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Why no "No Country For Old Men" game
>>97311028This is actually a decent question. A game based around it would actually be a ton of fun.
>Thirst Provoking ImageYes, I like girls. Real or drawn, western or eastern art styles. Miku Good.>>97311017True and real, but only if you're playing a ruleset with fun combat rules.>>97311028>>97311035I don't watch a lot of movies, is it actually good?
>>97311035Some ideas for it that Im coming up for as I type this post:>Standard GM/Players setup, GM plays villains, NPCs, etc;>Optimal group size 2-4 players>Brutal combat- Easy to die, wounds last, status effects are important and lingering>Wound system as opposed to HP>Based moreso on tactics and context rather than turn-based decisions, stats extremely important>Most campaigns center around noir-esque stories, likely set in a semi-anachronistic 1980s/90s around the Southern US borderI think it has a lot of potential to be fun and atmospheric
>>97311052>I don't watch a lot of movies, is it actually good?Its one of the best movies in the last 30 years. The book was written to be turned into a movie too, so its incredibly accurate, if you like Cormac McCarthy.
>>97311017>"How about someone just fuckin' shoot him?"
>>97311052It is infact one of the best movies of the 21st century. Anton Chigurh is up there with Hannibal Lecter, Patrick Bateman, etc for most memorable socio/psychopath in cinema.
>>97311068Let's add to the setting? Not just Southern US border, but Rural America in general?
>>97311297As a TTRPG, you could obviously do whatever you wanted with it. I think a desert focus would keep the original tone better thoughie.
>>97311052>I don't watch a lot of movies, is it actually good?It is overrated as fuck.I went in with high expectations, but it's laughably dumb. It's written like a bad comic book, and works on some weird in-universe logic where the more you over-think something, the stronger it is.Action, acting, cinematography? All good, but the writing is so fucking dumb and the attempt to make Bowcut seem like such a great villain never worked for me, even with Woody practically begging the audience to treat his "the only reason my character exists is to tell you how evil bowl cut is" speech seriously.I have since developed a very low opinion of Cormac, along with the perepetual 13-year olds who keep trying to fluff up his flat props as "the most evil villains of all time" when they don't even qualify as characters, let alone villains.
>>97311342Take it to /tv/ fagAnyways a "No Country For Old Men"-roleplaying game would work great for one-offs or short campaigns, perhaps revolving around & incorporating a narrative-gimmick in each similar to the bag of money in the movie. A player or players could always be the Anton Chigurh-character with their own OC. would be fun
>>97311481How would you stop rampant meta-gaming if one of the PCs is a killer actively hunting the others? I could see some sort of scenario where they don't know one of them is trying to fuck the others over, but again, any sort of secret communication with the GM is bound to be noticed.
Define "murderhoboing" in your own words.You won't.
>>97311481>>97311577I think the killer following a flowchart / dice table would work best. nobody, including the GM, should know their next move
>>97311577They cup their ears.idk
>>97311705Actually, him having to play out actions dictated by something like a deck of cards, like the monsters in kingdom death, could give unpredictability and enforce the theme of him being insane.
>>97311705This sounds good.
>>97311342I never thought I'd actually see a post where an anon articulated this without sounding like some dumb contrarian
>>97311802Its literally a movie about a dude trying to get a bag of money back, there is absolutely nothing complicated about it.
>>97311802He didn't sound like a raving lunatic, yes, but he didn't really articulate beyond "writing bad". I'd like to see his argument.
