What is the single biggest purchase you've made?
~$80 for one of the 25th Anniversary Monsters (Magicians of Bond and Unity, etc.), don't remember which one it was.
>TCaC: Take any normal fusion/ritual monster and base a new archetype around it.
Musician King -> Make a band archetype that becomes more powerful the more band members are on the field. Each has a special ability while on the field (ex. drummer adds protection from targeting, bass player prevents opponents monsters from attacking other band members, etc.). There's also a field spell that can get upgraded that also grants the archetype benefits: club stage -> auditorium stage -> stadium stage, etc.
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Have been out of YGO for some time and looking to get back into it casually (just playing at locals for fun). How does this pile look?
https://ygoprodeck.com/deck/cubics-676262
No sidedeck as I have no clue what my local meta-game is like, ut happy to take suggestions for the big decks (mitsu/dracotail etc)
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>>97238363
Would particularly like suggestions for my extra deck. I want to emphasise Fusion monsters over links, as I am running 3 Super Polys
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>>97238363
Cubics are pretty bad even for casual play at locals, so i'd go for blue-eyes instead, it's actually a pretty good product since it gives you a competent deck and a ton of staples to ease you into the game. It's a synchro deck however.
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>>97238515
>play BEWD instead
I actually have been. Got back in a few months ago via the new structure deck. I upgraded it with the Primite engine, just missing the Purges. I play that at locals presently, but wanted something a bit more fun and off-meta.
>cubics are bad
Yes. I want to try and make the strongest deck I can, but it is an uphill battle. I have considered Fiendslop and White Forest as alternative engines. The deck is decent on Master Duel but most of the players on there aren't as good as the dudes at my LGS, and Closed Heaven is legal on that platform. Haven't tried White Forest yet, but probably will when I can save up some duelbucks
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>>97238622
The average MD player is likely legally retarded like you observed. I'd suggest picking up a White Forest+Azamina+Diabel core in person so you can better practice playing a non-linear deck against more competent opponents trying to interact with you to build better sequencing habits.
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>>97237935
He'll likely get a retrain whenever metalmorph gets more support. He's the only monster with a metal form that didn't get a new version.
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>>97238622
>>97238641
The problem with WF is that its weak to the same shit as Dracotail so anyone competitive already has answers ready whether that's in their side or main in the case of MD.
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>>97238515
Also, I feel pretty awful for not playing Vijam in a Cubes deck but he just seems way too slow to have any meaningful impact on the current game.
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>>97238683
Its a shame he can only SS himself from the backrow if he was placed there by his own effect. Otherwise you could just throw in a Millennium package and use him as a free body.
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Some things I think would be cool for Chemicritters:
>A Methane Themed Poly-Chemicrtter (CH4)
>A Nitrogen Chemicritter
>Three Nitrogen Molecule Poly-Chemicritters (NO2, NH3, CN3)
>Three Vola-Chemicritters that use Nitrogen in the Molecule they're referencing (CH3NH2, HNO3, CN4O2)
>One Bigger Xyz that uses the Vola-Chemicritters as Materiels
The Attributes would be as follows:
>Nitrogen Chemicritter: EARTH
>Poly-Chemicritters: LIGHT, FIRE, WIND, EARTH
>Vola-Chemicrtters: WATER, WIND, EARTH
>Bigger Xyz: LIGHT
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>super autistic about the condition of my cards
>makes the tips of my fingers sweat when dealing with them raw in a horrible feedback loop
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>>97238515
>i'd go for blue-eyes instead
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>>97238363
Rather than trying to force you off the deck I'll engage with the list at hand to let you play it.
I don't entirely understand why you have so many extenders, is it just for underworld goddess in case you see a towers? Why not just play kaijus main.
I'd keep droplet, LSs (move raigeki/HFD to a LS), and the handtraps but the other going 2nd cards seem extra and suited as sideboard cards. Like you dont know if superpoly is going to work so it's better off being sided in over removal for games 2 and 3.
ED is mostly superfluous removal options so no notes there.
I know you want to send their S/Ts but I think trying to "bury the bricks" with so many discard outlet cards is maybe a bit too risky.
If you do want to commit to that though, maybe conaider cynet mining as an outlet and extender for link material.
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>>97238989
>>A Methane Themed Poly-Chemicrtter (CH4)
>Farts
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What deck do I play if I want my opponent to have fun?
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>>97240947
Play the most dogwater shit deck imaginable. Your opponent gets to beat you into a pulp regardless of what they play and you get to feel an unwarranted sense of self-assured smugness that you're unique and creative in between bouts of seething about your opponent being a metasheep (actually playing a tiered deck is optional).
This is the optimal way to enjoy yugioh.
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>>97240947
Depends on your opponent. If your opponent is a meta andy then you'd either want to be running a meta deck or something that has a good enough matchup against their deck to check it, but not dominate it.

If your opponent's on a dogwater deck, you run a dogwater deck.
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pots or a super poly package for odion? i don't think breakers are good because you want to go first but maybe
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>>97242890
Superpoly so you don't get completely raped by Yummy or Mitsurugi.
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Kinda feel like collecting some of the old sets that give me the most nostalgia (Legacy of Darkness to Invasion of Chaos). There were a lot of cards in those sets I used to fawn over but never got because mumsy wumsy didn't buy cards for me
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What attracts blacks to Yu-Gi-Oh? Serious question.
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>Pooasys
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>>97236634
off topic but does anyone recognize the background music? I swear i've heard it before but I have no idea where
https://youtu.be/-zD-Y8lm8wk?si=FnUdr2PnYLGBXikx&t=287
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>>97243773
only card game with hype moments and aura
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>>97244053
Literally the main character's theme sis.
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>>97244280
thanks queen <3
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>>97243773
Any of the reasons people enjoy shonen stuff because they're dudes all the same as anyone else. Trying to find a specific reason is basically texas sharpshooter.
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>>97243773
You want the real answer? Because Yugioh aired on public broadcast in the States and few black homes had cable TV in the early 2000s.
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>>97243773
tea's massive white bitties
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>>97243773
Back in the day, booster packs were easy to shoplift
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>>97243773
>blacks like anime
>atem is a pharaoh (WE WUZ KANGZ N' SHIET)
>the game is actually easy to learn ie even a hood nigger can have fun with it
>the only other thing blacks love more than anime is sneakers, and the franchise has done a lot of collabs with iirc nike
>blacks also love shiny things (like gold chains), so all the special rarities in this game catch their eyes
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>>97243773
Short answer is that it's generational.

Long answer is that back in the early 2000s, you could get Channel 4 for free as long as you had an antenna for your TV. Everyone was watching KidsWB, including a lot of inner-city black kids. As an inner-city black parent, you have the choices between buying pokemon shit to keep your kid out of trouble, buying yugioh shit to keep your kids out of trouble, or letting them roam the streets and potentially get wrapped up in gang shit.

