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>>97258020
>Which obscure conflict would you like to collect miniatures for and get a game going?

WW2 russian campaign.

Howdy, I'm looking to maybe get into a WW2 dogfighting game with my fiance. We are looking at wings of glory and blood red skies. What exactly am I looking at for each, and which would you personally recommend and why? I'm open to suggestions

>>97258020
The Anglo-Russian invasion of Holland during the Napoleonic wars.

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Does anyone have a copy of (pic related)? - Hail Caesar: Rome's Conquest of the East.

>>97259539
>fiance
Faggot

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>>97258020
>Which obscure conflict would you like to collect miniatures for and get a game going?
Bronze Age collapse

I just painted my first minis ever. I'm painting 15mm Germans and Americans. It looks meh. Besides the stupid skin tone which I will fix after buying some more paint tomorrow, what can I improve? (The base isn't primed yet, ignore that)

>>97258020
>Which obscure conflict would you like to collect miniatures for and get a game going?
Dunno really, more interested in good rules rather than particular eras which tends to push me towards popular eras with more attention from rules writers. Sam Mustafa's Aurelian is on the cards down the track though, and I'd love to run Over The Hills and Far Away but that would be a big project readying it.

anyone know any cults/my mini factory makers of 30yw/english civil war era miniatures? Thus far Atlantic Games has a pretty solid line of renaissance era stls, and I've found the odd miniature arquebusier character on cults, but not much else.

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>>97259539
Wing of Glory is pretty simplified and you need specific sets of cards for each aircraft. Expensive and limited options with aircraft. It is a "programming" game, where each player plays 3 cards with movement arrows on them, then players reveal 1 card at a time simultaneously, and their aircraft makes the move.

Blood Red Skies is also quite simplified, there is no altitude or speed, aircraft are either 'advantaged' 'disadvantaged' or 'neutral', and the flight stand tilts the aircraft forward or backward to represent this.

If you want something that actually has altitude and speed taken into account, and has pretty much every WW2 aircraft (including bombers, ground attack, night fighters) - Lacquered Coffins might be the way to go. It tracks speed and altitude with 2 dice on the base of an aircraft, and is dead simple to play, no custom cards or flight stands required.

Also how that fuck are people posting with these new Captcha's....

>>97262898
>new captcha
I love the new captcha and have been able to solve them 10x faster than any of the previous version for the last decade. I find it hilarious when I see people complaining about them, because they are just very simple patterns and puzzles. Admitting you find them hard is outting yourself for having a low IQ. IQ of course being traditionally tested by measuring your ability to solve shape puzzles and patterns

>>97263004
Did you notice that he was able to solve the captcha to post?
Did you notice the quality of his contribution compared to yours?

>>97261797
Doesn't look too bad, pretty nice camo for your first minis. Remember the camera sees a lot more than anyone would in real life.
I wouldn't bother with the individual fingers like you did on the 2nd guy, looks kinda weird, just make it all skintone. You can do a highlight on the knuckles if you really want to. The 2nd guy's gun could do with a bit more brown maybe, it blends in with the uniform a lot.
Don't forget to paint the figure bases. You got some splotches on there which is normal. Put a thin coat of some dark colour, green or grey, over to cover this and tie the squad together.

>>97261797
I agree with the other anon, not too shabby for your first miniatures at all! You could also consider a quick wash with a brown tone over the top, this can really bring more definition to a mini quickly.

>>97262713
Might not be what you're after, but I made this set earlier this year: https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/17th-century-soldiers . I intend to add more miniatures going forward.

>>97263441
>Did you notice that he was able to solve the captcha to post?
Oh wow, I'm just learning this now for the first time

>>97264073
>>97264340
Thanks for the feedback. I will try to apply you guys' advice. Washes sound scary but I will give it a try

>>97266709
>Washes sound scary
Anon, washes are the best thing for tabletop-level painting. Just block your colors neatly a bit lighter than you need, then paint some wash all over, magic happens.

What is the current deal with battlefront? are they going to make new hard plastic infantry or they are moving most stuff into that new soft plastic? Also, did they rereleased most of the mid war and late war stuff in compilations? i just saw they just released a Bagration book

>>97264599
Well done, this is your first step on the road to no longer being a retard

Anyone have a scan of Heiho for Samurai wargaming? Or any alternative recommendations? Preferably looking for something that handles larger battles, rather than individual skirmishes.

>>97266928
I will do it now. Thanks for the advice, Anon

>>97273449
Here, nobody plays trany games

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Anyone here play Battlegroup Northag? I just started painting 6mm moderns and am looking at different rulesets to try out.

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>>97259861
>>97206907
>>97096073

Sorry if there was an issue with the GIBBlets last time, they tend to expire like fresh milk after a few days.

Some interesting notes on the various conflicts mentioned, that should help you with your essays.

g0F!Le /d/ 1ZFJlp

Everyone vote in the Wargames Atlantic sprue wars? Did you make any requests?

I submitted the Ancient Japanese armored infantry (keiko and tanks armor) request.

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>>97281592
Barbarians for Classic Fantasy was my request, especially since GW retired their Marauders.

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>>97273449
What about Tenka Fubu rules?
https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/

>>97282501
Is that going to be round 4? I haven't seen a poll for fantasy

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The three to the left were painted over Christmas and New Years, the fourth was painted a few years ago. Men at arms for my Barons War Outremer collection.

Does anyone have any good book recommendations on the Great Northern War?

>>97259539
I'd recommend Check Your 6 instead of WoG or or BRS. It's a lot of fun, there's modules for WW1, WW2 and Korea, and it's quick to learn.

Does anyone happen to have Lasalle 2nd edition? I just seem to be able to find the first edition in the megas, although I do appreciate that.

>>97286071
Why does Mustafa have like half a dozen different Napoleonkc rulesets? Do they play at different scales or something?

Any of you lads play reinforced platoon level skirmish WW2 (CoC etc) in 15mm? Want some honest opinions on how single based 15mm models work in this scale. I'm concerned about readability of single based 15mm figures, and I like making terrain and am also concerned single models might get a bit lost in the clutter of a table. I know Storm of Steel uses 15mm but his terrain is a bit more austere than I try to make.

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Warlord games are criminal gangster fraudsters with these prices.

So, dear anons, Im trying to make a wargame switch. I want to start playing historical games and leave behind fantasy/scifi stuff like warhammer. Where and how should I begin? I noticed the historical rulesets are based on scenarios with predetermined armies, isnt it possible for I to build my own army?

>>97286071
As usual, in the Rick Roll Trove

Don't be fooled by crap posts:
Iron Coffins
Rome's Conquest of the East
Once & Future King
are available in Rick Roll Trove

>>97286575
I've got two platoons in 15mm painted for CoC, and it works great. Readability might be slighty lower than in 28mm, but due to the way good 15mm minis are sculpted and the fact that you stick a base underneath makes that its still pretty decent.

>>97286881
G-Dubs would sell them for at least 35$

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>>97288855
Most rules let you build your armies, and most provide points values to do so. Some might be more scenario based, but most of them do have points as well as scenarios.

To get started, just choose a period you like, have a browse through a couple of different rulesets for that period that seem cool. Read some reviews to understand what things each game does well, and ask us, and make a choice.
Once you have a period and ruleset sorted, start buying some miniatures!

I've been really into Trench Crusade recently but I guess that's alt history so maybe not what you guys are looking for

>>97289837
My go-to historical period is Napoleonic Wars, maybe Rome. Any ruleset suggestion?

>>97279468
Yeah, it's pretty good. I need to get some more games of it under the belt, but positive first impressions.

>>97289837
Seconding this. Pick a scale (platoon, company, full army, whatever) and a period and go from there. Anons on here will be happy to point you in the right direction once you have that under the belt.

>>97290227
Napoleonics have masses of options. I personally really like Sharpe Practice as a starting point, as it's a small scale game with roughly 100 models a side, to represent things like opposing scouting forces bumping into each other. For Rome, Infamy Infamy is another favourite for similar reasons.

>>97261797
looks fine, smaller scales always look worse on camera. You're never really going to look at them from that close or that angle. Base them with some paint and flocking and they will look 10x better.
You could maybe use higher contrast paints/more vibrant colours but that's a matter of preference.
Got any more?

>>97289286
Thanks a ton for that

anyone have a pdf of FOW V4 north africa compilation?

>>97288855
I've played probably 30-40 different historical rulesets in my life and I have never seen this. What are you talking about

>>97290227
For Napoleon play Sharpe Practice if you want 'small' (for Napoleonic era) battles, Valour and Fortitude is a very simple ruleset and I enjoy it a lot, it's easy to get into and captures the period well for big battles. If you want to play with just a handful of dudes skirmishing you can try A Song of Drums and Shakos. You could also try Black Powder. It's very popular, but It gets a lot of hate on /hwg/ because we all hate GW and it's made by Rick Priestly.
For Rome you can play Infamy Infamy, great game. Hail Caesar is the most popular, but again it's a Rick Priestly game.

