So this was the good old days of MtG "before it was woke"?
you've made like 10 threads in the past hour.do you actually want to discuss anything, or are you just gunna keep shitting out topics that barely get 20 posts before dying off.
As has been said thousands of times at this point. Women existing isnt the complaint. Black people existing isnt the complaint.Changing things to fit checkboxes is a complaint. Losing integrity and quality of writing is a complaint. Pandering to a fad market is the complaint.
>>97295290>>97295292No shit MTG was always """woke""". The African set at the very start gives it away.This is always the same shit. People get radicalized into being /pol/-tier brainlets and then they have to pretend that media fell at the exact same time that they started being retarded faggots about this kind of shit.
>>97295308You can post this explanation as much as you like, op won't ever reply or stop posting his shit because he's probably a xitter jeet farming screencaps for xitter drama. Just herb and hide anon.
>>97295290>>97295292>Why isn't the hypersocial and peer-pressure inclined sex into my virgin neet fringe loser hobby?>Because there's boob art in it.>Removing the boob art will bring women into my fringe antisocial hobby in droves, I know it!>Women will cram themselves into tables next to unshaven, unbathed stare-mode-locked lard-laden weirdos if there's no boob art.The amount of nerds who follow this train of logic across multiple hobbies is staggering. Just practice good hygene, learn social skills and lose weight ffs. Your wife/girlfriend will pretend to take an interest in your hobbies no matter what they are.
>>97295308So you’re not only a bigot but a cowardly bigot who hides behind sophistry. Cool
>>97295309No one ever had a problem with Mirage you disingeuous fuck. A set that takes place on literal fantasy Africa being filled with blacks in the art is normal and expected. This is in no way similar or comparable to WotC changing Benalians black (when they have been portrayed as exclusively white for the entire 5 years before that), the LotR set, the blackening of Innistrad etc. which are entirely different matters.
>>97295535You wilfully failing to understand the argument isn't sophistry, it's just you being a bitch.
>>97295542>entire 5 years before that*25
>>97295542>changing Benalians black (when they have been portrayed as exclusively white for the entire 5 years before that)There were three new Benalish creatures printed between Invasion (2000) and Dominaria (2018)--two in Time Spiral (one of whom has a full-face helmet) and one in M10. Given that core sets draw from random points in Magic's multiverse and history, I'm going to say that we therefore don't have a clear window into the ethnic makeup of Benalia between the Phyrexian Invasion and the events of DOM.In-universe, nearly three centuries passed between the end of the invasion in 4206 AR (as represented in Apocalypse) and the time rifts crisis in ~4500 AR (as represented in Time Spiral). As of the end of the invasion, pretty much every nation was devastated and needed to rebuild, with the entire western chunk of Jamuraa having been phased out of existence. The idea that you wouldn't see any of the Zhalfirin diaspora settle in Benalia is absurd. Especially given that Gerard, the hero of Benalia, had been raised in Jamuraa for much of his childhood.
>>97295522A lot of these people are also inclined to believe that it is boob art and its ilk that is actively causing men to be misogynist, and that promoting more "respectful" kind of content regarding women in fiction would in turn then make the nerds into better men. The whole "portayal = endorsement" mindset and the idea of fiction having direct societal impact are really prevalent among progressive types.
>>97295290>>97295292>>97295522Meanwhile anime, which has prominent sexulization of women and teenage girls being an inherent and immutable trait of it's identity, is one of the most popular hobbies of all time in the 2020s among men and women alike.
>>97295290>Don't make women sexy in art because it chases women awayChasing a target audience that doesn't like your core product is just retarded, but mother fuckers keep doing it and wondering why their shit starts bleeding cash after (maybe) a bump in the beginning.
>>97295301Twitter screencap threads should be a bannable and offense across all boards.
>>97295290I guess the main question is did WotC succeed in getting this "Wider Audience" from changing the art?If the answer is no, then it's pointless virtue signalling
>>97295727That basically WAS in the beginning, though, and the biggest time that the game has bled cash was Time Spiral block.
If MtG isn't woke, give back Teysa's milk cannons.
>>97295290Pre-woke Magic was, like, Alara and back. If this guy was a director during that period he did a shit job at stamping out le male gaze because there were fat tittied bitches for years after that point.
>>97295781Would vastly improve every board, but we aren't in a timeline where things gets fixed
>>97295290Book clubs should be more inclusive to illiterate men who only like to grill, and if you disagree you're a weak, ableist Nazi in a state of victimhood, and you need help.
>>97295796That's not what virtue signaling means. Whether you "succeed" or not has nothing to do with it, just whether you're doing the thing earnestly or not. To virtue signal is to do things to "signal" that you have "virtues" that you do not actually have, or that you don't really support. It's being a faker, pretending things about your own beliefs for clout.If they mean it genuinely, which they seem to do given that there is pretty well thought out reasoning provided for context, then it's not virtue signaling.