So, black kids get into yugioh at a young age. Then they teach their younger siblings how to play the game. Then they reach unc status and teach their nieces and nephews how to play the game. And it gradually gets passed along through that. It helps a lot that the series is flooded with evil demons and sexy women, too.
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>>97244651
This is 100% the reason I got into it
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What's the point of having a 1x des frog in this list?https://www.tcgplayer.com/content/yugioh/deck/HERO-Frog/508370
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>>97245781
Letting Substitoads out Thunder King Rai-oh I guess.
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>>97243773
Yugioh is the fighting game of TCGs.
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>>97245405
>the game is actually easy to learn ie even a hood nigger can have fun with it
no it isn't.
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Can Frogs work in Advanced?
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>>97247169
No. Ronintoadin was the thing that made them work, and that's banned. Even then, it would only very specifically work in Spright and nothing else, where people get by just fine using a small Nimble engine in its place.
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>>97243773
because this game is completely braindead and the only thing required to play is memorization and spreadsheets. reminder that chimps have better memory than human and intelligence and memory is inversely correlated.


inb4 the yugicopers trying to pretend this game is complex, when the only complex part is the arbitrary rule system new players find it hard to learn the rules, their not making strategic level mistakes.
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>>97246864
it is,
yugioh is the midwits tcg.
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>>97247218
>intelligence and memory is inversely correlated
Are they actually?
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>>97247308
yes other hominids have vastly superior memory to us humans, in fact one of the reasons why we evolved intelligence in the first place was due to us having to deal with having shorter memories, this was a pretty common theory although nowadays more research is needed.

i remember a study done on sub 80 iq criminals who have been recorded to have pretty recent memory being able to recall events in their childhood that most people wouldn't even have an inkling from.

also people with higher memory have a higher likelihood to have Aphantasia or the inability to have an inner monologue, or as politically correct to say, was that high memory was a benefit of aphantasia , although personally think this is the other way around.
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why does every single thread on this website devolve into polfags having schizoid meltdowns
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>97247443
"Everything is political and must be critiqued" (you), 15 years ago when you thought the shoe would never be on the other foot, probably.
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>>97247331
Do you have any actual sources to site?
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>>97247218
>chimps have better memory than humans
Huge if true
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>>97247222
What is the intellectual's TCG then?
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>>97247866
He won't answer you because he's just seething that he got filtered by YGO.
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https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/139141655
Diabellestarr cowgirl sex
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>>97248920
>nipples aren't greenish
lame
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If you're not running the Sifr + Crimson Dragon package, what is the optimal endboard for current Blue Eyes?
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>>97247921
yeah filtered by being too easy and too reliant on open hand's rng lmao,

if I asked you why you don't play checkers all day what would you reply? that you got filtered? or due to the games boring and low complexity and repetitive gameplay
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>>97251054
>Complaining about opening hand rng in a trading card game
You don't belong here
>Complaining about opening hand rng in Yugioh, a game that is infamous for having enough searchers that the opening hand is more of a suggestion
You didn't play the game.
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>>97250263
double spirit dragon, shotgun the first if you want, but keep one of them at all times until you negate that card in GY, then you just tag him out for moonlight or lightstorm
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>>97251054
Thanks for outing yourself proving anon right.
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>>97250263
not playing sifr in Blue Eyes is insane, it's the only good thing about the archetype and costs like a nickel
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>>97251427
iirc note that Ultimate Spirit Dragon negate is a hard once per turn and doesn't work if you get two out simultaneously
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>>97251866
Most of the time you're not getting to that end board, so you're better off just running more utility. It is a control deck built for the grind. Using 2 Extra Deck slots for a monster you're unlikely to ever reasonably summon is not great. Sure, if you don't get hand-trapped and can end on Sifr + Spirit + Drillbeam you're unlikely to lose, but in my experience that only happens 1 duel out of 15. I'd rather just end on something more reliable and use those slots for S:P + Ty-Phoon. I've even been testing Secretarion Dragon.
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>>97251952
>>97251888
>>97251866
The good thing about Sifr is that it protects your True Light.
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>>97251952
Plus, if you don't make Sifr on your first turn you probably aren't making it the rest of the duel.
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What I would like to know about Blue Eyes: how does it effectively play around Nib?
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>>97251888
Spirit dragon is the level 9, ultimate spirit dragon is the level 12.
>>97251952
If he's not running sifr, he's obviously not running primite either, so yes he's probably going for double BE spirit dragon all the time, the deck has no grindgame without beryl and lode's recursion.

Not sure why he's not running sifr (and thus crimson + blazar + rumble) if he's playing "pure", you can get those 4 cards for less than $5 and they dramatically raise the ceiling of the deck.
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>>97252340
They don't. Nib fucks BE.
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>>97252610
Most lists I am looking at on ygometa do not run Sifr/Crimson. It really is just overkill. What about the Primite package makes Sifr a must-play? If you've got the Drillbeam engine online going first, it is pretty difficult for your opponent to end the game on their first turn (even if you just have the primite engine and a few hand traps, your lure still passing turn with Drillbeam + Seal + whatever hand traps you opened, which is not amazing but also not an auto-lose first-turn)
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>>97252878
Literally every BE deck that has topped runs both the primite cards AND the crimson dragon package. However, if he's not running the primite cards (i assume he's using 2-3 neo kaiser and bingo machine?), and he's also NOT running the crimson dragon package, then what is the payoff of the deck? Just double spirit (that tags out into ultimate spirit and moonlight/lightstorm) or spirit + seals? Brick-eyes gets raped by nibiru either way, might as well go for the giga board that crimson dragon facilitates.

A budget list (no primite) always wants the crimson dragon engine, because its most minimal endboard is bad compared to a primite one, drillbeam does make all the difference. I'm genuinely not sure what exactly is stopping him from running it, because all the cards got reprinted this year, meaning they're cheap. Sifr is the most expensive and it costs about 3 burgers.
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>>97252899
>not running the primite cards and he's also NOT running the crimson dragon package, then what is the payoff of the deck?
Magia obviously.
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>>97236661
I don't get why reddit and pro-trads support those cards. No, faggots they shouldn't resolve more
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I haven't bought sealed product in like a decade, its not functional for draft, not functional for new players and largely wasteful.
So tell me why this game hasnt adopted the LCG model yet? It would be better for competition, sets would retain more value longer and there wouldnt be nearly ss much cardboard clutter.
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>>97253339
>I haven't purchased product in a decade
>Product is still successful and operating after an entire decade of me not buying said product
>"Why haven't they switched to a different model?"
Well gee shitlock, it's a mystery to everyone. Maybe they just hate money?
Do yourself a favor and think about the things you write before you post them.
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>>97253339
What the fuck is LCG?
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>>97247866
Doing literally anything else.
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>>97253499
I won't bore you with the wall of text history, LCG basically means "fixed rarity products" at this point anyway.
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>>97247921
I was hoping he'd at least give a cool answer like Duel Masters or Wixoss or something
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>>97253389
>still sucessful
>boxes selling for 30 bucks
You sure about that?
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>>97253573
>cool
>Duel Masters or Wixoss
The only good TCG is YGO because it doesn't have an arbitrary resource system that limits your plays
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>>97253499
An lcg sells packs where you get 3x of every card in a set. Generally the chaff gets cut.
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>>97253597
Yeah well not necessarily true, they did a lot of shitty distribution things with L5R when I was playing it, because basically they have the luxury in the LCG model to get rid of the whole idea of a "set" as in TCGs. There were expansion packs with like 1 useful card buried within a clan's pack nobody would play, so that card alone was already 10-20 bucks and you ended up with stuff you are not interested in. Good luck getting rid of them since nobody was trading/selling singles at all. In the Arkham Horror core set they also had single copy cards before the revised edition arrived. Let's just say that the LCG model sounds too good to be true, so it usually is.
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>>97253587
Games are about limitations.
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>>97253499
Tactical Try Decks plus tech sold as a single product
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>>97253573
They're good games, but very simple ones in comparison to YGO. He knows this would've outed him further so he didn't respond.
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>>97253580
Why yes I am, thank you for asking. All of their profits come when products are new, then they tank in prices when the reprints come. It's been this way for over a decade, and is one of the things that this game has going for it over others since most players that want to participate can do it when their wallets are comfortable with the purchases.