TooFatLardies, who made Infamy Infamy and Sharpe Practice are always great games.
Rick Priestlys games produced by Warlord Games are all fun, but you will get shit on /hwg/, but again they are among the most commonly played historical games amongst normies and grognards alike to be honest. My biggest problem with his games is that he is too wordy and explains in a paragraph what could have been said in a sentence. You see this in all Rick Priestly work, even his early editions of Warhammer 40k

>>97279988
Thank you kindly!

>>97285902
Nicely done!

>>97286575
I do 15mm, it works well although as you say figures are small and sometime difficult to keep track of for old farts. The ground scale is near 1:1 though which is neat. 20mm is the sweet spot I think, I find 28mm a bit too large and clunky unless you move from a 6x4 table to say a 7x5 table.

>>97295367
It was not long before you got it Gef.

>>97296122
>>>97279988
>Thank you kindly!
Kek

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Has anyone tried big chain of command 2?
Any opinions?

>>97297887
God I love big CoC

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>>97290227
For napoleonics, go for Shako and 6mm miniatures

Pic only partially related, I think these are 2mm

>>97295412
>>97299992
>>97291649
What about Lasalle or Blucher? Are they bad?

Anyways, thanks for the suggestions.

>>97288855
1. Why leave fantasy/sci-fi behind? Reject labels, shun Console Wars mentality, embrace "wargamer". Play what you want, when you want, how you want.
2. Fixed scenarios and 're-enactments' are more common than in F/SF gaming but nowhere near as much as certain cliches would have it. It's far more common to just have a collection of your interest, much like, well, Warhammer. I don't NEED another squad of marines, or a platoon of T34 tanks, but, well, wargaming squirrel syndrome. I know people who've built a force based around the stated Order of Battle for a particular action as their 'all comers' army, but most will just have boxes of little men they'll pull XXX-points worth out of, on game night.
That said, some consideration should be made to what you're aiming for in a particular game. The classic example for me is the Falklands War. Purely as a "2000 point game at club night", using "Codex Britain", Argentina should have been facing off against Chieftains and Tornados, rather than (comparatively) light infantry and Sea Harrier.

>>97292715
Thanks for the advice, I'm going to grab more paints today, I will look for something more vibrant
>Got any more?
Sadly not yet, I'm studying for exams currently so I've barely any time to paint. I will post when I've more stuff done

>>97300224
>What about Lasalle or Blucher? Are they bad?
No, they are not but as other anon has said, Napoleonics have masses of options.
You can play a skirmish with a handful of 28mm figures or a large battle in which you will maneuver entire divisions with several hundred 6mm figures

>>97300600
>Play what you want, when you want, how you want.
Thats exactly why I am leaving fantasy and sci fi, I'm tired of that bullshit and its playerbase.

Whats the wargaming squirrel syndrome?

>>97302262
"Ooh, shiny. Must acquire and hoard because I'll need it one day". Think of a squirrel burying nuts. I used to play one old guy who, if you actually added up all the Napoleonic French figures he had, you could probably have had a good go at a 1:1 scale figure ratio for one of the smaller battles.
It's not always necessarily avarice. If I really went through my boxes there's a half-completed WW2 Japanese flotilla (I won't call it a navy, it's a couple of cruisers, destroyers and maybe one battleship and carrier at most, iirc) which will remain in port because The Naval Guy at my then-club got a transfer at work, and I'd been the only one willing to give it a go with him. It's how it goes sometimes. Logically I should sell them - but, well, squirrel.

>>97285902
Nice work. I appreciate the painted helm. I’ve gone down a rabbit hole trying to figure out the extent to which 13th century helmets were painted. I’ve been painting the helmets of my Victrix knights and just telling myself it’s accurate.

>eagerly awaited Heiho because the writer knows his sengoku jidai history and tactics and promised a game that actually tries to emulate period warfare
>Heiho releases
>The period flavor and tactics are there
>A good game is not

Well that's a shame.

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Anyone here playing any fow/ty?

>>97303547
Yeah, FoW is one of my main games. It's not a great historical sim, but it's pretty fun as a brain-out pick-up game with vague WW2 flavour. Easy enough to get new players into as well.

>>97303655
What's a good WW2 historical sim?

>>97303904
Depends what you're after - scale, focus, era, etc. I like Chain of Command for smaller battles, and I quite like Blitzkrieg Commander for bigger games. I haven't tried Sam Mustafa's Rommel yet, but his stuff is generally well-thought-of.

There are also good things to be taken from most games. PBI has an interesting pre-game patrol phase with opposing Recce. Battlegroup has good hidden morale rules, and I like the split between aimed and area fire. Hail of Fire, and later "History Dad" has a really interesting mechanic with "received fire points", where you can tell that shots are on target, but you don't know the full effectiveness until next time the unit is activated, or if you're within VERY short distance of an enemy to be able to physically see them.

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>>97303655
Me and my group usaly add or modify things to meet specific units or flaws. But as is it's a lot easier to get people into

>>97303904
Battlegroup and chain of command are better games and at least try to be historical.
Flames of war and bolt action are trash.

>>97302616
It was extremely common to paint or heat treat helmets. Protects against rust and looks nice.

>>97304045
How many stands on average do you use for BKC?

>>97302262
>>Play what you want, when you want, how you want.
>Thats exactly why I am leaving fantasy and sci fi, I'm tired of that bullshit and its playerbase.
huh?

>>97300224
Blucher is great. I actually meant to say Blucher in this post >>97299992 but for some reason said Shako...

>>97303494
Game design is not easy. I feel like some people have the knack, and some don't. Need that combination of relentless history nerd and spreadsheeter but also understands how humans play games and what makes a game fun and engaging.

>>97303494
What is wrong with Heiho?

>>97303547
God I wish I bought that battlemat before the dude just ghosted everyone

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Modern Warfare is so cool

>>97309460
UK can.

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>>97309460
>the US if they wanted
Do you feel in control?

>>97309329
>invading a place you already occupy militarily will full consent of the occupied state
y tho?

>>97310521
You just posted a pic of US supreme leader..

>>97310396
is this a joke?

>>97309022
Too bad it's apparently real hard to talk about.

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>>97308379
Dude I should have bought all the ones he has their all so good but honestly he was undervaluing them

>>97309460
Swedish subs will sink any and all American carrier groups, easy.

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>>97310611
No argument there.

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adding some more knights to my collection.

>>97309022
I still have to find a good rule system for this. Team yankee is obviously a joke (not even a playable game) 7 days to the river rhine was decent but not that great, fist full of tows doesn't look great, cold war chain of command (to be released soon) and battlegroup northag require too many models on the table for 15mm scale.
The other decent choices is the fan made cold war mod of battlegroup (very well made) or waiting for the official battlegroup 1984 for 15mm.
Ak47 republic looks decent for a side game bit all 3 editions seem to be very different games.

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>>97309329
Everyone made fun of this premise back then and now it's true.

Same as team yankee boxes with abrams and bradleys vs bmps and t80 actually becoming historically acurate sets.

What a time to be alive.

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>>97313500
Maybe force on force in 15mm when the new edition comes out.

>>97313500
>doesn't even mention the best ultra modern ruleset, Asymmetric Warfare

On another note, I've never played Fistful of TOWs so I can't speak towards the mechanics, but I always impressed with how long and dense it is. That rulebook is the size of a university textbook, it's insane.

>>97313662
>Asymmetric Warfare
Is it playable in 15mm? Can you share it?

>>97310653
The British can defend Greenland as they did in the Falklands against americans.
They can burn down the White House with their Canadian subjects as they have done before.

>>97313736
>Asymmetric Warfare sharing
It's in the trove, the one nobody cares

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My cheapo dudes came today
>>97304317
sweet picture

>>97314280
The bongs won't even defend their own island, what makes you think they'll defend eskimo island?
Also, why the fuck do anons think Americans would invade a place they already legally occupy?

>>97314740
>Americans would invade a place they already legally occupy?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyg1jg8xkmo

>>97314928
What a ridiculous kabuki theater play for the masses.
Denmark already has laws on the books which allow unrestricted US military activity with no questions asked and no ability to prosecute US military personnel for any crimes committed against Danish citizens, and there already is US military presence on Greenland since forever.
tl;dr: Denmark is, in other words, a total and complete cucked vassal state to the (Israelo-)American empire.
>t. cucked vassal

>>97314968
>What a ridiculous kabuki theater play for the masses.

