Usurper Trap Edition>Previous>>97272368>Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>WoD5 Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>STV content foldershttps://pastebin.com/9i9zhydQ>General Creation Kithttps://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw>Ideas: BJ Zanzibar's WoDhttp://167.99.155.149/>Anders Mage Pagehttp://mage.gearsonline.net/anders/>White Wolf Wiki:https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page>Thread QuestionWhat is the solution to the Tremere Question?
>>97289132A real tremere uses Path of Conjuring to make their red shades appear & disappear.>TTTremere will eventually usurp everyone's role, this is the only solution
>>97289197Are those red shades hiding some weird (possibly cursed) eyes?
>>97289132>What is the solution to the Treme Question?Make them wear blue.
>>97289014Is the implication of the book that the reader simply believes he knows everything about werewolves, and everything he says is true, or that's is he hilariously in over his head?>>97289132The Tremere question is Vicissitude.
Here's a question of my own design.How scary would a Churchill Crocodile be against the World of Darkness? Say a group of hunters fixed one, got it working, and got it fully loaded?
>>97289302Would really be only effective aganist Kindred.>WtAThe Master of Fire is a lv. 1 Gift>MtAAn Etherite must have already built one, statistically speaking.>WtOLol. Lmao even>CtDKiths might be able to get Glamour just from the damn thing existing
>>97289302How do you drive a tank to the vampire's haven without getting arrested?
>>97287299Think for a second about your average World of Darkness chronicle and all of the insane shit that occurs.Regular mass embracing from the Sabbat, which involves them kidnapping people, embracing them and then throwing them at the Camarilla.Pentex transforming masses of people into fomori on a weekly basis, many of whom go on to cause horrible crimes.Werewolves rampaging through industrial facilities, slaughtering everyone inside and making it look like someone unleashed a dozen bears in a power plant only for those bears to mysteriously disappear.Men in black dealing with terrible apocalyptic events on a weekly basis, only to cover up any trace that they ever happened and wiping the memories of everyone involved.All of this happens in the World of Darkness, on top of all of the crazy shit that happens in the real world, and no one gives a shit, because the World of Darkness is inherently worse. All of this mass murder and destruction has been normalised in a way that it just isn't in the real world. Humanity is even more inherently shitty than it is in the real world, everyone gives even less of a fuck about the people around them they do in the real world, and then you get the supernatural on top of that.It's easy to look at the campy 90s setting and chortle at it from a jaded 2020s perspective, but the 90s World of Darkness was an order of magnitude worse than the real 90s. Similarly, a real 2020s World of Darkness would be an order of magnitude worse than the real 2020s. More death, more horror, more banality, some of it orchestrated by the supernatural, but with an even worse humanity being responsible for most of it. If you're such a black-pilled doomer that you can't fathom anything worse than the world you currently live in, there might be something wrong with you.
>>97289476Yep, the sabbat/cam war in WOD since the 90s has murdered over a million Americans, Mexico is seeing dozens of groups composed of monsters and all to real humans tear it apart.
Read Tattered facades, I know we like to critique V5 but there are some good concepts in it that are sadly not developed more.Like the Brujah venatlor given the job of trying to make their clan's revolt something real by convincing groups to join and create infrastructure , something that nearly always leads to them going batshit given the hopelessness of the clan of rebels.Gangrel with a breeding fetish wanting to create hordes of childer to take over a city and purge of anyone who could force restriction's on him.Nosoi literally living in the walls of people watching their obsession half hoping tonight is the night they finally hear something and get paranoid.Baali are a bit of a disappoint but I guess it was destined to happen given the more agnostic writers.
>CtD has actual Goblins (Thallains of the Nockers) in itHow come none of you ever mentioned this?
>>97289925Too young. Most of those big titty goblins are teenagers. You wouldn't smash a teen goblin would you?
I think setite sorcery is neat
>>97289925CtD has like 1000 different splats. It's complete mess, so we're bound to forget a few hundred.
>Goblin complexion ranges from Green to Brown.We could have chocolate Goblins...
>>97289424Easy. You say you're filming a movie. Have someone there with fake credentials and equipment.