The fact that you're looking at sets retaining their value leads me to believe that you're a stinking investerino RAT that wants to treat the game like the stock market. Go to hell you disgusting freak. You don't belong here.
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>>97255144
>retaining value
Yeah heres the thing
2 of the 3 lgs in my area no longer support yugioh specifically for that reason
Suck a dick
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>>97255283
The root cause of that was Konami releasing absolutely horrible sets that didn't sell in the first place, because stores were obligated to purchase those known-stinker sets if they didn't want to get cut off. Blazing Vortex is the first one that immediately comes to mind with that. And LCG model wouldn't change that. The value of those types of sets immediately nosedives after the first few months being in circulation, and then stores are left with a bunch of bricks that they can't even reliably unload on the merit of containing chase cards or some schmucks wanting to have a laugh opening Duels from the Deep packs for 20 bucks.

For the record, we've already observed this in the form of Speed Duel boxes. That product line DID follow the LCG model, and it sold so poorly that they quietly discontinued it. You can say that it's because that was a special format, but Structure Decks generally follow the same rules.
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Give me OCG boxes
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>>97252899
>literally every BE that topped runs the Sifr package
Blatantly false.
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>>97255381
I didn't think blazing vortex would be that bad, but i just checked the card list and holy shit, there's no way KONMAI didn't know it'd be a dud set. Or rather, they knew, and that's why they threw pot of prosperity and underworld goddess here as well.
>springans, s-force, thunder dragon and fucking war rock
>support for a bunch of literally who decks
>materiactor (a pretty decent engine for goblin biker nowadays, but they gave it 3 cards and then nothing for nearly 5 years)
Every store that stocked up on this product was absolutely forced to sell at a legitimate loss, we're talking buying boxes for $35-ish and selling for $10 less. Cracking open the boxes to sell the few valuable cards in them would be more profitable.
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>>97255381
>LCG model wouldn't change that
Name an lcg with a thriving secondary market. i dare you
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>>97256589
I'll play devil's advocate. There was a collective delusion amongst the playerbase that War Rock would be meta for some reason.
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>>97243773
because of the anime
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>>97256636
True. My LGS orders a single box of each set nowadays, despite having a couple of dozen dudes each week at locals.
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>>97256589
Yeah but you could pull a crystal meth rare from the set. Big collectors item.
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>>97257008
Just looked it up, it was LIOV actually. My bad.
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>>97257122
?
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>le dice roll game
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>>97257764
TLDR a few years ago someone was caught smuggling meth by repacking it into packs of LIOV.
BLVO was the set prior to that which is maybe why they thought it was that one.
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>players ask for a deck list
>players ask for all the combos
>players complain about the format
This strikes me as strange coming from mtg
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>>97256953
Im so jealous, I gotta drive like 40 min to find a store that gets any kind of attendance despite being in a major metropolitan area
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>>97259285
>players ask for a deck list
>players ask for all the combos
I feel like these are very normal things to see in any TCG. Did you exclusively play limited so it's odd to see?
>players complain about the format
This for sure is not exclusive to any one game and especially from MTG. If you mean format as in playstyle there's the cards-designed-for-commander in all other formats issues, if you mean format as in time period the recent one is izzet meta in standard again. Not a dig at the game and just making a point that people have things to complain about.
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>>97236634
Guys. Why do I feel that I much more competent in some older formats than I am in Master Duel? I have topped in multiple tournaments, but in MD I have troubles getting out of Diamond Rank but everyone says it´s pretty easy to reach Master.
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>>97259486
>I feel like these are very normal things to see in any TCG
I want to preface my response with two things, first mtg requires significantly less deck knowledge for success and second I think yugioh is the superior game at the moment
That being said yugioh players seem to have a fundamental lack of curiosity.
Like people dont build their own decks, they dont even figure out what the deck does on their own then if they dont win they throw their hands up and blame the deck
Maybe its a problem local to me but that shit would get you laughed out of an fnm.
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>>97260406
>That being said yugioh players seem to have a fundamental lack of curiosity.
That's a phenomenon you'll notice the more closely a player follows the meta, and in particular with this meta since the answers are either to splash in Fiendsmith (old) or Mitsurugi (new). Untiered decks and slightly older meta (as far back as 2021 but also as nearby as pre-Fiendsmith Snake-Eye meta) were more matchup-dependent, where you could feasibly lab out a course of action for most competent decks to contend with whatever was topping the charts. Nowadays you'll just get people asking how A deals with Mitsurugi, or what card to hit in those engines with X Y or Z forms of generic interruption.

Obviously it's a bit of an over-simplification. But the meta does not inspire creativity after someone else solves it, and most people have their eyes on the meta.
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>>97260291
Either because those formats are in a solved state or populated by people that went to them explicitly because they're easier than the current format, while the current format is volatile and Master Duel is populated by people that constantly interact with it.
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>>97260696
The formats I frequent are not solved. The main one I play is 1103, in that format there is a total of 8 decks that can be seen as the meta, all of them pretty powerful but there is no clear deck that can be considered better than the others. Deckbuilding still have room for development.
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>>97261057
me irl
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Is YGO still the second most popular TCG in Japan (behind Pokemon)?
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>>97261153
Yes but only because Bushiroad doesn't consolidate all of their players into one game.
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>>97260291
Most older formats have significantly less skill expression than standard but if you mention this around Edison players they'll seethe for weeks.
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>>97260859
Then it's the latter case.
>Format isn't solved
>Meta is exactly 8 decks
I'm going to say that this is close enough to be the former though.
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>>97261702
It should be noted that out of those 8 decks most of them have variants. Gadgets has a T.G. variant and a Machina variant, The Agent has a pure variant and a T.G. Variant. Decks that make use of the Plant Engine (Lonefire/Bulb/Spore/Dandy) have multiple variants from Junkdoppel to Lightsworn Plants and Dark Plants, HERO Beat can be played with either Thunder King Rai-Oh as the focus or maxing out Bubblemans to perform quick XYZ plays. Six Samurai has a variant that abuse Ascetism or one that is a better suited for longer games that capitalizes on Yaichi and Hand. Dark World can be played with a focus on draw spells to use Virus and win from the advantage they provide or another one that is more appropiate for grind games.
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>>97261897
Mm. I don't interact with the format so I was mostly saying that as an outsider looking in. That does mean that it's just the fact that the game was more simplified in that state and most of the people going there are almost certainly looking for an easier experience. Master Duel and the current format on the other hand will change with every new release, and most of the people touching it will be adapting with every new release.
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>>97262116
Maybe what I truly lack is deep knowledge regarding the decks I play against in Master Duel and how to sequence properly against them. In that older format I´m certainly more familiar with the intention of each deck and how the matchups go.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Q0JJENA7E&t=0
>being this buttblasted about fucking Nibiru
lmao
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>>97262640
I don't think it is Nib himself that he is saying is the problem. Its that Konami's solution to combat comboslop is to print 1 card answers to comboslop. Then they need to sell cards, so they print decks that get around said 1 card comboslop and the cycle begins anew.
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Dubs decides what Genesys deck core I buy.
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>>97262670
Dank Magician
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>>97262640
>2 hour videoslop

