humans are boring nuff said
>>97244827Then why do you make your "non-human" characters like humans?
>>97244836i dont actually... but some people get pissed off and call it "too complex" or some other bs
>>97244849no, you do.
>>97244836I once started quoting a Elbereth gilthoniel as part of my elven bard's attacksI have severe autism.
>>97244849So they don't stand on two legs, don't communicate through language, don't use weapons, and don't adhere to concepts of philosophy, politics, or society?
If you fail to make humans interesting, it says more about (you) than anyone else. If says that (you) fundamentally fail to create a interesting character, despite being handed a unfathomable wide range of possible concepts to pick and choose from.It means the entire appeal you are able to create with a character doesnt come from his or her inherent traits, the personality or the background, but from purely cosmetic factors like "look, this guy as horns and tails and over there is a drow girl!"If you cant make a human interesting, you wont be able to make anything else interesting either.
>>97244827>"Humans are boring">posts nonhumanWhat did she mean by this?
>>97244827Every "nonhuman" race are just humans+
>>97244885If you can't prove your characters aren't like humans, you can't say humans are boring.
>>97244827Yes humans are boring, but if everyone was interesting, no one would be
Humans should be boring so people like >>97244903 can feel special.
>>97244827Haven't really encountered many players who make a non-human anything notably non-human. Doesn't bother me, its just accessories, but the main tendency is to use 'race' as 'special hat' that 9 times out of 10 gets forgotten during play.
Boring is a function of the preferences and interests of the subject. Not a characteristic of the object. Something is boring *to you*. And that's fine. We don't all have to have the same tastes or experiences. My personal preference is that people stop spamming this board with low quality bait. This discussion has been had a million times and it always ends in the same stale "arguments" until it bleeds out. Just remember that this whole fight is pointless, and that some shitty world building thread died to make room for it.
>>97244849No you do actually
>>97244887This is just cope on the level of saying you're playing a human if your non-human even has hands or two eyes.
>>97244827> the only creature ensouled with infinity> boringAn elf started this thread and is mad that he is destined to be left behind as the shade of a former realm while Man treads the ages under his jasper feet.
>>97245213What you said isn't what I said.Learn how to read, or shut the fuck up.
>>97245227>but I did have breakfast this morning
>>97244836Humans are just dialed up apes, which themselves have behavior common to other animals too. What people usually say is human exclusive behavior, really isn't at all but is pushed exactly because humans have a need to feel special and distinct from other life.
>>97244827>t. Tiefling with heterochromia and white hairNon-humans are just second life avatars designed after the player's fetishes
>>97245337That doesn't really help the case that non-human characters are somehow intrinsically less boring than humans.
My games only have humans and human adjacent (elves/dwarfs) races. My players never had a problem with roleplay, and the only people who get mad about it are freakshitters who think appearance = personality.
>>97244887ur fucking retarded
>>97245380ur boring and retarded nuff said lol
>>97244827All your sparkledog races are just star-trek rubber forehead aliens with one-note personalities, based on human traits.You are gay and retarded, and very, very tiresome.
>>97244827If your "non-humans" still walk on two legs and don't have feathers, then I'm sorry to tell you, but you're still playing a human.
>>97245380I don't understand people who are still into elves and dwarves when they are literally spammed everywhere.
>>97245354They are less boring because they are less common, non-humans in media as a focus are extreme outliers because a human protag is usually forced for relatability/marketing purposes ontop of being easiest to self insert with.
>>97245459People like things they're familiar with and trying to replace them with your super cool original race isn't worth the trouble if you just want to get a game going.
>>97245482They're still the same traits, though, so it shouldn't matter whether the character is human or not.
>>97245482Do not mistake novelty for depth
>>97245227It would be easy for me to roleplay a dragon, because I am not a dragon.
>>97245354It does, because it offers a template to show more alien, interesting aspects of non-human species. As humans are basically just anthro apes, other creatures are anthropomorphized versions of other species. For example, a Kobold would likely have lizard-like tendencies and think completely differently to a human beyond the basics of sapience. But we all know you don't care about that, so because you're autistic I'll use a different argument: mechanics. Humans are forced into the role of the "default" and thus are not allowed to have any interesting or creative mechanical abilities. Non-human options, regardless of system, are typically given some sort of mechanical ability that just makes them the better choice in most situations; darkvision, resistance to magic or damage, some sort of inherent magical spells or elemental damage, more equipment they can use innately, specialized skills, different mobility options, natural weapons, all sorts of fun, interesting mechanical choices that make non-humans more interesting than humans.
>>97245306It's exactly what you said. You're so retarded you just said that humans are the only species that walks on two legs which is just objectively wrong even in the real world. Like:>Don't stand on two legsBirds do this, many dinosaurs did this, non-human primates have done and currently do this. This is not an exclusively human trait.>don't communicate through languageEven other animals do this, though I suspect by language you're referring to dialects instead in which case that's also incorrect, as some birds are capable of mimicking human speech, and some corvids are capable of doing so in a manner that boders on if not is understanding of that speech. Many animals do communicate with sounds however.>don't use weaponsAgain, not an exclusively human trait. Many primates use them, and even some corvids have shown tool use. Some octopi have figured out how to operate man-made stuff like latches too.>don't adhere to concepts of philosophy, politics, These are more the result of sapience, which humans are the only sapient creatures we're aware of in our world. However, this is not the case in fantasy settings.>or societyPlenty of animals have society as a concept, lots of mammals do as do insects and some birds and fish, though on a far more primitive level than what we have. So again, not exclusively human.>>97245337 hit the nail on the head.