>>97311342Fuck your opinion reddit spacing faggot it's kino and Cormac is good and (You) should kys
>>97311815It's a film where there's ample room to do something clever, and it never really does.I kept waiting for something that didn't rely on the opposing side being stupid in order for it to be smart, and the entire movie just coasted on "look how smart this guy is by how dumb everyone else is." I was hoping for at least one "smart" play, and instead I got fed a lot of stuff that was pretty dumb but done confidently. You can get pretty far doing dumb things confidently. The movie's gotten what, ten oscars?Hide the bag in the air duct, book the room behind it, move the bag into the other room? Such an elaborate, convoluted plan that even required him to fashion specific hook props in order for him to implement it, and all just to accomplish... nothing if either Bowlcut or the Mexican Mafia decided to perform an even mild interrogation of the motel proprietor or otherwise performed some modest investigation, when both of those sides have proven to have near-supernatural capability when it comes to information gathering?We've got a guy who know's he's being hunted, who has ample time to not just prepare but purchase tools, gear, and weapons, and is an ex-vietnam vet, and even just the most basic booby traps are less important than a convoluted nonsense maneuver that wouldn't solve any of his problems.But, let's just agree it's okay for everyone to be a little dumb. Searching bags, just shooting people, that ruins movies. It's not a movie about people after all, it's about "metaphors".
>>97312520I get that Bowlcut is supposed to be beyond human, being Chaos and pure Evil because he kills indiscriminately, but the Mexican Mafia is also not exactly church boys, and they even prove to come out as the "victors" in the end in every way that counts (not that we're supposed to be keeping score of course), making Bowlcut really just some sort of pyschopath loser who's grand philosophy was "I'm so randumb lol XD!" except all the humor in his body is contained in his hair.Mr. Sheriff, representing being useless in the face of bad haircuts and doing a pitch-perfect job at it, just drops some wistful nonsense lines like some real gritty cowboy right out of Hollywood boulevard, and all I could think is whether Tommy even remembered that he had embodied Bowlcut's metaphor only a few years before but for some reason had been denied an Oscar nomination.https://youtu.be/QedVjF5vpQE?si=nYJgZtU7Hk4f0g4cPoor Tommy.
>>97311589Define what you mean by "in your own words" first.You won't.
>>97312539 UPBOAT UPBOAT! HAVE MY UPBOAT SIR!
>>97311857>muh reddit spacingPic related >>97311342This. It's not a terrible movie, but overrated as hell.
>>97312643It is a solid movie, Anon. It is not overrated.
>>97312520A lot of McCarthy's stories can be summarized as>idiot or group of idiots wanders around aimlessly, edgy evil psycho character kills someone or some people, ends with a complete gibberish monologueand the takeaway is supposed to be that the story made no sense, because it had no point, because that's the point, because life has no point, wubba lubba dub dub, buy my books and pay me for film rights.
>>97311342>I have since developed a very low opinion of Cormac, along with the perepetual 13-year olds who keep trying to fluff up his flat props as "the most evil villains of all time" when they don't even qualify as characters, let alone villains.His characters remind me a lot of old creepypasta villains. Cartoony edgelords who are inexplicably unkillable and unstoppable, exist to be evil, but rather than get laughed at they're held up by redditors as le epicest bad guy evar ex dee. There's fundamentally no difference between Jeff the Killer and Judge Holden, but reddit will say one of them is juvenile and stupid and the other is profound and amazing.
>>97312520I didn't think the cowboy with the money was supposed to be smartin fact I think he was being kinda dumbit's Chigurth who's the dangerous guy, and IMO he sells it wellmostly by being good at mcgyvering murder from everyday items, and approaching fights in a smart wayI don't remember him succeeding by plot convenience, but I might be wrong
>>97311017>movie is set in Texas>not a single person just pulls out a gun and splatters this shitter>gas station owner does not keep a shotgun under the counter>even the cops are basically running around nogunz getting merced by a guy with a slaughterhouse tool that requires you to be in melee range to use itCormac McCarthy and the Coen brothers have never been to Texas
>>97312776It is a solid movie, but I don't think you're aware of the praise it's gotten if you don't consider it overrated. Even in this thread alone it's been called "one of the best movies in the last 30 years/21st century", and it has got more oscars than a sesame street dumpster. For a "solid movie", I'd call that a fairly high rate of being over.
>>97311342Only based post in this edgelord wanker thread.
>>97312982>1 cop dies>it's not by the boltgun>>97312989Where's your movie?
>>97313292Where's yours?