Name the top three /wodg/ topics that you're sick of.
>>972901961. Tremere Hate.2. "Marcella Giovanni".3. Overuse of Tzimisce as bad guys. We're not all bad.
If I was a Tremere Regent I'd just hang a ton of crucifixes all over the chantry so Baali can't infiltrate it. Either than or run a church chantry.
>>97290285You do that and you know someone is going to complain that you're being paranoid or worst, religious.
>>97287299In practice "it's like our world, but worse and darker" thing just means "it's our world, but you don't have to worry too much if all the violent, criminal and messed up shit all the factions are doing would be realistic/wouldn't be out of proportion/wouldn't be too much to keep undercover". Sometimes they also add the whole gothic punk aesthetic angle to it, but really it's mostly just a convenient narrative excuse
>>97290254>not at all a Tremere counter-signalling as a TziggerI know what you are it is a bit overblown.
>>97289925>mfw
>>97290285your average tremere regent probably never heard of baali before and if he did he might either think they are a legend or dead
>>97290320Not only do we have to worry about Blackrock, Global Warming, Xijing Ping, and The Trumpinator, but also Fomori Epstein, Ventrue Rothchilds, and Mummy King Charles.
>>97290285does it need to be christian symbols? because tremere sorcery is based on hermetic magic which is based on egptian magic so you could probably justify quite a bit of ankhs and such without anyone raising a eyebrow
are gargoyles in vtm made out of stone skin, normal flesh and blood or are they fully stone except for the blood?
>>97290360objects of any faith for baali, but it needs to be christian symbols to ward of telyavelic traitors
>>97290379I always thought they were fully stone with just the rudimentary stylings of veins for their blood.
>>97290379the ritual described in "house of tremere" involves bodyparts not just vitae and gargoyles without dots in fortitude are as durable as any vampire... so i think the former?
The World of Darkness is just our world but worst.How much more insane is Alex Jones in this universe?
>>97290423i think it's probably more that conspiracy theorists are more often just right just like the guy with the paranormal show in vtmbso alex jones does not talk about frog being gay but nuclear waste werefrogs mutants
>>97290446>"I DON'T LIKE PENTEX PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE WATER THAT TURN THE FRIGGIN GAROU GAY!"
>>97290463>THE GOVERMENT IS KILLING THE WOLF POPULATION FOR SPORRRRT
>>97290471>Goblins are real, they're called Changelings. They are in your neighborhoods right now and they are stealing your childs sack lunches at school. This is their plan people!Love the idea that everyone in the supernatural world knows Alex Jones is right but they just let him be.
so the resoltuion mechanic of storyteller is rolling as many d10 as you have points of relevant stats for the situation and then counting the successes, while the DM decided how many successes you need?
>>97290508>while the DM decided how many successes you need?No. If you get a positive number of successes, it succeeds.In WoD the DM sets a target number on the dice you need to hit to get a success, while any 1s remove a success.In CofD the DM assigns situational bonus and penalty dice, and has a fixed success range of 7-10.
What kind of Garou would Jake be?
>>97290590my buddy Jake was a total Fianna
Are there ways of determining if a vampire is a caitiff? Missing obvious clan flaws are one thing, but whats stopping someone from posing as, say, a brujah?Though I guess there's also blood sorcery, because there's blood sorcery for everything.
>>97290741There are certain immutable traits that show up when someone a clan or not. You gotta know your stuff to really masquerade as one.
>>97290379Flesh & blood that looks kind of like stone & becomes even more stone like as you increase Visceratika, but it's always just flesh & blood
>>97290423>>97290463>>97290471You guys didn't mention the Alex Jones of WoD, shame on you!
>>97290423Alex Jones is a Glasswalker kinfolk.>>97290446Most "conspiracies" in our world turn out to be right as well. There's a fair number of absolute looney shit, designed & distributed by glowies to bury the lede, but I'd say 80% are real or close enough & only missed their mark by a little bit. It's like, how many people laughed at pizzagate & called it fake when Epstien Island exists?
