Grogmas in the hive streets editionPrevious Thread:>>97019770Check out here for useful links and a catalogue of relevant miniatures retailers:https://pastebin.com/nnNqqFLnThe Rogue Trader magazine article compilation:https://gofile.io/d/yNK9bq
possibly the rarest chapter
>>97237452Merry Christmas you fuckers, thanks for keeping the /grog/ and oldhammer alive.
My Christmas present was a replacement general for my orcs.Merry Christmas to all
>>97238608>replacementThat original general looks surprisingly unpainted. Do penance by painting them both.
Death Eagles
>>97241132should have been been this pic but eh whatever
>>97241140I wonder if they get mistaken for Doom Eagles a lot.
>>97237452Merry Christmas, /GROG/!How's the casting quality of the WargamesFoundry Ex-Citadel minis? Any other sources of Ex-Citadel minis still being legally produced and sold today?
>>97242978>legallyNobody cares. Fuck James, fuck GW shareholders.
>>97242978Trollsoup.com had some of the licensed Epicast Eldar resin vehicles
>>97242978it's good stuff, and Foundry are the only ones with ex-Citadel production legit because they were founded by Bryan Ansell who got a load of stuff which Citadel wasn't gonna use after he left. Anything else floating about out there is recasts of stuff that made its way out through other methods.
This is from a '88 white dwarf.
>>97242978I bought a big pile of the medievals range to make a regiment of foot knights and men at arms for my 6e Bretonnians. The casting quality is good, details are as firm as can be for sculpts from the mid 80s, every part clearly defined and readable unprimed.
>>97242978In addition to the ex-Citadel stuff, there's a whole bunch of Citadel-adjacent models like Ral Partha Legacy and Prince August's dwindling stock of 1e Warzone models (Heartbreaker was founded by people who ditched GW in the wake of the first big management transfer, were originally making models for GW on contract, and there are a bunch of very Rogue Trader-ish models). Not to mention all those sculptors' own companies.
>>97248301>Ral Partha Legacy and Prince August's dwindling stock of 1e Warzone modelsThanks for reminding me to check PA again, things are looking really slim for the Imperial and Cybertronic ranges, but remarkably healthy for the Capitol and Dark Legion ranges, might go make an order soon and top up those two collections. :^)
Has anyone got a pdf for the 3e Witch Hunter's codex? Looks like James has done a thorough job of scrubbing the internet of codices
>>97248757I got you, mate.aHR0cHM6Ly9tZWdhLm56L2ZpbGUvbEtRM0FScUkjNHppQlFyVEZoWUViNkVHYzRBbS1oOVQ4aWhxb0RObHlONHlZd1lyMElSZw==You know what to do.
>>97248821Legend, thank you! I feel like it was just a year or 2 ago I could search for any codex from any edition on Yandex or whatever and find it no problem. Why does James even care about old codices desu
>>97248871That's like asking why a murderer would hide the body of his victim.Those codices are evidence that Warhammer was once something other than what it is planned to become; generic science-fantasy inclusive noblebright slop.They can't have anybody allowed to remember.
>>97248874It did remind me of Stalinist style history erasure. Old codices are historical archives in this context. Comparisons make people ask questions, questions weaken authority. Counter-narratives to the idea of Warhammer™ that they want to sell you must be brutally crushed.
Finished this guy today
>>97249562Gorgeous work mate
>>97249562fuckin A+. the old chaos dreads look way better than the hell brutes>base painted with goblin greenabsolute classic
>>97249633>>97249694Thanks guys. Working on some more chaos stuff right now. Can you tell which models I used as the base for the conversions? All old metal stuff.
You ever start doing something and it just starts to snowball out of control?
>>97249694>based at all>Based on 60mm rounds, which only came out in the mid-Noughties>classicShiggy, etc. >>97249562Nice work
>>97249562marvelous
>>97249562Classic. Would vortex grenade.
what edition is best for small scale games? 500 to 750 points? I prefer skirmish size but kill team has become quite shit and I want to have some flexibility in list building
>>97253217I feel like for small scale skirmish gaming like that 1st and 2nd edition is probably the way to play. But that's not to say that 3rd and 4th and the Kill Team and Combat Patrol rules of that era, Kill Team of 3rd(KT came about in late 3rd through white dwarf, late 200s IIRC) and 4th are a wholly different beast from what it is now, do a lot to scratch that itch.
>>97252364Did someone do a print run of Net-Epic Armageddon?
>>97254690IIRC, people just use premium printing/binding services plus the PDFs available online.
What is the minimum number of snotlings to make a snotling base? They have three wounds so I would think 3
>>97255403(Snotlings you have/Bases you want)+1
>>97255403At least 5, the plastic snotlings came 5 to a base.
