>start going to other places online to discuss tabletop gaming>realise that they’re actually interested in talking mechanics and design>realise that they actually play games>realise that they’re a plenty of original content to be found>realise that /tg/ actually sucks for discussing tabletopWhat the fuck happened?
>>97294772They dragged quests out to a shitty back alley with '/qst/' smeared on it and dragged all the creative people back there to get shot.
>>97294772A certain population escaped their containment board. There are still occassionally good threads for worldbuilding and writing and things. But yes: for finding or talking about games? reddit is just a better place.
>>97294790And that's a good thing!
>>97294772you keep asking nogames questions. maybe once you stop spamming and actually take part in games and discussion of them yourself, the board will improve.
>>97294772>What the fuck happened?jannies enabled a decade of constant bullshit spampeople didnt like spam
>>97294772And yet, here you are. Still here and still starting nogame threads, ironic.
>>97294772We've got too many trolls, too many people falling for even the laziest and most obvious bait there is, too many people who are terrified of YouTube grifters farming /tg/ for content and who have apparenty decided that the best defense against that is to make sure there is absolutely no content worth farming here, and too many people who are more concerned about figuring out who's nogames to engage with even threads that are, whether OP plays games or not, obviously in themselves perfectly on-topic for the board. /tg/'s never been perfect, but it definitely was better at one point, when people were more interested in discussing traditional games and things adjacent to traditional games and less interested in the kind of weird, performative show of backseat jannying we've got going on now.
>>97294926>ugh these people dismissing spam threads are just backseatingcmon guy.
>>97294950Its just bumpfag running defence as usual. If you prod him enough he usually slips up and outs himself, and the same trap keeps working because hes too autistic to have figured it out yet
>>97295060Intriguing. Tell me more.
>>97294950Hit a nerve huh?
>>97295221normally that type of bait is reserved for when someone is more than just dismissive, you know.
>>97294926Just report them and don't engage them, they want to distract people from actual discussion.
>>97295258no one believes you.
>>97295258Reporting mods' pets does nothing.
>>97295206If i told you i would tell bumpfag. Just watch closely next time and think about what kinds of things an autistic cant do
Idk I still see plenty of people post models
>>97295440Not engaging them denies them the only acknowledgment of their sad lives.
>>97294772Care to list any places? Cause /tg/ sucks, but I don't find many other places that don't suck worse
>>97296566True, but fa/tg/uys will swallow every bait, no matter how stale or obvious.And even if they didn't, that would still not help against spammers who only care about their threads littering the catalogue rather than (you)s.
>>97294803Yeah!Fuck creativity. Post more puckee and ask about settings and worldbuilding!
>>97294772I'm such a fat fucking chud
>>97296603Unfortunately? Reddit is better. I don't like it because the notion that the "most upvoted" conversation is the only conversation that happens/matters is just really fucking gross. But the upside of that is that it's harder to hijack a conversation with identity politics because, once you're outed as someone pushing something that pathetic? You'll get banned/ignored by everyone else there. When the angry little boys escaped their containment board? 4chan took a nosedive. I keep hoping it'll pull out of it but... well... that was at least five years ago.
>>97296803i dont like doing it but it works
>>97294772The board’s been going downhill for years, but the hack last April bringing the site down for a week and a half sharply accelerated the decline. The uncertainty of when the site would be back led to a lot of migrations to other imageboards—or, as in your case, less seedy parts of the internet overall. The leaked email addresses also sealed the deal for people who had migrated to other imageboards.We’re left largely with the rejects of the rejects—those who don’t fit in well on conventional social media platforms, but who also don’t quite gel with the board cultures on other websites. Some of us are still here because we’re trapped in the autism gravity well of 4chan, even if we’re otherwise well-adjusted. But the inflow of new users is completely fucked. 4chan has too much of a reputation now, but the prominence of /pol/ in the popular discourse has eclipsed /b/. It’s no longer seen as a Wild West, transgressive space where you can find anything, but a politically-defined fortress of Bad People. So, instead of curious 18-year-olds who fancy themselves a bit edgy, we’re getting people who want to be part of the politically-defined fortress of Bad People.I don’t know that there’s any one way to fix it. Part of the issue has been the increasing siloing of online spaces, with people trying to create communities of only people who agree on things. Another issue, especially with regards to the creativity drain, has been the increasing prominence of witch hunts and “receipts”, with people going out of their way to dig up the fact that someone once posted their art somewhere that the in-group disagrees with. If you look at creative spaces, you’ll see a lot of people who “used to post on 4chan”, but pretty much all of them are talking pre-2013. We drive off creatives every now and then, but the structure of online interaction has increasingly disincentivized starting here in the first place.
>>97296886That's mostly accurate. I think you overestimate our inability to post on other websites. But you're right: 4chan has become something shameful to be associated with, because of that specific group.
>>97296934I guess what I was really trying to get at was that, if you're here, there's some extent to which you don't feel completely at home elsewhere. There are obviously people who crosspost from Reddit, Xitter, and other imageboards, probably with varying percentages of time spent on each platform, but the only actual appeal that 4chan has is that it isn't any of those places.It's honestly a shame. The question is no longer whether the Golden Age has passed, but how long ago it's been since we fell through the floor of the Iron Age. As is custom, it must be pointed out that 4chan was never good, but it used to have a sort of bubbling, roiling energy to it. The ideas were of varying quality, but there was churn to them, the opportunity to encounter something new. And, because it was all anonymous, you'd have truckers and academics rubbing elbows and debating things on an even footing, without any distrust of the elite or dismissal of the uninitiated. We were all idiots and faggots, of course, but we were different kinds of idiots and faggots.Honestly, that's what I miss most. Not just about 4chan, but overall: back when the internet was actually about communicating with people, rather than being fellated for having the correct opinion. But now it's all about cross-platform identifiability so you can be marketed to more effectively and so you can be sorted into your walled gardens where you never have to communicate with anyone who has anything new to say. 4chan may have suffered the most, going from "that place where you're allowed to say nigger and faggot" to "that place where you have to hate niggers and faggots", but the issue can be found wherever you look.AI may not be going to kill us all, but it's absolutely going to make this particular issue much, much worse.
>>97294772Confluence of political (SJW vs kosher conservative) + corporate (critique is negative, product is good) elements seizing control of other gaming fora. Small internet were a dozen people moderate 40 sites/servers. Game-havers post significantly less, because they spend more time playing or prepping.>>97294790Quests were never creative. They were always slop that pandered to the worst demo of the site (nogames shitposters)
>>97296803I'm not a fan of r/DnD because you get a lot of the same being posted. Tips for new player, tips for new DM, and character ideas no reasonable DM would ever approve./tg/ has some interesting discussion before people start slinging shit at each other.
>>97296934>4chan has become something shameful to be associated with, because of that specific group.Holy how fucking new are you lmao?
>>97297141/b/ never had nigger hate threads, and we've always been at war with Eastasia
>>97296665>muh catalogOh, you're one of those guys. Last (You) from me.
>>97297141>Holy how fucking new are you lmao?I've been here long enough to know it didn't used to be true. Back in the days of the larp clown and bluesky. When /tg/ used to produce things that were worthwhile.
>>972971414chan was always transgressive, always seen as on the far side of the line of social acceptability, but it wasn’t something to be actively ASHAMED of until the containment breach. You wouldn’t necessarily advertise that that’s where you spent your time, but “this cool thing found on 4chan” was no more embarrassing than a teenage boy with an awkward boner.
>>97297165>>97297266>>97297369When I talk about it with someone, I usually say "4chan now is what they said it was years ago".
>>97297369Lmao, someone does not remember the GNAA or the constant (and generally hilarious) racial threads, the rekt threads, the balls to the wall trolling or how you could see hardcore shock pics/gore even on non-porn boards. 4chan was a place you could bring up with your closest friends and sometimes with randoms online who spouted memes, but it was not someplace you casually namedropped or admitted to going to. Remember the exploding van clips on Fox News? Most normalfags who knew what 4chan was thought it was some Darkweb online terrorism site. Places like imgur, Reddit, Tumblr and Facebook treated it like an admission of guilt - unless you scrubbed the memes from it. 4chan was always a vile, hilarious, over the top, racist, sexist, bigoted website and people loved it for it. It was quite possibly the only place online where you could see racist white dudes encouraging a black Anon who talked about wanting to rise above being a hoodrat and doing niggardly things. It was precious, magical and now is just pornbots, people who argue that the website was perfectly loved and socially acceptable, glowfags, advertisers and their ad bots and people who come to /tg/ and other boards that still produce OC and steal it for their Youtube videos/Tiktoks/ect.