>>97245599>It does, because it offers a template to show more alien, interesting aspects of non-human species. As humans are basically just anthro apes, other creatures are anthropomorphized versions of other species. For example, a Kobold would likely have lizard-like tendencies and think completely differently to a human beyond the basics of sapience. That usually isn't how it actually works out, though, and you know it. For all their talk about logic and shit, Vulcans in Star Trek still think very much like humans albeit more autistically. For all that most stories have orcs fixated solely on might makes right and lacking empathy, they still often have family bonds and friendships. And for all the talks about dragons having cold lizard-like intelligence emphasized on playing the long game due to a lack of natural predators and fear, they still often get written to be just as impulsive, petty, and small-mindedly greedy as any bog-standard human. That's the point. Humans may be "boring", but 80% of the kind of autists that make that point are incapable of trying to write anything that doesn't inevitably conform to that same human mindset.
>>97245450And they're still more interesting than jack of all trades generic glup shitto humans. Human is the NPC race, plain and simple.
>>97245615>That usually isn't how it actually works out, though, and you know it.Sounds like a skill issue on your part.>For all their talk about logic and shit, Vulcans in Star Trek still think very much like humans albeit more autistically. Yeah, and they're literally just humans with pointy ears.>For all that most stories have orcs fixated solely on might makes right and lacking empathy, they still often have family bonds and friendships. Which, again, is not an exclusively human trait. Lots of IRL animals have empathy and form familial or friendly bonds with others. The fuck do you think makes humans like dogs so much?>And for all the talks about dragons having cold lizard-like intelligence emphasized on playing the long game due to a lack of natural predators and fear, they still often get written to be just as impulsive, petty, and small-mindedly greedy as any bog-standard human.Because they're not one-note machines that can be lumped into a sterotype, and you can easily argue that shortsightedness is due to arrogance from their nature. In their eyes, there's no reason not to act on a whim because what's going to stop them? Perfectly logical.>Humans may be "boring", but 80% of the kind of autists that make that point are incapable of trying to write anything that doesn't inevitably conform to that same human mindset.No, you're just a retard who assigns a bunch of shit that isn't inherently human to humans.
>>97245641>Sounds like a skill issue on your part.>No, you're just a retard who assigns a bunch of shit that isn't inherently human to humans.Dude, you're literally projecting. I'm not the one complaining about humans being in media written by, gasp, humans. That's you, you fucking idiot.
>>97245623>glup shitto>fandom term used to refer to side characters with outlandish names and designs that add nothing to narrative despite all attempts to stand out>used to refer to humans who are being defined by anon as generic and forgettable due to a lack of stand-out qualitiesIf that isn't a mixed message or a sign you need to actually examine your own head, I don't know what is.
>>97244827Well I'm not going to play as a black person or a woman
>>97245649I'm complaining about humans being written as normal humans in a world where non-humans that are essentially Human+ exist.If your humans are jacks of all trades, then they're badly written and boring. Give them a niche like everyone else, force them to hyper-specialize because otherwise it doesn't make sense for them to even exist (not like it does in most fantasy settings anyway; even the stock standard Dwarves/elves/orcs combo would drive humanity to extinction like we did neanderthal because they have night vision and absolutely would kill the shit out of us).>WAHHH MISANTHROPICShut up you tard, I'm making an observation based on how humans from our world would deal with creatures that are as capable as humans but with significant biological advantages over us. If you can't accept that, cope and seethe and fuck off.>>97245663>fandom term used to refer to side characters with outlandish names and designs that add nothing to narrative despite all attempts to stand outThat's not what it means. It means a nobody, a background character, someone who nobody but the most die-hard fans care about. It was coined in mockery of how Star Wars has a bunch of useless, pointless lore for every single background character. Humans are THE Glup shitto race, played by faggots who want to pretend they're somehow important or capable when they're surrounded by more important, more capable individuals. It's like playing a nigger in a party of aryans, since that's probably something you can understand since you're a /pol/shitter no games.
>>97245688Honestly, dude, I think that you're projecting your own lack of capacity to write interesting people as a flaw of humanity, rather than a flaw in your own limited thinking. Namely how you seem to equate substituting species for depth, despite acknowledging many traits found in humans can be found in other species which does not make those other species automatically more interesting either. You should probably take a creative writing class. Or at least touch grass.
>>97245663You don't know what a glup shitto is lol. Once upon a time, fucking Bobba Fett was a glup shitto.
>>97245722So, it's a worthless fandom term, got it
>>97244827https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYsMjEeEg4g?t=164
>>97245688>I'm complaining about humans being written as normal humans in a world where non-humans that are essentially Human+ exist.40k humans are exactly this, the weakest shittiest species in the galaxy that only got far because they’re basically a swarm of rats (and because they have plot armor). But otherwise they have no specialty and are very “middle ground” in terms of ability compared to xenos. You can write them “well” its entirely dependent on the skill of the writer.