What was the last edition of 40k before they started advancing the timeline? I hear people talk about 2017 as when that kind of thing really started.I'd like to acquire the rulebook and codices from whichever edition it was before they started the influx of heresy (really just new fluff elements I don't like, but I'm sticking with calling it heresy). If I can't find a good answer, I'll just get 3rd or 4th edition, from when I used to play.For the record, the stuff I am talking about as heresy>inventing a random techprist (okay Archmagos) that could improve the work of the Emperor as a way to start dropping in new models everywhere>female Custodes>generally advancing the timeline from less 10 seconds to midnight to a point where pimarchs are returning in the 42nd millennium and some people kinda sorta unironically hope againI prefer the old "no, it's all fucked, the Emperor is always silent as the grave because he's fucking DEAD, there will be no happy endings, nobody can possibly win, and everyone is about to lose in their own spectacular fashion" version of 40k.
>>97255972Well, the timeline advanced with the 3rd war of Armageddon and the 13th Black Crusade campaigns (which would creep over the line into M42), but they later set those back and retconned the results. Rogue Trader also started with events in M41. year 987 and things would tick along with 988, 989 and so on for a while before locked at 999. The timeline was only truly static for a few years in the mid-2000s.Anyway it was 8th that introduced Primaris and jumped things because GW was in a hole with 7th following Tom Kirby's increasingly disastrous leadership.
>>97253217Gotta go with >>97253228 and recommend 4th's Combat Patrol.1-3 troops0-1 HQ0-1 Elite0-1 Fast Attack0-1 Heavy Support1 ally unit (battle brothers only)No unit of more than 2 woundsNo psyker of mastery level more than 1No saves greater than 3+No flyersNo Forgeworld unitsNo special charactersCombined AV of vehicles no more than 33played on a 4x4 board
>>97255403Classic? 9Reasonably full? 5(assuming square bases)
>>97256039>>97253228cheers m80s. I'll check out 4th combat patrol and possibly 2nd.
I think these ogres will make good freebooter ogryns
>>97255403I put 4 on mine, use 32mm round bases. They are just ammunition for my shokk attack gun
>>97256653Did you use AI to mock up a conversion?
>>97258096That I did
>>97258366Not bad for an AI.
Where do I find recasts of older Warhammer Fantasy models? All the ones I find are like 3rd/4th ed 40k guys
>>97259049It's gotten a lot better at changing images without totally remaking them into slop
>>97258366Stop doing that, it's embarrassing.
>>97260166I think it is ok for testing color shemes or conversions.
>>97260290no it's not
>>97260290No, it's not.You should actually be painting & converting your models, nobody cares about some half baked idea that you couldn't even be bothered to think of yourself, you had to outsource it to a fucking computer.This is a Neo-Luddite board, come back when you have something to show that can actually be held in the hand and appreciated for it's tactile qualities.
>>97260488I made this catapult out of two leftover chariots
>>97260318It is when used as a tool not as a substitute.>>97260488What are you talking about? That anon wondered if they could be converted. He powered up AI and the topic is done.
>>97256653>>97258366>>97260290You do not belong in /grog/. Leave, pajeet.
>>97260515You didn't make anything, this is just more ai generated crap. I genuinely don't understand what you hope to gain from posting this junk in the one thread where it is guaranteed to be appreciated least. Grog is about leaving the future behind and appreciating the best of the past, traditional crafts by traditional methods. There's might be an audience that will appreciate this drek somewhere, but it sure isn't here.
>>97262250Pills schizo
>>97262250How could you tell?
>>97262733Not that anon but a ton of the bits of detailing are just wrong. Just look at the complete butchered feet for instance. Or the wheels for a fucking blatant one. When you're familiar with the models it's obvious.
>>97262733>How could you tell?It's as simple as this; I refuse to believe anybody who stoops to posting and defending ai generated images actually owns any models or plays any games.Furthermore:When you actually spend your time building and painting models, you develop a keen eye for fine detail.Ai intrinsically looks like crap, and something just feels wrong about it when you look at it for more than three seconds. It's like eating a hamburger you grilled yourself versus one from mcdonalds, or watching a porno featuring a live human woman versus a video of some schlub plowing a realdoll.I'm not going to go into any further detail that might in any way assist you to attempt better forgeries, be content in your failure and post this garbage no more.
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Is there any Admech conversion for 4th edition?
>>97260488I agree. I don't want to see AI slop posted in /grog. This should be the last place in which it is posted.
>>97261925Honestly, before destroying an old miniature for conversion, use everything at your hand to plan.That anon just might never build that mini, but i was just curious if it was AI.
>>97262733One of the skeletons has six fingers.
>>97264110>Honestly, before destroying an old miniature for conversion, use everything at your hand to plan.If you really cared about the conservattion of old miniatures then you would know recasters exist.
>>97264418Not for everything.
>>97264660Just because you don't have their emails doesn't mean they don't exist.
>>97264669I dont think that they recast every old mini. Some sculpts are probably lost since they dont got their hands on unassambled parts.Or are so rarely ordered that it doesnt make sense to have the molds for it.