Trump’s buffoonery is worlds apart from the subtlety and refinement of kabuki

>>97313662
>That rulebook is the size of a university textbook, it's insane.
Actual rules are like 20 pages. Everything else is special rules such as chemical weapons or tactical nukes and orbats/stats. They have stats for almost anything fro. 1939 to the 1990s.

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I'm trying to figure out whether to individually base my 28mm miniatures or base them on single diorama bases. I feel like individual basing would be more flexible like pic related, but then it may be a real hassle to be transporting hundreds of individual minis places.

>>97315846
Base them individually but magnetize them to trays like in that picture.

>>97315365
The playwrights of the age know their target audience.

>>97317839
>>97309460
Fucks sake I thought I was on /k/, can we not?

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Finished assembling some late war brits today. I stuck to the T/O because I plan to use them for Chain of Command, so lieutenant, platoon sergeant, three sections of ten men, PIAT team, and light mortar team.

Though I just realized I need another guy for the mortar.

>>97317917
I really hate 25mm circles

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>>97317917
Also I did these trees out of old filament supports and craft store moss

>>97317922
That's okay, you and I probably won't play together.

>>97315846
>>97315912
Yes, magnetize if you want individually-based.

>>97317922
What are you supposed to use for skirmish games? Squares? Octagons? Triangles?

>>97317925
Nice, I saw James Wappel do something similar: it's a neat idea.

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>>97315846
One compromise would be to do both. Largely "element-base" a unit, but leave a couple of figures individual, both for casualties and/or the command group in more individual rules.
It's not super obvious on this, but these guys are based like that - bases of 4 figures, with a 2-base and two 1's.

>>97304045
>>97304615
I will check out Chain of Command

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Any great rule sets for this models? Historical and fantasy. Any other conflicts I could play with this models outside of the 100 years war?

>>97317925
Those are really effective; how fragile are they? Do they lose a lot if you carry them in a box?

>>97321172
>I think a lot of the world would love to see the US really find out the hard way
You spelled Israel wrong.

Osprey publishing books til the end of 2025

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:D1E661DEC229C3F8D5C5592B7F289981848FFBFF

>>97320734
Hail ceaser is one ruleset you could use

>>97321394
thanks, this is the dogs

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>>97320943
They're probably pretty prone to shedding, but it's not like they cost much money, I made them out of moss from the craft store and loose spares from 3d printing.

>>97321394
I am a fool and a buffoon, how do I use this? In return I offer a cat sitting on an Axis & Allies board

>>97324667
Would it be possible to teach cats to play The Campaign for North Africa?

>>97324667
>I am a fool and a buffoon, how do I use this
Install qBittorrent.
File -> Add torrent link...
Insert the magnet line.

>>97325800
Thanks.

>>97324983
Probably not, they only live to be 15 or so, so they'd die before you finish a campaign

>>97258020
Serbs?

>>97317839
Shut up andrew

>>97321351
Without US protection Israel is next in line. Whole Arab world will gobble it up like your mother gobble my dick.

>>97329939
A vassal state (the US) does not typically get a choice in providing military service to its liege lord (Israel).
The vassals will be totally and utterly expended before any single Arab sets foot on whatever piece of shit land they claim their foreskin-demon gave them.

>>97329639
Latvians during their war of independence, Baltic wars of independence could make for cool wargaming.

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Anyone here tried this? If yes, is it any good?

>>97321172
>>97321351
This is the Nietzschean concept of ressentiment. Weaklings always pray for the downfall of the strong

>>97330871
Don't think for a second that I don't admire the strengths of the US military or its Israeli ruling class. We're just not on the same team, that's all.
I simply pray for the downfall of my enemies.

>>97330773
A Great site for Baltic Wars and RCW
https://pygmywars.com/rcw/index.html

>>97258020
>Which obscure conflict would you like to collect miniatures for and get a game going?

Boxer Rebellion

>>97286190
He has one which was revised. He also has a rules set for Malburian warfare.

>>97286881
Calm down Doris

>>97288855
I hear Bretheren is a sleeper. I want to try it.

>>97290227
General D'Armee
DBMM

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>leave me and my son alone

>>97330871
Very surface level understanding of ressentiment lol.

>>97334518
Yeah you're right, I should have written a dozen paragraph exposition complete with PowerPoint just so everyone in /hwg/ understand I know what I'm talking about

>>97313500
Why what’s up with team Yankee?

>>97258020
Man I really wish more people played flames of war, I love 15mm scale but it seems that after V3 it took a nose dive. Also I fucking hate their plastic infantry

I mean let's be realistic, the fate of Greenland will be decided by a brief, high intensity naval conflict, a la Falklands. The capability, or lack thereof for the Europeans to fight a Gorilla War is irrelevant.

>>97339004
Surely if the EU had been in Vietnam instead of USA then the fools would have fallen! Not...

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>>97339359
I'm gonna be honest, if it comes down to American Navy vs EU Navies we are fucked. American Navy MOGS and it's not even comparable.

>>97339577
God damn I didn't know the difference was that drastic.

Naval power is raw power, but modern warfare is dominated by air power, and the US Air Force is the largest in the world. The US Navy has the second largest air force in the world

An interesting thing to note about this >>97339577
Is not the raw numbers but the stark difference in tech between US and European equipment. It's embarrassing to see that not only does US outnumber all of Europe in subs, but that all US subs are nuclear and the majority of European subs are antiqued diesel subs.
Even though EU in theory HAS tech similar to the US, the usability of that tech is so small compared to the US. Similar to how Russia HAS advanced T-90 tanks or the T-14 , but they basically have used almost none of them in the Ukraine war because they don't have that many and they don't want to lose them.

exempli gratia, in theory the UKs main fighter jet, the Typhoon, is more or less just as advanced as the F-35, this doesn't take into account that the UK has 120 Typhoons and the USA has 1700 F-35s.

>>97339623
It doesn't matter to be honest, unironically one or two american carrier battle groups are more advanced than the entire EU naval power combined, and I'm saying this as a european

>>97335345
nta but current Team Yankee WWIII is a joke, they went to deep into 90s stuff as wunderwaffe but mostly for NATO only while Soviet and Pact stuff are really bad, their "elite" tanks are overcosted and inferior to NATO equivalents which only lead to spamming list being the only viable way to play Pact but guess what? NATO has better spamming list.
Balance and game stuff aside, which can be fixed by playing with decent human beings, the game is thematically dry there is no gun teams or field artillery and barely any infantry variety, current FoW V4 Late German has more interesting varieties of rating and motivation than the entirety of Pact forces which are only different flavours of cheap or even cheaper units

>>97340055
They launch off of our 11 aircraft carriers , retard

>>97340610
See, I agree in principle, but the post ww2 order was only a thing when we were unchallenged as hegemon. First in the west, then the world. Bush fucked it first. Then Obama with drones. Trump never cared then Biden turned the dollar into a weapon.

Second, the post war order seems to contain the caveat of actively dispossessed the citizens of all western countries.

It was always fake and gay.

>>97339004
The thing is that the EU can do a LOT more economic damage alone to the US than North Vietnam could ever dream of.

>>97340956
America currently has four carriers in the Atlantic, that's more than the entirety of Europe

>>97340610
Look, I do NOT want trump to take Greenland, I would hate to see that happen, but also it's absolutely silly to say Europeans are our most loyal allies. Europeans provide us nothing and are always questioning and challenging us. It is an extractive relationship and Europe only cares about us in that we provide them with something.
It's like how when someone wins the lottery and all their distant family members and friends show up and start schmoozing them, they don't actually care about you they just want your money.

As for Canada they are fully ran by progressive leftist and 1/5th of their country has been replaced by jeets in the last 8 years alone. Their entire identity since leaving the British Empire has been the fact that they are not Americans.
America really has no allies, only sycophants that immediately turn on you the second you ask for them to provide something in return, and the last few years have really shown that.

>>97341471
>Spend all their money buying American, instead of building their own industry
>They provide us nothing
What is wrong with this place.

>>97341523
They spend all their money buying what is affordable, not what is America. That's the same problem in the entire western world, it's run by corporate oligarchs who deindustrialized everything because it's cheaper to buy shit from abroad, and profit is their god.

>>97341575
>Buying thousands of M1 Abrams and bankrolling an American factory is not a benefit to America compared to building an Ariete factory in Italy.

>historical wargames thread

>>97341707
Yes you're right they are doing that specifically because they love America and want to support it's economy, other reason.

>>97341784
We are talking about the setting for a Team Yankee campaign

>>97341843
It doesn't matter why they do it. The fact is they do it. You said the Europeans provide nothing, which is false they provide us money, which is turned into goods and services for our military.