>>97313334oh hey, it's that guy from transformersI really liked you as Unicron the evil planet
>>97312995no one cares about your shitty bait post stop samefagging
>>97311342Yeah, I didn't hate it, but after all the praise it got it was a bit of a letdown seeing it for myself. It felt like it was missing something but I'm not even sure what. I appreciate they were trying to give some nuance to Chigurh's portrayal at the end, with how the wife refuses to go along with his creepy mind games and then he gets his arm crippled in a completely random car accident. I guess the message is supposed to be that even people who seem really badass are still mortal but it just felt kind of awkward, you know?
>>97313411Stop posting bait.It's like someone has to tell you how to enjoy a movie, you can't do it on your own.
>>97312520WEEEE OOOH WEEEE OOOH WEEEE OOOH
>>97312982>movie is set in the 1980s>concealed carry permits are practically nonexistent>no one is expecting to get shot or have to defend themselves, including some cops>tacticool shit wont take off for another 30 years>villain is only mildly intimidating to civillians when not armed with a gun, or is impersonating a police officer>golly gee willikers old folks are non the wiser and get chigurh'd
>>97312520>Moss's training/experience likely consisted of throwing grenades/shooting in an environment where the only people trying to kill you are an entirely different race>Has probably had no training/experience for 20ish years by the time the movie takes place>Chigurh's training/experience consists of operating in both urban and rural environments among mostly non-combatants, utilizing scarce resources, and facing enemies who are better organized and smarter than him>Has been successfully killing people for likely 20ish years by the time the movie starts>Moss has basically no idea who is hunting him, where he will show up, or how he will act>Chigurh knows exactly who hes hunting, usually has the drop on him, and is hunting someone who is not only dumber but less skilled, and less supplied than he is>Someone who never actually got a decent look at him, and whos only visual indicator is that hes Mexican and dresses like the grim reaperIts a wonder Moss even made it past the first act.
To end my 3 post samefagging, the only unrealistic part of No Country is the awesome sound Chigurhs suppressor makes
>>97313962it's a science fiction movie because of that suppressor, anon.
>>97313991Yeah its kind of robust. The cattle gun is also kind of unrealistic, they dont really work like that
>>97313950Moss is a hunter with some pretty decent skill in tracking, and is introduced making a fairly long-ranged shot.He was not some green beret living-weapon like Rambo, but he did two tours and came back with enough expertise and self assurance to calmly walk into the remnants of a cartel firefight and even to decide to return. When arming himself later, he's confident enough to know not just exactly what weapon he wants but to modify the purchased shotgun for close-quarters/concealment, so it's safe to assume that he's had a fair amount of experience (and range of experience).He has all the pieces of an intelligent person who should be able to make smart decisions and put together clues, and should have no reason to care about whether the person or people tracking him are regular thugs, time-displaced page boys from the 13th century, or both. He should have eliminated his tracks and whatever could have been used to track him, and avoided places and situations where information could be obtained by people. Or, he could have baited a trap and sprung it. Instead, his whole plan is just "Hope they have the methods to track me only to my first room but not my second."Both Bowlcut and the Mexicans have borderline supernatural abilities in getting information in this universe, and that's fine. But Moss is clearly anticipating being found and found quickly, meaning he is not underestimating the danger, just failing to do anything to properly address it. The film built him up as an unexpected rival to this "ultimate hit man", with Moss even being able to win in a gunfight, and generally not lose to such a "genius", only succumbing to luck/Mexicans in the end. The problem is neither character was really all that smart, despite us being fed clues (and if that failed, a small sermon) that they should be.
>>97314165Anon, the movie literally starts with Moss fucking up his shot while hunting.
>>97313991that's almost all movie with suppressors tbf
>>97311028You can't make a whole system around the movie really, just incorporate it as a sideplot for any modern era system
>>97314240No, YOU are being unimaginative, really.
>>97314179He's taking a pretty challenging shot, and though he doesn't hit it for a quick kill still gets what's likely a kill.
>>97314250It's not an imaginative movie
>>97312552>no uPredicted.
Speaking of murder hoboing, I remember a youtuber who made a series of videos summarizing The Water Margin, and he commented that a lot of the characters acted like murder-hobos. His RPG channel was called "Never stop thinking," this was on his alt called "cool history bros."One thing I would like to point out, is that when you think of it, a party of murder-hobos would essentially be a game of Grand Theft Dungeons and Dragons, which actually sounds pretty fun.