>>97264780There are very few oldhammer miniatures that haven't found a recaster yet. There a decent amount that even have the stuff that was never released by GW but got passed around by ex staff. Again, just because you haven't found a certain mini yet doesn't mean it doesn't have a recaster selling it.
>>97265283Ok, didnt knew that the recaster network is that massive.
>>97265883It's not, James.
>>97264110There is no plan to create anything. The kind of person who leans on the crutch of ai does not have the conviction or followthrough to actually sit down and convert that figure, let alone paint it and play a game with it. Once they've Generated their ai image the itch has been scratched, all motivation is gone, they're only posting it here to try and mop up the last dregs of dopamine they can squeeze from their facile "creation". They will have forgotten about it before the paint dries on my next figure.
>>97266179shut it down
>>97265283I dont know about very few, as lots of the lizardman metals are missing from the only good metal caster I know (your picrel) and no one seems to have the old necron or even much of the old or rt csm that I know of. Maybe I just need to up my searching game for others.
I made >>97260515 out of these sprues
>>97266352timestamp and sharpie in pooper or didn't happen
>>97266179Sorry, i should have written that they are well connected and developed a wide selection of minis.
>>97266231I know, i shouldnt encourage AI user. But i was just interested if it was made with AI.
Anybody get a pool table for gaming? I was considering it as it's already green and has cupholders.
>>97266728You gonna cover the top or not? """Gaming""" tables with edges raised high are terrible to play on and their one advantage is that you can put something on top to "save" your adventure/campaign so pets/kids/dinner don't ruin the setup.
>>97266728Why would you ruin your pool table? Ever tried to lift one? You won't be moving it around much. Just go modular.
>>97254690That someone was me, I ordered it from Mixam. You just have to do some formatting with the pdf beforehand. Luckily NetEpic Good is pretty well formatted for printing, so I just needed to create a cover and spine.
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curious question that I thought some here might be able to help with. I have come across some nice RT and 2nd ed orks 3d printing files. I love these minis and would like to include them in my current ork army, but I hesitate because of the scale difference between the older boys and the newer Brian Nelson orks, as that is what primarily makes up my army. I got to thinking, perhaps the scale difference wouldn't be so bad if I scaled the 2nd ed minis up in the slicer before printing. My question then is how much of a scale up do you reckon they would need to appear about the same size as a Brian Nelson ork? cheers.
>>972717952nd edition starter is still probably the best starter set next to blackreachBecause you can actually and have been given the tools IN THE BOX to actually PLAY THE GAME with itCrazy idea I knowModern GW would never
>>97266334I've sent a lot of stuff to our recaster friend but he doesn't take everything offered. For example I had a set of the metal SM scouts with shotguns and bolters (that are quite rare compared to all the other scouts) and he wasn't interested, I guess cos most people just use the plastic kit that's been around for 20 years. They're a business at the end of the day and some of the gaps are deliberate.Having said that I've got a lot of the 90s lizardmen minis, I might see if he's interested in them. Are there any you're specifically looking for?
>>97276958Thanks. I've been collecting them all, but particularly I've been trying to get the old templeguard and just the regular Saurus with spears and other weapons and the alternative metal skink archers and javelin throwers, along with the champions.However, I agree, who in their right mind would stock those? In plastic, they're so abundant, but I just was abit crazy and wanted to get as many as I could to build up variety in my ranks.One thing I have are the skink cold one riders from Dogs of War, I wonder if he would want those.Someone else must have RT chaos marines, because I see them around here and there, and there's no way they're all legit. Maybe.
>>97274947I dont think that this starter box is better than the ones that followed.The difference is that the 2nd edition came at a much easier, less complicated army list.
>>97279334For purely getting your start on playing the game thoand the amount of stuff you got the price?Still unbeaten
>>97237475The Polio Eagles
>>97252364I bet you've read less than 30% of that, and it's just a feelgood shrine functionally indistinguishable from some other fag's wall of Funko Pops.
>>97262250>>97263078You two are examples of a new type of subhuman that is arguably even worse than an AI-user -- that is, drooling Dunning-Kruger thoughtzombies who so reflexively go, "THAT'S AI!!" to everything that they end up constantly denying reality.I hope the AI shitter comes back with more pictures to drive the final nails through your idiot wrists, but he seemed no less braindead than you two so I can't count on him even knowing he's in a fight he can win.
>>97281241This is a tactile hobby, ai has no place here, especially in a subsection of the hobby devoted to appreciating the pre-digital era of it. You seem the sort of person who would let a far more destructive element into your hobby simply to spite someone you might disagree with. This is not a case of take the good with the bad, it's a case or rejecting an utterly incompatible element & mindset that will dilute pollute and diminish the hobby we love if it is not checked immediately and vigorously.
>>97281597See, none of that alters the fact that you(?) or the other guy got so mad that you could no longer tell a real conversion from AI slop. Of what use is any of your reasoning, preferences, etc. when we have all just watched you fail to perceive the real world accurately?I hate AI and would make it illegal if it were up to me. I do not kneejerk accuse anything I don't like of being AI, though.