>>97297640>Who is this 4 chan?
>>97295258I do report them, but the mods do nothing.
>>97294772Why'd you come back you hypocritical bitch? If you didn't shit where you ate you probably wouldn't have to complain so much about the taste.
>>97294772See you tomorrow anon. What happened was you stopped playing and discussing that and started getting caught up in board culture as its own thing instead of what grows out of game experiences
>>97296803>Reddit is betterNo it’s not. Is this bait? I lurk there somewhat consistently and it’s a fucking shithole. The culture is awful and the discussions are asinine.> it's harder to hijack a conversation with identity politicsI guess that depends on the subreddit, but this is absolutely not true on all of the major ones. You’re just getting a different flavor of idpol.
I occasionally come back to /tg/, click on a random thread and it's just 90% people complaining that the thread exists, sometimes for hundreds of repliesI never see that kind of shit in any other board.
>>97297266Nigger, 4chan was getting smeared on national media in 2006. Unless you’ve been here for literal 20 years, this simply isn’t the case. I’m not saying you’re lying, but fake or selective memories are a very real phenomenon.
>>97296603Honestly just check out the various forums that are around. I used to think the nu-4chan culture war obsession was part of the problem with the decline of this board but even some of the chuddier forums tend to have decent discussions about games that they like to play and mechanics. I think the difference is that in a forum, even with a political bias, you can’t really make thinly veiled bait threads to push some stupid culture war topic and hide it under a meme, you either make a thread that is explicitly about a culture war topic or you don’t.
>>97297090>+ corporate (critique is negative, product is good)There is also the opposite, any product is bad, saying anything about published systems makes you a shill, and the ever present old good new bad reaction.
>>97297640And it was so comically over-the-top that most people with a brain knew that the news story was written by someone horribly out of touch. It wasn't a place you advertised that you visited, but the sentiment among digital natives has shifted dramatically over the past decade. You're delusional if you think otherwise.
>>97297997>You’re just getting a different flavor of idpol.That's what most of these whiners really want.
>>97298051A lot of old 4chan was also just people being edgy online for the sake of lulz, not people trying to hide genuine intent under a layer of post-irony so they can have plausible deniability. Most of the old web was based around being shocking and in bad taste. There is a noticeable difference between the shock humour of old 4chan and the use of “humour” as some grand statement of intent that you find here today. Both /r9k/ (which is partially responsible for the cultural change of the website and kind of forgotten in its influence) and /pol/ used to be made fun of by the rest of the site in the early days but now people will pounce on you if you call something /pol/shit.And no, saying this doesn’t mean that someone thinks “4chan used to be le hacking epic based left wing site” which is an accusation I see levelled against people bringing this up. If anything 4chan used to be more libertarian leaning (in the actual sense of the word, not the current oligarch building Israel loving way).
>>97298132Also shit like Oprahs “over 9000” penises and shit like that was obviously people trolling the media to take the piss. Bill O’Riley used to call this site a “far left website” back in the day and while modern anons would sperg out over that people back then just had fun with it.
>>972981324chan was never acceptable to normalfags. Never.
>>97298177The idea that 4chan is for incels already dates whatever she says from sometime after /r9k/. Before that 4chan was the butthole of the internet where people posted gore and shit, not the incel site.
>>97298146> A lot of old 4chan was also just people being edgy online for the sake of lulz, not people trying to hide genuine intent under a layer of post-irony so they can have plausible deniabilityI feel like you got it backwards. There’s no post-irony here anymore. People straight up call for the extermination of multiple ethnic groups, the enslavement if women and their right to own CP and similar stuff. They might be indirect and seethe about it, but it’s much closer to the philosophical concept of authenticity than irony. The “post-irony” concept was coined in the early 2010s to describe the culture that existed in the previous decade. Old 4chan WAS what post-irony meant to describe. > Most of the old web was based around being shocking and in bad taste. There is a noticeable difference between the shock humour of old 4chan and the use of “humour” as some grand statement of intent that you find here today.But what exactly makes something funny and what are the relationship between this phenomenon and the underlying social structures? Sure, there was random inoffensive bullshit humour back in the day, but there was always a hint of indecisive critique of society at its.> And no, saying this doesn’t mean that someone thinks “4chan used to be le hacking epic based left wing site” which is an accusation I see levelled against people bringing this up.It’s not a left-wing website because left-wing people gave up on this. Either because of the inherent weakness of their line or by just cowardice. it aim still here fighting the good fight.Had to delete the part about /pol/ and r9k because of post limit and I’m not going to do another reply for it because who cares.
>>972980514chan was getting smeared, but wasn't anything at all like what it is, now. The alt-right didn't even exist. Stormfront was still on their own forum. People who were worthwhile left 4chan when the people who aren't moved in and became the loudest voice. Some day, maybe it'll come back. I doubt you even know who bluesky and the clown were. /tg/ used to be a nice place.
>>97297090Quests were literally games, anon.They literally stopped more nogames shitposters from existing than your bitching ever has.Hell, the lack of them coincides nicely with every single thread being for nogames nowadays.
>>97294926Backseat janitoring is the official mod accepted way to remove things you don't like.
>>97297997>>97298137>/pol/fags admits to being pro-shitpostingCan't make this shit up
>>97294772>What the fuck happened?This place is overrun by faggots who haven't even cracked open a PDF of a game, let alone actually played anything, and if you point that one they'll start throwing a shitfit, accuse you of being a troll, and then the thread will be deleted a day or two later, because how fucking DARE you point out that the moderation team allows this to happen and has become actively hostile to fixing this god awful site in any way.
>>97295258What discussion. A thread with a generic, pointless question which gets answered by bots who actively respond repeatedly to any post with a question mark on it.Explain to me why you think those threads belong on /tg/ and how the are a benefit to anyone.
>>97296886>I don’t know that there’s any one way to fix it.1 - Permaban Puckee, Virt/TabletopTruth, the "I Win" spammer, and the D&D 5e schizo. 2 - Any "in your setting" or similar threads are immediately nuked and the user is banned.3 - Twitter or Reddit screepcap threads, and similar content, are nuke on sight. Bans for repeat offenders.4 - If an anon cannot start a thread with an intent and purpose related directly to the act or intention of playing a traditional game, even if only in the broadest sense, their thread is simply deleted. Repeat offenders are banned.5 - Likewise for threads that show up to ask "what are /tg/'s thoughts on [system/product]" and then refuse to elaborate, give opinions of their own, or provide a PDF if available. If an anon is accused of acting like a shill and responds with overly defensive behavior and deflection, they should be treated like a shill and their thread removed.
>>97298394not those anons, but it doesn't read to me like they're pro shitposting, they're just saying that the places that say they're against idpolposting aren't actually against idpolposting, they just want the idpolposting to be what they approve of.
>>97298488it really is just that easy. may be some innocents caught in the crossfire but thats a sacrifice im willing to make.
>>97298528Anon, the only idpol posting people complain about here are rulebreaking shitposts.Which are constant.
>>97294950You wouldn't survive a day on /k/ if inane questions are all spam from one guy to you
>>97298488>and the D&D 5e schizo.which one is this? The biggest defender of 5e is the "I win" guy.
>>97298684thats not even close to what was said, anon. I was mocking that anon for dismissing people mocking spam threads as backseat jannies.
>>97298538This is why the appropriate treatment for minor infractions is just deleted posts or threads. Egregious offenses and repeat offenders are where the b& hammer comes out.>>97298696If they're the same guy, then permabanned all the same.
>>97298528NTA but I don't want any idpolposting even if it's something I agree with.
>>97294772The only place I consistently see discussion of mechanics on this fucking board is gurpsgen, which is the only reason I still visit it.