>This is the card that bluehairs, transexuals and Communists warned you about and they want to replace with ugly gay characters
>>97296299>given that there is pretty well thought out reasoningAnd there you go, giving them more than they deserve. You give them far too much credit, they don't understand the things they support at all, they just know that it is Good to support them.pic is yet another HORRIBLE, DREADFUL and SEXIST MISOGYNISTIC IMPERIALIST HETERONORMATIVE etc etc etc CARD
>>97296191If they want to learn how to read and enjoy books then they should be allowed in.
>>97296307>No artwork that shows a scantily clad woman in a subservient or weak positionElvish Ranger does not match this description.
>>97296056He was the first art director. And the rule wasn’t “no fat-titted bitches”, it was “no scantily clad women in positions of weakness or submission”. If you go back and check, most (not all, but most) of the hot chicks not wearing very much are typically in dominant, powerful positions and poses.
>>97296321Whether you agree with the reasoning is different than whether it's well set up. The example doesn't just state a rule, but the provided text gives plenty of explanation, and even caveats. It's not just a thought that comes out of nowhere "because good," but one that is very aware of its own context.
>>97295290The absolute state of Magic
>>97296329>>97296334How about this one?
>>97296334>>97295290>>97295292A lot of stuff like this reeks of being dishonest or just stating modern sensibilities to apply to the past so they look better to other people. You get a lot of creatives who try to lean into some new social issue or whatever artistic reading of their work that makes them seem deep just so they can get internet good boy points. You see so many of these guys' past statements or actions contradict current statements. Also whenever I see stuff like this I just assume all of these dudes have huge skeletons in their closet or have troll's remorse.
>>97296328The people who have claimed to be excluded from games don't need to want to learn how to play them, they want companies to change for them and focus more on their "narrative" aspects.
>>97296573I agree with your assessment. It seems to be a back and forth between "I was always woke" and "If you think I am woke, you are a weak man." Very strange, and to paraphrase, I do not think he is fooling anyone but himself.
>>97296561The guy notes that card as an exception to the rule
>>97295542>No one ever had a problem with Mirage you disingeuous fuck.Fuck you zoomer, I remember being 14 when Mirage came out and retards making snide racist remarks about it in the LGS.The difference is those fuckers either left or got told to fuck off.
>>97296573Buddy, you don't have to make a whole conspiracy out of their motivations. It would be really easy to tell. Just check with any other artist who worked under their direction, about whether this rule existed or not.
>>97295290Already answered pretty factually:>Was this "Woke?" If you think so you are probably an idiot.Sounds like he's already responded to you, OP. And he's right.>>97295308Except you're demonstrating that it is. Your comlaint is that it's not pandering to you.
>>97296646It stops being a conspiracy with how many random weirdos this performative get outed as a sex pest or for something else really shady.
>>97296561Explicitly mentioned as a rare exception.
>>97296667>"I don't know what a conspiracy is."
>>97296667The majority of weirdos this performative haven’t been outed as anything. There are a number who have, but they’re a drop in the bucket compared to the total.
>>97296573These older nercy creatives just turning whiny and obnoxious at older age due to regretting being so "toxic" when they were younger isn't really even that uncommon, and they can overdo their repentance rituals. Happened to the David Jaffe (God of War creator) and Patric Weekes (a Bioware writer) for example.
Countdown before his sexual scandal hits
>>97296776Wouldn't matter. He'd still be right. That's the nice thing about logical argumentation.
>>97296756That's kind of what I mean by troll's remorse. Not necessarily they were some online troll, but they do a 180 and try to reinterpret past work or disavow past work. You get people who, for whatever reason, throw their old work or even friends under the bus for some bit of internet bullshit. Patrick really hates dark fantasy now. Shane hensley pissed off a bunch of old fans and threw his own friends under the bus to talk about how shameful his alt-history or dark fantasy stuff was.
>>97296329Okay, so can we go back to having scantily-clad women in non-weak positions? People were fine with having attractive women without them needing to be chained to the floor. A card game should have art that people enjoy.
>>97296813You absolutely can. Stop whining that artists don't wanna draw things to titilate the lowest-common-denominator among teenage boys. Draw what you wanna draw. The market will sort you out.
>>97295694>animefagging this hardIt's popular with children and autists.
Women have colonized gaming spaces, and the internalized misandry in this thread should be apparent to all. Men deserve a third space where they can actually have fun and make friends. Women will never be friends with men.
>>97296307man Terese has some good taste in chicks
>>97296993Thanks for telling everyone you are retarded and underage nogames.
>>97297100She is a lesbian and her then girlfriend and now wife was her model for a lot of her work in the 90s.
>>97296986It's not 2009 anymore, grandpa.
>>97296875>The market will sort you out.Yes it is, how are comics doing compared to anime?
>>97296430>The absolute state of MagicIt's funny that people are still pissed off at Black Aragorn when Magic has descended into deeper and less defendable depths since then. If you wanted to mock the company you should be talking about how it's become the cloaca of IPs. Black Aragorn is bad? Sure, but I bet you could catch a lot more nodding heads with, "why the fuck can I run The Office alongside Optimus Prime."