Got the AI to convert a plastic 2nd edition goff ork into a bad moon
And this is a evil sunz boy
>>97281824Why the fuck do you need AI to do something you can do by just cutting the horns and spike off it takes literally five seconds irl
>>97282192Because they're a low effort troll. >>97266352Post it with a timestamp on a real table.
>>97282219Probably true actually yea
>>97282192Just to see what it look likes. Not quite as good as this real one. But close enough
Deciding which wyvern I want
>>97282219>Post it with a timestamp on a real table.Have you noticed the main difference between his ogre and orc slop and the skeletons yet? The one that exposes your hallucinations?Hint: it's not the models. It's something behind the models, that the models create.>but their feet are... WEIRD!So's your son, mate.
>>97282682You drunk son?
>>97282708Love when someone's best attempt at a rejoinder fecklessly incorporates one of the words that was just used to make fun of them because it's at the top of their slow mind.
>>97281167>bet you've read less than 30% of that, and it's just a feelgood shrine functionally indistinguishable from some other fag's wall of Funko Pops.Eh, Warhammer books ain't exactly hard reading. You can get through an entire edition's codexs in a day if you want to. Compared to the academic books I read they're a breeze. I mostly use them for painting inspiration though, as I really love the classic 80s-90s aesthetic, especially the colors.
>>97281750I'm not convinced it is a real conversion, too much of it is blurred and indistinct. Too much detail is missing. All hallmarks of ai. Further, real or no, the "models" in the image are partially painted and of middling quality. They command no respect and are worthy of no praise or recognition. If he wants to show off unfinished work he can take it to the WIP thread, if he wants to post ai, he can take it to the ai thread. His posts have no place here under any circumstances. Either way the photo was not posted in good faith, so there's no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt.
>>97281597Man I love those old spindly bloodletters. All of the old Realms of Chaos stuff is great. I even love the ol hippo juggernaut.
>>97283083They really dropped the ball in 4th ed
>>97283055It's an awful conversion and an awful paintjob, but we're in an oldhammer thread. Models that look like shit all the way the down are de rigueur.
>>97283044>codexs
>>97281597I take it then you also reject any artworks in the oldhammer style that are created using a computer & digital drawing software, any models made with a printer whether new made in oldhammer style or scanned from originals, any kind of digital formats of rules or scans of books even if no longer easily available, all modern ranges of wargaming paint, and all other "dilutions" of the pure and righteous hobby of collecting nothing except original lead cast minis of the era painted with thin watery early acrylics or diltued craft paints and playing games using original printed paper publications? Because of course you're not just a hypocritical Luddite arbitrarily drawing a line where on one side what matters is whether the product of the technique matches the ethos and so is good and permitted while on the other you decree the products are poisoned by the means used to produce them despite the same logic applying in bother cases, right?
>>97282192>Why the fuck do you need AI to do something
>>97282738Anon you are actually so mad you can't follow a reply chain.
>>97283125Feet, skull faces and shadows seem quite off. It would be good to see the model in action. There's been some low key persistent trolling with the ai posts and getting mad at people for having books.
Anybodny know how big(to eyes level) was classic Bloodthirster?
>>97285042I can't give specific dimensions but here it is beside an Ogre for reference.
>>97285083So, around 4-4,5 cm.
>>97283083>>97283105I like the current ones.
>>97285885shame about the faces all being ":P" because otherwise they're a decent reinterpretation of the older murdernoodle shaped ones.>>97285042Those original greater daemons were small as fuck.
>>97286517Indeed, there is less variation in the faces.
>>97283805Idk who's actually worse at tech support DESUAi or jeets
>>97286517Damn that's a cool Keeper of Secrets. Hate how most of em were just ugly cow heads.
Hey fellas, check it out, I sculpted a psychic hood on an old deathwing sergeant to make a terminator librarian for my Iron Snakes. To ring in the new year I decided to start digging into my to-do pile and get into it with my collection of metal terminators, I've got a squads worth of RT metals, too as well as the terminator captain from 2e/3e. I'll post a few more pictures before I texture the bases and take them outside for a spraying.
>>97288388Here are the RT boys, the captain of the set was pretty badly pitted on the backside, so I needed to do some filling and sculpting for some minor details, that was a good experience for working with green stuff, though.
>>97288394And the rear of the captain model, I've since added a crude start of a powerfist mounted grenade launcher like the proper arm should have, was missing from the kit so I used a different terminator powerfist, I'll show that off later when it's neater looking.
>>97288398Here's the newer terminator captain who'll be taking command on the table, this one is a recast. I had an original once but very stupidly sold him off years ago, I was lucky to find him in the catalogue of one of my regular guys and immediately filed an order. I'm gonna paint him the sickest paper banner ever.