>>97298177>>97298188She mentions (2^3)chan, which means we're looking at post-2016. That's not the old days by any stretch.
>>97299314Except that chan being a public enemy dates back to Gamergate, tourist.
>>97298177>Never.Then surely you have evidence from before 2019? Because that's pretty damn recent for "Never"
>>97294772Most of those places are new or sparsely populated. /tg/ has been around the block and now is in its Fall of the Empire Era. If you stick around those other sites long enough, they will undergo the same Fall eventually.
>>97299339Oprah reading off "We have over 9000 penises and all of them are raping kids" on airhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsvfhW857PA>2008
The amount of secret santas in wip threads are a testament that you are a faggot and the board works just fine with fine peopleYou just have more dissenting opinions here because you are being carefully patted on the back in your tidy bubble in reddit.In reddit youll get ONE, if you are lucky TWO dissenting opinions in any given thread, and most of the rest gets autohidden and bumped down as to actually discourage "bad opinions"All that "discussion" you talk that's there, it's just people agreeing with youI see the kind of "discussion" you want>apples are cool because they are sweet!+200>NO! Apples are only good because they are sweet AND round >:( +70>[Comment removed by the user]-63>wtf are you talking about??? Apples are sweet BECAUSE they are round +1
>>97294772Because anons just like you would rather whinge, bitch, and make meta threads about how /tg/ isn't as good as it used to be rather than actually talk about games.
>>97297117Don't forget the>thinly veiled thread designed to make you build a pop culture character for my lazy ass because I can't be fucked to put even a single braincell of thought into it myselfThreads that will pop up 20 times a day for the same 6 characters.
>>97299681The bitching has come after years of terrible moderation allowing this place to turn to shit. You are seeing the end result of constant demoralization, intentional or otherwise, and then blaming the people who are sick of complaining about and reporting extremely low quality spam threads and seeing no mod action about it. Meanwhile, every time one of these threads pop up, at least once a week, they get deleted, or if you make an "off-topic" reply that upsets one of the tranny jannies, you catch a 3 day ban. Meanwhile, Puckee will have half a dozen bullshit threads up, multiple threads will be getting actively derailed, and some faggot will be in every other thread malding like a fucking lunatic because someone dared to ask "what system?"
>>97298488Link the threads about games you've made anon.
>>97294772This board has the biggest crossover with Reddit. You do the math.
>>97299847Nice deflection, cocksucker.
>>97299875So you don't have any.
>>97299919So you're one of the faggots on the list of permaban suggestions, huh? How about you show us some of your amazing threads first?
>>97299929Nah, I'd rather people have to go looking for them. That's how you can identify the real problems. Its anons who complain about board culture nonstop. There''s lots of actual good game discussion happening in various threads and /tg/ getting shit done. The only ones who complain about it are the ones too lazy and stupid to go find it and you're only interest would be fucking it up. Thanks for self reporting and enjoy your wonderful thread though. :)
>>97299847why does he have to have made a thread to begin with? if he's not contributing to the problem he's already ahead of you
>>97299972So you literally haven't made any good threads and you're part of the problem. That's all you're really saying.>There''s lots of actual good game discussion happening in various threads and /tg/ getting shit done. Like. What.
>>97299972no one's complaining about board culture. we are mocking (your) spam threads. keep up, retard
>>97299847>>97299972Literally none of the things on that list of ban/rule enforcement suggestions has anything to do with the retarded shit you're trying to be smug about. Why did you think you would look cool or come off as some true and pure fa/tg/uy when it's literally a list of spam that should be punished under the explicit rules of the board and the site?
>>97298051>you’ve been here for literal 20 yearsOh my god, my life is a joke and no one's laughing.
>>97298446>bots who actively respond repeatedly to any post with a question mark on it.Mic Check.?
>>9730003819 years this spring, par-tay!
>>97299972>There''s lots of actual good game discussion happening in various threads and /tg/ getting shit done.Still waiting on all those good game discussions and /tg/ getting shit done threads I've heard so much about.
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>>97299803>after years of terrible moderation>post reddit, as an example of a better place that this problem doesn't happen???
>>97300133The wip thread successfully delivered like what, 90% of secret santas? Shipping shit between anonymous posters is an amazing feat, and with minimal grinching? On this site???You can't get more "shit gets done" than that
>>97300617I'm not gonna say that it's nothing, but people sending each other gifts for Christmas is your ONLY example? There's no guarantee any of those people even hang around /tg/ for anything else except posting their minis. The "/tg/ gets shit done" meme was about /tg/ actually doing shit all the time over a decade ago. Ideas turned into games. Stupid threads turned into genuine discussion (usually of some other topic), delivering PDFs when requested. You can absolutely get more "shit gets done" than a secret santa mailing list.
>>97294790How many tabletop games are discussed in quest threads?
>>97294926nice try, still not gonna give you content.
>>97296803Why do you end statements with question marks?
>>97297266Name one.
>>97298076Those are just good and correct beliefs.
>>97301656A lot more than are being discussed whenever puckee shits out another AI photobash commission and asks about (You)r setting and worldbuilding with no intention to respond or offer his own thoughts.
>>97298696What are you talking about? That guy hates dnd
>>97301741So zero, then.
>>97300606>reply to post to bitch about reddit>post doesn't even mention reddit???
>>97301707Engine Heart.
I don't know about cultural relevance and shit but I do know there was people with deep knowledge about game lore and mechanics that don't post here anymore.
>>97301926The few left sometimes pop up in the general threads, but it's a bad sign when the only people who can genuinely talk about games are actively hiding from the rest of the board because there's so few actual threads that are even tangentially about mechanics and gameplay.
>>97294790Quests were pollution that took up half the board, that people actually here to talk about games had to wade through to find something on topic. They aren't about creativity, they were about attention whores seeking (you)s.
>>97295258Reporting doesn't do any good, Hiro gets paid for activity whether good or bad and there will be more bad than good if you allow it.
>>97301764Maybe. I remember one thread about 5e recently he spent the entire thread spamming "3.5 was actually a massive failure because [links that don't actually say that] proves it. Based 5e I win you lose." It is much more probable that he just spams whatever troll opinion he feels like in a manic like state. Or maybe an imposter, which just means there's another faggot that should taste a month long ban.
>>97301790Not zero, at least one.People who play in quests generally discuss the game they're playing at minimum.
>>97303220Quests aren't traditional games, so no. Zero.
>>97294772This happens to every single board:>/tg/ doesn't play board games>/v/ doesn't play video games>/tv/ doesn't go to the movies>/biz/ buys high and sells low>/vt/ doesn't watch streams>/pol/ isn't whiteAnd it's because this site is addictive and people's hobby becomes shitting up the board with bait and "funposting" instead of engaging with the board's topic.
>>97294772What other places? All the ones I know about are either faggy or dead.
>>97296934>because of that specific group.Because of shrieking social justice harpies who will sick the alphabet mafia on you for wrongthink? Fuck off and die, by the way.
>>97294772And what are these other places? Just admit you went on discord and reddit and you found yourself loving it. And then leave this place and stay there
>>97298137Hear hear, although their criticism is true even if they have ulterior motives.
>>97303220Are you the same guy who insists that quests are just like "playing D&D"? Because the only person who was genuinely running a multiplayer game was MondayDestroy and his skirmish games and he ditched this place years ago.
>>97296803>Unfortunately? Reddit is better."Unfortunately" isn't a question, and Reddit isn't better you stupid fag. You outed yourself as a troll with this one. You can't say anything against the SJW takeover of TTRPGs there without getting your account deleted. Discussion on there is all centered around the same fauxbertarian muh consent checklist mindset there, where you can leave a campaign that's been going 3 years because you got the ick, and no one has a right to be mad at you. Literal woman mindset. Literal hedonistic post-modernist psycho mindset. I feel zero pity for subhuman redditors who can't keep a game going because of their selfish pleasure-focused mindset. The fact that they think RPGs should be "fun" first and foremost is the clearest indicator of this problem. You were warned about this, but you were too eager to meme about it. "OMFG HAHA SOMEONE SAID GAMES SHOULDN'T BE FUN" and respond with le epic funny reaction image, ignoring the nuance and subtext, and now your hobby is overrun by low-effort Critical Roll shitheads with no creativity, only a desire to consume and have "fun" which as soon as it stops they will move on to the next "fun" thing. These reddit fucks destroyed tabletop RPGs. Yes, I still have a decent group and we have fun, but if I ever want to expand my horizons, the pickings are slim, given how fucking awful the playerbase has become. And that sucks for everyone. Except the SJW freaks, they are laughing at you, because they won. They succeeded at their goal of bringing an entire hobby down to their miserable level.>>97298488>seething this hard over imaginary characters you made up in your head>>/qst/ is that way
>>97303758>imaginary charactersGenuine fucking retarded behavior. Apply yourself.
