Why do spellcasters and gun users never get along?
they have their moments
>>97305568Because wizards invented guns.
>>97305568[citation needed]
>>97305568Genre conventions regarding historical references, most spellcasters operate in the awkward pastiche of High Medieval and early Renaissance of "standard fantasy" while the popular image of "early firearms" only goes back to the flintlocks which began depreciating many mainstays of the Wizard's reference periods like heavy cavalry and articulated plate with the customary approach to "adventurers" who use them being the even later "Wild West(ern)" genre conventions.So in general, the two are treated as similarly "unusual" for esoteric but utterly tangential to eachother knowledge, with similarly tangential "outsider" status to mainstream society.But it's not a hard rule, there are very much settings where the gun-users are also spellcasters in keeping with their origins in alchemy that is generally classified as Wizard Shit.
>>97305568In what setting?
>>97305568How many fucking threads are you going to make tonight, you subhuman?
>>97306104you are an autistic schizophrenic
>>97306106And you're a huge retarded faggot, Puckee. Do you think you're fooling anyone?
>>97306176if this is a puckee post explain why the image file name is saved from the reddit embed itself. Would puckee not post an image with the filename from the original source and not right click save from his own reddit post?
>>97305911No, you're wrong. In plenty of settings they get along. Stop bullshitting and stop posting without saging in a puckee thread.
>>97306272Stop telling people what to do you pathetic faggot.
>>97306272>No, you're wrong. In plenty of settings they get along....Please finish reading the post, the last sentence directly states this.>Stop bullshitting and stop posting without saging in a puckee thread.Don't care, the question caught my interest and so I gave my opinion of why the trend exists.
>>97306258Puckee knows people are tracking him by filenames now. It's come up in literally every single Puckee thread for months.
>>97306378That's genuine schizo shit
>>97305568we meta-puckee-posting now?
>>97306406the guy's too stupid to notice OP namefagged as puckee in an obvious troll attempt. And if he did notice he took the bait anyways because he's mindbroken enough to think he's still talking to his boogeyman
>>97306481Let's be fucking real here. This thread sucks. It's pointless bullshit and it's reposting Puckee art. Puckee or not, fuck this thread and every single vague nogames bullshit thread like it. Your overly defensive faggotry only cements the fact that the only people who make these kinds of threads are obnoxious cunts who squeal and cry when they're called out for their retarded faggotry.
>>97306492Let's be even fucking realer. This whole board sucks nowadayas.
>>97306492>here's how me sperging out and directly addressing someone that didn't post this thread isn't actually embarrassingwhatever dude
>>97306492Of course the thread sucks, most of it is you retards' kneejerk reaction to the feeling of insufficient effort or The Wrong Person posting.
>>97306551The fact that someone made a flimsy attempt at impersonating an infamous faggot and then immediately started lashing out when people went>look it's that infamous faggotSays entirely too much about the insecure, infamous faggot and how transparently assblasted he is that every thread he makes is now met with loud, repeated screams for him to fuck off and stop shitting up the board.He couldn't even attempt to fake his way through pretending this is a legitimate, on-topic, board appropriate, real thread. It's not even remotely defensible, so he instead resorts to crying and insisting everyone else is a schizo/autist/sperg.
>>97306586You actually think there's only one person laughing at you taking obvious bait, don't you? Incredible.
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>>97306481OP here, I am puckee and would like to stop being confused with the shitposter making twitter screenshot political bait threads.
>>97306595>I was merely pretending to be retardedSo you made a shitpost thread and thought you were clever by getting angry that people called it a shitpost thread?
>>97305568Have you tried not playing DnD? In Sword World gun users ARE spellcasters
>>97306739you are a pathetic faggot lol
>>97306745>gun users ARE spellcastersI cast Backblast Clir!
BANG.The party's paladin instantly falls dead. A massive hole has been blown through his enchanted breastplate.Hundreds of feet away, a lone warrior stands. He wields a weapon of flint, steel, and fire. A pistol.A terrible truth dawns on your party: the age of the knights and magic is dead, and the world is now in the age of guns and technology. Flintlocks are being mass produced, making all armor and magic useless. Bullets rip through armor from hundreds of feet away. As science advances, the world loses all faith and wonder, making all magic drain from the world.How does your party survive in this new age of science and rationality, where the greatest of wizards has been reduced to a mundane old coot?
>>97306876by knowing that a musket only does 1d12 piercing damage
i blame those fags that tried so fucking hard to shill lowerdecks as organic or even star trek here. enjoy your fag soup retards.
>>97306876Stale pasta is stale.
>>97305568What?
>>97305568Never heard of gun mages anon ?
>>97305568>Why do people who can ignite their surroundings with a gesture not get along with people who carry large quantities of gunpowder?It is a mystery.
>>97305568Damn! This looks like shit!
>>97305568Why do you make something up, decide it's true and shit up the board with a thread about it?
>>97306876Protection from Normal Missles.
