New year new me edition>Cyberpunk 2020 vs. Cyberpunk RED?Cyberpunk 2020 is the second edition of the Cyberpunk TTRPG that focuses on simulation gameplay and has a black trenchcoat aesthetic.Cyberpunk RED is the fourth edition of the Cyberpunk TTRPG that is set after Cyberpunk 2020 following the Fourth Corporate War, focuses on more balanced gameplay and is more streamlined but has less content.You can discuss Shadowrun here too because I also feel bad for those guys.>Cyberpunk Rulesets (The Vault) (May not have all updated rulebooks, check official sources for updates):bit<dot>ly/2Y1w4Md>Resources for RED:https://datapool2045.net/>RED free-DLC and extra content:https://rtalsoriangames.com/downloads/>RED Easy Mode is available for FREE:https://rtalsoriangames.com/cyberpunk/>Errata Pages:https://rtalsoriangames.com/errata/>Character Sheets:https://rtalsoriangames.com/downloads/>Previous Thread:>>97103576>Thread Question:Have you ever borged out or encountered borgs in your games?
A new thread. Happy New Year.>Have you ever borged out or encountered borgs in your games?The backstory for my current character is that they went cyberpsycho and got clapped by MAXTAC, only to be scraped off the pavement by a corp and put back together as a science project. Haven't encountered any fully borged NPCs yet. I don't think the current crew is ready for that.
stream recap>Solo of Fortune coming soon (still no release date)>parts of Rusted Chrome got moved to SoF>SoF said to move games to military level>new gun type: machine gun with autofire range bands>more gun attachments>missile launchers exist, not sure if attachment or new gun type>interface 5 gets a mention but no release date
>>97292231>finally getting fullborgs and military-level stuff but still no acpa>james saying he doesnt want to 'over complicate balance'knew things will not last after autofire shotty and ghostsuit
>>97290472>Have you ever borged out or encountered borgs in your games?Does being the GM for a Ghost in the Shell-inspired one shot count? I gave all of the players cyberbodies.>>97292231>new gun type: machine gun with autofire range bandsDoes that mean LMGs and HMGs will have their own classification instead of being considered "Assault Rifles" that can only do Autofire?
>>97292358not sure, how he worded it was weird>we have a new machine gun specific autofire table. SMG, Assault Rifles, Machine Guns. And there's a shorter range one, called a Machine Pistol. then he pulls the "im not saying anything further" shtick.
im a redbab but do solos also use melee weapons? why all the focus on guns when shaitain was using melee in a previous Interface?
>>97292404>we have a new machine gun specific autofire table. SMG, Assault Rifles, Machine Guns. And there's a shorter range one, called a Machine Pistol.Just an expanded table, then. Could be a good thing. Machine pistols having their own classification is wonderful news to me, since I consider them to be the most cyberpunk weapons (outside of implants, of course) and their exclusion from RED was deeply felt by me.>>97292423>why all the focus on guns when shaitain was using melee in a previous Interface?The default setting of the game is Night City, and Night City is in what used to be the United States.
>>97292423More visually interesting for people to be rocking all sorts of different guns rather than everybody having katanas. Melee solos are cool though, bit they need a little more investment than a gun solo since your opponents usually won't face you down in honorable melee. I haven't got the chance yet but I've wanted to try out a character like that
>>97292456>>97292456I always just assumed the 2d6 SMGs were machine pistols? They're concealable, while 3d6 SMGs would be something like H&K UMP chambered in .45 ACP.
>>97292514Yeah, that was the assumption I made as well, but it never felt right to me (for example, a Beretta 93R would be classed as an "SMG"), so it's nice to have them as a separate classification now.
>>97292423>do solos also use melee weaponsAny competent Solo is always ready to use anything and everything to destroy his enemies.That said, only using melee is stupid and will get you annihilated by anybody smart enough to stay out of range.
>>97292539NTA, I'm trained with shoulder weapons, but I don't carry one on my person. Running a corop lady, so I figure most of my stuff will be close and dirty. In the event I know I'm heading to a rough part of Night City, I'd source a weapon as I need it. Most of the time, I don't think a business lady is going to be walking around with a full-length shotgun or rifle swinging off her shoulders. In the future, if I borg out further, I might do some pop-up weapons if they benefit from my shoulder arms skill.
>>97292874Pop-up Shotgun is the only concealable shoulder-arm, IIRC. >>97292531Eh? That doesn't super bother me, honestly "Machine pistol" is a very nebulous term, it's more of a colloquial term, than a technical one. Both a Tec-9, and a MP5 are Machienpistole.
>>97293137I get what you're saying but it is/would be nice to have a distinction between something like a MAC-10 or Uzi and the bigger boys like an MP5 or P90, or HK51
>>97292874I think you've missed the Handgun category, in between shoulder arms and melee.
>>97293137>Eh? That doesn't super bother me, honestly "Machine pistol" is a very nebulous term, it's more of a colloquial term, than a technical one. Both a Tec-9, and a MP5 are Machienpistole.As >>97293313 said, the distinction would be nice. I feel as though it would contribute to restoring the "gear porn" aspect of Cyberpunk that RED lacks.
>>97294421I ran handguns on my previous character. I wanted to try something else. Better to minmax than to split points between skills, I figured. >You put 4 points into the dance skill though?Dancing is important.
Edgerunners/2077 when?
What is a leaping attack? Is it like a jump kick out of pacific rim?