>>97262667
The solution is clearly to embrace the comboslop and make it so both players combo on both player's turns so both players are continually "playing" and not sitting around once they blow their hand traps. The only issue is it requires Konami to make multiple archetypes that can do this all at once and hope everything doesn't explode. I think they'd rather just continue slowly creep towards it than dive in.
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Why is everything "slop"
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>>97262640
i'm not clicking that but nibiru is a floodgate and should be banned
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Way of the world innit
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>>97262640
The smugness in this guys voice when he is "sticking it to Konami" is unreal
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>>97262758
People call decks "Slop" when they are all about long and convoluted combo sequences mixing multiples engines that happen to have synergy together rather than all coming from a same archetype or archetypes formally related. For instance, White Forest is cannot be considered slop despite playing a fair amount of Azamina, Sinful Spoils and Diabell cards because those cards are all part of the same lore.
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>>97262758
anything I dont like is ____
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>>97262815
This
>>97262793
Not this
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>>97262815
Truke.
>>97262782
Your extenders? Your floating effects? Don't tell me you're playing a 2018 deck with none of those anon.
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Going to locals for the first time ever bros (played about a hundred hours of MD)
Advice?
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>>97260859
https://note.com/handshuffling/n/n18857c8600a1
Found the article you got that image from, fairly interesting stuff
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>>97263946
>Dino rabbit
Take me back bros
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>part of a ygo auction facebook group
>people shit their pants when anybody posts anything meta relevant and begin bidding wars that often far exceed the cards value
Why are people so retarded?
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>>97263975
For me it's Machina Gadget, always the coolest shit
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>>97262190
If you don't typically interact with modern decks then I'd consider looking for a community that plays TOSS format, or if possible, Branded/DIFO format. Those are ~2019 and ~2021 respectively, where TOSS is dominated by 4 decks while Branded/DIFO has a better spread. Only problem with TOSS is that it falls under Master Rule 4's restrictions, so a lot of communities that run it will also have those restrictions (they are not good and force you to use link monsters if you want to touch your extra deck).

Anyway, Branded/DIFO is a good halfway point since it has some of the old design philosophies in motion while moving towards newer design choices, and TOSS is alright if you want a solved meta to help break the ice for you.
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>>97262758
Because that's what we're being given and creating at this point. An amalgamation of things put together with various other things to make what resembles something cohesive but has little care put into it and is basically haphazard.
In terms of decks we used to call them "piles" IE spellcaster pile. Language evolves and a term to describe such conditions now exists so the term is used for it IE spellcaster slop.
The term can also refer to the input/new cards because they are equally haphazardly designed with a lack of consideration of how they'll interact with the rest of the game with a lack of restriction such as an archetype, type, or attribute lock.
Sure it can be cool but at some point it homogenizes things.

Ironically the term slop is also technically subject to being slop. Because there's no real limit to it's application it can be used wherever and on whatever. Homogenizing language and replacing many exclusive adjectives.
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>>97264802
*Descriptors, not adjectives.
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https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/139274293
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>>97264802
Awful post on so many levels
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>>97262758
Quality is no longer a huge concern. Every action is tracked on a graph somewhere and as long as that graph keeps going in the direction it is supposed to every other factor is discarded.
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>>97264036
Speaking about Machina Gadget. This deck has managed to get top 2 in the last tournaments made on a Discord community, both of those tops were using the same list. I believe there is room for improvement for sure, this version of the deck has a clear weak point to Bottomless and Battle Traps unlike the T.G. Variant. If this downside could be solved, the deck would perform better. I also believe the Side deck also has room for development.
Triple Solidarity are there to attempt to solve the other problem of the deck that is Gadgets being too easy to subdue due to their low stats, in theory this helps them but in the practice it´s not an amazing card in certain matchups and clearly doesn´t help to patch the weak point of the Machina part of the deck.
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>>97264949
>hagslop
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>>97265793
I honk for both hags and cunny
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>>97263919
Play fast and remember it's both player's responsibility to maintain a legal gamestate.
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Being a new player is already hard enough.
Would it kill them to at least fix their fucking store locator?
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>>97266745
I just use google maps and then check their own website at this point.
My anecdote on the matter is that I go to a store that's an OTS but doesn't appear on the official map and they said that it's quite hard to get in contact with support to update info, I do take this with a grain of salt though considering the owner is also a lazy fuck and it's been over a year since they achieved that OTS status.
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>watching recent YCS
>player going 2nd activates fuwalos
>raucous applause from the audience
>opponent responds woth Ash Blossom
>crowd losing their minds, erupting in applause
Wtf is wrong with modern ygo
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>>97267787
It's a bit. People aren't actually thrilled by it.
>play the turn skip
>ooo wow real skill being shown off today
>play the counter to the turn skip
>OOO guess who just got outskilled
You should go make some friends that aren't buzzkills and can take the piss out of each other. This will make sense then.
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>>97267894
>its a bit
Anon...
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>>97267787
Sometimes you get em and sometimes you get got
its fun to watch other people get got
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>>97262743
>The solution is clearly to embrace the comboslop and make it so both players combo on both player's turn
the game being only one archetype is retarded
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>>97268794
Mtg poser lmao
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>>97262640
his bit about people holding contempt for archetypes more than the cards they can abuse is pretty cathartic
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK8YUKH922A
This has got to be the most delusional Farfa video I have ever seen and why nobody fucking plays paper anymore.
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>>97268849
I am struggling to think of many other recent archetypes that can abuse disliked lingering floodgates except for Maliss and Fissure/Cosmos etc etc
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>play master duel solo missions
>aw this karakura deck is sick
>completely unplayable in any format
>aw ok
>aw this digital bugs deck is sick
>completely unplayable in any format
its like they wanted me to know how cool this game could have been but isnt.
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>>97269448
Fish
For all their worth charmers and spellcaster soup can be played under most floodgates, and enjoy most floodgates.
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>>97269592
>karakura
>this game could have been
Karakuri is a deck that was playable around its release...in 2010-11. About 8/9 years into the TCG's lifespan.

We are currently in year 24 of the TCG.
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>>97269448
Ritual Beasts played several of the most hated ones in addition to being an incredibly slow combo deck. Shifter, Protos, Colossus, Skill Drain, Bagooska, etc.
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>"Normal summon Robina"
What drives people to this
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>>97270268
Floo is based once you remove Feather Storm, Shifter, DBarrier, and Lose One Turn from the equation.
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>>97270273
*DFissure
Why do so many faggot floodgates have with Dimension in them?
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>>97270285
Because Dimension = Banish and you hate banish since nearly every deck for the last decade uses the gy as a 2nd hand.
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>le gy is le 2nd hand
Name a more reddit statement
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>>97262640
Kek what a sperg, guy's in his early twenties at best and believes he's already got the entire wisdom of the world figured out jfc
>le "systematic level" of a corporate product that is a children's card game
lmao give me a break
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>>97269592
There are three guys working at Konami right now.
>One made Ishizu Tear
>One made War rocks
>One made all the other tier 2-3 decks like Karakuri and a lot of the legacy support they get
Konami only cares about the first two for some reason.
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>>97270615
Its a magicism not a redditsm
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>>97270084
Why expose me, a new player, to something kino only to tell me I can't reasonably play it
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I haven't touched Yu-Gi-Oh since school playground days (though I have passively kept up with the game so I'm not entirely clueless).
I just learned there's an Alice inspired archetype.
I'm autistic and Alice is one of my special interests.
Is the deck still viable?
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>>97271153
Sadly, yes. But it's going to be hit next banlist, imo
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>>97271377
I should get in while I can then.
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>>97247169
You can probably still copium with spright but its powercrept pretty badly at this point.
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>>97271153
Vaguely but you're not gonna be able to create a full deck around it anymore, you'll have to dive into cyberse soup and it'll ruin the aesthetic you're going for.
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>>97271042
Because Master Duel is schizophrenically designed. Sorry anon.
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>>97272004
You could but next list is expected in mid January to be transparent.
It's not too expensive right now reguardless, most you'll be out is like $20-30 for the core iirc.
Pro tip: TCGplayer(us)/cardmarket(eu) is the place to buy singles, they have multiple prints with one being a base version and another is a higher rarity for collectors so you'll see $2 vs $60. Just ask if you want any other advice on actually buying.
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>>97236634