>>97303490The races are fundamentally different and there is nothing you can do about it.
>>97303885They are imaginary.Meanwhile Neckbeardia has fucking ruined this board by mining it for content and no one gives a shit. Instead they shriek about an archetype of trolling that they coalesce into their minds as a single person, in a variation of the "Main Character Syndrome" that has become a fucking EPIDEMIC among zoomers like you.
>>97303912Puckee, Virt, and the 5e schizo have been here for a decade or more each. Verifiably. There's no possible way you can deny their existence. It's like saying Edna/2hu isn't a real person.
>>97299862Yeah, we have known redditors like puckee aka pucke℮21 who frequently post here
>>97303916>>97304591You're really creative, it's actually cute. I bet you have multiple infographics that show how all these people that use the same word or phrase, are all the same person! Like how, everyone who says "sneed" or "bane" is all one person! BaneFag has been relentless for years now!I bet you could make a cool cult for a cyberpunk game based around some shitposters who all use the same word, and they all think that everyone else who uses it is the same guy, and they create this mystical entity that shitposts 50 times a day and because of that everyone who disagrees with them is that person.That'd be a really cool adventure idea. You should use it, for when you actually run a roleplaying game for the first time in your life.
>>97303318So, since collaborative activities combining narrative and mechanics aren't games, collaborative activities combining narrative and mechanics aren't games.Goodbye D&D, and all of its clones and heartbreakers. Goodbye Apocalypse World, and all the endless identity-political titles spawned from its engine. Goodbye Blades in the Dark, World of Darkness, Savage World, and 13th Age. Goodbye to all Börgs, whether Mörk or otherwise.Goodbye and good riddance, you will not be missed, as you were never games. Collaborative activities combining narrative and mechanics aren't games after all.
>>97303758Get the fuck out Virt.
>>97305860Virt used to namefag (maybe trip too, don't remember) but the only recognizable -fag around now is Touhoufag IMO
>>973031943.5 could not hold itself up without MtG money and was suddenly expected to, so yes, it was a failure.
>>97303912>Neckbeardia has fucking ruined this board by mining it for contentI don't understand this one.If you have a good idea, and workshop it here, and then run a game involving it, youtubers are not going to send the Pinkertons to your home.>inb4 it damages my motivation to writeYou weren't going to finish and publish it, just play the damn games.
>>97297266>When /tg/ used to produce things that were worthwhile.I've been here longer than I'd care to admit, and most of the things produced here have never been worthwhile. Those have always been the exception. The thing is, it didn't really matter. Most of the time people were just shooting shit for fun. In the past I frequently had at least half a dozen threads or more I was following at the same time, and maybe one was actually engaged in anything resembling serious conversation about game mechanics or something. The rest was just people talking about some stupid shit that happened in their game or making fun of some dumb lore in DnD or 40k or whatever, or getting into unnecessary amount of detail on how some stupid idea would work. Or just discussing stuff you'd probably be embarrassed to do somewhere where you weren't anonymous. It was rarely deep or intellectually stimulating, or resulted in anything more worthwhile than somebody drawing some silly doodles or making a quick homebrew class, but it was fun.Nowadays I rarely see anything that catches my attention beyond the couple of general threads for the games I regularly play, since the board is mostly generals and most of the kinds of random threads that could in the past spawned spontaneous creativity are drowned out by people screeching about "nogames" this or "gooners" that.
SJWs and to a lesser extent the facebookfags that came with them.
>>97303906There's CRISPR, but even if you were right, that doesn't change the fact that rampant polfagging is harming the quality of discussion on this board.
>>97307992>or getting into unnecessary amount of detail on how some stupid idea would work.That's called designing, honey
>>97308182Yeah, but it was usually not directed at something that anybody would consider worthwhile, but stuff like "could a necromancer build a Turing-compatible computer using reanimated skeletons?" or "what if all-devouring vore-lolis were a thing?".
>>97308135This.Most boards can say this.
>>97303758>"Unfortunately" isn't a questionRhetorical statements are properly punctuated with a question mark in standard English syntax.>Reddit isn't better you stupid fag. Unfortunately? It is.>SJWThis has never been an issue. A buncha whiny little dickheads throw fits that people don't like it when they act like whiny little dickheads.>Discussion on there is all centered around the same fauxbertarian muh consent checklist mindset thereGo there and find out. I post maps and encounter ideas and get constructive feedback regularly. I've also found numerous tables through the /lfg/. Once upon a time, I would get that feedback on 4chan and even used to get tables together through gamefinders. But those days are long gone.
>>97294772It was always so, your eyes were just closed to the truth all along. Enjoy your newfound sanity, you are unshackled.
I think a big different between /tg/ now and /tg/ even as recently as late 2010s is that people used to be more willing to engage with silly ideas in an earnest manner, just because they though it was fun to talk and make shit with other fa/tg/uys. An example of the kind of chain of events that might happens in a thread could be something like:>somebody makes a thread asking if the child of a tiefling or another race would always be a tiefling>somebody answers that it was established in Planescape that with successive generations the fiendish blood thins out but never truly goes away and occasionally manifests again, so ordinary humans might have a tiefling child because great-great-grandpa fucked a succubus once>Somebody else notes that since demons are immortal, you could easily have some random demon going around fucking humans over a long enough period of time that it'd have more blood-descendants than Genghis Khan.>Somebody decides write a greentext about tieflings worshiping a specific demon as their originator and patron deity, which turns out to just be a particularly slutty succubus who'se been fucking mortals and dumping the baby on the father's door long enough to have created a distinct race of demon-blooded people>Somebody else notes that eventually every human would end up with some fiendish blood in their family-tree>Somebody makes a greentext about the good gods realizing that if things keep up eventually all mortals will be half-fiends, so they create sexy angels to seduce people in order to correct the imbalance by inserting angelic blood to the gene poolAnd so on. Nothing particularly useful gets made, but people have fun, somebody might draw some art, and in best/worst case scenario the thread spawns some meme that becomes part of the board culture.(Cont.)
>>97308360>people used to be more willing to engage with silly ideas in an earnest mannerI think you're right. I remember the biggest World of Darkness forum in the 90s had rules for weresnails and werewhales. Every species you could think of. People always engaged through something ridiculous, but ended up building quality products as a result because you started with the dumb and then someone was inspired to do something just a little better, then a little better, then a little better, until you had an entire community contributing in a worthwhile manner.
>>97308360If somebody made a similar thread now, the first response would be some variation of "what system/setting?" (something that nobody ever used to ask, since it was understood that unless otherwise stated any fantasy discussion is going to assume a generic fantasy setting running on DnD, usually 3.5, rules), followed by people complaining to the people posting greentexts that the thing described didn't actually happen in a game they had played, people calling each other gooners for talking about succubi having sex with mortals, and at some point the thread morphs into political shitflinging.I can't say anything of actual value was lost, but people used to understand that you can just have fun talking about /tg/-adjacent things with fellow nerds instead of turning everything into either some kind of purity test about who is or isn't playing what game or a political tirade.
>>97305860>nuh uh!Listen man, you can pretend to be retarded as much as you want, but that doesn't change a single fucking thing about the known spammers, shitposters, and troublemakers that have plagued this site for years because the mods are fucking incompetent.
>>97307983Kill yourself James, you fucking mick thief. I hope your wife Megan gets raped by a whole pack of niggers. And I hope guardbro eats a fucking bullet over his divorce too.