>>97288410That'll be all for now, I have individual shots of each terminator, but I don't want to just spam the thread unless I'm sharing a battle report. How is everyone else doing? Are you getting stuck into your to-do pile, as well? If so what are you working on?
Do you think the squat weapons will fit on orks?
>>97288534Yes.
>>97288598Awesome cheers
>>97237452was this ever a metal sculpt or was it always resin?
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Bile has an apprentice now, 4 more to follow soonish.
>>97288701Forge World kits are always resin, some of the vehicle kits were just additional parts for a plastic kit, though. But never were there any metal kits from them.
>>97288814Really cool, anon, I'm looking forward to seeing the other 4. Will they also be from other legions or will they be more ambiguously evil chaos marines?
>>97289417They'll be Emperor's children, Death guard, Night lords and World eaters.Posted them here before>>97251041
>>97289793Awesome! Didn't notice that post before, looking good, especially keen to see the Night Lord done. But I reckon the World Eater will steal the show.
>>97288970Nta but FW did at some point have photo-etched bits, stuff like aquilas, chapter logos, etc.
>>97288814Fabulous Bill
>>97237452Does oldhammer, this thread and elsewhere, favour any particular of the older editions?
>>97288729he got an axe later>>972898542nd is what you'll find most people doing when it comes to oldhammer 40k, 5th for WHFB though with a few holdouts for 3rd.
Fuck AIOldhammer forever
>>972898543rd edition fantasy, 1st edition 40k
>>97237475>When they implant you with that dollar tree geneseed
>>97249562Looks like it was taken straight out of the pages of an old issue of white dwarf, well done.
>>97291536>>97290432Cheers lads.
>>972898542nd or 3rd.
>>97248874>>97249003>I've literally never read a codex: the posts
>>97290877Is this a Space Crusade Dreadnought?
>>97298412Yes with Space Crusade Chaos Marines, who actually scale quite nicely with the newest
>>97237452If 3e/Early 4e falls under Oldhammer I have a questionIf a Chaplain's Crozius counts as a Power Weapon, would that mean he can't take it from the Armory and dual wield?It's the OG Asmodai model that's throwing me off here because here he's doing it but then the DAngels codex states he only uses a Power Sword
>>97298487It's a moot point, since two power weapons is functionally identical to a power weapon and a close combat weapon.
>>97298487That's a 2nd ed model.
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>>97299545Sorry to hear that Anon. Similar boat but I am not working on my 5th Edition Deldar. Hope things improve on your end.
>>97300059Thanks, deleted the post because I sounded like a whiney bitch and ain't no one wanna hear that so here's the models again, but without me complaining hahaI've 2 Raiders on the way, still got to assemble Lelith, Drazhar, Kruellagh and paint 20 more Kabalites + their heavy weapons. Also have I think 10 Mandrakes still do to. All the ancient 3rd edition models. I'm trying to hunt down the ancient metal Wyches, or find a good, but cheap, way to strip the metal ones I've got sitting about already painted. Fun project thus far. Expensive though haha
>>97300109I've personally bitched a fair bit in /40kg/ this past week. Sometimes we just need to vent before it eats us up inside. With that said, those look good. Always liked the 3e Dark Eldar after reading the codex as a teen. That is a very solid sounding collection as well. You could try either IPA or - maybe- acetone on the Wyches, best to ask /wip/ and not just quote me. The scheme looks very vivid so far, really liking the blades especially. Hope to see more of the project in the future and hope you feel better soon, Anon.
>>97300142Thanks, anon. Also hoping it gets better lol I love how they're coming out so far and look forward to getting stuck into my characters as they're always fun to work on.>You could try either IPA or - maybe- acetone I'm just iffy about stripping them as they were varnished after being painted and not sure if it'll react to stripping stuff weirdly. I don't have to worry, though. Wyches were...odd, in 3rd and 4th and I don't need to work on them any time soon since I've so much to do right now for the Deldar. A concern for the future haha
>>97300157Much appreciated, Anon. They look great and I like the passion you put into your backstory for Syn. I skipped Wyches myself, never really saw the appeal of them. I'm a simple fellow who wants rifles with his boots on the ground. I am sure that when you get around to them you will have some plan come to fruition. Best of luck and thank you again.
This will make a sweet cybork
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>>97300425He's fucking awesome. Love 'em
>>97300109I'm sorry to hear you're going through some hard times, mate, I hope things turn for the better for you soon. I will say though it's nice to see some more Dark Eldar, I've started on building a force of my own out of leftover bits from my 5e collection, long since sold those ones, but the bits remain. Found a nice looking 2e fandex for them, so I'm keen to give that a try in my games this year. No idea what my colour scheme will be, if I should continue my Kabal of the Obsidian Rose like I was doing before, or make up my own idea for a Kabal and colour scheme.Starting with a small raider squad, a dracon, and a talos for now. I'll start building some more infantry tomorrow and maybe even try my hand at scratch building a raider for funsies. If that turns to shit I'll find a discount retailer and grab a few boxes of raiders and ravagers later this month. I'm also thinking of what to do for wytches, either hunt for 3e figure, buy the current plastics again, or find a 3rd party stand in kit or stl.