what's the hottest duel monster?
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>>97271153
March Hares are the pricey part, but you'll also need 3 Backup @Ignisters as well as the deck inevitably turns more into a generic cyberse pile with the next banlist.
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>>97272279
Infernal Flame Emperor?
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>>97271042
Because those solo gates give you free cards on theme for the deck and it would be problematic to give out good cards for free, this is why almost every single solo gate is about an unplayable garbage deck.
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>>97272279
Burstinatrix
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>>97265269
lol faggot
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Ultimate Rare Dreaming Nemleria
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Do you think Konami is going to keep going with turn 0 plays or will they hit the brakes soon and try something else?
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>>97273801
Turn -1 plays.
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>>97273825
Can't wait for the next category of extra deck monsters to be cards that automatically summon themselves to a new special zone at the start of the game like you're playing Commander.
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>>97273596
ultimate cutie
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>>97273876
>commanders
Nah, laylines are a better example of "in play at the start of the game".
MTG has had leylines for decades. I'm surprised the design hasn't been stolen yet.
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>>97274110
I was thinking Oshis from hocg
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>>97271042
The entirety of Solo Mode is functionally a very extended tutorial of how the game plays, mixed with a bit of free gems and lore to get people bought into the game to play it. As such, they take a bunch of old strategies to get you used to varying PSCT.
With Karakuri being an old deck with a decent number of combos, it fills the role of teaching that feeling early.
Also >>97272145.
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>draw no hand traps going second
>Literally game over
How can people defend this shit?
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>>97275984
Kaijus?
Kaiju slumber?
Kurikara?
If everything fails evenly.

Maybe I'm biased because I abused all of those but swinging for game after giving you a turtle always brought a smile to my face.
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>>97275992
I mean just insert your board breakers in place of hand traps.
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>>97275984
Modern decks are being baked with so much redundancy and i-don't-care-your-target-is-not-on-the-field-anymore effects that a handtrap or two short of Droll won't be stopping them anyway. Every single Dracotail monster grabs their spells from the deck in a way that Ash Blossom can't stop whenever they're chucked as fusion material for instance, and Artmagia literally lets you attempt to set up four times off of a single card.

If you're in the camp of people complaining about handtraps, build your decks better.
If you're in the camp of people complaining about ineffective handtraps, consider blowout going second staples.
If you're in both camps, keep struggling or play something else.
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>>97276008
The funny shit is that my board breakers were also materials, I was into some wacky shit.
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>>97276008
If you draw into 0 handtraps on turn 1 going second and don't draw into handtraps, going-second cards, or general non-engine on turn 2, then you need to re-assess your build because it's going too hard and heavy on engine.
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>>97276023
NTA, but sometimes you just get unlucky no matter your ratio of engine:non-engine.
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>>97276012
>play something else
Yep, let me go and purchase more handtrap-proof product! That will let me actually play the game until Konami prints another hand trap or floodgate that adequately nullifies the current meta, then I will purchase that!
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This general is so contrarian. I swear you fucks go from having modern YGO to defending multiple times within a thread just to argue whatever the last post was.
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>>97276023
>draw into 0 handtraps
I mean to adequately play going second you either need A) draw 4 handtraps/breakers and a starter, B) hope your opponent has bricked, C) hope your opponent is bad and falls for your negate-bait(s).
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>>97276037
You misunderstand, retard. I'm telling you to fuck off and stop playing yugioh if this is such a massive problem for you. If you're not having fun, then stop participating.
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>>97276051
You were not telling me to do that and you know it.
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>>97276054
Don't put words in my mouth like you put cocks in yours you insipid fucking faggot. Most people generally understand that "play something else" means "stop playing this game".
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>>97276061
Please calm down.
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>>97276076
Fuck off. You're coming into this thread asking for people to defend an aspect of the game when you aren't even prepared to defend your reason for continuing to participate when you clearly aren't having fun. If you don't like something that's been integral to the game for almost a decade at this point, be normal and fucking play something else instead of coming into these communities kicking up a storm because other people are having more fun than you are.
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>dare to criticise any aspect of YGO
>anon assblasted beyond reason
lol
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>>97276089
>Asks people to defend something
>They defend it
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>>97276041
Yeah it's strange, almost makes it feel like there are multiple people in the same thread.
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Truly terrible thread.
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>defends modern yugioh
>is a retard
like clockwork
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>actually paying for cards
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>>97277098
The one thing I'll give MtG over YGO is they're much more accepting of proxies. Even casual YGO players look at you like you spitroasted Ann Frank with Adolf Hitler if you bring out a single proxy. It's kind of wild. Not sure what caused that in YGO players specifically.
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>>97277430
Yu-Gi-Oh is a card game about playing a card game, which probably innately makes people care more about the cards themselves.
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>>97277430
>Not sure
Most ygo players are retards
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https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/139382049
Various girls sex
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can you respond to Jokul with Psy-Framelord Omega? if you banish the Jokul the effect is countered, right?

other ruling question is does Dark Ruler No More prevent Mirrorjade's leave the battlefield effect?

these both came up last week and I want to make sure we got it right because we didn't have a judge
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>>97236634
I’ve seen people saying that enneacraft is a unfun/bad deck to play against. Does anyone know why that is?
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>>97278088
ya, also works if you banish the other revealed monster
no lmao, they don't call it braindead for nothing
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>>97278142
ygo players piss and shit themselves when you set a card, just look at the average player's reaction to any trap deck
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Going through my old decks, is there any chance Super Quant ever makes a comback?
Maybe Genesys? My autism compels me
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>>97278142
it's entire gameplan is to ftk you with burn damage
it's pretty much the least fun concept for a deck imaginable
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>>97278198
Super Quant got some good legacy support recently, you should give it a try
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>>97278142
I'm going to explain this without talking about the elephant in the room that is their field spell
>Every single one of their monsters searches oneanother by their pendulum effect, and they have built-in methods to get their scales off of the field to ensure that you basically fill up your entire field
>Applies lingering effects IMMEDIATELY after they are flipped that either burn your opponent or protects your cards, which is something that some people seem to overlook
>One of the above lingering effects (Asta.PIXEA) is a floodgate that prevents your opponent from targeting anything on the field or GYs. For some reason, people overlook the fact that this also prevents them from targeting their own cards. For some reason, it also has a handrip effect when it's flipped by its own effect too.
>Half of their monsters have a statline of 3000:2500

So, it's a Beatdown/Stun/Control/Burn deck where the only way to reliably out them is non-targeting, non-destructive effects.