>>97307992>d most of the kinds of random threads that could in the past spawned spontaneous creativity are drowned out by people screeching about "nogames" this or "gooners" that.The old stupid threads (drow vagina full of spiders, for example) were coming from people who at least played something. They had a mutual understanding between bored shitposters and genuinely enthused hobbyists that could turn into a real discussion. The shit we get these days is so unbelievably vapid and stupid that I wonder why the fuck they are even here, assuming they aren't some mod or poorly made chatGPT bot that exists to fake activity so the site can still get ad revenue>why do Druids hate investment brokers?>how do we stop monks from having gay sex all the time?>tell me about thongs in your setting>would your character apologize for shitting really loud?>how many pebbles has your character kicked in your setting?What the fuck is anyone actually supposed to do with that? Why would you even bother responding genuinely or attempt to salvage the thread when all it's going to do is inspire more faggots to show up and make more vague garbage threads, while no actual /tg/-related discussion is able to happen outside of general threads?
>>97308431>something that nobody ever used to ask, since it was understood that unless otherwise stated any fantasy discussion is going to assume a generic fantasy setting running on DnD, usually 3.5, rulesNow that I think of it, I think this is part of an actually pretty important change that's happened at some point."Board culture" might be overused as a term, but I think /tg/ used to have a lot more of unspoken information that people just knew or picked up along the way. Like nobody was asking about what system OP is talking about because if it wasn't specifically stated in the OP it was either clear from the context (like if the OP mentions space marines or orks it's obviously 40k) or was understood to be basically homebrew DnD (generic fantasy setting, usually running on 3.5 or PF rules). The question would have been pointless. And there used to be a lot more board-specific memes or concepts spawned from older threads. Now you do still have memes specific to general and memes from the wider internet, but few if any /tg/-specific memes that would be recognizable to posters outside one specific general thread.And the change on this seems to have happened pretty suddenly, or at least so it seems to me. I remember in early 2020s I started noticing a lot of concepts/memes that previously were recognized by posters and produced a response were getting mostly ignored or met with confusion or hostility. I suspect at the time either a large amount of old users left the board, or there was a large influx of new users unfamiliar with the board culture that had developed over time.
>>97308431>the first response would be some variation of "what system/setting?" (something that nobody ever used to askThey did, just not as frequently, and there was often an answer. Like you said, usually 3.5. What we've got today are people who can't even feign knowledge of the most played systems in the world, and instead bristle and scream whenever someone dares to imply that a conversation should be about playing games, the intention to play games, having played games, or material that would eventually work its way in a game that could be played at some point.If someone can't even name a single fucking system or even just a specific setting where their question would make sense or apply, what the fuck are they doing here? They aren't writing microfiction for /tg/. They aren't being creative or interesting or fun. They aren't even referencing a piece of media which could be considered so aligned with general RPG material that it simply makes sense to discuss it or some aspect of it, like Dungeon Meshi, or even some Isekai slop for instance. We can't even pretend that these people are reading fantasy novels or watching some recently released movie where these sorts of vague questions could arise from. It's just empty bullshit for the sake of bullshit. It's not even like it's just good natured shitposting, because what's the fucking joke? Where's the punchline? >Haha I wasted your time and made a ton of stupid pointless threads!Okay? It's either extremely fucking retarded behavior or it's malicious, and like many have pointed out over the years, making this place so boring and so tedious to use that no one sticks around is apparently a goal for some schizoid faggots. If we can't even demand that threads be tangentially /tg/-related, why the fuck should we still expect /tg/ to spin shit into gold like it used to?
>>97296886It was kind of sobering to realize that it's possible to talk about things online without needing to ignore people arguing about random off-topic political shit and thread celebrities/boogeymen in the metaphorical corner. I still like the "just open the page and start posting with no pretenses" style of using this site, but I fucking hate how stupid, vituperative, and prone to tangents like 60% of the users are.
>>97308612I hardly have encyclopedic knowledge of every thread I've ever read on /tg/, but I certainly don't remember many times in "the old days" when the first post after the OP was just "What setting?" or "What system?". Whereas now it's more or less standard in any post where the setting isn't explicitly referenced in the OP, and sometimes even then (I've seen "what setting?" posts in threads where the OP directly mentions factions from 40k). I don't disagree that there's a lot more completely inane threads that don't really provide anything to even discuss about and might as well be made by a bot, but the constant "what setting" posts seem to me equally inane and bot-like.The way it used to work was that somebody might make a thread about some question like "how does elf aging work? Like if a 100-year old elf is supposed to be equivalent to a 20-year old human does it mean they spend decades in diapers?", and even though he didn't specify the setting people understand that elves living a long time is a common thing in fantasy regardless of setting, and somebody might reply "well, in Forgotten Realms in 3.5 e it was established that elves physically mature at the same rate as humans, but stop aging when fully grown. The adult at 100 years thing is just because they don't view someone as having enough life-experience to qualify as an adult until they've lived for at least a century". Then somebody else points out that in 2nd edition Greyhawk elves really did take 100 years to reach sexual maturity, and somebody brings up how elves age in Warhammer or Elder Scrolls, and at some point the topic probably goes onto some other elf-related tangent.
>>97308657Nah, there's no non-shit alternative as bad as /tg/ is today
>>97308799Things was simpler back then (pre-quest era) because it was 90% 40k or D&D edition wars and 10% people talking about Paranoia, CoC, Exalted or Shadowrun. GURPS and CP2020 basically weren't a thing unlike now
>>97308799I'm no encyclopedic expert either, but I want to guess that people started bot-posting "wat system" after people began realizing that people were making these threads and never responding. It seems like it was a question meant to prod the OP into providing additional context to prove they wanted to actually talk about it, except now it's become a ritual in and of itself to say it even if it's said in the thread title or opening post, and just contributes to decline of /tg/ as a whole
>>97308800Reddit is just better about this. It's sad but true. It's higher quality, at this point. Particularly when looking for games. Gamefinders on /tg/ were just killed dead by the discords. Last time I pulled a /tg/ player I immediately regretted it. It USED to be I could pull an entire table from here. Hell, we used to have a /tg/ mIRC server that went strong for a decade and was awesome.
>>97308837Looking for games is probably another thing but ribbit is like perpetual Nazimod mode and people can't stop using downdoots to say they disagree so you can't have an opinion that doesn't fellate trannies or PbtA
>>97308800The alternatives are really boring, but they at least don't piss me off. Everything sucks, actually.>browse here for like 2 minutes, get really pissed off or annoyed, leave>browse somewhere else for like 2 minutes, see no interesting discussion, leaveWhatever.
>>97308857>people can't stop using downdoots to say they disagree so you can't have an opinionI'm 100% with you. It's why I love 4chan and still come around.It sucks ass that it's now the better place to have high-quality discussions than 4chan is. I'd like that to change. Hoping it does is why I come back.
>>97308799I think the solution to the "what system" problem that some people have is simply to state a fucking system or setting. These vague survey-type threads where they ask about "in your setting" or "your character" genuinely make no fucking sense from the perspective of someone who actually plays games or even thinks about playing games.Your elf example is something that can be answered with examples across different games and different fiction. It's vague, but it's a topic that is pretty important in a lot of fantasy fiction. It's a question that has answers that can be useful to someone.By contrast, let's say someone makes a thread that asks>What is bread like in your setting?Consider what the fucking point of this is? What does OP get out the possible answers people could give? Maybe it's someone who needs some worldbuilding inspiration, right? So why wouldn't they frame it like that? And then a dozen posters with highly specific answers that don't seem couched in any sort of TTRPG playing show up, ignore everyone else in the thread questioning OP's faggotry, and then vanish. How many people would genuinely have in-depth, or highly specific answers about the fucking bread in their setting? How many of them would show up for that one thread and somehow avoid talking in terms of played sessions, settings, published fiction, or literally anything else /tg/ related?1/2
>>973089152/2Now contrast that hypothetical with an imagine old fa/tg/uy from 10 years ago who shows up and asks>I'm running a post-apocalyptic GURPS game where large portions of the world are just pure desert with no plantlife at all. Think Mad Max. There's some resources and a fair number of survivors in different small enclaves around the wastleland, but I'm struggling to figure out what the fuck they eat. How would this many people survive with minimal water, no crops, no livestock, and only a dwindling supply of scavenged canned goods to feed small populations?Even if OP is not actually running a game, that's a real fucking topic. That's something people can sink their teeth into and give genuine answers to, pulling from other post-apoc games, fiction, and their own experiences running similar games.The difference is staggering and it honestly concerns me that people don't understand how different things were before the election tourists, the feds, the redditors, and all of the other bullshit.