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>>97342190
>heh.. you said they provide us nothing ...but actually they occasionally buy some stuff ... heh... check mate
Incredible argument

>>97342203
>Occasionally
Most EU nations have more American equipment than native. Anyway what do you want from them it's been 53 years since America has seen a symmetrical war, what else could they do but buy equipment they can't join a war on our side thanks to lack of war.
Who is America's most loyal ally then?

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Napoleonic Wars enjoyers: How would you feel if you played against someone's Imagi-Nation? Assuming it had fully developed uniforms, flags, heraldry, etc.?

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America is Republican Rome
Europe is the Hellenistic world
It's only a matter of time

I think America is America. Things are generally themselves and not other things, that's how existing works.

I was obviously considering them to be a parallel, not a direct copy of one another, you absolute retard. But I wouldn't expect better from this general.

>>97342395
>>97342463
>>97342704
What is this weird pussy behavior recently where zoomers have too much anxiety to directly reply to each other? Bizarre

>>97273449
That game is literally virtue-signalling shit from a delusioned old man.
Play any other samurai game, FFS.

>>97303547
It's a nice game, but any historical research will bend your 'tisms
It is a wonderful and oddly affordable alternative to WH40K. Great lore, afterall.

>>97339914
>the Typhoon, is more or less just as advanced as the F-35
What?
Seriously?
Maybe onboard avionics, but the Typhoon is a delta-config' non-stealth
missile truck. It's best asset is it's pilot and quality of the missiles.
Who is building those missiles? Immigrants?

>>97342863
I was being generous, anon

>>97330773
Google claims the text says "Army of Yudenich" which means they are Russian civil war.

>>97329990
This thread is for historical wargames, not fantasy lore building.

>>97339359
>Gorilla War
As long as you don't gamble it all on a spelling bee in your native tongue against the ESLs, you'll probably be fine.

>>97339577
You ought to look at the results of some of the naval exercises pitting USN vs OPFOR played by Euros. It ain't pretty for the mutts.
They'd probably still win if they wanted to, but they'd get dunked on severely along the way.

>>97340610
>An attack on Greenland would be the most idiotic blunder in the history of humankind.
You're making the mistake of assuming the ruling class of the US has the US' best interests at heart.
Nobody has dual loyalty, you know...

>>97343005
Hello newfag

>>97342203
How is he wrong? Europe buys US stuff all day every day and bleeds its sons when the US wants to go fight with Israel's enemies.

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My WW2 tables look a bit better nowadays.

>>97342293
Ecstatic because I have my own. Of course, during the Napoleonic wars they were split between the Illyrian Provinces and the Ottos so I would be running them as Second Corps French with Albanian regiment auxiliaries but still, very good.

>>97343657
This type of urban landscape doesn't exist in Western Europe.
You don't see houses scattered like that. They're along the streets, often with shared walls or with fences, hedges, and low walls to separate the properties. It's really missing from your game table.
On top of everything, the roundabout in the center, with that ridiculous little grove, makes no sense. A simple Y junction or + intersection would be more realistic and aesthetically pleasing.
Put your trees along the road or in gardens or orchards.
Look for maps from 'close combat' games for some inspiration.

>>97344102
This
>>97343657
Mate you're trying too much to make it "symmetrical" like a Warhammer player would, and that takes away a lot of the immersion

Where the fuck can I find lists for participants in Outremer or the third crusade? I need to find heraldry suitable for the area but all I have is wappenwiki and that's really bare-bones, doesn't even have dates for when all the heraldry on the website was used.

>>97344861
Finland and Thailand didn't have enough money to be worth squeezing. It was better to use soft power to influence their cold war alignment

Evening lads, I don’t suppose anyone knows of a trove containing all the old PnP games by The Perfect Captain? I’m mostly interested in their medieval rules/games especially Ironbow II, Strongbow, Princes of the East, In the Shadow of Byzantium, Villehardouin, Alexius 1113 AD etc.

Cheers boys, happy new year.

>>97344408
Wikipedia will get you participants. As for heraldry, it isn’t that common before the 13th C and even then, we rarely know the arms even for big names. There are usually fictive arms for the earlier period made up in the later middle ages, if you aren’t asspained to the Nth degree about historical accuracy.

There is the additional difficulty in that the eastern mediterranean societies the Latins found themselves in did not themselves use arms as in the west, even much later than this - this may have meant that local Latin settlers felt little pressure to take arms as it was not the local ‘fashion’.

Sorry it’s a ballache, but I hope it helps. I think it means that you can actually be quite free in your painting without being implausible or even inaccurate.

>>97345263
I should have added that the Perfect Captain site (in the OP) hasn’t had working downloads since 2020.

>>97345344
I’m an absolute mongoloid, some hero put them in the new trove link. Sorry boyos.

>>97345297
Wikipedia just gives the major participants, kings and such. I want to see the dukes, barons and even lower.

>>97344408
https://www.earlyblazon.com/
https://www.earlyblazon.com/earlyblazon/events/3crusade.htm

>>97344861
WTF, Finland absolutely had to pay massive (for it's size) reparations to soviets. In fact, Finland was only nation that fully paid their reparations after WW2. It slowed down recovery after the war, but boosted their industrial output so exporting heavy machinery like locomotives to Soviet union became quite profitable.

>>97347389
>Finland absolutely had to pay massive (for it's size) reparations to soviets.
Loooosers

>>97347420
shalom

>>97347223
Thank you so much anon, I had forgotten that this page existed.

>>97347520
>Loses land to foreign invaders
>Pays reparations
...but they didn't lose because they were on the right side of history, despite the fact that Finland refused to hand over what the Finish viewed (regardless if they were right to or wrong to) as Finish jews to Germany.
What is this called it happens with every political movement where suddenly they become very uncomfortable with the description of "loser" when the person who lost agrees with them.
A loser is somebody who lost, for better or worse, if you lose you are a loser.

>>97258020
Does anyone know of any informative books about the Germans and their military during WW1? Lots of pictures (real or painted) would be appreciated. I've read Jünger, but other than that my "knowledge" of the era comes from WW1. I'm interested in squad compositions, weapons, uniforms, insignia, bread cases and such. Is Ospray a good start?

>>97348184
Battlefield ww1*

>>97285902
Did you paint that Boniface of Montferrat like 8 years ago? He was holding a banner.

>>97348154
>actually "Loooosers" isn't an insult
>I was just contributing this factoid to the conversation about them paying reparations after having lost
>just in case you didn't know that they lost the war
What is this called? It happens with every poster who throws an insult but then isn't willing to stand by his insult when the insulted party retaliates.
A jew is somebody who jews, for better or worse, if you insult those who defended Europe against world jewry, you are a jew.

>>97348704
That wasn't me. But Loser is an insult and a fact.
Like calling somebody who is short, short, or calling a cripple, a cripple. Is any objective fact that is negative about the Axis not allowed to be stated because it is also an insult? Feelings above truth.

>>97348871
If you're too spergy to get the difference between this post >>97344861 and this post >>97347420 you're probably also too spergy to notice that only the latter got a shalom.
>Feelings above truth.
Yes, Ben Shapiro, honor and shame are indeed feelings and not cold hard scientific materialism.

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>>97348327
Ye, that's me.

>>97348933
No fact that illicits shame should ever be spoken then?

>>97349029
>still can't tell the difference between a fact and an insult
Dunno what to tell you mate. Autism works in mysterious ways.

>>97348964
Really sick man. Did you do a 4th Crusade campaign with some system? Barons' War? Ironbow? Were there Byzantines involved in whatever you were playing?

>>97349262
>playing
HahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Nah, haven't even finished painting. Spent most of my 20s moving around and changed field of work, just recently settled down and started painting again. Just aiming to get a 500 point warband for Barons War done.

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Something I tried to do with the front line of cavalry is make them look like they are gradually lowering thier lances from left to right light the command is going down the line from the officer.

>>97348964
Big fan of late 1100's early 1200s 3rd crusade aesthetic. Always liked those face plate helmets that arent quite fully enclosed like the later great helmets. The transitional stuff between open faced/nasal and fully enclosed. Looks distinctly knightly but not so unwieldy.

>>97349346
Doing better than me. I've hit 33, began collecting late Romans, early Saxons, middle Byzantines, Seljuks, Normans - all in a variety of scales from 6mm to 28mm - in 2018. Since that year I have painted 6 (individual) 6mm figurines and two 28mm figurines.

Life is suffering.

>>97349346
how many mins is 500?

>>97350373
Warfare too
>And then our line impacted their line, but luckily half of their army slept in so we won the only major land battle of the century

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Don't take that bait now, Anons.

>>97350373
>>97350379

Absolutely plebeian taste in history.

>>97350338
Depends on the units obviously, but around 25-35.

>>97350398
Hngnn

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I tried posting this in its own thread to attract all the other wargamers on /tg/ but it failed to pick up much traction, so I'll post it here and /awg/ instead.