>>97290498I mean, making the public unwilling to ever believe the stuff you want to keep secret by leaking it via conspiracy theorists who behave like absolute lunatics is a certified CIA classic
>>97290776>Glass WalkerTry Malkavian Thinblood too popular to get rid of
>>97290774>Schnoblin.I want him to be attacked by Goblins who will Schnoblin his Noblin.
Reminder that vampires and werewolves both share roughly the same average iq
>>97290854Imagine being as smart as a Garou.
>>97290854>>97290870>A Brujah and Garou are trapped in a building, and the only way to get out is through a very specific phrase.>"How do you tame a horse in Minecraft?"
>>97290508>>97290543>In CofD the DM assigns situational bonus and penalty dice, and has a fixed success range of 7-10.To correct this anon and answer the question, in the nWoD/CofD you generally need only one success (which is 8 to 10 on a d10, 10s explode) to succeed at a roll done as an instant action. Extended actions like research or crafting instead have target number of success you have to reach to succeed, with each roll representing a certain lenght of time.Bonuses from equipment and circumstances apply.
Who would win in a fight, a Brujah/Gangrel Ancilla, or a 1980s roided and cocained out of his mind cartel guy with nothing left to lose and a body whose blood composition is 99% columbian marching powder?
>>97290854Average "median" IQ, specifically.
>>97290898is this a real question?
>>97290943I am 100% serious.
>>97290950Without True Faith or magic that coked-out Columbian is turning into a pile of gore really fast.
>>97290950Presence 2 wins Animalism 3 winsso uh
Imagine being Talaq. You're the only known kindred in the lore who was cured of your vampirism while keeping some of your powers and longevity. Then when the Assamites and Setites find out, they try to kill you. While you're dodging assassination attempts left and right, Maimonides decides to call in the solid he did you 500 years ago by cucking you from your geopolitical power plays, and then juuuust when things are slightly looking up, Ur-shulgi wakes up, snaps his fingers and turns you into tang from a distance.There's a lesson in there.
>>97290898Probably the coke fiend. The Brujah has roughly 7-15 Blood Points to use depending on how recently he fed & his generation. The coke fiend has way more coke to fuel him
>Brujah attempts to feed on the Coke Fiend.>But theres so much coke in his system.>Too much coke.>He becomes so fucking high from the tainted blood.
>>97290950coke just gives you the equivalent of celerity 1 in vtm and does not scale upso sadly without going into mage you are not going to make Snowflame
>>97290881>To correct this anon and answer the questionYou mean expand on the answer.The key thing with Extended actions is that you can't really "fail" them unless you manage a Dramatic Failure. They also don't come up that often.
>>97290983GOAT MENTIONED
>>97290972>Columbian Gangrel bloodline that runs off of cocaineWould be kino
Given how V5 and W5 absolutely nerfed vamps and woofs into being pathetic and how sphere magic works if M5 ever comes out do you think we'll finally get mage supremacy in oWoD like it is in CofD or will they completely nerf sphere magic too?Because I'm struggling to think of a way they can nerf mages the way they have vamps and woofs without sphere magic becoming utterly unplayable and completely losing the appeal of the whole splats.
Marcella so far.
>>97291078Needs more incest.
>>97291065Given how Curseborne tried to push the "The Magivians" style "magic is crack" shit, we will probably see more of that. You'll be letting some skeezy guru rape your butthole for a little bit of magic, & working a 9-5 at Wyrmbucks, while going to college
>>97291065i assume they are going to make paradox awful as fuck to deal with by basically adding paradox dice or some shit so that magic becomes too risky to use at all
>>97291065>completely losing the appeal of the whole splatAnon have you read W5 and H5? I suspect Magic will just be extremely limited and you'll never be able to tank Paradox as it'll become a soft humanity system to get you instant loss, just like Harano and stuff. Oh, and you'll have a touchstone.
>>97290985Nah, correct. 7s don't count as success in CofD
>>97291078Need her nips poking through her shirt/bra less look. Also she needs a shorter skirt
>>97291103>Pokies.>Shorter skirt.Gotta go to work soon but I think I can make an edit.