>>97297535Well, no tranime movie has ever even approached a billion dollar box office, so I'd say comics are still firmly winning. What's the next goalpost, /a/sister?
>>97297535No idea. I'm not into either. But the people selling things are selling them to the people who buy things, as always.
>>97296664>Your comlaint is that it's not pandering to you.I never made "My complaint"I pointed out examples
>>97295535>Im not a bigot>OMG stop being a bigotThe cognitive dissonance amazes me. So which is it, idiocy or malice?
>>97296638>snide racist remarksCool, that doesn't mean they had a problem with the set or call it woke.
>>97296664>I never made "My complaint"You stated:>Changing things to fit checkboxes is a complaint. Losing integrity and quality of writing is a complaint. Pandering to a fad market is the complaint.Clearly you believe that to be true. Ergo, clearly, you are stating your complaint. Which reflects you--not reality.
>>97298288>muh box officeWell Demon Slayer movies are close, newest one only just came out.Ne Zha 2 made 2 Billion
>>97298367>Clarifies a view point>"OMG you totes believe that"No retard, it's about fair representation of argument.
>>97298382No retard. It's about false claims that you clearly believe to be true.
>>97298386which part is false?
>>97298638See >>97295308. Note the factual claims they contain and imply. Those.
>>97295290>wokeA word invented by the African-American Community. He thinks they're idiots.Based
>>97296776It already hit, and in response he sued the woman who accused her of breaking the NDA, not for defamation.
>>97298371>Ne Zha 2 made 2 BillionMostly in China, it did very little in the West
>>97300199>Mostly in ChinaSo was the MCUWhat's your point?
>>97296638Come off it, a 'snide racist remark' is just a little bit of humour, it doesn't indicate that these people had actual objections to the product or even that they didn't buy it
>>97295290A product made 'for everyone' is just actual slop. Wizards were and are lucky that the main demographic of their consumer base has always eagerly consumed the disdainful slop they put out.
>>97295290>>97295292why did they do this?
>>97295308You complain the same if its new or changed.
>>97296430Best selling set in history, btw.
>>97300939Prove it
>>973009421 million Germans and all that
>>97295290Inclusion itself isn't woke, it's the effort to be inclusive that leads many down that path. Especially when trying to appeal to a new demographic doesn't actually attract as many from that demographic as hoped, so they increase their efforts to the point things become off-putting to the original audience
>>97297556lol no. go to a real lgs and bemoan it and see who cares.
>>97295308This. Also from his other posts this isnt coming from a purely ideological standpoint but also attempting to make a high quality, even luxury, brand and it worked. MTG is at its best when its neither woke nor fan service.
>>97295308/thread
>>97298288>>97300199
>>97300944I don't need to, we both know it already by reading threads every day.
Being attractive enough to motivate a man to risk death to rescue you is a female power fantasy.In a painting of a man protecting a woman from a sorcerer, the woman is not the subservient one.
>>97295522>Just practice good hygene, learn social skills and lose weight ffsThen you do this and discover all the women in your hobby hate you for being male and not gay.
>>97295522Why should someone have to be appealing to women in order to play a card game? It's not a speed-dating night or a matchmaking service.
>>97296638>snide racist remarksYou mean some lighthearted jokes, pretty sure you're either an american mutt with a chip on your shoulder or plain larping (or both) because there's no way anyone in 1996 was so touchy about something this uninfluential.t. A fellow 41 years old boomer
>>97301793Men exist to serve women.
>>97301793You should always try to look presentable and be welcoming to be around. Not even just in your hobby spaces, but at any time you're mingling socially.>but I don't want to fuck these peopleWhether or not you're going to fuck someone should pretty much never be one of your main concerns.
>>97302179There isn't anything I should do fuck off nigger
>>97301420/thread.
>>97295309This. I came to grips with the fact 9/10 or more pieces of media were always made by leftoids to express leftoid viewpoints. That's why I just don't partake in it. About the only way to avoid overt or covert leftist preaching in a product is to make your own. You can't expect something made by a company rooted in coastal California founded by counterculture hippies to not have a chip on its shoulder.
Lol, roasties mad
>>97303420Said the underage retard no one will play with.
>>97303474Said the furious roastie LOL
>>97303931Yes, everyone finds you too retarded to play tabletop games.
>>97303351Why would anyone in this hobby bother to make anything for retards who cry about "leftoids" when those kinds of people are A: too stupid to play tabletop games and B: if they lived in the 80s and 90s (when games like D&D was closest to being right wing) would be among the retards who called the hobby satanic?
>>97303974reply if mad roastie :)
No amount of calling people racist is going to make a game better
>>97295290>>97295292>blah blah wokescold yadaa yadda wokescold
>>97296799This happened to the entire Somethingawful board.