Show me your 2025 wargaming year in review. No need to make a collage if you don't want. Just show me the best or favorite game you played last year.

>>97350379
>Pre-Industrial Warfare is lame

Give me a period in Western history and I'll tell you which book to read so you're no longer a trump.

>>97350316
Now that's grim. What's stopping you? I believe I remember you talking about your projects way back.

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>>97350841

>>97350901
The perennial favourites:
1. burned out by work, and it's much easier to self-medicate/numb myself vy doing something like playing video games or watching TV than something that involves delayed gratification and concentration.
2. perfectionism and frustration. I am capable of painting to a standard similar to you, but it takes me forever to do a single model to that standard. I know that the camera sees what the eye doesn't etc, but given that I basically never play and only paint (occasionally), it's usually the painting that preoccupies me.
3. No dedicated hobby space (not essential obviously, but doesn't help because the thought of having to pack everything away again often stops me from starting).

Number 1 + severe, 2-decade-long depression are the worst offenders. It sucks really because you can extend this picture to every hobby/interest I have.

Sorry to hear your progress is slow too, but your models look great. Got any pics of all the currently painted warband together?

>>97350506
>>97350858
I'm objectively correct. The most prolific pre-industrial battles are
>Hannibal defeating the romans by...surrounding them
>The english defeated the french by...shooting at them as they walked forward
>Napoleon was defeated because...their lines were bigger
That's about it really. Pre-gunpowder warfare was just endless hordes of Spearmen smashing into each other. Boring! Technology and centuries of tactical experience made WW2 the culmination of all warfare that can never be surpassed. Anything that gets close to WW2 in scale or complexity spells the end of the world in nuclear hellfire. WW2 was the climax of human military history

>>97351443
You should read more dude.

>>97351607
I've been interested in Antiquity. I've read about the battles Rome fought against the Greeks during their conquest. Problem is they tend to be very boring, luring the Greeks into rocks was the most exciting thing that they did.

>>97351443
gay

>>97351627
I think this denies the rich variety of tactics used that depended upon different terrains and doctrines before you even get onto sieges. You might enjoy reading about Heraclius’s campaigns against the Sassanians in the Armenian highlands for example.

Also for babby’s first medieval warfare, read Runciman’s History of the Crusades. It is read-but don’t-cite tier these days, but it’s a brilliant read. If you don’t want to BE Bohemond of Taranto by the end of the first volume, I’ll eat my hat.

>>97348964
If you used the Marshal’s bannerman as Boniface, what did you do with the figure of the Marshal himself? Also can I ask what drew you to the 4th crusade and what your plans are campaign wise post painting?

>>97350316
>>97351406
Life is not suffering, life is beautiful and thrilling, actually. Modern men with depression and anxiety, ie. mental weakness is such a frustrating phenomenon because it's so common nowadays but all of the conventional means you're told to try to "cure" it do literally nothing. It's possible to fix, but the things you have to change are so radical that very few ever will.

Anyways, depression is a symptom, not a diagnosis. Anxiety is just gay, stop that fag shit.

>>97351443
Give me one good post-industrial battle and we will see if I am able to make a simplistic reductionist sentence to describe it just like you did here

>>97351443
>WW2
Fanfic for boomers

>>97351973
I honestly doubt it is anything interesting to learn about, not even thinking about it in a wargaming context! Pre-gunpowder warfare is just lines walking into each other. Early gunpowder warfare is just lines walking close to each other, before occasionally walking into each other. The tactics and interesting decision making is at the very highest level. But we are miniature wargamers here, and any good representation of the interesting scales of pre-industrial war tend to abstract a ton. You have four 28mm figures standing on a base representing a Regiment, or something totally ridiculous like that. We may as well be playing hex and chit, except WW2 also makes for more interesting scenarios than hex and chit.

The aesthetics are absolutely lovely and they make for good grand strategy games, but don't try to convince me into some retarded conflict that can only be represented by the silliest combination of scale and abstraction. The same also goes for any conflict after WW2.
>Oh boy I love playing poorly armed and trained guerillas who occasionally pop out of hidey holes before being obliterated by a space age civilization.
Riveting.

>>97352982
I'm sorry to be the one to break this to you, but WW2 is just rock paper scissors where rock and scissors are the same unit type.

>>97349756

I really like that. Good job, anon.

>/pol/ and people taking blatant bait
I've been taking a break from 4chan for a good while. When did /hwg/ fall this far?

>>97303547
I play both extensively despite being their biggest haters but thats just because I want them to be better games.

Flames V4 just released late-war point balancing and its made the game so much better because soviets and british used to suck dick and germany had too many cheese spam lists but now the game is relatively balanced and anything you find too cheesy you can easily houserule. Its not historical but it is a fun casual game for balanced forces just duking it out compared to some other historicals which are more historical sim than game.

>>97335345
Team yankee used to be my go to game but like >>97340160 said the game is basically just a NATO jerk off simulator while PACT players are basically just hordes of mooks for NATO to have fun blowing up It gives NATO fucking prototype vehicles from the late 90s despite being set in 1985 While PACT is stuck choosing what flavor of period accurate shit tank to spam.

Generally compared to NATO, PACT units have dogshit stats and are hit on 3 instead of 4 but they make up for this by having 2-4x the numbers and usually better morale but even so NATO units are just so cost effective that even their spam lists of shit NATO units are better than PACTs so PACT can't even really do hordes as good as NATO.

Point "balancing" came out for team yankee and it nerfed some PACT spam lists like mass Hinds and gave meager point drops to T-72s and T-80s dropping them by 1 measly point each. Then the balancing massively cut points for NATOs prototype shit by like 30% with the M1A1 going from like 18 points to 12 FYI the M1A1s front armor cannot be penetrated by anything in PACTS entire arsenal outside of aircraft missiles and has the highest armor penetration gun of any tank in game.

>>97353410
Are infantry heavy forces in v4 any good? My biggest gripe with flames of war was how it tended towards parking lots

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>>97351406
I don't have any pictures of all the models together, need better lighting for that.
Depression is horrible, I don't have any tips except never give up and continue advancing. But have you considered a mobile painting space? I figure you just need a tray, palette and a box to keep your paints in. A cheap lamp from IKEA that's easy to move around too.
>>97351973
Oh anon, I'm not doing the 4th crusade. I've painted up Conrad of Montferrat for the third crusade. Not too keen on the marshal figure but I'll paint them eventually (I have two, my other bannerman is painted holding the flag of Jerusalem).

>>97353474
Midwar infantry isnt too great at doing stuff compared to late war infantry since they lack real AT so you'll have to compensate for that with something else like AT guns not that you shouldnt bring lots of support for infantry lists anyway thats why those options are in the infantry formations.

In late war Infantry lists were a fucking joke because german AA halftracks that are armored and hit on 4s were literally cheaper than most infantry hit on 3s but the point changes to fix the spam issue has made infantry more viable even though infantry and most gun teams havent gotten point changes for late war yet and I have had a tough time dealing with some lists that spam infantry but I would avoid soviet 4+ save infantry those are still an absolute joke of a unit.

>>97349346
God I fucking wish I could change my line of work but I’m 29 with no degree, it’s over

>>97351627
The diplomacy is the interesting part (to me). Livius writes some very entertaining speeches for the various Greek factions as the Romans and Macedonians vie for their support. Then there's the naval battles, naval siege, concerns for winter quarters and all that. The actual battles are very short, the maneuvering and planning is where it's most interesting. Suits itself to a campaign game more than single battles I'll admit.
Alexander and the successors have some good battles. A great one is the siege of Tyre where they built a dam to the (then) island fortress, still visible today.

>>97351443
> Germans defeat the soviets by... surrounding them
> Canadians defeat germans by...shooting at them as they walked forward
> Hitler was defeated because...their lines were bigger
WW2 warfare is just endless hordes of Shootmen smashing into each other. Boring!

>>97353957
I took a shitty welding education and got a decent job that pays my bills and allows me to support my mother, can't live fancy but comfortably.

>>97352674
What are these radical ‘fixes’ then? I’m genuinely curious. Worst-case scenario you give us all some pointless well-worn platitudes, at best you save some lives from waste.

I think referring to depression as ‘mental weakness’ is pretty reductionist too - Lincoln, Churchill, Newton, Grant all suffered from awful depression and achieved great things - and that’s before we even get into all the great contributions to the arts made by people exhibiting this ‘mental weakness’.

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>>97353733
Lovely stuff.