>>97291084I actually fear you might have hit the nail on the head for this one, with the caveat that this only works at all if they sell M5 as a reboot of sorts (like they should have done with W5). I could see such a version with the Technos not even being mages anymore but more derived from the "stasis drones" that 1e initially sold them as, and a removola of the Council of 9 as an organisation in favor lots of "smaller, more personal" factions a-la disparates of M20.
https://sites.pitt.edu/~dash/werewolf.html#temmegreifswald
>There's a conspiracy of elite predators that all cover for each other>The economy is running off a corporation that gets off on human misery>Nobody knows what's real anymore and America's being run by the Technocracy>We're supposed to blame everything on a version of China from hundreds of years ago>Delusional weirdos claim to be trapped in the wrong body and are dying off due to cringeWhy is this setting nonfiction /tg/?
>>97291084Nah, that's OPP trying to invent something that isn't Mage. VtM s the addict game. Woof didn't make Rage into an allegory for meth, after all.
>>97291103Shes got on those black leather thigh high boots that squeak with every step.
>>97291093>Paradox as a morality stat>Touchstones enforcedThey're going to completely miss the point of mage by making it a game about "the horror of being out of consensus" where every mage is a marauder-lite
>>97291165well this is the same team that made werewolf a game about being depressed and having a 9 to 5
>>97291090Paradox being more dangerous is good tho, as it currently is almost a non-issue for anyone with half a brain unless the ST makes some houserules. Of course the main issue is not the harsher rules themselves but the fact that it will most likely be a dogshit implementation. Especially if Phil Cuckato writes it.>>97291093>Magic will be extremely limitedThis would completely obliterate the game line as the main appeal of Mage is the freeform magic system that lets you do almost anything(as long as you have the Spheres and Arete necessary)>Soft humanity systemThis isn't necessarily a bad thing on its own.
>>97291180goatboy as far as we know is not yet affiliated with paradoxwolf so far the team that allegedly works on m5 are the wod5 team + some dnd 5e guys they manage to poach
>>97291135The way I see it, technocracy will be everything wrong about the world, hypercapitalist, corporate, AI slop, social media brainwashing, boomer shit etc. & they'll be fascists somehow. Virtual Adepts will be digital freedom fighters & everything "good" about the internet. No grey area or middle ground, no "six of one half dozen of the other" where the Technocracy is only evil no positives. Technocracy = Boomers is gonna be a hammer of writing prompt, everything is gonna be "technocracy/i.e. boomers ruined everything & "stole" our magic from us". The Traditions will be dying. Like, extra dying, & barely holding on. Also they're gonna be tied to as much non-western stuff as possible. Mages will be forced to be Traditions only, & they'll be squabbling & sucking dick for what little bit of magic remains to be shared.
>>97291187>Some dnd 5e guy they managed to poachJesus Christ man, Mage 5 is over before it ever begun. Is there no one with good taste over there?>>97291180>Obliterate the game lineSo just like Wolves needing to get a 9-5 and being more about the community than fighting the big man forma de globohomo corp?Or Hunters being dime a dozen tacticool spooks who are still forbidden from getting anything done because God forbid you're a j*bber? Unironically, V5 got it the best despite being the launching point for this retardation. The game is mostly 1-1 except for Hunger being retarded dogshit and more changes. Amalgam disciplines also suck but it's not the worst. Obtenebration+ Necromancy changes though, genuinely retarded move.
>>97291149Doesn't matter, they don't care about that. They care about what burnt out zoomers working at Starbucks & going to college THINK mage is about.>>97291180>This will obliterate the game lineThey don't care. They aren't making the game for us. They are making the game for the "modern audience" free form magic rules are "hard" they want something easier
>>97291165>>97291175And don't forget, you will be a schizophrenic lil marauder and still forced to work a 9-5 because printing money tracked 100% accurately by the Federal Reserve and IRS will be a massive paradox breach.