>>97294772Go back
Related to the topic, and specifically the other commonly spammed response besides "wat setting", calling people nogames, I'm going to make a confession.I've been on /tg/ since when 3.5/PF was the most commonly discussed game, and have posted in plenty of threads that either implicitly or explicitly are related to those systems, but I have never in my life played a single game of DnD 3.5 or PF. I've mostly played wargames (40k, WHFB, Battletech), and I have played DnD 2e, FFG's 40k RPGs, CoC, and Paranoia, plus some homebrew systems, but never 3.5/PF. Yet nobody ever called me out on being nogames on those threads. Because even though I hadn't actually played the game, I was familiar with the mechanics and lore through cultural osmosis from hanging around on /tg/ and other RPG sites and playing CRPGs that used the same rules system, and I did read the rules when I got inspired to do some homebrew stuff for some /tg/ threads. But I have never actually played the games.My point is, turning whether you've actually played a game, or are currently playing the game right now, into some kind of purity test is dumb, because just because you haven't played the game doesn't mean you aren't familiar with it. Or alternatively, the dreaded nogames might still be lurking in the thread, using the information they've gleaned online to pass themselves off as yesgames.
>>97308946Nogames are people that never touched a traditional games and their posts have no relation to the act of running or playing such games. They get called out because their posts don't apply to games.Regardless of how much or at all played 3.5/PF, if you make an accurate statement of the system, its mechanics and rules, about playing characters in that system or running games in it, then it's an accurate statement and properly /tg/-related.Short version: it doesn't matter if someone actually played or not. If their posts have no relation to actual games, then they get called out. Ultimately, nobody knows, only the actual post have any value.
>>97308946>never 3.5/PFYou're not missing much 3.xpf sucks. It's just too much work to make it work. Besides, everything cool about D&D is in the 2e setting boxes and supplements, anyway.>some kind of purity test is dumbYes and no. Theoretical problems are different from real ones. Dogs in the Vineyard is a great example. In theory, when you read it, disadvantages always give you a larger selection of dice for your pool so disadvantages are a good thing. In pracitce? That's not how it works out. Or Amber Diceless. In theory any contest between two characters is completely unnecessary because stats determine who wins. In practice this is a non-issue because the whole point of the contest is to manipulate the situation to serve the things that you're actually good at. These aren't problems when you sit down and play the game. But if all you've done is read the game, they seem insurmountable. I could never get past the problem w/ Dogs in the Vineyard. Until I played and it just never worked out that way."Nogames" as a pejorative is just shitheads being shitheads. But playing the game or not does matter for having a quality conversation.
>>97308946By your own admission though... You do play games and you do understand games. The threads getting questioned are so transparently devoid of even a basic understanding of what it's like to play ANY system. This isn't like someone who has only played FATE and misunderstands how death saves in D&D 5e work. We're talking about people who don't even seem to know what people do when they sit around a table and play elf games together. Questions so obtuse and pointless that they don't serve a purpose to anyone who runs or plays any system.This isn't about purity or about establishing who is a REAL GAMER or not, as much as it is about spam and lack of moderation.
>>972947722015if you want to look back on the time where /tg/ was the pinnacle of what you want not an uninhabitable wasteland full of ghouls, freaks, and raiders, behold the records of the golden age.https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page>>97294790there is also this. there was good reasons to separate /qst/, it was taking up like half the board. under similar circumstances /vp/ and /mlp/ were made, and they and their respective origin boards both thrive. there is a world where mitosis resulted in two healthy boards. And /qst/ got some nice features in the split even, painter, formatting, higher character and bump limit, user IDs so quest-runner couldn't forget to tripfag.But ultimately I think it hurt them both instead.
>>97309019>it was taking up like half the boardthe peak concurrent quest threads up at any time was 12
Once they took /games/ or whatever the text board was out back I knew it was only downhill from there.
>>97309043You gonna back that information up in any way?
>>97309054it's been backed up many times when the board was first being forced down our throats
>>97309060That sounds like you heard someone else say it and now you're regurgitating it as fact without proof.
>>97309043And, in a post-catalog world, that could be fine. But, back in the days of principally flipping through the pages of the board, those twelve threads would be being bumped more regularly than other threads and so would crowd them out disproportionately.
>>97309069the catalog has been around for years before /qst/
>>97308857>>97308880Same. 4chan is a hellhole, but it's a free speech hellhole. An unpopular opinion can stand its ground if it is factually correct.Funniest thing to me is that reddit still steals from us even as dead as this place is. Because we're just better at uncovering truth. No downdoots, no shadowbans, sure you may have to sift through flaming garbage to find it because there's no algo and updoots to spoonfeed you, but after all the shit flinging the better argument wins.I wonder if it feels like internet oldschool dungeon crawling to them. Enter ruined catacombs full of monsters, any second they might call you a double-nigger tranny and then it'd be all over dead on the spot because their poor little heart couldn't take it, return to safe civilization with a pocket full of precious, irreplaceable wonders to make yourself rich with karma.
>>9730904312 out of... ?Because it wasn't 150 threads like it is now.Also, definitely more than 12. Maybe only 12 major name brand quests at one time, but total quests including ones that didn't get traction that I'd guess more like 30. Which is still admittedly less than half, but is a lot.
>>97309136>Also, definitely more than 12.nope, exactly 12, no more, no lessand that was years before /qst/, by then quests have died down in popularity considerably compared to the medium's peak so the number of threads up at any given time was 2-3
I hear why /qst/ died is a lot of people moved to stuff like fiction.live or started messing with chatbot sites like chub.ai.
>>97309150exactly 400. no more no less.again, proof other than trust me bro, or our claims here are on equal footing.
>>97309194/qst/ was dead since inception
>>97309100>after all the shit flinging the better argument winsNot...really, no. But it doesn't actually matter. Regardless of which argument "wins," the fact that they're both present and accorded the same visibility is huge. And getting to have the argument at all, rather than being hidden because your opinion is unpopular, makes a world of difference.Truth and inspiration aren't found in consensus and uniformity. They aren't a question of winning or silencing other perspectives. They emerge most readily in argument and conflict, with both sides presenting their ideas, views, and evidence. You might walk away from a debate without agreeing with either side, but having learned something valuable from what both of them tabled. Hell, I've had it happen before that I present an idea and two other anons start arguing over it vociferously. There's useful feedback to be gleaned from that, both what people dislike and what they think merits defending.That's why I come here. Not for the shit, but for the flinging.
>>97308431>If somebody made a similar thread now, the first response would be some variation of "what system/setting?" (something that nobody ever used to ask, since it was understood that unless otherwise stated any fantasy discussion is going to assume a generic fantasy setting running on DnD, usually 3.5, rules),I admire your naivete if you think this originates from legitimate lack of common understanding, but I am all but certain that 9 times out of 10 it is just a deliberate bad faith question used to derail the thread. If no answer is provided, the thread is derailed with "no games" shit-flinging. If an answer is provided, you can expect a brief related excerpt from a relevant book, dismissing the thread as a banal question to be answered like a human "let me Google that for you" instead of a starting prompt for discussion.
>>97309214you sound like a redditor yourself. if it's so bad here, why don't you skedaddle back?
>>97308612What do you think you're actually going to accomplish by your tedious ritualpost? Do you think there's some threshold where posting "traditional games?" in every thread that doesn't specify a system will make people change their behavior or do you intend to just keep doing it until you die?
>>97308799>I certainly don't remember many times in "the old days" when the first post after the OP was just "What setting?" or "What system?"Then your memory is quite poor. It's been around for a very long time, and it started in the mid-00's as a protest against the ubiquity of DnD 3.5, because loads of people asked questions without naming a system or setting, just assuming everyone would get that they meant 3.5.