>uhh... DURRRRR..... but your opponent needs to activate effects in specific locations before you can flip your monsters!!!
I've also seen retards say this as though empty jar wasn't a thing in 2005 and its entire strategy didn't revolve around flipping a flip monster, and that we didn't get more cards that flip flip monsters since then.
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>>97278088
>Jokul
It says "both" when summoning the monsters so both targets need to be in hand at resolution to work.
>Mirrorjade
Any monster effect that happens when it leaves the field/is destroyed/whatever can activate in its new zone (except banished facedown/returned to deck) as well as reference the state it was in on the field (in the case of Mirrorjade: fusion summoned + under its owner's control + removed by opponent's card). A negated monster on the field is only negated in the GY on resolution if the effect itself activated on the field while the monster was negated and the negation didn't specify the monster must remain on the field to stay negated.
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>>97278088
>other ruling question is does Dark Ruler No More prevent Mirrorjade's leave the battlefield effect?
No. It's easier to understand when you conceptualize cards as separate instances when they activate their effects in different locations, rather than the same card which had effects applied to them in other locations. The instance of Mirrorjade that was on the field had its effects negated by the effects of Dark Ruler No More. The effects of Mirrorjade in the GY or banishment did not.

Of note; If you return Mirrorjade to the Extra Deck, its effect doesn't trigger. Same applies if Mirrorjade is banished face-down, because they are face-down.
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Just opened my 5 alliance insight boxes
No DMG but I got 2 qcdr cards and a Maliss P March Hare.
Tallied about $200 bucks.
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>>97277430
MtG didn't use to be this way until EDH became the most popular format. When playing MtG casually meant taking a Standard deck to your weekly FNM, proxies were not allowed as it was a sanctioned tournament. Since EDH is a casual format, people never really gave a shit and that sentiment remained, fortunately. The price of MtG singles since the advent of Commander has increased dramatically, where even your average casual deck non-proxied will run you fro. $250-$500, unless you're explicitly playing a budget build. I unironically switched to playing YGO as my primary card game as it is far more affordable these days.
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>>97277430
Most players don't give a fuck about proxy/OCG/AE cards, HOWEVER the owner will absolutely kick your ass to the curb if he catches you with one during a official tournament, because he can lose his OTS status over it. It's only allowed in HOTU tournaments, but then again HOTU tournaments have all sorts of weird rules, my lgs has its custom banlist and also lets you use a card from the official banlist ie you can run pot of greed or apollousa in your deck.
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>>97280716
>my lgs has its custom banlist and also lets you use a card from the official banlist ie you can run pot of greed or apollousa in your deck.
Shock Master Onomat Ryzeal
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>>97278993
UN-ignoring the elephant in the room; the field spell deals lethal amounts of burn damage. I've had some oxygen thieves say that it's just like a regular OTK build, but you can block battle damage pretty trivially as long as your opponent isn't on a gimmick build like Mikanko, Yubel, or heaven forbid Ritual Relinquished. You can't block effect damage, or at least not reliably with fucking anything in the current meta short of One Day of Peace in Runick (which is to say, not reliably with fucking anything in the current meta). It also doesn't take a hell of a lot to pivot it into being an FTK build instead.

A single card should not be able to repeatedly burn your opponent for over half their starting LP at the start of every single turn. If it only happened during your own standby phase? Sure, the archetype's theme is Judgement and you're punishing your opponent for their opulent playstyles when it only happens during your own standby phase.. But it does it every. single. turn. It's just not right.
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>>97245405
>>97245434
Definitely these. Having grown up with KidsWB, you kinda felt they were often marketing toward a more "urban" market, with the presentation and the commercials as well. As for YGO itself, you had millennium items that were bling, dramatic dudes with crazy hair, hot female side characters, and general shounen shit. It should not be surprising at all that blacks got really into YGO, more so than Pokémon. Sonic X too. It's like how Latino kids were the ones wearing DBZ T-shirts to school.
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>>97282196
Anyway, I haven't played YGO in 20 years. If I want to collect graded copies of some old favorites, should I stick with English or should I try for the original Japanese versions of the cards? Not thinking of it as an investment, but just collecting and aesthetics. Think the God cards, Five-Headed Dragon, those kinds of things. I have a handful of Pokémon cards for the same reason, and they're all Japanese versions, so I'm wondering if it'd be best to stick with that.
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>>97282203
If you're okay with reprints, Konami's reprint policy is really freaking good these days and they also kinda blew their load for the 25th anniversary and printed some nostalgia sets. Otherwise it just depends on your preference, though the Japanese ones will almost certainly be cheaper.
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>>97282203
We're getting full arts in coming sets, with some an extra special version called "Grand Master Rare" though that particular level is so extremely rare that it's gonna be in investment territory.

If you want to go in on more general collectng, Konami has a pretty aggressive reprint policy that means there's gonna be a fair number of options out there.

Since you mentioned going for graded stuff, know that it's way, way harder to get high grades in Yu-Gi-Oh compared to stuff like Pokemon. 7's aren't that bad of a pickup for instance. If you think I'm joking, the 1-of-1 Tyler the Great Warrior that was in a case from when it came off the line to when it got graded only got a 7. It's partly a matter of quality control, but also because the grading people look really deeply at all the cards for even the tiniest of errors to dock the grade by.
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Is it just me or do master duel missions not always work?
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>>97282449
Nice
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>>97282528
It is laughably broken. At least once a week I will time-out on a mission because the game is fucked.
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>>97282528
Taking a stab in the dark at your issue, you can only complete the majority of them in ranked/events and if you surrender the game it doesn't count anything from that game towards progress.
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>>97282528
Just you. I've never had a mission not work in 3~ years.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tKUl-BCjkFw
BEWDbros - our response?
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>>97282672
>if you surrender the gske it doesn't count anything towards your mission progress
NTA, but I genuinely did not know this. Now I know why sometimes my missions won't complete - its cause I scoop games if I know I will lose.
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>>97282449
and then here comes the second sky burn
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>>97282812
>either you draw into the ice barrier part of the deck (stun), or the umi side (also stun)
>or you draw into both
>plays the mirror force cards on top of that
holy hell nigger, kill yourself
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What should I play at locals on Saturday bros?
>Primite BE
>Cubics
>Rose Dragon/Rikka
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>>97283478
If you want to win, from that list it's blue-eyes.
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>>97236634
apple magician girl is better kek
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>>97282672
That explains a lot, thanks.
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I need some suggestions for my voiceless voice extra deck, i know it doesn't really use it a lot, but i do need targets for nadir servant since i run it as a engine.
>fusion
N'tss and garura.
>synchro
Arc light and ???
>xyz
Mereologic and ???
>link
Bucephalus and either of the ferrijit links, one's a mulligan and the other a book of moon. I'm leaning towards the later since i don't really run any bricks, as even maximus can be tributed then fetched with nadir.
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>>97285504
Don't get too attached to Arclight; it's probably not long for this world.
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>>97285530
What do you mean don't get too attached? It's one of the most important cards of the deck!
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>>97285559
Yummy is using it as a floodgate and Mitsurugi is a meta ritual deck with confirmed reprints, so there's the meta tax on one hand. On the other, there's a new Synchro handtrap that in exchange for revealing it, 5 ED synchros, and a Synchro lock until the end of the next turn, you can:
>Special the Handtrap
>Send a Synchro from ED to GY
>Non-targeting destroy 1 card
This makes Mitsurugi Yummy even stronger than it already is as a meta deck, so Arc is thereby extremely likely to die.
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>>97285559
If yummy isnt dead this month because konami wants to keep it around, expect everything around it to die for it. Arc light already went from 3 to 1 because of it.
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>>97285651
Arc Light going from 3 to 1 is not a bad thing. It does not do good things when it hits the field, and miraculously it took until Yummy's release to get an archetype that puts out multiple consistently. Konami could just print another extra deck monster with a functionally identical dump effect (search ritual stuff) and nothing would be lost.
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I fucking love Dueling Nexus
I'm sad Master Duel doesn't support Edison since I like the polish more
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>>97285651
The blame realistically falls harder on Habakiri than Yummy or Arclight, but Arclight is likely going to be the sacrificial banlist offering until Konami gets tired of Habakiri.
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What is the gameplay benefit to having monsters that can't be destroyed by attacks? What problem does this solve?
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>>97285794
What in the world are you talking about? Yummy was summoning multiple arclight BEFORE people started playing it with mitsu.
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>>97285907
And Yummy in a hypothetical Habakiri-less world probably wouldn't have necessitated a ban when a limit sufficed to keep the non-OPT negate-floodgate from being too spammable.
We're going to see the same pattern play out when Crimson Blade Dragon releases because it can search Habakiri too.
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>>97285717
>took until yummy to make multiple
Are you new? Because that shit was happening in 2020 in "synchro pile" with such fun and amazing cards like linkross, halq, arouradon, deskbot 001, jet synchron, and co.
Being able to put 2 under an XYZ and then pitch both to search both a ritual and it's spell if you wanted was an option but you'd more likely keep them around for the negate. Not that it mattered much because you likely handripped them some number of times and they couldn't play anyway.
>>97285794
I agree mitsu is an issue to be considered but arc light being a completely generic searcher for ritual stuff has it coming back over and over to enable things. It might be time to take it out back behind the shed. Maybe retrain them at this point with an update to the herald archetype. Although idk if enabling perfection is a good idea now that I say that, last time that happened with drytron it was a shitshow..
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>>97285938
Oh, okay. I was caught up on the other guy's 3-to-1 comment and wires got crossed.