>>97291164Kinda sloppy. Kinda real sloppyNever draw again
>>97291243>Jesus Christ man, Mage 5 is over before it ever begun. that's underselling it. I don't really like doom posting but it's deserved here i thinkthey put a literal who dnd 5e girl in charge of the entire brand after looking for a brand director for 3 months>https://www.linkedin.com/in/lanzillo/jason carl the guy who was the most excited about the new white wolf jumps ship not a month after before any new product is even offically announced for a non job at a dnd dungeon master academy>https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/world-of-darkness/news/jasons-farewelland then we learn that vtmb2 lost paradox like 37 million dollars>https://www.pcgamesn.com/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/development-cost-write-down
>>97291065I'll just repost a shitpost I made a while back, about what M5 is most likely going to be like. Expect nothing pleasant.>>97291295>and then we learn that vtmb2 lost paradox like 37 million dollarsHonestly, I'm shocked that it didn't bomb harder. I was expecting over a hundred million at this point.
>You don't understand! We HAVE to run our personal games it in the stupidest and most bad-faith way possible, or else the Californians will cancel us! They'll post on all their tumblrs and make tiktoks to bring in DND 5e players! They'll call us problematic! THIS IS THE END OF THE HOBBY, NO HOPE, NO HOPE
>>97291315Why don't we tell them to fuck off
>>97291065They're going to tear down the world of old Mage to pigeonhole it into being a street level game, if I had to guess. It really seems to be all they want
>>97291320I don't think mass fan backlash will work at this stage. We can't gamergate our way out of this, they'll just tell all the tumblr lesbians that we're being homophobic and give themselves permission to ignore us.Given >>97291295, I feel like if we throw a huge shitfit, it'll either do nothing, or make Paradox feel like the brand's not worth it and just kill it.Also I feel like in that environment, there's nothing they could possibly do right. Even if they just put out a version of M20 where the rules are conveyed better and less sphere bloat, I think we'd still be complaining.
>>97291308>>97291295Wasn't the Bloodlines 2 cost 67 Mil? Rather cheap for a "AAA" rpg, but still not the largest loss Paradox has had being stupid. Not to say Bloodlines 2 didn't bomb, it was just absurdly cheap for an RPG. I'm fairly certain owlcat's games have similar-ish budgets, at least the new ones. Though it wouldn't surprise me if Owlcat's budget was merely 10 million per game.
>>97291336>brand's not worth it and kill itThis would unironically be the best outcome, so that someone less retarded (few choices) will buy it. The Onyx Path negroes aren't the best but Curseborne is mostly better than any WoD5 slop pushed out.
>>97291336>That were all homophobic.But I am a homo. I think I'm immune to that.
>>97291349Why the fuck are you here if you hate it so much? How the fuck are thing supposed to improve if all we do is screech about how it's shit and terrible and can't be good ever.How about instead we fucking talk about how to salvage V5 and W5? They're not unplayable and it's not like we've never had to ignore retarded metaplots before.
>>97289132>What is the solution to the Tremere Question?A wooden stake to the heart, then replace their nose with a complete set of male genitalia so when they try to feed they feel their scrotum flopping around on their upper lip.
>>97291284insecure
>>97291375>Deflection of Wooden Doom> Cauldron of Bloodx2 (Path of Blood ***** + Focused Mind ***)>GG2EZ
>>97291365I like the IP a lot actually, and though I have faith it can be salvaged (specifically V5, H5 I think is pretty hopeless), I just want to be realistic about the direction of the IP under Paradox. The odds that nu-White Wolf suddenly starts getting good taste in what each splat should be like isn't very high in my opinion. Maybe Hunter 5 and Werewolf 5 were just flukes because of Vigil's popularity and a writer's blatant distaste for werewolf. If that is the case, maybe there is hope for Mage 5. As for salvaging W5, hard to say because of how plausible shit like the Kinfolk removal and the loss of some tribes happens because of the Nation's collapse and not purely the soft-reboot nature of W5. At the very least, there would need to be a rework to how shit like Harano and Hauglosk work as well as future material writing around the inherent doom of "the apocalypse happened already lol, and it's gay." Certainly hard to do. I'll at least dislike W5 forever because of the Get and Fianna getting removed, and the lack of Skin Dancers. I'm mostly indifferent on the other changes and the actual mechanics of playing aren't bad.>tldr. V5 has potential just needs better writing and mechanics, H5 is doomed, W5 needs a complete overhaul of the atmosphere and themes.