>>97308612>making this place so boring and so tedious to use that no one sticks around is apparently a goal for some schizoid faggots.that was a published goal for leftist think tanks actually. People will be mad about 2016 and the perception of /pol/'s role in it forever. It observably broke people that are posting in this thread, even
>>97309310What do you think it says about you that you react like this to people wanting on-topic discussion on /tg/ about /tg/ subjects?
>>97309268The "what system" shit doesn't derail anything, but if the OP cannot answer at all and the only thing we get instead is faggots like you kicking and screaming, what integrity does the original no system, vague, vapid, pointless thread have at all?
>>97309625You're not answering my question. Do you think posting the same thing in every thread, which often *are* on topic because they're related to worldbuilding and worldbuilding is /tg/ no matter how much you pretend otherwise, is going to actually get people to do what you want at some point?
>>97309645Just calling it worldbuilding doesn't make it on-topic. Especially when no worldbuilding is being done.
>>97309613The /pol/arization of 4chan really did kill it, yes. That's the reason it's now shameful to be associated w/ 4chan in polite company. It is the problem. You arer correct.
>>97309277Exactly what part of>having arguments is more valuable than silencing people you disagree withevokes reddit in your mind?
>>97309655You're still avoiding the question. Do you think posting the same thing in every thread you don't like will at some point get people to stop making them you do do you intend to just keep doing it until you die?
>>97309679Here's the funny thing, as I dodge yet again. I have genuinely never once posted that. You seem to think there's a single anon doing it, spamming threads and ruining /tg/. You are obsessed and every single time I've seen you get confronted on it, you do this song and dance where you pretend like a single post, two words even, is a heinous injustice that destroys threads.Explain yourself. I dare you to try and make a genuine argument for why off-topic spam is okay, but asking people to substantiate their posts by naming literally any system is unacceptable.
>>97309645>do you guys do xis not world building. its a pointless prompt everyone is tired of seeing.
>>97309656Nope, the association with Anonymous le ebin hackers has always made 4chan the ick. You can subversively cope about it however you like but it won't make it the truth.
>>97309656It was more the manifestos being posted by glowies and the hundreds of articles about how internet nazis and Andrew Tate are radicalizing young men into incel terrorists. But yes, /pol/ was the attack vector on that whole narrative.
>>97309767>Nope, the association with Anonymous le ebin hackers has always made 4chan the ickNah, that made it cool. The association with the alt-right made it pathetic.
>>97309842what's it like living in 2019?
>>97309867It was ok. Are you only 6 years old? Anon I don't think you should be here.
Which forums are you looking at?I find RPGnet smarmy and pseudo-intellectual in the same way Reddit is. I don't really like OSR reactionary weirdos who still haven't gotten over GamerGate and The Last Jedi either, to be clear. Facebook seems to have decent communities around games if you don't mind dealing with has-been Gen Xers and corny Millenniboomers.
>>97309905I can't remember the last time I saw someone mention Gamergate that wasn't a leftoid
>>97309924You mean you're stuck in an echo-chamber of people desperate to forget about their embarrassing failures? We knew that, anon.
>>97309905>picWhy would you do this?If you were going to, why would you include it in the photograph you submit to confirm delivery?I have so many questions.
>>97309996People that still talk about Gamergate treat it as a direct through-line of radicalization that led to the election of Trump (not actually that radical but that's a discussion for another day), so you probably should have thought about this one-liner a bit more.Sarkeesian and Quinn managing to grift people like you in the wake of it is actually small potatoes compared to what the people still mad about Gamergate think it resulted in.
>>97310080>No one but leftoids ever talks about it!>Lemme present to you my manifesto on the topicThe voices seem to have echoed your talking points back to you no problem, anon.
>>97309905RPGnet is just reddit but in traditional formThen there's theRPGsite but Pundit is an ouroboros of self-fellatio and the site is even worse than reddit, it's like North Korea where you get banned for disagreeing with the Great Leader
>>97310168Damn two sentences is a manifesto now? Internet fame here I come!
>>97310168https://www.salon.com/2018/04/22/how-the-u-s-became-troll-nation-from-gamergate-to-the-rise-of-trump/https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/23/us/gamergate-harassment-reddit-twitter-cechttps://www.vox.com/2016/12/8/13891436/gamergate-trump-post-facts-burnie-burns-rooster-teeth-recode-podcasthttps://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/01/gamergate-alt-right-hate-trumpMy internal monologue has some pretty wide reach it would seem :^)
>>97310244>People that still talk about Gamergate>stillOnly one of those articles is from the last six years.
>>97310298Retreating to semantic nitpicking already? That's disappointing. Can you find one counterpoint from the last year (like I did)?
>>97294772>>realise that they’re actually interested in talking mechanics and designHere you get chuds with an entirely cartoonish, warped view of history and overestimation of their IQ based on free testing because they don't work... in other spaces you get >people who like wargaming but feel the need to apologise for it >people who want "more androgynous bodies and POC" on a sprue of 17th century skirmishers (I wish I was making this up).Just as idiots here look at WW2 and the American Civil War and think "we wuz robbed! I wanna rematch" idiots "there" are also weak, conniving, socially climbing, grasping and materialistic.When someone brings up the "offensive Pygmy models" and I point out that in the DRC today keeping pygmy servants is viewed as very based and trad, or that 150,000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht or that no, a Virago was not a Roman Enby, Mary Beard - I get excluded by a whole new garden variety of moron. I just play solo and don't care. I didn't cause the atomisationMost men in 2026 are wads, dude. When you see it you can't unsee it. I just hang with my family and 2-3 friends who don't give a sit about toy soldiers or rpgs.
>>97310080Gamergate was the first big /pol/ event that shat up the whole website, the Tea Party and Obongo shit mostly happened before /pol/
>>97308308Yep you're definitely the kind of person who helped fuck up tabletop RPGs with your ostrich mindset. That's okay! You probably support it anyway.>go there and find outI have, it fucking sucks LOL
>>97310080Honestly looking at xwitter it's hard to deny that throughline you're talking about (but that's a good thing)
>>97310382based
>>97310244I'm not sure what you thought your point was by linking a buncha centrist newsites, when my comment was to a post saying "sh-sh-shut up only leftoids talk about it!"But I agree with you that other people do, too. That was my point, too.
>>97310477>centrist newsitesGo back to Discord, you're drunk.
>>97309656It's always been shameful to associate with 4chan in polite company, but the reason used to because people though 4chan was all trolls and hackers and child porn, rather than any specific political view. You had pundits calling 4chan radical leftist or radical rightwing website depending on which side of the aisle they were in, and 4chan had both people posting memes about gassing jews and people trolling religious fundamentalists.However, you went outside of /b/ and people rarely brought up politics, and why would they? The whole point of 4chan was anonymity, so who you were in real life didn't really matter. When you posted on /tg/ you had no information about the other anons in the thread beyond their opinion on elves or whatever the topic was. And people generally preferred to keep it that way, because you came to /tg/ to talk about roleplaying and wargames and things related to them, not real-world politics. If somebody did try to inject real-world politics in a thread about elves, most people would consider it an attempt at trolling and not engage. Saying back then you could have civil discussion isn't exactly correct since anons have always been prone to calling each other niggerfaggots over slightest disagreements, but you could at least have on-topic discussion and treat the edition-war flaming and the like as part of the board culture.Tbh, I think what changed was two things happening at about the same time. Media started increasingly referring 4chan as a neo-nazi website at around the time being a nazi became cool again, flooding the place with people who specifically wanted to be part of the neo-nazi club and injected their political opinions on everything to show how cool they were, and social media poisoning discourse on the internet by getting people to lock themselves in echo-chamber groups and algorithms only showing them increasingly radical articles that match their own political views.
>>97310726(Continued)That has led to people on social media, and the internet as a whole, increasingly adopting a culture where you political views are seen as your main defining trait, and you have to performatively announce those views while denouncing opposing views in order to gain clout (likes/upvotes/whatever) with people of "your" group. So now, instead of not bringing up their political views when talking about elves since it's not relevant, you have people who even when anonymous must loudly announce what team they're on and try to make all discussion revolve around how awesome their team is and how everything bad is the fault of the other team.
