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Werewolves are actually just magical girls and it really cracks me up.
>>97249820They are guys who lost their soul and mind completely to their Bane, a final merger/consuming of their soul. They may look human but all they are the Bane possesed mockery. There are exceptions of course. There are Fomori who might keep hold of their Soul or have enough Faith to still be of themselves. See image.
Which antediluvian is the weakest and easy to bully bitch?
>>97250371There is no one in WoD who is more of a pussy than Saulot.
>>97250371Ravnos actually got KWAB'd Toreadors are all pussies
>>97250331Nothing stopping you from running Cyber Realm werewolves but if you meant in the official capacity, I can only suspect Mage 5 and further WoD5 supplements are going to neuter all the cosmological bullshit going on with the setting. At the most, perhaps some autistic fan will take over instead of the current nepo hires and we'll get shit in good taste. This is basically a monkey's paw though, as I suspect it won't be entirely an upside.>>97250356>can't turn to werewolves because they'll just kill you>can't turn to Fae because you have no idea they exist and your previous wagie life is probably a cognitohazard to them>Mages are too schizophrenic to help you>Mummies may try to help, if they exist>Your overlords will kill you if they find out>even if a fellow unpossessed rolls around, you'll basically be on the shitlist for potentially being able to out them and secure your standing a bit longerBy far, quite possibly, the single biggest hidden flaw in the entire merit list. This is like the reverse short-king Mage.
>>97250371Absimilard. Just comment on his anything and watch the meltie.
Trying a second time:Fellow Kolduns, what are your favourite rituals? Looking for levels 1-3.
>>97250380>Ravnos actually got KWAB'd That's only because he was starving and freshly awoken. With enough prep-time, he would've won the Week of Nightmares.
I can't believe for a moment that vampires would be able to maintain the Masquerade in the 21st century.
>>97250371Absimilard. Dracen is a thin-skinned little bitch but none compare to Absimilard's weak-willed vanity. Zillah should've killed him.
>>97250413>So uh guys the vampire apocalypse happened in 2007>I don't believe it, that feels way too contrived and early>But I also believe that vampires would not be able to survive the invention of the smartphone camera because it would break the masquerade>iPhone released in 2007MAKE IT MAKE SENSE
>>97250356So like Angel from Buffy?
>>97250413Given how people irl already forgot the literal jew tunnels under New York it's most likely they'd completely ignore vampires existing just because the NWO mass media said so, no Mind procedure needed.
>>97250413You could go the GitS route and explain that most people don't believe randos on the Internet due to how easily fake footage can be made Vampires would only struggle between the camera phone and AI image generation era
>>97250371Including pretenders? Giovanni. He doesn't have the important half of the Antediluvian he "diablerized", the soul and Time of Judgement, the book that makes Antediluvians looks like beasts, basically mocks him.
>>97250413With the overall amount of disinfo and slop churned out that even normies would believe word of mouth over legacy media along with more and more murders being unsolved these days, it wouldn't be too hard for the masquerade to adapt
>>97250371lasombra unironically grew back his emotions in his old age and got kwab'd for it
>>97250492Source?
What's actually bad about V5? Can anyone put it into words?
>>97250413the only people who'd realistically pay enough attention to see through it are easily bullied nerd and the schizophrenics that end up as magesit's been proven time and time again that people don't give a shit about le truth or whatever
Since VtM doesn't have any ice focused clans/disciplines/blood sorcery paths (Koldunic only has one ice power in air path so I don't count that), do you guys have any experience with homebrew something that does ice well?
>>97250497a harpy who spoke to a malkavian who had a dream about this told me
>>97250517do a mountain based koldun kraina and bring the mountain blizzard with you wherever you go
>>97250287Hatefuck, maybe. Except for the Balance Wyrm, that's one still thinks that he can fix her.
>>97250515>in WoD there's several 4chan posts worth of Masquerade breaches>it's all Nosferatu running damage control or spreading false rumors along with schizophrenics with pattern seeking brains (anons)Would 4chan just be Nos running damage control against each other in WoD?
>>97250561it's the easily bullied computer nerds of every faction thinking they're spreading heckin epic misinformation and that all the other anons who aren't from their discord are just normal humans playing along and not actually other mythical creatures
>>97250561It's Syndicate-operated information control.
>>97250589Hermetics never stop losing lmao
>>97250574Mummies yet again left out of the discussion>>97250589Why does Mage have it out for the Hermetics so badly? Is it because they're anti-Tremere?