>>97291284>>97291383I on the other hand appreciate OC, so I will be thanking the anon. Looks a bit smug though, might be built for rape correction by a certain long-lived Bubblegum Mage girl.
>>97291365>They're not unplayableThey are in my opinion. There's nothing worth salvaging and beyond that, why bother trying to salvage the shitty new edition when you could play older editions and/or make homebrew? Consumerism has done some wild shit to people's brains, making them think new editions have to be played over older ones, even if the new edition is worse.
>>97291421Harano and Hauglosk being gameified is only shit because of the comical oversight that there's NO MECHANIC TO REDUCE THEM
>>97291365I dont understand the question. My v20 w20 c20 are lately perfect the way they are. MDA needs some work though
>>97290196>Name the top three /wodg/ topics that you're sick of.Caine and Lilith, the morality of the Technocracy, and the stupidity of werewolves.
>>97291476You'd think they'd counter-act each other right? Although, I still think werewolf spiritual depression/berserk rage is a stupid concept that's almost entirely divorced from W20 and earlier. Werewolves get sad yes, because they're human. They have supernatural anger sure, but they get blinded by rage because ultimately they're still human-ish on the inside. Deciding to simply doomp terms and make them fail states in a line that didn't previously come with fail states other than dying is just kind of cringe. Pretty sure it comes from WtA haters on the writing team personally. They're not horribly offensive, they're just silly.>>97291459I like some parts of WoD5, it isn't totally worthless. Though I agree, a lot of more normie-adjacent players think you MUST play the latest edition. I think the more modern art, even if a large amount of it is traced or copied, plays no small part of it. It's easier to look at for the person impressed by pretty graphics, just like 5E until some of the latest books have been too aggressively gay and cartoony.
>>97291432Like a human would take a vampire. She'd obviously rape you.
>>97290196Tremere worship.Dunking on the Garou.Dunking on the Traditions.If a faction is cunning and pragmatic and clever, /wodg/ loves it. If a faction is backwards and superstitious and primitivist, /wodg/ loves to hate it. It's gotten a bit trite.
>>97291543Nah, Duchess Bubblegum can take her.>>97291544>wodg hates Garou haters>wodg hates Garou loversIs this what Banality is like?
>>97291243>God forbid you're a j*bber?It's amazing how they took out a pretty interesting part out. Different compacts and conspiracies make vigil better and oWoD had multiple book dedicated to different hunter organisations.
>>97290196>Gay woof/gay mage posting>mother/weaver posting>Technocrat posting
>>97291564>Marcella the Vampire is "best friends" with Bonniebel the Human Mage.Would such a thing be possible? I know tremere do it but tremere are weird.
>>97290196Tremere glazing, autism battles related to garou being retarded / not being retarded, obvious coomposts
>>97291544>W5 complaining>M5 dooming>trannies and blacks are playing the game now, this has never happened in the 1990s or 2000s!
So did drawGOD ever finish his O'Tolley's piece he was posting with the really tall manager?
>>97291544>If a faction is cunning and pragmatic and clever, /wodg/ loves it.Yes? What's wrong with that?
>>97291567They wanted Vigil without being Vigil and they produced slop that holds a candle to neither Vigil nor Reckoning. Honestly, if they just called it Hunters Hunted 5 and were honest about their intentions it'd be a lot more popular. Hell, if it was written as Hunters Hunted instead of just bootleg Vigil we'd probably be singing H5's praises for being a cool grounded experience about being a designated victim in a world of supernatural predators, where becoming the hunter instead of the hunted tests your wits and preparation. Instead of>woe is me, the world is filled with supernatural threats and yet if I join the Leopoldites I'd be no betterHunter the Parenting is relatively rather smart for not caring too much about the jobbing nonsense.>>97291585If we accept that she's a Giovanni or a Brujah it's a lot more possible. They're noticeably less autistic about friendship I think.
>>97290774I can only imagine how good he's feeling in V5, and how much his colleagues have to suffer him now.