>>97295647The ERMK is basically that. As I understand, they use Red's framework for combat and such, with a few added mechanics for humanity gain and the new quickhacks. My ref is using some of the humanity stuff, but we're leaving the quickhacks out since it's time of the red.I bought the physical box set, and it's basically been lying dormant for months. I don't know of anyone in my area who'd be down for a game>what about the ref you mentioned?That's for a different game over the net.
>>97295062>I ran handguns on my previous character.You don't have to specialize in them to stick one in your pocket as a precaution. Most people in Night City would not consider themselves dressed without a pistol and pocket knife.
>>97293313>>97295048The distinction being yet another range band is cumbersome in use.
>>97297108Don't play red, didn't realize that's how the rules worked. Maybe have the small smgs share range with pistols?
I have to delay my Shadowrun 2e game starting because of work. Shit sucks, guys.
Are there any good form fillable character sheets for 2020? For the life of me I can't find a good one.
>>97296568She's good at melee. Anyway, all the points are in shoulder arms for now, and my next IP expenditure is probably going to be for my exec level, so I can get TTI coverage.
>>97297604SMGS are more accurate Pistols that only have 1 ROF, and can use automatic fire in RED; they have their own range band, that's slightly more accurate than regular pistols. And are the same skill unlike 2020. SMGs are basically just marksmen pistols, or pocket automatics in RED; that's their entire niche.
I hitched myself to sovoil because I liked their logo and name more than petrochem, but after reading the corpbook, I think I may have made a mistake. Petrochem is cool as fuck
>>97292281>worrying about balance>in a game that can be broken right out of character creation since day 1Oh boy can't wait to see what retarded drawbacks every remotely strong item is given meanwhile Martial Arts chads still dominate with all the busted shit added in Interface 4. At this point I'm not sure if it's dev favouritism or James just doesn't understand that "balance" means. >>97292404I don't understand why Autofire needs alternate range tables in the first place. All it does is makes adding a larger variety of Autofire weapons a pain since you have to make up new range tables to accommodate them on top.>>97297876I still don't understand why they gave SMGs ROF1. Such an odd choice that kills their utility.
>>97299484Laughs in 100eb
>>97299484>I still don't understand why they gave SMGs ROF1. Such an odd choice that kills their utility.If you feel it's that bad, you can just have a house rule that gives them the same RoF as pistols.
>>97300318That thing would make more sense if it was a disposable Launcher like a LAW, considering it comes with the Rocket for free.
>>97299484>At this point I'm not sure if it's dev favouritism or James just doesn't understand that "balance" means.this is from the same guy who put a 5 million flying ship to purchase and you cant get it by nomad ranks.>get it by quest rewardsthat is literally his answer to all high priced items and even the arasaka prototype rifle which is 15k when the normal payout to jobs is like 1000 because of 'muh setting, item availability, and street level'. meanwhile i can get FaceFucker cyberware in a random store that allows me to oneshot goons after 3 gigs in 2020.
>>97299484>gun you have to reload for two actions for some reason when the next gun in the list is a perfect copy without the extra reload thingLike an anon said, RED is lacking the gear porn aspect because a lot of weapons are mostly samey
Which type of player (or GM when it comes to your games) are you?>tacticool spec ops black rifles and mantis blades only>style over substance with pink mohawk and gold plated revolvers>over the top future tech like lightsabers, anime-style giant hammers
>>97303653I would say that I'm somewhere between all three. Cyberpunk is never one thing, and I try to reflect that in the characters which I create. For example, my last four characters were: a gun-crazy Nomad from Southern Nevada who was basically Vasquez from Aliens, a bishi Rockerboy who was like the unholy lovechild of Jim Morrison and The Joker, a Haitian Netrunner-turned-Fixer who styled himself after Baron Samedi, and an autistic katana-wielding Solo who craved Total Yakuza Death.
this may sound dumb, but does 2020 have anything on vertical jumping? It has leaping as a MA derived stat but don't remember seeing anything about jumping into the air
>>97305696I read the core rule book 1.5 times and vertical jumps aren't mentioned.
>>97292231Wait this could be preem. I thought Solo of Fortune was just going to be the big dlc for Interface 5 (hopefully 15 pages of solid content) but if it's an actual book and serious about raising the firepower level I'll be very pleased. Seriously it's about giving people what they want and we want to blow stuff up with style.Here is a free idea James: Aersoyzed Naloxone as a grenade (kinda like Aersoyzed street drugs in Hornet's Pharmacy) to use against enemy solos high on black lace (which has to be an opiate right?).
>>97302048>that is literally his answer to all high priced itemsThis, or “just tech upgrade it bro!” Seriously, I hate invention as a mechanic if only because it gives the developers a get out of jail free card for every poorly designed item. Homebrew isn’t a revolutionary concept, it’s been around since the inception of the hobby. And this is coming from someone who likes techs and home brewing in general. I don’t want my players to spend downtime fixing the developer’s fuck ups, I’d just rather make certain unusable items better in my game and let my techie invent wholly new things. It’s even more frustrating when everyone on the discord smugly acts like the developers are playing some sort of 5d chess when they make items shit “on purpose.”
>>97303653>anime-style giant hammersFunny you bring that up, recently after playing some ZZZ I've been wondering: why always worry about silencers, super compact stealth weapons and being serious operators when my character lives in a setting where the tech is over the top and their life is cheap? I should try something like giant hammers that explode on impact, combat knives in platform shoes or sword scabbards build into my knees. Who knows, I might have fun before the character dies or people tell me to stop.
>>97290472those proportions are fucked. nobody could ever love a literal Monster like that
>>97310423We used to have a few borg gf greens but I can't remember how they went.