>>97250635Mummies are undead cowboy cops that's role is sorta overshadowed by the mages
If only /wodg/ understood the meaning of Carthage.
More people have bought Changeling 20 than anything Mage related per DriveThruRPG.
>>97250668Changeling does seem easier to play, but iirc Mage 20 has very retarded explanations for the spheres. For some reason Mage still seems more popular culturally though? I can't really explain it.
>>97250664Please, enlighten me.
>>97250683Mage has more secondaries than Changeling has players, but Changeling has more players than Mage has players.Changeling secondaries basically don't exist.
>>97250664>Brujah-run shithole with infernalists running amok
>>97250704>he doesn't get itHeh.
>>97250687We wuz scholars and shit
>>97250486Why doesn't Tremere get this treatment apart from the obvious reasons?
>>97250721The obvious reasons. He's the writer's pet.
>>97250668Curseborne is in second place on the Bestsellers list, so I'm pretty sure it only counts recent sales. Maybe some Youtuber mentioned Changeling recently, and it shot up.
>>97250743This is cope. You're refusing to acknowledge the meteoric popularity of Curseborne, which is leaving WoD and CofD combined in the dust. You're all missing out on the TTRPG of the decade.
>>97250690>Mage has more secondariesFrom where? Outside Norfolk Wizard Game, which is nice but a bit slow. I can agree with you on Changeling secondaries though, basically non-existent media.
>>97250720>We wuz scholars and shit>It's the scholarly thing to eat babies in giant blood rituals>mfw it's clearly morally righteous to eat the innocent under God's light>mfw what do you mean Carthage is burning and it's all my fault?
>>97250770White room power level autists. Whenever people talk about TTRPGs with highest available power level, MtAs and MtAw both come up every time, which piques the interest of people who enjoy discussing this stuff. So there's loads of people who have never played a game of Mage but familiarised themselves with Mage just because they're so theoretically powerful.
>>97250764>CurseborneEvery single time I try reading it and getting into it, it just seems like WoD-lite but easier to run. It's kind of lacking edge for me, though I'm sure that makes it easier to pick up for some people.
>>97250770a mage in pop culture terms is an scp type green, which is much easier to wrap your head around and less limited flavour wise than whatever the fuck a changeling doesthis means that mage is very fun to think about and imagine scenarios with see: this thread
>>97250785>MtAs and MtAw to this day i never understood the difference between those twowhen there's mage discussion here i can never infer from context what the differences are like i learned to tell between ctd and ctl or wta and wtotherthing
A hunter announces to a clan that he has located their antediluvian and placed a nuclear payload at their location. If the clan does not play nice and stop feeding from humans without consent, he will detonate the payload and cause the clan to go insane and destroy itself, like the Ravnos during the Week of Nightmares. He is not lying and he is not bluffing.How would each of the clans react to this knowledge?
>>97250793>>97250785Interesting takes anons, thank you. I just figure changeling would be harder to run because it's innately kind of otherkin cringe. Which don't get me wrong, it is based to engage in that sort of cringe willingly and enjoy it, but I can see why many potential players might see the premise and not want to get into it. I know white human male fighter is extremely popular in DnD among other things for instance, probably because of some fear of being cringe playing non-humans. I prefer dark and sea elves and some more monstrous types personally, but I can understand the issue. Somewhat surprising then. Then again, all of WoD is sort of engaging in purposefully cringe larping with secret society stuff.
>>97250820Ventrue>Ventrue isn't real, lol.Toreadors>On hands and knees begging, probablyMalkavians>Hunter green fart go goNosferatu>Finally, thank you. Stupid cunt. Will also dox the Hunter anyway.No clue for the rest, probably.
>>97250820>nosferatu start feeding like crazy, rape the hunter's dog and eat his wife
>>97250813Awakening feels like a game with poorly defined goals for players. I have no idea what a typical gameplay loop of it would look like. I know the Seers of the Throne are the bad guy group but I don't think they have a powerful standing like the Technocracy to make them an imminent threat?
>>97250813Ascension is about consensual reality and trying to control what humanity believes, in order to shape reality into what the winner wants it to be.Awakening is about trying to reach the source code of reality, access to which has been cruelly denied by the first mages who jealously guard the source of their near-infinite power.
>>97250898I've heard Awakening described as playing Jojo's Bizarre Adventure the RPG before.