>>97354566
>mental weakness
NTA, but calling it weakness is entirely accurate. A man who can't pick up his infant son is just objectively physically weak (ie. less strong than expected for his species). A man who can't get arsed to get out of bed and provide for himself and his family is mentally weak (ie. less motivated or disciplined than expected for his species).
And I'm saying this as someone who still "deals with depression" or whatever we're gonna call being a weak cunt.
Acknowledging your weaknesses as weaknesses and flaws is a necessary step in overcoming them. People achieving things despite their weaknesses does not mean that they didn't have those weaknesses or that those things weren't weak, just that they overcame them or compensated.
A deaf nigga that paints a nice painting is still deaf (ie. having extremely weak hearing).

The cure for weakness is strength.

Depression is just not enjoying life, it's that simple.
This anon is retarded >>97354667

>>97354937
>t. guy who has the strength to do enjoyable stuff

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>>97354667
This is to buy into the idea though that mental illness is not illness. Both depression and MS are ultimately physiological, even if the symptoms they exhibit are different. I don’t think most of us look at someone with an ‘obvious’ ‘physical’ illness and see it as a character flaw. To draw an artificial category distinction, both ‘physical’ and ‘mental’ illnesses can be helped through pharmacological intervention and non-medicinal coping strategies and behavioural changes. For both categories, the latter are often more difficult than the former for obvious reasons: a pill doesn't have to fight habits and behaviours often long ingrained by coping with a particular illness. The body shepherds its energies for survival and is loathe to expend them ‘unnecessarily’. It’s one of the cruellest paradoxes of any long term illness.

Most people with depression do get out of bed to provide for themselves and their families, not least because they have no other choice. I know you aren’t that anonymous, but you both seem to think that people with depression have no self-awareness and would kill to be able to just ‘stop that fag shit’. I don’t want special treatment or accommodations - I want to be normal, productive, functioning and socially contributory, and it would be nice if those efforts came to feel normal, easy and healthy.

>>97354096
Wow, not a single wargame worthy anecdote
>Pretending WW2 is boring
WW2 is the most popular historical wargaming period, that is an objective fact. I am in no need to convince you of it being cool. But (You) are completely incapable of making a pre-industrial wargame sound interesting at all, which is why it will remain a dying niche of a niche
>Dude you can do epic diplomacy!
Yawn

>>97355070
>This is to buy into the idea though that mental illness is not illness.
It is weakness though.
>MS
idk what that is
>I don’t think most of us look at someone with an ‘obvious’ ‘physical’ illness and see it as a character flaw
Appeal to the masses is a fallacy. Also, I never said "character flaw", just flaw. It certainly is a flaw to be physically or mentally ill. A flaw is a blemish, an imperfection, a drawback. A runny nose certainly is a blemish.
>pharmakeia hopium
idk mate, I don't touch the stuff
>Most people with depression do get out of bed to provide
Well shit nigga, then those people are less depressed (ie. less weak) than the more depressed (ie. weaker) ones. You understand what a spectrum is, right?
>The body shepherds its energies for survival and is loathe to expend them ‘unnecessarily’
Yeah, because it is weak. Make it stronger and it'll have more energy, and thus be less loathe to expend some of it. Poor people are always the worst hoarders for the same reason.
>you both seem to think
woman moment
Stop (inaccurately) guessing what I'm are thinking and just engage with the post.
>I don't want
>I want to be
>it would be nice if
more woman moments
This has no bearing on my post. Your failures at being who you want to be is due to your own weakness. The same applies to everyone. So you either reduce your ambitions or increase your capabilities (ie. get stronger), or a combination of both.
>you aren’t that anonymous
What exactly are you trying to get at?
>picrel
Please tell me that you can tell the difference between "get stronger" and "don't be sad lol".

>baiting this hard

>>97355277

>Doesn't know what a fallacy is.
>Can't understand when someone is 'mind-reading' vs making a context based inference.

You use 'strong' in a way that suggests an infantile understanding of the human psyche or someone that is ESL. Stop baiting, be a better human being, paint some small men.

>>97353957
>29
>it's over
You're a funny guy.

>>97354667

>(ie. less strong than expected for his species)
>(ie. less motivated or disciplined than expected for his species).

Your thesis is that 'Weakness = performing below an expected baseline for your species.' But you haven't stated how 'adequate strength' is determined - 'expected for the species' is not a biological fact, it's a socialised determination. Biology describes distributions, it does not prescribe obligations - again, society does. A dude who can't lift 50kg unaided can't be called weak in any meaningful sense until you've defined what counts as meaningful strength and why - otherwise, you can keep moving the goal posts. However you decide, you will be deciding based on social/cultural factors - not biological ones, something you've tried to hide or failed to spot in your own thinking by making reference to the 'species'. YOUR expectations for a species could be very different to those of somebody else.

If you define weakness as any deviation from some decided norm, everyone is weak in some way or another and the term once again loses any value in the discussion.

I agree that depression, like any other physical or mental illness is a disfunction, a deviation, a problem: but making an analogy with physical strength makes no sense. All you've done is re-labelled mental illness to impart a moral judgement. That's fine, you are entitled to your opinion - but it is not objective.

Your analogies about lifting a child or a deaf painter further undermine your thesis. Physical weakness/deafness are capacity-limited states (not failures of will), are orthogonal to effort and are non-responsive to exhortation. Nobody would say to a deaf painter 'You will be able to hear if you just try harder.' That would be stupid. Depression as with other mental illnesses that cause a loss of function is instead treated by you as a lack of character, and reduced output from your (subjective) baseline is seen as a moral or volitional defect.

>>97356594
Assuming that motivation works like muscle mass, "Less output = less strength" is retarded. It is not a unitary resource: it is an emergent property that relies on an individual's neurochemistry, how much sleep they've had, stress load, meaning attribution to a task, reward prediction, cognitive biases and the social context of the action they want/don't want to undertake. Depression isn't low motivation in the way that simple laziness is - it's pathologically altered reward processing. Calling somebody with depression weak then is like calling a car with a broken fuel-pump lazy. Obviously the car doesn't work properly - something is actually wrong with it.

Accurate self-assessment matters and denial does nobody any good, and people do hide behind their diagnoses (if they have them). But this "Acknowledging depression as weakness is necessary to overcome it." is a sleight of hand. Acknowledging limits is necessary. Misdiagnosing causes is harmful.

Inb4 being a moral fag about depression on a mongolian toy soldier forum, but if you ever have somebody in your life suffering in this way, and you or they believe their failures are due to a moral deficit, are evidence of their inferiority and that their pain is proof that they are inadequate, then they aren't going to become stronger. They'll become more ashamed, more avoidant, cognitively rigid and less likely to seek helpful intervention.

Finally, your reasoning is tautological: If depression is weakness and

>Depression reduces motivation
>Reduced motivation impairs recovery
>Failure to recover confirms weakness

Then your contention cannot be falsified. You cannot distinguish someone who is 'weak' from somebody who is 'genuinely impaired' or from somebody trying under altered conditions. You would then reinterpret any failure as proof of your thesis, circularly.

(You) >>97354667 are not being objective if you truly struggle with depression as you say - you are moralising.

>>97356594
>>97356650
> 'expected for the species' is not a biological fact, it's a socialised determination
No it isn't. It is determined by environmental factors. The inability to lift and carry your infant child is obviously below the bare minimum threshold of physical fitness for any reproductive success at all, ergo the inability to do so is undoubtedly weakness.
>everyone is weak in some way or another
Yeah, everyone is flawed. This is common knowledge. Everyone has a weakness. Depression is such a weakness. Missing an arm is a weakness. Being deaf is a weakness. Being fat is a weakness. All of these things reduce your reproductive fitness. Being physically fit, smart, motivated, tall and handsome are all strengths. This is basic knowledge.
>You cannot distinguish someone who is 'weak' from somebody who is 'genuinely impaired'
Correct. There is no difference. That's the whole point. Re-read my posts until you understand this.
>you are entitled to your opinion - but it is not objective.
There's no such thing as an objective opinion. I've never claimed mine was. Stop imagining things. The rest of your posts is just strawmen and passive aggressive assumptions about my intentions, and since you don't make me dinner and do my dishes, I'm not gonna bother correcting them.
I wish you the best of luck in acquiring sufficient strength to overcome your weakness with as much sincerity as anyone can on this godforsaken Swiss trout farming forum.

>>97356749

>It is determined by environmental factors.
Again, this doesn't position you in the way you think it does. Environmental factors produce variance. They do not define obligation. If drought causes half a population to be undernourished, that does not make malnutrition a “weakness” in the moral or dispositional sense—it makes it a constraint. You keep sliding between descriptive evolutionary outcomes (“this trait reduces reproductive success”) and normative judgment (“this trait is weakness”).

These are not the same thing. It is the naturalistic fallacy warned against by evolutionary biologists. You are thinking, in your own terms, like a woman.

>Inability to lift your infant is below the bare minimum threshold of physical fitness for reproductive success.