>>97314318To be fair, the term Murderhoboing is a well defined term that the only reason to ask for a definition is that you're either a newfag who hasn't lurked enough, or a gameless troll mad that other people play games.
>>97314396If it's "well defined", why do so many people use it differently?
>>97311028No body read/watched it.>>97311052>is it actually good?The book is much better and very fast paced. The movie is nice but it completely missed the suspense and paranoia of being hunted from the books. In the movie, you have a sense of a slow chess between two smart guys when in the books you have a guy trying to run, to survive the best way he can from the other guy's tuesday. And the book is not even about those two. It's about a local small town sheriff who can't keep up.
The book and the movie are practically the same, and only on this fat retarded website would you ever even find someone saying either are badCormac McCarthy is the greatest recently deceased American author
>>97314256It's telling a traditional Western story with a twist."Creativity" is the sauce; execution is the main dish.You can start off with a perfectly generic concept and polish it to a winner on pure execution.Conversely, you can begin with the most novel idea in the world, and it will still suck if your execution flops.
>>97314240>>97314250>>97314256>>97314819Fuck off to /tv/, nobody cares about your dissertations of garbage
>>97314888If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?Also>checked
>>97311028>dying to a coin flipfucking BULLSHIT
>>97311017Yes.
>>97311017Maybe. It's definitely boring though. Solving or bypassing every problem you come across with murder, pillaging and destruction isn't interesting.
>>97311028>>97311068I actually really love this idea
>>97314165I think the movie and book are dogshit, but I always assumed Bowlcut was either ex-KGB or Spetsnaz. That does at least explain some things.
>>97311028Not many great modern day settings in my opinion. Wanted to run a game based on Hotline Miami a few years ago but the best I could find was GURPS and modifying the storyteller system which is abysmal for combat
>>97315493How would you handle the extreme high lethality?
>>97315469Link to three.
>>97316141I haven't got a fucking clue. It's why I want a good and grounded modern day system.
>>97311190Very few people really had a chance to shoot Anton, he usually caught them with their pants down, proverbially. Llewelyn did take the advice and nearly got him though.
>>97317263You can try with the god old cyberpunk 2020 and remove the cyber stuff, one shot from small calibre can already cripple you.
>>97311068You somewhat described Savage Worlds with some of the optional rules to make it grittier
>>97317514Omfg No Country For Old Cyberpunks
>>97316824Look up "murderhobo" in the /tg/ archive, wretch.
>>97314997Anon, that's literally the basis of most games. DOOM is Very popular for a Reason.
>>97311052>is it actually good?It's one of the best Tarantino movies not made by Tarantino - it does his signature slow-paced scenes building tension, seemingly pointless dialogues where every word matters once you've overanalyzed it enough, punctuated by short segments of intense violence. There's even the signature mcguffin that drives the plot forward.
>>97317263Maybe just use Twilight 2000? It fits the time period. More military focused, but that can be altered to fit the setting
>>97320717Please don't ever try to talk about movies again.Jesus christ your post is less than a hundred words and it has over a hundred mistakes.
yup; it checks out
>>97322318Seconding this post, I came in to disagree with you for being a dick but goddamn that anon is so confidently retarded I can't even be a contrarian about it.
>>97311028>roll tails>kill yourselfmuch gameolay
>>97323121Instead of a coin toss I would like the players to duel IRL
>>97320717I would take No Country For Old Men over any Tarantino film. They are objectively slop in comparison. Django was bretty gud but I enjoyed NCFOM more.
>>97323487I like his early stuff. Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, but once he went off on that whole Kill Bill phase, I tuned out.
>>97313913Well, you're definitely not a burger and absolutely not a Texan if you think people didn't have guns during those times lol
>actually being a murderhobo is morally good and you are literally evil if you are a nice persontraditional games for this feel?
>>97320643Doom is a niche shooter for boomers and redditors, should have said Fortnite
>>97323712Hunter the Vigil