>>97250813Ascension Mages are absolute losers, who by RAW need a shitload of dots in multiple spheres to do anything remotely cool. Other splats can countermagic them with occult, Garou can do anything the spirit sphere can do with the right gifts, vampires can steal their sphere magic with a ritual, and their ultrawanked technocracy caused the dearh of their own heavyweights the one time they tried to actually throw their supposed power around.They delude themselves with talk of ascension and rewriting reality but are just delusional quacks and Revised Sorcerers are literally better.Awakening Mages are the gigachads and undisputed masters of their setting and shit all over every other splats at normal levels and get to literally retcon reality at archmage level.Other splats delude themselves that they matter while seething inside because their women lust for the Big Mage Cock of the Awakened.In summation play Ascension if you want to sit in the cuck chair and watch your gf get plowed by a Silver Fang or Tremere while coping that one day you'll shift consensus to not be a loser. Play Awakening if you want to be a gigachad who knows the objective truth of the universe and has a harem of uratha genki girls, vampire goth mommies, changeling manic pixie dream girls and others who fawn over you.
Imagine playing as an auspex clan vampire.Ugh.
>>97250970What if you want to get plowed by the Silver Fang instead? Or more accurately plow him.
>>97251025>What if you want to get plowed by the Silver Fang instead?At the end of a long campaign maybe you'll scrounge up enough exp to get the absurd amount of spheres necessary to turn yourself into a cute girl and the Silver Fang will let his Metis cousin frenzy rape you.Alternatively you can do it at the start of the campaign if you find a benevolent Tzimisce to do it with his superior fleshcrafting instead.>Or more accurately plow him.Ascension Mages are cuck losers and never get to be the ones doing the fucking.
>>97250832>spoilertry siren
>>97250970>revised sorcererI don't really like how people glaze linear sorcerers based on a RaW exploit that's basically the "alchemy-enchanting" loop from The Elder Scrolls. It sells an illusion of them being way more powerful than they are in lore, which sort of defeats the appeal of them>>97251025Either Mind or Life to make him horny>spoilerMind, just to be safe
>>97251105>Not simply charming your way into a closeted homosexual's pantsYou lack sway.>>97251241I had meant what splat, but thank you I suppose. Mind seems a bit rapey, but if it's the only safe way it is what it is.
>>97250991My Auspex sense is tingling...
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>>97251289Non-Auspex sissies could never comprehend getting to see into the spiritual realm the way Auspex chads can.
>>97251241I'm not talking about the alchemy enchanting exploit. Just the fact that a five dotted sorcery path is actually usable and good, has no paradox and doesn't need 3-4 other spheres to drive anything cool makes it better than M20 awakened magic.Then you add the fact that you can become another splat like a vamp or a skin dancer with it? Now it's MUCH better. Ascension cucks can't even be ghouls without crippling their already pathetic powers.
>>97251294Mephistophelean Minx is fun, if only so that you can incidentally kill random kids and get more plot hooks that way.
>>97250970fine speech
>>97251330>Do ya really wanna, do ya really wanna taste it?
>>97251305>become another splat as a sorcererIIRC don't you lose all Numina? Unsure of how it works in CofD but I remember you can't be two splats, even minor ones, at the same time.
>>97251317>if only so that you can incidentally kill random kids>highest humanity tzimisce
>>97251277>Implying ascension cucks could ever seduce anyone before starting to sperg out about their stupid consensus and making them flee in disgustYou can't even mind control them into liking you because by M20 RAW mind control magic is useless.Meanwhile the chad Thyrsus is is balls deep in his Uratha harem and the chad Moros is getting a sloppy toppy from the prince after turning a parliament of Strix into pets.>>97251344Nope. Fera at the very least can use numina as written in the Bastet book. In CofD you cannot but given how obscenely powerful awakeningchad's Arcana are do you really need anything else?
>>97251305Awakened magic is easier to use on the fly than linear sorcery, though. You need a ton of prep to get the most of any path and the power ceiling is (at least rules as intended) to be much lower than true magic. Also:>comparing M20 to Revised materialThat doesn't sound really "fair", mages got nerfed hard in 20th anniversary, they even had to do a sorcerer20 to bring them to the same level>>97251344Afaik that's the intention in Sorcerer Revised. They don't outright say so, but the book basically tells that none of the major splats use linear sorcery (but it's ultimately up to the storyteller)
>>97251358Tell me one Tzimisce who even pretends to be high humanity? There is no such thing as the conscientious Tzimisce.