>>97300798>I'm sorry to hear you're going through some hard times, mate, I hope things turn for the better for you soon.Thanks :)>Kabal of the Obsidian RosPretty kino choice but rather hard to make look good at army level I'd say. It can look really good if done well though.>A DraconShe's actually my second favourite Deldar model ever produced. I've not even dared touch mine because I'm worried I'll fuck her up haha>buy the current plasticsI quite like the plastic Wyches but I want practically everything in my army to be an OG 3rd ed model so you can guess what I'd suggest you do.>TalosI've got a metal one of those, the weird flat one with pincer arms and a tail-gun...thing but I've not even attempted to put it together. The Talos, Scourges and Hellions are the only models I'm going to use the plastics for, hopefully, because they are just horrific to build and magnetise and the Scourges are simply too hard to find in good condition for anything approaching a decent price.
>>97301260>Pretty kino choice but rather hard to make look good at army level I'd say. It can look really good if done well though.Yeah, that's what I found too the first time around. So I think some originality is in order for this incarnation.>She's actually my second favourite Deldar model ever produced. I've not even dared touch mine because I'm worried I'll fuck her up hahaWith metals it's easy street, just drop her in acetone and scrub the slate clean again.>I quite like the plastic Wyches but I want practically everything in my army to be an OG 3rd ed model so you can guess what I'd suggest you do.The 3e ones are nice, I wouldn't mind having some for the army, but it all comes down to what's easier to source, there's also some pretty cool stuff from the 3d party sphere, so I'm leaning towards that at the moment.>I've got a metal one of those, the weird flat one with pincer arms and a tail-gun...thing but I've not even attempted to put it together. The Talos, Scourges and Hellions are the only models I'm going to use the plastics for, hopefully, because they are just horrific to build and magnetise and the Scourges are simply too hard to find in good condition for anything approaching a decent price.Never had a metal Talos, looks horrible to build and keep together, but it looks so damn cool, I built mine from bits and a warmachine cryx unit as the core back before 5e dark eldar got their wave 2 release with the rest of the specialist and vehicle units. Felt so good upon completing it, could never sell it with the rest of the old army. The plastic scourges and helions are fantastic, some of my favourites of the 5e range, great picks.
>>97298433Nice.
ive had this chaplain for 26 years. had to give him a new plastic arm tho.
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>>97300039>floating artilleryoh i hate that
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>>97305442Yeah honestly only thing that bugs me about that army too, otherwise its amazing
>>97305017That's a pretty nice looking chaplain there, the powerfist really works with his pose, gives him a lurching, dreadful countenance. Despite being painted as the trademarked good-boys faction he exudes a real feeling of danger & menace. And I applaud your use of hi-gloss. Nigel Stillman would be proud. Here's some fantasy hi-gloss in salute.
>>97237452looked into the pastebin and I got a question, is the collection of stls there all 3d scans or only some of them? and how big is the archive?I ask as ive been on a quest for a while now to find authentic 3d scans of oldhammer models for archival and personal reasons. im still probably gonna download but would like to know.
>>97306729This is one of those ones where I just desperately want to ask the guy what he was fucking thinking. What on Earth is the mental through-line from Top Hat to an Eldar Dread?
>>97300157I’ve not had issues with ipa and varnish though some old spaycans of it might prove different, certainly a few primers leave more on the model than others. However I would recommend acetone for metal models, it will remove all the super glue as well and they will come out looking pristine. Restoring minis is extremely gratifying to me and acetone on metal is about as easy and effective as that process gets, it takes maybe ten minutes. Beware that the toothbrush will flick tiny speckles of paint that will reharden so pick your workspace accordingly. Personally I use a stainless steel sink that I then wipe off with paper towel and more of the solvent.N.b. acetone will DESTROY any plastic components like the bases. You will likely lose at least some of them during removal as they tend to snap around the attachment tab in my experience.
>>97309442The old metal Eldar Dreadnought was infamously hard to pose and the legs had a distressing tendency to bend for no fucking reason. So there was a bit of a community meme about "tap-dancing Dreadnoughts" up until the new plastics showed up.
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>>97311000The tin was too weak for the weight of the body!
I like the ancient Grotesque models.
>>97317605Got one from years ago at an RPG convention, they're not bad little dudes, for sure.
>>97321597Paul Bonner was a real 'get' for them, fantastic artist. On a related note, It's been fun watching interviews with a bunch of these old artists popping up in recent years. It's amazing just how many good ones worked for GW at some point (kind of like how many later legends wrote/drew for 2000AD).
>>97331634Sexy. Must've been hard to do but worth it.
>>97331634Rare to see one where the knife hasn't snapped off
>>97332421>>97332328It's a Lamenter so you know the painter suffered making it. The Mk.V is just a damn nice armour, all those cables and studs yet not over-burdened with tat and icons, leans into the weird look of some of that early RT art.