>>97305568Because at the most basic level, a wizard is the "I can do stuff at long range" guy. That's his deal, to not have to be standing next to someone to exert their power. A non-wizard, at the most basic level, is a knight, who stabs people that are right in front of him, he's the up close guy. And the vast majority of people think a gun is a "I kill you in one shot" weapon reflexively, so "gun" means "do stuff at long range," which intrudes on the wizard's turf. >but that's not always true, in XYZ game...I'm speaking in the most general, basic terms possible. I'm not being specific to any game or system, because OP wasn't either.
>>97311517Do not waste your time pretending that OP's question is even remotely in consideration for something that anything in TTRPGs or fantasy fiction has ever contained. Even in generality. Even as a possible thing. Even as something hinted at in some obscure half-formed thought in the extended lore of some trashy generic novel no one ever read.
>>97311677The Harpers, who are blessed by Mystra the goddess of magic herself, actively sabotage and prevent the spread of guns. Four of their leaders are her daughters also.
>>97311677>that anything in TTRPGs or fantasy fiction has ever containedPerhaps not, but I've seen this subject on this board several hundred times over the years, and elsewhere, even in the Long Long Ago, in the before time, when WotC had a forum on their website.
>>97311965That's an excuse for why a late medieval-ish setting doesn't have guns, not an example of spellcasters and "gun users" not getting along. >>97312049You've seen discussions about why D&D doesn't have guns, even though it does and no one reads their fucking DMG.
>>97312179>even though it does and no one reads their fucking DMGWhich always came up, but the issue came from people's assumption that a gun is a one shot kill that can't be dodged and goes through fantasy style armor. And it's not really about whether or not that's true, it's that what the arguments revolved around.
>>97312468The problem is not really about "fantasy style armor". It's fantasy, make it do whatever you want - you'll find examples of people oneshotting plate armor with arrows AND arrows being almost cosmetic. The problem is aeshtetics. Actually, not even that: the problem is people not getting that the problem is aesthetics. Some people feel that guns don't belong to dnd (probably because Tolkien riffed on the hallf-millennium old trope of "demonic gunpowder"), some feel that dnd is mostly renaissance/early modern and so why the fuck not. Others will feel that guns should oneshot people because western movies, some woulld say that they should work like some vidyas in which they're useful only by the tens. But this is not about history or realism in the slightest, and people should just realize that.
>>97305568Fuck you!
>>97306876See this is why nobody likes gun fags. Wizard fags will still play by the rule book but gun fags think they can pull a Raiders of the Lost Ark in every situation
>>97312667Well, the problem is people making assumptions about guns and levels of realism, which isn't helped by some people actually wanting guns to be an undodgeable instant kill weapon, and arguing that they should be as such.
>>97312996>which isn't helped by some people actually wanting guns to be an undodgeable instant kill weaponI don't think I've ever encountered anyone who wants that or insists that's how it should be done. Even gun-heavy games where the lethality is very high, like CoC and Delta Green, give a small chance to survive barrages of gunfire.
>>97313216>I don't think I've ever encountered anyone who wants thatHere you go >>97306876
>>97307769>My magical barrier is impentrable! Your fire magic is useless!>Too bad it can't stop 9mm
>>97313314Being stale pasta, it's probably a troll.
>>97313314https://desuarchive.org/_/search/image/mNSAzF_wlHB-rHZncoIuAA/
>>97305568sexual tension
>>97305932glad she's finally getting porn
>>97313445Pasta always has a source, someone can post something ironically, like the infamous "katanas in d20," but at some point, someone actually meant it.
>>97306481NtAIt's a loosing game.Ignore the threads and the trolls leave for a while, but the OG puckster starts to create more and more threads. Tell him to fuck off and the trolls jump on.As soon as a certain type of autists get's involved you're basically fucked. Mods could do something, but they're Reddit brained themselves.
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>>97312805I know they only had 27 episodes to work with, but they should have gone full tilt and showed us more of what each of the different empires were like and how the magic stuff filtered between all of them or at least more applications of "mana"Instead, we just get space china stronk
>>97305568Because most fantasy systems are stuck in some weird archaic setting where guns don't exist or are pure flintlocks, and casters have some means of casting for free.My system is modern fantasy, doesn't have infinite damage cantrips, and mandates casters carry a weapon. Firearms happen to be one of the better options for range if you aren't doing stealth (bows/crossbows are better for that since they're silent and you can enchant them for greater range/accuracy/damage/other effects and normally guns can't be enchanted) so it's best to have them - even if you suffer a massive damage penalty with weapons as a fullcaster.
I hope this thread stands as a reminder to the world how absolutely incompetent and useless the moderators and janitors of this board are.And I'll be shocked if this post is allowed to stay, since puckee and his trolls are practically protected for fuck knows what reason.
>>97319846Wasn't the deal that mana dried up and now magic is useless? The thing the antagonists did was different. Much weaker than magic, but theirs doesn't require space be filled to the brim with free mana to consume. That's also why caster shells are so rare.
>>97320092What's a puckee? Google says it's a urinal cake, so this name has no real presence online, did people here just make it up?
>>97320237Resident spammer. Look through the 4chan archives. The fact the system keeps flagging my posts as spam every time I try to type in the full name really says something.
>>97305568Traditional games?
>>97320338He has a buddy on the mod team.