>>97310425Orcs actually represents the evils of industrialism.
>>97310392The list of shit that was fucking up 4chan goes all the way back to the days of rage comics and "the hacker known as 4chan" gradually get worse and worse with Chanology, mass influxes of literal faggoty redditors thanks to Homestuck and MLP, made worse by The Fappening, hitting critical mass with GG, and then going supernova with the 2016 election. On and on.
>>97298488>>97304591>>97303916>>97310726>/tg/ is bad because [insert schizo here]>/tg/ is bad because [insert political side (you) dislike here]The real reason is that everyone us fucking bitter for some reason.Everyone in this board acts like they are absolutely angry about everything, obvious jokes are met with vitriol, questions are met with hostility, and no one is willing to engage in conversation with others.It's like everyone here hates /tg/ and traditional games but have nowhere else to go so they just stew here, angry and impotent.
>>97311890Years and years of poor moderation have made people bitter. Giving retards the benefit of the doubt and treating all shitpost threads as potentially legitimate discussions has just left this board with shitty gossip and a few dedicated who get pissy when you point out that they don't seem to understand or even care about any real aspect of /tg/ hobbies that isn't aimlessly making stupid observations about fantasy cliches, most of which don't even exist in any fantasy fiction, setting, or game.
>>97311890Nah, it's the /pol/arization.
>>97311890>>97312547>>97312919I don't know what you guys are talking about, my generals are doing fine.
>>97294772Where are those other places? Even if you can't put a direct link, give us a name to search for.
>>97294792>reddit is just a better place.Only if you agree with the hivemind's narrative.Good luck saying anything without getting perm-banned by a loser with absolutely zero accountability or appeal.Go to the pathfinder boards there are say that you actually don't think casters are too powerful if the players are not cheating with their spell preparation and slots per day. Go on. I dare you. Phrase it just like that and see how long you last before your account is banned.
>>97313384Some generals more than others. I’ve noticed an increase in shitposting lately. It is summer in Australia.
>>97310080>QuinnNot my proudest wank, but damnit I did my duty. I just wish Sarkeesian had some nudes released, then I could have done my duty by her too.
>>97314412>Only if you agree with the hivemind's narrative.That's the exact same problem that 4chan has, except the narrative here is hatred, misogyny and teenage boy anger. It used to be a joke, on 4chan. It's not, any more. Now it's just shitty people.
>>97315197You can post this here. If you posted this on reddit, there’s a 50% chance you would get banned or at least have your post deleted.
>>97315240That's just nonsense, anon.1. Same thing happens here. It entirely depends on reports and mods. Literally the exact same situation as reddit.2. No one cares when people delete/ban hateful misogynists' comments. It's just not a concern.
>>97315240Reddit fucking sucks because anything even slightly controversial is just [post removed] branching into [post removed] and [post removed] with a mod post at the top saying "I can't believe you guys would do a hecking roicism!!"
>>97315251Yes it does. I'm on 4chan because it used to be a better place. It's not, any more.
>>97294772I used to browse giant in the playground for 3.5e stuff a lot and yeah 4chan doesn't really seem to have much actual discussion about anything in comparison to actual places
>>97294772I'm old enough to remember /tg/ before it became just a long list of general threads. It was glorious.
>>97315324Back when we had actual creatives here
>>97311890nigger
Could all of you idiots go back to fucking twitter? I stopped coming to this shit hole for like eight months because of your retardation, decide to poke my head in today and you scumbags are still doing this shit? Grow up.
being relevant to the game three times a day is totally worse than being relevant zero times a day right
>>97315197men are better than women.
So, now that there's no arguments to be made for why /tg/ should be allowed to stay a spam-ridden shithole, the faggots have resorted to whining about politics and culture war shit, huh?
>>97315370Nobody is actually creative anymore. Creativity fully died in 2019 and was honestly dying by 2016.
I win.
>>97314412I got permabanned from Reddit for posting that all pedophiles should be hanged in r/law.
>>97315324>>97315370>>97316680https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/60527989
>>97318381your point? you hate the dildo quest are trying to prove creativity was dead in 2018 already? Or you think that that's SOVL and we should go back to that?
>>973151974chan does have a toxic hivemind culture.But users here can't downvote to hide your comment entirely. Nor are the mods known for abuse of power, as hilarious as that sounds. By comparison, 4chan is still a platform far more supportive of free speech. It isn't perfect. But it's at least better in that regard.
>>97318552>newfags thinking 2018 was a long time ago
>>97308431The worst part is regardless of whether or not those greentexts happened or not they totally could have been. They were made by people just like you playing games, taking the feel of playing with your bros and distilling it into the text. Everyone knew it didn't happen, but it didn't matter - as long as no one pushed to hard the illusion would remain. Also fuck the CAPTCHA it's dogshit.
>>97318732It's kind of like wrestling, or the existence of Santa Claus. Whether or not the actual sessions happened that exact way is impossible to prove and rather worthless to fixate on for that fact, cause we've all dealt with asshole GMs. That Guys, and generally rotten situations enough to enjoy it. But everyone treats it like reddit in trying to be the kid trying to scream to the world that Santa Claus isn't real, or that wrestling is fake, in order to feel clever and special. It's like yeah, no shit, taking it at face value's a bad idea, now shut the fuck up about it.It also has made me reluctant to tell my own petty stories for the mild fear that I'm going to have some smarmy underage cunt screaming that my story didn't happen. And most of the shit that's happened to me is otherwise too boring to tell. It really does suck the fun out of telling stories, especially for those times you aren't exaggerating.
>>97294792>The redditor hates /pol/
>>97318616Eight years have passed, anon
>>97318732No, they most certainly could not have.
>>97308431No. Discussions don't assume anything. If you aren't talking about a specific game that you participated in, don't post. DO NOT REPLY TO ME.
>>97308799Why do you need to ask tg how long elves live? If you're running the game, you can look it up in the rules. If it's a game you wrote yourself, either it's in the rules you wrote, or you can make it up. If you're a player, you can ask the GM. Never mind that it will never actually matter to playing the game. So why would you ever need to make a thread about it? Answer sincerely, directly, and in good faith without lying about what I said and without changing the subject. If you fail to do so, consequences will be instantaneous and apocalyptic.
>>97309019Is this fucking cringe garbage supposed to be the best of the site? how utterly dire LOL
>>97319434>consequences will be instantaneous and apocalyptic.You'll repeat your ritual post in another spam thread?
>>97309268If your question can be answered by reading the fucking rulebook for the game you're playing, there was no reason to make the thread in the first place. Next time, consider not posting unless you have something of value to contribute to the board.
>>97309645Worldbuilding is not a traditional game. Traditional games are traditional games. This will never stop being true no matter how much you pretend otherwise.
>>97309679Why don't you want to discuss traditional games on the board for discussing traditional games? Why are you here?
>>97309872Yep you got fucking owned LOL
>>97298488This thread has only convinced me that this is maybe the easiest and most simple way to clean up /tg/. I'd also add the stupid "[blank] should [blank]" threads to the delete then ban on repeat incidents list.
>>97298488Agree. I wouldn't be able to be a janitor cuz I'd be deleting so much garbage that gets posted here. I would add discussing lewd outside of the lewd containment general as well.
>>97319401kek
>>97298045autism is stronger in /tg/things has to be in a certain way, it not: REEEEE
>>97298488>"what are /tg/'s thoughts on [system/product]"I've never started that sort of thread, but what's wrong with starting that a thread like that? If I wanted to know 4chan's opinions on a game I had never played what is there to elaborate upon? My post couldn't be much more than>What does /tg/ think about the new Care Bears rpg? I never had one as a kid but my daughter does, and liked the movie so is it worth me picking up the boxed set before my lgs sells its last copy even though she's never played rpgs before?Would that be enough elaboration? What sort of elaboration would you be after when I couldn't provide an opinion? Sometimes I ask questions just because I'm curious too, is I'm curious enough elaboration?Sorry for lowering the tone of this place by suggesting I should know about something before offering an opinion on it.