I don't see Arc Light getting banned over Habakiri, though. They know it's a problem in every format, and it's getting reprinted in a set which is a death sentence for powerful cards. Being in a structure deck did not save Artifact Scythe, being in the Rarity Collection did not save Baronne, and being in Legendary Modern Decks probably won't save Habakiri. Or at least not for long after it's released.
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>>97285971
You're right. Excuse me. It took until Yummy to be able to consistently make all 3 without blowing your wad on Arc Lights and not have a follow-up gameplan afterwards.
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>>97285980
Also, it's not as though Konami hasn't ever printed banned cards in sets for fun (Branded Expulsion in the megatins)
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>>97285994
Branded Expulsion was a meme ban anyway.
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>>97285971
Herald retrain with proper xenolocks to avoid compatibility with other unintended engines like Drytron would probably be okay. I still think Habakiri is the reason that Arclight is considered broken now, but I'm not losing sleep over a herald ban either way though. I'd honestly just prefer they errata Habakiri to solve the problem without killing pure Yummy, random rogue ritual decks, or pure Mitsurugi, but unfortunately Konami doesn't like doing that.
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>>97285504
>fusion
You can meme with shaddolls if you want but you'd need some kind of dark to get to winda and I don't know if that's easy for VV.
>synchro
Galong is a bounce and packbit puts a monster in the S/T zone (this costs a discard)
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Is it normal for booster boxes to cost like fifty dollars?
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>>97287098
That depends. If it's the newest boxes and it has something meta-relevant, they'll typically go for ~$120. If it's something slightly older and not meta relevant, the price can be anywhere between $70 and $20 in LED9's case. It's all about demand + the knowledge that a lot of their cards are getting reprinted in tins.
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>>97285559
Sorry we have to kill all ritual decks because banning new cards may cause 0.001% loss of profit for company, better luck next time fucker.
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>>97287260
Christ this hobby is more expensive than I remember.
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>>97287301
The pull rates are actually decent compared to whatever time you're remembering and reprints drag those prices down kicking and screaming every year. Only people it's really expensive for is people that want to participate in the current meta.
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>>97285724
master duel is a monkey's paw game, by far the best card game simulator for any given tcg. but doesn't support anything but the 1 format.
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>>97287030
>shaddoll
It's easy for dogmatika. Send garura with nadir to add maximus and draw 1, banish the card you sent to summon it, use his effect to dump apkallone and some other DARK card, like titaniklad (to add fleur in the EP), then force the opponent to send two extra deck cards as well. Then you add schism and discard 1. The issue is that i don't really like floodgates ie winda, schism and fleur are garnets, and i sometimes can't afford to discard anything.
>synchro
You mean malong? I actually asked in my lgs for nadir/ultimate slayer targets and people recommended that card and wind pegasus, so i bought them.

So far i have this:
>fusion
N'tss and garura
>synchro
Arc light and malong.
>xyz
Vallon and mereologic.
>link
Arms mouser. I DO own bucephalus, but that only works as a ultimate slayer target. If i wanted to send garura to draw, i can just... send garura directly. And again, i don't find barren blossom's mulligan too useful. But voiceless voice doesn't really need anything from the extra deck (just chaos angel, ty-phon, almiraj, secure gardna and dyna mondo), so maybe i'll add her anyway.
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I'm thinking of getting a paper collection of white forest/azamina deck since it's my favorite deck in MD. Currently I'm looking to get an Asian English version of the cards (I live in singapore anyway), is getting them via singles the recommended way? What's the status of asian english stuff anyway?
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>>97288220
Singles will always be cheaper. Even with the better chances in OCG's pack structure. Any pack you open that doesn't contain cards you want or dupes is wasted money. The other problem you might have is finding the packs unless you buy online, the set they come from is from 2024. And if you're going to be ordering stuff from online then why wouldn't you just purchase the cards you want?
IDK how buying singles works for your region so best of luck on that. Maybe someone else here can help with that.
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>>97288220
What do you mean by status? They're obviously legal in your cunt, and the AE prints are of noticeably higher quality than TCG. I couldn't tell you about buying them however, i DO know they're significantly cheaper than OCG and TCG, but i'm not sure about the actual prices and rarities.
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>>97288220
>is getting them via singles the recommended way?
Yes, but I don't know how easy (or difficult) it is to buy them from TCGPlayer or Cardmarket. You might want to go a locals and ask people if they have them for sale, if you have a locals nearby that is.
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>>97288220
>is getting singles the best way to build a specific deck
No, just buy booster packs until you finally get every single card you need
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what the fuck is this dogshitttttt
fucking konami go fuck yourself you fat fucking niggers why are there multiple cards, why did you release 2 different variants of the same card one for ocg and another for tcg and then why did it take you so long to add the ocg to the tcg but then why did you release a new pack with the old card recentlyyyyyy.
why the fuck are these shitty fucking card sellers selling one at a time? so you can spike the price when a deck gets popular or something you dumb fucking kike faggets i am so fucking seething mad holy shit the first time i try to get back in to playing a card game (fuck MTroonG) does the entire market have to be kiked reeeeeee.