This is demonstrably false because humans have evolved to be social and cooperative animals, like other simians. Reproductive success has never depended on solitary male capacity and injured, ill, elderly, and disabled individuals have reproduced successfully for tens of thousands of years. Human fitness is not solely about individual robustness.

By your logic, a man with a broken arm during infancy is “weak”, a man with malaria is “weak” or a man injured in a hunt is “weak”. But these are expected, common and survivable states precisely because humans are not lone wolves, regardless of what your favourite podcasting bro thinks. Your “bare minimum threshold” is a fantasy projection, not evolutionary reality.

>“Everything that reduces reproductive fitness is weakness”

This is your dumbest idea - if everything that reduces reproductive fitness is weakness then being born poor is weakness, living during a famine is weakness, being born before the advent of modern medicine is a weakness, just being unlucky is a weakness. At that point, “weakness” no longer refers to character, capacity, or agency - it becomes 'Anything that didn’t win the genetic lottery.”

>>97356749
That isn't a meaningful category, it is loser labelling after the fact. Natural selection is not a moral tribunal. It does not assign fault. It filters outcomes. Calling every disadvantage “weakness” is not hard-nosed realism—it’s category vandalism engaged in by women and leftists.

>“Correct. There is no difference. That’s the whole point.”

If weakness = impairment, then weakness is not corrigible by exhortation, is not evidence of character failure, does not imply responsibility for onset, cannot be “fixed” by willpower alone. Your rhetoric has relied on exactly the opposite being true, so thanks for proving my point for me.

You don't cure deafness by listening harder, paralysis by wanting to be able to walk more, or depression by redefining it as contemptible.

Either depression is an impairment and so your strength rhetoric is meaningless OR depression is a moral weakness and so your equivalences make no sense. You can't have both, but you want both.

>There's no such thing as an objective opinion. I've never claimed mine was. Stop imagining things.

This is a dodge, not a defence. IF your claims are merely personal evaluation, then they have no explanatory authority, nor grounded in biology as you seem to think. Your half-arsed musings aren't a corrective to hundreds of medical studies. They are a story you tell yourself.

You want the authority of evolutionary biology, the punch of moral judgement and to have the immunity of 'that's just my opinion'. This is an impossible triad.

If depression is literally equivalent to deafness or amputation, then calling it “weakness” adds no information and no remedy—only contempt.
If it is not equivalent, then your analogy fails.
You must choose.

>>97356820
>weakness in the moral sense
You're the moralfagging retard, not me. Moral weakness (which I have not brought up even once) is a subcategory of weakness, not the other way around.
Re-read my posts without assuming that I'm a moralfag like yourself until you understand this.

You have received sufficient information, and you are presumably running this through some AI, assuming you aren't one, since you spit out vacuous quantities of monoculture moralizing without being able to grasp the point. No more (yous).

>>>97356820 (You)
Okay love, if you can't spot the logical fallacies you've made then at this point, then there is little point in making plain to you that you can't claim not to be moral fagging and still prescribing self-contempt as insight.

>You are presumably running this through some AI

Woman moment.
Stop (inaccurately) guessing what I'm doing and just engage with the post. (Besides, you don't need to use an AI to spot the reasoning of a moron.)

Have a good evening!

Holy fucking shit battlefronts germany dickriding is next level. Early war is already an unbalanced piece of shit.

>Germans are hit on 4+ and 3+ skill level
>British and French are hit on 3+ and 4+ skill level

The heaviest tanks in early war are the renault at 6 front armor for 10 points each or the matilda ii at 7 front armor for 17 fucking points each.

Meanwhile germany can field 88s as usual with 14 Anti tank and range 40" for 5 fucking points each. Its literally just going to be people spamming 88s because they kill anything they hit and its 8 shots across the board for cheaper than 2 heavy tanks.

>>97357922
Did Germany even use 88's as Anti-Tank guns before Barbarossa?

>>97358183
They used them as direct-fire guns during Fall Gelb - at the crossing of the Meuse at Sedan, XIX Korps suppressed the French fortified positions and bunkers with accurate long-range direct fire.

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Anyone know of any better middle Byzantines (9th-13th C) in 28mm than Gripping Beast’s? Preferably metal. I’m looking for stuff that will look right when facing Footsore Normans/Arabs and Turks.

thinking about rebasing my armies again

>>97354566
>What are these radical ‘fixes’ then? I’m genuinely curious. Worst-case scenario you give us all some pointless well-worn platitudes, at best you save some lives from waste.
NTA and not that radical, but here are some roughly verified platitudes that might help:
>you don't need motivation, you need discipline
(Motivation is an ephemeral thing and a shitty goal for the depressed, but discipline is something you can actually work at and plan. Plus being able to see what you achieved makes life feel a bit less shitty.)
>you are what you are with
Fix your environment, get into regular contact* with something/someone nice/good/that makes you feel better. Don't actively hang on people though, or it will make you feel like shit about being a parasite. And yes, there's a major gap between basking in external glow and active parasitism.)
* (If "you don't feel like it" - see point 1, this is unfucking your life, work at it)

Thanks for reading my blogpost, I now return you to your regularly scheduled shitposting.

>>97357922
Are you retarded? French are fucking OP as fuck in the book, Germany is Britain tier, good luck destroying those French tanks oh and good luck trying to stop their multiple 2 gun batteries that function as a 4 gun

This is simply the best box set I have ever seen. I was blown away with the contents, especially the pamphlets they include, the effort and attention to detail is unmatched. I genuinely don't know how other companies compete.


That being said, does anyone know what RULES I should use for the actual skirmish? It's 38 Spanish, which is a mix of line infantry and guerillas and 27 French, which are mostly elite companies, ie. voltigeurs. Is this enough for a game of Sharpe Practice?

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>>97362063
Forgot pic of course

>>97362063

it would be a smaller game but Sharp Practice should certainly work

>>97362889
Doesn't sharpe practice have dudes in "formation" which doesn't seem appropriate for guerillas skirmishing with voltigeurs

>>97363196
The regulars have formations, groups of eight models: irregulars and skirmishers IIRC don't.

>>97358401
There are none in metal that will match that size, sadly. Crusader Miniatures Byzantines are very small, more like true 25mm, so are the Old Glory 25mm range.

Fireforge are actually the best, plastic of course: serviceable. They did cavalry after the Spearmen and Auxiliary Infantry (Archers, Javelinmen) boxes and the Cav boxes are better sculpts overall. You could also kit-bash the FF Mongol Lt Cav into Steppe Lt. Cav (Pechenegs, Cumans, etc.) with a bit of work; great horses in that kit.

For some reason Byzantines of every period are vastly underrepresented in every scale.

>>97360767
Are you fucking retarded? Tanks are expensive in early war but French tanks are slow as fuck and hit on 3+ to boot so theyre the worst of the bunch, maybe panhard spam would be good to but french sure as shit are not OP and their artillery ranges in on 4+ nothing to write home about and your using them wrong if you take 2 gun batteries instead of 4 guns for re-rolls.

Early war is going to be gun and recon car spam all the way and germans have the best setup for it.

>>97363434
Thanks man. Unfortunately, I think they are one of those 'factions' that slips through the cracks. Most people into medieval wargaming are interested in western Europe, and if they aren't interested in western Europe, they are interested in the crusades, in which Byzantine forces played only a small role with the exception of the 4th and even that, not really. And if you like the early middle ages, then up to about the 7th C (just) you can just use the ubiquitous late Romans, with a little modification if you are really into accuracy.

It's a real shame, but not unsurprising - the market dictates what is made.

>>97363434
>>97363829
I recently discovered that all Byzantine minis based on Osprey publishing books are wrong. They didn't wear a padded garment over armor, that's the researcher translating or interpreting evidence wrong. I believe V&V have the most up-to-date Byzantines. There's also a Russian guy that sculpts good Byzantines but I've forgotten his name.

>>97364431
It’s not technically incorrect, it was just not the standard practice that older Osprey books made out - the quilted gambeson was called a νευρικόν, and the Taktika of Leo VI states that all soldiers should wear mail (λωρίκιον αλυσίδετον) UNLESS they could not afford it, in which case they could wear the νευρικόν alone (Leo VI, Taktika, Diataxeis 5-6).

>t. Wasted my life getting a PhD in Byz history.

>>97364535
Or rather, I should say you are correct that they didn’t wear it over mail (which is commonsense really) - but they clearly did wear a quilted gambeson alone if they were poor enough.

Can someone give me a QRD on Firelock Games'... games?
Are they pretty similar in mechanics but with different themes? Do they have different mechanics and, if so, does one really shine above the rest?