>>97251041anon, your minis are an inspiration and i wished i knew how you made them.
field police I think from the logo/helmet stripe?
I still think it's funny that the Mentor Legion could actually just be ported back with their original fluff again to modern 40k and they'd fit in again now
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I got my hands on an old chimera recently, so I decided to use one of the two chaos renegade models I found still in a blister pack last year to make a funky looking mounted chaos lord. He's not perfect, I missed a couple mould lines and had to scrape & repair them late in the process and I could probably have painted him better, but I think the end result is pretty cool. I wish I could have given him a chaos backpac too, but seeing as he's going to be used for Fantasy it's probably fine.
>>97339270Nice mini. I wish I had the ram head. I've got lion, snake and boar.
Got a game on Tuesday for some 2e40k action, 1500 points and I'm trialing one of the Dark Eldar 2e fandex lists I've found, this first one is built off and adapts 5e army list, the other two are built off adapting the 3e army list. We'll see how things go with these test games. I'm going to need to come up with 2 scratch built raiders and a ravager in time for it, though, I've got an idea on how to accomplish that, too. So fingers crossed I can get that done! Otherwise I'll just rewrite the test list to something else.Here's a shot of my Kabal so far, finished the assembly this afternoon, 55 dark eldar warriors, 2 Archons/Dracons, a raider and a kitbashed Talos I built during the 5e codex release and range refresh, the pain engines weren't coming till 2nd release wave so I needed to come up with a solution for the lack of one until then. Tomorrow arvo I'll base and prime them all, except the Talos, he'll just get some painting done on him... 17 years after I built him.
>>97341788Post up the army list itself? I'm curious to see what it's like with stats and such, and what you're taking.Any idea what you're facing?
>>97345752>Post up the army list itself? I'm curious to see what it's like with stats and such, and what you're taking.Certainly! It's the 2e Dark Eldar fandex by "Grim Squeaker" which tells me nothing, but it's built off the 5e+ dark eldar army list, I included a screenshot of the cover for reference.Dark Eldar Fandex list 1500 points.Characters:Archon: 174Strategy Rating 4.Splinter Pistol, Frag Grenades, Blind Grenades, Plasma Grenades, Agonizer, Poisoned Blade.Dark Eldar Combat Drugs:Painbringer: +1 TWargear Cards:Shadowfield: 2+ save until first failed roll, then generator burns out for the rest of the game.Combat Drugs, generic cocktail: Mx2, Ix2, Ax2, +1T, +1S. End of turn roll D6, 5-6 take a wound and lose drug frenzy effect.Armour of Misery: 3+ save, additionally, subtract 1 from enemies hand-to-hand combat score against the wearer.Squads:Kabalite Warriors: 1767 warriors with splinter rifles and frag grenades, 1 warrior with blaster and frag grenades, 1 warrior with splinter cannon and frag grenades. Sybrabite with splinter rifle and frag grenades.Kabalite Warriors: 1767 warriors with Splinter Rifles and frag grenades, 1 warrior with Blaster and frag grenades, 1 warrior with Splinter Cannon and frag grenades. Sybrabite with Splinter Rifle and frag grenades.Kabalite Warriors: 1838 warriors with splinter rifles and frag grenades, 1 warrior with Dark Lance and frag grenades. Sybrabite with splinter rifle and frag grenades.Incubi: 1686 Incubi, 1 Klaivex.Support:Talos: 165Chain Flails.Raider: 130Disintegrator Cannon, Aethersails, Grisly Trophies, Flickerfield.Raider: 130Disintegrator Cannon, Aethersails, Grisly Trophies, Flickerfield.Raider: 130Disintegrator Cannon, Aethersails, Grisly Trophies, Flickerfield.Ravager: 1953 Dark Lances, Aethersails, Flickerfield, Ablative Armour.Total: 1,500.>Any idea what you're facing?None whatsoever, but I reckon it'll be orks though chaos marines isn't out of the question either.
>>97345752My rationale is to bundle the Blaster/Splitercannon squads in a pair of raiders and push them up the table to contest and harrass the shit out of things, while the dark lance squad hangs back to snipe heavier shit. Archon and incubi are in the last raider and the Talos will act as a counter attack force where ever I get bogged down by the enemy. Ravager provides highly mobile anti armour/anti terminator/meganob platform. And hopefully, this gets me a win, but the ultimate is to see how fun this particular fandex is.
>>97346036>1500 pointsAnd what would you field with 500 points?