>>97291616>HtP mentionedBig Fraud does all the jobbing we need
>>97291633>Big Fraud does all the jobbing we needTrue. He went from>I'd settle for wiping out the third generation at least to>AIEEE, A SINGLE WEREWOLF?! SAVE ME COALITION-SAMAreal quick.
>>97291633He's a jobber in the worf sense, but he's certainly not an jobber in the org sense. I can respect that, even if he is hilariously inept at parenting and possibly hunting.Door on the other hand, what a gigachad.
Is Hunter the Parenting worth watching?
>>97291664The humor is not for everyone, so your best bet is to watch the first episode and see if you like it
>>97291660>Single werewolf>When they operate in packs>And they have a hostage
>>97291664It's nice, but the updates are fucking glacial, because of massive scopecreep.
>>97291663>but he's certainly not an jobber in the org senseIsn't he with the Arcanum? I haven't watched HtP in a while. If he is it would explain why he has the knowledge but jobs on every actual hunt.
>>97291664Outside of 5.2 for reasons I'm sure you've heard before, yes. Until the werewolf arc (and even that one has some gems) it was an incredible Hunter adventure and exploration into the setting, the music was atmospheric, the voice acting is phenomenal, great writing. The first main antagonist is incredibly cool. I'd say watch the first arc, figure out if you like it, watch the 3 subchapters, and if you really enjoy it watch the rest. 5.3 is also phenomenal, by far the best log.
>>97291664Depends on what you're looking for. There's parts I love and parts that annoy me.Pros:>A WoD show that isn't theater kids playing dress-up while they play V5>Very solid character work and voice acting>An immaculate soundtrack, their music guy is really good and I use a ton of HtP music for my own sessions.>Strong sense of aesthetics, has a good WoD "feel" to things.Cons:>It's a weird mix of oWoD and occasional random bits of WoD5 bolted on very haphazardly, filtered through the eyes of a very biased lorefag writer. >The pacing is atrocious, expect multi-month waits just for another three new characters and two new plotlines to be opened up. Scope creep has gotten real in the second arc, where the first one was pretty concise.>Humor doesn't always land, can come up at weird points>Animation isn't for everyoneIf nothing else, I'd say watch the first arc. It's a fairly concise low level Hunters vs. Vampires story.
>>97291708He was in the arcanum until roughly 5 years before the show, and even then I get the impression he was there more for Occam and Markus than because he wanted to be there.He also talks a big game about hunting before the arcanum days with his father and family.
>>97291685Now there's a pack yeah, but him and an entire chapterhouse couldn't pack up a single Werewolf, and the Werewolf had to wing it. Not only did the werewolf take little to no lasting damage, but she made a clean escape with a hostage. The only real victory the hunters got over her was from Remold destroying the data so she couldn't get her hands on it. If it were a normal hunter failing to kill an apoc werewolf with zero prep time, I wouldn't give them shit. But D has talked some ludicrous shit, always swaggers about saying he's the best hunter ever, but he has genuinely zero on screen Ws. I'm gonna give him shit for failing to kill one werewolf when he says shit as insane as "wipe out the third generation".>>97291708He was for a while but they kicked him out for scaring the hoes.
>>97291682>>97291705>>97291719>>97291720The only thing I know is that I want to draw the fat goth vampire. But given everything here, I'll check it out.
>>97291615If whether somebody like something is determined by how clever, successful and powerful that thing is, then that somebody is a little insecure.
>>97291720The atmosphere, sound, and audio design is better than some professional shows.>pacing is atrociousSo true, Christ are these guys slow compared to TTS days (and they make more money).
>>97291735To be fair, Hunter 5 very much likes to hammer the point in that you have to be prepared for your hunt and they got ambushed by a Werewolf. Those things are nearly unkillable without silver or excessive use of violence like a full coordinated firing squad. D jobbed completely, but they were very unprepared. If anything, them beating a Sabbat pack when prepared and then jobbing horribly to a surprise Werewolf by the ST is very on-theme for a Hunter chronicle. I also think D has been sort of rewritten over-time to be more of an insane talker than an actual hardcore hunter. We'll get to see when his lore gets expanded on hopefully, but they have written themselves into a corner with him.>>97291738>Fat GothNot a vampire, but yes. She is for plapping. Hope you enjoy it, the first arc is incredibly good if you're willing to stomach the first 8 minutes being two dudes making cock jokes.