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>>97366347
I have been interested in this too, but I have never played any of them. I am particularly interested because I want to include some naval action. To me I get the vibe that they aren't very historical though, and seem very gamified. Of course this is just a vibe, I haven't read any of the rules

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Anyone have the PDF for the Sharp Practice campaign system? It doesn't seem to be in any of the troves

>>97363434
>For some reason Byzantines of every period are vastly underrepresented in every scale.

Zoomers can't use a search engine #32728292

You have Victrix, Gripping Beast, WGA, Fireforge, Essex, Old Glory, Pendraken, Baccus, Alternative Armies, Khurasan

And yes, late Eastern Romans count also and work up until Thematic/Maurikian

>>97366557
>seem very gamified

The horror

Is the "Late War Leviathans: Forces in Europe" for Flames of War available anywhere? Not sure if retarded but I can't find it but would like to use some IS-3 and T-29 models I got from Clash of Steel.

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Played my first game of 3rd edition after getting the book for Christmas. I quite like the added cover system and other little changes. I feel like making a proper 1940 Blitzkrieg list now, Hanomags for all selections.
What are some good ways to use Officer teams in 3rd? I find it simple enough for my riflemen platoons, but when it comes to engineering and heavy weapons platoons I am unsure what to do. Do you just give them nothing and accept them as tax, or can you find success with making them specialised?

>>97366581
Added to Rick Roll Trove

>>97366611
ESL. UNDERrepresented, not ‘not represented’.

>>97368074
Call it a hunch but I feel it's a crazy coincidence that everyone that disagrees with tyou just happens to be ESL.

>>97367863
You're a legend bro, you single handled carry this this thread. How do you do it?

>>97367859
Spray prime that MDF dark grey and dry brush it light grey, takes 5 minutes and looks 100x better and less lazy than that low effort 40k unpainted shit

>>97364553
Agreed. I just know that most mini manufacturers just copy Osprey without a second thought.

>>97368884
Telegram

>>97368932
Perry Miniatures don't. They even provide sources in their box sets

>>97366611
You're literally retarded.

>>97363196

the basic unit is just a group of men (although regulars are usually based ranked), Officers can order units into proper formations, but not irregulars such as guerrillas. It really is the best game for this amount of minis

Can anyone give me the Pillage pdf? I want to have a read before I purchase the necessary stuff

>>97366581
>>97367863
I've never heard of this but I just read it and it's pretty good. I think I'll be able to use this campaign for other periods as well

>>97366970
>Clash of Steel
That is the thing that replaced the old Tanks! side game? how do you even play it? I just saw they have like million starters with, what seems, different eras but they can't find any rulebook on their store.

I just read Checkpoint Charlie and i am happy that they had the decency to add some mortars and field artillery but dear god it is still fucking funny how both the Chieftain and Conqueror have the same or more armor than both the T-64 and T-72

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finished with my french flag-bearers. think the flags are too big though, maybe reduce them by a 1/3

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>>97371341
Very nice! It looks better if you paint the edges blue to match!

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>>97371341
Also, I think it's a good thing for the flags to be slightly oversized, it looks better on the tabletop.

>>97371341
These are great anon, but the French flag is all white.

>>97371444
Always funny see this joke coming from someone whose ancestors were repeatedly dominated by the French

>>97371417
good idea
>>97371430
fair enough, its just that they ram right against thier hands so it looks a bit cramped. also, what material did you use for your flags? looks nice. I used print paper with an aluiminum foil spine.

>>97371453
He might be completely serious but misremembering the time period. I believe at some point in the early modern period the go-to French flag was largely white.

Also, its hard not to observe how often the french loose despite thier largter size and them just continuing on due to the innertia of thier size. things like the italian wars, spanish succession, 100 years war. Sometimes size can be a curse. Hard to think of a major time the french state (not the french culture which was indeed a juggernaut) dominated outside of napoleon and maybe the sun king. The big medieval win Ican think of was the battle of Bouvine.

>>97371430
>that freehand
thats some dedication right there.

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>>97371341
Ittle self critique, I klind of wish I switched up who is carring which flag, and might do that. Think it makes more sense for the night to carry the flag of fealty to the french king and the common soldier to carry the flag of the national saint. I did it this way though because I wasnt thinking with my english and did it the other way around and I want them to generally mirror each other.

>>97370999
Very beer and pretzels, kinda like WoT but with lots of more tanks, and you can use most of them in Fow Leviathans. Because of playing WoT 10 years ago and having a blast with IS-3, those kind of tanks that were developed at the end of WW2 but never made it to the battle field appeal to me.

The rules are in those starter sets, and they did make a bunch for some reason. They used to be an online pdfs on their site but they seem to be gone now. Just overview stuff like this:

https://www.battlefront-community.com/article/how-to-play-clash-of-steel/

>>97371592
A peasant wouldn't ever carry any flag, it was always a knight or esquire, even the lowest flags like livery standards were held by men of status. For really high status men, like a Duke, it would even be another Lord carrying his standard

>>97371800
God, I wish we still had standards.

>>97371800
Well any ways, the higher status person carrying the state flag seems more likely to me, even if both are nobility.

>>97371453
Stay mad, Pierre.

>>97371453
I bet you're not even French

>>97372309
>>97372154
I'm not.

>>97372325
>he said after smoking a baguette and buttering his cigarette

>>97371173
>but dear god it is still fucking funny how both the Chieftain and Conqueror have the same or more armor than both the T-64 and T-72
QRD? Do they have less armor IRL? I know battlefront is notorious for downgrading soviet hardware in their games so this wouldn't really suprise me (IE T-34s, IS-2s, SU-100s in FOW).

>>97370896
It's in the Trove

>>97369859
Why
Some of the aforementioned do both Late Romans and Nikephorians etc

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>start working on Chain of Command campaign for the Battle of Dubno-Brody 1941
>focus in on Popel's group which is the coolest moment of the battle
>works perfectly with my collection, interesting series of events
>dig deeper
>find out that most of it was propaganda and Popel's group was mostly equipped with T-26 and BT tanks and only had a few T-34s and probably not even any KV tanks
>I don't own any T-26s or BT tanks
>I could likely run the campaign anyway and nobody would care since its such a niche debate of a niche topic
>But I care
I hate the autism that comes with historical wargames

>>97376118
>the autism that comes with historical wargames
More like 'the historical wargames that come with autism', surely.

>>97376118
>and nobody would care since its such a niche debate of a niche topic
It gets worse.
YOU WOULD KNOW that you're teaching them wrong, and you wouldn't even be able to claim ignorance

>>97373641

>stuff like the M48, M60, late Centurions, Chieftain, T-54/5 and T-62 have more or less similar armor as a King Tiger, with the M60 and Chieftain having stronger turrets, though it didn't matter against APDSFS or HEATFS
>Both the M103 and Conqueror have better armor enough to withstand all the 50s AP, same as soviet heavies, but APDS and HEAT can easily counter them, so outside the T-55, M48 and older soviet tanks, every tank in the game could pen them.
>T-64B (the one in game) have Abrams levels of armor while earlier T-72 have much worse armor its front armor is practically immune to any gun ingame front the front only the M103 and Conqueror aiming at weak spot in the turret can pen them.

>>97376118
>I hate the autism that comes with historical wargames

Couldn't be me. It's not like I don't watch the odd documentary or read the odd book about the periods I'm doing... I wlll look at uniform colour plates etc. But when it comes down to it I'm just painting some guys to skirmish with a few times then enjoy on my shelf 90% of the time.

I like hex and counter because the autism has been outsourced to the people who wrote the scenarios. I kind of fucked up thinking I could go that deep in 28mm on a 4 foot table. But I like painting them.

I just feel no pressure to follow the history, merely enjoy it. Generally speaking trying to engage with or interrogate history primarily through games is only going to get you so far. Relax, enjoy it. It's a game of toy soldiers. Know the "rules" but be ok with breaking them. It is also about "what if?"

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Anybody ever considered wargaming the giudicati of Sardinia c.9th-12th Cs? Only reconstruction (10th-11th C) I can find is pic related. If anyone knows of anything published on what we know - if anything - about the appearance of Sardinian milites in the post-Byzantine/pre-Aragonsese period, I’d be keen to know (I can read Italian and French if it helps).

>>97381736
Closest I've come is Normans in Siciiy. Would assume similar levels of Lombards hiring Normans to fight Arabs who then take over?

>>97258020
Is Piquet Field of Battle 3rd in any of the troves? I've found it on scribd but I don't wanna pay for a sub

>>97383022
Added to Rick Roll Trove

>>97376118
During the German advance all the way to the Battle of Moscow, there were more British Tanks in Soviet Service than T-34s.

rather disappointed by half of this Warlord colonial militia box. half of its fits together easily intuitively and very well, and the other half (the more woodsmen looking guys) are really finnicky.

>>97381442
At this point you're just playing a fantasy wargame.