>>97347897I'd take the archon again, stripped down of wargear and shit, he'd be there to agonise something to death. I'd take a raider squad, but drop one of the upgrades on the skimmer for points, a smaller warrior squad to sneak around for some opportunity plays. List would look like this...Dark Eldar 500 points.Characters:Archon: 99Splinter pistol, Agoniser, ghostplate armour, plasma and frag grenades.Squads:Kabalite Warriors: 1767 warriors with Splinter Rifles and frag grenades, 1 warrior with Blaster and frag grenades, 1 warrior with Splinter Cannon and frag grenades. Sybrabite with Splinter Rifle and frag grenades.Kabalite Warriors: 983 warriors with Splinter Rifles and frag grenades, 1 warrior with Blaster and frag grenades, Syrabite with Splinter Rifle and frag grenades.Support:Raider: 110Distinegrator Cannon, Aethersails, Flickerfields.Allies:Total: 483A bit of points left over to work with for maybe a bit of extra wargear on the archon or another upgrade on the raider.
News from the front, played the trial game with the new deldar fandex and was not impressed, from the anemic character selection, to the missing rules reference and never elaborated, it just made for a particularly unfun experience. Though on a positive note the armoury was well composed, using my weapons available to me really did sell what they're supposed to be. The darklight guns(dark lance and blaster) were the high impact anti-armour/heavy infantry pieces they're supposed to be, the splinter weapons are a good high volume of fire and moderate and reliable damage like they should be, disintegrator cannons on my raiders were great, the 2 sustained fire dice for them is a damn good feel.Next week will see me using the Codex Commoraghii fandex from 2008, this one was written off of the 3e army list and cleaves closer to 2e design principles, so maybe this will feel better than this 5e+ derived fandex I used today, the week after that see's me using the oldest of the bunch, a fandex written in 2000, still with 2e fresh in mind. From these games I'll determine either the list most aligned with what I want out of dark eldar in 2e or a foundation for me to iterate my own idea of what they should be.
>>97354264Well that sucks, So what's the differences with the older list? Has your army list changed? Unit stats different at all?
>>97354264Reading this makes me smile inside.I started 40k on 2e, and the fact that people still rock it to this day brings me a soft joy.
>>97346036>Raider: 130>Disintegrator Cannon, Aethersails, Grisly Trophies, Flickerfield.>Raider: 130>Disintegrator Cannon, Aethersails, Grisly Trophies, Flickerfield.>Raider: 130>Disintegrator Cannon, Aethersails, Grisly Trophies, Flickerfield.I assume grisly trophies and flickerfield are vehicle cards. You can't have the same combination of vehicle cards more than once.
>>97357464Nope, not vehicle cards, upgrades on the unit entry itself. This codex is odd, it only superficially conforms to 2e design, and largely feels like it was only a change to weapon profiles and point costs. These upgrades don't exist in the other lists, so they won't be a factor going forward.>>97356055The differences are in which editions it's backporting from and how closely it aligns to 2e design pricples. The older 2 lists are based off of the 3e codex, so a difference in vehicle upgrades and unit details, as well as the character selections. I'm inclined to go with one of these two in the end, even if only as a foundation to my own efforts at a dark eldar fandex.>>97356270It's still a damn good game, I started much later, 4th edition is where I truly was able to really "get it" and actually play the game, so I was already far removed from what 2e was. But even still, picking it up after a chance encounter with one of the anons lurking this thread and playing it out for roughly a year shows that we is still a very good and comprehensive wargame. Definitely something I want to try and grow here in my city.
>>97356055>Has your army list changed?I missed this part, sorry. No, I will be going with the same list as presented above, changed where it must be in regard to vehicle and unit upgrades where they must be. I reckon it'll give clearer understanding if I have things consistent like that. I also have limited models, just the stuff I built from my left over bits and whatever I can attempt to scratch build for vehicles.
I painted the coolest chaos warrior ever sculpted the other day. He'll be my chaos lord from now on.
>>97362973I love the skelly-diver sword
>>97283745In a word, Yes.I play almost exclusively with original cast lead figures from the 1980s (Except for the ones I've sculpted and cast myself), and I run my games (usually Realm of Chaos) from the original printed books.It is not always possible to find everything needed to run a game from the appropriate vintage, in which case some substitutes are unavoidable, but it is best to TRY to keep to the original materials whenever possible, or failing that modern reproductions in the style of those better days. Anything made with a computer is just not as good, you can feel the difference in your hand. Cast metal miniatures will ALWAYS be better than 3d prints, on both an aesthetic and technical level. I will always prefer artwork created by hand to anything made with software and computers, the machine just sucks the soul right out of it.I encourage my friends I play with to do the same, but I understand it takes a certain dedication that not everybody has so a couple years ago I started branching out my collection to include figures that my friends would often want to use, or monsters and creatures we might face in encounters & scenarios.I do not feel the need to track down original 1980s GW paints because A. They are a perishable commodity unlike metal miniatures which can more reasonably be expected to survive the decades, and B. GW has hardly changed or improved their paint formula at all in the past forty odd years, they've just steadily deteriorated the quality of the packaging and branding.I am not a hypocrite, but I am absolutely a Luddite, a Neo-Luddite if you will. I've tried it both ways and I can safely say from personal experience that the game is much more satisfying when played this way.