>>97291747please don't associate me with reddit cringelords. I love the Sabbat BECAUSE they're a miserable, coping dumpster fire that's doing more to cause Gehenna than to stop it. I also like the Tremere because, contrary to what cherrypicking fanboys say, the Tremere are a story of petty, hubristic wizards doubling down so hard and so often that they've dragged thousands into damnation, convinced they're just one century away from cracking the code and getting back into the green. Don't get me wrong they also get to do a lot of cool blood magic but the core of the Tremere experience is spending two centuries learning the basics while being the eternal gofer for a bitter elder. If you're lucky, you'll find a chill enough coterie to be your one reprieve from pyramid bullshit. related to the other topic, but HtP does a good job with Kevin in explaining why being a Tremere sucks, even if you're a low gen nepobaby.
>>97291747People like winners. Lol youre fucking retarded. Go jerk it to eternal losers somewhere else
>>97291788Sadly, due to the Tremere fans in this general who ramble about how they're totally going to mastermind their way into becoming Stolen Moon Mummy Kithain Wraiths and how they're the real clan that's in charge of the Camarilla and how every other clan is just gargoyle fodder, I can't help but associate most Tremere fans with reddit cringelords like >>97291808.Good on you for liking the Tremere for other reasons, but all too often, people like that are solely drawn to them because of their perception of the Tremere as tacticool mastermind winners.
>>97291762>So true, Christ are these guys slow compared to TTS days (and they make more money).I think the making more money is part of the problem. If you need to put out an episode frequently enough or nobody gets paid, you have to put something out. Not to mention, and this is the big kicker, the way internet creatives get paid creates a perverse incentive structure. Most of the money comes from subscription services, Patreon and similar sites. YouTube revenue isn't much by comparison. But they can't paywall the actual content people want to see, so instead they paywall interaction with them. Discord servers, behind the scenes peeks. The people who pay are usually going to be the biggest fans, and things like exclusive discords create parasocial cesspits.Which practically means that most of the feedback they actually get is from a non-representative sample of diehard fans, all of whom have a parasocial relationship they don't want to jeopardize by giving constructive criticism or even, if something requires it, harsh truth. It's not a problem exclusive to them, mind you, and if this sounds like sour grapes, it's not. I'm still watching despite my concerns, I want the best for them, they're doing what I wish I could make a living on and I am genuinely happy for them. I'm just acknowledging that the way people get paid as indie creatives now practically begs for the creation of echo chambers and toxic positivity.
>>97291829They all do this as a side job though, except maybe Alfa? idk.
>>97291838Most of them yeah, I'm not sure what the exact breakdown is on that. But the money you make still matters. More money makes everything easier, and also facilitates the scope creep if you can suddenly pay five more voice actors for these bit roles you had in mind but didn't previously have the cash to pay for. The Patreon makes about 28k a month right now. At its peak it was 35k after they announced the Youtube algorithm was fucking them. Obviously I have no clue where that money goes. I assume it's mostly for paying voice actors/animators, and then the core creatives pocket what's left, and again idk how that'd be split. Not a bad haul for a side job in any case. Based on their public Patreon posts, the production bottlenecks usually come from the writers room or the animators. Both relate to the scope creep issue, which is facilitated by having more money to put towards more ambitious ideas. Ultimately I'm not in their DMs so this is speculative, but I don't think it's a coincidence. I could be wrong and it's 100% an issue of "when everyone's friends at a job, nothing gets done because nobody wants to be the necessary asshole taskmaster."
>>97291243>>97291616So... If I were to run the best hunter mechanically, would that be Vigil, Reckoning, or Hunters Hunted 2? I like the Imbued and oWoD lore but not sure if their Edges are compelling enough for a player, and aren't sure if I'd have to learn too many new things as ST making the leap to CofD.