Who knew building a deck out of singles would be so hard. I really didn't think the card market was this anally gaped, not to mention how one site says a card isnt TCG and then finding out it is because konami did a "tournament"pack or some shit and now it is TCG?
Is the entire market just a bunch of grifters scalping cards and then selling singles while waiting for a new deck to pop off in meta so they can jack the price? i just want to build a meme deck man goddamn and konami doesnt make shit clear, i almost bought a 70$ box with 3 card packs in it because it looked like it had everything i needed except some of the cards were the older tcg version with a shitty effect.
Even worse is that im going to buy off tcgplayer in the US and then probably have to use a shipping forwarder to get them sent to me in AUS and that will still be cheaper than buying singles or packs in AUS.

what a clusterfuck.
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>>97289079
Are you a fucking middle schooler or something? Your post looks like shit I'd grade when I was a teacher's aide.
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>>97289079
What?
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>>97289111
That wasn't a "no"
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not reading that giant post tbqh
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>>97288121
>secure gardna
What's this for?
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>>97289111
rent free
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Did Konami release physical copies of the 10th edition of the rulebook? I want to purchase one to take to locals.
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Anybody ever tested Blue-Eyes with Thunder End Dragon?
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>>97289473
To get out a negate ASAP, only works with certain hands (lo and barrier/saffira/guardian).
>normal lo, place blessings
>link her off for almiraj
>add lo back to hand with blessings
>add guardian with either saffira or barrier
>link almiraj into secure gardna
>blessings triggers, you ritual summon guardian using lo in hand
>CL1 add sauravis, CL2 special summon lo
Technically the deck doesn't actually need it since you never summon more than 3 times, but this line was pretty handy when i ran the ryzeal cards instead of diviner and the dogmatika engine.
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>>97290207
nvm then, thought it was something generic for ritual decks since I also have no idea how to cope once herald gets banned
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https://exhentai.org/g/3708618/627857b3d6/
Gagaga Girl sex
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>>97289079
Do you want actual information on how to resolve your issue or do you want to just be a little bitch baby and cry about it?
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>>97290506
His issue is that he's a retard who doesn't understand how to buy cards online. I don't think you're capable of helping him.
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New Jurrac support
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>>97289772
No they moved to a digital one and a QR code to pull it up at that point. Worst of all is that v10 doesn't even have the revision printed in it (fusion, synchro, xyz dont need linked zones). At this point Im convinced konami doesn't give a fuck because every yugituber on the planet has made a guide. Or it's intentional as a way to push master duel as a tutorial product though an only so-so one.
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>>97289111
damn you really are a middle schooler
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>200 UR/SR points
Wow that's really gener....
>30pts per card
Oh
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>>97290265
It probably won't get banned, and if it does it'll only be temporary. It's a key piece of many ritual decks after all, none of which even summon the thing. We'll just have to wait for the OCG mitsurugi support, then the TCG legendary decks to drop before they address the actual problem instead of doing gay "hit around the deck because it's selling a lot" limits and bans (btw say goodbye to pre-preparation too).
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thinking of getting back into the tcg this year since i have a locals fairly close. What deck would be good? I have fiendsmith stuff for punk and primite for blue-eyes
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of course the brandednigger blue eyesboomer would pick the pedo monster for punk
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Just bought a chronicles structure deck. Just for context. I haven't played yugioh since the early 2000s. Synchro, xyz, link, pendulum etc were not a thing when I last played.
All I have to say is holy shit! I knew the game had become very combo focused and fast, but this is insane. I'm not complaining though. This deck is incredible. It has so many moving parts that all synergise so well with each other.
I only have a single copy, but the thought of having access to playsets of the best cards just blows my mind. This deck plays so well out of the box, so having 3 of each card would be insane. You would literally be able to pull off your main combo EVERY SINGLE TIME.
I'm still getting my head around sychro, xyz, and link, but its not been as bad as I was anticipating. Pendulums can go get fucked though.
Does /tg/ have any recommendations of other structure decks that are super rewarding to play?
I currently have the chronicles deck and the blue eyes white destiny. I find the BEWD one a bit boring and linear.
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>>97293226
>fiendsmith
yuck, whatever you choose stay away from my wife
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>>97294503
With the knowledge that they're not as good as the Chronicles deck, I could maybe suggest the Fire King and Traptrix decks. Traptrix' structure deck is a Xyz/Link deck that has a slower-paced and more methodical playstyle. It was pretty good when it released, but naturally since it's been a couple of years, it's fallen off. Really cheap to upgrade it though, and you learn a lot of ruling stuff when you run it (like how for instance, you can activate multiple trap holes in a single chain, as long as the last thing to happen in the previous chain fulfilled its summoning condition).

Fire King on its own is also really good. It's a slightly more combo-oriented setup that focuses heavily on destroying things (things from your hand, things from your deck, things that belong to your opponent, etc). The structure deck itself has a pretty good spread of staples, and it has a good amount of build potential when you start pulling in other cards. Fire King Snake-Eye and Fire King Jurrac are the two builds that immediately come to mind, though they also pair exceptionally well with Dinosaurs if you could believe it. After all these years, their main strategy still revolves around killing the baby.
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>>97294834
Also I forgot to mention; The Fire King SD is an Xyz deck, plus Hiita the Fire Charmer, Ablaze (Link)
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https://ygoprodeck.com/deck/rose-rikka-678749
How does this look for Genesys? Never played that format before.
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>>97294503
But branded isn't combo? The goal of the deck is baiting handtraps with gold sarc/aluber, then adding branded fusion in some other way OR fusing using cartesia, if that fails you can just TTT into fusion duplication and fuse in the opponent's turn. It does turn into a combo deck with the BPRO cards, but we don't get that set until iirc next month.
>>97294736
Punk fiendsmith doesn't even work in paper formats because you have to hard draw engraver/tract to access the engine, unlike MD where you turn the spare bodies into moon.
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>>97295436
There's a R3 light fiend.
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When do we bake?
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>>97296386
When Konami saves the game
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>>97296386
someone else make the new thread, i don't have any good sfw pictures for the op and i just don't fucking want to think of a good tcac and tq
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>>97295436
The man said he hasn't played the game since the early 2000s. Branded might not be a combo deck by the standard of combo decks, but you must consider what a combo deck was when he says that.

Also, the Synchro variant kind of breaches into Combo territory, though the structure deck is the pure Fusion variant.
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>>97295436
>>97297557
Yes, to clarify, when I say combo, I'm referring to the play where you summon aluber to search for branded fusion, then play albion, lubellion, and then mirrorjade. I do understand that the main point of the deck is to use mirrorjade to banish an opponents card, or if you're able to get albaz back into the grave, you can fusion away their monsters using quem or rindbrumm's ability. It honestly is staggering just how much disruption options are available in this deck.
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>>97294834
I'm not too worried if a deck isn't meta. A deck with an interesting strategy is far better than one which just plays the same line every game. This was one of the reasons why I was a little disappointed by the blue-eyes structure deck. The traptrix deck looks really interesting. I had to do a double take when I saw that freaking TRAP HOLE was in the deck. To think that such an old card is still being played today made me smile.
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>>97298145
Most people will just have a combination of Rafflesia and Gravedigger's Trap Hole if they really wanna utilize Traptrix generically. Rafflesia's effect lets you dupe the effect of a -Hole trap from your deck when its activation condition is met, so they'll use Gravedigger's to insulate them from Nibiru.

>To think that such an old card is still being played today made me smile.
It's one of Konami's favorite tricks. Exchange of the Spirits (Ishizu's card from the anime) got a series of cards that broke the game in half and resulted in most of them getting banned, and most recently Temple of the Kings (Odion's series with Trap Monsters) got a boatload of support that thrust it into meta relevancy for a little while. I'm pretty sure that Odion is still low-tiered meta, or Rogue status (still sees fleeting tournament play). Point is that they really, really like either supporting old cards (Mystical Space Typhoon -> Radiant Typhoon archetype), or retraining them (Gate Guardian, Skull Guardian, etc)



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